Re: A Linux Accessibility story

[Technomage Hawke]

I may have to dig up  his email. I use VINUX here (when I am not using OS X on 
the mac). and yes, I am more than a little frustrated with companies that seem 
to think I am the goose that laid the golden egg. the Linux laptop I got 18 
months ago as a donation machine from PLUG and it performs well. the only issue 
with it is how pricey the replacement LiON battery is for it. otherwise, I can 
word process on it, browse the web and do a few other things (including 
programming my ham radios with Chirp). it is not my only machine. I use an 
older systemm that I managed to shoehorn OS X onto. that I use for most other 
tasks (they don't make an accessible Skype for linux so far as I know). between 
these 2 machines and the iPhone 3GS, I am pretty well set as far as my 
computing needs go.

my screen reader of choice on VINUX is ORCA. it works well with gnome 3 and 
some of the other GTK based desktop managers. there is currently work underway 
to make KDE equallly accessible, but I don't see that happening all that fast. 
sitll, it is happening.

He was a little low on the cost of JAWS for windows: the price is $890 + $250 
per year for a service/maintenance agreement. this is designed for windows 
platform desktops and laptops only. tThis will not cover the possibilities for 
the various brands of smartphone that uses windows. for that, code factory has 
created a $400 accessibility package. it does allow you to make almost all of 
the phone accessible, but not all. it will not read certain graphic based 
network settings pages, nor will it allow you to change some base settings of 
the phone itself (something to do with the interface). On some of the windows 
6.5 smartphones (of which I own one), this mobile speak package will crash at 
odd intervals, requires you to register by either internet, sms or or wi-fi. 
the only rub: it will not read you anything other than "please update your 
subscriptions". this, in my honest assessment, is either a design flaw or 
someones malicious humor. to tell you that I hate it speaks volumes
 . I get better performance out of my iPhone with voiceover. its easy, 
intuitive and lasts a lot longer in use. also, my iPhone will talk with my mac. 
the windows phone won't and its interface (when tested on a properly equipped 
windows box with NVDA would not speak anything in the activesync window.

so, given the problems with microsoft products of late, and the exhorbidant 
costs, they are just not worth it. apple and VINUX win hands down for easy 
setup and ease of use.

-eric

On May 28, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> I thought some of our sight impaired members might not have seen this
> on distrowatch:
> 
> Feature Story (by Robert Cole)
> Linux accessibility - what is it and why does it matter
> 
> A note to readers. This article focuses on accessibility from the
> standpoint of a blind user. There are other assistive technologies
> available for users with other disabilities in the Linux world, but
> due to my lack of experience with these technologies I do not feel
> comfortable writing about them. I offer a sincere apology for this.
> 
> We live in a society today that is laden with many different terms
> which have multiple meanings, and sometimes one simply looks at a
> specific term but not its underlying definition. One of the terms
> which we will look at today is that of "accessibility", not to be
> confused with "usability". Although both of these terms often go
> hand-in-hand, they are two separate areas when it comes to technology.
> 
> Before we get into this mysterious word, "accessibility", let me first
> introduce myself. My name is Robert Cole. I have been a Linux user now
> for nearly seven years, five years of which I have been an exclusive
> user of this excellent and open platform. So, what makes me any more
> "different" than other users? Well, I am not trying to be boastful of
> the fact, but I am a blind user. For the record, however, I am not
> totally blind, but I am pretty close. I suffer from an eye disorder
> known as microphthalmia, which basically means "small eyes". I have no
> sight in my left eye, and a very small amount (literally 20/2000) in
> my right eye. And yes, I love using Linux.
> 
> I will not completely go into detail about why I use Linux. Suffice it
> to say that if you are a blind Windows user, you are, for the most
> part, a target of big name companies who make extremely pricey
> software products (namely screen readers and screen magnifiers as well
> as other technologies) which allow you the "privilege" of using your
> computer system. You literally would have to pay for two or more
> additional computer systems just to be able to use the one you already
> have, not including the upgrade costs for said software. Not very
> nice, is it? But that's life if you are blind and you are "into"
> computers. Well, it used to be for me.
> 
> 
> What is this "accessibility"?
> 
> I am certain that those of you who are readin

Re: I got a message from google this morning.

[Technomage Hawke]

changing passwords often is definitely a good rule to live by. making them 
memorable should also be made easier, especially if you use a couple of tricks. 
I won't go into them here as this list is publicly searchable. 

one thing I use (on a mac) is a keychains file. you have to know the user 
password to open it and you also have to confirm that password to view the 
password field in each entry. this allows me to memorize 1 password and make 
any of the site specific passwords as complex as I want. I am not sure they 
have such a key management setup in linux, but it would probably be a good idea.

also, generate a gpg key pair, put your public key on the remote shell machine, 
change the settings in sshd.conf to use that public key (this will turn off the 
password prompt). this way, getting into your remote shell sessions gets a lot 
harder for would-be attackers. its little tricks like these that will save you 
a lot of problems later.

btw, as soon as I change passwords on my accounts, keychains comes up and asks 
if I would like to save the new password. I say yes and go on with life. mind 
you, keychains is an OS X thing, but there should be similar utilities for 
linux (and if there is not, someone can code one).

-eric

On May 14, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> You can display the mail headers of any Google message:
> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=22454
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> That will verify the IP sender and other information.
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> Irregardless of the security of your account or veracity of this message, 
> change your password.  Change them often, do not share them between other 
> accounts.
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> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:
> > On May 13, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
> >> This is the second message I've gotten from them telling me someone
> >> broke into my account. [...] Is google just filling us with paranoia
> >> or is someone really hacking me?
> From: Alex Dean 
> > Are you sure that message is from Google? Could be more phishing.
> 
> Phishing attempts are usually totally obvious if you look at the full headers
> of a message and/or the href= attributes of any links within the HTML portions
> of a message.  So:  Take a look at the message's raw source and find out.
> 
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> work account tomorrow morning, since whoever's in charge of mail filtering
> there seems to miss a lot of stuff)
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Re: I got a message from google this morning.

[Technomage Hawke]

Before I went total a couple of years back, I used to play WoW and after they 
got their mail database compromised, I would start getting loads of PHISHES, 
spam and other mails. So, I made a new gmail account specifically for WoW and 
changed the email in WoW to reflect this. I still get spams and malicious mails 
purporting to be from blizzard, even though I haven't been in the game for 
slightly longer than 2 years. That WoW only gmail address? still empty after 
all this time. between this and the authenticator, my account was fairly 
secure. BTW, anyone want a WoW account with a bunch of inactive level 80's 
sitting there? I never did go into cataclysm and it seems a shame to have the 
authenticator sitting here unused. Blizzard was kind enough to send me the 
proceedure by which I could give the account to someone else (I still have that 
email). 

-eric

On May 13, 2012, at 8:44 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> The one such message I got from google was real.  The person also got into 
> and stole my Blizzard account before I got an authenticator.
> 
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Matt Graham  wrote:
> > On May 13, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
> >> This is the second message I've gotten from them telling me someone
> >> broke into my account. [...] Is google just filling us with paranoia
> >> or is someone really hacking me?
> From: Alex Dean 
> > Are you sure that message is from Google? Could be more phishing.
> 
> Phishing attempts are usually totally obvious if you look at the full headers
> of a message and/or the href= attributes of any links within the HTML portions
> of a message.  So:  Take a look at the message's raw source and find out.
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> work account tomorrow morning, since whoever's in charge of mail filtering
> there seems to miss a lot of stuff)
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> Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to 
> multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or 
> CC:. Remove all addresses from the message body before sending a Forwarded 
> message. This can prevent spy programs capturing addresses from the recipient 
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Re: HackFest Call for Recommendations

[Technomage Hawke]

I am not sure who you can contact at DeVry, but I am sure they would welcome a 
bunch of tech heads for HackFests or even InstallFests. 21st Ave and Dunlap is 
not far off the freeway and is a bit more centrally located for those of us who 
live out west. if that is too far north, then there is always the phoenix 
college campus located near 15th ave and  Thomas rd. I am not sure who to 
contact there either. both places would make excellent alternatives.

-eric
 
On May 11, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> I have been unable to determine the status of the the MakerBench facilities, 
> after getting a second cancellation notice from Dean Franks STACS 
> Presentation allegedly because MakerBench was moving.  Does anyone have any 
> information?  Calls and emails have not been successful?
> 
> We have more than a few people requesting that we move the Hackfests to 
> Phoenix.  Or coordinate them with Installfests at UAT?  
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> summer with PLUG Hackfests.
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Re: Linux Administrators

[Technomage Hawke]

ouch! that is not what I would want to deal with. I don't do office politics 
and can be very intolerant of those who practice it (this is probably why my 
last real employment back in 1989 didn't work out well). It absolutely amazes 
me how people can behave in a work environment. I may not be a good team 
player, but I do recognize the effectiveness of a good working team.

-eric

On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Michael Butash wrote:

> Cool work there probably yes, but well run I wouldn't say.  They have a long 
> standing history of internal conflict, turning over entire groups, and just 
> plain nasty politics that stems from down deep.  That said they have plenty 
> of budget in a "too big to fail" sort of way.  I'd inquire why so many people 
> have quit there over the past 6 months, and unfortunately it's not the dead 
> weight they carry leaving in mass.
> 
> Word to the wise - stay contract or make it worth your sanity.  :)
> 
> No soapbox or nastiness here, just keeping expectations real as someone that 
> had more than minor dealing with them for a good while, and out of respect 
> for those here.
> 
> -mb
> 
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> On 04/10/2012 08:06 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> A few positions are open at ApolloGroup/University of Phoenix for Linux
>> Administrators.
>> 
>> This is a great well run technically managed shop with lots of
>> diversity, blinky lights and engrossing linux work!
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>> Apollo Group | Talent Acquisition
>> 4035 S. Riverpoint Parkway | Phoenix, AZ 85040
>> phone: 408.600.1244  | email: _tim.be...@apollogrp.edu
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Re: Linux Administrators

[Technomage Hawke]

I wish I could do that now. I am in need of some retraining (including learning 
braille). thats the problem with some opportunities, you can't take advantage 
of them because circumstances won't permit it. :(

-eric

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reader needs help urgentlyopen source screen

[Technomage Hawke]

hello everyone.

this may be a windows centric opensource project, but the goal is honorable. 
that goal: provide a low cost (or free) alternative to blind windows users. 
Right now, for a blind user to use windows, they either go with NVDA or do 
without because very few of them can afford the nearly $900 plus yearly SMA 
contract (another $250). I know a lot of people are short on funds given the 
economy, but we (the blind) are hit far harder than most. 

here is the letter the NVDA project sent to me this morning:

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> Dear nvda users,
> 
> Sorry for the long email, please bare with us to the end.
> 
> The time has come to show your appreciation and your determination for NVDA 
> development to continue.
> Due to the economic downturn NV Access has received less grants than what we 
> would have hoped for.
> 
> We all have a duty and an obligation to request from the organizations 
> working for the blind such as the RNIB, UK or AFB/NFB, USA or the appropriate 
> blind organization in your country, to tell them that NVDA has been and 
> continues to be a useful and valuable tool to provide accessibility for all 
> of us and that they should promote and sponsor the excellent work that is 
> being done.
> 
> Despite all the politics and the slow movement within organizations, we the 
> real NVDA users are able to keep NVDA development going
> if each one of us took their responsibility seriously.
> This is without having to wait for organizations or companies to give grants 
> to NV Access.
> 
> Due to many advantages, benefits and unique features of NVDA, the number of 
> NVDA users are growing but sadly the personal donations are not matching this 
> increase and are often not regular.
> 
> What we want to say clearly is that any regular donation large or small, will 
> keep Jamie and Michael in their full time employment working for NVDA.
> What we have to remember is that they are two blind individuals like you and 
> me, but are gifted with rare skills that many of us could benefit from.
> 
> We should work hard not to put them in a situation where they have to choose 
> between doing something that they love and beleave in (improving NVDA), and  
> having to provide the necessities for their families and children.
> 
> The current funding is able to keep both of them employed until september 
> this year, and if the donations haven't increased by then
> they may have to look for alternative employment.
> 
> Even if one of them leaves and the other continues the work load  will be a 
> lot harder, and progress will be much slower.
> This will directly impact on us because we will have to wait for much longer 
> before tickets can be solved, which will cause us a lot of frustration and 
> anguish. This is not what we have been accustomed to in the last few years, 
> we often see regular releases and each version is superior to the previous 
> one.
> 
> We all need to understand that, what is required is for each one of us to 
> donate according to our circumstances, may it be as little as 5 or 10 dollars 
> a month, this will be enough to keep the project going.
> We Thank those of you who already donate on a regular basis.
> 
> Put this in context, we easely spend 5 dollars on a coffee
> or 10/20 dollars on a meal when we eat out, surely NVDA deserves this token 
> amount?
> 
> Many people do charity events, such as running a marathon, doing a tandem 
> ride, or baking and seling cakes in their community to raise money for canser 
> research or any other worth while charity, we can all do the same but for NV 
> Access which is also a charity.
> 
> Please don't lose this opportunity to support NVDA, because if we fail to set 
> up regular donations, in a few months time we will all have to start paying 
> for expensive screenreaders because NVDA would not have been developed and 
> updated to match our latest needs.
> 
> We are writing this email as individuals that strongly believe in open 
> source, and as volunteer contributors to NVDA. We understand that it is hard 
> for Jamie and Michael to keep sending emails asking for donations because it 
> feels bad to keep asking, but we the users should act before we reach the 
> point of no return.
> 
> Please repost/translate or anything that you feel appropriate, and please 
> don't forget to raise donations.
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Re: OT: Health Insurance

[Technomage Hawke]

outrageous? thats a deep understatement.. what he went through is called 
"fleecing the sheep". and yes, shopping around will definitely help. 

-eric
On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Hi Keith,
> 
> Check out this search link with an at a glance quote comparison (using 55 
> years old for both husband and wife), starting at $187.50 a month.
> 
> In my experience your quote was OUTRAGEOUS (shop around)!
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM, keith smith  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I am self employed, a little older, over weight, with a history of high blood 
> pressure.  
> 
> I do not have health insurance and would like to be able to find a reasonable 
> health insurance plan. 
> 
> Recently I received several quotes.  $600 a month, $6000 deductible for me 
> and $6000 deductible my wife.  And we must pay 30% of the first $10,000 
> (each).  These are per year.  Once we pay $10,200 (annual premium + annual 
> copay) of the first $10,000 the insurance kicks in and will pay what is left.
> 
> As a result I have decided to go without insurance.  I'd be happy to pay $500 
> a month for a normal HMO policy. (well not completely happy, I think $500 a 
> month is too high).
> 
> Short of building a business that has employees and qualifies for group 
> health insurance, what can I do?
> 
> Thank you for your insight!
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
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Re: Ran across something that might be of interest to our visually impaired members

[Technomage Hawke]

I have tried it for OS X. it conflicts with the built-in screenreader. so, I 
either run one or the other. This is not the only problem. ChromeVox is still 
BetaWare and tends to crash more often than it should. I don't run  windows 
here, so I can't comment on the windows version. I will need to look at their 
repository and see if there is a linux version. If so, then I need to see if it 
will work with ORCA or any of the other Linux Screenreaders. since almost all 
Linux screenreaders now come with speech-dispatcher support, it should 
conceivably work within that standard. if not, there might be a real problem 
using it under linux (specifically VINUX). I will check with the VINUX 
development list and see what is up.

Personally, google should have simply made their browser accessible under the 
current standards, instead of inventing their own tool to fake the same thing.

-eric

On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:49 PM, Stephen wrote:

> http://www.chromevox.com/
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> "ChromeVox is a screen reader for Chrome which brings the speed,
> versatility, and security of Chrome to visually impaired users. Of
> course since ChromeVox is built by Google, it's optimized for the web.
> It supports the latest web standards and excels at accessing the most
> modern interactive websites."
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Re: hard disk failure

[Technomage Hawke]

usually when a superblock goes bad, it is because the drive was turned off in 
the middle of some write operations. since there more than one copy of the 
primary superblock, the filesystem should be recoverable. some orphaned files 
will be written to Lost & Found for you to look at. If more than one superblock 
fails, than the problem may be more than filesystem related (such as a hardware 
failure). 

the problem I see here is that the drive is being detected by  the system in 
the BIOS and some of the other utilities appear to see the filesystem. this 
would tend to suggest that the drive heads are in good shape and the drive 
controller card if working ok as well. This leaves the drive platters. if they 
are losing field strength (random demagnetization) that can be very 
troublesome. it might also explain why it is that frisk sees the partition 
entries, but the filesystem can't be corrected.

mind you, all of what I have said is from the what little I know about the 
devices themselves. there may be other problems going on that are beyond my 
current knowledge.

