Re: OT: My email address change.
Let's get it registered (along with PLUG non-profit status, so all volunteering and donations to the User's Group can be properly supported by companies (and individuals) wanting to write off tax charitable items), and provide PLUG listed professionals to provide services? Just create another list where companies can submit their requests with PLUG users needing the work? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: How much do you want for it? It is a prity cool name? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that, Joe. It's not that important to me. Someone else replied off list with an offer to forward email addresses for me. I'm fine with that situation and will proceed to do that with them. Alan On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Perhaps you should offer it for sale, Alan. It's a really good domain name. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- IvedaXpress.com Systems Engineer Office: (480)307-8712 ATT: (503)754-4452 Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
use web page as screen saver?
As I mentioned in the recent low-cost hardware thread, I'm planning a 'framed monitor' project to display photos in my living room. I think I have the hardware side nearly figured out, so now I'm pondering software. Getting software to display a series of images seems like no problem. I find lots of options there. But I'd also like to sometimes display a web page, so (for instance) I can see the weather report from 7-8 am while I'm getting breakfast. I think I can probably do this with xscreensaver hacks, but I haven't come across anything specific yet. Anyone know of any tutorials for displaying a web page as screensaver content? (Or some other way to get a web page displayed full-screen, without any window chrome at all.) thanks, alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: use web page as screen saver?
From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Getting software to display a series of images seems like no problem. I find lots of options there. But I'd also like to sometimes display a web page, so (for instance) I can see the weather report from 7-8 am while I'm getting breakfast. I think I can probably do this with xscreensaver hacks, but I haven't come across anything specific yet. Anyone know of any tutorials for displaying a web page as screensaver content? (Or some other way to get a web page displayed full-screen, without any window chrome at all.) firefox http://example.org/;, when the firefox process has started, use xmacroplay to simulate an F11 keypress for kiosk mode. There's probably a better way. This is just what I thought of off the top of my head. You could also use wmctrl to hide the window and keep the process running, which would be better than stopping/restarting a heavyweight process if you want web pages displayed at various times. ISTR an xscreensaver module that grabbed JPEGs from random places on the Net and displayed them, but that's just slightly less complex than rendering HTML+CSS. If the pages you need to display aren't really complex, they might look OK in dillo or the GUI version of links, but you'd have to test that out first. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: use web page as screen saver?
I'm planning a 'framed monitor' project to display photos in my living room. Great idea! Please post the solution when you have it all worked out. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: use web page as screen saver?
this is exactly what i was looking to suggest. and of course you can use a combination of frames for multiple content. If you get the web-server/client part well done enough there is a good market for this solution (trust me, I have seen solutions go upwards of 10k) On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Matt Graham danceswithcr...@usa.net wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Getting software to display a series of images seems like no problem. I find lots of options there. But I'd also like to sometimes display a web page, so (for instance) I can see the weather report from 7-8 am while I'm getting breakfast. I think I can probably do this with xscreensaver hacks, but I haven't come across anything specific yet. Anyone know of any tutorials for displaying a web page as screensaver content? (Or some other way to get a web page displayed full-screen, without any window chrome at all.) firefox http://example.org/;, when the firefox process has started, use xmacroplay to simulate an F11 keypress for kiosk mode. There's probably a better way. This is just what I thought of off the top of my head. You could also use wmctrl to hide the window and keep the process running, which would be better than stopping/restarting a heavyweight process if you want web pages displayed at various times. ISTR an xscreensaver module that grabbed JPEGs from random places on the Net and displayed them, but that's just slightly less complex than rendering HTML+CSS. If the pages you need to display aren't really complex, they might look OK in dillo or the GUI version of links, but you'd have to test that out first. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: use web page as screen saver?
On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Getting software to display a series of images seems like no problem. I find lots of options there. But I'd also like to sometimes display a web page, so (for instance) I can see the weather report from 7-8 am while I'm getting breakfast. I think I can probably do this with xscreensaver hacks, but I haven't come across anything specific yet. Anyone know of any tutorials for displaying a web page as screensaver content? (Or some other way to get a web page displayed full-screen, without any window chrome at all.) firefox http://example.org/;, when the firefox process has started, use xmacroplay to simulate an F11 keypress for kiosk mode. There's probably a better way. This is just what I thought of off the top of my head. You could also use wmctrl to hide the window and keep the process running, which would be better than stopping/restarting a heavyweight process if you want web pages displayed at various times. ISTR an xscreensaver module that grabbed JPEGs from random places on the Net and displayed them, but that's just slightly less complex than rendering HTML+CSS. If the pages you need to display aren't really complex, they might look OK in dillo or the GUI version of links, but you'd have to test that out first. Those are exactly the kinds of ideas I was hoping for. Just some places to start exploring. The fullscreen-firefox idea seems the most promising, since I can easily create PHP/Ruby/bash/Python/whatever scripts to make it do what I want. That seems preferable to learning the config syntax for xscreensaver or other. I will document how this all goes if/when it actually happens. Gotta get the wife to sign off on the hardware purchase, but since it involves showing her more pictures of the kids, the odds are better than normal. :) alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: My email address change.
