Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] SqueezeIR Support Thread

2015-11-02 Thread virx71


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Question: Are you interested in IR-over-IP?

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Hello Douglas,
new install and same problems, but I remembered you wrote me how to
solve them and here I am again reading this old thread.
This time it was trickier as I had a lirc file that got corrupted while
passing from windows to debian, but at the end all was solved!

I have a new question for you: since SqueezeIR is a only-controller
plugin, is there any way I could tweak xml playeraction elements to
trigger a script on the server?

Something like

Code:



somescript.sh 
someparam

  


I'm afraid your reply will be "no" but since I feel quite ignorant in
perl I'd better ask ;)

Thanks again for this last old and precious reply of yours,
V



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread TheLastMan

Anybody else noticed that all the new BBC live streams are now 339 CBR
AAC?
Certainly sounds very clear and free of artifacts. Nice!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

PasTim wrote: 
> I'm not, for the moment at least, going to include this in the first
> post here.  I'll wait to see what the experts reckon, and then if
> recommended by them, hope for a replacement file or patch.
> 
> I get almost no problems with my feeds, being on linux with a DNS cache,
> so can't usefully test such fixes.

I am not in the UK and also my setup/files may be different to the OPs

I put extra logging against the routine calls which use the TTL_EXPIRE
value and none of them were called when playing a HLS stream.  This is
what I epxect as the iPlayer.pm file is concerned with getting the top
level URL of a HLS/m3u8 or flash/RTMP stream from iPlayer media
descriptors.  The actual playing of a stream (i.e. repetitive http
requests to get audio)  is done in the HLS.pm or RTMP.pm files. 

AFAICT the call will have the effect of caching a top level URL which
may be beneficial in some indirect way but I can't see it as being a
proper fix.

As I said before this rebuffering issue is difficult to pin down - the
difficulty is that it is not predictable.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread castalla

PasTim wrote: 
> I have now updated the first post on this thread with a link to this
> patch, since it is necessary to make 'listen again' work at all under
> the BBC iPlayer plugin.


Could you also link to the updated menu.opml file which fixes the icons?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

bpa wrote: 
> Sharing info is always good. 
> 
> I need to look at this in more detail but AFAICT all but one uses of
> TTL_EXPIRE relate to the RTMP Flash protocol and not HLS.   
> So if it is helping HLS playback - it needs to be checked that it does
> not cause problems for Flash (i.e. Extras plugin) playback.  A more
> precise patch (e.g. Two different TTL_EXPIRE constants) is needed.
> 
> When making a change I prefer to add instrumentation  to see before and
> after changes and also which parts of the code are being executed.
I'm not, for the moment at least, going to include this in the first
post here.  I'll wait to see what the experts reckon, and then if
recommended by them, hope for a replacement file or patch.

I get almost no problems with my feeds, being on linux with a DNS cache,
so can't usefully test such fixes.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

PasTim wrote: 
> The replacement file for BBCXMLParser.pm at
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only)&p=834111&viewfull=1#post834111
> fixes the listen again issue for now.  I'm holding off updating the
> initial instructions on this thread until things stabilize.
I have now updated the first post on this thread with a link to this
patch, since it is necessary to make 'listen again' work at all under
the BBC iPlayer plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

bpa wrote: 
> That post was for utgg.  Images used to be in a diffrent file off same
> root URL.
> 
> I don't understand your second point .  You need to explain in detail
> how you changed the image - changed the URL which picks the image or
> change the file contents - also how do you know which application/page
> is picking up that image ?[/QUOTE
> 
> I just thought i could create my own High Res logos store them in the
> BBCiPlayer images folder then get the menu.opml file to look at them.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

JustJust1 wrote: 
> Yep, i cant see any images in there !

That post was for utgg.  Images used to be in a diffrent file off same
root URL.

I don't understand your second point .  You need to explain in detail
how you changed the image - changed the URL which picks the image or
change the file contents - also how do you know which application/page
is picking up that image ?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Info & Song Lyrics plugins - Status? Dead?

2015-11-02 Thread esa

Hi, It works!
on my raspberry pi ;-)
So, it's a issue with my Gentoo and maybe Perl 5.20 ;-(

Good new!
Now, it must be debug...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

bpa wrote: 
> Triode used the imda images which I think are the ones intended for use
> by vendors.
> 
> The Imda alliance has gone but some traces still remain for vendor
> support such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/imda/imda_transports.xml - I
> couldn't locate where the images have gone to.