-eric

On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:53 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> Please, Speculate as to why my superblock went bad.
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Re: OT: Headhunter Harrassment

[Technomage Hawke]

I know the feeling. I see roughly 15 mails a day. I never bothered to publish 
my phone, so I don't get the phone calls (fortunately). rigt now, i can't 
accept any of these offers simply because I need retraining (waiting on VR to 
get their act together).

-eric

On Feb 18, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> I get 15 email a day for National 3-6 month contracts.  
> I get 4 calls a day for Arizona 3-6 month contracts, none of which I applied 
> for.
> Some of these don't even fall into "IT"; but include engineer, administrator, 
> etc.
> 
> It's incredibly annoying.  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> What... you don't like the love?
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> Am I the only one or do other Linux professionals get hounded by email and 
> calls from headhunters?
> 
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Re: hard disk failure

[Technomage Hawke]

ah, yeah that one too. 
there are so many test tools these days. :)

-eric


On Feb 18, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Matt Graham wrote:

>> technomage.ha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> now I remember what the other tool was: hdparm. that tool will tell
>>> you what the SMART status is on the HDD.
> From: Michael Havens 
>> It seems to me everything is good. 
>> hdparm /dev/sda1
> 
> hdparm won't tell you about the SMART status on a disk.  I think you may be
> looking for /usr/sbin/smartctl , which will report the SMART status for
> everything on sda if you call it with "smartctl -a /dev/sda".  However, the
> last time one of my disks died, smartctl didn't say anything was wrong until I
> started getting read errors on various sectors.
> 
> Also, if you're having trouble mounting an ext23 filesystem, something you
> might want to try is to mount it using the backup superblocks.  "mount -t ext3
> -o sb=131072 /dev/sda2 /mnt/somewhere" is the canonical first backup
> superblock to try.  Or since reading the disk appears to be working, copy each
> partition somewhere, make a copy of that copy, and attempt to work on that
> copy with e2fsck and/or debugfs.
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Re: hard disk failure

[Technomage Hawke]

hmmm. no SMART data? I need to read the man page to see how that is done. 
still, if it got that much info, the drive might be good. one question: did toy 
have an unusual event prior to the drive having an apparent malfunction? such 
events may include (but are not limited to) a power bump, interrupted 
installation of software (either by hardware error or software), an overheat 
issue, etc.

I have had 3 machines die around here after a power bump caused by a pole 
transformer blowing a fuse. all the machines developed inconsistent errors (HDD 
failing to accept writes, post failing, PSU partial failure, etc). I had to 
replace 2 PSU units, one HDD and one motherboard (room mates vista machine 
developed a catastrophic failure). 

-eric

On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> Thanks for letting me know, Eric!
> It seems to me everything is good. (But what do I know!) Here is the results:
> 
> hdparm /dev/sda1 
>   
>   multcount= 16 (on) 
>   IO_support  =   1 (32-bit)
>   readonly  =   0 (off)
>   reahead   = 256 (on)
>   geometry = 4863/255/63, sectors =  55285760, start = 2048
> 
> hdparm /dev/sda2 
>   
>   multcount= 16 (on)
>   IO_support  =   1 (32-bit)
>   readonly  =   0 (off)
>   reahead   = 256 (on)
>   geometry = 4863/255/63, sectors =  2, start = 75769854
> 
> hdparm /dev/sda3
>   
>   multcount   = 16 (on)
>   IO_support =   1 (32-bit)
>   readonly =   0 (off)
>   reahead  = 256 (on)
>   geometry= 4863/255/63, sectors =  2048, start = 55287808
> 
> hdparm /dev/sda 
>   
>   multcount   = 16 (on)
>   IO_support =   1 (32-bit)
>   readonly =   0 (off)
>   reahead = 256 (on)
>   geometry   = 4863/255/63, sectors =  78125000, start = 0
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> now I remember what the other tool was: hdparm. that tool will tell you what 
> the SMART status is on the HDD.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:42 AM, Stu wrote:
> 
> > Just a suggestion, have you thought about giving UBCD a try? There's a 
> > bunch of software tools on it, most of which are way beyond me, but I have 
> > managed to salvage a couple of hard drives with it in the past.
> >
> > http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
> >
> >
> > On 02/17/2012 04:27 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
> >> you can load a live DVD into the system and then try one of the many HDD 
> >> test tools (badblocks with no options is a safe bet and will tell you 
> >> almost immediately if there are any problems). I know there is another 
> >> command line tool that can test drive throughput and read the SMART tables 
> >> on the controller. I can't remember its name off hand, but it is a good 
> >> one to test the drive electronics.
> >>
> >> -eric
> >>
> >> On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yep I think I had a hard disk failure. I restarted my computer and 
> >>> was presented with:
> >>>
> >>>  error: unknown filesystem.
> >>>  grub rescue>
> >>>
> >>> I then typed 'ls' and the response was
> >>>
> >>>  (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0)
> >>>
> >>> which is two partitions, the swap drive, and the floppy disk
> >>> how do I verify my suspicion of drive failure?
> >>> funny how all this happened just as I was attempting to back it up.
> >>>
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Re: hard disk failure

[Technomage Hawke]

now I remember what the other tool was: hdparm. that tool will tell you what 
the SMART status is on the HDD.

-eric

On Feb 18, 2012, at 2:42 AM, Stu wrote:

> Just a suggestion, have you thought about giving UBCD a try? There's a bunch 
> of software tools on it, most of which are way beyond me, but I have managed 
> to salvage a couple of hard drives with it in the past.
> 
> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
> 
> 
> On 02/17/2012 04:27 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> you can load a live DVD into the system and then try one of the many HDD 
>> test tools (badblocks with no options is a safe bet and will tell you almost 
>> immediately if there are any problems). I know there is another command line 
>> tool that can test drive throughput and read the SMART tables on the 
>> controller. I can't remember its name off hand, but it is a good one to test 
>> the drive electronics.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Michael Havens wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep I think I had a hard disk failure. I restarted my computer and was 
>>> presented with:
>>> 
>>>  error: unknown filesystem.
>>>  grub rescue>
>>> 
>>> I then typed 'ls' and the response was
>>> 
>>>  (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0)
>>> 
>>> which is two partitions, the swap drive, and the floppy disk
>>> how do I verify my suspicion of drive failure?
>>> funny how all this happened just as I was attempting to back it up.
>>> 
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Re: hard disk failure

[Technomage Hawke]

you can load a live DVD into the system and then try one of the many HDD test 
tools (badblocks with no options is a safe bet and will tell you almost 
immediately if there are any problems). I know there is another command line 
tool that can test drive throughput and read the SMART tables on the 
controller. I can't remember its name off hand, but it is a good one to test 
the drive electronics.

-eric

On Feb 17, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> Yep I think I had a hard disk failure. I restarted my computer and was 
> presented with:
> 
>  error: unknown filesystem.
>  grub rescue>
> 
> I then typed 'ls' and the response was
> 
>  (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0)
> 
> which is two partitions, the swap drive, and the floppy disk
> how do I verify my suspicion of drive failure?
> funny how all this happened just as I was attempting to back it up.
> 
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Re: Fixing Unity

[Technomage Hawke]

I wish I could have been there for that. I would have pointed out how broken 
accessibility is broken in UNITY. defensive wouldn't have been the course of 
action, it would have been a full on retreat. I also think that the word 
"Disconnect" was an understatement.

-eric
On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Phillip Waclawski wrote:

> Thank you for this information. I attended a talk at SCALE 10X  that was 
> called "retrognome" that went through a list of addons to make Unity more 
> usable. The interesting part was someone that works on Unity from Canonical 
> was in the audience. He got very defensive at one point and we tried to 
> explain that we are not opposed to change per se, but many of these changes 
> make it harder to do work, and the Unity team seems to have deliberately 
> removed our ability to CHOOSE to keep some of the "old features".
> A bit of a disconnect between the developers and a significant chunk of the 
> users.
> Phil W.
> 
> From: "Jim March" <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com>
> To: "Tucson Free Unix Group" , "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 4:06:53 PM
> 
> OK. So I hate Unity with a passion. Sorry. I'm not going to argue
> about it, it just isn't my thing.
> 
> I can deal with Gnome3 set to classic mode - while the menus are a bit
> annoying plus there's that whole "hold ALT to modify the toolbar
> stuff", there's some quite decent stability enhancements that make the
> nuisance parts worth it.
> 
> The question then is, do you want to go with Linux Mint 12 (which is
> basically Ubuntu Oneiric tweaked to no-Unity plus restricted
> codecs/players) or do you run "real Ubuntu Oneiric" and hand-tweak
> Unity out yourself?
> 
> Well the answer to me has come down to "tweak Oneiric".
> 
> 1) Mint 12 just "felt unstable". Hybernate-to-disk didn't work (across
> two machines) and other small glitches popped up here and there.
> Nothing show-stopper but still, very obviously some unpolished bits.
> 
> 2) The first time I installed Mint 12 (32bit) I got
> whole-disk-encryption working via the scripts at:
> 
> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/344
> 
> For reasons I don't understand at all, it stopped working. I tried it
> in 32bit, failed, tried again in 64bit when I recently scored a more
> potent machine (more memory for starters) and yet again, failure. This
> forced me into the "encrypted home folder" plan which is quite
> possibly where some of the glitches occurred - possibly including the
> hibernation fail.
> 
> A few days ago I backed up and reinstalled clean from an Oneiric 64bit
> alternate install disk. I did the "anti-Unity" tweaks at:
> 
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
> 
> ...to get "classic Gnome" running right, and they worked like a champ.
> The only thing that went wrong was, on one of the reboots LightDM
> failed completely and dumped me to a command prompt. But doing:
> 
> sudo apt-get install gdm
> 
> ...and picking the GDM startup manager fixed that. (The instructions
> warn of problems with LightDM and sure enough, he's not kidding! I
> ignored that and it bit me in the butt.)
> 
> I now have fastest, most stable full-on setup I've ever run. It starts
> up without Compiz but doing an ALT-F2 and "compiz --replace" gives me
> the eye candy when I want it. Cool.
> 
> Starting with real Ubuntu you need to do the usual tweaks (medibuntu,
> load w32codecs or w64codecs, libdvdcss, flash player, extra gstreamer
> stuff, etc. but that's not a big deal.
> 
> Random thoughts:
> 
> For my needs, the breakover point at which 64bit is a good idea is
> 3gigs RAM. I need to run WinXP virtualized (VirtualBox for now but
> since my latest lappy has hardware virt support in the CPU I'll switch
> soon). 64bit code is bulkier so with 2gigs RAM and 768megs assigned to
> the XP machine, RAM gets tight. With 32bit code, memory usage in more
> efficient. At 3gigs of real RAM I can run 64bit and assign 1gig to the
> XP VM with no problems.
> 
> 64bit still has "glitches". For example, to get Adobe Flash going you
> end up adding some 32bit libraries. Which is fine until you load
> Google Chrome, at which point it wants the 64bit version of said
> libraries. Ooops. This is solvable: the solution is to install the
> google .deb file at the command line:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i googlesupplieddebname.deb (after CDing into the dir with
> the .deb file)
> 
> ...and watch for what it fails on. Load synaptic if you haven't already:
> 
> sudo apt-get install synaptic
> 
> ...and use that to specifically load the 64bit versions of the
> libraries it's choking on. (Leave the 32bit versions in there so flash
> still works.)
> 
> That said, the "64bit glitchies" are extremely minor and no trouble
> for anybody slightly Linux-experienced to cope with. For total Linux
> newbies OR those with 2gigs or less RAM I'm still recommending 32bit
> and I suspect Precise won't change that.
> 
> Jim
> 

Re:

[Technomage Hawke]

Jim,

You aren't the only one to hate UNITY. The DM is so broken for ORCA that huge 
portions of it are simply inaccessible, especially for us screen reader users). 
Don't even ask about braille support.

Gnome 3 was definitely a better fit and far more stable. Perhaps the folks at 
UNITY should have listened to us first.

-eric

On Feb 10, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Jim March wrote:

> OK. So I hate Unity with a passion. Sorry. I'm not going to argue
> about it, it just isn't my thing.
> 
> I can deal with Gnome3 set to classic mode - while the menus are a bit
> annoying plus there's that whole "hold ALT to modify the toolbar
> stuff", there's some quite decent stability enhancements that make the
> nuisance parts worth it.
> 
> The question then is, do you want to go with Linux Mint 12 (which is
> basically Ubuntu Oneiric tweaked to no-Unity plus restricted
> codecs/players) or do you run "real Ubuntu Oneiric" and hand-tweak
> Unity out yourself?
> 
> Well the answer to me has come down to "tweak Oneiric".
> 
> 1) Mint 12 just "felt unstable". Hybernate-to-disk didn't work (across
> two machines) and other small glitches popped up here and there.
> Nothing show-stopper but still, very obviously some unpolished bits.
> 
> 2) The first time I installed Mint 12 (32bit) I got
> whole-disk-encryption working via the scripts at:
> 
> http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/344
> 
> For reasons I don't understand at all, it stopped working. I tried it
> in 32bit, failed, tried again in 64bit when I recently scored a more
> potent machine (more memory for starters) and yet again, failure. This
> forced me into the "encrypted home folder" plan which is quite
> possibly where some of the glitches occurred - possibly including the
> hibernation fail.
> 
> A few days ago I backed up and reinstalled clean from an Oneiric 64bit
> alternate install disk. I did the "anti-Unity" tweaks at:
> 
> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
> 
> ...to get "classic Gnome" running right, and they worked like a champ.
> The only thing that went wrong was, on one of the reboots LightDM
> failed completely and dumped me to a command prompt. But doing:
> 
> sudo apt-get install gdm
> 
> ...and picking the GDM startup manager fixed that. (The instructions
> warn of problems with LightDM and sure enough, he's not kidding! I
> ignored that and it bit me in the butt.)
> 
> I now have fastest, most stable full-on setup I've ever run. It starts
> up without Compiz but doing an ALT-F2 and "compiz --replace" gives me
> the eye candy when I want it. Cool.
> 
> Starting with real Ubuntu you need to do the usual tweaks (medibuntu,
> load w32codecs or w64codecs, libdvdcss, flash player, extra gstreamer
> stuff, etc. but that's not a big deal.
> 
> Random thoughts:
> 
> For my needs, the breakover point at which 64bit is a good idea is
> 3gigs RAM. I need to run WinXP virtualized (VirtualBox for now but
> since my latest lappy has hardware virt support in the CPU I'll switch
> soon). 64bit code is bulkier so with 2gigs RAM and 768megs assigned to
> the XP machine, RAM gets tight. With 32bit code, memory usage in more
> efficient. At 3gigs of real RAM I can run 64bit and assign 1gig to the
> XP VM with no problems.
> 
> 64bit still has "glitches". For example, to get Adobe Flash going you
> end up adding some 32bit libraries. Which is fine until you load
> Google Chrome, at which point it wants the 64bit version of said
> libraries. Ooops. This is solvable: the solution is to install the
> google .deb file at the command line:
> 
> sudo dpkg -i googlesupplieddebname.deb (after CDing into the dir with
> the .deb file)
> 
> ...and watch for what it fails on. Load synaptic if you haven't already:
> 
> sudo apt-get install synaptic
> 
> ...and use that to specifically load the 64bit versions of the
> libraries it's choking on. (Leave the 32bit versions in there so flash
> still works.)
> 
> That said, the "64bit glitchies" are extremely minor and no trouble
> for anybody slightly Linux-experienced to cope with. For total Linux
> newbies OR those with 2gigs or less RAM I'm still recommending 32bit
> and I suspect Precise won't change that.
> 
> Jim
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Re: EAST side plug meeting tonight (2/9) at MCC

[Technomage Hawke]

guess its too late to request a ride. this may be the last time I can attend 
such as VR has finally got off their butts and started the ball rolling on my 
training program.