This is not a bad idea really. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Let's get it registered (along with PLUG non-profit status, so all volunteering and donations to the User's Group can be properly supported by companies (and individuals) wanting to write off tax charitable items), and provide PLUG listed professionals to provide services? Just create another list where companies can submit their requests with PLUG users needing the work? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: How much do you want for it? It is a prity cool name? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that, Joe. It's not that important to me. Someone else replied off list with an offer to forward email addresses for me. I'm fine with that situation and will proceed to do that with them. Alan On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Perhaps you should offer it for sale, Alan. It's a really good domain name. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- IvedaXpress.com Systems Engineer Office: (480)307-8712 ATT: (503)754-4452 Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: use web page as screen saver?
well i know if you mess with things enough you can get a basic X up and running and have it do nothing but Firefox so the screensaver is irrelevant. and for hardware, depending on how much tinkering you want to do with an enclosure, old laptops might be an idea of where to go. you can probably find them for less than 100, cannibalise the internal parts and work from there. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Getting software to display a series of images seems like no problem. I find lots of options there. But I'd also like to sometimes display a web page, so (for instance) I can see the weather report from 7-8 am while I'm getting breakfast. I think I can probably do this with xscreensaver hacks, but I haven't come across anything specific yet. Anyone know of any tutorials for displaying a web page as screensaver content? (Or some other way to get a web page displayed full-screen, without any window chrome at all.) firefox http://example.org/;, when the firefox process has started, use xmacroplay to simulate an F11 keypress for kiosk mode. There's probably a better way. This is just what I thought of off the top of my head. You could also use wmctrl to hide the window and keep the process running, which would be better than stopping/restarting a heavyweight process if you want web pages displayed at various times. ISTR an xscreensaver module that grabbed JPEGs from random places on the Net and displayed them, but that's just slightly less complex than rendering HTML+CSS. If the pages you need to display aren't really complex, they might look OK in dillo or the GUI version of links, but you'd have to test that out first. Those are exactly the kinds of ideas I was hoping for. Just some places to start exploring. The fullscreen-firefox idea seems the most promising, since I can easily create PHP/Ruby/bash/Python/whatever scripts to make it do what I want. That seems preferable to learning the config syntax for xscreensaver or other. I will document how this all goes if/when it actually happens. Gotta get the wife to sign off on the hardware purchase, but since it involves showing her more pictures of the kids, the odds are better than normal. :) alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: My email address change.
Alan - Your move. How long do you have before it expires? Before then you should consider giving it to one of the many parties (Plug would probably be the most democratic) or renewing it for your self. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: This is not a bad idea really. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Let's get it registered (along with PLUG non-profit status, so all volunteering and donations to the User's Group can be properly supported by companies (and individuals) wanting to write off tax charitable items), and provide PLUG listed professionals to provide services? Just create another list where companies can submit their requests with PLUG users needing the work? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: How much do you want for it? It is a prity cool name? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that, Joe. It's not that important to me. Someone else replied off list with an offer to forward email addresses for me. I'm fine with that situation and will proceed to do that with them. Alan On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Perhaps you should offer it for sale, Alan. It's a really good domain name. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- IvedaXpress.com Systems Engineer Office: (480)307-8712 ATT: (503)754-4452 Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Migrating from MySQL 5.0.41 to 5.1.44
On Jul 27, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Cope wrote: Hello all, I am upgrading my MySQL test server from 5.0.41 to 5.1.44. Is there any reason I can't just dump all databases in phpmyadmin including mysql and information_schema and import them into the new database? Copying the other databases is easy, I just don't want to have to go and re-grant all the different users to all the different databases. I don't think you can import information_schema. IIRC, it's like the / proc filesystem, created by the system to give you a convenient way to access data. I think you can just let the upgraded server create this data. For the 'mysql' database, new tables columns may have been added in 5.1. There were new things added in 4.0, 4.1 and 5.0, and you don't want to miss those. But you can run a post-upgrade script which will check your 'mysql' database and create any missing priv columns. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-upgrade.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading.html The docs are good. Use 'em! alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Migrating from MySQL 5.0.41 to 5.1.44
It is possible to do this but is is not as easy as you may think it will be. You will have to apply the insert query's from the dump one at a time by hand and see what fails and make corrections. Even then I would just back it all up and run mysql-upgrade. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: On Jul 27, 2010, at 12:46 AM, Eric Cope wrote: Hello all, I am upgrading my MySQL test server from 5.0.41 to 5.1.44. Is there any reason I can't just dump all databases in phpmyadmin including mysql and information_schema and import them into the new database? Copying the other databases is easy, I just don't want to have to go and re-grant all the different users to all the different databases. I don't think you can import information_schema. IIRC, it's like the /proc filesystem, created by the system to give you a convenient way to access data. I think you can just let the upgraded server create this data. For the 'mysql' database, new tables columns may have been added in 5.1. There were new things added in 4.0, 4.1 and 5.0, and you don't want to miss those. But you can run a post-upgrade script which will check your 'mysql' database and create any missing priv columns. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-upgrade.html http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/upgrading.html The docs are good. Use 'em! alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: OT: My email address change.