Yep, i cant see any images in there - i might spend some time creating
my own save them in the BBC plugin file and then link to them from the
Menu OPML file, do you think this is possible? I tried changing the
BBCiPlayer on demand Logo which is in
/var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/BBCiPlayer/HTML/EN/plugins/BBCiPlayer/html/images
but it kept picking the old one up!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-11-02 Thread ad6922

Hi flysurfer, i have an apple airport extreme. 
I will try the kodi suggestion, will let you know the result



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

utgg wrote: 
> That is one of the ones that I put links in for in the latest menu.opml,
> after the originals Triode used disappeared. 

Triode used the imda images which I think are the ones intended for use
by vendors.

The Imda alliance has gone but some traces still remain for vendor
support such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/imda/imda_transports.xml - I
couldn't locate where the images have gone to.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

JustJust1 wrote: 
> Cherrs BPA, this is what i get:
> 19116
> 
> Any ideas what to change it to?

Generally - logging level "Error" is to note problem and it the "normal"
setting.

Info level details general activity.
Debug level - a lot more detail which can make og file very big/

In this try "Info" and hope you see in the log what images are being
requested.  The resolution is usually indicated by numbers at end of
image name.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

bpa wrote: 
> The LMS logging to enable would be artwork and artwork.imageproxy.  You
> need to clear caches on app hosting device and on LMS (and maybe
> browsers) otherwise you may not get a request to LMS for the image.

Cherrs BPA, this is what i get:
19116

Any ideas what to change it to?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

utgg wrote: 
> That is one of the ones that I put links in for in the latest menu.opml,
> after the originals Triode used disappeared. These were the best image
> links that I could find - in terms of resolution and that were square.
> But yes, it would be nicer to have something larger than 192x192 pixels
> for scaling up to a large size. Feel free to look for better ones! I did
> once find some .svg files that would produce images at any scale (I have
> lost the link now), but they can't be used directly and the BBC
> copyright/branding terms mean it probably isn't wise for anyone to
> redistribute .png or whatever rendered versions of them.

Ah righto - copyright scares me! i will stop being fussy.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread utgg

JustJust1 wrote: 
> Thanks BPA. 
> 
> One thing i am finding a bit annoying is the Res used on the BBC logos
> for example the BBC one file it is
> http://static.bbci.co.uk/mobileradioapp/1.3/android/images/stations/notification-logo/hdpi/bbc_radio_one.png
> and only 18.5KB this looks fine in the chanel list, but on the now
> playing screen on a android device or a iPad it looks a bit naff.
> 
> Does anyone have access or know how to access BBC Station High Res
> images, do they even exist? Then i might be able to spend some time
> etiting the OPML file!

That is one of the ones that I put links in for the latest menu.opml,
after the originals Triode used disappeared. These were the best image
links that I could find - in terms of resolution and that were square.
But yes, it would be nicer to have something larger than 192x192 pixels
for scaling up to a large size. Feel free to look for better ones! I did
once find some .svg files that would produce images at any scale (I have
lost the link now), but they can't be used directly and the BBC
copyright/branding terms mean it probably isn't wise for anyone to
redistribute .png or whatever rendered versions of them.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

JustJust1 wrote: 
> Thanks again, i will look at the app as when i am using as the LMS Web
> GUI it looks OK!


The LMS logging to enable would be artwork and artwork.imageproxy.  You
need to clear caches on app hosting device and on LMS (and maybe
browsers) otherwise you may not get a request to LMS for the image.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

bpa wrote: 
> I'm not that familair with the android and IPad apps but for Touch and
> Radio and WebUI LMS will adjust the resolution (i.e. resample and create
> an new appropriately sized image ) according to the requesting device so
> it sounds like the problem is in the app or possibly the resampling
> machanism. Changing to a different hires may not changes the siutation
> as LMS resample it.  You need to check LMS image handling (enable
> logging)  to confirm this.

Thanks again, i will look at the app as when i am using as the LMS Web
GUI it looks OK!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Info & Song Lyrics plugins - Status? Dead?

