Re: Can Macbook dual-boot with Linux?

[David]

On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Josef Lowder wrote:

> I'm considering purchasing a Macbook and would like to know if it can
> dual-boot with most Linux distros. And/or does anyone have experience
> running Linux in a Virtual box or VM ware setup on a Macbook?
> ---

I've had my macbook and macbook pro dual boot with linux.  I've also  
had them triple boot with WinXP, Redhat/Ubuntu and OS X.   Read what  
you need to do at

http://refit.sourceforge.net/

David

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postfix help, please

[David]

We are currently running postfix as our edge relay server.   All email is 
currently forwarded to an internal Notes server.
We are also in the process of migrating to exchange.   I have no problems with 
getting the mail to exchange, however, the powers that be want all incoming 
mail to be delivered to both the new exchange server and the old Notes server.

Basically
 
   -> joe.u...@domain.com (exchange server)
in -> joe.u...@domain.com -
   -> joe.u...@domain.com (Notes server)

I have 2 issues.   If I specify exchange.domain.com and notes.exchange.com will 
the "to" address be re-written?

Also, How the heck can I do this?  The closest I could find was:

http://www.lslnet.com/linux/edosc/52/linux-52354232.htm

but the translation isn't perfect, and I believe some of the characters aren't 
getting displayed correctly.   Mainly, this regex:

/^ (. +) $ 1...@backend1.x-si.orgx-si\.org$/ $ 1...@backend2.x-si.org

Any help would be appreciated.

David

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Re: guess what....

[David]

On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:54 PM, Ryan Rix wrote:
>
> 
> And here we have it, the rare but savage introduction to a PLUG- 
> discuss
> political maelstrom. Look at the size of its horns, oh what a beauty.
>
> The male begins with its mating call, usually in the form of an on  
> topic, but
> political, reply to a message on the mailing list. The message would  
> be one
> that half of the pack's males would agree on and half would disagree  
> on.
> Naturally the dominant males in the group will take to bellowing and  
> fighting
> until the maelstrom finally subsides.
>
> These events are rare occurences in such a group, but a splendid  
> site to see
> when they do occur. Oh, crikey, here it comes! We best make way back  
> to the
> lorry and find another less rambuctious group of listers.
> 
>
> ;D Ryan
> (ps, my .sig fortune is really good today)
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Now *that* was funny.  :)

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Re: Google Wave

[David]

- Original Message -
From: "Stephen" 
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2009 9:08:24 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: Google Wave

Anyone look at this?

http://wave.google.com/

and interestingly it is to be released as opensource software.

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rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.

Stephen

As a matter of fact, I have.   Still waiting on my invite, though, dangit.   It 
looks it could be an interesting
competitor to the whole MS Exchange/sharepoint, etc setup.   

David

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Re: OT: Google Wave

[David]

I use it daily.  A couple friends and I are using it as a collaboration tool to 
help get our business going.

David
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On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:

> But do you guys use the accounts?
> - Original Message -
> From: James Finstrom
> To: Main PLUG discussion list
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: OT: Google Wave
> 
> I have some too and perhaps a google voice account
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Donn  wrote:
> I have 8 left.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. 
>  wrote:
> Would anyone in this group like a Google Wave accout?  I have 2 invites
> left.
> 
> Gilbert
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Re: OT: Google Wave

[David]

I have wave already, but would be interested in the voice account if you still 
have the invite :)

David

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On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:12 AM, James Finstrom wrote:

> I have some too and perhaps a google voice account
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Donn  wrote:
> I have 8 left.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. 
>  wrote:
> Would anyone in this group like a Google Wave accout?  I have 2 invites
> left.
> 
> Gilbert
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Re: Cross Platform Filesystems

[David]

I'm pretty sure you can get ntfs on Mac and Linux (read and write) via fuse, 
not sure about FreeBSD, though.

David
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On Jan 4, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> Hello all,
> I recently bought a 1TB external hard drive. My plan is to be able to connect 
> it to my Mac, my Windows Machines, my Linux machine and my FreeBSD machine. I 
> searched for a cross platform filesystem and only found FAT32. That does not 
> seem like a good option. Can anyone recommend a preferrably journaled 
> filesystem that is cross platform? Or at least provide a way for it to be 
> cross platform?
> Thanks! 
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Re: Cross Platform Filesystems

[David]

Yup, available for all your requirements:

http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/


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On Jan 4, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> One system at a time. Thanks for the clarification.
> Eric
> 
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
> Are you talking about sharing concurrently, or simply using the drive on
> one system at a time? (I was thinking concurrently)
> 
> Stephen wrote:
> > This keeps poping up, and the only solution is install a a filesystem
> > that all your OS's can talk to. Difficulty in this Fat32 is
> > technically the only one and even still it is not FOSS.
> >
> > however i know there is a windows driver for ext2/3 so you can use
> > that as your Filesystem. i do not know about MAC on this regard.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
> >> I don't know of a way that you can share devices on a USB connection. If
> >> you can, it's news to me (which is entirely possible).
> >>
> >> I think you'll need a server of some sort which 'owns' the device, and
> >> shares it via some mechanism such as ntfs or samba.
> >>
> >> Eric Cope wrote:
> >>> USB 2.0.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Eric Shubert  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Eric Cope wrote:
> >>>  > Hello all,
> >>>  > I recently bought a 1TB external hard drive. My plan is to be able 
> >>> to
> >>>  > connect it to my Mac, my Windows Machines, my Linux machine and my
> >>>  > FreeBSD machine. I searched for a cross platform filesystem and 
> >>> only
> >>>  > found FAT32. That does not seem like a good option. Can anyone
> >>> recommend
> >>>  > a preferrably journaled filesystem that is cross platform? Or at
> >>> least
> >>>  > provide a way for it to be cross platform?
> >>>  > Thanks!
> >>>  > Eric
> >>>  >
> >>>
> >>> Which type of connection are you planning to use?
> >>>
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using chown in the sudoers file

[David]

Ok, I'm at the point of frustration with this one.  I need to be able to give a 
specific user access to change ownership on all files in the web directory.

Ive added this to the /etc/sudoers file:

1234ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/chown * 
/var/www/html/invites

Where 1234 is the user I want to give access to.  However, after doing so, 
I get this:

wwwphx:/var/www/html/invites>sudo chown vendor web.gif 
Sorry, user 1234 is not allowed to execute '/bin/chown vendor web.gif' as 
root on server.name.com.

I've tried various variations of said sudoer entry, with none working except 
giving carte blance to the "chown" command, which I'm loathe to do.

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks,
David

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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David]

On May 17, 2010, at 5:32 PM, j...@actionline.com wrote:

> 
> This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have
> ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is "Off Topic."
> 
> http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the
> nine years I've lived in Arizona.  I hope everyone on this list will
> forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign
> this petition.
> 
> http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15
> 
> 
> 

Awesome! Ill be going... In protest :)

David

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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David]

Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.   

Yes, a personal attack.  Just as the comment I'm referring to is.

David
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On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:

> 
>   Tuna,
> 
> We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux developers 
> as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux.  Just because some deem 
> the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we terminate 
> the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject.  Of course some people 
> don't like it being discussed.  Those are the people who want to prevent 
> action from being taken.  There are some of these people on this thread.  How 
> can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is right in front 
> of our faces every day*!?
> 
> The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo.  It's not a 
> laughing matter.  Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that 
> these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american.  Our state 
> is broke, as are many other states.  Our ability to maintain our technology 
> sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves politically.  
> This means *your job*.  It might even be an opportunity to position ourselves 
> profitably relative to California.  Discussion is absolutely critical to 
> moving in the right direction.  Don't let people blow the issue out of 
> proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground.
> 
> That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or 
> whatever other stuff is 'on topic'.
> 
>   -jmz
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna  wrote:
> /|  ___
>/ |   __-- --__  |\
>|  \_----_  /  |
>|)\/   |
> \__/ /
> ) ,-`
> /  0   ..   0 |
>/ /|   | ,
>\   ,__  / |   \/ |
> \ ```)
>  \__/
>ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL
> 
> I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public domain.
> 
> Congrats, Zeidner.
> 
> Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010:
> > Hello PLUG,
> >
> >
> >
> >   I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the recent
> > Los Angeles boycott of Arizona:
> >
> >
> > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo
> > te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html
> >
> > <http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v
> > ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html>
> >  Hopefully
> > they will choose Linux.
> >
> >
> > -jmz
> >
> 
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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David]

Why?  Serious inquiry.   From my brief reading, they don't do anything many 
other political groups do.

David

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On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:

> 
> 
>David,
> 
>  Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA 
> right now?
> 
>-jmz
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David  wrote:
> Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
> 
> Yes, a personal attack.  Just as the comment I'm referring to is.
> 
> David
> "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
> --Darth Vader
> 
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> 
> >
> >   Tuna,
> >
> > We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux 
> > developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux.  Just because 
> > some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean we 
> > terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject.  Of course some 
> > people don't like it being discussed.  Those are the people who want to 
> > prevent action from being taken.  There are some of these people on this 
> > thread.  How can we discuss anything these days without addressing *what is 
> > right in front of our faces every day*!?
> >
> > The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo.  It's not a 
> > laughing matter.  Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that 
> > these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american.  Our 
> > state is broke, as are many other states.  Our ability to maintain our 
> > technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves 
> > politically.  This means *your job*.  It might even be an opportunity to 
> > position ourselves profitably relative to California.  Discussion is 
> > absolutely critical to moving in the right direction.  Don't let people 
> > blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial 
> > battleground.
> >
> > That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service or 
> > whatever other stuff is 'on topic'.
> >
> >   -jmz
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna  wrote:
> > /|  ___
> >/ |   __-- --__  |\
> >|  \_----_  /  |
> >|)\/   |
> > \__/ /
> > ) ,-`
> > /  0   ..   0 |
> >/ /|   | ,
> >\   ,__  / |   \/ |
> > \ ```)
> >  \__/
> >ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL
> >
> > I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public 
> > domain.
> >
> > Congrats, Zeidner.
> >
> > Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010:
> > > Hello PLUG,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the 
> > > recent
> > > Los Angeles boycott of Arizona:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo
> > > te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html
> > >
> > > <http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v
> > > ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html>
> > >  Hopefully
> > > they will choose Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > -jmz
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> 
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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David]

And I asked why. An even simpler question to answer, it would seem.

David

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On May 17, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
>Will you condemn and denounce them?  simple question.  We're not comparing 
> to other groups.
> 
>   -jmz
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:56 PM, David  wrote:
> Why?  Serious inquiry.   From my brief reading, they don't do anything many 
> other political groups do.
> 
> David
> 
> "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
> --Darth Vader
> 
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >David,
> >
> >  Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA 
> > right now?
> >
> >-jmz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David  wrote:
> > Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
> >
> > Yes, a personal attack.  Just as the comment I'm referring to is.
> >
> > David
> > "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
> > --Darth Vader
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >   Tuna,
> > >
> > > We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux 
> > > developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux.  Just 
> > > because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does 
> > > not mean we terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject.  
> > > Of course some people don't like it being discussed.  Those are the 
> > > people who want to prevent action from being taken.  There are some of 
> > > these people on this thread.  How can we discuss anything these days 
> > > without addressing *what is right in front of our faces every day*!?
> > >
> > > The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo.  It's not a 
> > > laughing matter.  Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you that 
> > > these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american.  Our 
> > > state is broke, as are many other states.  Our ability to maintain our 
> > > technology sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves 
> > > politically.  This means *your job*.  It might even be an opportunity to 
> > > position ourselves profitably relative to California.  Discussion is 
> > > absolutely critical to moving in the right direction.  Don't let people 
> > > blow the issue out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial 
> > > battleground.
> > >
> > > That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX service 
> > > or whatever other stuff is 'on topic'.
> > >
> > >   -jmz
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna  wrote:
> > > /|  ___
> > >/ |   __-- --__  |\
> > >|  \_----_  /  |
> > >|)\/   |
> > > \__/ /
> > > ) ,-`
> > > /  0   ..   0 |
> > >/ /|   | ,
> > >\   ,__  / |   \/ |
> > > \ ```)
> > >  \__/
> > >ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL
> > >
> > > I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public 
> > > domain.
> > >
> > > Congrats, Zeidner.
> > >
> > > Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700 2010:
> > > > Hello PLUG,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to the 
> > > > recent
> > > > Los Angeles boycott of Arizona:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo
> > > > te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v
> > > > ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html>
> > > >  Hopefully
> > > > they will choose Linux.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -jmz
> > > >
> > >
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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David]

- Original Message -
From: "keith smith" 
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:03:19 AM
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

They teach hate and AZTLAN. They teach that this is their land - Mexico.
That is unAmerican and if I might say so, racist. What does La Raza
stand for? The Race!