I think adding a section to the Plug website would be more effective from and SEO perspective. Keith Smith If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14 --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com Subject: Re: OT: My email address change. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 8:24 AM I would like to greedily so - NO LET ME HAVE IT! :) But I think if plug would use it it could be awesome - But let us not let it just expire. Either way you could keep your email address if you wanted. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Let's get it registered (along with PLUG non-profit status, so all volunteering and donations to the User's Group can be properly supported by companies (and individuals) wanting to write off tax charitable items), and provide PLUG listed professionals to provide services? Just create another list where companies can submit their requests with PLUG users needing the work? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal bryan.on...@theonealandassociates.com wrote: How much do you want for it? It is a prity cool name? On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Alan Dayley aday...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that, Joe. It's not that important to me. Someone else replied off list with an offer to forward email addresses for me. I'm fine with that situation and will proceed to do that with them. Alan On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:52 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote: My long held domain consultpros.com is going unregistered at the end of August. Perhaps you should offer it for sale, Alan. It's a really good domain name. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- IvedaXpress.com Systems Engineer Office: (480)307-8712 ATT: (503)754-4452 Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
How much is computer hardware *really* worth? This week, India announced a new $35 tablet PC How low do you think computer prices will eventually go? And how long do you think new PC hardware will sustain $500 and higher price points (due to the built-in M$ tax of $100 to $500 per unit)? Is it not inevitable that the actual/true value of PC hardware and complete computers will continue to shrink ... and radically? Consider the ubiquitous electronic calculator at the now typical full retail price of about $1.00. And now that Linux is taking over an ever greater share of all computer-powered devices ... how much longer do you think antitrust M$ will be able to get away with holding baseball bats over the heads computer manufacturers and retailers? CONSIDER ... a few excerpts from the India announcement: Kapil Sibal, India's Minister for Human Resource Development unveiled a prototype touch-screen tablet PC that has been in development for five years. The initial target price is ... $35 US. This new tablet PC is part of India's push to provide high-quality education to all of its students. It also has a solar power option. Of course, it is a Linux-based computer with web browser, multimedia player, PDF reader, Wi-Fi, video conferencing ability, 2GB RAM, memory card, USB ports, and expected to be available next year. Students from the Indian Institute of Technology co-designed motherboards for it. They say the eventual price could be $20 or even as low as $10. See a photo and read the original article here: - - - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20011536-1.html - - - YES! ... Linux powered computers will rule the computer world ;) It is inevitable. It is just basic economics. $10.00 computers with a $100-500 M$ tax added (and for an inferior, inefficient, bloatware, permanently virus, worm, and spyware infected system) just won't fly. The eventual victory is in sight ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Very sorry for the multiple post
Very very sorry for the multiple post. I don't know how that happened. I only sent it once. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
Yha, I will believe a $35 tablet with a 1GHz proc and 2GB of ram when it is in my hand. Until then it is so much vaperwere. That said - I would buy one :) On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:25 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How much is computer hardware *really* worth? This week, India announced a new $35 tablet PC How low do you think computer prices will eventually go? And how long do you think new PC hardware will sustain $500 and higher price points (due to the built-in M$ tax of $100 to $500 per unit)? Is it not inevitable that the actual/true value of PC hardware and complete computers will continue to shrink ... and radically? Consider the ubiquitous electronic calculator at the now typical full retail price of about $1.00. And now that Linux is taking over an ever greater share of all computer-powered devices ... how much longer do you think antitrust M$ will be able to get away with holding baseball bats over the heads computer manufacturers and retailers? CONSIDER ... a few excerpts from the India announcement: Kapil Sibal, India's Minister for Human Resource Development unveiled a prototype touch-screen tablet PC that has been in development for five years. The initial target price is ... $35 US. This new tablet PC is part of India's push to provide high-quality education to all of its students. It also has a solar power option. Of course, it is a Linux-based computer with web browser, multimedia player, PDF reader, Wi-Fi, video conferencing ability, 2GB RAM, memory card, USB ports, and expected to be available next year. Students from the Indian Institute of Technology co-designed motherboards for it. They say the eventual price could be $20 or even as low as $10. See a photo and read the original article here: - - - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20011536-1.html - - - YES! ... Linux powered computers will rule the computer world ;) It is inevitable. It is just basic economics. $10.00 computers with a $100-500 M$ tax added (and for an inferior, inefficient, bloatware, permanently virus, worm, and spyware infected system) just won't fly. The eventual victory is in sight ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Very sorry for the multiple post
I have not seen any :) But then again I use Google - if two emails are exactly the same they hide the second one. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:27 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: Very very sorry for the multiple post. I don't know how that happened. I only sent it once. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Saw this off Slashdot - 200 Linux machine