I certainly would ilke to attend and if anyone from the west side is going, I 
wouldn't mind car pooling.

-Eric
(623)399-5635

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> This months presentation will be by Chris Lewis called "AI and the
> Network".
> 
> We will also be continuing with Brian Cluff's (me) mini graphics demos with 
> this month being on GIMP's resynthesizer plugin.  It does a lot more than you 
> think...
> 
> More information can be had on the website:
> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/14-east-valley-meeting.html
> 
> See you there,
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Re: flashplayer disabled

[Technomage Hawke]

ouch. yeah, I ran into a bunch of regex errors. in my case, I had to ignore 
them (that virtual package wasn't too much of a problem).

I might suggest  using the command line version of aptitude. you can do a 
package search and resolve some of these errors. the flash* gave me some 
suggested filenames and that is what I ended up doing. 

the only real problem was having to review the screen about a dozen times 
(using a screen reader is definitely slow and frustrating). 

I suspect that there is some issue with the linux version of flash player and 
its windows counterpart. don't even ask about OS X (I use vlc and its plugins 
for content playback here on snow leopard). at least there, I have access to 
the play controls.

On Feb 3, 2012, at 1:37 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> unfortunately all the responses from the computer after issuing each command 
> I was not able to retrieve so these are the commands I issued (in said order)
> 
> first I entered apt-get install  and was given the next two 
> programs to install:
> 
> apt-get install flashplugin-installer 
> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound 
> 
> then I read the message suggesting the next command:
> 
> sudo apt-get install flash*
> 
> but when I ran it I got an error. the just of that was that the following 
> programs were conflicting. So I figured I would remove them :
> 
> sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer 
> flashplugin-nonfree
> 
> and then I would reinstall everything
> 
> sudo apt-get install flash*
> 
> but there were other things broken
> the error report from the previous command indicated that the next command be 
> issued
> 
> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-downloader flashplugin-installer 
> flashplugin-nonfree
> 
> but that caused the error:
> 
> Package flashplugin-nonfree is a virtual package provided by:
>   adobe-flashplugin 11.1.102.55-0oneiric1
>   flashplugin-downloader 11.1.102.55ubuntu0.11.10.1
> You should explicitly select one to install.
> 
> E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
> 
> so because I had already issued install flashplugin-downloader I tried 
> the other package:
> 
> 
> bmike1@Michaels-Laptop ~ $ sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
> 
> 
> that ran successfully
> then I checked if a flash ap was working. It was so I was happy!
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Vance Pierce  wrote:
> Inquiring minds want to know... what exactly did you mess around with to get 
> things working?
> 
> 
> On 02/02/2012 10:21 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>> well apt-get install flash* failed  but I messed around with it and got 
>> things working. Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>>  wrote:
>> the room mate here had the same problem a week or so back. I had to log in 
>> and do an apt-get install flash* and it got anything with flash in the name 
>> and description. sure, it is a shotgun approach, but it did work. one thing 
>> you might want to try is get the vlc package and its various plugins. those 
>> also work.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>> 
>> > I don't know what happened but  I can't view flash content. I went to a 
>> > video tutorial for Kompozer and the video wouldn't run. I emailed them and 
>> > they responded that I needed flash. I then went to a page I viewed earlier 
>> > today and it too wouldn't run. I ran apt-get to reinstall it but it still 
>> > isn't working. I donn't know what else to say about it. The version that 
>> > is installed now is 11.0.1.152 . I don't know what version I had before I 
>> > ran apt-get. I have to go to work now so I will be back at about 10.
>> >
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Re: flashplayer disabled

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the room mate here had the same problem a week or so back. I had to log in and 
do an apt-get install flash* and it got anything with flash in the name and 
description. sure, it is a shotgun approach, but it did work. one thing you 
might want to try is get the vlc package and its various plugins. those also 
work.

-eric

On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> I don't know what happened but  I can't view flash content. I went to a video 
> tutorial for Kompozer and the video wouldn't run. I emailed them and they 
> responded that I needed flash. I then went to a page I viewed earlier today 
> and it too wouldn't run. I ran apt-get to reinstall it but it still isn't 
> working. I donn't know what else to say about it. The version that is 
> installed now is 11.0.1.152 . I don't know what version I had before I ran 
> apt-get. I have to go to work now so I will be back at about 10.
> 
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Re: EAST side plug meeting tonight at MCC

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anyone from the west side heading there?

give me a call: 623-399-5635

-eric

On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:32 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

> Presenter: Larry Thiel
> 
> TOPIC: Openshot Video Editor
> 
> BIO
> Larry Thiel started playing with computers in 1964.  Studying them in college 
> in those days earned one a minor in Mathematics but there were no degree 
> programs relating to computers and nothing was even called Computer Science.  
> He went on to works in programming with small companies and ended up managing 
> a C/C++ hosted on HP servers in 14 states which ran 24/7 with maximum allowed 
> downtimes of less than 15 minutes per server.
> 
> 
> I (Brian) will also continue my mini presentations on various multimedia 
> software.
> Tonights edition will be on Creating simple flourishes in Inkscape using the 
> bezier curve tool along with path effects.  I will also be quickly showing 
> how to import the plug calendar into a couple of different calender programs.
> 
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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

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I will have to do that. last time I tried to use unity, I couldn't get even a 
run program dialog box using keyboard only. that is definitely not good when 
one has to start orca before doing anything else.

-eric

On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Ted Gould wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 15:38 -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> I tried 11.10 on a default installation. the unity interface 
>> sux so bad that accessibility for it is a major lesson in futility. 
> 
> Sorry, late with the reply.  Here is the a11y work that is going on in
> Unity this cycle:
> 
> 
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-polish
> 
> Unity itself isn't complete as we recommended all users require a11y
> assistance to use unity-2d (it is more complete in that regard).  Our
> goal in this cycle is to not have that recommendation and have all users
> using the same default (if they have drivers).  If you think that there
> are other things that need to be done I'd recommend talking to Luke (who
> is the driver there).
> 
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Re: OT - Windows XP Installation CD

[Technomage Hawke]

I have a licensed original copy with the additional sp3 complimentary disk. 
since you already have a key and it is for the same sub-brand of windows, there 
shouldn't be any problems. one issue though, the OS will try to register itself 
with microsoft and because it can't connect to the net during the install, it 
will request you call the MS 800 number. that is where the snag is: MS will not 
issue a registration code to you, leaving you without a fully functional OS. I 
went through this with my in-laws machine 2 months ago. MS was not cooperative 
and bluntly told me to upgrade to 7 (which would have entailed a hardware 
upgrade, which was not in the budget).



I would almost say it would be worth to get an older model vmware free server 
(that is still available from vmware) and install XP to that after installing a 
lightweight linux as host. then you could make a backup of the XP OS after all 
the updates are done. this way, you can use both and if XP gets cranky, erase 
the current operating image and copy the backup into place, install the apps 
you want and go right back to doing what you want to do.


this is a good workaround and has served me well in the past.

-eric

On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> I have an old Dell server running Windows XP Pro, which has gotten so slow 
> that my best plan is to wipe it and re-install. I have the license tag on the 
> box but no CDs to install. The machine use to be a gaming machine for my kids 
> when they were younger, and they moved on to only needing iTunes. 
> 
> Does anyone have a Windows XP Pro CD I can borrow? Can I download it from 
> somewhere on the net?
> 
> I assume this is legal, as I have the license, just not the media.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
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Re: sorting 512.192 emails

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tried that with apple mail. overtime I try to delete all in that folder, they 
come right back.
 also, firefox and thunderbird are not exactly speech friendly, even on the 
linux box. tried the imap thing with third and had much the same problem.

doing it 100 at a time is frustrating as hell too. I am going to look at 
another program (like Eudora) and see if its imap handling is better.

-eric

On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:39 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:

> Sounds like the easiest way for you might be to setup a different program and 
> attach onto your gmail account with IMAP.  Then you should be able to slice 
> and dice your email without being hindered by the web interface.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 12/31/2011 04:08 AM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> that apparently works in standard GUI mode, but trying it in basic html 
>> using a screenreader did not yield the expected result as there was no 
>> select all button.
>> 
>> I will have to determine an alternative means.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:
>> 
>>> Might 
>>> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=487246c51f78db43&hl=en
>>>  help?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Technomage 
>>> Hawke  wrote:
>>> well,
>>> I just spent a better part of 18 hours trying to cull out the ever 
>>> expanding girth of my email accounts. in that 19 hours, I reduced the all 
>>> mail folder by 259,213 emails using the only web interface that has no 
>>> tools for the blind in it. its not like I want to keep all that email. it 
>>> was starting to take so much space that I was getting nasty grains from 
>>> google about it.
>>> 
>>> the lesson here: go through your mail folders and clean them up. it is 
>>> rather fast how much that 1,000+ mails a day can clog up the works.
>>> 
>>> now I have to invent a better way to do this.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> oh, and merry christmas, happy new year and all the other holidays in 
>>> between.
>>> 
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need some help patching a DSDT file

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I managed to get a dsdt.dsl file from my ubuntu 11.04 installation on  the 
lifeboat laptop. now I just need help patching it to remove 1 error and 2 
warnings. anyone know how to do this?

-eric

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Re: sorting 512.192 emails

[Technomage Hawke]

that apparently works in standard GUI mode, but trying it in basic html using a 
screenreader did not yield the expected result as there was no select all 
button.

I will have to determine an alternative means.

-eric

On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> Might 
> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=487246c51f78db43&hl=en 
> help?
> 
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> well,
> I just spent a better part of 18 hours trying to cull out the ever expanding 
> girth of my email accounts. in that 19 hours, I reduced the all mail folder 
> by 259,213 emails using the only web interface that has no tools for the 
> blind in it. its not like I want to keep all that email. it was starting to 
> take so much space that I was getting nasty grains from google about it.
> 
> the lesson here: go through your mail folders and clean them up. it is rather 
> fast how much that 1,000+ mails a day can clog up the works.
> 
> now I have to invent a better way to do this.
> 
> -eric
> 
> oh, and merry christmas, happy new year and all the other holidays in between.
> 
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> multiple recipients, always use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy) and not To: or 
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sorting 512.192 emails

[Technomage Hawke]

well,
I just spent a better part of 18 hours trying to cull out the ever expanding 
girth of my email accounts. in that 19 hours, I reduced the all mail folder by 
259,213 emails using the only web interface that has no tools for the blind in 
it. its not like I want to keep all that email. it was starting to take so much 
space that I was getting nasty grains from google about it. 

the lesson here: go through your mail folders and clean them up. it is rather 
fast how much that 1,000+ mails a day can clog up the works.

now I have to invent a better way to do this.

-eric

oh, and merry christmas, happy new year and all the other holidays in between.

-eric
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Re: Merry Christmas to all

[Technomage Hawke]

same here. I just wished that I could have found a donor machine for a lady. 
she runs a violinteer art shop and uses (until it died) a small k6-2 1.8 Ghz 
with about 1 gb of ram. unfortunately, all her materials are still on the HDD. 
I have extolled the benefits of using linux, but she doesn't want to change to 
new programs that might not work with some of her devices.

anyway, happy holidays.

-eric
 
On Dec 26, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> Merry Christmas Mike (and Joe and Keith and Em, and Hans, and all those who 
> make the PLUG possible...)!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> hey all you cool guys. Thanks for the well-wishes! Merry Christmas to you as 
> well! (and to everyone else too)(or whatever you celebrate happy that too)
> 
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 7:00 AM, keith smith  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Joe!!  
> 
> Merry Christmas to all!!  And a prosperous New Year!!
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
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> From: j...@actionline.com 
> Subject: Merry Christmas to all
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Re: need to find a donor computer.

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give me a call. we can talk.

-eric
623-399-5635

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Stephen wrote:

> I have an older P4 with i think 1GB ram in it. Old Del Ideacenter.. It
> works, and i think i have a Nvidia 5xxx series card in it.
> 
> If you want it for her you can have it. I think i have a 30 or 40 GB
> HDD in it. It was all working last i had it out and about.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Eric Shubert  wrote:
>> On 12/21/2011 04:39 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello guys.
>>> I have a friend of mine (she is a nice old lady) who needs some help. she
>>> has an old computer that is not working and she needs to get a newer one.
>>> the problem is that she lives on a limited income and can't afford to buy
>>> new. is there any help you guys can offer?
>>> 
>>> her current machine is an older k6-2 machine with  windows XP and it is
>>> running so dog slow that she cannot do anything on it. any help you can
>>> offer would be greatly appreciated. you can respond to me directly as i
>>> don't have her permission to post her phone.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 623-399-5635
>> 
>> 
>> Many of these older computers I've seen are simply lacking enough ram. When
>> XP first came out, it'd run ok w/ 512M, but not any more (with SP updates).
>> 1G is minimum for a reasonably pleasant user experience. I've done memory
>> upgrades on a few of these, and that makes them usable once more.
>> 
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Re: need to find a donor computer.

[Technomage Hawke]

I might have some ram laying around, but I have no way of knowing what is what. 
guess I need to twist my room mates arm a bit.

-eric

On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Eric Shubert wrote:

> On 12/21/2011 04:39 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> hello guys.
>> I have a friend of mine (she is a nice old lady) who needs some help. she 
>> has an old computer that is not working and she needs to get a newer one. 
>> the problem is that she lives on a limited income and can't afford to buy 
>> new. is there any help you guys can offer?
>> 
>> her current machine is an older k6-2 machine with  windows XP and it is 
>> running so dog slow that she cannot do anything on it. any help you can 
>> offer would be greatly appreciated. you can respond to me directly as i 
>> don't have her permission to post her phone.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 623-399-5635
> 
> Many of these older computers I've seen are simply lacking enough ram. When 
> XP first came out, it'd run ok w/ 512M, but not any more (with SP updates). 
> 1G is minimum for a reasonably pleasant user experience. I've done memory 
> upgrades on a few of these, and that makes them usable once more.
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Re: need to find a donor computer.

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that would be nice. However, we are talking about a 70+ year old lady that has 
troubles enough even working with windows. I will be going out of town for the 
next year or so to the colorado center for the blind and will be entirely too 
busy to even be able to offer any tech support (which will be expected of me 
should I saddle her with linux). I realize this is a linux users group, but you 
are the only folks I know that would even help (I cannot thank you enough for 
the donor laptop several months back. it helped me out with being able to do 
some work away from the house).

I wish I had disposable income to just buy her a new one, but we all can't have 
what we want)

thanks for trying guys.

-eric
 
On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Patrick P wrote:

>  I'd suggest installing one of the lightweight linux distros.
> 
> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:51:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: need to find a donor computer.
> From: ke...@fries-biro.com
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> 
> BoCoCo
> On Dec 21, 2011 4:39 PM, "Technomage Hawke"  
> wrote:
> hello guys.
> I have a friend of mine (she is a nice old lady) who needs some help. she has 
> an old computer that is not working and she needs to get a newer one. the 
> problem is that she lives on a limited income and can't afford to buy new. is 
> there any help you guys can offer?
> 
> her current machine is an older k6-2 machine with  windows XP and it is 
> running so dog slow that she cannot do anything on it. any help you can offer 
> would be greatly appreciated. you can respond to me directly as i don't have 
> her permission to post her phone.
> 
> -eric
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need to find a donor computer.

[Technomage Hawke]

hello guys.
I have a friend of mine (she is a nice old lady) who needs some help. she has 
an old computer that is not working and she needs to get a newer one. the 
problem is that she lives on a limited income and can't afford to buy new. is 
there any help you guys can offer?

her current machine is an older k6-2 machine with  windows XP and it is running 
so dog slow that she cannot do anything on it. any help you can offer would be 
greatly appreciated. you can respond to me directly as i don't have her 
permission to post her phone.