Hmmm...I keep hearing that.   I also hear it stands for "The Family".  I guess 
context matters.

If I as a white man was to start a group called "The Race" or something
similar like the "Aryan Nation" which I denounce right here right now, I
would be labeled a racist.

Watch this video and tell me La Raza is not a problem -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s

Yup, I can say he's a problem.

Tell me we are not traveling full speed towards a race war?

Um...welcome to the world.  There've been race wars ever since people noticed 
differences in appearance.

Instead of embracing the American dream these groups poison young minds
which will ultimately destroy lives.

Much like some other groups I could name.

This is America! I'm tired of the bellyaching and all the "poor me"
stuff. This is the land of opportunity. Don't expect a handout and don't
expect me to pay our bills. Get up off your lazy behind and make
something happen.

Wah.

I worked midnight shift as a police officer so I could attend college
during the day. It was hard but that is what it takes. You wants
something don't look to the government look to your God and your Savior
and get out and pay the price.

Good for you.  Except for the God part.  I'm more of a belief-in-self kinda guy.

This is America! If you do not like it here get out. You are dead weight
and you are holding those of us of who what REAL change, back. Beleive
me you have not experienced anything like a red blooded American that
feels he is being wronged. We will right what is wrong with this country
and that includes those who have come here illegally. I do not stand
alone. The surveys say 50 - 70% of America is behind Arizona. There is a
battle line being drawn. What side will you be on?

Actually, those of us who wanted change are mostly getting it.  We voted this 
guy into office...by 
a HUGE majority.  A mandate, if you will.  Also, A very large portion of the 
country liked slavery
and the thought of black people as less than a white person.  Didn't make it 
right. 
OR Constitutional.


If you are on the side of La Raza you will loose. This is America. If
you fly the Mexican flag expect trouble.

I'm against any group whose stated core principals include racism, elitism, 
exclusionism, hate,
intolerance, or the promotion of Windows based solutions (hows *that* for an 
On-topic attempt?).

I'm also smart enough to realize that a few bad apples does *not* make the 
group. If I wasn't, I'd
have to oppose most forms of religion (Church of the Subgenius excluded), the 
"Teabaggers", most Conservative
groups, some "liberal" groups, and, of course, anything put out by SCO.

As a Christian man I believe I am to live in peace with you as much as
you will allow.

My Bible says in Romans 12: 8 "If it is possible, as far as it depends
on you, live at peace with everyone.". That says it is up to you. I want
peace and revival in this land. If you however want trouble that is on
your head, and that is what you will get.

Blah, blah, blah.  I don't recall Jesus (the deity, not the common spanish 
name) ever saying anything even 
*close* to that.  It sounds like your intolerant religion is itching for a 
fight. 



 Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 5/17/10, David  wrote:



From: David 
Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 9:56 PM


Why? Serious inquiry. From my brief reading, they don't do anything many
other political groups do.

David

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
--Darth Vader



On May 17, 2010, at 9:47 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:

>
>
> David,
>
> Will you condemn and denounce the political groups La Raza and MEChA
> right now?
>
> -jmz
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:42 PM, David < da...@damnetwork.net > wrote:
> Josh, I don't know you from Adam, but FU for calling me unAmerican.
>
> Yes, a personal attack. Just as the comment I'm referring to is.
>
> David
> "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
> --Darth Vader
>
>
>
> On May 17, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
>
> >
> > Tuna,
> >
> > We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux
> > developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux. Just
> > because some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds
> > does not

upgrading ubuntu

[David]

I have an ubuntu 6.06 LTS (all updates applied) server that I need to  
upgrade to 8.04 LTS.   I've read the upgrade instructions,
I have the iso, I'll have the time this weekend.

Other than my custom kernel, are there any other gotchas I might need  
to worry about when I do the upgrade?  I do plan
on backing up config files, important data, etc prior to the upgrade.

Thanks,
David


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Re: upgrading ubuntu

[David]

Would you mind expounding on this?

Thanks,
David

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:26:05 -0700
  koder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I would that it were true.
  
  Harold
  
  
  -Original Message-
From: Francis Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
  
  To: Main PLUG discussion list 
  Subject: Re: upgrading ubuntu
  Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:09:49 -0700
  
  On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 06:44 -0700, David wrote:
> I have an ubuntu 6.06 LTS (all updates applied) server that I need to 
> 
> upgrade to 8.04 LTS.   I've read the upgrade instructions,
> I have the iso, I'll have the time this weekend.
> 
> Other than my custom kernel, are there any other gotchas I might need 
> 
> to worry about when I do the upgrade?  I do plan
> on backing up config files, important data, etc prior to the upgrade.
  
  You actually shouldn't encounter too many issues, especially at this
  stage... Ubuntu actually takes a lot of time ensuring upgrade routes
are
  reasonably consistent. Just make sure you install all of the
  ubuntu-{minimal,standard,desktop,server} packages though to ensure
the
  process is as smooth as possible.
  
  You have the advantage that most possible issues have already been
  encountered and filed as bugs - then fixed. You should be fine, good
  luck!
  
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Re: upgrading ubuntu - results

[David]

On Aug 23, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> I am sure many of of would like to hear how it went especially since
> you are jumping a number of releases.  We don't often hear about those
> adventures.

As I noted earlier, I was going to do an Ubuntu 6.06 LTS -> 8.04 LTS  
upgrade.   Here's how it went.

Let me start off with saying I'm a fairly new ubuntu/debian kinda  
guy.   I've been RH (and derivatives)/Gentoo person my entire linux  
life (about 10 years), so some of my assumptions come from that angle.

- Apparently you can't do an upgrade by booting from the cdrom.   I  
couldn't find any, anyway.
- There is a 'cdromupgrade' script on the root of the cd.   This is  
supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you, however...
- The cdromupgrade script doesn't work very well.   It segfaulted  
about 30 sec's into the upgrade.
- It turns out that not being able to upgrade by booting the cdrom was  
a good thing.   This allowed me to still have internet access
while I did the upgrade.
- 10 minutes of googleing later, I found the problem with the  
cdromupgrade script (I believe it was a problem with some unsigned  
packages I   had installed) and had an alternate means of doing the  
upgrade.
- I added the cdrom as an apt source and away I went.
- There were some other issues with packages not being able to be  
installed because a dependancy was not configured.   Again,
google and 'man' got my solutions (not google-ing "man", btw)
- I was prompted to install new/keep existing/diff my menu.lst file  
more times than I cared for.   I ended up with the same kernel
   I was running prior to the upgrade.
- Other that the few issues with some circular dependancies via apt- 
dist upgrade, the only issue I seem to have is my 2 network cards
keep pulling a "Kerry" on me.   They keep flip-flopping between  
eth1 and eth2.  (I'm still  looking into this).

All in all, I was very pleased.   All my data was kept intact (I made  
backups anyway).   My Communigate server is still running just fine,  
which,
btw, is *very* good for anyone with an active-sync capable cell phone  
who would like push email, calendar and contacts *cough* iPhone *cough*.

So now I have an 8.04 LTS server running TwonkyMedia (the whole reason  
for the upgrade in the first place) serving media to my PS3.

Thanks to all who responded,
David

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Re: OT.. ADVICE: HP or Macbook

[David]

+1 mac also. MacBook pro + triple boot bootcamp + Vmware fusion for  
the win

"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
--Darth Vader

On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:34 PM, "Josh Coffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> I know this is an odd place to ask, but I'm looking for perspective  
> on an
> internal debate.  Get and HP laptop because its cheaper and run  
> linux with a
> windows VM? Or get a macbook pro and virtualize windows & linux?
>
> I've eliminated other laptops for various reasons.  I was settled on  
> the HP
> but reconsidered.  In fact if they were the same price or close, I  
> wouldn't
> hesitate to get the mac.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
> -- 
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Re: We are screwed.

[David]

HA!

From what I read on the internet, there is:

- doubt about the moon landing
- there are tacmars (tactical markers) on our street signs
- linux users are only a bunch of kids who live in their parents basement
- the earth is flat
- the earth is hollow
- lizard people from another dimension control everything
- the Illuminati are +++ATH0  NO CARRIER

- Original Message -
From: "keith smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 1:03:56 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time 
(Arizona)
Subject: Re: We are screwed.


Interesting!  You voted for someone with no record.  Who is reportedly not even 
legally able to run for president.  Did you know there is a lawsuit to 
determine this fact? 

He had his records sealed?  Why?  I am also am at odds with Bush for the same 
thing.  Bush hid his military service records because there was something to 
hide.  So did McCain.

I voted for McCain because I am afraid of Obama!  Who is Obama?  Were did he 
come from?  What about that church were the pastor who preached hate not 
reconstruction.  Obama suposedly has terrorist ties.  He has an illegal alien 
aunt.  What else do we not know about?  

What about his wife saying "this is the first time I have been happy with 
America..."  I've always been proud of this country that I have served on 
active duty, reserve duty, and within local government.  What has he done?  Did 
he serve?  Has he sacrificed?

What little we know about him scares me. 

I do not like what is going on in America.  I did not support the bailout nor 
do I think it will work.  I just think McCain is much less scary. 


Keith Smith




--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Thomas Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Thomas Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: We are screwed.
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 11:50 AM

keith smith wrote:
> 
> A president with a socialist view is much better?  He wants to tax your 
> business to help those who do not want to help themselves.

BWAHAHAH!  Are you serious?  I mean, *really* - this is hogwash and 
you should know better.

One misquote != socialist agenda, and anyone who stoops low enough to 
try to twist it that way is either a liar or an idiot.

And if you think for one second that nationalizing the banks like Bush 
and Company did, even partially, is not a "socialist" move then
you're 
smoking crack.

Obama is no more a Socialist than Bush is.  And the reality is that the 
*vast* majority of small business owners do not make more than 
$250K/year, so that argument is complete bullshit as well.

The GOP lost so badly this year precisely because moderates like me got 
sick of the lies and innuendo like the crap you're spewing.  Had McCain 
run his campaign the way he delivered his speech last night, things 
would very likely  have been different.  Instead, he caved to the 
advisers who told him to smear and lie.  In other words, GOP business as 
usual.

You lost because of the crap you spew.  Stop it or continue to lose.

Thomas
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kernel oops

[David]

I've been getting quite a few kernel oops' recently on a rh server. 
All my google searches have been via serial terminal or serial  
printer.   Is there a more modern way of capturing the oops other than  
via serial terminal?

Thanks for any help
David

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Re: kernel oops

[David]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Michael Garfias wrote:

> Check out netconsole: Linux Configure Netconsole To Log Messages  
> Over UDP Network
>
> That is pretty much what you want as it doesn't depend on disk  
> access, or anything on the local box.  If the oops is bad enough  
> (say in the scsi subsystem) the other proposed solutions won't get  
> the error to you.



Many thanks to everyone for all the replies.   The one thing I forgot  
to mention is that the oops' lock up the box completely, so the  
'dmesg' solutions are out.   However, I have tested the 'netcat/ 
netconsole' solution with resounding success.

Thanks again to everyone,
David

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Re: Simple Script issue..??

[David]

On Dec 10, 2008, at 6:42 PM, wayne wrote:

> ps -A | grep $1 | cut -c1-5 | grep -o [0123456789]* | kill
>
>
> WILL NOT WORK.
>
> I want to run the above script "whack" like this:   whack  kicker
> which should kill the process "kicker"
>  But it chokes at the "kill" part and I do not know what I'm
> doing.  and doing wrong  :-)
>
> Anybody?
> ---

for i in `ps aux | grep $1 | awk '{ print $2 }'`; do kill $i; done

I have to use this all the time on errant oracle processes :)
David

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perl or sed s/// problem

[David]

I'm having a problem with perl *and* sed with a particular replace line.  The 
lines I'm trying to search for, and replace, both have "/" characters, which is 
completely killing me.   

line="passwordrequisite /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so retry=3"
newline="password required /lib/security/$ISA/pam_cracklib.so minlen=8 
dcredit=-1 ucredit=-1 lcredit=0 minclass=3  retry=3"

I need to maintain whitespace, too.

perl -p -i -e s/"$line"/"$newline"/  file

That tosses out all kinds of errors, since perl believes the first "/lib" line 
to be the next delimiter.  Even using the magical \Q and \E things doesn't 
work.  AARRGGHH!!!   