2015-11-02 Thread SlimChances

esa wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> In fact there are three different info : 
> 
> 1) in the Squeezebox setting page it is written "Data provider:
> chartlyrics.com".
> 2) On the download page
> 'http://downloads.isaksson.info/download/do/viewapplication?name=slimserver-songlyrics)
> "All lyrics are provided by lyricsfly.com, so support their service if
> you like this plugin."
> The webpage doesn't give a result anymore and the domain is to sell.
> 3) while on the wiki
> (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Song_Lyrics_plugin) : All lyrics
> shown through this plugin is primarily provided by http://musixmatch.com
> Erland said that MusicMatch doesn't deliver free access to his lyrics DB
> anymore.
> 
> So, I think Erland changed the provider and one of it might work
> ;-)...maybe chartlyrics.com?
> 
> If you can try Erland Plugin SongInfo+Song Lyrics, and confirm me the
> result.
> 
> In my case, menu LastFM+Lyrucs are no more visible in my Android
> application "Squeeze commander".
> 
> So, I think that this is not same issue.
> It could be linked to my system and I will try on another system like a
> RaspberryPi.
> 
> BR

Not working for me. If I try to go into plugin settings for Erland's
plugin I get "404 Not Found:
settings/server/plugins/SongInfo/settings/modulesettings.html   "



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

JustJust1 wrote: 
> Thanks BPA. 
> 
> One thing i am finding a bit annoying is the Res used on the BBC logos
> for example the BBC one file it is
> http://static.bbci.co.uk/mobileradioapp/1.3/android/images/stations/notification-logo/hdpi/bbc_radio_one.png
> and only 18.5KB this looks fine in the chanel list, but on the now
> playing screen on a android device or a iPad it looks a bit naff.
> 
> Does anyone have access or know how to access BBC Station High Res
> images, do they even exist? Then i might be able to spend some time
> etiting the OPML file!

I'm not that familair with the android and IPad apps but for Touch and
Radio and WebUI LMS will adjust the resolution (i.e. resample and create
an new appropriately sized image ) according to the requesting device so
it sounds like the problem is in the app or possibly the resampling
machanism. Changing to a different hires may not changes the siutation
as LMS resample it.  You need to check LMS image handling (enable
logging)  to confirm this.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Max2Play Webinterface for Mediaclients (Audioplayer, Squeezeserver, Airplay, XBMC)

2015-11-02 Thread flysurfer

@ad6922: there are some routers that do not translate names into IPs -
what model do you have? Do you have other network devices that can be
reached with network names? You may try to set "keep sound device alive"
in "Kodi settings -> System -> Audio output" and see if this fixes the
audio problem.

@Teetertank: I do not have an U3 anymore, but I don't think there is
much of a difference between U3 and U3+. Did you try all USB-slots of
the U3?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread JustJust1

bpa wrote: 
> Live streams haven't changed - any problems with live streams are in
> your system.  Plugin will be reliable only by keeping up with BBC
> changes.

Thanks BPA. 

One thing i am finding a bit annoying is the Res used on the BBC logos
for example the BBC one file it is
http://static.bbci.co.uk/mobileradioapp/1.3/android/images/stations/notification-logo/hdpi/bbc_radio_one.png
and only 18.5KB this looks fine in the chanel list, but on the now
playing screen on a android device or a iPad it looks a bit naff.

Does anyone have access or know how to access BBC Station High Res
images, do they even exist? Then i might be able to spend some time
etiting the OPML file!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread ChaoticMike

tallpaul wrote: 
> Aha, I was just looking at that file. How do I clear it? 'rm' and
> 'touch'?

Just delete it (rm).  It is automatically rebuilt when LMS starts up.  I
can't recall if you need to have stopped LMS before deleting, i.e.
whether there is a lock on it.

Mike



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread tallpaul

PasTim wrote: 
> I'm not sure of your platform, or access right issues.  > 
Code:

  >   > rm cache.db

> >  should do it on linux.

Aha, that has solved it. So it looks like, for whatever reason, I'd
ended up with some crap data in the cache for Four Extra.

Anyway *thank you* for your help.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

tallpaul wrote: 
> Aha, I was just looking at that file. How do I clear it? 'rm' and
> 'touch'?
I'm not sure of your platform, or access right issues.  
Code:

rm cache.db

 should do it on linux.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread tallpaul

PasTim wrote: 
> Works for me.  Did you clear your cache.db?

Aha, I was just looking at that file. How do I clear it? 'rm' and
'touch'?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread kidstypike

tallpaul wrote: 
> I've tried a lot, but what about "Armando Iannucci's Charm Offensive:
> Series 4: Episode 3", which is the one in that log file.

