Re: sortof OT: wiki software

[koder]

I have had success with using PmWiki.

I have set up three or four sites with it.
One was for a group of non technical people.

I received zero complaints about difficulty using it.
It can be set up with different levels of security.

There are add-on modules for increased capability though I have never
used any of them.

Harold




On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 09:48 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote:
> None of the CMS options in your list are a wiki.  True, users can be
> allowed to edit pages or stories in these systems, but they are not
> wikis.
> 
> Alan
> 
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Stephen wrote:
> > the 4 that come to mind as easy to use/set up
> >
> > wordpress
> > drupal
> > movable type
> > joomla
> >
> > wordpress is probably the most simpel to work with and set up and
> > drupal is more complicated to set up but very easy to run. and i think
> > better for sites that have 5+ users or a need to synch with Ldap or AD
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Re: Can Firefox be updated without affecting the rest of my system?

[koder]

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 19:16 -0700, Jason Holtzapple wrote:
> --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Josef Lowder  wrote:
> > Is it possible to upgrade Firefox
> > without causing any effect on my operating system?
> > And if the upgrade does not work, could I restore the old
> > Firefox version?
> 
> Why not just download the current firefox tarball from mozilla.com and
> run it out of your home directory?
> 
> --Jason

I installed an upgraded version of Firefox on my first Linux system a
few years ago. Red Hat did not distribute the newer version I wanted. 

I had to fiddle with some of the configuration files but I finally got
it working. I could launch either version depending on how I started
them. 

Backups are your friend.

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Re: ot - What I learned from the History Channel

[koder]

Dr Johnson was affiliated with Case Western when he found Lucy in '74.
He came to ASU in 1998.

Lucy's skeleton was brought to Cleveland and later returned to Ethiopia.
They have a reconstruction of Lucy's  skeleton on exhibit in Cleveland.





On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 22:44 -0400, mike havens wrote:
> DR Donald Johnson, Lucy, ASU, Beatles
> What do these have to do with each other?
> Well, the doctor is the paleontologist who dug up Lucy.
> He is a professor at ASU.
> He named Lucy after the song, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by the
> beatles for those of you too young to know about that kind of stuff.
> I wonder if Lucy's bones are at ASU too?
> -- 
> :-)~MIKE~(-:
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Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server

[koder]

Have you ruled out difficulties with file locations, permissions and
such ilk?

Do we know what environment these files are being run under?

For a file to be run from a browser under Ubuntu you need permissions
set to user www-data UID:GID 33:33, and located in a directory that
localhost can find according to your directory setting in the apache
config files. Red Hat wants user apache, UID:GID, 48:48.

The browser will use the browser root as defined in the apache config
file. I think you can force it to run in a user directory, but I am
pretty sure that is not how to get it there. 

(Can script activation be accomplished just by pointing a browser at it?
If so would that be a security issue?)

The other matter would be how the browser is modifying the UserID and
Password string it is passing to MySQL. 

Harold


On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 08:15 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> Just humor us and rename the hostname to something other than mysql?
> Try an IP address?
> 
> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Steven A. DuChene
>  wrote:
> As I said, on the Apache server I can run the php script just
> fine and
> it connects to the remote mysql server just fine. Both servers
> are here
> on my local internal network and there is no firewall between
> them.
> 
> So to be clear on the Apache system I can run the php mysql
> connect script
> just fine like so:
> 
> Apache$ php ./mysql_php_dbconnectscript.php
> 
> and it works fine. I really believe this eliminates any port
> or firewall
> or ping or FQDN or localhost issues between the two boxes.
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Mike Butash 
> >Sent: May 24, 2009 10:03 PM
> >To: Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> >Cc: "Steven A. DuChene" 
> >Subject: Re: mysql_connect won't when run from web server
> >
> >Is your hostname "mysql" valid, just "ping mysql" and see if
> you get a
> >response.  Try to connect to "localhost" as well and see if
> it works.
> >Most default installs will listen only on 127.0.0.1, not the
> live IP
> >most distro's bind to the hostname from the network, like
> 10.x.x.x.
> >Assure the hostname is valid in your connect string.
> >
> >Check that the sql daemon is listening on the right
> port/address.  Try
> >'netstat -a | egrep "mysql|3306"' without the single quote,
> see if the
> >daemon is listening, and on what address - should look like
> this:
> >
> >m...@thrawn:/media/ext0/opt$ netstat -a | grep mysql
> >tcp0  0 *:mysql *:* LISTEN
> >
> >.. if not, rather like this:
> >
> >m...@thrawn:/media/ext0/opt$ netstat -a | grep ssh
> >tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:ssh   *:*
> LISTEN
> >
> >.. then you might need to tweak the my.cnf to remove the bind
> addr from
> >binding only to localhost.  Comment it out as such, and it
> should show
> >as listening on all ports:
> >
> >#bind-address = 127.0.0.1
> >
> >If you can telnet to port 3306 from both localhost or the
> real IP
> >(telnet localhost 3306), check sql logs for auth errors.  I'm
> most pgsql
> >than my, but I think this is the tree you'll want to bark up,
> namely the
> >binding and socket access.
> >
> >Caveat Emptor - This opens general network access to that sql
> port short
> >of a firewall, so make sure you secure it adequately.  Best
> bet is to
> >set your php connection string to connect to localhost, and
> keep the sql
> >daemon only bound to localhost.  So long as you're not
> needing any
> >remote connections, that is.
> >
> >-mb
> 
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 20:36 -0700, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> >> Hi Steven,
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steven A. DuChene
> >>  wrote:
> >> Hello all:
> >> I have a php to mysql database connection script
> that I am
> >> having a problem with.
> >> I have two systems. One is running apache and also
> happens to
> >> be my desktop system.
> >> Call this one system Apache. The other system is
> running mysql
> >> and let's call this
> >> one Mysql.
> >>
> >> the connection script is very simple:
> >>
> >> >>$dbhost = "Mysql";
> >>$dbuser = "someuser";
> >>$dbpass 

Re: Ubuntu Jaunty Update Pop-Under

[koder]

Oh, THE Ted?

I think that personal attacks are put of place in a group like ours.

I would like to respond with a more general list of things that are
somewhat related. I am not sure where to address them, but since this
thread was started, I will tack it on here. 

Thanks for the link to the bug. Since I am not involved in development
and am never sure what constitutes a bug. I have never spent much time
in there. A feature that I don't care for is not a bug. I have not seen
anyplace to discuss desired features. I presume there is one.

I am running Ubuntu 8.04 and planning in sticking with it for a while,
so I have not noticed the update behavior that was commented on, so I
did not understand what the hoopla was all about.

As a user I would offer the opinion that if the update application is
popping up on its own I would find it very intrusive. My expectation
would be that a notification, such as an icon would turn on in the
notification area (I didn't know that area had a name) and indicate that
I can choose to install the waiting updates.

Based on that, if the goal was to clean up the notification area the
task went amiss. If I was going to offer a suggestion for cleanup, I
would offer the suggestion to remove the network icon. It does not tell
me if the network is connected or not and seems redundant for launching
the network settings GUI.  I do not see a problem with requiring me to
go through System | Administration to change network settings. 

I also would like to see the Show Search entry icon go away. I have
never used it, and the couple of times I tested it is did not do
anything I wanted to use.

Of course, some may find the icons of tremendous use. Based on my
understanding of the principle of Linux and Ubuntu design the route
would be to leave it as a configurable option.

What does irritate me though is that on my laptop the update tells me it
can only do a partial update to my software. It does not tell me why. My
options are to do a partial update to everything, or refuse to do any
updates at all, for ever it seems. I don't know if that is a bug or not.
I find it strange behavior.

On an allied topic, many times an upgrade comes down with a description
that says there is no information about the update, but it wants to
install it anyway. If an update does not have a simple description
available for it, is it ready for distribution? Or, perhaps to rephrase,
if it isn't ready, including a description why is it being offered?


On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 15:02 -0500, Ted Gould wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-05-08 at 03:13 -0700, Joseph Sinclair wrote:
> > I just finished reading the most INFURIATING (yes, I'm looking right 
> > at you, Ted, even your responses had an uncharacteristically arrogant 
> > tone to them, and most everyone else from Canonical had a tone so 
> > arrogant it made me sick) bug report I've ever seen in a Linux 
> > Distribution (I've seen plenty like this from Microsoft, I expect better 
> > from Linux).
> >
> > It appears that the Ubuntu Desktop Experience (DX) team decided that for 
> > Jaunty, they would "clean up" the notification area by removing the update 
> > notification, not a bad thing by itself, although it's highly questionable 
> > that it even needed to be done.
> 
> Ah, back from a long trip... good to be home... but wait!
> 
> While I'd love to say that every message I send is entirely perfect,
> that is clearly not the case.  And on this issue, I'd have to say that
> I'm quite tired of it, and really, I think that my opinion is well
> documented on the Internet.
> 
> My challenge to you is find the mail messages that document the problems
> we (and others) did find through user testing and were trying to fix.
> Then talk about how we didn't solve those.  Or about how leaving things
> exactly the same solves them.  I greatly doubt that we'll go back to the
> old way, because well, that's going backwards.  But, no one will claim
> that the situation in Jaunty is perfect.
> 
> If the GConf key is getting unset somehow, that's a bug.  Please file it
> in Launchpad.  Subscribe me, I'll help to ensure that it gets fixed.
> 
> Finally, for those reading this thread and interested in the bug in
> question it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
> 
>   --Ted
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Re: iButton anyone?

[koder]

You have an interesting gadget there Tim.
I have never heard of them before, but I did a Google search and it
looks like it can be nearly anything.

Alan was correct in saying that more information would be needed. 

The manufacturer says that the iButton is "a peripatetic extension of
the computer", a statement that says everything and nothing at the same
time. 

As a security device it is a key with a unique electronic number in it
that would serve to tell the system that that key, and only that key was
present in the system and was therefore authorized to do whatever teh
system was programmed to do.

On the other hand, depending on how it was programmed, it could be doing
nearly anything else the designer built into it.

Personally, I vote for its unlocking the front door, turning on the
coffee pot and starting World Wat III all at the same time, all of which
seem to be within its capability.

Harold

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 14:40 -0700, Tim Noeding wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has any experience with these?
> 
> I am currently repairing a machine that uses these as a security
> feature. It's the first time I've seen one, but I figure one of you
> may have some experience with these. If so, let me know if you have
> found a good way of dealing with them.
> 
> Thanks
> Tim
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Kernel Panic

[koder]

Can anyone give me an idea of where to go to recover from this kernel
panic?  Harold


The overall goal was to put together a lab system for the RHCE course I
am taking. The immediate project is learning to use fdisk to create LVM
groups. 

I am not tryig to get someone to do my homework for me, but I have a
week invested in this project and a functionally dead computer. 

To get this to work I needed a system with two drives. I took a 120G
dual boot from a previous machine and installed it as a master drive
with a 30 G drive that I have been using for a couple of months as a
CentOS system for loading and messing about for assignments.

I loaded CentOS on the 120G AS Master and the 30g as slave. I took
defaults for disk layout. That gave me a conventional CentOS on /dev/hda
and /dev/hdb all as one 30G partition.

I loaded on the upgrades and setting some things like changing video
settings and such rebooting about four or five times with no issues.

Now on to my homework assignment:

Using fdisk on /dev/hdb, and checking that I was on hdb, not hda using p
to printout the configuration, I set it up with 3 partitions set to type
8e, and then the fourth as extended. Inside of that I created five more
partitions that were to be lumped onto one large volume.

After I gave it w for write I was told to that the system was using the
partition table and it would be available after rebooting the system. 

On reboot I get a kernel panic returned. The only way I know to resolve
this is to reload the OS. I feel like I am working with Windows. 


**
Here is what I recorded from the monitor. The typos are mine.
**

root (hd0,5)

Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

kernel /vmlinux-2.6.18-92.1.22e15 ro root=dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb
quiet

[Linux-bzImafge, setup=0x1e00, size=1b6e74]

initrd /initrd-2.6.18-93.11.22e15.img

[Linux-initrd @ 0x1fcef000, 0x2fce71 bytes]


Memory for crash kernel 90x0 to 0x0) int within permissible range

Red Hat nash version 5.1.19.6 starting

Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while...

Found volume group “VolumeGroup00” using metadata type lvm2

device-mapper: table 253:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed

device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument

2 logical volume(s) involume group “VolGroup00” now active

Unable to access resume device (/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol101)

mount: could not find filesystem '/dev/root'

setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory

setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file of directory

setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file of directory

switchroot: mount failed: No such file or directory

kernel panic – not synching: Attempted to kill init!




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Re: flash bios dos usb stick

[koder]

My 530 is running BIOS 1.0.10, halfway between what you have and where
you are trying to go. 

I too was having difficulty with the upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04.

After much hair pulling a tech noted that the memory chips on my 530
desktop were installed in the incorrect slots on the motherboard. After
relocating them, the installation of 8.04 went flawlessly.

When I tried to go from 7.10 to 8.04 on my Dell laptop, it would die
every time (at least three). I poked on the Ubunty site and found out
that I needed to revert to an earlier kernel upgrade. I had that version
still sitting on my system. I booted to it and the upgrade went
flawlessly.

Those experiences are what led me to question your process.

I have heard stories of BIOS upgrades gone awry and trashing the MoBo.
The whole process gives me great trepidation.

If you want to proceed, would an installation of an old Windows or DOS
OS in your computer permit the flashing you are desiring?


-Original Message-
From: Trent Shipley 
Reply-To: tship...@deru.com, Main PLUG discussion list

To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:54:08 -0700

I think it is unlikely that updating the BIOS from Dell 1.0.5 to 1.0.16 will 
solve the problem.  However, I figure I can't go blaming Ubuntu until I have 
ruled out a BIOS upgrade.

The system actually gets up and running but crashes somewhere in the start up 
sequence.  It would be handy to have some sort of init log.

