Re: [political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI
Regarding the credibility of UFO reports: Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State contains hundreds of them, and most of them ring true to me -- they do not have the look and feel of fabrications. If you datamine them, you'll see the same patterns coming up repeatedly in reports from all over the world. Where there is this much smoke, there is probably fire. There is little sense in Dolan's survey of the evidence that any governments are in control of what is going on -- other than control of the cover-up and systematic ridicule of UFO eyewitnesses. The real action on UFOs has been buried deep inside the national security state, far out of the view of the general public. So: ETs may be real AND certain parties at the highest levels of the national security state may also be playing ET memes in a manipulative way. Or, the most disturbing scenario: the highest levels of the national security state may be under the control of ETs. It all sounds very crazy, I know. But the universe may be a wild and crazy place. Now: if we were being visited by various species of ETs, with varying and conflicting agendas, and that are answerable to other parties and interests outside of our solar system whose intelligence vastly exceeds our own, then the conspiracy possibilities would break the minds of most human beings. Might as well just go with the flow and pretend everything is normal. Albert Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree with Sean's analysis of alien species, and Vigil's separation of aliens from UFOs is not necessarily the same phenomen. Haven't read Dolan, but will check him out on amazon. YOu wrote: very credible UFO sightings coming from all around the world, often from the most reliable of sources, and often supported by radar and photographic evidence. UFO sightings are often composed of 'adjectival phrases,' an adjective-noun usage. In above, a source is credible or not, but it is not more or less credible. Credibility of source is a major problem in MSM; to cite merely as a 'credible source' is equivalent of citing an unnamed source with credibility well within the sphere of unpredictability. The radar and photo evidence are all quite capable of manipulation, and images are usually fuzzy, faraway, grainy, very 1960-ish. I haven't seen the source credibility in reports of UFOs to be able to ascertain if all available information is used when conclusions are drawn. A UFO sighting reported by a 'reliable source' in Bumfuk, Argentina, doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in the report. If the report would have said, 'the president of Argentina met today at noon in the town square with a representative of an alien race,' or similar event, I might find the report more believable because I know I can find corroborating reports all across MSM. It just hasn't happened. An axiom of source credibility is that a credible source must be visible (identified, named). Source credibility is damaged by other issues. Our educational system is loaded with zionists; why should we expect 'the truth' from intellectuals and 'experts'? If they can establish themselves as experts with awards and degrees with ease, why would a single 'expert' have any more believability or credibility than the results of a debate between Dershowitz and Finkelstein? Events have believability, credibility, and verifiability when observed directly. Information not observed directly is second-hand, and loses credibility and verifiability the further it is removed from it's source. From Invisible Enemy: Pre-propaganda promotes social disorder: crime, murders, rapes, robbery, and defenses of criminals over victims, and uses the legal system to promote ethnic and racial outrage. The Rodney King and O. J. Simpson trials of the 1990s are the now-classic examples of antisocial vehicles carrying the negative messages of race and sex. Equally destructive pre-propaganda are the ethnic themes of Nazi racial attitudes, victimization of Jews, Polish brutality and stupidity, Arab backwardness, violence on the part of Italians, and bigotry against the Irish that are regular features of print and cinematic media. Recognizing unfocused hatred as a spontaneous and common sentiment, pre-propaganda supports political propaganda each time it designates someone as the source of all misery. (Any tall tale will be believed once it enters into the passionate current of hatred the less educated and informed people to whom propaganda of agitation is addressed, the easier it is to make such propaganda .)15 Ellul refers to this as the propaganda of developed nations and characteristic of our civilization, which did not exist before the twentieth century. It is a propaganda of conformity.16 Abboud cites Jacques Ellul classic Propaganda. Check this link: http://www.voxpublishing.com/IE/TheMassMediaIE.pdf Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI
I have not really studied this, but I have followed up on some tantalizing leads, and have always come away disillusioned. Reports that sound credible when filtered through a UFO author sometimes sound totally off the wall when you get a more unvarnished version of the witness testimony, for example. Based on what I've seen, this is a massive psyop with many aspects. I think the MKULTRA crowd is interested from a Jungian angle on the potential for a new religion for a number of purposes - the ever popular mass psychosis for example. Secondly I think this makes a real neat tar-baby for a conspiracy theorist like myself - just like the 911 no-planers. It's a nifty kind of reducto ad absurdum for a conspiracy monger like me. I really don't know how to fight it. Re the odd response of the govt agencies - my take is that they are overtly debunking but covertly encouraging, and deliberately are leaving the paper trail that Dolan is writing about to keep the myth growing. Tim --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the credibility of UFO reports: Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State contains hundreds of them, and most of them ring true to me -- they do not have the look and feel of fabrications. If you datamine them, you'll see the same patterns coming up repeatedly in reports from all over the world. Where there is this much smoke, there is probably fire. There is little sense in Dolan's survey of the evidence that any governments are in control of what is going on -- other than control of the cover-up and systematic ridicule of UFO eyewitnesses. The real action on UFOs has been buried deep inside the national security state, far out of the view of the general public. So: ETs may be real AND certain parties at the highest levels of the national security state may also be playing ET memes in a manipulative way. Or, the most disturbing scenario: the highest levels of the national security state may be under the control of ETs. It all sounds very crazy, I know. But the universe may be a wild and crazy place. Now: if we were being visited by various species of ETs, with varying and conflicting agendas, and that are answerable to other parties and interests outside of our solar system whose intelligence vastly exceeds our own, then the conspiracy possibilities would break the minds of most human beings. Might as well just go with the flow and pretend everything is normal. Albert Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree with Sean's analysis of alien species, and Vigil's separation of aliens from UFOs is not necessarily the same phenomen. Haven't read Dolan, but will check him out on amazon. YOu wrote: very credible UFO sightings coming from all around the world, often from the most reliable of sources, and often supported by radar and photographic evidence. UFO sightings are often composed of 'adjectival phrases,' an adjective-noun usage. In above, a source is credible or not, but it is not more or less credible. Credibility of source is a major problem in MSM; to cite merely as a 'credible source' is equivalent of citing an unnamed source with credibility well within the sphere of unpredictability. The radar and photo evidence are all quite capable of manipulation, and images are usually fuzzy, faraway, grainy, very 1960-ish. I haven't seen the source credibility in reports of UFOs to be able to ascertain if all available information is used when conclusions are drawn. A UFO sighting reported by a 'reliable source' in Bumfuk, Argentina, doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in the report. If the report would have said, 'the president of Argentina met today at noon in the town square with a representative of an alien race,' or similar event, I might find the report more believable because I know I can find corroborating reports all across MSM. It just hasn't happened. An axiom of source credibility is that a credible source must be visible (identified, named). Source credibility is damaged by other issues. Our educational system is loaded with zionists; why should we expect 'the truth' from intellectuals and 'experts'? If they can establish themselves as experts with awards and degrees with ease, why would a single 'expert' have any more believability or credibility than the results of a debate between Dershowitz and Finkelstein? Events have believability, credibility, and verifiability when observed directly. Information not observed directly is second-hand, and loses credibility and verifiability the further it is removed from it's source. From Invisible Enemy: Pre-propaganda promotes social disorder: crime, murders, rapes, robbery, and defenses of criminals over victims, and uses the legal system to promote ethnic and racial outrage. The Rodney King and O. J. Simpson trials of
[political-research] Wrap Your New VISA Card In Aluminum Foil - It Has An RFID Chip In It!