Sed seems to have the same problem.   Anyone have any ideas on how I can get 
this to work?  And yes, unfortunately, I need to use the variables.

Thanks,
David


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Re: perl or sed s/// problem

[David]

On Aug 5, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Kevin Brown wrote:
>> 
> 
> The | sits right under the \ on the keyboard, so it is easy to put into 
> scripts. The # may seem like a reasonable delimiter unless the lines being 
> read in have comments in them. In which case most files I've seen use the # 
> to denote a comment or a comment line...
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Thanks to all who responded.  The combination of single-quoting some variables 
and changing my delimiter solved most of the problems I was having, though, 
sadly, not all.

David

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Re: The PLUG website is dead. Long live the PLUG website!

[David]

On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Alan Dayley wrote:

> Nathan Aubrey wrote:
>> Why are there always problems with the plug web site? It seems every couple 
>> of
>> months the site goes down or gets hacked or the ISP dies...
>
> Point well taken.
>
> In the past is has been a combination of insecurity (not all me) and
> incompetent, amateurish webmastering (me).

Well, shoot.  And here I thought it was just because it was running linux.


/ducks
//runs

David

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Re: Way OT: iPhone battery

[David]

Yes, its pretty much the same.  Its technically not user replaceable,  
like the iPod. However, like the iPod, I expect methods to do so to  
appear shortly.

-- why, yes, sent from my iPhone.

David

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On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Gerard Snitselaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> Anyone know if the iPhone has the same issue of having a battery  
> that is
> not easy to replace, like the iPod? I couldn't find anything on the
> apple website.
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Re: Way OT: iPhone battery

[David]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Dan Lund wrote:

> So basically its unuseable in phoenix?
>
>
> On 7/2/07, Tuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have heard that the battery dies at any temperature over 95 degrees...
>>

Not sure what happened to my last reply, but oh well.Anyway, I'm not 
sure where this little tidbit came from, but the only thing I could find 
online was a reference to operating temps of the iPhone with 95 being at 
the upper end.  This makes sense, though.  You dont really want the 
*phone* to reach 95 degrees.  Basically, dont leave it outside on the 
sidewalk, or on the dash of your car during the day and you'll be fine.

I can assure you that it works just fine outside, with temps over 110. 
And it is a pretty damn sweet device.  Much better than the:

- bb pearl I had
- blackjack I had
- nokia 6682 I had
- the other 2 nokias I had (all smart phones)
- 4th gen iPod it replaced

btw, I heard a rumor that the human body doesn't work above temps of 110 
or so.   Phoenix residents must be SOL, no?  :)

David

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RE: Way OT: iPhone battery

[David]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

> While heat will kill the life of any Li-Ion battery, the real problem is
> the display.  Which is similar to any smart phone or laptop.  I believe
> you will find the same environmental factors for the power book as well.
> So if you feel the apple laptops are doing just fine, get an iPhone, if
> not don't.

I agree.  I was just pointing out the difference between the device 
getting that hot and the outside temp being that hot.

>
> Personally I am thinking the LG Prada would be better as my provider
> caries them and I don't have to renew two years to get it.

I won't argue the merits of one phone or another as its a fairly personal 
decision (I would do alot of things to keep my mom from getting the 
iPhone, for example.  Then again, she has issues operating an *iPod*...). 
It's not for everyone.  However, you don't necessarily have to sell your 
soul for 2 years (as I did...souls are overrated anyway :) )

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/02/iphone-prepay-the-right-way/

David

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OT: pc services

[David]

I had a self-built PC get fried a short time ago.  Luckily, I have 
insurance that covers it.  However, I need to take the PC to a 'reputable' 
PC repair facility and get a diagnosis from them.

Does anyone on the list run a pc-repair business?  And live in the NW 
valley?  I already verified with my ins. company that a mom-and-pop shop 
would be fine.  This is a paying gig (I get reimbursed from ins).

I'm not looking for any exagerations, etc on the problems for the pc, just 
an honest diagnosis so I can send it to my ins. company.

If so, please let me know (off list, of course).

Thanks,
David

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sata/esata

[David]

I'm looking to get an esata pci card in the next few days and was 
wondering what recommendations, if any, the group has.

Also, being new to sata, I have a couple newbie questions:

Im using an older motherboard (my current ide drives have pretty bad 
performance).

Will a sata/esata drive be limited by anything other than the pci bus
  speeds (other than drive speeds)?

Any other gotcha's, etc I should look out for?

Thanks,
David

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Re: HD

[David]

On Dec 5, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Michael Havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a question... earlier it was said that to get hd channels  
> you need
> a special antenna but I recently got an hd tv and it seems that my old
> antenna is picking up the hd channels. Am I missing something?
> -

I don't know about needing an antenna, but you do need a reciever.   
Most HDTV's include one, though.

David
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ubuntu network not auto-starting

[David]

'Aloo all.  

I just migrated my server from gentoo to ubuntu 6.06 server.  Everything seems 
to be fine except for the fact that the network interfaces are not starting on 
boot (other than the fact that ubuntu decided my previously happy eth0 is now 
eth2, even though I only have 2 nic cards...).  Here's what I have for the 
configs:


# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

# The primary network interface
#auto eth0
#iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth2 inet static
address my.ip.addr.ess
netmask 255.255.255.252
broadcast my.brd.cast.addr
gateway my.gate.way.addr

iface eth1 inet static
address 192.168.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
broadcast 192.168.0.255


Networking is set to start at the current runlevel (2, which is kind of weird, 
I always used 3: multi-user/networking).   In fact, during boot, I see the 
messages "Starting networking" (or something similar).  What am I missing?  I 
can find no error messages in any of the logs.

/yes, am an ubuntu noob.  not a linux noob, though.

Thanks,
David
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Re: ubuntu network not auto-starting

[David]

- "Craig White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> noobness notwithstanding...
> 
> what happens when you do...
> 
> ifup eth1
> 
> Craig
> 

D'oh!  I knew I forgot to add something.   I can manually start both interfaces 
just fine, with no errors.

ifup eth1
ifup eth2

Neither comes up at boot, though.  Does ubuntu have different 'definitions' of 
runlevels?  i.e. is runlevel 2 for ubuntu
the same as runlevel 3 for redhat, etc?  I'm beginning to wonder if thats what 
the problem is. 

David

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Re: ubuntu network not auto-starting

[David]

- "Craig White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> oh yea, runlevels...
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
> 
> perhaps you do need to use runlevel 2
> 
> Craig

Well, for a lark, I changed my default runlevel to 3 and rebooted.  Didn't make 
a difference.   Neither interface
gets started automatically, but both can be started with no problems manually.

Any one else have any idears?

Thanks,
David

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Re: ubuntu network not auto-starting

[David]

- "Dazed_75" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Yes, ubuntu does use run levels differently.  Admittedly there is no
> fixed standard for most levels, but I have always thought they
> deviated from common usage for no good reason.
> 
> I have seen an article or posting saying that ubuntu did not handle
> dual nics nicely automatically and that some manual configuration was
> needed.  But that was some time ago and I was not able to find the
> article.  I do not know if it is still true for 7.04 and 7.10 where
> they really got going using NetworkManager which is fussy about the
> content of /etc/network/interfaces.  But for your 6.06 I don't think
> it was used.  Sorry I can't find that article.
> 
> OTOH, I noticed in your post there does not seem to be an auto clause
> for either eth2 or eth1 which seems like it could be your problem.  I
> am no expert, but ...

Well, I went ahead and changed this:

auto lo

to this:

auto lo eth1 eth2

I wasn't in a huge hurry to test it out, though.  However, lucky me, we had a 
power flicker, which forced a test :)

Much thanks for the fix!

David

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Re: Gentoo for Business?

[David]

- "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sure Gentoo is loads of fun if you're a hobbiest of some kind,
> but I doubt it will gain any serious traction in the corporate realm.
> So if your goal is marketable skills, Gentoo is clearly not the the
> way to go.  Configurability can sometimes be a minus, as it adds to
> the number of variables that need to be managed = cost++ = ROI--.  If
> anyone knows of any specialty niches for Gentoo in the corporate
> arena, I'd be interested to know.
> 
>   -jmz
> 

Speaking only of the 'marketable skills' aspect, I disagree.   When we are 
interviewing
potential new linux people, I prefer one who has gentoo experience.   
Specifically 
because of what you need to go through to get it installed and working.  Now, 
thats not
to say I disqualify someone who doesn't have gentoo exp.   However, given 2 
almost 
identical candidates, I'll go with the one with gentoo exp.  Heck, they don't 
even have
to be identical...

David

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Re: MySQL - Bugzilla help

[David]

- "Bryan O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, I am trying to install bugzilla, but I am getting an error when I
> run ./checksetup.pl as apache
> Enter the e-mail address of the administrator:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Enter the real name of the administrator: Bryan ONeal
> Enter a password for the administrator account: 
> Please retype the password to verify: DBD::mysql::db do failed:
> Access
> denied for user 'bugs'@'localhost'   to
> database 'bugs' at Bugzilla/DB/Mysql.pm line 209
>  
> Bugzilla::DB::Mysql::bz_lock_tables('Bugzilla::DB::Mysql=HASH(0xb2d3bcc)
> ', 'profiles WRITE', 'profiles_activity WRITE', 'user_group_map
> WRITE',
> 'email_setting WRITE', 'groups READ', 'tokens READ', 'fielddefs
> READ')
> called at Bugzilla/User.pm line 1548
> Bugzilla::User::create('Bugzilla::User', 'HASH(0xb3e0f78)')
> called at Bugzilla/Install.pm line 330
> Bugzilla::Install::create_admin() called at ./checksetup.pl
> line
> 214
> 
> So I decided to check out the DB but I was denied access.
>  
> As MySQL root I set up permissions prior to executing the install
> script.
> mysql> GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,INDEX,
> ALTER,CREATE,DROP,REFERENCES ON bugs.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  IDENTIFIED BY 'SomePassword';
> mysql> FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
> 
> Then I ran the script which gave me the above error.  So I decided to
> cheek out the DB.  As root I executed mysql -u=root (I did not get a
> password prompt, which I thought was way odd since I have set the
> root
> password)
> 
> mysql> show databases;
> ++
> | Database   |
> ++
> | information_schema | 
> | test   | 
> ++
> 2 rows in set (0.00 sec)
> 
>  
> Note, that the database bugs is not listed. However it is in the
> system
> somewhere
> mysql> create database bugs;
> ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost'
>   to database 'bugs'
> mysql> GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,INDEX,
> ALTER,CREATE,DROP,REFERENCES ON bugs.* TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  IDENTIFIED BY 'SomePassword';
> ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost'
>   to database 'bugs'
> 
>  
> I am not very failure with BugZilla..  Any suggestions on how to get
> rid
> of this error and continue installation?
>  

Not sure which distro you're using, but if it's redhat, check your /etc/hosts 
file.   They've
been known to do some funky things to is.

David

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Re: MySQL - Bugzilla help

[David]

- "Bryan O'Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My hosts file has only one entry
> 127.0.0.1 ip-myip.ip.secureserver.net ip-myip
> localhost.secureserver.net localhost.localdomain localhost 
> 

Yeah, thats not right.   Change it to:

127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain  localhost
xx.xx.xxx.x   your.real.fqdn   hostname


replace the xx's and names as appropriate.

It always irked me that redhat did that.  (not bashing.   I prefer RH for a lot 
of things.  I just
don't like that 1 particular thing)

David
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Cut Cables: WAS: Re: Flamebait

[David]

- "Joshua Zeidner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>  thought this is somewhat relevant and worth posting... very ominous
> news:
> 
>  
> http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=lmnu9&subLeft=2&autono=312626&tab=r
> 
>   _4th undersea cable snaps, Qatar-UAE traffic suffers disruption_
> 
>   ""...to have three undersea cables – or is it actually four cables?
> – cut in the same region in just a two-day span, strains credulity;
> the more so, when we look at how the damage has played out across the
> region... communication cable cutting in West Asia leaves Israel and
> Iraq still connected, while completely shutting down the Iranian
> internet. Funny how that works, isn't it?" asks a professor on his
> site. "
> 
>  -jmz


There is only one possible explanation for this:  Cloverfield.

David

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Re: ot: Fourth Amendment... gone forever?

[David]

- "Jason Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> The simple truth is that people are dying on wait lists in Canada,
> Great 
> Britain, and France. Worse, they're made to wait like that after
> having paid 
> 50%+ taxes for their "free" health care.
> 

I don't doubt any of your experiences with HC in Canada, so I trimmed all that 
part.