It did this with a lot of 8.04 kernels but adding all_generic_ide to a line in 
grub's menu.lst would cure the problem.  That doesn't solve the problem in 
8.10.  The printer also abruptly quit working.  I checked the IP address in 
cups and on the printer.  That's not it.  Native Nvidia support also doesn't 
work and won't until (unless) Nvidia writes support for the old graphics card 
in my computer.

I was really annoyed with the 7.x to 8.04 upgrade.  A lot of stuff broke.  
Nvidia broke, but eventually got fixed.  Also, the computer won't go to sleep.  
The screen saver NEVER comes on (except in test mode).  It worked fine with 
Dell's 7.x system.

I use Linux as my desktop because I want a hobby.  It's like driving a classic 
car.

On Thursday 2009-02-26, koder wrote:
> Are you absolutely certain that you need to flash your BIOS to get your
> system to run?
>
> I am running a Dell 530 with Ubuntu 8.04.
> I can't believe that all of us are going to have to flash a BIOS update
> to upgrade to 8.10.
>
> What so you know that I don't?
> What problems did you encounter that have brought you to this point?
>
> HM
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen 
> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> To: tship...@deru.com, Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:58:37 -0700
>
> His issue is the bios update util is a dos based application so it
> needs to run in dos/windows/freedos.
>
> i know there are some tools that will take floppy boot images and
> reproduce them to usb devices turning it into a usb disk.. then you
> cna get a freedos boot image from bootdisk.com and move from there.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Trent Shipley  wrote:
> > I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on a Dell Inspiron 530.
> >
> > Something in the last kernel upgrade really hosed the boot sequence.  I
> > figure I can't start complaining until I have an up-to-date BIOS.
> >
> > On Wednesday 2009-02-25, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> >> Are you set on Gentoo?  [Other's are a bit more powerful?]
> >> (Don't flame me, I have hand scripted gentoo builds [For AZWSX.COM] but
> >> it's not the most secure distro or best for a pendrive)!
> >>
> >> Here's a fast Ubuntu (I have used):
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
> >>
> >> Here's a nice Knoppix USB:
> >> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-knoppix-510/
> >>
> >>
> >> obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
> >> PLUG HACKFESTS 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM
> >> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:41:35 -0800
> >> From: trent_ship...@yahoo.com
> >> Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
> >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I haven't even gotten to the moment of truth where I try to boot from
> >> the usb stick.  I still need to get MBR, vfat-16, Grub, and FreeDOS all
> >> loaded correctly.
> >>
> >> I actually did burn a CD, boot successfully into FreeDOS, and launch the
> >> Dell BIOS flash package.  Then the BIOS flasher crapped out complaining
> &g

Re: flash bios dos usb stick

[koder]

Are you absolutely certain that you need to flash your BIOS to get your
system to run?

I am running a Dell 530 with Ubuntu 8.04.
I can't believe that all of us are going to have to flash a BIOS update
to upgrade to 8.10.

What so you know that I don't?
What problems did you encounter that have brought you to this point?

HM



-Original Message-
From: Stephen 
Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list

To: tship...@deru.com, Main PLUG discussion list

Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:58:37 -0700

His issue is the bios update util is a dos based application so it
needs to run in dos/windows/freedos.

i know there are some tools that will take floppy boot images and
reproduce them to usb devices turning it into a usb disk.. then you
cna get a freedos boot image from bootdisk.com and move from there.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Trent Shipley  wrote:
> I am running Ubuntu 8.10 on a Dell Inspiron 530.
>
> Something in the last kernel upgrade really hosed the boot sequence.  I figure
> I can't start complaining until I have an up-to-date BIOS.
>
> On Wednesday 2009-02-25, Lisa Kachold wrote:
>> Are you set on Gentoo?  [Other's are a bit more powerful?]
>> (Don't flame me, I have hand scripted gentoo builds [For AZWSX.COM] but
>> it's not the most secure distro or best for a pendrive)!
>>
>> Here's a fast Ubuntu (I have used):
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
>>
>> Here's a nice Knoppix USB:
>> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-knoppix-510/
>>
>>
>> obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452
>> PLUG HACKFESTS 2nd Saturday Each mo...@noon - 3PM
>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:41:35 -0800
>> From: trent_ship...@yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
>> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't even gotten to the moment of truth where I try to boot from the
>> usb stick.  I still need to get MBR, vfat-16, Grub, and FreeDOS all loaded
>> correctly.
>>
>> I actually did burn a CD, boot successfully into FreeDOS, and launch the
>> Dell BIOS flash package.  Then the BIOS flasher crapped out complaining
>> that it couldn't write back to a drive.  So I need to flash from a
>> read-write medium.
>>
>> From: Stephen 
>> To: tship...@deru.com; Main PLUG
>>  discussion list 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:32:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: flash bios dos usb stick
>>
>> I know this will depend on the bios i think and what order it places
>> yoru USB devices compared to your Hard disk device.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Trent Shipley  wrote:
>> > I am trying to build a bootable DOS memory stick so that I can flash my
>> > BIOS.
>> >
>> > The instructions (http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/FreeDOS_Flash_Drive)
>> > say:
>> >
>> > And finally, you can install GRUB :
>> > grub
>> > grub> device (hd5) /dev/sdb
>> > grub> root (hd5,0)
>> > grub> setup
>>
>>  (hd5)
>>
>> > grub> quit
>> > --
>> > The line:  grub> device (hd5) /dev/sdb
>> > is giving me trouble.
>> >
>> > I know that the stick is mounted at /dev/sdd  but I don't know how to
>> > find the value that goes in the (hd5) part of the command.
>> >
>> > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/grub_intro/
>> > suggests
>> >
>> > # grub
>> > grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
>> >  (hd0,1)
>> >  (hd2,0)
>> >
>> > followed by
>> >
>> > grub> find (hd2,0)/boot/im
>> > grub> find (hd2,0)/boot/images/
>> >
>> > but this has been decidedly unsuccessful.
>> >
>> >
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Re: Is there a gmail customizing "front end"

[koder]

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-Original Message-
From: Joseph Sinclair 
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Subject: Re: Is there a gmail customizing "front end"
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:42:24 -0700

www.upquick.com/view/gmailclutter.jpg

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Re: Access Control Lists

[koder]

Add this link as well, it is specific to Ubuntu 8.04 and  contains a
caution about acl usage under Ubuntu:

http://beginlinux.com/server_training/server-managment-topics/1038-ubuntu-804-access-control-lists



I tried the same thing and got the same results as you. So, that's not
it at all. 

Then I did a search...

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/setfacl-test-operation-not-supported-266804/

Notice that you may need to mount the filesystem with acl support. 


On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 21:20 -0700, Jason wrote:
> Since it's Ubuntu, have you tried running it as sudo?
> 
> $sudo setfacl -m u:linux77:rwx file.txt
> 
> On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 03:42 +, Tameek Henderson wrote:
> > I tried it with the UID and still no dice.  Hmmm...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --Original Message--
> > From: Bob Elzer
> > To: tameekhender...@gmail.com
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > Sent: Feb 14, 2009 8:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: Access Control Lists
> > 
> > I'm not sure since I don't use ACL's but the manual say it should be the UID
> > not the name of the user (linux77).
> > 
> >  
> > -Original Message-
> > From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Tameek
> > Henderson
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:04 PM
> > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > Subject: Access Control Lists
> > 
> > Hey gang,
> > 
> > I'm trying to set an access control on a file but I keep receiving an error
> > that the operation is not supported.  Here is the command I give:
> > 
> > $setfacl -m u:linux77:rwx file.txt
> > 
> > Here is the exact error:
> > 
> > Setfacl: file.txt: Operation not supported
> > 
> > Help!  :-p
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tameek Henderson
> > 646.427.3205
> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/116/522
> > 
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Re: Which Distro

[koder]

mike,

Live CDs run most of the software from the CD. If you click on a
seemingly inconsequential button and it has to load a utility of some
size into memory, the system will pause while it is reading and loading
the program you have just called. That would be inherent in live CDs.

There are differences in structure between SuSe, a recompilation of Red
Hat Enterprise, and Ubuntu/Kubuntu a derivitive of Debian. They don't
put their files in the same location, sometimes there are version
differences and other subtle things. Replacing a few files is out,
unless you are really good.

You could install SuSe and Ubuntu/Kubuntu in different partitions and
use a common home directory. That would let you reboot from one to
another to try each out if you are trying to learn them, if that is your
only choice. Two machines would do that with less grief, I think.

The difference between KDE and Gnome has just been discussed in a
separate thread.

The decision may be based partially on how valuable your data is, how
much patience and how much technical skill you have. In the past I have
just blown things out and reloaded. Now I have a means to regularly back
up my data and the project is only a slight, although time consuming
PITA.

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Mike Bushroe 
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To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: Re: Which Distro
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:28:00 -0700

Currently 2 Gig of physical memory, and I think a 10 Gig Swap
partition that it finds and uses. I was guessing that something was
hanging up in the CD/DVD-ROM drive. I ran a memory test and found
nothing wrong there. And like I said, both Knoppix 5.4 and Unbuntu
8.10 woudl freeze right after I click on some seemingly unimportant
button.

   I guess that since I can not currently boot SuSe at all, installing
to Unbuntu (or Kunbuntu, for which I just downloaded the Live/Install
iso) and having the computer only run Unbuntu may not be much of a
lose anyway.

Mike


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> One might suspect the live CD freezing for a few reasons.  The most
> common would be a memory limitation if you are trying out a bunch of
> things as EVERYTHING is living in your physical RAM.  It is possible
> the LiveCD is using the swap partition from your installed SUSE which
> would relieve the situation but not eliminate it depending on your
> amount of physical RAM.
>
> If you do want to use KDE, just using kubuntu instead of ubuntu is the 
> easiest.
>
> It CAN coexist with SUSE but I don't think the normal install
> automates that.  There is a proposal in to make it so, but as of now I
> think you need to fix grub manually.  You might also want to do manual
> partitioning.  You need someone more expert in these matters than I
> am.
>
> Larry
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Re: Set KDE as default in Ubuntu? Differences

[koder]

I switch between the two desktops with some regularity.

>From the user's standpoint the switch is almost just cosmetic.
Like most things involved in computers it is the almost that gets you.

There are some apps that run better under one than the other.
Some of the KDE specific apps will not play well under Gnome, I just
don't use them.

KDE does not put an icon on your desktop if you auto mount plug in
disks. When you switch back to gnome sometimes you will have the auto
mound icons put on your desktop a second time.

The menu structure is quite a bit different between them. In KDE there
is more flexibility in customizing them using the drawer metaphor. You
can have your own sub and sub-sub menus. You can do that in Gnome, but
it is more difficult.

>From the development standpoint Gnome and KDE use different systems.
There seems to a trend toward making them more interchangeable, but it
is not 100% yet

I don't run Compiz and can't address it.

Try it, it will not hurt anything to switch between them, except for the
spurious auto mount icons. 

Harold


-Original Message-
From: Stephen 
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Set KDE as default in Ubuntu?
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:49:07 -0700

Here is a question, how much will carry over if i were to switch to
KDE from Gnome? to anyone that has done this?

somewhat related to this thread.

for example i know the documents will still be there book marks in
firefox, but will compiz and my displays reset themselves? or the RDP
links i have saved?

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Alan Dayley  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Dazed_75  wrote:
>> And all because you didn't spend the 40 minutes to download a kubuntu
>> .iso and make an install CD.
>>
>>  I laugh WITH you!
>
> Indeed.  My impatience was blinding me to the better solution.  I used
> what I had in hand at the time.  LOL.
>
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Re: Set KDE as default in Ubuntu?

[koder]

Try, in /etc/X11/default-display-manager

setting it to /usr/sbin/kdm for KDE or /usr/sbin/gdm for Gnome

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Alan Dayley 
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Subject: Set KDE as default in Ubuntu?
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:56:57 -0700

I installed Ubuntu 8.04 on a system because I don't currently have a
Kubuntu 8.04 CD.  No big problems encountered.  I then installed the
kubuntu-desktop meta-package to get the KDE desktop installed.  Again,
no problems.  I set the login manager to KDM. Cool.

Now I want to set KDE as the default desktop.  I am about to setup
several users in the system and they are all used to KDE.  It's not a
big deal to configure KDE as each user's individual default but I'd
rather use some system-wide setting to default it.  Does anyone know
where such a setting would be?

Alan
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Missing e-mail

[koder]

I was working in Evolution composing and e-mail. I changed my mind and
canceled it. I flipped to another desktop to browse. When I came back my
Inbox was empty. Inbox was  not listed in the folder lost on the left
pane until after I closed Evolution and restarted it. Other e-mail
folders still have their content. The
folder /home/koder/.evolution/mail/local has a file Inbox with zero
bytes that says it was last accessed today. 

It looks like the whole Inbox folder was trashed and the folder was
rebuilt on restart. Is this common? Should I be doing some kind of daily
backup of the files?

Harold

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Re: rsync error message

[koder]

Did you capture rsync's output?
It should tell you exactly which file it could not deal with.

Tee the output and grep for error may give you info.

In addition to the problems Lisa mentioned, rsync also can choke on
linked files.

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Robert Holtzman 
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To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: rsync error message
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:23:44 -0700 (MST)

Tried rsync -av /home/username /media/disk for the first time. Every 
thing appeared to go well but there was an error message at the end:

rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at 
main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9]

Running "diff -r /home/holtzm /media/disk/home" returned nothing which 
indicates they are identical. The question is what files could not be 
transferred and is there a better way of checking?

Any help appreciated.


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Re: RadioShack to sell $100 netbook

[koder]

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From: KevinO 
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: RadioShack to sell $100 netbook
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:08:51 -0700


Josef Lowder wrote:
> RadioShack to sell $100 netbook
> 
> http://blogs.usatoday.com/technologylive/2008/12/microsoft-worki.html
> 
> Acerblog We've seen a recent wave of the new small and light laptops
> known as netbooks, produced by the likes of HP, Asus and others.
> 
> Starting Sunday, RadioShack will sell the 2.44-pound Acer Aspire, one
> mini-laptop at the awfully aggressive price of $100, provided you also
> sign up for a two-year AT&T DataConnect mobile broadband plan. ...