j...@actionline.com wrote: Eric wrote (in part): That's odd. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357348,00.asp BL according to this article is that performance is nearly identical, Joe replied (in part): The cited article's information is not a proper comparison. The article is comparing a 2-gig Acer with a 1-gig white-box (not the new Lenovo Q150) whereas the new Lenovo Q150 has 2-gig and significantly greater speed along with significantly better power economy. Eric then wrote: I still don't see where there's any significantly greater speed. The FSB is clocked higher, but that doesn't appear to result in any noticeable performance gain. Am I missing something? The cited article compared (1) a DUAL-core Acer Revo 330 Atom with 2-gig of ram with (2) a whitebox 510 Atom with ONLY 1-gig of ram and (3) an older SINGLE-core Atom 230 Lenovo Q110. But this is just not a fair comparison -- comparing However, the new Lenovo Q150 dual-core Atom 510 with 2-gig of ram was not tested or even mentioned in this article's report. The only way to get a fair comparison would be if all three units were dual-core with 2-gig of ram and compared the Acer 330 with the NEW Lenovo Q150, not the old SINGLE-core unit with an older Atom 230. Even so, the article stated that the Atom D510 processor is surging faster. Haven't received my unit yet, but searching the 'net, I found quite a few reviews where people have purchased this new Lenovo Q150 and report that it is (insert all kinds of adjectives here) fast. That's all I know. I'll report more as soon as I receive my new toy. ;) Granted all that, but I still don't expect that the Q150 would perform significantly better than the Revo 330. I've seen nothing that would indicate a reason why it would. Bottom Line between the two appears to be fan or no fan. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
Sounds great... BUT: Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. I am no fan of M$, make no mistake. However, I have, of late been contemplating moving to Win7. Actually BOUGHT the Win7PRO and have installed it on another boot drive.It is EASY, It is MUCH more compatible with stuff on the shelves. I know, I know, Linux does what they do for free, faster, more secure, Blah blah blah...Bottom line is ease of use, and THAT it isn't, at least for power users yet? We shall see. I personally hope it succeeds. I also personally hope something radical and new replaces it too. :-) On 07/27/2010 09:25 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How much is computer hardware *really* worth? This week, India announced a new $35 tablet PC How low do you think computer prices will eventually go? And how long do you think new PC hardware will sustain $500 and higher price points (due to the built-in M$ tax of $100 to $500 per unit)? Is it not inevitable that the actual/true value of PC hardware and complete computers will continue to shrink ... and radically? Consider the ubiquitous electronic calculator at the now typical full retail price of about $1.00. And now that Linux is taking over an ever greater share of all computer-powered devices ... how much longer do you think antitrust M$ will be able to get away with holding baseball bats over the heads computer manufacturers and retailers? CONSIDER ... a few excerpts from the India announcement: Kapil Sibal, India's Minister for Human Resource Development unveiled a prototype touch-screen tablet PC that has been in development for five years. The initial target price is ... $35 US. This new tablet PC is part of India's push to provide high-quality education to all of its students. It also has a solar power option. Of course, it is a Linux-based computer with web browser, multimedia player, PDF reader, Wi-Fi, video conferencing ability, 2GB RAM, memory card, USB ports, and expected to be available next year. Students from the Indian Institute of Technology co-designed motherboards for it. They say the eventual price could be $20 or even as low as $10. See a photo and read the original article here: - - - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20011536-1.html - - - YES! ... Linux powered computers will rule the computer world ;) It is inevitable. It is just basic economics. $10.00 computers with a $100-500 M$ tax added (and for an inferior, inefficient, bloatware, permanently virus, worm, and spyware infected system) just won't fly. The eventual victory is in sight ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
For me MS is going to be part of the world for a long time, even if the company self destructs next year. And a Large portion of software will work only on MS, if I want to use any of this software I will have a compatible platform. I would love to have the core API's used open sourced and see wine get the funding to work with it. But that's unlikely. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Wayne Davis Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:05 AM To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers. Sounds great... BUT: Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. I am no fan of M$, make no mistake. However, I have, of late been contemplating moving to Win7. Actually BOUGHT the Win7PRO and have installed it on another boot drive.It is EASY, It is MUCH more compatible with stuff on the shelves. I know, I know, Linux does what they do for free, faster, more secure, Blah blah blah...Bottom line is ease of use, and THAT it isn't, at least for power users yet? We shall see. I personally hope it succeeds. I also personally hope something radical and new replaces it too. :-) On 07/27/2010 09:25 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How much is computer hardware *really* worth? This week, India announced a new $35 tablet PC How low do you think computer prices will eventually go? And how long do you think new PC hardware will sustain $500 and higher price points (due to the built-in M$ tax of $100 to $500 per unit)? Is it not inevitable that the actual/true value of PC hardware and complete computers will continue to shrink ... and radically? Consider the ubiquitous electronic calculator at the now typical full retail price of about $1.00. And now that Linux is taking over an ever greater share of all computer-powered devices ... how much longer do you think antitrust M$ will be able to get away with holding baseball bats over the heads computer manufacturers and retailers? CONSIDER ... a few excerpts from the India announcement: Kapil Sibal, India's Minister for Human Resource Development unveiled a prototype touch-screen tablet PC that has been in development