Works for me BBCiPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

tallpaul wrote: 
> I've tried a lot, but what about "Armando Iannucci's Charm Offensive:
> Series 4: Episode 3", which is the one in that log file.
Works for me.  Did you clear your cache.db?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread tallpaul

PasTim wrote: 
> What Radio 4 extra program are you trying listen-again to?  I've tried a
> few and they work for me using the BBCiPlayer plugin.

I've tried a lot, but what about "Armando Iannucci's Charm Offensive:
Series 4: Episode 3", which is the one in that log file.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

tallpaul wrote: 
> OK, I turned on debug logging for iPlayer, just see what I got. The
> first snippet is for a programme on Radio 4.
> ... and I'm not surprised as it doesn't seem to have been told what to
> listen to. What this all means I've no real idea mind you but I thought
> it might help someone with a clue.
What Radio 4 extra program are you trying listen-again to?  I've tried a
few and they work for me using the BBCiPlayer plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread tallpaul

tallpaul wrote: 
> So this morning I've followed the steps you outlined above and I thought
> that Listen Again was still not working but actually, having researched
> this some more, it only appears to be Radio 4 Extra which is affected
> (and may well have been doing this before I did the re-install too as
> that's the main station I listen to on Listen Again).
> 
> I've yet to find anything on Radio 4 Extra which will play but
> everything I've tried on Radio 1/1 Xtra/2/3/4/5 Live/5 Sports Extra/6
> Music/Asian Network is fine.
> 
> Is Radio 4 Extra encoded differently to all the others? Do I need to
> make a settings tweak somewhere? TIA

OK, I turned on debug logging for iPlayer, just see what I got. The
first snippet is for a programme on Radio 4.


Code:

[15-11-02 12:07:36.3776] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::scanUrl (45) 
iplayer://aod?hls=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/vpid/b06p1y3n/mediaset/audio-syndication/proto/http&dur=900&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p0360x3s.jpg&title=10%20Days%20That%20Toppled%20Thatcher&desc=James%20Landale%20examines%20why%20Margaret%20Thatcher%20was%20ousted%20from%20power%2025%20years%20ago.&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p0360x3s.jpg
  [15-11-02 12:07:36.3779] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::scanUrl (60) baseUrl: 
iplayer://aod?hls=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/vpid/b06p1y3n/mediaset/audio-syndication/proto/http&dur=900&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p0360x3s.jpg&title=10%20Days%20That%20Toppled%20Thatcher&desc=James%20Landale%20examines%20why%20Margaret%20Thatcher%20was%20ousted%20from%20power%2025%20years%20ago.&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p0360x3s.jpg
 type: aod prefOrder:hls,mp3,flashaac,flashmp3
  [15-11-02 12:07:36.3781] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::scanUrl (90) 
placeholder: 
iplayer://aod?hls=http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/5/redir/version/2.0/vpid/b06p1y3n/mediaset/audio-syndication/proto/http&type=hls



So the URL in the third line seems to come from the "hls" parameter on
the first. Contrast this with an attempt to listen to a programme on
Four Extra:


Code:

[15-11-02 12:07:57.3826] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::scanUrl (45) 
iplayer://aod?hls=&dur=1800&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p01lchjk.jpg&title=Armando%20Iannucci's%20Charm%20Offensive%3A%20Series%204%3A%20Episode%203&desc=Comedic%20judge%20Armando%20Iannucci%20presides%20at%20clown%20court%20with%20Phill%20Jupitus.&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p01lchjk.jpg
  [15-11-02 12:07:57.3828] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::scanUrl (60) baseUrl: 
iplayer://aod?hls=&dur=1800&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p01lchjk.jpg&title=Armando%20Iannucci's%20Charm%20Offensive%3A%20Series%204%3A%20Episode%203&desc=Comedic%20judge%20Armando%20Iannucci%20presides%20at%20clown%20court%20with%20Phill%20Jupitus.&icon=http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/512x288/p01lchjk.jpg
 type: aod prefOrder:hls,mp3,flashaac,flashmp3



Here the "hls" parameter on line one is empty. After that all lines in
the log read:


Code:

[15-11-02 12:07:58.3836] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::_checkStream (245) 
consecutiveErrors: 1 songElapsed: 0



... and I'm not surprised as it doesn't seem to have been told what to
listen to.