So... What is the cost of the 2 year DataConnect contract?


Is this enough to give you a ball park figure?
DataCoonct advertised monthly rates half way down the page.

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popup/dataconnect-comp-table.jsp?wtLinkName=AvailableDataRatePlans&wtLinkLoc=BDY

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Re: calendar volunteers needed

[koder]

I would be willing to work on this project.

Since I am not able to attend meetings right now, finding more
volunteers would be challenging.

Harold


moin moin,

the webdev team needs a couple of people to help maintain the PLUG
calendar. Essentially it requires paying attention to the webdev mailing
list ( very low traffic ) and posting calendar entries as they're
submitted.

The role can also involve finding more volunteers to help :).

ciao,

der.hans

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Re: Hallmark E cards attack

[koder]

I too have received three of them

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Jamie Shackles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Main PLUG discussion list

To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us, [EMAIL PROTECTED], ricky
b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jill Bain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ricky Bezanson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, fernalena golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, RUDY
H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Vince None <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joey Prestia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hallmark E cards attack
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:21:41 -0800 (PST)

I don't know if anyone else has been receiving these ehallmark
postcards, but *don't open it*  I have been getting about 3 a day, but I
saw them for what they were worth, and have not opened them.  My
parents, on the other hand, did open it and it took a good 3 hours to
fix the computer.  Nasty nasty virus!

~ Jamie

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OT: What it takes to be a success

[koder]

Discussion on what it takes to be a success:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/nov/15/malcolm-gladwell-outliers-extract/print

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Re: PCB/chip aspect

[koder]

I believe it is the IBM 390 that runs its whole CPU and a good deal of
ancillary electronics inside of a distilled water container for cooling
purposes.

There are a couple of postings of overclockers running PCs in an oil
bath for the same reason.

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Subject: Re: PCB/chip aspect
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:27:08 -0500

How col.

---top post---

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Assuming your electrical appliance is clean ("clean room"
clean).



On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
techically yes.


On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM, mike havens
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So then, you are saying that you can run an electrical
appliance in
> distilled water?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Stephen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > technically its the minerals int he water that are
conductive not the
>> > water itself.
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Re: Processor Temperature

[koder]

Correct me if I am wrong, but would it not be easier to use a can of air
to chill the chip? I believe that is what we used to use to check of
thermal errors.

Putting a PC in the fridge raises visions of shorts from condensation on
unwarmed portions of the board. 

-Original Message-
From: eculbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Processor Temperature
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:29:35 -0800 (PST)

40C is 104F. Nice temp for a cpu. Should warm up somewhat from cold start. IF 
possible sit the computer either in the refrig for about 30 minutes then hookup 
and see what the temp is. NOT THE FREEZER, but the refrig part. Also, vary the 
temp in the room if possible...should be able to do that early in the day..just 
open windows. Then heat up the place early day to uncomfortable level. It 
should cause a slight increase.

IF the thermistor under the cpu chip isn't touching the bottom of the cpu, then 
it wont vary much. May just need carefully, very carefully and with a 
anti-static wrist band removing the cpu and bending up the thermistor so that 
it is pushed back down but remains touching the cpu underside to get it working 
if when you look at it it is obviously lower than the bottom of the cpu is. 
Static problems and not gently seating the cpu down are the main pitfalls of 
doing this.

Go to radio shack and get a tube of 'heat sink compound', about $4??. It is a 
white gel non conducting electrically but helps transfer the heat from a device 
to something else, usually a heatsink for power devices, but the thermistor 
should have some on it to accurately read the temp. Place a 'dab' on the top of 
the thermistor to conduct the heat when it comes in contact with the bottom of 
the cpu as you reinstall it. Maybe the factory didn't put any on the thermistor 
and as a result it doesn't get as warm as the cpu is getting as only a tiny 
spot on the thermistor is touching the bottom of the cpu..possible...saw that 
on one 'problem' cpu once.

73

Ed/ke7feg  Now that Novemeber is here, April can wait!

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> From: Mike Hoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Processor Temperature
> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" 
> Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 12:03 AM
> Ok got ubuntu installed on this new computer and I want to
> monitor the
> cpu temp.
> 
> cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
> 
> always says the same thing: 40 C
> 
> Seems to me it should vary if it were working correctly.
> 
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Re: Voting rules....

[koder]

In that case, the serious answer would be to advise against parking at
the church unless, you have enough money and want to test Arizona law in
the Supreme Court open first amendment grounds. I would suspect that the
law may come under the yelling fire in a crowded theater concept and you
might lose.

Harold

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Subject: Re: Voting rules
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:30:26 -0700

On Monday 03 November 2008 23:14:39 koder wrote:
> If that was a a serious question, no, unless you are planning on parking
> it within 75 feet of the door.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> Subject: Re: Voting rules
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:10:02 -0700
> 
> On Monday 03 November 2008 21:39:53 James Finstrom wrote:
> > *PHOENIX -- *State and Maricopa County election officials say they will
> > enforce a strict dress code for voters on Nov. 4, despite complaints from
> > civil liberties groups that this may violate the First Amendment.Arizona
> > campaign laws bar voters and poll workers from wearing anything with a
> > political message within 75 feet of a polling site. And county officials say
> > they will actively enforce the rule, asking voters to turn their clothing
> > inside out or cover up.They'll also ask voters to remove political buttons,
> > stickers and pins before they enter the polls.
> > 
> > I think this means all the free software and GNU t-shirts should be left at
> > home as it could be political. sorry guys hey on the upside you get to stick
> > it to the man with a free cup of starbucks
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > James Finstrom
> > 
> 
> 
> I have many stickers on my van voicing my opinions about the candidates. Does 
> that mean I should walk to my polling place?
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In the little town I live in, it is a small church and there is no where in the 
parking lot that is more than 75 feet, so it is a serious question!!! 
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Re: Voting rules....

[koder]

If that was a a serious question, no, unless you are planning on parking
it within 75 feet of the door.


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Subject: Re: Voting rules
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:10:02 -0700

On Monday 03 November 2008 21:39:53 James Finstrom wrote:
> *PHOENIX -- *State and Maricopa County election officials say they will
> enforce a strict dress code for voters on Nov. 4, despite complaints from
> civil liberties groups that this may violate the First Amendment.Arizona
> campaign laws bar voters and poll workers from wearing anything with a
> political message within 75 feet of a polling site. And county officials say
> they will actively enforce the rule, asking voters to turn their clothing
> inside out or cover up.They'll also ask voters to remove political buttons,
> stickers and pins before they enter the polls.
> 
> I think this means all the free software and GNU t-shirts should be left at
> home as it could be political. sorry guys hey on the upside you get to stick
> it to the man with a free cup of starbucks
> 
> 
> --
> James Finstrom
> 


I have many stickers on my van voicing my opinions about the candidates. Does 
that mean I should walk to my polling place?
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Re: Business Apps on Linux?

[koder]

Sorry for blank, I must have pushed the wrong button.

I was trying to make a pitch for My/SQL as being one of the best and
most versatile business applications there is. I realize that is can't
be used as is, but the front ends to turn it into an accounting.
inventory, personal management, or web application server are relatively
easy to implement if GUI is not mandated. It is only a bit more
difficult if it is.

Except for writing letters, which you have already dealt with, what else
is there?

Harold


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From: mike enriquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Business Apps on Linux?
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:33:01 -0700

What Business Applications do you know of that run on Linux. I am going
to be speaking to group "hung up" on Windows and I would like to show
them a list of all the
Applications (Business and Graphics) Applications  that run on Linux. My
knowledge is limited to the Open Offfice Applications and what ships
with Mandriva Linux.
If you know of any application please send me the information about it.
I want to put together a comprehensive list. If you would like a copy of
this list please let me know and I will send you a copy of what I
receive.
Thanks
Mike Enriquez 
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Re: Business Apps on Linux?

[koder]

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From: mike enriquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Business Apps on Linux?
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:33:01 -0700

What Business Applications do you know of that run on Linux. I am going
to be speaking to group "hung up" on Windows and I would like to show
them a list of all the
Applications (Business and Graphics) Applications  that run on Linux. My
knowledge is limited to the Open Offfice Applications and what ships
with Mandriva Linux.
If you know of any application please send me the information about it.
I want to put together a comprehensive list. If you would like a copy of
this list please let me know and I will send you a copy of what I
receive.
Thanks
Mike Enriquez 
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Re: OT: hardware question

[koder]

I have a couple of old systems that are going to recycling Thursday that
are available for the asking. I haven't opened them up in years and am
not sure what is in them.  I think I may have an ISA and a PCI with one
at leas having both. I will look if anyone cares.


-Original Message-
From: Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: OT: hardware question
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:47:37 -0700

Hello, everyone. Here's an OT question that is at least 
computer-related.  :-)

I'm trying to resurrect an old 300 MHz PC I was using to run an ISA 
scope card, and to run an old test suite that only works on - get ready 
for this - Windows 95.  (It worked fine for that.) I was having trouble 
with the CD-ROM drive. I replaced it with four others from my "old 
hardware" supplies in my closet, and none appeared to work. The drives 
would power up and the BIOS would recognize them but none wanted to 
eject the tray. (Actually, one one of them, the tray would work a couple 
times and then be stuck closed until I cycled power.) Could all these 
drives be bad, or could it be that the old generic 300W power supply was 
flakey?

I happened to have a relatively new Antec supply; I'd swapped it out on 
a newer machine on which I'd suspected supply problems. Well, the 
problem wasn't the supply, but I was too lazy to return the new supply 
to Fry's, so I kept this one as a spare. So I thought, good opportunity 
to test my theory.

Turns out that is is an old PC Chips M565 motherboard, sort of an AT/ATX 
hybrid. It has both types of power connectors, so was able to hook up 
the Antec. Then I discovered that the little switch connector on the 
corner has NO remote power switch pins. It has suspend, reset, turbo 
LED, etc. But no pins marked power or PS or RPS. I even downloaded the 
manual, which was no help.

So this is weird. They _have_ an ATX power connector, but no switch 
pins. The Antec has a rocker switch on the back, but switching that does 
nothing, as I expected. Do I now have to swap the old supply back in and 
hope the problem was something else? (Like four bad drives? Perhaps the 
IDE2 port is malfunctioning and somehow confusing the drive? Maybe, 
though I was actually able to access the CD during the brief time the 
tray worked on one of them.)

Or is there some sneaky way to make the Antec power up?
Thanks for any help I can get from the hardware hackers among us.

Vaughn


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Re: OT: hardware question

[koder]

I have seen this happening because of a software issues.

Test to see if the tray will open as the computer boots up just before
Windows starts loading. That will distinguish between software and
hardware. A hardware failure will not open under any circumstance.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: OT: hardware question
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 18:47:37 -0700

Hello, everyone. Here's an OT question that is at least 
computer-related.  :-)

I'm trying to resurrect an old 300 MHz PC I was using to run an ISA 
scope card, and to run an old test suite that only works on - get ready 
for this - Windows 95.  (It worked fine for that.) I was having trouble 
with the CD-ROM drive. I replaced it with four others from my "old 
hardware" supplies in my closet, and none appeared to work. The drives 
would power up and the BIOS would recognize them but none wanted to 
eject the tray. (Actually, one one of them, the tray would work a couple 
times and then be stuck closed until I cycled power.) Could all these 
drives be bad, or could it be that the old generic 300W power supply was 
flakey?

I happened to have a relatively new Antec supply; I'd swapped it out on 
a newer machine on which I'd suspected supply problems. Well, the 
problem wasn't the supply, but I was too lazy to return the new supply 
to Fry's, so I kept this one as a spare. So I thought, good opportunity 
to test my theory.

Turns out that is is an old PC Chips M565 motherboard, sort of an AT/ATX 
hybrid. It has both types of power connectors, so was able to hook up 
the Antec. Then I discovered that the little switch connector on the 
corner has NO remote power switch pins. It has suspend, reset, turbo 
LED, etc. But no pins marked power or PS or RPS. I even downloaded the 
manual, which was no help.

So this is weird. They _have_ an ATX power connector, but no switch 
pins. The Antec has a rocker switch on the back, but switching that does 
nothing, as I expected. Do I now have to swap the old supply back in and 
hope the problem was something else? (Like four bad drives? Perhaps the 
IDE2 port is malfunctioning and somehow confusing the drive? Maybe, 
though I was actually able to access the CD during the brief time the 
tray worked on one of them.)

Or is there some sneaky way to make the Antec power up?
Thanks for any help I can get from the hardware hackers among us.

Vaughn


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[Fwd: Re: problem installing Ubuntu in Windows]

[koder]

Dennis,

You seem to be doing something different than I think we are accustomed
to. 

WUBI is designed to install inside of a directory of you XP system. This
would be analogous to running Windows inside of a folder in a Linux
system using WINE. 

Since I am only running Ubuntu on my system I am unable to test and
duplicate what you are seeing. A couple of the PLUGgers are running
Windows and probably can address that more specifically.

The previous responses to you seem to presume you are booting from a
Live CD version of Ubuntu. I am presuming that is not the case. 

Have you looked at this page?

http://www.howtoforge.com/wubi_ubuntu_on_windows

Is your procedure following these steps? If not where is your different?

Do you have a Ubuntu Live CD? How does your system behave when you boot
from it.

Bottom line, I think is more information on process and environment is
needed. The alternative is for us to try and read between the lines and
guess.

Harold


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From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Plug Discuss 
Subject: Re: problem installing Ubuntu in Windows
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:23:40 -0700

Here is what I get:
http://wubi-installer.org/screenshots.php
After the reboot I select Ubuntu, the Ubuntu boot screen starts but then 
I have that problem in BuzyBox.

Seams if I hit Esc before it starts booting Ubuntu I can get an edit 
screen like that from your link "For Installed Systems That Need 
Adjustment". Is that where I add that "acpi=off"?