for five years. The initial target price is ... $35 US. This new tablet PC is part of India's push to provide high-quality education to all of its students. It also has a solar power option. Of course, it is a Linux-based computer with web browser, multimedia player, PDF reader, Wi-Fi, video conferencing ability, 2GB RAM, memory card, USB ports, and expected to be available next year. Students from the Indian Institute of Technology co-designed motherboards for it. They say the eventual price could be $20 or even as low as $10. See a photo and read the original article here: - - - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20011536-1.html - - - YES! ... Linux powered computers will rule the computer world ;) It is inevitable. It is just basic economics. $10.00 computers with a $100-500 M$ tax added (and for an inferior, inefficient, bloatware, permanently virus, worm, and spyware infected system) just won't fly. The eventual victory is in sight ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Wayne Davis Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. I used to often have the whole not ready for primetime and for the power user discussion with an old co-worker and the conclusion we both came to is that Linux will never be accepted until it *IS* Windows. In the last couple of incarnations of my choice of distribution, every piece of random hardware I've plugged in has been plug and play. Printers, cards, scanners, webcams, joysticks, and all sorts of USB devices. After an easy install, it was instantly online. It all just works. For the software, there was indeed a learning curve, but that happened with my Commodore Pet, TRS-80 Model I and every computer since then. My now 70 year old parents who are completely computer illiterate use it daily for email, browsing, skype and webcam. For the Windows Power User, it's probably a good idea to stick with Windows, but for almost everyone else, I think Linux is ready for 90% of modern computer users. Daniel -- | --- | Daniel P. Stasinski | http://www.saidsimple.com | dan...@avenues.org | http://www.disabilities-r-us.com | XMMP: m...@avenues.org | http://www.avenues.org | Google Talk: mooo | http://www.scriptkitties.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
$35? Is that wholesale or retail? On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Daniel Stasinski dan...@avenues.orgwrote: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Wayne Davis Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. I used to often have the whole not ready for primetime and for the power user discussion with an old co-worker and the conclusion we both came to is that Linux will never be accepted until it *IS* Windows. In the last couple of incarnations of my choice of distribution, every piece of random hardware I've plugged in has been plug and play. Printers, cards, scanners, webcams, joysticks, and all sorts of USB devices. After an easy install, it was instantly online. It all just works. For the software, there was indeed a learning curve, but that happened with my Commodore Pet, TRS-80 Model I and every computer since then. My now 70 year old parents who are completely computer illiterate use it daily for email, browsing, skype and webcam. For the Windows Power User, it's probably a good idea to stick with Windows, but for almost everyone else, I think Linux is ready for 90% of modern computer users. Daniel -- | --- | Daniel P. Stasinski | http://www.saidsimple.com | dan...@avenues.org | http://www.disabilities-r-us.com | XMMP: m...@avenues.org | http://www.avenues.org | Google Talk: mooo| http://www.scriptkitties.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RE: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stephen Partington wrote: For me MS is going to be part of the world for a long time, even if the company self destructs next year. And a Large portion of software will work only on MS, if I want to use any of this software I will have a compatible platform. I am truly interested. Putting to one side use cases of recreational computing [dedicated game platforms, whether Wii, X-Box, etc have protocol format blockers as well as as other 'proprietary' stickiness to try to lock a person to a given platform, and frankly, better 'pedal to the metal' performance], and putting aside applications which need to manipulate a intentionally properietary data API (DRM'd, patent wall, or public key protected content), what applications are you using that 'require' a non FOSS platorm? Stated differently: What do you need to do to earn a living, that FOSS cannot do? I would love to have the core API's used open sourced and see wine get the funding to work with it. But that's unlikely. Patent protected codecs, and per seat licensed DRM wrapped 'trade secret' implementations become available that way ... Wine provides operability at the 'use a binary intended a foreign OS' environment level, sort of like a sparrow wearing scuba gear to go after a meal of grubs in a creekbed. If a person is willing accept moving around on crutches, that is a future, I guess, but is it worth committing to using adaptive devices, or to find or participate in building the FOSS alternative? -- Russ herrold --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
RRe: How to report Internet Abuse
You can't stop a server from hitting you. It's impossible. You can stop it from getting into your network. Three quickies are a proper IPTables A new invention called hosts.allow/hosts.deny. You can block whole countries this way. I have about a dozen that I do. Making sure your first line of defense -- the router is configure properly. Mine basically has a hosts.allow/hosts.deny function on it so I use it. If it is a specific port you use for whatever: port knocking, adjust the port above 2000 so that perchance someone gets in they only have user level perms. If it is port 22. Make sure your ssh/sshd files are properly configured. You can nail down to a specific IP and/or user/group that is supposed to use SSH. Use PAM. Make sure your /etc/sysctl.conf file is properly configured. Make sure your kernel is stack hardened. I like Zen, but others like others. If you need super security there is always IPSec, GRsec sp? and even SELinux. Ensure sane compliance to passphrases. You can use sshguard, fail2ban or the like to slow down robots. They like to hit hard and fast. If you slow them down to 15 mins of having to wait to try 3 more times. They get bored and move on. Don't know what kind of distro you use. Change your shadow file to blowfish, which might require a kernel recompile as most don't go that far OR use the highest level of passphrase encryption possible which is SHA512. Most distros only use MD5.I'm going to include SSH in here. DUMP ALL encryption below 256 bits. SSL3 and TLS are the most secure. DES by itself is not, but DES3 is... basically be smart. Permissions, permissions, permissions. Don't use world readable files if not necessary. Make sure you have a robots.txt file in your Apache Setup. Anyway, vp --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: RRe: How to report Internet Abuse