What this all means I've no real idea mind you but I thought it might
help someone with a clue.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread kidstypike

tallpaul wrote: 
> I though I was in a similar situation (except I'm running 7.7.5 on
> Ubuntu 12.04LTS) and again Listen Again had, very recently, seemed to
> have stopped working.
> 
> So this morning I've followed the steps you outlined above and I thought
> that Listen Again was still not working but actually, having researched
> this some more, it only appears to be Radio 4 Extra which is affected
> (and may well have been doing this before I did the re-install too as
> that's the main station I listen to on Listen Again).
> 
> I've yet to find anything on Radio 4 Extra which will play but
> everything I've tried on Radio 1/1 Xtra/2/3/4/5 Live/5 Sports Extra/6
> Music/Asian Network is fine.
> 
> Is Radio 4 Extra encoded differently to all the others? Do I need to
> make a settings tweak somewhere? TIA

All stations I've tried on 4 extra (Saturday) work fine for me.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread W92Neriah

More BBC meddling brings me back to this excellent forum to keep my
iPlayer Plugin working for Listen Again... With SUCCESS :D  Thanks to
BPA, Utgg et al for the ongoing support for LMS.

It took me a while to trawl the thread pages to find out what to do, so
I hope this summary helps others (I have copied help text from other
parts of the forum, so thanks to the original authors). Please note that
I run my LMS on Windows, so paths et. will differ for LINUX etc.

::*4 Steps to Listen Again with working logo icons:*::

1) INSTALL UPDATED 'ALPHA' VERSION OF TRIODE'S BBC IPLAYER PLUGIN -
VERSION V1.3.1ALPHA3 (LATEST ON 31ST MARCH 2015 INCORPORATING MANY
IMPROVEMENTS OVER ALPHA2):

Ref.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guide

- Go to the Settings, Plugins page on the LMS GUI.
- Go to 'Additional Repositories' near the bottom. If this is not
available, there should be an option to enable third party plugins. Tick
this, and press 'Apply' at bottom right.
- Add the following line to the list of additional repositories:
http://triodeplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/testrepo.xml
- Press 'Apply' at bottom right.
- Restart LMS.
- You should now find that either the new BBCiPlayer plugin is now
already available and installed, or there is a box you can tick near the
bottom of the plugins list (under "Triode's Squeezecenter Plugins (Test
Versions)") to make it available on the next LMS restart. If the latter,
tick it and restart LMS.


2) INSTALL UPDATED VERSION OF BPA'S BBC IPLAYER EXTRAS PLUGIN - VERSION
V1.8:

Ref.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guide

Repeat the instructions in step 1) except use the repository below, and
ensure that the BBC iPlayer Extras plugin version 1.8 is selected and
installed.

http://bpaplugins.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/repo-short.xml

The plugin will either be installed straight away after a restart, or
you need to tick it against "bpa's Squeezecenter Plugins Short".


3) UTGG'S REVISED BBCXMLPARSER.PM FILE:

File from (post #4058):
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29&p=834111&viewfull=1#post834111

- Replace your existing BBCXMLParser.pm file in "C:\Documents and
Settings\All Users\Application
Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\BBCiPlayer" with the one
from post #4058 here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...ugin-(UK-only).


4) UTGG'S LOGO PATCH: 

File from (post #3737):
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29&p=814578&viewfull=1#post814578

- Extract menu.opml from the zip file and replace the existing file in
"C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application
Data\Squeezebox\Cache\InstalledPlugins\Plugins\BBCiPlayer".


Finally, stop and start your LMS and you're done :D


See y'all again when the BBC kill the HLS streams and we are forced to
use DASH streams instead... I'm more than happy to donate via Paypal to
pay for beer etc. for whomever knows how to do this in abscense of
Triode.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread tallpaul

PasTim wrote: 
> If you uninstall BBCiPlayer and BBCiPlayerExtra (which should remove all
> the patches you've done thus far) and do the steps in
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103435-BBCiPlayer-Plugins-an-alternative-quick-fix-guide
> that should get you to a system that works except for Listen Again via
> BBCiPlayer - BBCiPlayerExtra should work without any further changes. 
> 
> Assuming you apply all the patches recommended there, the only
> additional one is the patch to BBCXMLParser.pm at
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only)&p=834111&viewfull=1#post834111
> which fixes Listen Again in BBCiPlayer (for now at least).

I though I was in a similar situation (except I'm running 7.7.5 on
Ubuntu 12.04LTS) and again Listen Again had, very recently, seemed to
have stopped working.