Dennis


On 2008-09-13 21:14, Charles Jones wrote:
> Saw someone have this problem just yesterday...adding "acpi=off" to the
> boot parameters did the trick. When you boot the Ubuntu install CD, hit
> F6 "Other Options" and at the end of the line add " acpi=off" and hit 
> enter.
>
> Here is a page that has some screenshots:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions 
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Re: Can't post to email lists

[koder]

Alan,

It looks like your plug-dev ID is set to adayley at adtron.com.

Each list seems to have its own login list, if that is not a redundancy.
Try changing it to your g-mail account

http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-devel

Harold


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Subject: Can't post to email lists
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 07:46:59 -0700

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I switched my email over to Google Aps for Your Domain a few weeks
ago.  It works great except for PLUG.  We went through some sort of
correction for the plug-discuss email list and I can now post here.
But I cannot post to any of the other email lists.  I have
unsubscribed and resubscribed to plug-devel but that did not help.  I
have not tested plug-webdev or the steering list but they'll probably
will have the same rejection problem.

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Technical details of permanent failure:
The recipient server did not accept our requests to connect. Learn
more at http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=7720
[ns3.LuftHans.com. (10): Connection timed out]

I can't send email directly to Hans for the same reason so I post here
so he'll see it when he eventually rises for the day in 4 hours or so.

Alan


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Re: ot: browser

[koder]

FAQ or not, Face Book has the same claim. They make no bones about their
goal of repackaging your information individually or in the aggregate
and reusing it or reselling it in any way they want. Think resume
references, NSA et al.

NSA has been collecting data for several years using collections
gathered by contractors who supposedly are not restrained by the fourth
amendment. One can only speculate as to the income stream that Google
can earn if you give them your everything. 

Harold

Oops! Did I just sign something that mentioned NSA?

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From: Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: ot: browser
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:02:39 -0700

They have the same or similar EULA on all their products from Gmail, to
Google Apps, etc. They basically say that you are giving them permission
to reformat or redisplay your data. For some reason people thinks this
means that they "own" everything you type, which is not true, and they
say so in their FAQ. 

Joshua Zeidner wrote: 
> 
>   anyone catch this?
> 
> 
> http://gizmodo.com/5044871/google-chrome-eula-claims-ownership-of-everything-you-create-using-chrome-from-blog-posts-to-emails
> 
>   I think it may be a bad thing for competition and innovation for
> Google to control the browser level as well.
> 
>   -jmz
> 
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:44 PM, James Lee Bell
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look at their little comic book and they explain that. Every
> tab is
> supposed to be a different process by design, the idea being
> to sandbox
> individual apps/streams from each other. The only thing that's
> not
> sandboxed in that manner are their plugins, and they're
> looking for a
> way to do them too.
> 
> Josh Coffman wrote:
> > I was comparing the memory footprint of it, when I realized
> it was
> > actually running across several process. At first it looked
> rather light
> > weight at around 38meg private mem.  Then I noticed there
> was roughly
> > one of those for each tab I had open.
> >
> > It did seem quite responsive though.
> >
> > -j
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Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

[koder]

I wish I could talk and do more to the people. There are some who seem
to think they own the road and if you are biking, pedal or motorized
that they not only have the right of way, but a legal right to run you
down.

I encountered a trucker who tried to kill me. It put a stop to riding a
bike to work.

Since this is the reality of the world we live in it is wise to factor
it into the cost/benefit equation, as distinguished from the ROI factor
I referenced earlier.

We won't even get into drunks who NEED to drive drunk so they can keep
their jobs, or drunken priests who get a get out of jail free card. 

Harold


-Original Message-
From: Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Main PLUG discussion list

Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 01:34:54 -0700

You might want to talk to the people that hit the bikers then.
I almost died.

Thanks,
Dan Lund
It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
free scope.
-Niccolo Machiavelli



On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:14 PM, koder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't forget to factor in safety. One good wreck and your cost per mile
> can go up with great rapidity. I am getting tired of attending funerals
> of bikers. It is only two so far, but that is two too many.
>
> I doubt you have ever had a problem. . . yet.
>
> Harold
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list
> 
> To: Main PLUG discussion list 
> Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:34:08 -0700
>
> I find a 50-55 mpg motorcycle helps out tremendously.  My last tank
> ran $0.07/mile, and I was pounding the throttle.
>
> The metric is always $/mile, since the miles you drive always change
> depending on what you are doing.  Also, driving style (highway,
> surface roads, acceleration amounts, etc) has a huge impact on fuel
> economy.
> I've found that the Toyota Corolla gets 40 mpg on the highway on the
> long-run between Phoenix and San Diego. (~360 miles) Not too shabby,
> about 9 gallons... pretty good when my motorcycle uses about 7 gallons
> on that trip.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lund
> It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
> to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
> act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
> free scope.
> -Niccolo Machiavelli
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s and 38s, thats
>> better). Over 40 and thats good... (side note, have you safely aired up your
>> tires to 40-45psi, that will get you 1-3 more mpg). The true metric is not
>> $/mile, but $/day.
>>
>> $/gallon * gallons/mile *  miles/day = $/day. If you spend $.10/mile but
>> commute to LA from Phoenix, its still wasteful... but if you spend $1.5/day
>> on fuel, thats making a difference. because if its only $1.50 a day, then
>> you could probably bike to work...
>>
>> let me know what your solar experiences are. I found they take 20+ years to
>> pay for themselves with warranties under 20 years. Are you familiar with the
>> maintenance of solar?
>>
>> And you didn't answer my second question. If we as a population are willing
>> to do it ourselves (which is always better), why do we require our leaders
>> to bully us into doing it ourselves?
>>
>> keep up the good fight!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a car that gets 32+ MPG constantly.
>>>
>>> See attached spreadsheet. :)
>>>
>>> Getting ready to have solar added to my house. 8.6kwH unit so I generate a
>>> surplus.
>>>
>>> Notice how I measure performance on $/mile. That's what really matters. I
>>> was ticked when it hit .10/mile. I want to see $.05/mile.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Eric Cope
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Main PLUG discussion list
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
>>> Sorry to start the flame war...
>>> Stephen, what are you doing to stop the "addiction"?
>>> Why do we need our "leaders" to do it for us?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> 

Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

[koder]

Don't forget to factor in safety. One good wreck and your cost per mile
can go up with great rapidity. I am getting tired of attending funerals
of bikers. It is only two so far, but that is two too many.

I doubt you have ever had a problem. . . yet.

Harold


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From: Dan Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:34:08 -0700

I find a 50-55 mpg motorcycle helps out tremendously.  My last tank
ran $0.07/mile, and I was pounding the throttle.

The metric is always $/mile, since the miles you drive always change
depending on what you are doing.  Also, driving style (highway,
surface roads, acceleration amounts, etc) has a huge impact on fuel
economy.
I've found that the Toyota Corolla gets 40 mpg on the highway on the
long-run between Phoenix and San Diego. (~360 miles) Not too shabby,
about 9 gallons... pretty good when my motorcycle uses about 7 gallons
on that trip.

Thanks,
Dan Lund
It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it
to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to
act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have
free scope.
-Niccolo Machiavelli



On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s and 38s, thats
> better). Over 40 and thats good... (side note, have you safely aired up your
> tires to 40-45psi, that will get you 1-3 more mpg). The true metric is not
> $/mile, but $/day.
>
> $/gallon * gallons/mile *  miles/day = $/day. If you spend $.10/mile but
> commute to LA from Phoenix, its still wasteful... but if you spend $1.5/day
> on fuel, thats making a difference. because if its only $1.50 a day, then
> you could probably bike to work...
>
> let me know what your solar experiences are. I found they take 20+ years to
> pay for themselves with warranties under 20 years. Are you familiar with the
> maintenance of solar?
>
> And you didn't answer my second question. If we as a population are willing
> to do it ourselves (which is always better), why do we require our leaders
> to bully us into doing it ourselves?
>
> keep up the good fight!
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> I bought a car that gets 32+ MPG constantly.
>>
>> See attached spreadsheet. :)
>>
>> Getting ready to have solar added to my house. 8.6kwH unit so I generate a
>> surplus.
>>
>> Notice how I measure performance on $/mile. That's what really matters. I
>> was ticked when it hit .10/mile. I want to see $.05/mile.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eric Cope
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Main PLUG discussion list
>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
>> Sorry to start the flame war...
>> Stephen, what are you doing to stop the "addiction"?
>> Why do we need our "leaders" to do it for us?
>>
>> 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Link is relevant to my interests but please add an "OT" to the subject
>>> line next time. :)
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Stephen Wiebelhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:54:31
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Have you seen this ad?
>>>
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Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?

[koder]

If the utility company would pay consumers for energy above and beyond
the amount they generated for personal use that is dumped back to the
grid, we would have the incentive for installing solar and wind powered
electric generating equipment. Under present procedure you can put
excess power into the grid and offset your power consumption, but
anything extra you feed to the grid is a gift to the utility company.

I am of the opinion that people will spend capital to invest in power if
it will put cash in their pocket, even if the amount is small. Once you
have provided for your own needs anything extra is a revenue stream. If
you combine that with low interest loans many more people will install
solar.

Return On Investment should not be the only yardstick used to evaluate
energy saving decisions. We all have a responsibility to ourselves, our
own and our collective children to leave them a decent world to live in.
A world that has a killer climate because our ROI was not good enough to
convince us to reduce hydrocarbon fuel consumption is not the sort of
legacy I would want to leave mine, or your children.

Harold


-Original Message-
From: Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:24:47 -0700

all interesting points... but which government agency is forcing you,
myself, and every other programmer to contribute 30% of your time to
open source projects that you may or may not want to contribute? Taking
without my permission is stealing. The government takes my money without
my permission (choosing payment over jail time is not permission)

"I think the real measure of a society's greatness is the way it treats
its most vulnerable members."

I agree, thats why I donate my time, money, and effort to causes I
support when I want, how I want, and to what degree I want. The same can
not be said regarding government assistance programs. Thats why things
like the Salvation Army and most soup kitchens still exist despite
government programs "effectiveness."

Libertarianism is pooling your resources for your causes, when and how
you want.
Socialism is pooling your resources how your government wants, without
any control on your part. 

I do take the bus, every day to work. And I bike between house<->bus and
the bus<->work.

I agree with all of your goals, its your method that scares me and holds
back the growth of all classes, especially the poor.

The question I ask myself often is, "what if everything I believed was
wrong? How would that impact my goals? my methods? my life?" I know my
answer... do you? 

Thanks for the interaction! This is great! We need to meet at an
upcoming meeting. 


On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Alex Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Eric Cope wrote:

However, if the government were to steal money for other
purposes, that don't benefit you, then it would be a
completely different situation. 


That's what elections are for.  If you don't like what your
taxes are
being spent for, elect someone else.  If you want to have no
taxes and no services, fair 'nuff.  I wouldn't vote for that,
but I can cope with people disagreeing.

'Stealing' is an inaccurate term in my view.  I don't personally
benefit
from food stamps, unemployment insurance, homeless shelters, or
a
million other programs, but I am happy to contribute to them.  I
think
the real measure of a society's greatness is the way it treats
its most
vulnerable members.  We hear a lot of pandering to the 'middle
class',
and not nearly enough about helping the poor.  To tell me I only
support
things out of selfishness just means you don't know me at all.

You're taking some suggestions I had about concrete,
tangible ideas (get a quote for solar hot water, check the bus
schedules), and turning this into a thread about ideology, about
the
illegitimacy of government.  It's not very convincing, and seems
likely
to spark a 'my politics is better than your politics' argument.
 'Ideas' and 'ideology' have a common root, but in practice they
rarely interact.  If we can stick to specific points, I'm with
you.  If we're going up in the clouds, I quit.


Additionally, when you see how much
money the city governments subsidize your bus system,
and now light rail system, your $/mile or $/day is very
high. 


How much do we spend on road maintenance?  How much land do we
loose to
huge superhighways to accommodate all those cars?  What price do
we all
pay breathing the smog prod

Re: PlaneShift on Ultimate Ubuntu

[koder]

Just a WAG, but does it need to be installed by root?
If the app needs certain OS services it must have root level to do it.

I am still learning this stuff, but look into it.

Harold

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From: Joshua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: PlaneShift on Ultimate Ubuntu
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:56:21 -0700

I installed PlaneShift a couple of times on my Ubuntu gnome desktop into
several different directories but when I try to run it it says
permission denied does anyone know how to fix this?  Does anyone play
PlaneShift?  Thanks

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Re: upgrading ubuntu

[koder]

I would that it were true.

Harold


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From: Francis Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: upgrading ubuntu
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:09:49 -0700

On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 06:44 -0700, David wrote:
> I have an ubuntu 6.06 LTS (all updates applied) server that I need to  
> upgrade to 8.04 LTS.   I've read the upgrade instructions,
> I have the iso, I'll have the time this weekend.
> 
> Other than my custom kernel, are there any other gotchas I might need  
> to worry about when I do the upgrade?  I do plan
> on backing up config files, important data, etc prior to the upgrade.

You actually shouldn't encounter too many issues, especially at this
stage... Ubuntu actually takes a lot of time ensuring upgrade routes are
reasonably consistent. Just make sure you install all of the
ubuntu-{minimal,standard,desktop,server} packages though to ensure the
process is as smooth as possible.

You have the advantage that most possible issues have already been
encountered and filed as bugs - then fixed. You should be fine, good
luck!

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Re: OT: Windows serial port sniffing

[koder]

Sorry for the delay, but  I had a meeting to attend.

Eric is absolutely correct about the need for a voltage divider.
You will need to determine that the output of your system is not ging to
overwhelm things. 

The article I had in mind is calling for an 1/11 divider.

Electronic Circuits for the Evil Genius by Dave Cutcher

http://www.books.mcgraw-hill.com/authors/cutcher


There you will find the Windoze program Winscope 2.51

The black wire will go from your ground to the base portion of the audio
plug. Use a 100 ohm resister to bridge the black wire to the red wire
which goes to the tip.