What I do have a question about is that 50%+ number?   I keep seeing that 
number (and
other, similar ones) tossed around as the cost of HC in other countries, 
however, nobody
has been able to point me to any documents that back that up.   To be clear, I 
have 
no doubt that taxes are higher in Canada, for example.  Maybe even to the 50%+ 
figure.
But those taxes pay for things other than health care.   Does anyone have any 
proof
that the taxes for *only* healthcare are 50%+?  It would seem that if that were 
the 
case, the total taxes would be in exces of 70-80%.

David

/yeah, looking forward to a better HC system in the US.  And yes, I am willing 
to pay
higher taxes for a better system.

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OT: Job posting (oracle/linux)

[David]

Do we have any Oracle DBA's with linux experience on the list that are
looking for a job?

If so, please send me your resume, we are looking for one.

Company: Shamrockfoods
Pay: unknown (I'm not privvy to that)
Duties: Oracle 8i-10g, OAS, RAC, etc

Yes, this is kinda vague, sorry about that.

David

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perl help, please

[David]

I'm trying to write a perl script that will

- read a txt file with name=value pairs
- loop through a shell script (see attached .txt file)
- grab the contents of a particular function
- replace the name=value pairs from the function with the value from the 
txt file

- grab the corresponding case statement from the shell script
- search and replace the values in the case statement
- write it all out to a new file in the correct order.

I need to be able to run this script on about 200 ksh scripts, mostly 
with the same name=value pairs.   However, there are many scripts with 
different/extra name=value pairs.


ex:

It needs to take the abqenv () function, copy the whole thing to newenv 
(), replace all the value of all the variables with the new value that 
it gets from the txt file.   Then put that new function *after* the 
abqapps function.


next, it needs to grab each abqapps) sections (under the case statement) 
and do the same thing.


Unfortunately, it's cutting off the "abqenv () {"  and "}" lines from 
the abqenv part.  argh!



I have attached the perl script I have so far.  Like I said, it mostly 
works.



Please don't laugh too much at the ugliness of my perl.   I'm no perl 
monk by any stretch.


Any tips/help would be appreciated.

Thanks
David


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#!/usr/bin/perl

my @abqcrap;

print "What file will we use for the new values?\n";
chomp($nvars = );

print "Is this the prod user or the dev user?\n";
chomp($user = );

if  ( $user eq "prod" ) {
$oldenv="abqenv";
$newenv="sysenv";
$olduser="abqapps";
$newuser="sysapps";
$oldsid="apabq";
$newsid="apsys";
} else {
$oldenv="devaenv";
$newenv="devsenv";
$olduser="devaapps";
$newuser="devsapps";
$oldsid="apabqd";
$newsid="apsysd";
}

# print "olduser = $olduser\n";

sub domojo2 {
$abqsids="@abqsids";
@search = ($olduser, $oldsid, $oldenv);
@replace = ($newuser, $newsid, $newenv); 
foreach (0..$#search) { 
$abqsids =~ s/$search[$_]/$replace[$_]/g;
}
push (@newfile, $abqsids);

#  Since this line is in the file twice, we need to clear out these 
variables or we end
#  up with the line repeated 
undef $abqsids;
undef @abqsids;
}

sub domojo {
$abqenv = "@abqenv"; # convert it to a string, so we can split it
@abqenv2 = split(/;/, $abqenv); # take the ";" out of each line 

for ($i=0;$i<=$#abqenv2;$i=$i+2) {   # We need to increment by 2, 
not by 1;
push (@varpairs, $abqenv2[$i]); [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]"EXEPATH=${PATHPROD}/${BINCOAD}  LOGPATH=${PRODLOG}/CO/adage  
 AP_USERNAME=M2/[EMAIL PROTECTED] WHSE=003"
push (@exports, $abqenv2[$i+1]); # All the "export XXX" lines. 
need for putting it back together later
}
  
while (<@varpairs>) {
@varpairs = split(/=/); # Take out teh "="
push (@varsonly, $varpairs[0]); # Only the variable names
push (@valuesonly, $varpairs[1]); # Only the values of the 
variables
}

for ($i=0;$i<=$#varsonly;$i++) {

# Give them the value that is in the environment vars file
print "Whats the new value for $varsonly[$i] : 
($User_Preferences{$varsonly[$i]})\n";
chomp ($answ = );
if ($answ eq "") {  # If they just hit 'return', the new 
value will be what the value from the environemtn vars file is.
$answ = $User_Preferences{$varsonly[$i]};   
}
print "answ = $answ\n";
push (@newvalueonly, $answ);
}

push (@newloc, "$newenv () {\n");

for ($i=0;$i<=$#varsonly;$i++) {
$string = "   @[EMAIL PROTECTED]; @exports[$i];\n";
push (@newloc, $string);
undef $string;
}
push (@newloc, "}\n\n");
}

[EMAIL PROTECTED];
open ( FILE, "notdone/$todo" ) or die "cannot open $file: $!";
$foundAbq=0;

# Read in the new environment vars from a file

open ( CONFIG, "$nvars" ) or die "cannot open $file: $!";
while () {
chomp;  # no newline
s/#.*//;# no comments
s/^\s+//;   # no leading white
s/\s+$//;   # no trailing white
next unless length; 

Re: perl help, please

[David]

- "Bart Garst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You're calling 'next' when you encounter the "abqenv () {" line -
> BEFORE 
> you're adding that line to the @newfile array.
> 
> I didn't debug the entire thing, but it also looks like you're doing
> the '
> same thing with the "}" (line 109 in the perl script).
> 
> Hopefully this helps.
> 
> Bart
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I thought that since that part was in the loop where I grab the abqenv () ... } 
part it should be ok.

anyway, I put the "push (@newfile, $_);" line at the top of the while loop 
(line 101).   That fixes the 
'abqenv ... }' problem, but introduces a new problem.  Now, I end up with this:

  abqapps) TWO_TASK=apabq; export TWO_TASK;
   abqenv;;
 devpapps) TWO_TASK=devd; export TWO_TASK;
  sysapps) TWO_TASK=apsys; export TWO_TASK;
sysenv;;
   devpenv;;


instead of this:

  abqapps) TWO_TASK=apabq; export TWO_TASK;
   abqenv;;
  sysapps) TWO_TASK=apsys; export TWO_TASK;
sysenv;;
 devpapps) TWO_TASK=devd; export TWO_TASK;
   devpenv;;

Thanks for the help so far,
David
 
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benchmarking tools

[David]

I have a bunch of redhat servers that I've been tasked with benchmarking over a 
period of time.   I need to be able to 
report cpu, ram, swap, disk io, network io usages, etc.   Pretty much all the 
basic performance metrics.

What do use or have you used to do this?  I'd prefer something that comes with 
the ability to do pretty graphs, reports of some
sort and is FOSS.

Thanks for any insights,
David

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Re: west side during the summer

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote:
> OK,
> I guess I forgot, that it asks me to enter the "library card number" (and a
> password)
> for my GLENDALE  "library card" -- which "some" persons (like, some
> "non-Glendale" residents) do not have.
> Well, I guess ONE of you, can have me log on with MY "library card number"
> (and password),
> -- although I can "probably" only do that for one person at a time.
> ...I forgot how inconvenient it is, to be a "non-" Glendale resident.
> (I have lived in Glendale since Dec 1993...)
> if this causes many "West Siders" to prefer some other location,
> then rest assured that this "meeting room reservation" was
> applied for as a "one time event".
> I thought it [this place] might prove to be a good place for future meetings
> too;  but if that does not happen, then, OK.
> --
> Mike Schwartz
> Glendale  AZ
> schwa...@acm.org
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Bob Elzer  wrote:
>>
>> OK now I found the Right one.
>>
>> It's free, but limited
>>
>>
>> The Glendale Public Library currently offers high speed wireless
>> connectivity at the Main Library, Foothills, and Velma Teague Branch
>> Libraries. All visitors may use the library 's network free of charge and
>> no
>> special encryption settings are required; however, you must abide by the
>> library's Internet Use Policy to connect.
>>
>> What can I access on the wireless network? Users of the Glendale Public
>> Libraries' wireless network are limited to internet access (http/https),
>> which requires an internet browser to be installed on your device. To
>> ensure
>> security for both wireless users and for the library's network, the
>> following popular technologies and protocols are NOT supported:
>>
>>    FTP/TFTP (for file transfers)
>>    POP3/IMAP email clients (Outlook, for example)
>>    VPN (for remote network access)
>>    Telnet/SSH (remote client access/file transfer)
>>
>> http://www.glendaleaz.com/library/Wireless_FAQs.cfm
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>> [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ryan
>> Rix
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:28 PM
>> To: schwa...@acm.org; Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: west side during the summer
>>
>> On Mon 22 June 2009 2:41:21 pm Mike Schwartz wrote:
>> > [3]   the building has free wifi
>> For Glendale Library cardholders (ie, residents), that is. I live at 43rd
>> and Union, thus am unable to use their wifi, for example, without paying
>> 40$/year for a card. And I don't use that library enough to justify it
>> (just
>> read free magazines :3)
>>
>> Any ideas on how to circumvent that? Anyone have an AP they'd be willing
>> to
>> bring/set up?
>>
>> Ryan
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If I could add a few picks, from a former west valley person:

A Shot of Java - Newish coffee place with free wifi, open late, in
downtown Glendale.  Sort of a small place compared to Next Coffee
though.  Various restaurants and such nearby.

Coffee Plantation at Westgate - Free and open wifi, remember doing ftp
and ssh stuff while there once, accessible by Loop 101 and I-10 and
surrounded by other cool things, like places with beer and food.

PHX Public Library (Cholla Branch) at Ghettrocenter - Free wifi (no
card required, I think), mostly soundproof conference room available
for community use.  Accessible via I-17.  No food allowed, but the
mall has food and also free/open wifi.

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Hackfest Address

[David Munson]

When I click the link for the Hackfest address on the PLUG homepage, Google
Maps points to a residential location at 1224 W Northern Ave. 1224 _E_
Northern Ave appears to be the correct address, though a Google web search
suggests this is a University of San Francisco location. I cannot find any
references to a Foundation for Blind Children location at that address. Does
anyone know if they share a building?

I suspect the reason Google Maps points to the 1224 W Northern Ave address
is because there's no street direction specified in the Google Maps link on
the PLUG page.

I felt I'd bring this up here to avoid any last-minute confusion,
particularly since this is a new location.

On a related note, I may have something for Hackfest, if there's still
room/time for a presentation (around 20-30 minutes in length). It should
only require a projector and an internet connection, though I may be able to
work around not having an internet connection. I'm waiting to hear back from
a few people before I say anything more about it here.
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Re: Hackfest Address

[David Munson]

I think developing it for September would probably work best, as I'd like to
be able to answer questions that might come up related to the presentation.
It's essentially a "how-to" demonstration of pen testing, and it may work
really well as an Installfest or ABLEconf topic. The angle I'm going for at
the moment is along the lines of emphasizing the importance of staying
patched and having good passwords. I'd also like to talk about situational
awareness, physical security, and social engineering, since a lot of
security incidents are people walking off (or the owners losing) storage
drives and laptops, though I suspect these things may need to be broken up
into multiple presentations to avoid information overload.