So this morning I've followed the steps you outlined above and I thought
that Listen Again was still not working but actually, having researched
this some more, it only appears to be Radio 4 Extra which is affected
(and may well have been doing this before I did the re-install too as
that's the main station I listen to on Listen Again).

I've yet to find anything on Radio 4 Extra which will play but
everything I've tried on Radio 1/1 Xtra/2/3/4/5 Live/5 Sports Extra/6
Music/Asian Network is fine.

Is Radio 4 Extra encoded differently to all the others? Do I need to
make a settings tweak somewhere? TIA



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

PaulinPosset wrote: 
> Apologies in advance for adding to this thread but as a Windows user who
> has experienced dropouts on Live streams since the change to HLS, I was
> playing around with mbg's hack at the weekend and although both Live
> streaming and AOD worked, the inability to re-position in AOD has
> significant drawbacks. What I did notice whilst looking at the
> iPlayer.pm file was that the TTL_EXPIRE  is set to 10 so I increased it
> arbitrarily to 100. This seems to have solved, for me, the dropout
> issue. I ran a BBC Radio 2 stream on the Touch synced with Radio for
> over 18 hours without dropout. I also ran a BBC Radio 6 stream through
> the 'Squeeze2uPnP' bridge and although the stream  stopped/reset itself
> (the time indicator in the GUI never showed more than an hours play
> whereas the Radio 2 time was continuous) as far as I could tell play
> didn't actually stop and the stream was still playing in the morning. To
> me this is a significant improvement because previously when streams
> have stopped, pressing play was required to start again.
> 
> I know this is another hack, but one I thought worth sharing!

Sharing info is always good. 

I need to look at this in more detail but AFAICT all but one uses of
TTL_EXPIRE relate to the RTMP Flash protocol and not HLS.   
So if it is helping HLS playback - it needs to be checked that it does
not cause problems for Flash (i.e. Extras plugin) playback.  A more
precise patch (e.g. Two different TTL_EXPIRE constants) is needed.

When making a change I prefer to add instrumentation  to see before and
after changes and also which parts of the code are being executed.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] BBCiPlayer Plugins - an alternative quick fix guide

2015-11-02 Thread PaulinPosset

bpa wrote: 
> About Windoews I am only going on what other users have posted - I
> haven't dealt with WIndows.
> 
> 
> I said it is hard to pin down. 
> 
> LMS has its own DNS lookup and caching which is different code to
> ffmpeg's so differences would not be unusual.   The problem with HLS is
> that different segments are on different servers each one requires a DNS
> lookup.  If the read request gets delayed - LMS buffer gets depleted
> perhaps just by 0.1sec at a time.
> 
> LMS is using a single core and its own version of multithreading - a
> "select" loop (i.e. LMS looks at all I/O request that are ready and
> picks one) - however I don't know whether LMS is treating DNS request
> differently to others such as audio or slimproto. If a processing task
> such as plugin hogs processing and doesn't let LMS back to "select" loop
> - I/O are not handled.  ffmpeg is properly multihreaded (i.e. if running
> on a mulitcore CPU there are more scheduling options) and ffmpeg could
> makes overlapped  HLS network requests for audio so there is more leeway
> to recover from delays.
> 
> It's just a theory so until there is a definitive solution - a
> possibility.

Apologies in advance for adding to this thread but as a Windows user who
has experienced dropouts since the change to HLS, I was playing around
with mbg's hack at the weekend and although both Live streaming and AOD
worked, the inability to re-position in AOD has significant drawbacks.
What I did notice whilst looking at the iPlayer.pm file was that the
TTL_EXPIRE  is set to 10 so I increased it arbitrarily to 100. This
seems to have solved, for me, the dropout issue. I ran a BBC Radio 2
stream on the Touch synced with Radio for over 18 hours without dropout.
I also ran a BBC Radio 6 stream through the 'Squeeze2uPnP' bridge and
although the stream  stopped/reset itself (the time indicator in the GUI
never showed more than an hours play whereas the Radio 2 time was
continuous) as far as I could tell play didn't actually stop and the
stream was still playing in the morning. To me this is a significant
improvement because previously when streams have stopped, pressing play
was required to start again.

I know this is another hack, but one I thought worth sharing!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread Man in a van

mphearn wrote: 
> Ronnie,
> Thank you for your clear and comprehensive instructions which I intend
> to try to follow soon.
> Malcolm

Malcolm, just a little aside.

You might want to consider running LMS on a rpi B2 or Odroid C1+ or
another small form computer.