>From the junction of the red wire and the 10 ohm resister connect a 1000
ohm resister. The other end of the resister goes to your connection. 

I accept no responsibility for any damage to equipment for any
miscommunication regarding the construction of this circuit. 

Cutcher says your sound card will not take more than two volts. 
The divider will drop a nine volt signal to .8 volts.

I no longer have a Win machine so I have not been able to use this
circuit. I hope someday to write such a program in Linux, but if someone
else gets there first it will not break my heart

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Eric Cope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Main PLUG discussion list

Subject: Re: OT: Windows serial port sniffing
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:50:02 -0700

be careful at connecting serial wires +-15v to audio inputs... Unless
you know what a voltage divider is...
A divide by 10 sounds correct, but I am not sure...
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=131827

I recall being able to control some of the handshake wires in a serial
connection in a windows program in a manner that you describe, but that
was a few years ago... There should be some tutorials on Google...

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms810467.aspx

Good luck,
Eric

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM, koder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

There is a program which I am pretty sure is free that will look
at the
voltage levels on the serial port and display them as a graphic
display.
it was intended to allow you to use the serial port as a
voltmeter.

The program is made available by the man who writes the Evil
Genius
series of hardware books.

I am not able to give more information at this time.

What you do is run a wire across a resister that drops the
voltage to
audio levels. Plug the wire into the line in on your sound card.
The
program seed the analog signal and displays it on the graph.

Harold



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From: Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: plu >> Main PLUG discussion list

Subject: OT: Windows serial port sniffing
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:46:49 -0700

This is technically a windows question, but I thought I would
ask here
anyway, because many of us were hacking before MS-windows
existed, and
also ran various versions of MS-windows in our time (which is
why we
love Linux so much now!) and have dealt with serial ports from
dealing
with modems and the like. I figured I would tell you all about a
minor
problem I am thinking of tackling, and see if you had any
suggestions.

I'm dealing with an RFID badge-access system that uses
windows-based
administration software. Basically some software that runs on
windows,
using an mssql db, and communicates with the hardware via the
serial port.

The software has a function to send a timed pulse to unlock a
door(s)
for X number of seconds.  I'm looking for a way to do the same
thing,
but from another machine so that I can use a script or even a
CGI to
control the door. Yes, I realize this opens us up to someone
"hacking"
their way into the office, but we also have a security system
and if
they have root on our servers then we have bigger problems :)  I
digress...

I have some long ago experience in serial port programming. In
school I
wrote a voicemail system in Turbo Pascal (heh), that controlled
a POTS
line via a relay that I connected to the serial port. I remember
studying the serial port pinouts and figuring out how to control
the
voltage level to each of the pins.

That being said, I have several things I have to consider:
* Is the door lock pulse simply a voltage level sent to the
serial port,
or is there som

Re: OT: Windows serial port sniffing

[koder]

There is a program which I am pretty sure is free that will look at the
voltage levels on the serial port and display them as a graphic display.
it was intended to allow you to use the serial port as a voltmeter.

The program is made available by the man who writes the Evil Genius
series of hardware books.

I am not able to give more information at this time.

What you do is run a wire across a resister that drops the voltage to
audio levels. Plug the wire into the line in on your sound card. The
program seed the analog signal and displays it on the graph.

Harold

-Original Message-
From: Charles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list

To: plu >> Main PLUG discussion list

Subject: OT: Windows serial port sniffing
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:46:49 -0700

This is technically a windows question, but I thought I would ask here 
anyway, because many of us were hacking before MS-windows existed, and 
also ran various versions of MS-windows in our time (which is why we 
love Linux so much now!) and have dealt with serial ports from dealing 
with modems and the like. I figured I would tell you all about a minor 
problem I am thinking of tackling, and see if you had any suggestions.

I'm dealing with an RFID badge-access system that uses windows-based 
administration software. Basically some software that runs on windows, 
using an mssql db, and communicates with the hardware via the serial port.

The software has a function to send a timed pulse to unlock a door(s) 
for X number of seconds.  I'm looking for a way to do the same thing, 
but from another machine so that I can use a script or even a CGI to 
control the door. Yes, I realize this opens us up to someone "hacking" 
their way into the office, but we also have a security system and if 
they have root on our servers then we have bigger problems :)  I digress...

I have some long ago experience in serial port programming. In school I 
wrote a voicemail system in Turbo Pascal (heh), that controlled a POTS 
line via a relay that I connected to the serial port. I remember 
studying the serial port pinouts and figuring out how to control the 
voltage level to each of the pins.

That being said, I have several things I have to consider:
* Is the door lock pulse simply a voltage level sent to the serial port, 
or is there some sort of protocol (an actual serial connection) between 
the computer and the hardware?
* Is the signal being sent just a toggle, or a specific turn on/off events?

I basically need a way to snoop the serial port to see what is being 
sent, but I'm not sure of the best way to do it.  If it is just voltage 
levels being sent to the hardware, I could do it with just a multimeter 
and figure out which pins it is activating.  However, if there is an 
actual serial connection (null modem or something) going on, it will be 
much more difficult to observe what data is being sent. I think also you 
can purchase an in-line dongle that has LEDs that will show the status 
of the data lines.

I suppose one of the first things I could do is to just unplug the 
serial port, and try to use any functions that talk to the hardware.  If 
there is any data connection required, it should complain that it is not 
connected.

Theoretically I could write a small a small C++, (or even Win32 perl) 
daemon that would run on the winblows machine and provide a way to 
toggle the lock/unlock signal via a TCPIP connection. I may run into a 
snag where, if I remember correctly, if something has control of a 
serial port in Windows, no other process can open it.  Maybe I could do 
something sneaky like a Y-adapter and just send the signal from another 
machine altogether. I wonder if I would have to use some diodes to keep 
any voltage from one leg of the Y from traveling back to the other 
machines serial port...hmmm
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Re: OT: penguin knight

[koder]

Well  --  yes, but an accurate headline 

"Penguin Knighted On Behalf of Norway" 

is not as short, attention getting, or as easy to roll off the tongue.

The whole operation smells fishy to me.

Harold


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To: quatsch 
Subject: OT: penguin knight
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:23:13 -0700 (MST)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/15/penguin-knighted-in-norwa_n_119167.html

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Re: GCC C/C++ application to run on Windows

[koder]

I would like to qualify Jon's comment.

It is possible to write applications that run on both Windows and Linux,
if they are compiled separately and access resources required by each of
the respective operating systems. You will need to understand
programming in both environments.

Writing an application that is going to access data sloshing through
MySQL on your system is another matter. It is possible, in principle to
write an application that can access the data on a Linux box, in a MySQL
database. Internet Explorer does this all the time.

I would suggest that before you rush off, you need to think about your
goal. See if you can use existing tools to accomplish it before you
invest a year of your life in something that might use off the shelf
tools.

Deciding to use C or C++ may before you have done that may not be
appropriate.

Harold



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Subject: GCC C/C++ application to run on Windows
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:02:20 -0700 (PDT)



Hi,

I'm thinking of writing a small application that can run on both Linux
and Windows written in GCC C/C++ that will utilize MySql running on
Linux .

Initially I need the application to run on Windows XP or Vista and
connect to the Linux box to access MySql.

Is it possible to write an application using GCC that will run both on
Linux and Windows?  If so what should I be looking into?

Is there a better approach? 

Thanks in advance,
Keith





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Re: Looking for a good and inexpensive Linux Sys Admin class

[koder]

Paradise Valley will be doing a sys admin in the spring, but they want a
Linux OS course that they are offering this fall as a pre-requisite

Only three seats left for fall course.

Harold


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To: PLUG 
Subject: Looking for a good and inexpensive Linux Sys Admin class
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:25:43 -0700

I was going to take the Linux sys admin class at MCC, but the times are
not good for me, not to mention the cost of gas for driving from
Scottsdale to MCC. 

Any suggestions for a good sys admin class for Linux?

I have been playing around for a few years with Debian, and now I have 6
computers (4 Debian, 2 Windows) on my LAN that I support/maintain/. I
think it might be time to start filling in the gaps of what I have
learned "hands on" with some formal training. I need to keep the cost
down to something comparable to SCC/MCC classes.

Thanks!

Mark
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RE: Fwd: Wiki/Apache Issues

[koder]

I think based on your previous postings that you may find that the name
for the apache account is www-data. On Ubuntu it is set to an ID number
of 33:33.

How much of the system is running?

I can't speak to your distro, but with Ubuntu, all of the log files are
put in place when Synaptic installs Apache. After Apache is on place I,
since I am working on a workstation, can then go http://localhost and
verify that apache is working. 

If all else is in place I am pretty sure you can access the same thing
by browsing to the server's IP address. Is that page available to you?
If not PHP , MySQP and wiki will give you the 404 error.

On my system the web data directory is named /var/www if you called it
something else, such as www-data as indicated earlier,  you will have to
tell apache what the name is in the config file.

Hope that is of service

Harold



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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: RE: Fwd: Wiki/Apache Issues
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:44 -0700

Make sure the user apache has access to write those logs, perhaps even
(as root) chown apache:apache /var/log/html

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Craig White
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Main PLUG discussion list
Subject: Re: Fwd: Wiki/Apache Issues

On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 13:22 -0700, GK wrote:
> 0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: /var/log/apache2/httpd
> Wed Aug 13, 13:18 # cat error_log
> [Tue Aug 12 20:48:04 2008] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could
not 
> open transfer log file /var/log/httpd/access_log.
> Unable to open logs
> [Tue Aug 12 20:48:53 2008] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could
not 
> open transfer log file /var/log/httpd/access_log.
> Unable to open logs
> [Tue Aug 12 20:48:59 2008] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could
not 
> open transfer log file /var/log/httpd/access_log.
> Unable to open logs
> [Tue Aug 12 20:49:43 2008] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could
not 
> open transfer log file /var/log/httpd/access_log.
> Unable to open logs
> 
> ::1 - - 
> [13/Aug/2008:12:42:34 -0700] "GET
/phpmyadmin/phpmyadmin.css.php?token=efdb69e927969d4aa88deed0aaedf75a&js
_frame=right&nocache=3650775686 
> HTTP/1.1" 200 20584 "http://localhost:8080/phpmyadmin/"; "Mozilla/5.0 
> (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.9 (like Gecko) (Debian)"
> ::1 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:43:54 -0700] "GET /TWiki-4.2.2/bin/view
HTTP/1.1" 404 
> 218 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.9
(like 
> Gecko) (Debian)"
> 85.190.0.3 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:45:45 -0700] "CONNECT 213.92.8.7:31204 
> HTTP/1.0" 405 225 "-" "-"
> ::1 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:54:05 -0700] "GET /TWiki-4.2.2/bin/view
HTTP/1.1" 404 
> 218 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.9
(like 
> Gecko) (Debian)"
> 127.0.1.1 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:54:27 -0700] "GET /TWiki-4.2.2/bin/view 
> HTTP/1.1" 404 218 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) 
> KHTML/3.5.9 (like Gecko) (Debian)"
> 127.0.1.1 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:54:27 -0700] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1"
404 
> 209 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.9
(like 
> Gecko) (Debian)"
> ::1 - - [13/Aug/2008:12:54:38 -0700] "GET /TWiki-4.2.2/bin/view
HTTP/1.1" 404 
> 218 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5; Linux) KHTML/3.5.9
(like 
> Gecko) (Debian)"

as root...

mkdir /var/log/httpd

restart apache

Craig

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Re: backup apps

[koder]

I use rsync

I posted a script on PLUG a bit ago that I use in exactly the same
environment as yours.

In the same thread I believe there were a few alternate suggestions.

Harold


 
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To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
Subject: backup apps
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:58:42 -0700 (MST)

I'm looking for backup software that doesn't back up the empty space on 
the drive. Also, I would like it to be able to make incremental backups.
Dump (dd) seems to back up everything, empty or not. Not what I'm looking 
for. I looked at tar but am unsure about the incremental use. I've tried 
Clonezilla but it's giving me problems which the guys on the 
Clonezilla-users list are trying to work out. Can anyone suggest anything
else?

This is for use on a single desktop box with an external HD for backup. 
CLI is preferred but GUI is O.K.

Thanks.


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Re: Annoying error message.

[koder]

See if these links are of use to your situation

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/108515-unable-save-bookmarks-dolphin.html

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+question/15881

Harold

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To: plug-discuss 
Subject: Annoying error message.
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:45:36 -0700

Dolphin (a KDE file browser application) under KUbuntu Hardy.

Gives this error.  I run into a lot of problems with program's wanting root 
access.  I suspect that in this case it is a permissions problem again.  Any 
suggestions are welcome.

Unable to save bookmarks 
in /home/tshipley/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: 
Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of 
the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a 
full hard drive.
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Re: scribus image import

[koder]

If you put a frame for an image on your work surface (There is an icon
to turn that on) then draw a frame for an image the Import (Ctrl + D)
will become active. 




-Original Message-
From: der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: quatsch 
Subject: scribus image import
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:23:38 -0700 (MST)

moin moin,

I found several claims that scribus can import JPG.

Under File->Import it has -D for pictures, but it's greyed out.
Tried just using -D, but that's also a nogo.

Am I missing some plugin? Did Ubuntu cripple it for some reason? Package
description includes importing JPG, so Ubuntu shouldn't be turning off
that feature.

Is there something that needs to be enabled in the prefs?

ciao,

der.hans

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Re: backup software recommendations?

[koder]

I like Joseph's use of NULL to avoid backing up tmp files.

Here is my rsync script for backing up a small home network:

#
##  the line for wiki must be run as root
##

###
##  Start script here:   ##
###

# set 'now' to time and date for filename
now=BUDD$(date +%y%m%d)-$(date +%H%M)
mkdir /media/_bu/$now
sudo rsync -avh /var/www/ddwiki/wiki.d/ /media/_bu/$now/wiki.d.bu |
tee /media/_bu/$now/bu.log
rsync -avh /home/koder/ /media/_bu/$now/koder  | tee
-a /media/_bu/$now/bu.log

###
##  End script here: ##
###

My mail editor wrapped the line at the tee option.