-eric
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still wanting a ride but holding out hope

[Technomage Hawke]

well,
it is now 1835 local time and not a peep about a ride to the christmas party. 
guess no one from this side of the valley is going. still waiting to hear from 
anyone on the phone either. I figure it this way: if I don't hear from anyone 
by 1900 then I am to assume that no one is going. 


on another note... it seems that opensuse is using gnome 3 as one of their 
desktop environments and it is quite broken when it comes to accessibility. 
their installer isn't even accessible at all. I am already consulting with some 
of the devs on how to change this. one of the biggest sticking points is the 
fact that Yast (both terminal and GUI versions) are inaccessible beyond the 
primary menu items. opening any associated apps in Yast results in either no 
spoken text or a message that reads "read only text". 

opensuse and their partnership with Novell are good projects, but they need to 
consider accessibility (especially in their enterprise products) as there a 
number of us blind administrators. if we can't use the tools because they fail 
to report the contents of their text fields (either to a screen reader or  
braille device) than we cannot perform our duties effectively.

-eric

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Re: PLUG Christmas party this Thursday

[Technomage Hawke]

I know the feeling.

still, haven't heard from ANYONE regarding a ride. .

and here it is almost 5 PM.

-eric
623-399-5635 
On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Stephen wrote:

> yes, its all your fault!
> 
> 
> no not really just a more in general.. Thursdays are never good for me.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Technomage Hawke
>  wrote:
>> is that question directed my way? I am wondering as the direction of the 
>> statement is unclear.
>> 
>> -eric
>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> you had to make it tonight
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Technomage Hawke
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I did remember asking if I could bum a ride to this earlier this month (as 
>>>> well as late last month) only to not get any responses at all.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not trying to be a "whiney blind person" or even attempt to be 
>>>> demanding (which I am not). I hope that someone will read this and realize 
>>>> that I am still interested in going.
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> phone: 623-399-5635
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:49 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's that time again when out usual PLUG meeting is set suspended in 
>>>>> favor of our Christmas party.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We will meet at the usual time and the usual place:
>>>>> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/14-east-valley-meeting
>>>>> 
>>>>> The party is pot luck party.  Bring whatever you think will be enjoyed by 
>>>>> all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can't bring anything... come anyway.  The more the merrier, we won't hold 
>>>>> it against you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cups, napkins, plates or utensils are usually in short supply, so you 
>>>>> should keep that in mind when you decide what you bring.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll see you there,
>>>>> Brian Cluff
>>>>> ___
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Re: PLUG Christmas party this Thursday

[Technomage Hawke]

is that question directed my way? I am wondering as the direction of the 
statement is unclear.

-eric
On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Stephen wrote:

> you had to make it tonight
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Technomage Hawke
>  wrote:
>> I did remember asking if I could bum a ride to this earlier this month (as 
>> well as late last month) only to not get any responses at all.
>> 
>> I am not trying to be a "whiney blind person" or even attempt to be 
>> demanding (which I am not). I hope that someone will read this and realize 
>> that I am still interested in going.
>> 
>> -eric
>> phone: 623-399-5635
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:49 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:
>> 
>>> It's that time again when out usual PLUG meeting is set suspended in favor 
>>> of our Christmas party.
>>> 
>>> We will meet at the usual time and the usual place:
>>> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/14-east-valley-meeting
>>> 
>>> The party is pot luck party.  Bring whatever you think will be enjoyed by 
>>> all.
>>> 
>>> Can't bring anything... come anyway.  The more the merrier, we won't hold 
>>> it against you.
>>> 
>>> Cups, napkins, plates or utensils are usually in short supply, so you 
>>> should keep that in mind when you decide what you bring.
>>> 
>>> I'll see you there,
>>> Brian Cluff
>>> ___
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Re: PLUG Christmas party this Thursday

[Technomage Hawke]

I did remember asking if I could bum a ride to this earlier this month (as well 
as late last month) only to not get any responses at all. 

I am not trying to be a "whiney blind person" or even attempt to be demanding 
(which I am not). I hope that someone will read this and realize that I am 
still interested in going. 

-eric
phone: 623-399-5635

On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:49 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

> It's that time again when out usual PLUG meeting is set suspended in favor of 
> our Christmas party.
> 
> We will meet at the usual time and the usual place:
> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/14-east-valley-meeting
> 
> The party is pot luck party.  Bring whatever you think will be enjoyed by all.
> 
> Can't bring anything... come anyway.  The more the merrier, we won't hold it 
> against you.
> 
> Cups, napkins, plates or utensils are usually in short supply, so you should 
> keep that in mind when you decide what you bring.
> 
> I'll see you there,
> Brian Cluff
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Re: Ubuntu Linux losing popularity fast. New Unity interface to blame? | Royal Pingdom

[Technomage Hawke]

I tried 11.10 on a default installation. the unity interface sux so bad that 
accessibility for it is a major lesson in futility. Opensuse isn't far behind 
it either. I fought all day with OpenSuse to no avail. no proper accessibility 
in gnome 3, kde is worthless and don't even ask about unity. 

at least VINUX has it together. full accessibility on the desktop using orca or 
using a console (no X) and emacspeak. 

frankly, I wish the other distress would get with the program. there are a lot 
of us blind folks that would like to use a computer, if only it didn't cost so 
much to make windows accessible.

-eric

On Nov 30, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote:

> On 11/30/2011 05:05 PM, Michael Butash wrote:
>> I've used every version of ubuntu since 6.04 on the desktop (and
>> extensive server) full-time, and while it's always been a bit cranky, it
>> was always the most together and solid linux. Packaging was simply never
>> a problem, nor were dependencies (ahem, redhat and spawn).
> 
> Ahem. 1995 called, they want their FUD back. Package dependencies has not 
> been a problem since up2date first, and now yum.
> 
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Re: need some visual help...

[Technomage Hawke]

that is a  lot of heavy reading. its mostly for the enterprise version but 
there is no reason why it shouldn't work here.

-eric

On Nov 30, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> Not sure if this will help, but it looks promising...
> 
> http://doc.opensuse.org/products/draft/SLES/SLES-deployment_sd_draft/cha.deployment.autoinst.html
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> I ended up out of the room for a bit. I am here now if you can still help.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:
> 
> > I called a few minutes ago, but you were busy. I hope it means someone is 
> > helping you!
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Technomage Hawke 
> >  wrote:
> > ok,
> > I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on a 
> > new HD and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual way. 
> > so if someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can start a 
> > video session and get the ball rolling.
> >
> > someone please help here.
> >
> > -eric
> > Skype: technomage-hawke
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Re: need some visual help...

[Technomage Hawke]

I ended up out of the room for a bit. I am here now if you can still help.

-eric

On Nov 30, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> I called a few minutes ago, but you were busy. I hope it means someone is 
> helping you! 
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> ok,
> I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on a new 
> HD and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual way. so if 
> someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can start a video 
> session and get the ball rolling.
> 
> someone please help here.
> 
> -eric
> Skype: technomage-hawke
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need some visual help...

[Technomage Hawke]

ok,
I am going to need some visual assistance. I need to setup opensuse on a new HD 
and there appears to be no way for me to do so in a non-visual way. so if 
someone can get hold of me on Skype (technomage-hawke) I can start a video 
session and get the ball rolling.

someone please help here.

-eric
Skype: technomage-hawke
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I need a little help...

[Technomage Hawke]

I am in need of some help. it seems that information for installing opensuse in 
a blind friendly manner is either sparse or not published.

I need to pull a full installation for a room mate (who is not here at the 
moment) and ubuntu is not in the cards (their method of installing after the 
fact leaves a lot to be desired). I have already downloaded the DVD but haven't 
found out yet how to set it up to install using speech output instead of a 
screen.

in a word HALP!!! (and yes, that is a misspelling).

-eric
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Re: Vmware Player Prevents Aptitude from Installing Packages

[Technomage Hawke]

the name "player" in the name of it is the biggest hint. the player is designed 
to show off or demonstrate an OS inside the VM. it is generally considered to 
be read only. you need a full version vmware server capable of running any OS 
in read-write mode). there is a free version vmware-server )I think it is the 
version 1 series) that you can still download from vmware. they make a version 
for both windows and linux. this free server doesn't have a corresponding kind 
on OS X. on that OS, you have to use VMware-fusion (and it is not free).

hope this helps

-eric

On Nov 25, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> I am running a fresh install of debian wheezy. I installed VMware Player 
> 4.0.1 build-528992 and then Windows 7 in a vm. Everything is working 
> properly, until I tried to use aptitude to install foomatic-db-hpijs. VMware 
> seems to be preventing aptitude from installing the debian packages. The 
> error messages:
> 
> root@orca:~# aptitude install foomatic-db-hpijs
> Note: selecting "foomatic-db" instead of the
>   virtual package "foomatic-db-hpijs"
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   foomatic-db 
> The following partially installed packages will be configured:
>   cups 
> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B/1,248 kB of archives. After unpacking 6,966 kB will be used.
> Selecting previously unselected package foomatic-db.
> (Reading database ... 131007 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking foomatic-db (from .../foomatic-db_20110831-1_all.deb) ...
> Setting up cups (1.5.0-12) ...
> insserv: warning: script 'K01vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
> insserv: warning: script 'S50vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and 
> overrides
> insserv: warning: script 'vmware-USBArbitrator' missing LSB tags and overrides
> insserv: warning: script 'vmware' missing LSB tags and overrides
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
> insserv: Starting vmware-USBArbitrator depends on rmnologin and therefore on 
> system facility `$all' which can not be true!
>

Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

heh. I guess that is why mine are so hard to guess. at 8*26 bits just for 
lowercase and an additional 8*26 for uppercase, 10*8 for the numbers and 15*8 
for the various other marks on the 105 key kb and mine being at 20 characters 
long... thats a lot of time just for a password to crack. so, my password is 
160 bits in length and has it having 608 differing bit combinations... per 
position, somewhere over the next 1,000 years would it be cracked. 

the above is just guestimation.

-eric

On Nov 23, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Matt Graham wrote:

> From: Technomage Hawke
>> was that a comic page? I tried to find more than the apology there
>> for the arguments about password security but I was confronted
>> with the bane of every blind person: images that aren't
>> descriptive.
> 
> Take a reasonably common password, like "troubaD0r&3".  There are about 28
> bits of entropy in that password; 11 for a reasonably random dictionary word,
> a few extra for replacing chars with numbers, a few extra for having a capital
> letter, and a few more for a random punctuation char and a number.  2^28 bits
> of entropy at 1000 guesses per second = 3 days to crack the password.  And
> it's hard to remember.  Was it trombone?  Or troubador?  And which O was a
> zero?  And there was some symbol
> 
> Take a different password, like "correct horse battery staple".  4 common
> English words, in a random order.  This is 44 bits of entropy.  2^44 bits of
> entropy at 1000 guesses per second = 550 years.  So it's hard to guess.  Is it
> easy to remember?  You've already memorized it!
> 
> Through 20 years of effort, we've trained people to use passwords that are
> hard for humans to remember, but comparatively easy for machines to guess.
> 
> This is not entirely serious (big surprise in a comic strip!)  Some systems
> have a max password length, and the number of bits of entropy in those
> passwords is very open to debate.  This didn't stop me from writing
> "correcthorsebatterystaple.php", which picked 20 random words from
> /usr/share/dict/words and spat them to stdout.  What do you mean "viridian
> Syria cacomixl devilfish" isn't going to work on older Active Directory
> systems?  Also, if you have to type in a password ~50 times a day, it's easier
> if it's short.
> 
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

was that a comic page? I tried to find more than the apology there for the 
arguments about password security but I was confronted with the bane of every 
blind person: images that aren't descriptive.

-eric

On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Dan Dubovik wrote:

> http://xkcd.com/936/
> 
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> yeah, we are fervently nationalistic here. like all nationalistic places, we 
> may be falling into fascism. its still a very reactionary state of affairs.
> 
> 
> anyway, this strays  from the subject.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:09 PM, mz wrote:
> 
> > On 11/22/2011 12:43 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
> >> welcome to the united socialist states of america (or at least it feels 
> >> that way these days).
> >>
> >> you might want to look at ebay for a possible place to get work. they are 
> >> looking for several system admins (OS X, linux, windows and oracle DB) I 
> >> am hoping that the training I will get up the colorado center for the 
> >> blind this next year will help me in gaining meaningful employment.
> >>
> >> anyway, don't let the politicians get you down. they are only dooming 
> >> themselves to the history.
> >>
> >> -eric
> >>
> >
> > Sorry to disagree, but Arizona is part of the United Fascist States of
> > America. At least, it feels that way. ;0)
> >
> > Mark Z.
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

yeah, we are fervently nationalistic here. like all nationalistic places, we 
may be falling into fascism. its still a very reactionary state of affairs. 


anyway, this strays  from the subject.

-eric

On Nov 22, 2011, at 2:09 PM, mz wrote:

> On 11/22/2011 12:43 PM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> welcome to the united socialist states of america (or at least it feels that 
>> way these days). 
>> 
>> you might want to look at ebay for a possible place to get work. they are 
>> looking for several system admins (OS X, linux, windows and oracle DB) I am 
>> hoping that the training I will get up the colorado center for the blind 
>> this next year will help me in gaining meaningful employment. 
>> 
>> anyway, don't let the politicians get you down. they are only dooming 
>> themselves to the history.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
> 
> Sorry to disagree, but Arizona is part of the United Fascist States of
> America. At least, it feels that way. ;0)
> 
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

welcome to the united socialist states of america (or at least it feels that 
way these days). 

you might want to look at ebay for a possible place to get work. they are 
looking for several system admins (OS X, linux, windows and oracle DB) I am 
hoping that the training I will get up the colorado center for the blind this 
next year will help me in gaining meaningful employment. 

anyway, don't let the politicians get you down. they are only dooming 
themselves to the history.

-eric

On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Derek Trotter wrote:

> I"m from Arizona.  I now find myself in Kentucky.  I'm here because of that 
> depression the politicians say we're not in the middle of.  I don't care what 
> the maps say, this is a foreign country.
> 
> On 11/21/2011 23:37, Michael Havens wrote:
>> Your an expat, Derek? Where are you from?
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Derek Trotter  
>> wrote:
>> It's safe to give this one out since I no longer use it.
>> commodorecondellossaltrivernavyband
>> 
>> On 11/21/2011 20:11, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>> How about nursery rhymes using 1 st, 3rd or last character (or number)?  Or 
>>> music lyrics?
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2011 8:07 PM, "Stephen"  wrote:
>>> I shoot for multisyllable nonsense that has a couple numbers tossed in. 
>>> Smooth it so I can pronounce it phonetically and bingo secure password I 
>>> don't forget. If you can say it you can remember it.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2011 6:21 PM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
>>> I believe you win the password security award, Hawks,
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2011 1:41 PM, "Technomage Hawke"  
>>> wrote:
>>> this is why I use a long password string with random characters (pigeon is 
>>> so nice for this). usually I go with a character length longer than 20 
>>> characters. since these are very hard to remember, I keep them on a usb 
>>> dongle in an encrypted file. Because of this, I have only had to change my 
>>> password (because of a security issue) only twice in the last 5 years.
>>> 
>>> I am not sure how the security specialists on the list would treat this, 
>>> but for me, it seems to be the best solution for the  job at hand.
>>> 
>>> also, I also never browse the web on a windows machine (safer that way). I 
>>> use OS X for most of my mail and web browsing stuff. I use linux (as VINUX) 
>>> for some development testing and for the above mentioned password and 
>>> security items. it also keeps me from losing those skills I spent the last 
>>> 16 years trying to use.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Before I left for Peru I got an email from Google telling me that someone 
>>> > in China had accessed my gmail account and that I should change my 
>>> > password unless it was me accessing my account from China. Well, I 
>>> > changed my pass word. Then I went to Peru and was expecting them to send 
>>> > me another email but one never arrived.
>>> >
>>> > Someone figured out a password of seven numerals and 3 letters!
>>> >
>>> > --
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

all of these are good ideas all around. the longer the password string (and the 
greater the types of characters, the less likely that a dictionary attack will 
work.

lets see... a 20 character long password containing upper case, lower case, the 
10 numbers and the 15 or so punctuation marks could be a very large number. for 
simple math: 20*factorial(26^2) and that is just for the letters )assuming you 
don't use  the other 25 characters free available on the keyboard). that is 
already a very large number (in excess of 18 digits). this may be over 
simplified and the math is based on a single assumption, but its still a good 
demonstration of just how big a dictionary has to be. 

the last time I set a password generator program to create a dictionary, I used 
both sets of 26 letters, the numbers and the 15 other characters. I limited it 
to just 12 characters long. the resulting dictionary was over 60 GB in size and 
it wasn't even 25% of the way done yet. I might also add that it took nearly 2 
days to generate that much and the file was already starting to double in size 
every 5% at that point. in order for me to have a complete dictionary of the 
limits I specified, I would have required all the storage that the NSA uses 
over the course of a year just to house it. very impractical by any means (and 
before you ask, I figured out how much storage that was based on the amount of 
data zipping around the net on an average day, which is rather a lot). 

lisa can probably correct my math on this. applied cryptography is not my 
strong suit.