that was really a good post! On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, gm5729 gm5...@gmail.com wrote: You can't stop a server from hitting you. It's impossible. You can stop it from getting into your network. Three quickies are a proper IPTables A new invention called hosts.allow/hosts.deny. You can block whole countries this way. I have about a dozen that I do. Making sure your first line of defense -- the router is configure properly. Mine basically has a hosts.allow/hosts.deny function on it so I use it. If it is a specific port you use for whatever: port knocking, adjust the port above 2000 so that perchance someone gets in they only have user level perms. If it is port 22. Make sure your ssh/sshd files are properly configured. You can nail down to a specific IP and/or user/group that is supposed to use SSH. Use PAM. Make sure your /etc/sysctl.conf file is properly configured. Make sure your kernel is stack hardened. I like Zen, but others like others. If you need super security there is always IPSec, GRsec sp? and even SELinux. Ensure sane compliance to passphrases. You can use sshguard, fail2ban or the like to slow down robots. They like to hit hard and fast. If you slow them down to 15 mins of having to wait to try 3 more times. They get bored and move on. Don't know what kind of distro you use. Change your shadow file to blowfish, which might require a kernel recompile as most don't go that far OR use the highest level of passphrase encryption possible which is SHA512. Most distros only use MD5.I'm going to include SSH in here. DUMP ALL encryption below 256 bits. SSL3 and TLS are the most secure. DES by itself is not, but DES3 is... basically be smart. Permissions, permissions, permissions. Don't use world readable files if not necessary. Make sure you have a robots.txt file in your Apache Setup. Anyway, vp --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
From: Daniel Stasinski dan...@avenues.org On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Wayne Davis Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. the conclusion we both came to is that Linux will never be accepted until it *IS* Windows. Pretty much. Most people tend to learn one way of doing things, then blindly follow that way and never question it or think of how it could be improved. They they freak out when something they don't expect happens. In the last couple of incarnations of my choice of distribution, every piece of random hardware I've plugged in has been plug and play. That's pretty good, actually. I usually find that there's something (a piece of really new hardware, usually) that just doesn't work, and I either have to fool around with it or upgrade the kernel. For the Windows Power User, it's probably a good idea to stick with Windows, but for almost everyone else, I think Linux is ready for 90% of modern computer users. When I was in tech support, the people who described themselves as power users were almost always completely clueless about far too many things. Is Linux ready for 90% of users? Not sure. I'd say it's definitely there for web/mail/office tasks, and probably there for watching movies. Games... not so much. There are a ton of gamers out there who MUST HAVE StarCrack II, and as long as stuff like that is on Windows and not Linux, there will be a huge installed base of Windows boxes. -- Matt G / Dances With Crows The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
Is Linux ready for 90% of users? Not sure. I'd say it's definitely there for web/mail/office tasks, and probably movies ... Games... not so much. There are a ton of gamers out there who MUST HAVE StarCrack II and as long as stuff like that is on Windows and not Linux, there will be a huge installed base of Windows boxes. Can't resist ... I think this is exactly right. M$'s future is in high-priced toys and fooling around playing games ... and not so much in the practical and pragmatic use of computers to do something useful. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
On Jul 27, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Matt Graham wrote: From: Daniel Stasinski dan...@avenues.org On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Wayne Davis Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. the conclusion we both came to is that Linux will never be accepted until it *IS* Windows. Pretty much. Most people tend to learn one way of doing things, then blindly follow that way and never question it or think of how it could be improved. They they freak out when something they don't expect happens. I'll take a bit of issue with this characterization. While I agree with the core of what you're saying, I don't agree with the value judgement implied by phrases like 'blindly follow'. I think there are two important factors: * For the most part people *don't care* what OS their computer runs. They don't want to know what an 'OS' is. They want to do other stuff like email, web, chat, spreadsheets, etc. * Again, for the most part, people want the stuff they don't care about to be familiar and not change much. The less attention it demands, the better. So, I think the assessment that Linux's chief failing is that it is not Windows is entirely correct. Now here's where I think maybe we differ: I think this is entirely reasonable. We all have limited amounts of time and attention, and it's impossible to care about everything. We all have to make decisions about what we're going to pay attention to, and what's going to fade into the background. For me, computing is definitely in the foreground. But my car isn't. Gearhead friends are amazed I really don't care how much torque my car has or whatever. I don't care about going fast. I don't care about making noise. I don't care about having lots of chrome and stuff. I just want to drive around, and the less I need to pay attention to the car, the better. The people who are using Windows by default are, I strongly suspect, passionate about *something*. It's just not computers. I think it's a mistake to approach this as a personal failing on their part. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Running Tar from a Shell Script.