You could still use the nas to hold your music files (and leave LMS on
as a backup if you wish).

The raspberry could be left to run all day at very little cost and would
make this sort of maintenance much simpler.

This would also allow LMS to be updated whenever you wished.

It's that time of the year to make a list (who's been naughty or nice?).

atb

Ronnie.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread bpa

utgg wrote: 
> It would be straightforward enough for me, or several people here for
> that matter, to provide a new version of the plugin including all the
> patches here - and hopefully maintain that as the BBC continues to
> change things. Triode has used the GPLv2 license for all his plugins, so
> it is fine to copy and modify the plugin so long as you comply with the
> GPLv2 conditions. Unless Triode reappears, we will need to do this
> before long anyway, since googlecode, where Triode has hosted all of his
> plugins, is due to shut down completely in February next year. Note that
> this also applies to the ever popular Spotify plugin.
> 
> As bpa says, it is politeness to Triode (who may just happen to
> reappear), and just a little uneasiness with complying with those GPLv2
> conditions, that is stopping me. I don't even know where it is best to
> host the plugin, not having done anything like that before. I see there
> are plugins on sourceforge, but I'm a little uneasy with their terms and
> conditions with respect to that GPLv2 licence. Does anyone have any
> advice/experience of these things?

I think adding patches with the exisitng plugin may not be ocnsider a
derived work as the majority of the code is the same and the
functionality is the same.  As such I think the owner of the plugin is
still Triode and if the hosting access is the same (i.e. no financial
reward) as currently there should be no reason for Triode to sue.  The
other aspect is should 

I host the plugin whether I am now open to litigation from say BBC or
anybody else who may have a patent on some part of the code. Triode had
some sort of informal "relationship" with BBC and so got technical
support and gave feedback. Judging by BBC with 3rd party Apps - they
seem to issue take down notices rather than litigate.

Given that I already host the Extras plugin (which is not as compliant
to BBC's T&Cs than BBCiPlayer) and have been open to litigation and now
have to move Extra plugin host site  - I shall look into hosting the
BBCiPlayer plugin as well - acknowledging the Triode is still the
owner/author and indicating where patches have been added.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread Owen Smith

castalla wrote: 
> Good luck with your search!  I doubt you'll find anything equivalent
>  or anything which is so flexible.  The closest you'll get is Sonos.
> But you'll probably end up installing the sq2upnp bridge plugin to get
> back to LMS.  It took Sonos 9 months to get BBC hls working, and listen
> again is still scheduled for 2016.

I don't need multiroom support, I never got LMS sync to work for me and
I use Dynaudio wireless speakers to achiece that. All I need is a player
with live and listen again iPlayer. I'm going to try a Roku, which I
have an order for TV purposes anyway.

I will be continuing with LMS for playback of local FLACs etc from my
server, that doesn't seem likely to stop working any time soon.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread utgg

Owen Smith wrote: 
> What we need is a properly updated version of the plugin, not yet
> another patch. Patches are OK for testing, but are not the solution for
> a long term reliable system.

bpa wrote: 
> No decision has been made pending news about Triode and BBC was stready
> state until recently which has now brought this indecision to surface.

mphearn wrote: 
> I there a reason why the plugin originator (utgg) could not add it to
> the 3rd party plugins list in LMS Settings?

PasTim wrote: 
> It would help if we had a way of distributing fixes more easily,
> particularly for those of us who are less technically up to speed
> (including me), but we can't expect a group of volunteers to always be
> able to do this quickly.  It's obviously more complicated given the
> original plugin author has decided to move on, and a solution to the
> licensing and modification issues this raises would be welcome.

It would be straightforward enough for me, or several people here for
that matter, to provide a new version of the plugin including all the
patches here - and hopefully maintain that as the BBC continues to
change things. Triode has used the GPLv2 license for all his plugins, so
it is fine to copy and modify the plugin so long as you comply with the
GPLv2 conditions. Unless Triode reappears, we will need to do this
before long anyway, since googlecode, where Triode has hosted all of his
plugins, is due to shut down completely in February next year. Note that
this also applies to the ever popular Spotify plugin.

As bpa says, it is politeness to Triode (who may just happen to
reappear), and just a little uneasiness with complying with those GPLv2
conditions, that is stopping me. I don't even know where it is best to
host the plugin, not having done anything like that before. I see there
are plugins on sourceforge, but I'm a little uneasy with their terms and
conditions with respect to that GPLv2 licence. Does anyone have any
advice/experience of these things?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread mphearn

castalla wrote: 
> It's not a plugin!   It's two replacement files for the existing iplayer
> plugin.