I locate the system time and date, format it the way I like, then make a
directory in target media. This gives a time stamped folder to store
data in.

The BUDD is Back Up Delta Dawn, the computer I am working with.
I tee the output to a file on the external so I can review what was done
if I desire.

It is relatively simple, easy to understand and readily modifiable.
You could tell it to omit things if you wanted to. For me it is easier
to just grab it all.

I am only backing up personal data since I can rebuild the machine if I
need to.

I need to have it make sure the media is available and abort if it is
not, but that is for later. 

Harold

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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: backup software recommendations?
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:24:27 -0700

I ended up using DAR for a backup I needed to do to a 500G USB drive.  It took 
roughly 28 hours (USB isn't a very good filesystem interface, especially for 
400G of backup data...), but it worked fairly well.

Below is the command I ran (from /, and after dropping the system into single 
user mode, very important when backing up the root filesystem...)

dar -y9 -s 4G -D -R / -c "/media/disk/Backup-$(date -I)" -Z "*.gz" -Z "*.bz2" 
-Z "*.zip" -Z "*.png" -Z "*.jpg" -Z "*.jpeg" -P tmp -P mnt -P dev -P proc -P 
"media/*" -P var/run -P var/lock -P "lib/modules/2.6.*/volatile" &1 1>"/tmp/darbackup$(date -I).out" &


Alex Dean wrote:
> Matrix Mole wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Alex Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I need backup software for a home network.  Mix of Linux and OSX
>>> machines.
>>>  Will be using an external HDD for backup media.  The backup server
>>> will run
>>> on one of the OSX machines, since it's the only non-laptop I have.  I'm
>>> mainly looking for something that's easy to configure and has minimal
>>> resource consumption.
>>
>> I like the rsync option for backup purposes. I'm not sure if it'll
>> work for your setup. I've been using it to keep my web servers safe
>> and stored on my local network from their remote machine locations.
>> Plus, with rsync being command line, it should be very easy to write
>> shell scripts for it.
> 
> I'm sure it would work.  But honestly, I don't want to write all those
> scripts.  I think it's probably already been done by others who have
> considered more cases than I'm likely to think of.
> 
> DIY is cool when you're interested in the project, but I'm not that
> interested in this.  I just want something I can fire up and get my
> machines backed up with minimal effort.
> 
> thanks,
> alex
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Tee Shirts?

[koder]

I like the Penguin in the Desert myself.

Harold

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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Tee Shirts?
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:01:25 -0700 (PDT)

A Hopi Kachina penguin, while a great idea, might be construed as
cultural theft and misuse of sacred traditional people's symbols?

And now that one appraises it critically, the whole global warming,
endangered penguin situation might lead one to develop a new symbol,
since everything is going to be desert soon?

(503)754-4452 Blackberry || www.obnosis.com
via USB PPP EDVO/CDMA on Dell Latitude PII - Kubuntu 7.10

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Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 8:49 PM

What about a Penguin as a Hopi Kachina?

Just a thought

Brian
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Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?

[koder]

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Subject: Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:15:39 -0700

Has anyone seen this article?

 http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2006/03/ota_hd_demystif.php


Looks like a good resource for HDTV info.
Here's HDTV's mission statement:

  http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/about/index.php

Harold says: 

The above link makes the statement that 
"HDTV it is the most influential force on earth today?"

Is it hyperbole or myopia?

Barf, barf






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Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?

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To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:58:12 -0700


Josef Lowder wrote:
> What do recommend as the best HDTV antenna setup?
>
> Does signal strength need to be boosted if I put an antenna in my attic
> and run a long coax cable to connect it into my house cable with 3 devices
> connected?
> ---
>   
I didn't need to boost it, and I ran about 100 feet of coax.  But I only 
connected it to one TV, so it might be different for you.  (What a 
cheapskate  I am! I buy a 50-inch TV and I _still_ don't have cable. :-) )

Vaughn


Cheapskate?

I count that as prudent stewardship of family resources.

Cable gives you hundreds of channels with nothing to watch and ongoing monthly 
expense.

C-Span, Sci-Fi and the Weather Channel otherwise the results are boring, 
boring, unless you have vegged your mind to the level of a five year old.



Who is Bitter and Cynical, he asks self?

Harold
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OT Air Scooter

[koder]

> 
> If it becomes a regular event for me, someone will have to get me a
> smoking deal on a scooter, electric car, or car pool with me.
> 
> :)

http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_specs.htm

I wonder if that would be any more efficient than a car...

Tuna

* * *

If my math is correct the machine is giving about 12.7 MPG.

I would count this astonishing for any kind of flying vehicle, short of one of 
those fans you strap to your butt.
$50,000.00 is not unreasonable for an aircraft either, 
however compared to a scooter, electric or car pool, not so good.

I think you may have a challenge making a case for being more efficient than a 
car.

I also like the presenter, she has a very pleasant voice.
I think I may have fallen in lust.

Harold

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Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?

[koder]

In principle, yes.

Put the antenna where it will get the best reception.
Play with it to determine where that is.

Perhaps what you may need is a 'T' connector, depending on your setup.
Radio Shack and Fry's have lots of options.

Try to use as few connectors as possible. 
Each one saps signal strength.

At one time having a UHF antenna on the TV was considered the epitome of
in.
The more knobs and gadgets on it the better.

Harold

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Subject: Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:50:55 -0700

Thanks, plugger friends, for your responses.

So, may I ask one more related question:

Since there are cable jacks in three rooms in our house,
could I just relocate in the unsightly "set-top" UHF antenna
that I now have sitting on top of the TV in the living room and
perhaps use a double-male coupler (is there such a thing)
to plug that simple antenna into the cabling that runs through
the house and thereby obtain a signal for the other two rooms?


On 7/4/08, eculbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ANY good uhf antenna IS a hdtv antenna. As long as it will receive
in the 800mhz band, don't waste your money on 'special hdtv antennas'.
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Re: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?

[koder]

Try this link.

http://www.hdtvantennalabs.com/hdtv-antenna-hype.php

It says in essence there is no such thing as a HDTV antenna.
An antenna is an antenna.


Signal boosters will amplify the bad along with the good.

Try it without and see what you get. You can always spend money later.

Harold


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To: Plug 
Subject: OT: What's the best HDTV antenna setup?
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 11:22:17 -0700

What do recommend as the best HDTV antenna setup?

Does signal strength need to be boosted if I put an antenna in my attic
and run a long coax cable to connect it into my house cable with 3 devices
connected?
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Re: laptop power button advise

[koder]

Pressing and holding the power button to power the computer on any
contemporary desktop or laptop prevents the OS from writing the
information it needs to store to do a graceful shutdown. 

That process is only used if you have a severe lockup. It has the
possibility and perhaps even probability of leaving your system in an
unstable condition when you power it back up.

I would opine that leaving a text document open in the background falls
in the category of a real kludge. I have not looked at it but I know
Linux uses scripts to shut system down. You should be able to modify
them to function as you desire, in this case ask you if you want to shut
down or not giving you the option of aborting shutdown.

Disabling the power button will sooner or later leave you with a system
that will have to have the battery removed to turn it off. Very
undesirable.

Try looking for the file power.sh
I found mine in /etc/acpi/ on my Ubuntu 7.04 system

Here is an article on the acpid daemon that seems to interface with the
power button.

http://www.hscripts.com/tutorials/linux-services/acpid.html

Hope that is of some use.

Harold


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Subject: Re: laptop power button advise
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:09:23 -0700

Historically most BIOS's have a way to set whether the power button is
an instant off or one that requires you to hold the button depressed
for a number of seconds (usually 15).  So you might want to check
yours.  Personally, I think the default should require holding the
button in for a time.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:37 AM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I discovered how to make it so a laptop won't power off if the power
> button is accidently pressesd! What I do is open a text document and
> do something to it that will make it prompt you if you want to save it
> before it closes. That way if the power buttoon is pressed it will
> give you the prompt and then (for my computer) I wait for a question
> whether I WANT to shut down everything immediately.
>
> Does anyone know how to make it so the power button will not turn off
> a lapto? I have a tohiba satellite m-36x . Google was of little help.
>
>
>
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Re: are my mails making it?

[koder]

It worked once in a row.
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Subject: are my mails making it?
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:29:32 -0700

seems that either my mails are making it and no one has answered, or
they are, in which case, no one has seen them.

how bout it folks? am I making the list?
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Re: limited or no connectivity

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Mike,

It is not clear what you can and can't get going. 

How many of the troubleshooting steps are you able to get through before
failure?
You said you can't connect to Linksys from laptop.
Can you connect to the router from other PCs?
Can you PING 127.0.0.1?
If you connect laptop using wired connection can you ping or log onto
Linksys main page?
You will have to do that so you can determine what it is set for and
troubleshoot it if needed.

Does the Linksys have encryption set up, if not why not?

How did you determine you have a strong signal?

Hope that is a start.

Harold

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Subject: Re: limited or no connectivity
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:02:51 -0400

Say what? I stuck the disk that came with router in and couldn't find
anything of note. I guess I'll look again. or am I chasing my big
long tail?

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the DHCP settings in on the front screen of the linksys-g router access.
>
> Sincerely,
> Judd Pickell
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 1:24 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> it is a linksys-g I couldn't tell you most likely not. I
>> looked in the wireless settings to no avail
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> If you don't have it DHCP on the connection, then you have to set the
>>> IP info directly (including DNS info) for your connection. Is your
>>> router setup to DHCP?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 sorry for the confusion I have limited or no connectivity on the
 computer away from the wireless router. The signal strength is great!
 Funny thing is that when I make the wireless wired it still does not work

 maybe I need to tell it to assign it an ip address? no.


 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Judd Pickell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You will need to be more specific on what is not working
> The laptop can't connect to the router?
> You can't ping an IP for google?
> No computer can use the router?
> Can't ping a dns name such as google?
> etc..
>
> Sincerely,
> Judd Pickell
>
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM, mike havens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I hooked a wireless router up to the laptop to send internet to sister
>> in Law's laptop. Well, this worked when I was in Phoenix but it isn't
>> working here in Florida. Any ideas?
>>
>> --
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> In Phoenix I was feeding broadband internet from the laptop to the
>> tower hmm. I was doing that over a wire.
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Re: OT? (maybe) http://komando.com/ promotes Floss on radio

[koder]

Kim used to have a column in one of the free computer newspapers back in
the days when they had such things.

The reference you are looking for is accessed from the columns tab. It
was in a column on "10 free alternatives to popular pricey programs"

http://www.komando.com/columns/index.aspx?id=5046

I think she used to title herself Kim, The Computer Goddess.
Hard to dispute with her on that.

Harold

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Subject: OT? (maybe) http://komando.com/ promotes Floss on radio
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:59:37 -0700

Today in the car, while listening to AM 550 (KFYI),
  Kim Komando was saying something about
  how Microsoft Office can be expensive, while openoffice.org
  [OOo] can do just about the same things, for way less money.
Whoa!  that wasn't expected!  (by me...)
She also mentioned some other free (or "open source")
  software - such as, I remember GIMP for sure, but I am
  not sure what others.  She 'might' have mentioned Firefox.
  I did not write it down (I was driving).
She did say that one could go to her web site at
   http://komando.com/
  and then just click on (something or other).
I went to that web site, and I tried clicking on a few of the
  choices. I do not think that "Cool Sites" is the thing to
  click on, but it might be "Downloads".  (but I tried that,
  and there was probably a sequence of sub-options to click,
  that she talked about, but that I do not remember...).
I  thought this was interesting, because in the past I always
  just sorta assumed that a radio person would just see who
  advertises, and that would influence their opinions about
  things, and their choices of what to talk about.
In this case, it sounds like Kim Komando was just "telling
  it like it is", perhaps as a way of creating credibility with
  listeners -- so that they will conclude that she is a good
  source of info about computer related stuff.
  (and maybe there is some truth to that -- now).
It does make sense that, for stuff like free (or "open source")
  software, that "word of mouth" endorsements would give it
  a lot of popularity, especially in light of the price.  (and
  related factors, such as reduced incentive for the distributors
  to try to achieve some kind of "vendor lock in" using
  proprietary data formats, or non-standard features, etc.)
However, I was still a little surprised, and maybe puzzled.
  Why would Kim Komando want to tell folks about free
  (or "open source") software?  Other than maybe out of
  the goodness of her heart?  (just how much goodness
  does her heart have?)
Well one possible reason, might be to cause listeners to
  read her web site.  (I probably had ever spent much
  time - and ZERO money - there before, but today I
  read most of "http://www.komando.com/about/";).
It's a big bright world out there.
Don't take my word for it.
See for yourself.
--
Mike Schwartz
Glendale AZ
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Re: I miss you guys!

[koder]

It is nice and flattering to be missed.

It is Florida. The Protestant work Ethic ofttimes gets lost in the heat
and humidity. 

(Wow, how many people did I manage to offend at one crack with that
comment?)

Perhaps we can engage in some sort of mutual exchange for the benefit of
all.

By the way, I have friends and kin in Hollywood area. Enjoy.

Harold



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Subject: I miss you guys!
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:45:31 -0400

The linux group in my area (Hollywood, Florida) is sure slow!


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Re: OT Mobilization Orders

[koder]

Kevin,

MI, the ultimate oxymoron

Keep safe

Hope they let you take a computer so you can keep in touch.

Harold




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Re: Why is email I send to plug from gmail not delivered?

[koder]

I hope this is not a dumb question.
I know you guys have been scuffling iwth this issue for a while.

The PLUG account will only accept inbound mail from the account you have
listed as your account. I can't send PLUG mail through my g-mail account
as long as I have it set to my Earthlink address. I also discovered that
each of the lists maintains its own list of acceptable addresses it will
allow mail from.