-eric

On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Stephen wrote:

> Could work. But nonwords really remove the dictionary hacks entirely.
> On Nov 21, 2011 8:11 PM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
> How about nursery rhymes using 1 st, 3rd or last character (or number)?  Or 
> music lyrics?
> 
> On Nov 21, 2011 8:07 PM, "Stephen"  wrote:
> I shoot for multisyllable nonsense that has a couple numbers tossed in. 
> Smooth it so I can pronounce it phonetically and bingo secure password I 
> don't forget. If you can say it you can remember it.
> 
> On Nov 21, 2011 6:21 PM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
> I believe you win the password security award, Hawks,
> 
> On Nov 21, 2011 1:41 PM, "Technomage Hawke"  
> wrote:
> this is why I use a long password string with random characters (pigeon is so 
> nice for this). usually I go with a character length longer than 20 
> characters. since these are very hard to remember, I keep them on a usb 
> dongle in an encrypted file. Because of this, I have only had to change my 
> password (because of a security issue) only twice in the last 5 years.
> 
> I am not sure how the security specialists on the list would treat this, but 
> for me, it seems to be the best solution for the  job at hand.
> 
> also, I also never browse the web on a windows machine (safer that way). I 
> use OS X for most of my mail and web browsing stuff. I use linux (as VINUX) 
> for some development testing and for the above mentioned password and 
> security items. it also keeps me from losing those skills I spent the last 16 
> years trying to use.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Michael Havens wrote:
> 
> > Before I left for Peru I got an email from Google telling me that someone 
> > in China had accessed my gmail account and that I should change my password 
> > unless it was me accessing my account from China. Well, I changed my pass 
> > word. Then I went to Peru and was expecting them to send me another email 
> > but one never arrived.
> >
> > Someone figured out a password of seven numerals and 3 letters!
> >
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

there are a lot of reasons. an email address can be a resource for other 
passwords, banking info, personal information, etc. as a resource to the number 
of cyberpunks out there, it can also earn real money. 

this is why I maintain a number of email accounts (3 on gmail and 1 on mail.com 
and one on hotmail). since I do not share information between these accounts 
(and they all have radically differing passwords) I have some isolation and 
thus limit the chances of a problem.

-eric

On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Thomas Gail Haws wrote:

> The question I have is why anybody would care to figure out your email 
> password.
> --
> "To forgive is the highest, most beautiful form of love. In return, you will 
> receive untold peace and happiness." - Dr. Robert Muller
> 
> 
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> Before I left for Peru I got an email from Google telling me that someone in 
> China had accessed my gmail account and that I should change my password 
> unless it was me accessing my account from China. Well, I changed my pass 
> word. Then I went to Peru and was expecting them to send me another email but 
> one never arrived.
> 
> Someone figured out a password of seven numerals and 3 letters!
> 
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> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: someone figured out my email address

[Technomage Hawke]

this is why I use a long password string with random characters (pigeon is so 
nice for this). usually I go with a character length longer than 20 characters. 
since these are very hard to remember, I keep them on a usb dongle in an 
encrypted file. Because of this, I have only had to change my password (because 
of a security issue) only twice in the last 5 years.

I am not sure how the security specialists on the list would treat this, but 
for me, it seems to be the best solution for the  job at hand.

also, I also never browse the web on a windows machine (safer that way). I use 
OS X for most of my mail and web browsing stuff. I use linux (as VINUX) for 
some development testing and for the above mentioned password and security 
items. it also keeps me from losing those skills I spent the last 16 years 
trying to use.

-eric

On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> Before I left for Peru I got an email from Google telling me that someone in 
> China had accessed my gmail account and that I should change my password 
> unless it was me accessing my account from China. Well, I changed my pass 
> word. Then I went to Peru and was expecting them to send me another email but 
> one never arrived.
> 
> Someone figured out a password of seven numerals and 3 letters!
> 
> -- 
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Re: OT: newegg alternatives

[Technomage Hawke]

then the developers of javascript need to consider accessibility as a priority 
item. there are more than 14 million visually impaired people in the U.S. 
alone. a significant percentage of that are on the net and iusing accessibility 
technology. roadblocks such as javascript or flash graphics prevent those like 
me from accessing useful information, or require we hire (or acquire) sighted 
assistants. 

also, any excuses that developers give for not adding accessibility fall flat 
or are just simply wrong. I have seen more excuses about this very subject than 
I care to count. you would figure that these guys have read the w3c addendum 
about accessibility on the web.

-eric

On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Joseph Sinclair wrote:

> I think you're confusing Java and JavaScript, which have no connection 
> whatsoever.
> Java is used extremely rarely in the UI layer of the web.  It's huge in the 
> server layer, but if you see Java in the web browser, it's a rare thing 
> indeed.
> JavaScript is used extremely heavily, and will become vastly *more* prevalent 
> as HTML5 grows because it's the only dynamic UI language for HTML5.
> JavaScript, unfortunately, does not have native accessibility support.
> 

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who would I have to contact to have a printer driver made?

[Technomage Hawke]

ok, I think the subject says it all.

the printer: canon pixma ip2600 inkjet printer.

there used to be a ppd and a package for this printer, but it  seems to have 
dropped from sight after kernel 2.4.
I tried getting hold of someone at canon and have gotten no response. 

this is a nice $30 printer and works well with windows, but without linux 
support, its a pain to have to save files to be printed to a windows machine 
and then print from there.

anyone know of the dev team for printer support?

-eric
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Re: OT: newegg alternatives

[Technomage Hawke]

java presents some more specific problems for me as well. there are sites that 
don't bother to turn on the accessibility modules in java (which is most of 
them) causing me to get a "blank scroll area" whenever I land on them. I have 
even tried braille output on those sites only to get nothing. between java and 
flash, I am one very frustrated net user. as for spam, I  use gmail's filter 
routines to auto-delete anything I don't want. it certainly keeps my mail 
volume from getting outrageous.

-eric

On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Matt Graham wrote:

>> On Nov 13, 2011 9:53 PM, "der.hans"  wrote:
>>> I first heard of newegg via PLUG many years ago. I've been mostly happy
>>> with company, but I'm tired of not being able to navigate the site without
>>> enabling javascript.
> 
> AFAICT, JS is pretty much *required* for large parts of the WWW as it
> currently exists.  Blame this on the marketing people ("We want to track
> *everything*!") and people who want to do all kinds of Cool Web 2.0 Things
> even when they're not useful.  I have to turn JS on for my phone company's
> site to pay my phone bill.  My bank's site is just as bad; no JS, no accounts
> page.
> 
>>> TigerDirect is out because of spammy messenging.
> From: Kevin Fries 
>> I don't know about JavaScript, but have you tried mwave?
> 
> If you buy anything from mwave, they'll put you on a mailing list, and you'll
> get spam every few days.  At least it's reasonably easy to unsubscribe.
> 
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Re: EAST side plug meeting tonight at MCC

[Technomage Hawke]

is there any way I can arrange a ride?

call me at 623 399 5635 as soon as possible.

-eric

On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:34 PM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

> TOPIC: What's new in Ubuntu
> 
> ABSTRACT
> Ubuntu has been the most popular Desktop Linux download on the planet for 6 
> years.  They produce a new release every 6 months.  The latest was Ubuntu 
> 11.10 (meaning 2011 and in the 10th month).  This release saw some major 
> content changes as well as significant progress on their new Unity GUI.  This 
> talk will describe many of those changes.
> 
> BIO
> Larry Thiel started playing with computers in 1964.  Studying them in college 
> in those days earned one a minor in Mathematics but there were no degree 
> programs relating to computers and nothing was even called Computer Science.  
> He went on to works in programming with small companies and ended up managing 
> a C/C++ hosted on HP servers in 14 states which ran 24/7 with maximum allowed 
> downtimes of less than 15 minutes per server.
> 
> 
> I (Brian) will also continue my mini presentations on various multimedia 
> software.
> Tonights edition will be on GIMP using layers and wavelet decompose to do 
> various operations to an image.
> 
> For further info and directions see:
> http://plug.phoenix.az.us/meetings/34-east-valley-meeting.html
> 
> See you there,
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Re: iTWire - More proof of Oracle's disinterest in open source

[Technomage Hawke]

they don't care about accessibility much either. I tried to use their app on my 
mac (they have a mac version) and I couldn't even navigate the setup menu, let 
alone find out what the buttons said. they have been like this for the last 
couple of years. repeated letters to their devs appear to be getting ignored. I 
guess if I worked for a fortune 500 then they might pay attention.

ah well, I have better things I am doing (like learning the in's and out's of 
vinux).

-Eric

On Oct 14, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Eric Shubert wrote:

> Oracle appears to be taking it's toll on VirtualBox.
> 
> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/50348-more-proof-of-oracles-disinterest-in-open-source
> 
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Fwd: [VINUX-SUPPORT] Please Read: The future of Vinux

[Technomage Hawke]

does anyone still in plug have any suggestions I can pass on. it seems that the 
original founder of VINUX has decided to retire and hand the reins over to 
other members of the development group. personally, starting a non-profit that 
can be reverted to the mainline community would work nicely and allow VINUX to 
remain a powerful representative force for the blind linux user.

thoughts? suggestions?

-Eric


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Blaine Clark 
> Date: October 12, 2011 12:41:26 AM MST
> To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VINUX-SUPPORT] Please Read: The future of Vinux
> Reply-To: vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com
> 
> 
> I know the ultimate purpose of Vinux is to get the Linux core to incorporate 
> accessibility as a permanent mainline issue and then for Vinux to fade into 
> history. As a local chapter of the Pennsylvania Council of the Blind we are 
> chartered so that if we fold the chapter, all resources go to the state 
> chapter. That's all paperwork and bank accounts. We have no office or 
> equipment to liquidate since we're all volunteers and use our own homes and 
> equipment. If Vinux is set up as a foundation and then in the future has no 
> purpose and fades away, can a deal be struck with Linux core to absorb any 
> and all of Vinux's non-private assets for the purpose of continued 
> accessibility work? Or (and I really like this idea!) when Linux does 
> incorporate solid focus on all forms of accessibility, could Vinux then 
> alternate into a foundation for Linux for the purpose of continuing to 
> educate, distribute and service accessible Linux to the public, private and 
> business sectors? That would keep 
 Vinux alive and powerful for a very long time, though as a slightly different 
entity, more into marketing and service to and for the visually impaired.
> 
> Personally, I'd like to see Vinux go on forever! Long live Vinux! What a 
> legacy to Tony!
> 
> Either way, I think that we need to confer with Linux foundation brass and 
> let them mull over the scenarios. What all can we come up with to present to 
> them for these scenarios? Otherwise Vinux will have to remain a private 
> entity and will probably lapse into
> obscurity when Linux does focus fully on accessibility.
> 
> Do we have any business heads out there? We might want to draft up a few 
> versions of bonafide business plans and see what surfaces when we have a 
> couple solid ideas to build on.
> 
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Re: Westside PLUG meetings

[Technomage Hawke]

sounds like a good place to me. all I would need would  be the ride and I am 
all set.

-Eric

On Oct 3, 2011, at 7:37 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> DeVry is excellent!  
> 
> But how about the library at Phoenix College?
> 
>  Phoenix College
>   1202 W. Thomas Road
>   Phoenix, Arizona, 85013
>   602-285-7800
> 
> http://www.pc.maricopa.edu/library.php
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Lyle Tuttle  wrote:
> At 07:04 AM 9/29/2011, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> But Lyle?
> 
> It's the WESTSIDE meeting?
> 
> It WAS, it is no more @ that location.
> 
> 
> 
> I have learned that you acknowledge members desires but unless there is a 
> really good reason to make a change
> 
> Internet connectivity issues, transportation issues, lack of presentations 
> all contributed to a low turnout.
> 
> 
> You might suggest that they try to start a CENTRAL PLUG meeting?
> 
> I thought I had expressed that by stating "...try to find a location closer 
> to the middle of Phoenix"
> 
> 
> DeVry is a good place to meet in my book.
> 
> The campus just East of I-17, where we used to meet might be good.ie, 
> closer to central Phoenix
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Re:

[Technomage Hawke]

does it really what OS anyone runs?

seriously, I run vinux (ubuntu 11.1) on a donated laptop (thanks to another 
plug member) and I also run VINUX on a desktop as a host for windows xp, 
openbsd, sun solaris os (intel based version) and OS X snow leopard. I use OS X 
for my email and browsing simply because voiceover works with those apps  
without additional setup. the windows installation for OCR and printing, 
openbsd as the firewall on the network and solaris for the oracle db. each has 
its uses and also has its faults. not everything available in linux will work 
with  orca (in fact, a great many apps in other desktop manager environments 
just won't work at all). the same can be said for windows (and outside of using 
NVDA, its incredibly expensive to make windows accessible for the blind). 
openbsd and solaris can be accessed by ssh and are therefor very speech 
friendly, albeit only by remote). Vinux has been a lifesaver on the laptop as a 
low power usage OS. with it, I can browse the net without having to be tie
 d to my desk and it has been handy while waiting at the local doctors offices 
(playing mp3 audiobooks, note taking and other useful tasks). both OS X and 
Linux have one thing going for them: braille support included). that by itself 
makes both of those OS'es more useful than windows (though windows does offer 
support for the widest range of printers around).

so, so far as what OS is the best... That really depends on your needs, now 
doesn't it?

-Eric

On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:51 PM, Nathan England wrote:

> 
>> I find it more disappointing that the list server lets this sort of spam
>> onto the list. :(
> 
> 
> I find it the most disappointing that on this *linux* list people are still 
> running windows!!!
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Re:

[Technomage Hawke]

I have often found it the case that we all will become complacent when 
everything appears to be operating smoothly. given that technology and software 
change so rapidly, its a wonder this doesn't happen more frequently.

-eric
On Oct 2, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Eric Shubert wrote:

> On 10/02/2011 10:52 AM, Thomas Cameron wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
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>> On 09/30/2011 06:05 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>>> ..I think you won?t find the place better than this site!
>>> http://www.braingene.net/com.friend.php?lID=90l5
>>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone else find it supremely ironic that one of the folks who
>> posts the most about hacking and security got compromised?
>> 
>> To be clear - I've been compromised in the past, too, so this is
>> absolutely NO reflection on Lisa. Sh*t happens to the best of us.
>> 
>> If anything, it's an important lesson... if this can happen to a
>> security specialist, it can happen to anyone.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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> I find it more disappointing that the list server lets this sort of spam onto 
> the list. :(
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forensics and a blind linux user?

[Technomage Hawke]

hello hans and the rest of the list.

I have some questions about how one such as me can get involved in forensics. 
to begin with , you already know my situation, so I need not point it out. what 
tools are available that use a command line or can work within a console 
terminal window?

any other tools needed?how about types of hardware? suggestions?

-Eric
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Re: How to Protect Your Password

[Technomage Hawke]

it would be nice if someone were to include a brief description of the images 
for those of us who are blind.