I am by no means a security expert, but it is an area of strong interest,
and teaching something is reportedly one of the best ways to learn it.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Thanks David!
>
> Our schedule is as follows:
>
> FreeIPA from Steven Kaplan in July
> Puppet Theatre in August (full 3 hours of puppetry)
>
> Does your subject fit here, or would you like to develop your idea for
> September or present it at another PLUG event?
>
> On 6/24/09, David Munson  wrote:
> > When I click the link for the Hackfest address on the PLUG homepage,
> Google
> > Maps points to a residential location at 1224 W Northern Ave. 1224 _E_
> > Northern Ave appears to be the correct address, though a Google web
> search
> > suggests this is a University of San Francisco location. I cannot find
> any
> > references to a Foundation for Blind Children location at that address.
> Does
> > anyone know if they share a building?
> >
> > I suspect the reason Google Maps points to the 1224 W Northern Ave
> address
> > is because there's no street direction specified in the Google Maps link
> on
> > the PLUG page.
> >
> > I felt I'd bring this up here to avoid any last-minute confusion,
> > particularly since this is a new location.
> >
> > On a related note, I may have something for Hackfest, if there's still
> > room/time for a presentation (around 20-30 minutes in length). It should
> > only require a projector and an internet connection, though I may be able
> to
> > work around not having an internet connection. I'm waiting to hear back
> from
> > a few people before I say anything more about it here.
> >
>
>
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Re: Sysadmin jobs listed

[David Munson]

Kforce is a recruiting/staffing agency, mostly IT if I recall correctly. I
remember them being fairly efficient and able to answer my questions (or
find the answers) related to the job pretty quickly. I was told some things
that were incorrect, but that turned out to be the company's HR rep giving
Kforce bad information. Never had a problem with them other than the skills
assessment being long and tedious.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Jason Hayes  wrote:

>
> Don't know a thing about Kforce as a company, but came across this job ad
> today.
>
> RedHat Linux System Administrator - Kforce Technology Staffing - Phoenix,
> AZ
> http://www.simplyhired.com/job-id/xdtbqjytla/redhat-linux-jobs/
>
> There were a few others listed below that one as well.
>
> Web Hosting OS Engineer/UNIX (REMOTE) - NEEDED NOW! - 70802.749738
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> Linux/VMware Administrator - NEEDED NOW!! - Phoenix, AZ
>
> Linux Systems Administrator - Judge Group - Phoenix, AZ
>
> Again, don't know anything about the opportunities - not linked in any way
> to
> them or simplyhired.com. Just happened across them this morning.
>
> --
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Re: Certifications as a means of gaining knowlage

[David Munson]

Certifications can be useful for getting your foot in the door when you may
not have the experience yet. Granted, most certifications say you should
have X amount of time doing Y type of work, but I had very little experience
with the subject matter when I passed the A+ and Network+ certifications.
When I go after a certification, it's because I'm looking to get a handle on
the basics for jobs related to it, and because it's something to point to
when I talk to HR about my qualifications.
Additionally, certifications SUGGEST that you have a certain level of
knowledge about a set of topics. I can spend six months doing network
support work and never learn a thing about fiber if I'm at a small business,
but a Network+ certification SUGGESTS that I at least know the difference
between SC and MTRJ connectors, as well as single-mode and multimode fiber.

To put it in fewer words, certifications are good for covering the basics of
a subject, and might get you an interview, but it's the actual experience
that'll probably land you the job.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

> I too do not believe certifications are worth much. With the exception of a
> selling point to customers who don't know better or to help lower your
> insurance premiums.  That said they CAN be a good path to focus your
> learning and gain knowledge however that knowledge is not usually worth more
> then a few months of intensive on the job training.
>
> On a side note I am mojor pet peve, in that I hate companies that requier
> certain certifications for emplyment... If I were to colect ever cert I have
> seen "requierd" for job I was otherwise well qualified for I would have to
> spend about two years and about $100K to obtain them. At which point I could
> get a few years of use and then have to repeat the process ;)
>
> If you want your people to have a prticuler cert you higher the person and
> make continued employment contengent on getting the cert.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Steve Phariss wrote:
>>
>>> Question to the group.
>>>
>>> I know that certificates in and of themselves are not a good indicator of
>>> skill.  But are they a worthwhile goal for knowlege sake?  In particular, I
>>> have been faced with a couple jobs that required Vertualization skills.  I
>>> have very little enterprise experience with vertulization so was concidering
>>> taking a bootcamp course that concludes with a vertulization cert (Certified
>>> Virtualization Expert™ -CVE™)
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any experience with the CVE or Bootcamp classes in
>>> general?
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>> In the old days, we had what were considered "academics".  These were the
>> people who could stand around and spout a million useless details about
>> technology, but in the actual trenches, had no if/then/therefore logical
>> skills.  They were like autistics, in that they could memorize rote, but it
>> often seemed as if the people who actually could excel at the times when
>> someone had to pull raw intelligence and creativity out of a hat, they
>> failed horribly.
>>
>> The people who actually had to work in the fields often found the
>> certifications to be far from what was required to actually master a subject
>> - epic fail for those selling technology or selling management that
>> certifications were actually a good gauge of mastery.
>>
>> So, what started to happen was people who actually were deeply immersed in
>> technology started to attend bootcamps which were given often during a
>> convention, where a full immersal of the student into the subject matter's
>> pure "academics" would occur, whereupon all the useless facts that are never
>> used when implementing and maintaining the technology get retained just long
>> enough to pass the certification.  In this way, everyone could give a Class
>> A subnet answer (even in the days when everyone only used Class C
>> subnetting) for instance for a Cisco CCNA (which I obtained in 1999).
>>
>> I certified in IBM High Speed Networking Technology in the 1980's at
>> USBank, and it was a complete exercise in rote memorization.   I certified
>> on Websphere V in 2006, and nothing had really changed; little on the test
>> actually translated to being able to manage application servers in any real
>> world shop.
>>
>> I doubt very much this has changed with regard to Virtualization quizzes -
>> except that Linux certifications are generally excellent (especially the
>> RHCE - which is a complete PRACTICAL test, no reference materials are
>> allowed, and the student must master the subject on a virtual slice or real
>> machine during the test).  A RHCE is sold to businesses as a way to get a
>> cheaper rate on their RHEL licenses.  I was hired in a contract gig to build
>> new application servers (8 Prod/Dev + 1 database all Dell 1950's 2850's) and
>> clean up Apache security and little Linux issues while they sent their
>> Micro

Re: Laptop (cell phone) in my pocket?

[David Munson]

Don't recall the processor or system make/model, but my brother and I used
to play a game called Offroad that booted from DOS and was just yellow lines
on a black screen. Printer was dot matrix with the tear-off feeder holes on
each side of the paper. First modem was a 56k, but that was a couple
computers later, when we got a 300MHz Compaq Presario.

I wonder if I can salvage the network cards out of them... should be good
enough for a pfsense setup...

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:50 PM, kitepi...@kitepilot.com <
kitepi...@kitepilot.com> wrote:

> >> Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted
> >> yourself lucky!
> Did it..
> Remember when I (AWE...) saw the firs CGA and flew M$ Flight Simulator IN
> COLORS!!!
> All 8 of them!   8)
>
> >> At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards
> Did it too...
>
> >> Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300
> >> baud acoustic coupler.
> >>
> >> Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard.  Get it
> >> right quick or you waste a lot of paper!
> Man, you *ARE* older than dirt!   ;-)
> Your baby...
> ET
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan Dayley writes:
>
> > You little youngsters don't know the meaning of hardship.
> >
> > Back in my day you got monochrome and 40x25 characters and counted
> > yourself lucky!
> >
> > Before that it was fuzzy white on black with a dumb terminal and a 300
> > baud acoustic coupler.
> >
> > Before that it was on a dot matrix printer with a keyboard.  Get it
> > right quick or you waste a lot of paper!
> >
> > At least I'm not old enough to have suffered with punch cards or paper
> > tape or front panel toggle switches.
> >
> > CGA was a wonder for about $600!
> >
> > ;^)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Stephen wrote:
> >> no i was just 5 when i started
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:28 PM,
> >> kitepi...@kitepilot.com wrote:
> > I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going
> >>> Jesus!
> >>> You are *THAT* old?
> >>> Dirt...  ;-)
> >>> ET
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Stephen writes:
> >>>
>  I remember CGA and its pink cyan vomit... i think i preferred going
>  back to ASCII until VGA was out.
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Re: West-Side St(ory/ammtisch) Tomorrow

[David Huerta]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Tuna wrote:
> Top of the morning to ya!
>
> It's that week, the one in which the third wednesday of the month
> occurs. I'm stoked about this one! Here's what's going down this month:
>
> * See & touch (if he lets you) Dave Huerta's toorcamp hard hat

I left a thin veneer of volcanic ash on it too, so y'all can feel the
dust all my stuff was covered with for almost a week.

>
> Last time there was confusion over whether you are meant to bring your
> laptop or not. You are very much encouraged to! There are power outlets

I'm still too traumatized from losing my laptop in a pub in Seattle,
so I probably won't be bringing my other laptop in. :<

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Nmap 5 released!

[David Munson]

Nmap 5.00 has been released! This version adds some interesting capabilities
to an already-impressive open source project. Among these changes are the
addition of Ncat and Ndiff tools, dramatically improved performance, and a
number of improvements to scripts in the Nmap Scripting Engine.
Documentation has been expanded to cover these new features.

Here's a quick list of the 5 most significant changes:
http://nmap.org/5/#5changes
Another list with some further details: http://nmap.org/5/#changes

Download page: http://nmap.org/download.html
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Re: 1984 George Orwell and the Kindle

[David Munson]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Alan Dayley wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Bob Elzer wrote:
> >
> > Apparently if you bought the George Orwell book 1984 on amazon for your
> > kindle, you actually became part of the story today.
> >
> > Amazon deleted the books from your kindle, without permission because the
> > publisher changed it's mind about the offering.
> >
> > Even after you already purchased it. You got your money back of course.
> >
> > But to me this is just theft. Just the same as buying something at sears,
> > and them coming to your house and taking it back in the middle of the
> night.
> >
> > There is all sorts of wrong with this.
> >
> > Here's the link
> >
> http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/some-e-books-are-more-equal-than-o
> > thers/
>
> Amazing.  The holy grail of publishing: licensing for a limited time
> and the ability to pull it back when wanted.
> - No more need to go through the work of releasing a new edition of a
> text book, just take it away from everyone at the end of the semester!
> - Make people sign in to their reader and charge for each different
> person that reads the same book.  Sue anyone who gives out their
> password.
>
> There is a story somewhere out there on the web about a possible
> future.  A future where a guy risks prison by sharing his textbook
> reader password with his new girlfriend so she can study for her
> classes.  I think it was authored by Richard Stallman back in the
> 1980's.  I can't find it or I'd give a link.  More and more it is
> prophetic.
>
> We're getting there.  If the public does not raise outcry over this
> latest move, we're at the threshold of such a world.
>
> There really are two sides at battle here.  Information control for
> profit and information freedom for benefit.  Digital technology
> requires those who would control to take extreme measures.  They stand
> out in stark relief against the freedoms of information we have (had?)
> in the recent past.
>
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There's been some updates to the story... it's not that the publisher
changed it's mind, it's that the publisher never had the rights to the books
in the first place. Amazon says "holy crap that was dumb and we won't be
doing it again."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html?_r=1
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Re: PLUG Security TEST Team: Elance Alert

[David Munson]

Nobody seems to know yet how many records were compromised, judging from
what I can find online.

At least it's not like the UC San Diego Cancer Center breach... 30,000
people notified about a hack that gave access to names & addresses, date of
birth, and medical records.
http://datalossdb.org/incidents/2187-30-000-notified-about-names-birth-dates-and-diagnosis-and-treatment-dates-on-hacked-server

On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00

[David Munson]

Try this: http://java.freenode.net/

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> tonight's agenda is online.
>>
>> http://www.ABLEconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Meeting_Agendas
>>
>> We meet on Freenode's IRC network in #ABLEconf every Sunday night
>> at 20:00.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
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>
> Could someone please tell me (or, remind me) how to do this just using a
> web browser?
>
> The computer I am sitting at, has (Afaik) no
> proper "IRC" client -- but it does have firefox
> and (what I am using now) Google "Chrome".
>
> I think it worked last time, I have just forgotten
> what the secret was.
>
> Thanks,
> --
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> Glendale  AZ
> schwa...@acm.org
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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00

[David Munson]

#ableconf suggests this client as well, it's DHTML and I just checked it
out... better use of screen space IMO

http://webchat.freenode.net/

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM, David Munson wrote:

> Try this: http://java.freenode.net/
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Mike Schwartz 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>>
>>> moin moin,
>>>
>>> tonight's agenda is online.
>>>
>>> http://www.ABLEconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Meeting_Agendas
>>>
>>> We meet on Freenode's IRC network in #ABLEconf every Sunday night
>>> at 20:00.
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> der.hans
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>>
>> Could someone please tell me (or, remind me) how to do this just using a
>> web browser?
>>
>> The computer I am sitting at, has (Afaik) no
>> proper "IRC" client -- but it does have firefox
>> and (what I am using now) Google "Chrome".
>>
>> I think it worked last time, I have just forgotten
>> what the secret was.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
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>> Glendale  AZ
>> schwa...@acm.org
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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00

[David Munson]

Whoops. Didn't reply-all on that last one.

Weird. @ is something I'd expect to see on a username to designate operator
privileges. I've checked out the webchat.freenode.net and it's working OK as
far as I can tell...

I've attached a screenshot (not attaching it to this message to avoid
junking up the list) of what my screen looks like before I hit "Connect" and
it's connected me successfully using the webchat client.

What browser are you using?