Hi, If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
On Jul 27, 2010, at 3:54 PM, keith smith wrote: Hi, If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/ dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. I know this isn't really answering your question, so apologies in advance for that... Looks like you're backing up some development code? Have you considered using a version control system instead? Granted, you then need to make backups of your repositories, but you gain a whole wealth of other benefits. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
j...@actionline.com wrote: Is Linux ready for 90% of users? Not sure. I'd say it's definitely there for web/mail/office tasks, and probably movies ... Games... not so much. There are a ton of gamers out there who MUST HAVE StarCrack II and as long as stuff like that is on Windows and not Linux, there will be a huge installed base of Windows boxes. Can't resist ... I think this is exactly right. M$'s future is in high-priced toys and fooling around playing games ... and not so much in the practical and pragmatic use of computers to do something useful. Don't cut gamers short. They're largely responsible for the development of the high quality graphics we enjoy today. Without them, I expect we'd still be a lot closer to (stuck with?) VGA. -- -Eric 'shubes' --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
On 07/27/2010 01:54 PM, keith smith wrote: If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: Just taking a guess from the \r, but was the script created on a Windows or Macintosh computer and transferred to the current machine? Check that it has unix line endings (newline only). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If filenames are stored in a tarball with leading slashes (as in the first / in /work/dev/foo), then, by default, those files can only be restored at the same absolute path. Tar is letting you know that it is storing filenames without the leading slash, like work/dev/foo. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: Bash expects lines to be terminated with the linefeed (newline, \n) character. It looks like your shell script has lines ending in a CRLF (\r\n). #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: It's reporting that it can't find a command whose name is a single carriage return (\r). /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory Tar is telling you that it can't find /work/dev/\r. /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. You need to remove the \r characters at the end of your lines. Most likely your editor has a command or mode to do that. -Dale --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
That's on the horizon. Today I need to get things tar'ed. Keith Smith --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org wrote: From: Alex Dean a...@crackpot.org Subject: Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1:59 PM On Jul 27, 2010, at 3:54 PM, keith smith wrote: Hi, If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. I know this isn't really answering your question, so apologies in advance for that... Looks like you're backing up some development code? Have you considered using a version control system instead? Granted, you then need to make backups of your repositories, but you gain a whole wealth of other benefits. alex --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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OS= WINXP I run chrome as my browser is there a way to arrange allowed/blocked cookies by order of when it was blocked/allowed? If not there should be because I blocked a cookie and now things aren't working properly. How do I get in touch with the developers to give them this suggestion? -- :-)~MIKE~(-: --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
tar: Removing leading `/' from member names is because you are not running the tar command from within the directory you are archiving. Use the -C switch to specify the directory you want to run tar from. tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz -C /work/dev/ * That will switch to the /work/dev directory and run tar from there, backing up everything in it. On 7/27/2010 1:54 PM, keith smith wrote: Hi, If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script.
Okay it was a DOS carriage return. I did a dos2unix filename.sh and all is well!! Thanks! Keith Smith --- On Tue, 7/27/10, Mark Stoecker webmas...@desertwebdesigns.com wrote: From: Mark Stoecker webmas...@desertwebdesigns.com Subject: Re: Running Tar from a Shell Script. To: Main PLUG discussion list plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 2:07 PM tar: Removing leading `/' from member names is because you are not running the tar command from within the directory you are archiving. Use the -C switch to specify the directory you want to run tar from. tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz -C /work/dev/ * That will switch to the /work/dev directory and run tar from there, backing up everything in it. On 7/27/2010 1:54 PM, keith smith wrote: Hi, If I run tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ from the command line, less the quotes, it runs just fine with the exception of the one message that says tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, which I am not sure exactly what that means. If I create a shell script with two lines, as follows: #!/bin/bash /bin/tar -czf /backups/my-backup-$(date +%Y%m%d).tgz /work/dev/ I get the following output: : command not founde 2: /bin/tar: Removing leading `/' from member names /bin/tar: /work/dev/\r: Cannot stat: No such file or directory /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors : command not founde 4: I am not sure why these errors. Any help is much appreciated. Keith Smith --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -Inline Attachment Follows- --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: The inevitable eventual cost of computers.