-eric 
On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Larry A. Thiel 
> Date: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Fw: How to Protect Your Password
> To: 
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>   Given the current climate re: concerns for computer and data security, I 
> suggest you take this message seriously. This is for your own safety and 
> security! If your workplace has been assessed and determined to be at a low 
> level of risk, the following method is recommended to ensure no one can see 
> your passwords or what you're typing:
> 
>  
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> For a moderate level of risk, this method ensures no one can see your 
> passwords, what you're typing, or which website you're visiting. 
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> For a high level of risk, this method ensures ultimate security: 
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> Be safe out there people! 
>   PS  Anyone who can knit, here is new business opportunity!   
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> You cannot touch the same water twice,
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Re: PowerPC Recommendations

[Technomage Hawke]

I have had some experience with linux on PPC. just about all of them use the 
dubs subsystem and depending on your specific logic board, may cause the system 
to become unresponsive.

that aside, the best distribution is debian or ubuntu (though debian may have 
better application support). Opensuse also makes a PPC version of their 
distribution. However, I have never tried an rpm based distribution.

one of the items to know is that you may have to change the boot parameters in 
your firmware in order to automatically boot your installed systemm. I may be 
able to offer some assistance, but I need someone with a pair of eyes to tell 
me what is happening. btw, orca and speech-dispatcher will work in PPC 
versions, but it takes a little tweaking.

let me know if you need some help.

-Eric
623-399-5635
On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Nathan England wrote:

> Hello Hello,
> 
> Someone just gave me 4 G3/G4 iMac's with OS 9 on them. I am not sure of the 
> specs yet, but I am interested to know if anyone has any experience with 
> Linux on these bad boys? I ran edUbuntu on a G3 years ago and it was awful... 
> I'm hoping the newer versions are better. Any thoughts?
> 
> Nathan
> 
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ride request

[Technomage Hawke]

I am still looking for a ride to the plug meeting. I am guessing that either my 
last e-mail didn't make the list or no one saw it. so, here it is again. I am 
willing to chip in for some gas if needed. I really would like to go.

-Eric
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Re: need help installing to a USB stick

[Technomage Hawke]

ok,
I am requesting some hep as far as a ride there and back goes. I live out here 
on the west end and using dial-a-ride or the public transit to get to mesa is 
going to be problematic. 

I can make it as far as ASU by late afternoon and would have to meet someone 
there but would need a ride all the way back.

anyone headed out to the east side meeting from out here willing to carpool? I 
may be able to throw in a few bucks for gas.

-eric
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Re: need help installing to a USB stick

[Technomage Hawke]

He'd wouldn't mind booting it off other machines. However, I think he wants to 
be able to boot it off his current windows box without having to resize a 
partition and all of that other work.

-Eric

On Jul 12, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> Aaah, So it is actually Kubuntu he wants.  Still should not be a problem.  
> Does he want to boot it on different machines, or is it simply that he wants 
> to sometimes boot it on a machine which normally runs something else and he 
> does not want to dual boot?
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dazed_75  wrote:
> I can take care of that for you.  I am in Apache Junction but will be at the 
> East Side Meeting Thursday evening and the Server Installfest Saturday 7/23 
> or the regular installfest 7/30.  If none of those work, I am sure we can 
> make some arrangement.  If you know my number, you can call me but I do not 
> wish to publish it.  If you do not respond by tomorow sometime, I will try to 
> call you.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> My roomate just handed me a 8 GB USB memory stick. He wants me to install a 
> fully operational Ubuntu 11 system to it. unfortunately, all I have is a 
> vinux install dvd and a mac. since the Ubuntu install doesn't have speech or 
> braille support enabled at startup, I find myself in a position of needing 
> some help.
> 
> I am at a loss for the first time since I started using linux. Also, this is 
> the first time since using linux that I have forced to use it totally blind 
> (before I was merely just a very low partial using very large print). since 
> going total last year, I have found doing some things (like computer tech 
> support) a lot more difficult.I know that vinux is ubuntu based, but it 
> doesn't include support for KDE (which is what the room mate wants).
> 
> anyone have any suggestions or help they can offer?
> 
> -Eric
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Re: need help installing to a USB stick

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Unless I can get a ride from the west side on thursday I won't be able to get 
there. I am out on 83rd ave just south of indian school. if anyone from this 
side of town is headed out that way, I would certainly appreciate it. as for 
saturday, I am either going to flagstaff for a hamfest or going tandem bike 
riding. in either case, I may not be able to make it to the installfest

I have a unique feature on my cell service. I can block unknown numbers or 
numbers that are blocked (either with a message or have them leave a voice 
mail). it cuts down on the telephone spam. now if I can just get t-mobile to 
give ne a little bit of a break. I can't use their website to pay my bill 
because they use flash to display  and flash controls to interact. definitely 
not braille or screen reader compatible. at least AT&T has an accessibility 
dept. I can't wait for the merger, then I will be able to use my iphone 3 gs 
and dump my windows smartphone (don't ask why I diI couldn't get an android 
without incurring an additional $250). I really would like to put linux on an 
HTC dash_3g but haven't found anyone who was successful.

-Eric
On Jul 12, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> I can take care of that for you.  I am in Apache Junction but will be at the 
> East Side Meeting Thursday evening and the Server Installfest Saturday 7/23 
> or the regular installfest 7/30.  If none of those work, I am sure we can 
> make some arrangement.  If you know my number, you can call me but I do not 
> wish to publish it.  If you do not respond by tomorow sometime, I will try to 
> call you.
> 
> Larry
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> My roomate just handed me a 8 GB USB memory stick. He wants me to install a 
> fully operational Ubuntu 11 system to it. unfortunately, all I have is a 
> vinux install dvd and a mac. since the Ubuntu install doesn't have speech or 
> braille support enabled at startup, I find myself in a position of needing 
> some help.
> 
> I am at a loss for the first time since I started using linux. Also, this is 
> the first time since using linux that I have forced to use it totally blind 
> (before I was merely just a very low partial using very large print). since 
> going total last year, I have found doing some things (like computer tech 
> support) a lot more difficult.I know that vinux is ubuntu based, but it 
> doesn't include support for KDE (which is what the room mate wants).
> 
> anyone have any suggestions or help they can offer?
> 
> -Eric
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need help installing to a USB stick

[Technomage Hawke]

My roomate just handed me a 8 GB USB memory stick. He wants me to install a 
fully operational Ubuntu 11 system to it. unfortunately, all I have is a vinux 
install dvd and a mac. since the Ubuntu install doesn't have speech or braille 
support enabled at startup, I find myself in a position of needing some help. 

I am at a loss for the first time since I started using linux. Also, this is 
the first time since using linux that I have forced to use it totally blind 
(before I was merely just a very low partial using very large print). since 
going total last year, I have found doing some things (like computer tech 
support) a lot more difficult.I know that vinux is ubuntu based, but it doesn't 
include support for KDE (which is what the room mate wants).

anyone have any suggestions or help they can offer?

-Eric
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Re: Linux and VMWare?

[Technomage Hawke]

I have found that running linux as a host and running a linux guest are a very 
powerful combination. I used this combination to test different distributions 
and had very little difficulty in setting up a new instance. I also ran 
windows, openbsd (as the firewall) and sun solaris for pc and a great many 
others. 

the reason I stipulated linux as the host was that I had far better control 
over running services. I found that windows sucked as a host and caused 
problems (especially for linux guests). 
-Eric
On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:33 PM, mike enriquez wrote:

> I have a VMWare computer running Red Hat Linux.
> 
> Talking to some Linux people, I learned  this is common.
> 
> What are the Pros and Cons of running Linux on a virtual machine?
> 
> What do you think?  All comments will be appreciated?
> 
> It seems like  lot of extra work to me but I am newbie.
> 
> What do I know?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Mike Enriquez
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Re: WSM tonight, need presentation

[Technomage Hawke]

if there is a meeting, can I arrange a ride? 

phone: 623 399 5635
-Eric
On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:58 AM, der.hans wrote:

> moin moin,
> 
> late at Stammtisch last night it came up that tonight is the west ѕide
> meeting. We need a presentation. I can't make it.
> 
> Anyone have a presentation they can give on the west side tonight at
> 19:00?
> 
> ciao,
> 
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Re: computer donation

[Technomage Hawke]

that looks to be pretty close. call me at 623 399 5635 if you need directions.

-Eric
On Jun 12, 2011, at 7:14 PM, betty wrote:

> I work at the 60 and mc clintock on tues. and live at I-10 and cotton lane in 
> goodyear. Does that help with getting it to Eric?
> 
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> information for people
> who care for dogs.
> 
> 
>>> Fujitsu Lifebook V series Core 2 Duo, purchased just before MS cutoff sales 
>>> fo XP.
>>> 
>>> SysRescue had no issues with the hardware, and right now the backlight 
>>> seams to be ok.
>>> 
>>> DBAN just finished so it should be ready.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We need to make arrangements to get it to you.
>>> 
>>> Anyone on East side headed out to Eric's side of town any time soon?
>>> 
>>> I'm located in the 60 and 202 area.
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Re: re computer donation?

[Technomage Hawke]

thanks for the help. 

I left my phone in the message so I could be contacted directly. I really hated 
losing that powerbook. I even tried salvaging the HD from it. that was toast as 
well (heat does some serious things). 

come to think of it, this is the first time I have asked for this kind of help. 
it's a humbling experience. I hope to be able to "pay it forward" as soon as I 
can get employment (assuming that VR gets the ball rolling). this may take a 
few months or a year (I hope not this long).

believe me guys, I do appreciate the help and am willing to help out wherever 
possible. if you have something I can do given my current skills, I'd be more 
than willing to participate.

-Eric
On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:49 PM, James Crawford wrote:

> Fujitsu Lifebook V series Core 2 Duo, purchased just before MS cutoff sales 
> fo XP.
> 
> SysRescue had no issues with the hardware, and right now the backlight seams 
> to be ok.
> 
> DBAN just finished so it should be ready.
> 
> 
> We need to make arrangements to get it to you.
> 
> Anyone on East side headed out to Eric's side of town any time soon?
> 
> I'm located in the 60 and 202 area.
> 
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
> PS I get the list as a digest, so it may be a bit before I respon.
> 
> 
> On 06/11/2011 06:35 AM, James Crawford wrote:
>> Eric,
>>I have a Fujisu (sp) laptop the back light is having issues but still 
>> works.
>>Currently running XP-SP3 I would wipe its HD with DBAN, and could do an 
>> initial install.
>>I currently have ISOs for Ubuntu 10.4, 10.10,  Fedora 14, and 15 burned ( 
>> along with a few older distros).
>> 
>> I will do the wipe this weekend.
>> 
>> James C.
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Re: re computer donation?

[Technomage Hawke]

thanks,
I can install vinux here,, I have 3.0 and 3.1 already on image repository. if 
anyone needs to see my screen, I can plug in an external. otherwise, it makes 
no difference to me if the screen works or not. I might have to find another 
braille template for it, but what the hey?

any specs on the machine I should be aware of?

-Eric
phone: 623 399 5635

On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:35 AM, James Crawford wrote:

> Eric,
>I have a Fujisu (sp) laptop the back light is having issues but still 
> works.
>Currently running XP-SP3 I would wipe its HD with DBAN, and could do an 
> initial install.
>I currently have ISOs for Ubuntu 10.4, 10.10,  Fedora 14, and 15 burned ( 
> along with a few older distros).
> 
> I will do the wipe this weekend.
> 
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Re: event space @ maker bench tempe, computer donation?

[Technomage Hawke]

5 minutes? ok if someone doesn't mind meeting me at the stop. I do not know 
that area and navigation without a talking GPS is murder. also, I am clear out 
at 83rd ave., and it would take more than 1 hour and 30 minutes just get there. 
sorry if I sound like I am complaining, but I am still getting used to the idea 
of being totally blind and my confidence for navigation in new areas is at a 
bare minimum.

also, I find myself in need of a new portable. my last one (nac powerbook G3) 
overheated (unsupported device problem) and burned up the logic board. so much 
for linux on older hardware. :( I feel so ashmed to have to ask for charity but 
here I am. I just wish I had work so I could pay for a new unit but until VR 
gets off its collective butt, I am rather stuck. screen size to me doesn't 
matter but I cannot work with small keyboards. I tend to fat finger things on 
those. any assistance from the group would be greatly appreciated.

-Eric
On Jun 10, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Dave U wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> We're a 5 minute walk north on smith from the smith/apache stop on the light 
> rail, NE corner of smith and university.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Technomage Hawke  
> wrote:
> I wouldn't mind checking out the place if not for a ride to the east side. 
> btw, I passed out a copy of vinux at my last presentation and I was wondering 
> how well it worked.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Dave U wrote:
> 
> > This is Dave Uhlman, I am a previously active contributor and more recently 
> > a longtime lurker on the list. I own Maker Bench in Tempe which is opening 
> > this weekend on June 11th, we're a makerspace and workshop. One suite of 
> > our setup is a pretty good meeting place and I wanted to put it out there 
> > that if there are any PLUG/user group/open source activities or events that 
> > need a physical home we have some nights and times available for hosting 
> > them (for free). All the usual requirements in terms of easy walking 
> > distance to bars/food, good parking, and convenient highway access are 
> > there plus we 'get' what you folks are trying to do. We have soda and 
> > snacks on site too.
> >
> > On another note we have somewhere between 4-12  (some work only partly) 
> > fairly modern PCs that would be good linux systems we were looking to give 
> > or donate. We also have another set which has the DELL capacitor problem, 
> > the machines are 3ghz+ I believe but need $20-30 worth of electronics and 
> > elbow grease to work. Is there a current best person/group to work with so 
> > they see a good home?
> >
> > If there are any current inkscape experts interested in working with us on 
> > some classes for that, drop me a line at a i...@makerbench.com
> >
> > Feel free to stop by this weekend or anytime, 2010 E University Drive, 
> > Tempe, Suite 4. Opening is 11am-7pm this saturday. For all the hardwork you 
> > folks have done over the years I want to give back and anyone who mentions 
> > PLUG can take our laser cutter safety training for free. It's normally $55. 
> > Thanks, have fun, good luck.
> >
> > -Dave
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Re: event space @ maker bench tempe, computer donation?

[Technomage Hawke]

I wouldn't mind checking out the place if not for a ride to the east side. btw, 
I passed out a copy of vinux at my last presentation and I was wondering how 
well it worked.

-Eric

On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Dave U wrote:

> This is Dave Uhlman, I am a previously active contributor and more recently a 
> longtime lurker on the list. I own Maker Bench in Tempe which is opening this 
> weekend on June 11th, we're a makerspace and workshop. One suite of our setup 
> is a pretty good meeting place and I wanted to put it out there that if there 
> are any PLUG/user group/open source activities or events that need a physical 
> home we have some nights and times available for hosting them (for free). All 
> the usual requirements in terms of easy walking distance to bars/food, good 
> parking, and convenient highway access are there plus we 'get' what you folks 
> are trying to do. We have soda and snacks on site too.
> 
> On another note we have somewhere between 4-12  (some work only partly) 
> fairly modern PCs that would be good linux systems we were looking to give or 
> donate. We also have another set which has the DELL capacitor problem, the 
> machines are 3ghz+ I believe but need $20-30 worth of electronics and elbow 
> grease to work. Is there a current best person/group to work with so they see 
> a good home?
> 
> If there are any current inkscape experts interested in working with us on 
> some classes for that, drop me a line at a i...@makerbench.com
> 
> Feel free to stop by this weekend or anytime, 2010 E University Drive, Tempe, 
> Suite 4. Opening is 11am-7pm this saturday. For all the hardwork you folks 
> have done over the years I want to give back and anyone who mentions PLUG can 
> take our laser cutter safety training for free. It's normally $55. Thanks, 
> have fun, good luck.
> 
> -Dave
> 
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Re: OT: Amateur Radio

[Technomage Hawke]

I am located in west phoenix at 83rd ave. and indianschool rd.

Maricopa is a long way from here.

-Eric
On May 10, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Eric Cope wrote:

> Eric,
> Where are you located? I'm down in Maricopa.
> Eric
> 
> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Technomage Hawke 
>  wrote:
> I would like to get my extra. I just haven't found a group willing to work 
> with a blind ham as yet.
> 
> -Eric
> On May 9, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Eric Cope wrote:
> 
> > I have my Technician license (the lowest), but since they eliminated the 
> > Morse Code (CW), I recommend go all the way for Extra. I ordered the 
> > General and Extra license books from ARRL to study. I have a group of 2-3 
> > joining me. Let me know if you are interested.
> >
> > Also, its not entirely OT, IRLP (Internet Radio Linking Project) is about 
> > connecting radios via the internet, and the specs are open to homebrew 
> > radios. These specs and hardware can be open and free...
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Steve Phariss  wrote:
> > I know it is off topic, but I was thinking of getting my lic as well and 
> > would be interested too
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Cope  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I recently picked up a HT to finally use my amateur radio license. I recall 
> > seeing a few individuals on the list with their license. Is anyone doing 
> > anything interesting with their license?
> > We can take this offline.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric Cope (KE7BRP)
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Re: OT: Amateur Radio

[Technomage Hawke]

I would like to get my extra. I just haven't found a group willing to work with 
a blind ham as yet.