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Mike Schwartz  wrote:

> OK, so it sounds like the mibbit client is still too dumb,
> to detect (and tell me) the fact that it is blocked...  Hmm...
> I didn't have this problem
> the previous time, I
> tried to participate in one of these #ABLEconf sessions...
>
> and, even that, does not explain why my session at webchat.freenode.net ,
> is
> not able to see anything, that anyone else is saying.
>
> I did notice that it is displaying my CHANNEL ID as
> #...@ableconf
>
> but I do not know where that "@" came from ...
> (not from me!)
> (at least, not intentionally!)
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Mike Schwartz
> Glendale  AZ
> schwa...@acm.org
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:27 PM, David Munson wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, freenode has blocked the mibbit client, or at least that
>> was the case in June.
>>
>> MikeSchwartz should work fine as a nickname, I'd suggest trying to avoid
>> underscores and other non-alphanumeric characters. And either "ableconf" or
>> "#ableconf" should work for the webchat.freenode.net client.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Mike Schwartz  wrote:
>>
>>> some examples:
>>> in my window (well, tab) using "http://www.mibbit.com/chat/"; I sent
>>> this:
>>>
>>>  20:15 Mike_Schwartz Hello... is anyone there, on 
>>> #ABLEconf<http://www.mibbit.com/chat/#>?
>>> and
>>> in my window (well, tab) using "http://webchat.freenode.net/"; I sent
>>> this:
>>> [20:11] <@Mike_Schwartz_00> Hello!  anyone there?
>>> and
>>> neither one of them, seemed to show up, in the other window (er, umm,
>>> tab) -- !
>>>
>>> any comments / advice?
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Mike Schwartz
>>> Glendale  AZ
>>> schwa...@acm.org
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Mike Schwartz  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I "also" logged on the same channel, at
>>>> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>>>> (since it is recommended),
>>>> with using a slightly different nic
>>>> ("Mike_Schwartz_002", but the "2" got cut off...)
>>>>
>>>> and stuff that I said in ONE window, is NOT showing up in the other!
>>>>
>>>> NO WONDER it seems I cannot "hear" what anyone else is saying...
>>>> write-only memory!
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions / advice appreciated...
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> --
>>>> Mike Schwartz
>>>> Glendale  AZ
>>>> schwa...@acm.org
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Munson 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> #ableconf suggests this client as well, it's DHTML and I just checked
>>>>> it out... better use of screen space IMO
>>>>>
>>>>> http://webchat.freenode.net/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:57 PM, David Munson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Try this: http://java.freenode.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Mike Schwartz <
>>>>>> mike.l.schwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:14 PM, der.hans wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> moin moin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tonight's agenda is online.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ABLEconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Meeting_Agendas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We meet on Freenode's IRC network in #ABLEconf every Sunday night
>>>>>>>> at 20:00.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ciao,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> der.hans
>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could someone please tell me (or, remind me) how to do this just
>>>>>>> using a web browser?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The computer I am sitting at, has (Afaik) no
>>>>>>> proper "IRC" client -- but it does have firefox
>>>>>>> and (what I am using now) Google "Chrome".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it worked last time, I have just forgotten
>>>>>>> what the secret was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Mike Schwartz
>>>>>>> Glendale  AZ
>>>>>>> schwa...@acm.org
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Re: ABLEconf mtg tonight at 20:00

[David Munson]

That makes sense. Similar to what I was thinking, except I didn't account
for the possibility of another network.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:59 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> Am 26. Jul, 2009 schwätzte David Munson so:
>
>  Whoops. Didn't reply-all on that last one.
>>
>> Weird. @ is something I'd expect to see on a username to designate
>> operator
>> privileges. I've checked out the webchat.freenode.net and it's working OK
>> as
>> far as I can tell...
>>
>
> He probably ended up on a different irc network and created the up until
> then nonexistent #ABLEconf. As channel creator he was automagically given
> operator status in the channel.
>
> That also explains why he was in channel with no one else while we were
> having a meeting in the channel :).
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Cottonwood Question?

[David Munson]

Anyone know if existing 2.0 compliant cable modems can be updated to support
3.0 (presumably via firmware), or will I have to get a new cable modem once
3.0 is rolled out in my area?

I have a Linksys BEFCMU10 cable modem and it's served me well for the past 5
years, but I haven't seen anything from Linksys (geared for home use,
anyway) that's DOCSIS 3.0 compliant.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Michael Butash  wrote:

> Most any will work, just avoid the really cheap/off-brand ones
> (best-data frys specials are known by cox to have issues with latest
> infrastructure code, now unsupported).  I'd recommend making sure it's
> at least docsis 2.0 capable, and if you want the really high tiers of
> service (15mb+) get a motorola 6120, as they support docsis 3.0 which is
> rolling out now.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 12:54 -0700, Jason Holtzapple wrote:
> > mike havens wrote:
> > > that was probably a stupid quesxtion; is a cable modem a cable modem...
> > > meaning any of them will work on any system?
> >
> > If cox is the provider, they have a supported list:
> >
> > http://support.cox.com/sdccommon/asp/contentredirect.asp
> >
> > I have and use a Motorola SB5101 and have no issues.
> >
> > --Jason
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Re: AWE... How Kute!

[David Munson]

I have the ISO and a desire to learn. If I manage to do it, I'll let you
know.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Stephen  wrote:

> i wonder if you can attach vlc or something like it to that
> install might make for a lightweight media center base..
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Ryan Rix wrote:
> > Lisa Kachold wrote:
> >
> >> http://tinycorelinux.com/
> >>
> >
> > No, what's Kute, is the KDE 4.3 that was just released. ;) It's kool what
> > you can do with kew-tee. :)
> >
> > Yeah, tinycore looks like fun though. :D
> >
> > --
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> > (623)-826-0051
> >
> >>   1. is qmail as secure as they say?
> >
> > Depends on what they were saying, but most likely yes.
> >-- Seen on debian-devel
> >
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> > AIM:  phrkonaleash| Yahoo: phrkonaleash
> > IRC:  phrkon...@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and
> >  countless other FOSS channels.
> >
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Re: Web based ssh console

[David Huerta]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Shawn Badger wrote:
> Does any on the list know of a good web based ssh client?
> I would prefer it to run on my own system as opposed to going though one
> that I don't have control over.
> It would also be nice if it was able to pass x-windows as well all though
> that isn't a requirement.
>

This won't do X11 forwarding, but for general command line usage, this
AJAX web app seems to work: http://anyterm.org/

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OT: Re: Politics/Ethics: Operation PinWale - Obama AdministrationSeeks Emergency Control of the Internet

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Dorian Monroe wrote:
> In defense of Ryan, the idea that only landowners should be allowed to vote 
> is so absurd that many would consider that "racist".  I took Ryan's reply to 
> be merely mocking the ignorance (and racist undertone) that only landowners 
> should be given the right to vote.  Since we're pointing fingers and all...
>

Its an interesting point to bring up.  Given the historical context,
landowner-only-voting would conjur up a point in American history that
was segregated.  That might make it racially sensitive, however,
outside of its century+ old baggage, I see nothing intrinsically
racist in landowner-only voting; SRP does this currently in its board
election, so you'd have to say they're racist and that anyone giving
them money is supporting racism.

> I bit on the flame bait.  I promise not to comment any more!  :)
>

It gets the better of all of us, eventually...

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Re: Time to Trade in My Blackberry

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Francom wrote:
> I've been keeping an eye on the Nokia N8x series of devices since they
> run Linux.  They will be releasing the n900 soon, and it looks really
> interesting.
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "The Nokia N900 is Nokia's next Maemo device, superseding the N810,
> expected to become available in late 2009. Unlike its Internet Tablet
> predecessors it will include phone functionality with 3G/HSPA
> capabilities. It will run the Linux-based Maemo 5 and is the first
> Nokia device based upon the TI OMAP3 microprocessor with ARM Cortex-A8
> core. It is expected to be revealed at the Nokia World event in
> Germany on September 2nd.
>
> The device will be available in selected markets starting October 2009
> with an estimated retail price of €500 excluding sales taxes and
> subsidies."
>
>
> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
>

I've been anxiously looking forward to the n900; The prospect of a
mobile browser with Flash support will be awesome for making iPhone
users jealous.

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Re: Time to Trade in My Blackberry

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Jim March<1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're willing to spend $700+ just to freak out iPhone owners?
>
> Umm...yeah...you know how AMMO $700 would score?
>
> :)

With ammo prices being what they are now, maybe a small box of .45mm?

As far as the phone's overall price though, that's likely to be
subsidized by a carrier's contract, which can sometimes knock off most
of the phone's MSRP.  Give away the razor, sell the blades...

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Re: LinuxCon RideShare?

[David Huerta]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> Anyone driving to Portland for LinuxCon?
>
> Anyone wanting to rideshare gas (I have a Hyundai 2009 Accent - 37-41mpg
> highway)?
>

I'm very interested in going to LinuxCon, but lack the funds/vacation
time for it. :(

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Re: LinuxCon RideShare?

[David Huerta]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Huerta  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Lisa Kachold 
>> wrote:
>> > Anyone driving to Portland for LinuxCon?
>> >
>> > Anyone wanting to rideshare gas (I have a Hyundai 2009 Accent - 37-41mpg
>> > highway)?
>> >
>>
>> I'm very interested in going to LinuxCon, but lack the funds/vacation
>> time for it. :(
>>
> Hi David,
>
> Yes, LinuxCon registration is $499.00 - but various discounts are available;
> Randal Schwartz was offering one, and other ticket promotions are available
> (ask Google.com).
>

Hmm... I was just noticing they had a pretty fair deal for student
registration, but alas, there's still the matter of getting days off
work.

It looks like they'll be streaming the keynotes for free, so I'll
probably just listen to the audio at work and pretend I'm in Rose
City.

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Re: new west side location or cancel?

[David Huerta]

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:42 AM, der.hans  wrote:
> When I've asked recently the DeVry campus at I-17 and Dunlap has come up
> multiple times. Anyone have a contact over there that might sponsor us?
> Would DeVry give us wireless access along with a room that has a
> projector?
>

DeLUG's incoming Prez is working on finding a faculty adviser for
DeLUG.  I'd imagine he/she would also be willing to sponsor PLUG
meetings on campus.  They don't have public wireless access on campus,
but a few of the rooms have wired ethernet jacks built into the
tables, although since their latest bit of remodeling, that might not
be the case anymore. :(  All the rooms do have projectors, though.

> Any other location suggestions? Anything we can have confirmed by
> tomorrow?
>

The ASU West Campus Library might be a good spot.  They have study
rooms with some limited wifi and I think also projectors.  DeLUG had a
few meetings there in the past.  Its on Thunderbird and 47th Ave.

> Close to a light rail stop could be beneficial.
>

Eh, most of the west valley rail stations are in the 'hood and there's
not too many places along 19th Ave I can think of that would have
proper meeting facilities.

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Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek

[David Huerta]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
>> Actually,
>>
>> I see a good number of .Net references
>
>  Hes probably getting paid for it.  Not Joking.
>
>  -jmz
>

If Microsoft could be that creative in its marketing its Embassy in
the Scottsdale Fashion Square wouldn't have been such an unoriginal
knock-off of the Apple Store.

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Re: Wil Wheatons: Just A Geek

[David Huerta]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/Just-Geek-Wil-Wheaton/dp/059600768X
>
> Anyone read this?  Another Burton Barr find... looks somewhat lame by
> the pic on the back, which is Wil sitting at his Geek Desk, with lots
> of Geek Books, drinking Geek Beer (stout lager), and laughing at some
> unidentified Geek Joke.  A bit too excessive for me to take seriously,
> looks like his agent is trying to rebrand him to the nerd crowd (he
> used to be on Star Trek).  Should be interesting learning what the
> marketing world thinks of Linux users.
>
> rule of thumb: Once and Actor, Always an Actor.
>

A friend of mine met him at Comicon PHX earlier this year.  Weaton
noticed his PAX (Penny Arcade Expo) shirt and started talking about
geeky stuff with him.  He's been a geek figurehead for more than a few
years now.

Plus that desk not terribly over the top geeky; The Defcon badges,
binary clock, Mac G5 ad, nerf gun, and framed poster of the First
Cylon War are worse, and that's just my living room.

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PLUG Group on Identi.ca

[David Huerta]

Hey everyone,

I created a group on Identi.ca for PLUG, pixelated logo and
everything!  Anyway, if you use Identi.ca, the AGPL-licensed
microblogging system (like Twitter, but with source code), check it
out: http://identi.ca/group/plug

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Re: quiet

[David Huerta]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, mike havens  wrote:
> kinda quiet out there in PLUG land!
>

Too quiet...