I personally disagree for something like this. Most people will never try to install anything on this tablet other then what is in the repository. Look at the iPad. In addition the vast majority of people will never, ever, touch the hardware, including USB components. Most people treat computers like cars. They drive them to familiar places via familiar roots and if something (Anything) goes wrong they take it to a mechanic. That is what the vast majority of people do. And Linux is better then windows was ten years ago and yet they managed to spread deep into the aver person's home then. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Wayne Davis waydavis.phx.li...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds great... BUT: Until linux becomes MUCH more plug play, the average consumer will balk. I am no fan of M$, make no mistake. However, I have, of late been contemplating moving to Win7. Actually BOUGHT the Win7PRO and have installed it on another boot drive. It is EASY, It is MUCH more compatible with stuff on the shelves. I know, I know, Linux does what they do for free, faster, more secure, Blah blah blah... Bottom line is ease of use, and THAT it isn't, at least for power users yet? We shall see. I personally hope it succeeds. I also personally hope something radical and new replaces it too. :-) On 07/27/2010 09:25 AM, j...@actionline.com wrote: How much is computer hardware *really* worth? This week, India announced a new $35 tablet PC How low do you think computer prices will eventually go? And how long do you think new PC hardware will sustain $500 and higher price points (due to the built-in M$ tax of $100 to $500 per unit)? Is it not inevitable that the actual/true value of PC hardware and complete computers will continue to shrink ... and radically? Consider the ubiquitous electronic calculator at the now typical full retail price of about $1.00. And now that Linux is taking over an ever greater share of all computer-powered devices ... how much longer do you think antitrust M$ will be able to get away with holding baseball bats over the heads computer manufacturers and retailers? CONSIDER ... a few excerpts from the India announcement: Kapil Sibal, India's Minister for Human Resource Development unveiled a prototype touch-screen tablet PC that has been in development for five years. The initial target price is ... $35 US. This new tablet PC is part of India's push to provide high-quality education to all of its students. It also has a solar power option. Of course, it is a Linux-based computer with web browser, multimedia player, PDF reader, Wi-Fi, video conferencing ability, 2GB RAM, memory card, USB ports, and expected to be available next year. Students from the Indian Institute of Technology co-designed motherboards for it. They say the eventual price could be $20 or even as low as $10. See a photo and read the original article here: - - - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20011536-1.html - - - YES! ... Linux powered computers will rule the computer world ;) It is inevitable. It is just basic economics. $10.00 computers with a $100-500 M$ tax added (and for an inferior, inefficient, bloatware, permanently virus, worm, and spyware infected system) just won't fly. The eventual victory is in sight ;) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
DefCon 18
Too bad I can't take off for Friday, I would enroll in this: https://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?t=11627 Capture the Packet Contest Encrypt or be Sorry! -- IvedaXpress.com Systems Engineer Office: (480)307-8712 ATT: (503)754-4452 Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. --Stanislav Lem --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Fwd: [HSL] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG)
Forwarding a cross post. Looks interesting if it interests you. ;-) Tried to post to plug-devel but it doesn't like my email address. Shrug. Alan -- Forwarded message -- From: Will Bradley bradley.w...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:10 PM Subject: [HSL] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG) To: heatsyncl...@googlegroups.com Cross-posting from Refresh Phoenix, in case anyone is interested in coding Google integrations. -- Forwarded message -- From: MSW mwolf...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:44 PM Subject: [refresh-phoenix] Announcing Phoenix Google Technology Users Group (GTUG) To: Refresh Phoenix refreshphoe...@googlegroups.com We have formed a local chapter of the Google Technology Users Group. What is a GTUG? Google Technology User Groups (GTUGs) are user groups for people who are interested in Google's developer technology; everything from the Android and App Engine platforms, to product APIs like the YouTube API and the Google Calendar API, to initiatives like OpenSocial. Check out code.google.com for the full list of offerings. The Phoenix GTUG is targeted towards developers whose focus is on computing in the cloud. The primary focus will be on Google's developer technology products; these can include (but are not limited to): Android, App Engine, Chrome, Google Web Toolkit (GWT), and product APIs (such as Maps, YouTube or Calendar). The focus of our group is not limited to Google products explicitly, but anything that enables using the internet effectively. Please subscribe to our mailing list, to be included in future announcements, and discussions: http://groups.google.com/group/phoenix-gtug You can find information on our website: http://phoenix.gtugs.org/ Meeting schedule: Our meetings will occur on the 3rd Wednesday of every month, with the first meeting scheduled on September 15, 2010 (starting at 6:30 with free Pizza; presentation will start at 7:00). Location: Maricopa Community Colleges SBDC 2400 North Central Avenue, Suite 104 Phoenix AZ 85004 We look forward to growing this group, into another great resource for the Phoenix technical community. Please forward this announcement to anyone who might be interested. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Refresh Phoenix group. To post to this group, send email to refreshphoe...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to refreshphoenix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/refreshphoenix?hl=en. --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
Re: Wednesday West Side Mtg Question
I called and e-mailed the Outreach department at DeVry, with no response yet regarding the room #. Hopefully I'll find out something tomorrow. On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Benjamin Francom bfran...@gmail.comwrote: I will be doing a presentation on installing Linux on a Soekris net5501 this Wednesday night @ 7pm at DeVry. What room at DeVry is the meeting in? As the presenter, I'd really like to let some other people know (non-PLUG'ers). I posted my question on the IRC, but it's pretty quiet right now, so I thought I'd also post to the list. More info on Soekris hardware: http://wiki.soekris.info Thanks! -Ben -- Benjamin Francom Information Technology Executive http://www.benjaminfran.com --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