-Eric
On May 9, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> I have my Technician license (the lowest), but since they eliminated the 
> Morse Code (CW), I recommend go all the way for Extra. I ordered the General 
> and Extra license books from ARRL to study. I have a group of 2-3 joining me. 
> Let me know if you are interested.
> 
> Also, its not entirely OT, IRLP (Internet Radio Linking Project) is about 
> connecting radios via the internet, and the specs are open to homebrew 
> radios. These specs and hardware can be open and free...
> 
> Eric
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Steve Phariss  wrote:
> I know it is off topic, but I was thinking of getting my lic as well and 
> would be interested too
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Cope  wrote:
> Hello all,
> I recently picked up a HT to finally use my amateur radio license. I recall 
> seeing a few individuals on the list with their license. Is anyone doing 
> anything interesting with their license?
> We can take this offline.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric Cope (KE7BRP)
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Re: OT: Amateur Radio

[Technomage Hawke]

Eric,
I am also licensed. my call is N7ZZT. I mostly hang out on 146.52 simplex.

-eric
On May 9, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Eric Cope wrote:

> Hello all,
> I recently picked up a HT to finally use my amateur radio license. I recall 
> seeing a few individuals on the list with their license. Is anyone doing 
> anything interesting with their license?
> We can take this offline.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric Cope (KE7BRP)
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Re: OT: Exploitation?

[Technomage Hawke]

monday? ppps! I seem to have lost track of time... I guess that is what 
happens after eye surgery. anyway, I seem to have missed something somewhere. 
so far, Lisa hasn't said anything on here that en sounds strange.  seems to me 
that folks need to back away from the keyboard, meditate and enhance their 
calm. its something I have been forced to do since going total last year (eye 
surgery last week to remove the dead tissue that were my eyes). 

so really people, if you have to hurl innslts in public, then you need to 
re-examine the reasons you did so in the first place. I am not offering advice 
here, but I am speaking from long years of experience of having done so on many 
forums and been made to look very foolish in the process.

I think my point here is this: we should be professional on such public forums 
because future employers will be looking at what we said, ESPECIALLY the 
negative stuff.

-Eric
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Re:

[Technomage Hawke]

its a good thing I still know all my hex codes. :)

-Eric

On Apr 12, 2011, at 7:05 PM, Tyrel Knudsen wrote:

> http%3A%2F%2Fbergerhollandais%2Efr%2Fkupikupi%2Ehtml
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plug westside meeting?

[Technomage Hawke]

ok,
I am supposed to be the presenter for the westside meeting.
the topic is accessibility technology for the blind in linux.

my only issue is being able to get to the meeting site. anyone going there 
early that can stop by and pick me up?

my contact info:
Eric
phone: 623-399-5635

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Re: New Server for PLUG Servering a Brand New Website

[Technomage Hawke]

there is that. 
sometimes though, those ARM devices can't handle as much as a full blown 
monster. there are some times where having a slightly more powerful cpu would 
be handy.

-Eric

On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:46 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:

> The only real problem with using this old beastie as a firewall is that it 
> probably pulls somewhere around 200 watts of power, so you could save a ton 
> of money very quickly by simply purchasing an ARM or ATOM based computer at 
> full price and using that for a firewall.  It should pay for itself in around 
> 6 months via it's greatly reduced power usage.
> 
> Brian Cluff
> 
> On 03/18/2011 12:20 AM, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> A PIII 80 Mhz eh? thats a good firewall box. I have one even
>> older than that still operating here (PII 400Mhz 256 MB ram using
>> openbsd 4.1). with over 1.5K days in operation, its been very
>> reliable.  so? if anyone wants a firewall box setup using that old
>> server, I can put the OS in place and setup PF for them.
>> 
>> -Eric
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Re: New Server for PLUG Server a Brand New Website

[Technomage Hawke]

A PIII 80 Mhz eh? thats a good firewall box. 
I have one even older than that still operating here (PII 400Mhz 256 MB ram 
using openbsd 4.1). with over 1.5K days in operation, its been very reliable.  
so? if anyone wants a firewall box setup using that old server, I can put the 
OS in place and setup PF for them. 

-Eric
On Mar 18, 2011, at 12:07 AM, PLUG Announcements wrote:

> We've had a new (to us) server donated to PLUG.  This is now in place and 
> with it we have a new website with a brand new unique template.
> 
> All these changes should give us a server that can spit out web pages 
> significantly faster than the old server and allow it to survive a simple 
> crawl from a search engine without being brought to it's knees.
> 
> We have also moved to a new CMS that should be much easier for people to 
> learn and therefore be easier for someone to donate their time to help with 
> the website.
> 
> Please look over the website and let me know if you see any glaring problems 
> with it.
> 
> Many thanks go to Alan Dayley who donated the previous server.  I can't 
> remember when exactly when it was put into service but we received 7+ years 
> of service out of it.  And although it's still a perfectly functional 
> machine, it's only a PIII 800 with 512Mb of ram.  It just couldn't keep up 
> with the world of 2011 anymore.
> 
> Also many thanks go to der.hans for donating the new server, Jill R for doing 
> the initial load of the server.
> 
> And lastly, you can throw thanks or eggs whatever you feel appropriate at me, 
> Brian Cluff for the website redesign.  (Please try to be nice though... throw 
> the eggs softly)
> 
> Now go check it out.
> 
> Brian Cluff
> 
> PS If anyone would have use for the old PLUG webserver, it's a 2U rack mount 
> HP server with 4 18gig SCSI drives, hardware RAID controller in addition to 
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Re: web conference

[Technomage Hawke]

I could post as private files on youtube and provide the links yto the website 
admin to be placed on the plug website. this will make any video material 
available to plug members with a minimum of effort.

-Eric

On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

> I like the adsence idea a lot. As far as the point being for meet and
> greet. Well that seems like stamtish or the asu lug happy hours.
> 
> On 3/6/11, Eric Cope  wrote:
>> Perhaps you could delay the posting of the videos. Another thing to consider
>> is a service like Viddler which allows restricting posting, which you could
>> restrict the videos to plugs website and drive some traffic to some adsense
>> ads. Might be a decent way to raise a little money for installfests etc.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Stephen  wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the idea of having presentations recorded and posted. but the
>>> point of the meeting is to meet and greet each-other.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Brian Cluff  wrote:
 Last time we streamed the meetings, a lot of people stopped coming in
>>> favor
 of watching them from home.  Then our video capture card burned up and
 we
 decided that we were probably doing more harm than good.
 
 I can think of a lot more fun things to do on a Thursday night than to
 perform in front of a camera for free without the social interaction
 that
 makes PLUG really worth it.
 
 I would be more in favor of recording the meetings and eventually
 posting
 them on the website at a later date.
 
 Brian Cluff
 
 On 03/05/2011 05:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
> 
> We could even use these to web cast our plug meetings ;)
> 
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Crawford Rainwater
>   wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> 
>> Linux ETC can host both Big Blue Button with a Drupal front end as
>> well
>> as OpenMeetings.  I emailed the PLUG Mailman list managers inquiring
>> if
>>> PLUG
>> would be interested in using either of these for the PLUG meetings as
>>> well,
>> but have not heard back on that topic.  Linux ETC is hosting for a few
>>> other
>> LUGs around the US for reference as a donated service.
>> 
>> For specifics and details on our end:
>> 
>> http://www.linux-etc.com/web-conference
>> 
>> If there are specifics, feel free to email me directly as well as post
>> them to the PLUG list.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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>> CEO and President
>> MSEE, Linux+, LCP, RHCT, LPIC-1, Novell CLA
>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
>>> 
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Re: web conference

[Technomage Hawke]

I do have a sony handicap if anyone wants to borrow it. :)

 am still trying to figure out exactly to say for my presentation for the 
westside meeting. I might just record some of it here using the OS X box and 
bring along my portable dvd player and then do a question/answer format after 
the video.. what do you guys think?

-Eric

On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:47 AM, Brian Cluff wrote:

> Last time we streamed the meetings, a lot of people stopped coming in favor 
> of watching them from home.  Then our video capture card burned up and we 
> decided that we were probably doing more harm than good.
> 
> I can think of a lot more fun things to do on a Thursday night than to 
> perform in front of a camera for free without the social interaction that 
> makes PLUG really worth it.
> 
> I would be more in favor of recording the meetings and eventually posting 
> them on the website at a later date.
> 
> Brian Cluff
> 
> On 03/05/2011 05:06 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:
>> We could even use these to web cast our plug meetings ;)
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Crawford Rainwater
>>   wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> 
>>> Linux ETC can host both Big Blue Button with a Drupal front end as well as 
>>> OpenMeetings.  I emailed the PLUG Mailman list managers inquiring if PLUG 
>>> would be interested in using either of these for the PLUG meetings as well, 
>>> but have not heard back on that topic.  Linux ETC is hosting for a few 
>>> other LUGs around the US for reference as a donated service.
>>> 
>>> For specifics and details on our end:
>>> 
>>> http://www.linux-etc.com/web-conference
>>> 
>>> If there are specifics, feel free to email me directly as well as post them 
>>> to the PLUG list.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Crawford Rainwater
>>> CEO and President
>>> MSEE, Linux+, LCP, RHCT, LPIC-1, Novell CLA
>>> 
>>> The Linux ETC Company
>>> 10121 Yates Court
>>> Westminster, CO 80031 USA
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Re: Project Outreach, Reply to Nominate your Project

[Technomage Hawke]

Steve,
I had that very same problem with thunderbird. its not entirely accessible 
under linux. its completely inaccessible under OS X, so I use mail.app instead. 

on an off-topic note: I have an evaluation with an eye surgeon tomorrow. I am 
hoping they can resolve the excessive eye pain that came up on me shortly after 
I went totally blind last year. Unfortunately, the pain has been bad enough 
that I haven't really done anything about writing up the presentation for the 
march west side meeting (yet). I was thinking of a brief introduction to 
accessibility for the blind in Linux and show off VINUX on a PPC G3 powerbook. 
I still have a few things to complete on the unit before presentation, but they 
should be done and ready to go. 

I seem to have forgotten what day the west side meeting takes place on and I 
definitely need to arrange transport. 

-Eric

On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:43 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> I don't know if you wanted private replies or have them posted to the list 
> but Thunderbird didn't make it easy for me to reply privately so here's one 
> nomination so far.
> 
> I would like to nominate elinks, a really fine text based web browser. 
> Unfortunately, the javascript support is very poor at this time and would 
> probably require a major facelift to that support to include DOM support.  I 
> only mention it because a surprisingly large number of people still use it 
> and seem to sware by it but I personally find the javascript support so poor 
> that I go and use Firefox instead.  But it might be an interesting project to 
> get involved with.
> 
> On 02/27/2011 06:18 PM, Paul Hahn wrote:
>> This was originally posted to the dev list, but I am copying it here
>> to get some more participation.  Thanks, PSH.
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> 
>> Earlier this year Ed and I got together and planned out the next 6
>> months of PLUG-Dev meetings. We have posted the results to this forum
>> and are working to keep the PLUG web site up-to-date, so that everyone
>> knows what is going on. It is our hope that by doing this, interest in
>> PLUG Development activities will increase.
>> 
>> For your reference, future meetings are as follows:
>> 
>> * March: MV-Proc and Project Outreach
>> * April: DBUS Presentation
>> * May: Debian Package Management Presentation
>> * June: Discussion on source code control systems
>> * July:  Project Outreach Pizza Party (hackfest or presentation on
>> work accomplished)
>> 
>> One of the ideas that I hope will increase interest has been dubbed
>> "Project Outreach". Project Outreach is a way for PLUG-dev to give
>> back to the larger Linux community. This project involves PLUG
>> adopting a free software project and contributing our time to making
>> it better.
>> 
>> The first item of business for Project Outreach is to nominate
>> projects. The nominated projects will be evaluated at the March
>> PLUG-dev meeting by meeting participants and a winner (or maybe two)
>> will be selected by secret ballot (this means you should show up to
>> the March meeting if you want to vote for your favorite project).
>> 
>> So, at this time we are looking for project nominations. The project's
>> nominated should meet the following criteria:
>> 
>> * The project should be a project that appeals to a broad base of PLUG 
>> members.
>> 
>> * The project should be in a state where improvement, or addition, is need.
>> 
>> * The project should need contributions from people of varying skill
>> levels (A complicated kernel driver for your proprietary hardware
>> would not be a good option for a project).
>> 
>> * We are looking for projects in programming languages typically used
>> by GNU Linux developers. This means C, C++, PHP, Python, Perl, etc.
>> 
>> * The project must be free software, it should meet Debian inclusion 
>> guidelines.
>> 
>> 
>> Project Outreach means that future meetings will involve more than
>> just listening to presentations (although we will still have them, as
>> per the schedule). It means PLUG-dev members will be rolling up our
>> sleeves during hackfest's. We need more than just coders at these
>> hackfests, however. Free and open source projects need translation,
>> documentation, design work, beta testing, packaging, and bug fixing.
>> These are talents that many PLUG members, whether experienced
>> developers, beginning developers, or brand new users, can contribute
>> to.
>> 
>> As mentioned previously, we hope to vote on which projects we wish to
>> adopt for Project Outreach during the second portion of the March
>> PLUG-Dev meeting (in one week's time). Before we can do that, we need
>> your nominations. So, think about what projects would benefit from our
>> future work. Then reply to this post with your nominations. You may
>> nominate as many projects as you wish. If you wish to vote for a
>> nomination, you must show up at the March meeting.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for your support,
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Hahn
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Re: SCaLE

[Technomage Hawke]

I wish I could go. However, I lack funds to pay for a room and gas. 

it would be nice to go just to get out and be with other people, even if for 
only a little while.

-Eric

On Feb 24, 2011, at 9:40 PM, Dazed_75 wrote:

> Is there any suggestion or thought for PLUG members attending SCaLE to 
> attempt to get together?  I am here and would like to.  Barring a better 
> suggestion, how about 6pm Friday in the lobby?  We could even go up the block 
> to Carl's Jr for dinner, coffee, or just conversation.
> 
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Re: ot: funny stuff

[Technomage Hawke]

HUH?!?!?!?!

rofl
On Feb 24, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Michael Havens wrote:

> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NbN7yl2_fM&feature=player_embedded
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Re: Security-related question

[Technomage Hawke]

it will have a unique mac address. 
if you had openbsd as a firewall vm, you could pass traffic through there and 
use the os.fingerprints file to pass or block what you needed.

-Eric

On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Jim March wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I'm trying to figure out what a particular Windows piece of malware does.
> 
> To that end I built a brand new WinXP virtual machine via Virtualbox (Linux 
> host of course) and then infected the virtual machine :).
> 
> In Ubuntu (Gnome) I usually run the System Monitor toolbar widget set to 
> display CPU, memory and network traffic.  In the latter I can see network 
> traffic happening that I can't explain as being Linux-related, so it has to 
> be the virtual machine (which has Internet connectivity via a NAT router off 
> of the Linux host...in other words, guest OS traffic will be visible in the 
> host Linux system.
> 
> I need to know first how I can prove that it's the Windows XP guest OS that's 
> doing the traffic, or which other processes are doing which traffic, and then 
> if possible log ALL of that traffic (preferably using Linux tools) for a 
> brief time period to a file for analysis.
> 
> Any help appreciated :).
> 
> Jim March
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Re: Its an interesting read: Anonymous speaks: the inside story of the HBGary hack

[Technomage Hawke]

and one wonders why we have such attacks happening at places less famous (like 
your local bank for instance) and with frighteningly regular frequency.