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Open-Hardware-Centric Group Forming in the Valley

[David Huerta]

Hey everyone,

If you don't already know about HeatSync Labs, its an Arizona
non-profit that wants to create the engineer's equivalent to an
artist's collective.  They're starting up some interesting projects
involving open hardware platforms, such as the RepRap 3D printer and
Arduino, and they'll be hosting a meeting at Gangplank next Thursday
if anyone is interesting in coming along:

http://www.heatsynclabs.org/?p=274

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Re: Open-Hardware-Centric Group Forming in the Valley

[David Huerta]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:31 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> There are lots of days open. This is the second event they've scheduled
> the same night as a nearby event that has now been going for over a
> decade.
>

Nein.  The location only had that day open for HeatSync Labs to meet,
if I recall the board's decision correctly.  Before the location
change that happened last month, meetings were on the 1st and 3rd
Thurs of the month.

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Re: Open-Hardware-Centric Group Forming in the Valley

[David Huerta]

You'll be glad to know that HeatSync Labs has switched its meeting
times to its original 1st/3rd week of the month schedule; We gave the
2nd and 4th Thursdays for the .NET user group to meet at.  Somehow I
don't think we'll have as much of a conflict now.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 7:23 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> Am 10. Jan, 2010 schwätzte David Huerta so:
>
>> If you don't already know about HeatSync Labs, its an Arizona
>> non-profit that wants to create the engineer's equivalent to an
>> artist's collective.  They're starting up some interesting projects
>> involving open hardware platforms, such as the RepRap 3D printer and
>> Arduino, and they'll be hosting a meeting at Gangplank next Thursday
>> if anyone is interesting in coming along:
>>
>> http://www.heatsynclabs.org/?p=274
>
> They chose the same night as our east side meeting in the same area :(.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: Site whoring...

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Craig White  wrote:
> Just launched a new web site for a friend/customer... about 6 weeks of
> development time **whew**
>
> http://www.allasianmassage.com
>
> (a little rushed but seems to be pretty stable and pretty well
> debugged... no money/time for TDD)
>

If I may ask, what's the general compensation rate for Rails site dev
for a site with this sort of functionality?

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Unified PHX Tech Calendar

[David Huerta]

Hey everyone,

For a while now, the idea for an online calendar with all FOSS related
events has been discussed as being something everyone wants.  Having a
single calendar to promote every valley user group would be really
handy to get event notices out to a large, shared audience of people,
and help avoid scheduling conflicts.

In any case, Eventification.com was created last year with similar,
broader aims that encompass the whole valley tech +related
communities, and I've recently been made a moderator for it.  We need
events to be posted on the calendar to make it useful though, and I'd
like to see more FOSS groups represented.  If you're the calendar
[dude|girl] for such a group, please start submitting events, and I'll
try to get them approved/published quickly assuming they don't include
tangent jibber-jabber or viagra spam.

Thanks!

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Re: Unified PHX Tech Calendar

[David Huerta]

Unfortunately there's no easy way to import stuff from an existing
calendar, but the idea has been suggested, and you can even vote on it
to show that its what peeps want:
http://eventification.uservoice.com/forums/22231-general/suggestions/483941-auto-pull-aggregate-events-from-other-sites-rss-?ref=title

.dh

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
> Is there a method for that calender to pull from some existing calendar?
>  It would be nice if you could set something up to pull from the PLUG
> calendar feed directly.
>
> Brian Cluff
>
> On 03/09/2010 09:42 AM, David Huerta wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> For a while now, the idea for an online calendar with all FOSS related
>> events has been discussed as being something everyone wants.  Having a
>> single calendar to promote every valley user group would be really
>> handy to get event notices out to a large, shared audience of people,
>> and help avoid scheduling conflicts.
>>
>> In any case, Eventification.com was created last year with similar,
>> broader aims that encompass the whole valley tech +related
>> communities, and I've recently been made a moderator for it.  We need
>> events to be posted on the calendar to make it useful though, and I'd
>> like to see more FOSS groups represented.  If you're the calendar
>> [dude|girl] for such a group, please start submitting events, and I'll
>> try to get them approved/published quickly assuming they don't include
>> tangent jibber-jabber or viagra spam.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: which t-mobile android phone?

[David Huerta]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>> - As far as I know you will not get any of the following features with
>> any of the Android phones currently available:
>>>
>>> . tether and call at the same time
>
> Hmm. I was told that's possible.
>
>>> . on phone internet connection and call at the same time
>
> Same here.
>

The Nokia N900 wins in this category, since it can, at least according
to this: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/mob/1647231671.html

> Um. No Google account. Well, OK, I now have one for work, so I'll get to
> use this, but that's not where my important contacts and preferences will
> be listed.
>

No need for a Gmail account on the N900, but with a fully-fledged
(yes, even plugins) Firefox browser on Maemo you can use Gmail or
virtually any other website just as if it were on a Linux netbook,
even Flash sites.

>
> I just learned that t-mobile is doing 2 for 1 on droid phones, so I'll
> have a spare droid anyway :).
>

The Droid looks like it came from the 70s and everyone I know who has
one complains that the keyboard keys are too teeny tiny.


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Re: Unified PHX Tech Calendar

[David Huerta]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:43 PM, der.hans  wrote:
> Can Eventification handle recurring events?
>

Not quite, although if you search for past PLUG events, you can copy
that event to a new one and just change the date to create the next
event.

> It would be nice if there was info on the Eventification as to what can be
> done w/o having to create a burn account.
>

Each user creates their own account; Any user can submit an event for
any group (and have that appear on the calendar after moderator
approval), and each user can specify what topics they'd like to
subscribe to. Once you log in you'll see and RSS and iCal link to add
your custom topic feed to whatever desktop calendaring system the kids
are using these days.  I have my custom feed tied into Evolution's
calendar, for example.  You can also grab a feed for specific topics
without creating an account by using the API directly:
http://eventification.com/api

> The submit an event link on the login page is borken.
>

It seems to be working now, but if its not again, there's a uservoice
page to submit feature requests and fix requests:
http://eventification.uservoice.com/forums/22231-general

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Linux-compatible Embedded Board Recommendations?

[David Huerta]

Hey everyone,

I'm looking for a custom Linux-compatible embedded computer board akin
to the Beagleboard to run a bare-bones Linux system.  Hardware
requirements:

* Relatively low power consumption
* Ethernet
* Preferred open hardware spec
* Maybe a serial port to terminal in
* Price < $200
* Enough disk/non-disk space to run a very basic Linux install

All its really going to do is run some network utilities behind the
scenes and collect dust, so there's no real need for VGA, HDMI, USB,
etc.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,

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Re: Open HackFest for June

[David Huerta]

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> We are planning a hands on open competition hackfest in June, complete with
> targets and forensics.
>
> We need suggestions as to where and when to host this event.
>
> I am promoting UAT?  What does everyone think?
> We are thinking a Weekend event, rather than a weeknight.
>

This sounds like fun. :)  I recommend checking out what days would
have less stuff going on Eventification, then listing the event for
better exposure beyond PLUG: http://eventification.com/browse

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Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?

[David Huerta]

Spouting broken logic is something I can tolerate, but putting words
in my mouth is something that I won't.  As a libertarian, I don't like
mob mentalities in general is something I am very much against,
especially when it leads to violence.  I said specifically that I was
against laws that are detrimental to federalism and fundamental rights
to privacy.  Source:
http://huertanix.tumblr.com/post/552777872/this-seriously-went-on-for-like-two-days

Some of us have more important things to do than play internet
superman, so if you want the PLUG mailing list to be your playground,
then by all means, take it.  Print this email out and stick it on your
fridge with a gold star and glow proudly at what you've accomplished
on a linux mailing list.  The rest of the world has shit to do.

Ubsubscried,

.dh

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Joshua Zeidner  wrote:
>
>
>    this is coming from someone who stated that he does not find the actions
> of this mob to be objectionable.
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEmez3J4nIw&feature=related
>    -jmz
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 5:40 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> It should be marked as OT. The thread doesn't really have anything to do
>> with Linux  anymore.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Slowphone provided by Allfail
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: j...@actionline.com
>> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:32:56
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: ditching Apple products due to boycotts?
>>
>>
>> This is the best topic (the content, not the subject line) that I have
>> ever seen on PLUG ... even if it is "Off Topic."
>>
>> http://www.phoenixrally.com/ is the best thing I've seen happen in the
>> nine years I've lived in Arizona.  I hope everyone on this list will
>> forward this web address to everybody they know and urge everyone to sign
>> this petition.
>>
>> http://www.numbersusa.com/petition?ID=15
>>
>>
>>
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Re: PPC Linux

[David Huerta]

>
> I will be installing linux on a mac g4.
> I was wondering if anyone is currently running a ppc linux server and if
> so any distro recommendations.
>

I run YellowDog Linux on my iBook G4, but have found that there's not
a lot of pre-built packages for various applications available
(Banshee, for instance) as there are with other non-PPC distros or
even other PPC distros such as SuSE, which seems to have more than
plenty of rpms out there.  The version of Gnome and its bluetooth
applet also doesn't seem to tie into Gnome's bluetooth manager as it
does on Ubuntu under x86, from what I can tell too.

Other than that, YDL worked with mostly everything out of the box,
save for 3D video acceleration (ATI FAIL) and WiFi (for lack of
Broadcom specs available).

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Re: GCC C/C++ application to run on Windows

[David Bendit]

Jon M. Hanson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:02:20AM -0700, keith smith wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm thinking of writing a small application that can run on both Linux and 
>> Windows written in GCC C/C++ that will utilize MySql running on Linux .
>>
>> Initially I need the application to run on Windows XP or Vista and connect 
>> to the Linux box to access MySql.
>>
>> Is it possible to write an application using GCC that will run both on Linux 
>> and Windows?? If so what should I be looking into?
>>
>> Is there a better approach? 
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Keith
>> 
> 
> It's not possible because Linux and Windows use different executable
> file formats.
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Using some pre-compiler flags and logic, it wouldn't be too hard to
write code that would compile on both systems, though you cannot run the
same executable on both systems.

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Re: blow me away, Alex Costellanos on CNN tonight

[David Huerta]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> at 11:11 pm AZ time (probably can find it in a transcript eventually)...
>
> Alex Costellanos, a talking head on CNN this election cycle with the
> title of Republican Strategist just complemented Obama's speech on the
> concept of bottom up and made a direct comparison to the ESR essay 'The
> Cathedral and the Bazaar' and representing the change of philosophy from
> the proprietary Microsoft type software to the Open Source movement.

These are the things I miss for not owning a TV...

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Re: OT: Linux - Stop holding our kids back

[David Huerta]

> Interesting article about how a teacher took away Linux disks from a kid
> who was passing them out.
>

I'm speechless.  I think this pretty much sums it up though:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/backinblack1979/picard_facepalm.jpg


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Re: Epic Epoch Time Party Time

[David Huerta]

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Tuna  wrote:
> I'm sure you are all aware of the UNIX epoch, and how it will be
> 1234567890 on the night of Friday the 13th, 23:31:30. I suggest that we
> have a PLUG party on this night to go down in history. We will all watch
> the clocks on our laptops (we'll sync times of course) until that one
> moment...
>
> 28... 29... 30! *POP*
>

This might be relevant to my interests...

> Now I may not be able to attend, as my parents are having a conflicting
> 70s-80s record party (not kidding), but I shall attend via IRC if this
> thing goes down.

80s record party?  Wouldn't that be like voluntary rick-rolling?

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Re: Hackfest Linux Security Series: Security Distros

[David Huerta]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> Backtrack 4 Beta is available, but so is Samarai (from InGuardians) and
>  more:
> BackTrack
> Chaox-NG
> Damn Vulnerable Linux ( DVL )
> DEFT
> FCCU
> Frenzy
> grml
> Hakin9
> Helix
> HeX
> KCPentrix
> Knoppix-NSM
> Network Security Toolkit ( NST )
> nUbuntu
> Ophcrack
> OSWA Assistant
> OWASP Labrat
> Protech
> Russix
> Samurai
> Stagos FSE
>

Whatever happened to Knoppis-STD?  Or am I missing a name change?