What is your PLUG account set to?

Harold


-Original Message-
From: Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list

To: Main PLUG discussion list 
Subject: Re: Why is email I send to plug from gmail not delivered?
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 13:09:04 -0700

I checked and yes, my profile is set to send copies to me of messages that
I send to the PLUG list ... and as I previously explained, that does work fine
when I send a message from my other web mail client, but not when I send
a message from gmail.


On 6/4/08, David Bendit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure you have the PLUG lists set to send you messages you send? Go
> to
> http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us/cgi-bin/mailman/options/plug-applications/[EMAIL
>  PROTECTED]
> and make sure it's set to send you copies of messages you send to the list.
>
>  -David
>
>  Josef Lowder wrote:
>
> >
> > That does not seem to be universally tru, Francis.
> > I sent the same message from my other web mail client
> > and it showed up in the PLUG threads, but the one I sent
> > from gmail never did show up.  I wonder why and what
> > I can do to fix this problem.
> >
> > (Sorry for top posting, but that is the way gmail does it
> > and I don't know how to fix that.)
> >
> > joe
> >
> > -
> > On 6/4/08, Francis Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Mailing lists do not show you mail you've sent...
> > >
> > >  If you set up gmail with IMAP, and use evolution in threading mode, it
> > >  will show up in the thread as you'd expect.
> > >
> > >  On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 10:51 -0600, Josef Lowder wrote:
> > >  > .
> > >  > Why is email that I send to plug from gmail not delivered?
> > >  >
> > >  > Yesterday, I sent an email message to plug from gmail and
> > >  > it never did show up.  Today, I tried again, sending the
> > >  > message shown below, and it also has not been delivered.
> > >  >
> > >  > 
> > >  > from  Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hide details 9:39 am
> > >  > toplug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us
> > >  > date  Jun 4, 2008 9:39 AM
> > >  > subject   test only
> > >  > mailed-by - gmail.com
> > >  > Wednesday, June 4, 2008 at 9:40 am
> > >  > Just testing to see if this message gets delivered to plug.
> > >  > 
> > >  >
> > >  > Other email messages that I have sent from my new gmail
> > >  > account are apparently being delivered, so why do messages
> > >  > to plug not get delivered and/or posted?
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Re: Cox Internet connectivity..

[koder]

Quoting:
"If you really want a bulletproof connection, get a dedicated T1 line
(or faster)."

Correct me if I am wrong, but based on my experience in another city,
our T1 connection physically came from the local phone company. Is it
not the same in most cities, with the exceptions of some that have
diverse backbone options?

I know that our T1 would go down with some regularity. In spite of all
that we were able to do, we would lose it about once every three or four
months for a few hours, once for day and a half. Very bad for a branch
of a major corporation.

Harold


On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 20:49 -0700, KevinO wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Umm...I must be missing something here: you still need the hard
> > connection
> > to the outside world so how can you ssh into someone else's network
> > without a working network connection of your own?
> > 
> Because he has a solid connection and route to his friend, just not to where 
> he 
> wants to go.
> 
> > Along the same lines, the guy who recommended the DSL resellers: it's
> > still Qwest's copper that's getting resold,
> Tell us something we ALL don't know. The difference is, ISP's like Cox and 
> Qwest 
> do not care about customer service. When you go with either of the 
> recommended 
> ISP's, you are dealing with people who care about customer service and you 
> are 
> not going to get told misleading statements nor given a runaround when a 
> technical problem arises.
> 
> Sure, you still rely on the local monopoly phone company to supply the copper 
> pair, but your ISP will help get that taken care of on your behalf.
> 
> If you think living with a DSL connection with Qwest is like having one 
> through 
> Deru or FastQ, you are sadly mistaken.
> 
> > ... I've had every type of connection except fiber
> > and can tell you by experience that if you REALLY need that uptime, DSL
> > won't give it to you any more than cable will.
> > 
> > On the other hand, wireless, such as WiMax and Canopy, will since you
> > bypass wires entirely and everything is in control of the ISP you're
> > dealing with up to the demarc between them and the outside world (i.e.,
> > their own upstream).  I'm not about to say that wireless isn't without
> > problems, but it very rarely goes totally down in my experience. 
> 
> If you really want a bulletproof connection, get a dedicated T1 line (or 
> faster).
> 
> If you want consistently high latency and high packet loss, go wireless.

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Re: Virus info!

[koder]

There is a feature in XP to clear out temp files. Either run it or clean
them out manually. There are several.

Don't forget the Restore feature. That is notorious for filling up a
hard drive. if you turn Restore off, restart computer and defrag you can
recover the space.

Have fun

Harold


On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 08:42 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 08:31 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-05-25 at 08:18 -0700, Jason Spatafore wrote:
> > > un it...any spyware eating your system?
> > > Download autoruns and check it...any suspicious entries there?
> > > 
> > > Run chkdisk /r and allow a full disk scan to take place. Any lost
> > > clusters? 
> 
> This will be my last email on the subject. :) 
> 
> This may seem like a "dumb thing" to ask but there are two more things
> to check.
> 
> 1. Did you empty the recycle bin?
> 2. Check the recycle bin settings. If it is set to take more than 10% of
> your space, that could be where your problem is. Move the slider down.
> (The space gets reserved for the recycle bin.)
> 
> That's all I have. Have a great weekend! 
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Re: mini computer

[koder]

I think Fry's can accommodate you with external HDD housings that would
explicitly meet your needs. One model is designed to stack so you can
easily put as many of them on the table as you like.

On the flip side the cost for the housings, or another type of case
would probably make it a poor investment.

Office Max offered a 500 GB Western Digital USB External hard drive for
$109.00. The sale ends today, Saturday. I have one I bought last month
and am pleased with it, so far. They offer a Terra Byte drive for about
$500. but I don't think it is on sale at the moment. 

Plan "C' might be to get a cheap computer with a new, big hard drive and
stick it in the closet as a server. Der.hans was trying out a small
computer called the KPC Shuttle. It goes for $100 to $500 depending on
how many bells and whistles you buy with it. 

http://us.shuttle.com/KPC/

A shuttle and a one Terra Byte hard drives running as a server will have
you donating the old HDDs to charity.

Harold




On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 21:06 -0700, OrangeRoot1000 wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Well considering the computer is old. Most new motherboards run sata hdds and 
> my last look at internal hdds a 1tb hdd was $220. So if your drives are over 
> 5yrs old I would recommend replacing them anyway. I picked up a 320gb usb hdd 
> for $85 6 months ago and saw a tb for about the same price as the internal 
> ones. USB has come a long way in kernel support and I've seen 16 gb flashies 
> for <$50 with 1gb running <$10 so why use floppies? There are also special 
> file servers with RAID/Hot swap bays for around $600 and that is all they do 
> is store data. So using a laptop to send/receive data would work wonderfully.
> 
> ViViViPirePengy
> 
> - -- 
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> DOC(X)/XLS(X) formats are not acceptable. Please enclose inline or by 
> attachment RTF, TXT or PDF formats. Thank You. 
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Re: OS & hardware issues?

[koder]

To echo and expand on Michael March,

You need to make sure memory will port to new board.

How old are your hard drives?
If they are near end of service life, you may want to reconsider.
Are you looking at IDE vs. SATA?

Some of the new computer boxes are priced low enough that it is
debatable as to benefits of build vs. buy.

If the new MB is not too different from the old replacing it should not
be at all difficult if you have built from scratch. It is essential you
do your homework to avoid surprises.

Harold



On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 19:43 -0700, Michael March wrote:
> I've done these transplants many times and I have had more issues on
> the Windows side than Linux.. Well, if you keep your Linux kernel
> current the move for Linux should be pretty painless.  
> 
> On the Windows side.. if you are running XP..  it might not boot up
> (if you transplant the HD..) or you might have to register with
> Microsoft.. Its a real crap shoot.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 7:20 PM, mike enriquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> I am thinking about changing out my motherboard and CPU, but I
> am wondering what kind of issues I am going to have with such
> a change.
> I have never done this. All of the time I just build a
> complete computer and install an OS and run the computer until
> it dies. 
> Has anyone  done this before. I have linux and windows
> computer but I don't feel the OS is going to make a
> difference.
> I do believe I am going to have some major issues so I am
> wonder if it is worth the effort. 
> Thanks ahead of time.
> Mike Enriquez
> 
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Re: OpenSSH Key replacement

[koder]

Thank you Eric and der.hans for your feedback.

Thanks to you I am now able to get my laptop and desktop log onto each
other using sftp.

After getting the correct IP address, I determined that openssh and the
sshd were not only not running, they were not even installed on the
desktop. I fixed that, generated new keys on the desktop and after
renaming the local_hosts to local_hostsOLD, I used touch to create a new
local_hosts on both computers. 

When I created the new local_hosts file it had the same permissions as
the old one. kewl

Next step; get rsync to back up from laptop to the desktop using ssh
from a script. I think/hope I am on it.

Harold


On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 18:36 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> Am 14. Mai, 2008 schwätzte koder so:
> 
> > After upgrading my OpenSSH and ancillary files using the Ubuntu update I
> > can no longer use sftp to logon between my desktop and laptop both
> > located inside of my DSL router.
> >
> >
> > It worked yesterday, in fact I just learned to use it yesterday before
> > updating. Now I get:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sftp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Connecting to 198.162.1.101...
> > ssh: connect to host 198.162.1.101 port 22: Connection refused
> > Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh 198.162.1.101
> > ssh: connect to host 198.162.1.101 port 22: Connection refused
> 
> Looks like the ssh service didn't restart.
> 
> > The Ubuntu notice said that the update would automatically update the
> > keys in installation after asking my permission. It did not ask.
> 
> ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host*
> 
> Are those dates from when you ran the update?
> 
> Are they older than Sep 2006?
> 
> If they're older than Sep 2006 there was nothing to update.
> 
> > I ran the ssh-vulnkey tool as sudo. It did not return anything except a
> > new prompt.
> 
> Did you run with -a?
> 
> > The notices says to check my keys by looking in various listed files.
> > What am I looking for?
> 
> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2
> 
> Also check all of your known_hosts files. If host keys have changed, you
> need to change their entries in all the known_hosts files for clients that
> connect.
> 
> > Can I just delete the contents of the files, or the files themselves to
> > start clean?
> >
> > I looked in the /etc/ssh folder and found the 'moduli' file but am not
> > sure what to do with it.
> >
> > Is that any documentation on this?
> 
> The bug reports have documentation, but I haven't found anything that will
> answer all questions or adequately explain why some things need to be
> done.
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans
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Re: Microsoft joins OLPC

[koder]

I am not sure if this is OT or not.

Other posts have noted that OLPC will have to increase the specs on the
hardware by nearly a factor of two to run Windows.

MS also insists on sharing they joys of Windoze's lack of security with
the underdeveloped peoples of the world.

On the flip side, those who have seen a computer, at this point conflate
Windows OS with computers.

Linux needs work before it will be competitive, in spite of our hopes.

Harold


On Sat, 2008-05-17 at 11:36 -0700, Rhune Lord wrote:
> http://www.redherring.com/Home/24265

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OpenSSH Key replacement

[koder]

After upgrading my OpenSSH and ancillary files using the Ubuntu update I
can no longer use sftp to logon between my desktop and laptop both
located inside of my DSL router.


It worked yesterday, in fact I just learned to use it yesterday before
updating. Now I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sftp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Connecting to 198.162.1.101...
ssh: connect to host 198.162.1.101 port 22: Connection refused
Couldn't read packet: Connection reset by peer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh 198.162.1.101
ssh: connect to host 198.162.1.101 port 22: Connection refused



The Ubuntu notice said that the update would automatically update the
keys in installation after asking my permission. It did not ask.

I ran the ssh-vulnkey tool as sudo. It did not return anything except a
new prompt.

The notices says to check my keys by looking in various listed files.
What am I looking for?

Can I just delete the contents of the files, or the files themselves to
start clean?

I looked in the /etc/ssh folder and found the 'moduli' file but am not
sure what to do with it.

Is that any documentation on this?

Harold

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Should I update NOT AUTHENTICATED security updates?

[koder]

Should I update NOT AUTHENTICATED security updates?


I am running Ubuntu 7.10

The automatic updater told me that I have updates available.

The following packages came in and when I tried to install them I
received a message that they can't be authenticated! Doing this could
could allow a malicious individual to damage or take control of your
system.



NOT AUTHENTICATED:

libssl-dev  SSL Development libraries and header files

libssl0.98  SSL shared libraries

openssh-blacklist   List of blacklisted OpenSSH RSA and DSAkeys

opnessh-client  Secure shell client an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement

openssh-server  Secure shell server, an rshd replacement

openssl Secure socket Layer (SSL) binary and related
cryptographic tool

ssh  Secure shell client and server (metapackage)

ssh-askpass-gnomeInteractive X program to prompt users for a
passphrase for ssh-add


The openssh-blacklist is to be installed. 

All of the others are to be upgraded.

Harold

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Re: re-installing shuttle

[koder]

I understand it does not have a CD/DVD.
It is designed to use an external DVD.

Can it boot from the external CD/DVD.

I am sure we could find one for you to use if it can.

Harold

On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 14:30 -0700, Michael March wrote:
> Where did you buy your KPC?  I have heard the fan is loud, it that
> true?
> 
> 
> 
> I bought a KPC and want to convert it to Ubuntu.
> 
> It doesn't have a CD/DVD drive.
> 
> I tried getting it to boot from a USB thumb drive and from a
> CDROM
> connected via USB, but those methods both failed.
> 
> I also tried installing via lubi, but lubi depends on
> QT :( and Foresight
> doesn't appear to have QT.
> 
> Anybody else have a KPC? Did I not notice some simple BIOS
> option?
> 
> I'm going to investigate the USB stuff again when I get time,
> but I
> thought I'd see if anyone had been successful in re-installing
> a KPC.
> 
> The thumb drive that came with the KPC has an installer and
> ISO image on
> it, but it's Foresight and I specifically bought this system
> for Ubuntu.
> 
> I do hope to pull up the original install in a VM, so I can
> play with
> Foresight.
> 
> ciao,
> 
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Re: re-installing shuttle

[koder]

Will it boot from an/the external DVD?