-Eric

On Feb 18, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Stephen wrote:

> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/02/anonymous-speaks-the-inside-story-of-the-hbgary-hack.ars
> 
> I'm not a particularly experienced Linux admin, but most of these
> would never have happened on my servers. and i know i would have had
> them tested before i slept well at night. sheesh
> 
> maybe if anyone is looking you can submit some resumes? :-)
> 
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> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button.
> 
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Re: ubuntuu laptop or anything else

[Technomage Hawke]

I find web-based virus scanners untrustworthy and a waste of time. 
I have a couple of live cd based virus scanners. the live cd's are linux based 
(aver and bitdefender).

give me a shout if you need some help.

-Eric
623-399-5635

On Feb 18, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Michael Havens wrote:

> I just completed a virus scan with avast and it says there is nothing there. 
> I don't know if I should believe it though. When I run a scan from a website 
> it says there are things on the system and then I need to purchase their 
> product to clean it. I don't know if I should believe them either. Who should 
> I believe?
> 
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Michael Havens  wrote:
> Well, I'm moving to Lima, Peru in April (to be with my wife and baby) and my 
> Windows laptop just has virii galore in it (I think). I need a new laptop! If 
> I could bring my desktop computer I would but I don't think they would 
> consider it a carry-on if I did. I hate to be a beggar but does anyone have a 
> spare one I could have? Or perhaps someone could clean it for me. I have 
> avast! installed on it (and I installed after a fresh system install) but 
> that hasn't seem to help at all.
> Let me know!
> -- 
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> 
> 
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Re: SCaLE 9x

[Technomage Hawke]

I really wish I had the money to go. it sounds like an event to learn new 
things at (and perhaps demonstrate accessible tech).

-Eric

On Feb 16, 2011, at 1:42 PM, CB wrote:

> I'm looking for someone who is going to SCaLE this year and is wanting
> to carpool. Anyone have an open seat?
> 
> -lnkr
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Re: OT: humor

[Technomage Hawke]

rofl.
I can just imaging apple cussing up a storm. :)( oh wait! I AM ON AN APPLE!

and I run Vinux (Linux for the visually impaired) on the other machine.

-Eric

On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Mark Jarvis wrote:

> 
> This was in an article on The Reg, a British e-list whose motto is "Biting 
> the hand that feeds IT". 
> 
> this video, is one of my favorites. The portrayals of Mac, PC, Linux, Google 
> are chillingly true-to-life. Particularly “Unix Guy" ... 
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Re: OT: Survey: 32% Admit Mooching Neighbor's Wi-Fi

[Technomage Hawke]

lisa?
where was your response in here? I couldn't "see" it (either that or its nested 
in a quote).

-Eric

On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:39 AM, James Finstrom  have found these routers to be easy backup interweb sources. When I lived in 
> an apartment I had a server that simply sat there and acquired credentials. 
> Fortunately my Cox connection had awesome uptime and I never had 
> t=m...@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:
> Qwest always ships their routers with wephed need to use the data.  99hh
> 
> Here is some observations, If you want free internet look for medical 
> offices. HIPPA requires security but not "smart security" Often the password 
> to access their wireless and often their servers is their office name, a 
> doctor in their office, or their specialty. Some think they are clever and 
> add encapsulate the name in exclamation marks.  You can also often walk in 
> and ask a question and eagle eye the password off a post it note. 
> 
> I have several times offered to help secure offices that hold the medical 
> records of me and my family because frankly HIPPA is worthless
> 
> 
> --James 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Lisa Kachold  wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:
> I know you have been mentioning in several threads the need for some
> material.  What I plan for my meeting spot is definitely
> demonstrations.  I figure the demo activity will consume maybe 2/3rds
> of the time and the remaining be explanation, a bit of historical
> perspective and Q&A.  I don't have it all plotted out yet but have a
> general idea of major topics in my head.  I'll have more to come
> later.
> 
> Or after I finish my show this Thursday, I can pass along what I used
> for notes since your program isn't til next month.
> 
> Hey, I did a few demonstrations/presentations with Wireless WEP and WPA2 
> encroachment and MITM attacks using airmon-ng aircrack-ng and airreplay-ng 
> (that I also used at work for LunchNLearn sessions to bring everyone in 
> Corporate America out of Security Matrix) which are all available:
> 
> http://www.aircrack-ng.org/
> 
> There's even aircrack-ng for iPhone debian now.  Incredible, huh?
> 
> The presentation is here (not sure of the quality of the format, however) 
> from a Hackfest early last year at the Foundation for Blind Children:
> 
> http://www.obnosis.com/Layer8Wireless.html
> 
> Let me know if you would like for me to appear and run a few attack scripts 
> (I script these presentations, since it's easier to run, after going through 
> the presentation materials - don't have to sit and type laboriously).
> 
> "All Trust is Misplaced"
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:44:28PM -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote:
> > nice story, but the layout was confusing. they really need to be using 
> > tables and frames on there. having to skim all the other "link" entries 
> > just to read the story. Sorry folks, its being a long and painful day.
> >
> > btw, can I get a little help with a basic outline for linux and 
> > accessibility technology, or should I just keep it simple and bring my 
> > powerbook along to demonstrate some of it?
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2011, at 3:26 PM, keith smith wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Some 32% of respondents to a recent national survey admitted borrowing a 
> > > neighbor's unencrypted Wi-Fi connection.
> > > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/survey-32-admit-mooching-neighbors-wi-fi/story?id=12837897
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > Keith Smith
> > >
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Re: Tonight's presentation on accessibility

[Technomage Hawke]

if I can get a carpool ride, I have a sony handicam that can be used. It does 
seem rather funny a totally blind person using video equipment, but I find it 
only very hard to do so. call it a challenge I wish to meet.
I can place the video up on youtube or produce it in any format anyone needs 
(mp4 w/h.264 is preferred).

let me know.
-Eric
623-399-5635

On Feb 10, 2011, at 9:25 AM, der.hans wrote:

> Am 10. Feb, 2011 schwätzte Tim Chase so:
> 
> moin moin,
> 
>> I was hoping that tonight's presentation might be recorded/available on-line 
>> somewhere for those of us outside AZ.  Video would be great; audio-only or 
>> presentation/slides/notes/materials would be nice. I tried asking on IRC. 
>> perl_splut suggested that video and/or audio was improbable but that I might 
>> try the mailing-list as a place to try and reach Steve Holmes in the hope 
>> that he might avail his materials.
> 
> We usually don't record the meetings. If someone wants to bring the proper
> setup to record Steve's presentation and he's up for it, we could record
> it, though.
> 
> ciao,
> 
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Re: OT: Learning to Spell (HIPPA)

[Technomage Hawke]

well,
I am not sure how I would handle that. I would have to hand it off to someone 
with a working pair of eyes. I would also request a report on what was found. 
as for the why: any such "proscribed materials" could introduce unwarranted 
liability issues to the company. If found to be such, I would order the file 
moved off onto a dedicated device and then have it turned over to the 
authorities.

if, however, it turns out to be nothing, I would inform the employee in 
question that his/her's search and storage "habits" need to be re-examined. The 
emphasis being on corporate policy and security.

-Eric

On Feb 9, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Bryan O'Neal wrote:

> HIPPA mostly deals with protecting you against accidental or malicious 
> disclosure of your private data. It can not protect you against idiots with 
> access. That is for individual people to do. We are more sensitive to these 
> violations then most people but you would be surprised at the number of 
> people in our industry who actually WILL read your email.  with one>
> 
> 
> On that note I am very curious to see how this group, one who is highly 
> concerned with privacy, would answer an interview question I used to give jr. 
> desktop support people.
> 
> "You were assigned to install Office on a managers computer. During the 
> course of this you discover a folder containing what looks suspiciously like 
> child pornography. What do you do and why?"
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:00 PM, keith smith  wrote:
> 
> Let me ask, which do you think got the doctor's attention?  The malpractice 
> settlement or a misdemeanor charge? 
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
> 
> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, ChasM Marshall  wrote:
> 
> From: ChasM Marshall 
> Subject: OT: Learning to Spell (HIPPA)
> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 3:54 PM
> 
> 
> Hiya,
> 
>   Lemmie talk about "HIPAA".  Health Insurance Portability and Accountability 
> Act
> Linux gurus really should be more aware of privacy ethics.
> 
> First off:
>   The medical industry happens to be pretty good at self-policing.
> It's not common knowledge, but prosecutions under this law are very rare.
> Sadly, the whole personal privacy issue seems protected by a
> toothless dragon.  Legal systems that just don't work.
> I can't find a single prosecution in Arizona.
> 
> And B:
> Candidates for cases do exist.
> As of 2007:
> http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1198749902130&slreturn=1&hbxlogin=1
>   "HIPAA violations are misdemeanors, and no one in Arizona has been
> prosecuted under the four-year-old statute, said Sandra Raynor, a spokeswoman
> for the U.S Attorney's Office in Phoenix."
>   In the above case Sean Dubowik, 37, was victim of an intern's cell phone 
> camera.
> The photo never made it to the internet, or this case would be legendary.
> As it happens, this guy is owner of a strip club in the Phoenix area.
> His gallbladder surgery was NOT a publicity stunt.
> It pisses me off, that this gained national attention without justice.
> 
>   Privacy in Linux?  What's your take?  Looks to me like the law ain't any 
> help.
> I'd bet that everyone on this PLUG list has violated privacy in some way.
> Yet, I'd trust any one of 'em in a heartbeat.
> It's the inexperienced that need surveillence.  Or spelling lessons.
> 
> @ Lisa:
> "Trust Is A Weakness"
> 
> (-:  Chas.M.  :-)
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Re: February East Side Meeting

[Technomage Hawke]

sounds good to me. 
I have a complete vinux running on my powerbook now. all I have to do is learn 
it to the same proficiency that I have with voiceover on the mac.

I also need to figure out how to optimize all the packages for the specific 
model of cpu and MB on board.

-Eric

On Feb 7, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> 
> I don't have the meeting outlined yet; that is, I don't have notes
> compiled or any of that.  So far, I just have planned out what items
> or areas of a11y I figure to cover and before this Thursday evening, I
> will have some notes compiled that I will use to keep myself on track
> and hopefully within reasonable time limits.  When I compose my notes
> in emacs (org-mode) , I can perhaps pass that on to you for a
> guide.  You might wish to cover things that are more familiar to
> yourself though so not how sure the whole notes would help you that
> much.  But I can dig up URLs and stuff like that as I may want to make
> them available to the audience at the meeting and any future events.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:10:44PM -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> march is definitely doable. I might have missed the response. I typically 
>> get about 400 emails a day here and this keyboard is developing some overly 
>> sensitive keys (del being one of them). I may need a replacement apple 
>> keyboard soon.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:23 PM, der.hans wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 21. Jan, 2011 schwätzte Technomage Hawke so:
>>> 
>>> moin moin Eric,
>>> 
>>> can you do your presentation in March? I responded to you about that last
>>> week.
>>> 
>>> You've got the date if you want it.
>>> 
>>> ciao,
>>> 
>>> der.hans
>>> 
>>>> Hey steve,
>>>> I still am not sure if I am doing the west side presentation (I haven't 
>>>> heard a yae or nay on it yet) but if I do, can you compile some materials 
>>>> for me? I am not very good at presentations (I'm nervous about public 
>>>> speaking and I haven't really done much presentation before). I have some 
>>>> idea of the technologies I can touch on (braille, text to speech, 
>>>> magnification). I use TTS almost exclusively now. I haven't the funds to 
>>>> afford braille output tech here and magnification has been beyond my 
>>>> ability for 6 months.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I still plan to do a presentation on Linux accessiblility for the blind 
>>>>> at the east side meeting in February at MCC.  I assume that slot is still 
>>>>> open; I didn't make it last week to confirm anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm guessing I will use about an hour to hour and half unless questions 
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Re: Dist-hopping experimentation time!

[Technomage Hawke]

I am thinking of giving that one a try out on the powerbook.
btw, I have A version of Vinux (version 3.1 PPC) running on there now from a 
vinux build script meant for 3.0 (ubuntu 10.04 based). 

I had to modify the scripts to update to maverick meerkat and some packages are 
clearly not available for the PPC platform (such as chromium-browser).

hey steve, did you have a set presentation outline for your accessibility 
presentation at the east side plug meeting? if co, can I borrow some of it?

-Eric

On Feb 7, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Sorry for such a late reply here but I'm catching up on this list.  I
> personally like Arch Linux.  It is very current because of the rolling
> update concept and dispite this concept, the system is much more
> stable than Debian Unstable for example.  It kinda reminds me of
> Slackware with the need for tweeking the main rc.conf file to turn on
> selected services but the package build process and dependency
> tracking is far superior to Slackware.  I love the PKGBUILD scripts
> used to build Arch Linux packages.  They are easy to clone and use for
> new applications that aren't already in place.  I believe the config
> files are more the BSD style as I understand it.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 02:50:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 10:46:10AM -0600, Ted Gould wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 09:17 -0700, Stephen wrote:
 Debian for its rock solid reliability, and conversely Ubuntu being a
 graceful extension of that.
>>> 
>>> I think you're being short sighted here.  Some of us choose Ubuntu
>>> solely because of the personality cult around Mark Shuttleworth. ;)
>> 
>> It's also the reason some of us are taking a long look at other 
>> distros. :-|
>> 
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Re: OT: Survey: 32% Admit Mooching Neighbor's Wi-Fi

[Technomage Hawke]

nice story, but the layout was confusing. they really need to be using tables 
and frames on there. having to skim all the other "link" entries just to read 
the story. Sorry folks, its being a long and painful day.

btw, can I get a little help with a basic outline for linux and accessibility 
technology, or should I just keep it simple and bring my powerbook along to 
demonstrate some of it?

-Eric

On Feb 5, 2011, at 3:26 PM, keith smith wrote:

> 
> 
> Some 32% of respondents to a recent national survey admitted borrowing a 
> neighbor's unencrypted Wi-Fi connection. 
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/survey-32-admit-mooching-neighbors-wi-fi/story?id=12837897
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Smith
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Re: LinkedIn Connect Request

[Technomage Hawke]

its from the holy grail episode.there may also have been a movie. all I can 
tell you is that I saw it as a child in upstate NY.

-Eric

On Feb 3, 2011, at 2:39 AM, Robert N. Eaton wrote:

> On 2/3/2011 12:49 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 09:27:32PM -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>>> hey, watch out for the warple bunny.  and let us not forget to count 
>>> only to three before throwing the holy hand grenade of Antioch.  man I 
>>> still love that show. I wish they still showed it on American TV.
>> They do, on satellite tv (directv). Just watched it for the umpteenth time
>> last week.
>> 
> I missed something. Is this a reference to some obscure Monty Python episode. 
> I own what purports to be the entire series on DVD, but don't make a clear 
> connection. The reference to the "warple bunny" is hauntingly familiar. Or... 
> maybe I was thinking of the "vorpal sword" of Jabberwocky fame.
> 
> RNE
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Re: LinkedIn Connect Request

[Technomage Hawke]

I got cox cable here. I would get that digital tier if I already didn't have 
money going out for other stuff (like my bills).

Lisa suggested hulu.com (I haven't tried that yet, been working on a 
presentation outline for the march west side meeting).

btw, I am finding myself at a loss as to how to write up a presentation let 
alone where to start. I never was very good at this. I know some of the points 
I need to touch on (accessibility technologies, perhaps a demonstration of a 
couple of technologies, etc). I would certainly appreciate the help.

-Eric

On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:49 AM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 09:27:32PM -0700, Technomage Hawke wrote:
>> hey, watch out for the warple bunny.  and let us not forget to count 
>> only to three before throwing the holy hand grenade of Antioch.  man I still 
>> love that show. I wish they still showed it on American TV.
> 
> They do, on satellite tv (directv). Just watched it for the umpteenth time
> last week.
> 
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Re: LinkedIn Connect Request

[Technomage Hawke]

hey, watch out for the warple bunny.  and let us not forget to count 
only to three before throwing the holy hand grenade of Antioch.  man I still 
love that show. I wish they still showed it on American TV.

-Eric

On Feb 2, 2011, at 6:52 PM, James Mcphee wrote:

> Your mother was a hampster, and your father smelled of elderberries!
> 
> On Feb 2, 2011 6:33 PM, "Lisa Kachold"  wrote:
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> > 
> > K!
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