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Friends of Gnome

[David Huerta]

For fellow Gnome fans,

The Gnome Foundation has recently began promoting a "Friends of Gnome"
fund raiser for the Gnome Foundation.  Funds will be used for various
things related to improving and promoting Gnome/GTK+/FLOSS.  Last
year, this included a GTK+ hackfest.  If interested, go here:

http://www.gnome.org/friends/

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Re: OT: Speed Cams

[David Huerta]

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Alan Dayley  wrote:
> Please stop this thread.  Yes, it is appropriately marked "OT" for
> off-topic.  Yes, many on this list enjoy law/politics/ethics/etc.
> discussions.  However, every time in recent history that we have had
> an off topic thread go to long, people leave this list and the group.

Seconded... although for full disclosure I should note that every time
I see a traffic cam, I'll I imagine a zombie George Orwell smashing it
to bits with a cricket bat.

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Re: OT: Most fun in Arizona?

[David Huerta]

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Josef Lowder  wrote:
> What are the most fun things to do in Arizona?
> I moved here from Washington state  8 years ago
> and while I am now aclimated and glad to be here,
> I do miss all of the incredible variety of things that
> we so much enjoyed doing in Western Washington.
> When we have guest from out of town, I am hard
> pressed to think of things to suggest.
>
> So, what do you good plug friends recommend?

The Phoenix Valley is a huge metropolis with lots of big-city stuff to
check out, so if you haven't, I recommend checking out:

The Phoenix Art Museum
The Phoenix Science Center
Tempe Town Lake
The Phoenix Zoo
Some other zoo everyone is talking about in the far west valley that I
haven't visited yet and am too lazy to Google...
Papago Park
Arizona Capitol
The light rail route - take all of it, for fun, and end up at Super Target
Various golf courses, if you're into that
Pop the Soda Shop

Since you're from the Pacific Northwest, I'm going to assume you have
an above-average taste in coffee, in which case then, I recommend
visiting:

Cartlel Coffee Lab (Downtown Tempe)
Solo Cafe (Tempe near the Guad)
E61 Espresso Bar at Liberty Market (Downtown Gilbert)
Copper Star Coffee (Downtown Phoenix)
Press Coffee (Northeast Phoenix)
Coffee VanGo (Tucson)

Also, there's a slew of stuff that happens everywhere on weekends and
sometimes weekdays.  ASU and UAT sometimes bring in geek-famous
celebrities like Steven Hawkings and Ray Kurvweil for public talks
ImprovAZ organizes medium-to-large-scale pranks every now and then,
and there's the First Friday art walk in downtown Phoenix.  I
typically find stuff listed on Yelp or by trolling the Twitter public
feed for #PHX.  I actually know an ASU student that has lived on free
food for a week by doing this, too. :)

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RE: Best first programming language

[David Demland]

At the risk of starting a flame war I would say the best is C#. If you look
at both Tech Republic and CIO Magazine both have had articles in the last
four or five months that listed .Net in the top ten skill sets for the
current economy. Also as our office has been in the shutdown mode since
November I have been scanning over 20 different job boards since and
overwhelming there are more job posting for C# .Net Web programmers than any
other area.

If your goal is to get a job as a business programmer it seems that C# and
.Net will give you the best chance to get a job.

Just my observations.

David

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Subject: Best first programming language


I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.

A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer
course in programming. His goal is to become a business applications
programmer.

He asked me what language he should start with. I'd guess the prgramming
landscape is changing with more services going into the cloud.

Joseph, Hans, Charles I'm sure you have opinoins and I welcome anyone elses.

My friend, Ian isn't on the list so I'll point him to gmane.org to follow
the discussion.

dennisk

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Re: Best first programming language

[David Huerta]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:12 AM, Dennis Kibbe
 wrote:
> I searched the archive but didn't find a previous discussion about this.
>
> A friend who graduates from high school next week wants to take a summer 
> course in programming. His goal is to become a business applications 
> programmer.
>
> He asked me what language he should start with. I'd guess the prgramming 
> landscape is changing with more services going into the cloud.
>

According to some of the recent studies from the IEEE Computer Society
I've read, Java is still king of business application development
(.NET also ranks highly).  So, for that specific goal I would
recommend Java, for its market utility as well as the fact that its a
nice sandbox'd and very object oriented language.  I'd ask what sort
of company he would like to work for though, as well-established
companies tend to go with languages and technologies made by
well-established companies and/or stuff from the 70s.  Smaller
companies, startups, consulting shops, etc. tend to lean more towards
PHP, Ruby, etc.

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Re: senior network admin - godaddy.com

[David Huerta]

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Charles Jones
 wrote:
> Jason Hayes wrote:
>> Not sure if this has been posted here yet or not.
>>
>> Godaddy.com is looking for a senior network admin (posted 5/18/09)
>>
>> Job specs and application form online at,
>>
>> http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?ipath=rss&siteid=RSS_PD&Job_DID=J3F3YP79PB8KY3LD16B&cbRecursionCnt=1&cbsid=0f4fda8db8a44606a5e8471a6b22f92d-296231095-
>> x1-6
>>
> I think godaddy has a high turnover rate, because they seem to always be
> hiring senior network/sys admins. I have also heard of more than a
> couple of people who said they worked there in the past and did not
> recommend it.
>

Ditto.  I've heard almost nothing but horror stories from people that
have worked there or know people that have worked there.

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RE: Linux Router for windows network?

[David Demland]

Actually I have a Debian box as my choke router which is used as a router
for the internal network. I use a book by Robert Ziegler called Linux
firewalls. I used the first edition when I first setup my firewall using
ipchains. The second edition I used when I moved to iptables. It is a great
book to start with and you will learn a lot. The ISBN is 0-7357-1099-6.

David

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Subject: Linux Router for windows network?


I believe it is possible to setup a Linux computer to act as a router
for a small windows network. Does anyone on the list know of a book or
article that explains how to set this up.
It sounds like a good idea, is it possible?
I am a newbie so be kind!
Mike Enriquez :)

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Re: first ABLEconf mtg tonight

[David Munson]

Is that 20:00 AZ time?

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:47 PM, der.hans  wrote:

> moin moin,
>
> just a reminder that the first ABLEconf mtg is tonight.
>
> http://www.ABLEconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Meeting_Agendas
>
> Meetings held in #ABLEconf on irc.FreeNode.net.
>
> Meetings are Sundays at 20:00.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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Re: first ABLEconf mtg tonight

[David Munson]

Freenode's a IRC network... do you have an IRC client? If not, firefox has
an addon one called ChatZilla that works well enough. There's also xchat and
a few others. I've been on IRC nearly every day for the last 6 or 7 years...

Basically, you want to install and run an IRC client, then once you've got
it running, there'll be a text entry box somewhere, usually at the bottom of
the screen. type in

/server irc.freenode.net

and then hit Enter... wait a bit, it should tell you you're online, then
type

/join #ableconf

and hit Enter again, and it should pop you into the channel for the meeting.

If you don't want to install one, this should work well:
http://www.mibbit.com/
Mibbit is ajax-based. If you've any questions, I'm here... or on IRC. :D

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:47 PM, der.hans  wrote:
>
>> moin moin,
>>
>> just a reminder that the first ABLEconf mtg is tonight.
>>
>> http://www.ABLEconf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Meeting_Agendas
>>
>> Meetings held in #ABLEconf on irc.FreeNode.net.
>>
>> Meetings are Sundays at 20:00.
>>
>> ciao,
>>
>> der.hans
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RE: Versioning system - Subversion Vs. Git

[David Demland]

I had to address this at work recently and we are moving to SVN. There were 
many factors that were import to me for a tool select that have not been talked 
about here. For example it was extremely important that a particular version 
matched what was deployed in the field, and that this version was automatically 
updated in source files after the code was checked in and done before the final 
build. It was also important that the system was able to handled in a work 
order type process so that each and every fix could be tied to an issue. There 
are many way for these items to be handled, as well as others, but we found 
that SVN provided the best overall solution. I have written a paper on others 
issues that a version control system needs to address if you would like to read 
it. It is found at: 
http://worldaccordingtodave.com/ReferenceMaterial/Papers/UsingVersionControl.aspx.

David

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From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us 
[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 3:08 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Versioning system - Subversion Vs. Git

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Thomas Gail Haws  wrote:
>
> That's what you would think.  And that's what Git does (in a devious, 
> compact, efficient way that's better than saving a version of the entire 
> file).  Which may help explain why it's so well received.
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> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 2:24 PM, keith smith  wrote:
>>
>> I guess I need to dig deeper.  I thought that was the core of what a 
>> versioning system does -  saves each version at commit so you will have a 
>> different file each time you "save".
>>
>> 
>> Keith Smith

Hi Keith - weather you go SVN or Git of something else - you might
want to read the first parts of the Red Bean book - it is a good intro
to general version contro issues. If you like Subversion you should
look into Trac as a nice project environment
[http://trac.edgewall.org/] that I should probably do a presentation
on fairly soon.

For the website config, or DNS config etc I would go with Subversion
because having a "just one deployed known good" config will aid your
sanity - and if you ever deploy Cfengine, well, you're all set to go.
On the devel side, Talk to your developers, you may find they already
are big Git users.

>>
>> --- On Tue, 12/7/10, Judd Pickell  wrote:
>>
>> From: Judd Pickell 
>> Subject: Re: Versioning system - Subversion Vs. Git
>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
>> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 1:54 PM
>>
>> I haven't seen anything in your posts that would indicate that GIT
>> would be better than SVN for your needs, with the exception of the
>> following:
>>
>> >
>> > Basically all I need is a way to track updates and keep someone from over 
>> > writing someone else's changes.
>> >

Subversion does locking and the pre-commit hooks can be useful too.

>>
>> Obviously there is no absolutely certain way to prevent someone from
>> overwriting another person's changes. However with GIT you would get a
>> more comprehensive way to compare and evaluate changes to figure out
>> how to solve the issue when such things happen. I prefer SVN myself,
>> but only more for familiarity than any other reason.
>>

This is Git's real strength because your developers will all be peers
- one of the reasons I think Linus wrote git the way he did was so
that each developer would have a Linux repository, first class and
real, and that the Linux kernel as most of us know it is really "just"
Linus's Linux repo. So he can retire anytime he wants.  ;)

Ed
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Setting Up Bind9 Test

[David Demland]

I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I
have setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack
system to check the DNS server I get a message "This server is not replying
to recursive requests". I have added "allow-recursion { any; };" to my
configuration file. Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What do I have to
do to allow on the DNS server for the Backtrack system to do the recursive
request?

 

Thank you for your help,

 

David

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RE: Setting Up Bind9 Test

[David Demland]

Lisa and Michael,

 

Thank you for your input. I did not think about the rndc so I reloaded just for 
the heck of it. Yet I am still not getting Metasploit to show the recursive 
call working. Here is the named.conf.options file:

 

options {

directory "/var/cache/bind";

dump-file "/var/cache/bind/data/cache_dump.db";

statistics-file "/var/cache/bind/data/named_stats.txt";

recursion yes;

auth-nxdomain no;# conform to RFC1035

allow-recursion { any; };

allow-query { any; };

//  allow-query-cache { any; };

listen-on port 53 { any; };

};

 

I was unable to get the allow-query-cache line to load, I am not sure what I 
did wrong.

 

I did find the same pages and I have been through them, but I do not see what I 
am missing. What else am I missing?

 

Thank You,

 

David

 

P.S.

 

Lisa – thank you so much for yesterday. You have really given my class a lot to 
talk about. I am looking forward to class this week with them to see what else 
is said.

 

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[mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Lisa Kachold
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:48 PM
To: Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Setting Up Bind9 Test

 

Hi David!

Nice to see you on Saturday!  

Bind9 can be fussy (rndc controls everything).

You ARE changing the right item to turn recursion on. 
http://www.eukhost.com/forums/f15/turning-off-dns-recursion-bind-2283/

But you can also do this in a Bind9 ACL using the "Views" feature:
http://www.bind9.net/manual/bind/9.3.1/Bv9ARM.ch07.html
http://oreilly.com/pub/a/oreilly/networking/news/views_0501.html

Are you restarting named after a change? "/etc/init.d/named restart"
If you have rndc are you reloading?  "rdnc reload"

Do you have logging turned on, so you can see what is happening?  
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto

Are you editing the right file?  There's a chroot?  "locate named.conf"



On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:27 AM, David Demland  wrote:

I am trying to set up a DNS poisoning test as an example for my class. I have 
setup both an Ubuntu 6.10 and 10.10 server. When I use my Backtrack system to 
check the DNS server I get a message “This server is not replying to recursive 
requests”. I have added “allow-recursion { any; };” to my configuration file. 
Yet the Backtrack system still fails. What do I have to do to allow on the DNS 
server for the Backtrack system to do the recursive request?

 

Thank you for your help,

 

David


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