Thank you, now I understand!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread castalla

mphearn wrote: 
> Ronnie,
> Thank you for your clear and comprehensive instructions which I intend
> to try to follow soon.
> Before I do, please may I ask another (niaive?) question. I there a
> reason why the plugin originator (utgg) could not add it to the 3rd
> party plugins list in LMS Settings? I seem to remember that this is how
> I easily applied the the plugins (from Triode and bpa) early this year
> when the BBC last made annoying changes.
> Thanks again, Malcolm

It's not a plugin!   It's two replacement files for the existing iplayer
plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread PasTim

Owen Smith wrote: 
> The fact that you use the phrase "all the patches" shows what a poor
> situation we are in. Patches, patches and more patches. What we need is
> a properly updated version of the plugin, not yet another patch. Patches
> are OK for testing, but are not the solution for a long term reliable
> system.
> 
> I've reached the stage of looking around for an alternative system,
> since it is clear LMS is slowly dropping out of support one plugin at a
> time. I'd like to stay with LMS, but I'm not seeing the sorts of things
> that requires.
There are only two current patches provided you start with a clean
plugin install.  This isn't ideal, but it's not impossible.  We have a
set of instructions that, as far as I know, is comprehensive and
comprehensible - if not please let me know.  

Unless you use the BBC's own apps, LMS is about as good as you are going
to get in having a system working as soon as they make changes.  From my
perspective LMS is very far from dropping out of support, and it can do
some things that no other system can do (such as play random 'works'
rather than just random 'songs').

It would help if we had a way of distributing fixes more easily,
particularly for those of us who are less technically up to speed
(including me), but we can't expect a group of volunteers to always be
able to do this quickly.  It's obviously more complicated given the
original plugin author has decided to move on, and a solution to the
licensing and modification issues this raises would be welcome.



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ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.  Minimserver (server) & upplay
(control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers.  Squeezelite to
Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones.  Wireless Xubuntu 15.04
laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.   Have a Touch
with EDO, plus spare, but unused.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Announce: BBCiPlayer Plugin (UK only)

2015-11-02 Thread mphearn

Man in a van wrote: 
> mp, you will need to use (windows computer) WnSCP to access the file on
> the nas.
> 
> First start the LMS on the nas and go to the Settings page and click on
> the Information tab.
> 
> You will see the IP address of the LMS install on the Nas (copy and save
> that somewhere).
> 
> Scroll down the page and you will see the Pathway to the Plugins folder,
> also copy and save that.
> 
> Download the Parser file to your Desktop.
> 
> Stop LMS.
> 
> Start WinSCP  fill in the IP address of the LMS and the user and
> password, select SCP in the protocol box IP goes in the Host name box. 
> 
> You will get a Window with two panes, on the left hand pane, navigate to
> Desktop and scroll until you find the Parser file.
> 
> In the right hand pane, navigate to the BBCiPlayer Plugin and open it.
> 
> Rename the listed Parser file by adding "Old" to the front of the file
> name.
> 
> Drag the new Parser file across from the left to the right. You might
> have to click save (I have not used my qnap nas as LMS server for a long
> time, so my memory might be a bit faulty).
> 
> On your way out of the BBCiPlayer plugin, left click the blue arrow at
> the top until you come to the Cache folder, scroll down and delete the
> file cache.db.
> 
> Exit WinSCP and restart LMS.
> 
> if this works, then you can go back and delete the "Old2 parser file or
> just leave it lie.
> 
> This is a bit quick and dirty "how to" but I hope it will help.
> 
> Atb
> 
> Ronnie
> 
> Edit: just realised you will also need the new icons (opml file) so
> recommend that you download and install the patch (using the same method
> as above)
> 
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19095&d=1446031140
> 
> See the info from utgg here
> 
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-%28UK-only%29&p=814578&viewfull=1#post814578


Ronnie,
Thank you for your clear and comprehensive instructions which I intend
to try to follow soon.
Before I do, please may I ask another (niaive?) question. I there a
reason why the plugin originator (utgg) could not add it to the 3rd
party plugins list in LMS Settings? I seem to remember that this is how
I easily applied the the plugins (from Triode and bpa) early this year
when the BBC last made annoying changes.
Thanks again, Malcolm



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