On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:40 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> moin moin,
> 
> I bought a KPC and want to convert it to Ubuntu.
> 
> It doesn't have a CD/DVD drive.
> 
> I tried getting it to boot from a USB thumb drive and from a CDROM
> connected via USB, but those methods both failed.
> 
> I also tried installing via lubi, but lubi depends on QT :( and Foresight
> doesn't appear to have QT.
> 
> Anybody else have a KPC? Did I not notice some simple BIOS option?
> 
> I'm going to investigate the USB stuff again when I get time, but I
> thought I'd see if anyone had been successful in re-installing a KPC.
> 
> The thumb drive that came with the KPC has an installer and ISO image on
> it, but it's Foresight and I specifically bought this system for Ubuntu.
> 
> I do hope to pull up the original install in a VM, so I can play with
> Foresight.
> 
> ciao,
> 
> der.hans

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Re: OT: need some help with fuel cells

[koder]

On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 13:22 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2008, koder wrote:
> 
> >
> > Recreational vehicles and yachts use solar panels to power some decently
> > sized storage batteries. If you put up enough of them you can run a
> > computer system.
> batteries are all fine and good, but require frequent replacement (every 1-2 
> years down here in the desert), and have hazardous materials in large 
> quantities.
> 
> >
> > Unfortunately the cost of solar is escalating. My original system cost
> > under a thousand dollars. Today it would probably be twice that.
> yep. that makes it harder for those on a fixed income to get anything 
> worthwhile out of such systems as well (cost higher than cash available).I am 
> sure I could build a full sized panel over time (by adding smaller modules to 
> it).
> 
> >
> > Of course when I build the next one I will ask it to do more with the
> > additional expense.
> >
> > My wish list consists of more panels, bigger batteries, and a wind
> > powered generator for cloudy days.
> same here, except I would like to build all my stuff from easily available 
> materials. call it a poor man's energy policy. :)
> 
> >
> > There are a number of sites in the net dealing with the topic of solar
> > direct to batteries. They are far from complete. You will have to
> > supplement with written material.
> I'm already getting that and worse. a lot of the diagrams online for any fuel 
> cell are of the simple overlay type that are meaningless to those of us who 
> want to build such a unit. so far, I have found NO technical diagrams or even 
> any materials lists for something as simple as a PEM fuel cell. Now I have 
> found plenty of places that sell individual parts for such (such as the 
> backing plates, the PEM material itself and the field flow plates).
> 
> >
> > This is some different from the fuel cell systems you asked about, but
> > the fuel cells are using battery and solar and adding in the
> > inefficiency of the hydrogen. The hydrogen is great for energy
> > containment and transportation such as powering your car, but the
> > equipment is a bit pricey.
> actually, from my reading, hydrogen is very efficient (unless you "burn" it 
> in 
> a system similar to internal combustion engines, then you are stuck with the 
> waste heat, mechanical losses, etc). Direct conversion to electricity is 5-6X 
> more efficient at a minimum (unless you are having to convert carbon heavy 
> fuels using a reformer, then it drops below 50%). 
> 
> >
> > Cost will be directly related to how much electric you intend to use and
> > store. You can start with part of it and expand as budget, knowledge and
> > goals expand.
> well, from what I have been able to determine, one can get (from a properly 
> designed fuel cell) approximately 3 watts/cm^2 of fuel cell surface area. 
> that means that you don't need something monstrous to power a house. a fuel 
> cell stack made up of plates 10x10 cm 10 cm deep will give you roughly 3 KW 
> of usable energy. This is not theoretical, its the same type of units they 
> use on the space shuttle. 
> 
> >
> > If you want to go further let me know. There are several people in the
> > area working on this.
> 
> I definitely do. hey, if it means getting a paying job to do this as well, 
> I'm 
> all in!
> 

A paying job? Argh, that is a supreme sacrifice.

I am seeing fuel hydrogen cells offered for about $10.00 per watt of
output. Larger models will lower cost per watt. The thing is how to
obtain the fuel for it. If you are going to use solar panels you will
need a lot of them. It can be done, but it will cost. Hydrogen, if you
are going that route, will be just a storage medium. You lose degrees of
efficiency each time you convert from one type of energy to another.

A system designer needs to sit down with their "slip stick" and figure
out how much power they want to supply for what. How you are going to
store if for times the sun is not out, and how you are going to get it
back out of storage when you need it.

When you do your calculations don't forget that the difference between
12 volts and 120 is a factor of ten. A single digit slip like that will
cause yo a great deal of embarrassment and grief.

Heating and cooling will use astounding amounts of energy.

Harold

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Re: OT: need some help with fuel cells

[koder]

On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 10:47 -0700, Technomage-hawke wrote:
> On Thursday 24 April 2008, Stephen P Rufle wrote:
> > I remember reading about this guy in Wired magazine.
> > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.03/play.html?pg=9
> > http://www.siei.org/mainpage.html
> >
> > The cost of his system seem a bit high, but maybe it would be a good
> > place to start for the feasibility of different ideas.
> >
> read that one. and no, I don't have $50,000 to spend. I was hoping for 
> something more along the lines of $1,000 or less.
> 
> ---

Recreational vehicles and yachts use solar panels to power some decently
sized storage batteries. If you put up enough of them you can run a
computer system.

Naturally the length of time the system will run is  a function of the
size of your power source compared to your computer setup.

Unfortunately the cost of solar is escalating. My original system cost
under a thousand dollars. Today it would probably be twice that.

Of course when I build the next one I will ask it to do more with the
additional expense.

My wish list consists of more panels, bigger batteries, and a wind
powered generator for cloudy days. 

There are a number of sites in the net dealing with the topic of solar
direct to batteries. They are far from complete. You will have to
supplement with written material.

This is some different from the fuel cell systems you asked about, but
the fuel cells are using battery and solar and adding in the
inefficiency of the hydrogen. The hydrogen is great for energy
containment and transportation such as powering your car, but the
equipment is a bit pricey.

Cost will be directly related to how much electric you intend to use and
store. You can start with part of it and expand as budget, knowledge and
goals expand.

If you want to go further let me know. There are several people in the
area working on this.

Harold

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Re: How to save a phone voice-mail message to computer?

[koder]

On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 15:08 -0700, Josef Lowder wrote:
> .
> Ah ha.  I think I actually have one of those, 
> but I believe it only facilitates recording to 
> a tape recorder.  I was hoping for a way to 
> direct connect via USB to my computer.  I don't 
> have a sound card in my computer. 
> 
> 
> --
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 12:22, Joshua Zeidner wrote
> > Im selling those on my blog!
> > 
> >   http://joshuazeidner.com
> > 
> >   -jmz
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008, Josef Lowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > .
> > >  Is there a quick and easy way to save a telephone
> > >  voice-mail message to my computer?
> > >
> > >  Recently, I thought I saw a device somewhere that
> > >  allowed one to connect a telephone line directly
> > >  to a USB port on the computer to capture input.
> > >  Is there such a thing?
> 
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The tool you need depends on exactly what you are trying to do.
I confess I am not clear on that from your message.

I just did a Google search using 

"microphone to usb adapter"

I found there is such a gadget allowing you to record audio using a
microphone.

If you are trying to record directly from the telephone line you, of
course, can use an internal modem or an external via USB port thus using
the computer as a voice-mail machine.

I have the latter combination, but have yet to hook it up.

I did not know you could buy motherboards that do not support built in
sound, but I haven't built a system in a while.

Harold


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Re: How to handle OT & spam on a mail list

[koder]

On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 12:43 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2008 21:50:58 -0700, Dennis Kibbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mail clients, like Evolution & T'bird are not designed to handle mail lists 
> > where you receive a large volume of mail that can clog your inbox and which 
> > is often off topic.
> 
>   Dennis,  Herein lies the problem- the sematics of 'off topic'.  'Off
> topic' has an entirely subjective use.  For those who subscribe to
> this list to trade System Administration tips, this thread is *Off
> Topic*.

Is this a list to trade SysAdmin tips?
I understood that its purpose was to promulgate Linux, provide mutual
aid and instructions for user new and old.

Is PLUG generating such a large volume of mail that may subject Linux
mail clients to turn turtle?

Harold

> 
> >
> >  One way to get around this problem is to read the list with a newsreader 
> > like pan or gnus (Emacs). You can do this at www.gmane.org by subscribing 
> > to gmane.org.user-groups.linux.phoenix.
> 
>   There are lots of tools available for mitigating the problems you,
> and many others before you, have identified.  Blogging, Digg, Social
> Networking and many more are established methods of managing the
> problem of signal-to-noise ratios on internet based communications
> media.  While I am not really that familiar with gmane, it is hardly
> the dominant solution for this class of problems.
> 
>What confuses the hell out of me is why have all this legal
> overhead when these usage scenarios can be enforced with technology
> rather than stipulating acceptable behavior guidelines such as you
> have just done.  I mean, this is a group for computer programmers
> right?
> 
>   "NO TOP POSTING!"
> 
>   Best,
> 
>Joshua Zeidner
> 
>- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >  A news reader will let you easily "score" articles so those that you want 
> > to read rise to the top and those you don't want to read will either sink 
> > to the bottom or not show up at all. Articles also "expire" so that your 
> > news inbox is self-emptying. Your normal mail inbox is reserved for, well, 
> > mail.
> >
> >  You still need to subscribe to the actual list via the PLUG site if you 
> > want to post, but you can elect to receive the digest rather than 
> > individual posts and then put yourself on "vacation hold" so even that 
> > doesn't show up.
> >
> >  If you need to contact the administrator of the list that is best done 
> > thought the appropriate email address rather than posting to the list. 
> > Requests to unsubscribe and other purely admin matters are handled through 
> > this email address which is different than the one used to post or the 
> > mailman page and not by posting to the list proper.
> >
> >  Dennisk
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Re: AZ's own Gabrielle Giffords votes to increase foreign work visas

[koder]

On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 02:59 +, Michael Havens wrote:
> On Sunday 16 March 2008 8:43 pm, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> >   There is no doubt in my mind that the upper management
> > of CS departments nationwide are helping this cap increase move along,
> > as this is seen as a way to keep their departments solvent.  Arizona
> > is currently looking at a major fiscal crisis.  Is it time to be
> > handing out jobs to non-Americans?
> 
> What is wrong with people? I'll answer my question. they are taking the 
> easy way out. They would rather be thesbians!

"Dammit! I told your editors that I don't go that way...",   "I mean, I
have a boyfriend and everything!"   

No, Ms. McCormick, the term THESPIAN means that you are a stage
actress!   

"Oh, that's ok then, yeah, I'm one of those Thespians, and damn proud of
it!"

http://www.ruby.eriecan.com/




Corporations are amoral organizations. They, by their nature going to
look out for their own perceived self interests. The nature of the tax
structure and corporate accountability tends to make the horizon of that
interest very short term. If they can hire help in at half the pay and
they do half the job, they will take that option. If in the long run it
takes the whole economy down, they don't care. They will have taken
their profit and run like the thieves in the night that they are.


Bitter? Harold bitter?

8-)   Harold



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Re: hardware questions, Ubuntu and Dell

[koder]

For what it is worth,

I would like to echo the Rune Lord's sentiments.

I have the Dell 530 Inspiron desktop and 1420 Inspiron laptop and am
quite pleased with both of them.

A great part of my buying decision was the desire to encourage DELL with
Linux distribution and whatever drivers are needed. I have also had an
excellent experience with DELLs when working on supporting over a
thousand DELL units in the field.

Harold



On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 18:56 -0700, Rhune Lord wrote:
> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
> 
> Use this link for the Dell systems you might want info on.
> 
> Dude I love my Dell system running Ubuntu.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 3/10/08, der.hans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Am 10. Mar, 2008 schwätzte Ted Gould so:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 18:34 -0700, der.hans wrote:
> > >> So, I wandered over to the Dell website and search for both Linux and 
> > >> Ubuntu.
> > > 
> > >> Any recommendations on the Dell offering or from a company that actually
> > >> offers Ubuntu?
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, I won't be keeping their install, but I will back it up for
> > >> reference should something not work on my install. It would also be nice
> > >> to have a decent shot of actually getting support for Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > Besides the fact that I work for one of the companies involved here, I'd
> > > really recommend getting a Ubuntu machine from Dell.  Not because I love
> > > the hardware, but because Dell is big enough to push around chip
> > > vendors.  If Dell sees "this Ubuntu thing" as a growing market they'll
> > > tell their vendors that, and nothing makes sales guy at a chip vendor's
> > > eyes light up like "Dell thinks it's important." :)
> >
> > That's the reason I'm considering Dell. Dell should be able to push for
> > Free Software drivers for all of the hardware and I want to support that.
> >
> > I just tried looking for Ubuntu on the Dell web site and it pulled up 
> > correct link. When I try the search again after first choosing the Small &
> > Medium Business branch it goes to the page I linked earlier that doesn't
> > have and Ubuntu boxen despite being called "Introducing open source Dell
> > N-Series PCs with Ubuntu and FreeDOS" according to the search results.
> > Maybe that should get adjusted :).
> >
> > I think all those machines were also using nvidia cards, which requires
> > binary blobs. For desktops, and especially laptops, I want to get an ATI
> > cards, even if I still have to wait a little for a Free Software driver.
> >
> > OK, the AMD box can be purchase with an ATI card. Some of the others have
> > integrated Intel video cards, so that's also good for Free Software.
> >
> > Looks like the Ubuntu laptops come with onboard intel video cards.
> >
> > Looks like X.org 7.4 got bumped back a couple months :(. Guess that means
> > it won't make Hardy :(.
> >
> > I look forward to ever increasing support for Ubuntu from Dell.
> >
> > ciao,
> >
> > der.hans
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