Also called contactless technology by some banks. Can't microwave it, that would kill the magstripe. http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/paywave/index.html http://www.google.com/search?as_q=rfid+%22aluminum+foil%22hl=ennum=100
Re: [political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI
A few years ago, in an exchange on cia-drugs with Phoenix from High Times, I took precisely the position you are taking now. Richard Dolan's book has pushed me off that position. The government infighting about how to handle the UFO controversy seems real, many of the UFO sightings and reports seem credible in a consistent way, and the government coverup appears to be straightforward. If you give Dolan's book some serious attention (read it carefully from front to back), perhaps you will also change your mind; maybe not. If UFOs are a psyop, it is a huge psyop, truly massive. The powers that be must have big plans for it down the line (probably as a device for establishing a world government under the cover of a new world religion). But maybe it isn't a psyop. Perhaps it is as difficult for us to believe that we are being visited by aliens as it was for previous generations to believe that the world is round or that our planet revolves around the sun. I assume you've assimilated all these authors and sources as you approach the UFO discussion: Bob Lazar Budd Hopkins David Jacobs Don Berliner Donald Keyhoe Howard Blum Ivan Sanderson J. Allen Hynek Jacques Vallee James MacDonald Jim Marrs John Lear John Mack Linda Moulton Howe Nick Redfern Philip Corso Raymond Fowler Richard Dolan Stanton Friedman Steven Greer Timothy Good Whitley Strieber William Cooper For newcomers to UFO controversies, I'd start with Dolan, then do Greer, then maybe do Corso. tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not really studied this, but I have followed up on some tantalizing leads, and have always come away disillusioned. Reports that sound credible when filtered through a UFO author sometimes sound totally off the wall when you get a more unvarnished version of the witness testimony, for example. Based on what I've seen, this is a massive psyop with many aspects. I think the MKULTRA crowd is interested from a Jungian angle on the potential for a new religion for a number of purposes - the ever popular mass psychosis for example. Secondly I think this makes a real neat tar-baby for a conspiracy theorist like myself - just like the 911 no-planers. It's a nifty kind of reducto ad absurdum for a conspiracy monger like me. I really don't know how to fight it. Re the odd response of the govt agencies - my take is that they are overtly debunking but covertly encouraging, and deliberately are leaving the paper trail that Dolan is writing about to keep the myth growing. Tim --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the credibility of UFO reports: Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State contains hundreds of them, and most of them ring true to me -- they do not have the look and feel of fabrications. If you datamine them, you'll see the same patterns coming up repeatedly in reports from all over the world. Where there is this much smoke, there is probably fire. There is little sense in Dolan's survey of the evidence that any governments are in control of what is going on -- other than control of the cover-up and systematic ridicule of UFO eyewitnesses. The real action on UFOs has been buried deep inside the national security state, far out of the view of the general public. So: ETs may be real AND certain parties at the highest levels of the national security state may also be playing ET memes in a manipulative way. Or, the most disturbing scenario: the highest levels of the national security state may be under the control of ETs. It all sounds very crazy, I know. But the universe may be a wild and crazy place. Now: if we were being visited by various species of ETs, with varying and conflicting agendas, and that are answerable to other parties and interests outside of our solar system whose intelligence vastly exceeds our own, then the conspiracy possibilities would break the minds of most human beings. Might as well just go with the flow and pretend everything is normal. Albert Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree with Sean's analysis of alien species, and Vigil's separation of aliens from UFOs is not necessarily the same phenomen. Haven't read Dolan, but will check him out on amazon. YOu wrote: very credible UFO sightings coming from all around the world, often from the most reliable of sources, and often supported by radar and photographic evidence. UFO sightings are often composed of 'adjectival phrases,' an adjective-noun usage. In above, a source is credible or not, but it is not more or less credible. Credibility of source is a major problem in MSM; to cite merely as a 'credible source' is equivalent of citing an unnamed source with credibility well within the sphere of unpredictability. The radar and photo
[political-research] More warnings about a U.S.-Iran war
Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: More warnings about a U.S.-Iran war via Salon: Glenn Greenwald by Glenn Greenwald on Jun 15, 2007 A leading British journalist warns of the imminent dangers caused by what he calls the neoconservative ideologues who still run the Bush Administration. Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on Salon: Glenn Greenwald - Subscribe to Salon: Glenn Greenwald using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[political-research] Putin's Censored Press Conference: Mike Whitney for GlobalResearch.ca
Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: Putin's Censored Press Conference: Mike Whitney for GlobalResearch.ca via NeoCon Watch by Blackie on Jun 15, 2007 On Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin gave an hour and a half-long press conference which was attended by many members of the world media. The contents of that meeting---in which Putin answered all questions concerning nuclear proliferation, human rights, Kosovo, democracy and the present confrontation with the United States over missile defense in Europe---have been completely censored by Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on NeoCon Watch - Subscribe to NeoCon Watch using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[political-research] It's All About Greater Israel
[... and Natan Sharansky, a leading neocon, does not really give a damn about freedom. He's a messianic ethnic cultist, a Greater Israel true believer, who is helping to destroy the United States with a totalitarian ideology dedicated to endless war against cult outsiders.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: Sharansky loses a supporter; Palestinian self-destruction ... - International Herald Tribune via Greater Israel OR Judea and Samaria OR Eretz Israel OR Eretz Yisrael - Google News on Jun 15, 2007 Sharansky loses a supporter; Palestinian self-destruction ... International Herald Tribune, France - 3 hours ago But since coming to Israel, and riding his refusenik celebrity to political power, Sharansky has stood for transcendent Jewish sovereignty in Greater Israel ... Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on Greater Israel OR Judea and Samaria OR Eretz Israel OR Eretz Yisrael - Google News - Subscribe to Greater Israel OR Judea and Samaria OR Eretz Israel OR Eretz Yisrael - Google News using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
Re: [political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI
i would add wilhelm reich to that. get THE ORANUR EXPERIMENT: FIRST REPORT and then his atmospheric research in which he noted what we call UFOs, in ORANUR, SECOND REPORT: CONTACT WITH SPACE. here is some material from william lyne: http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/index.html?search=lynetop_submit_search_button=Search havent read most of what is below, but following up on the issue is on my agenda at some point. - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI A few years ago, in an exchange on cia-drugs with Phoenix from High Times, I took precisely the position you are taking now. Richard Dolan's book has pushed me off that position. The government infighting about how to handle the UFO controversy seems real, many of the UFO sightings and reports seem credible in a consistent way, and the government coverup appears to be straightforward. If you give Dolan's book some serious attention (read it carefully from front to back), perhaps you will also change your mind; maybe not. If UFOs are a psyop, it is a huge psyop, truly massive. The powers that be must have big plans for it down the line (probably as a device for establishing a world government under the cover of a new world religion). But maybe it isn't a psyop. Perhaps it is as difficult for us to believe that we are being visited by aliens as it was for previous generations to believe that the world is round or that our planet revolves around the sun. I assume you've assimilated all these authors and sources as you approach the UFO discussion: Bob Lazar Budd Hopkins David Jacobs Don Berliner Donald Keyhoe Howard Blum Ivan Sanderson J. Allen Hynek Jacques Vallee James MacDonald Jim Marrs John Lear John Mack Linda Moulton Howe Nick Redfern Philip Corso Raymond Fowler Richard Dolan Stanton Friedman Steven Greer Timothy Good Whitley Strieber William Cooper For newcomers to UFO controversies, I'd start with Dolan, then do Greer, then maybe do Corso. tim_howells_1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not really studied this, but I have followed up on some tantalizing leads, and have always come away disillusioned. Reports sound totally off the wall when you get a more unvarnished version of the witness testimony, for example. Based on what I've seen, this is a massive psyop with many aspects. I think the MKULTRA crowd is interested from a Jungian angle on the potential for a new religion for a number of purposes - the ever popular mass psychosis for example. Secondly I think this makes a real neat tar-baby for a conspiracy theorist like myself - just like the 911 no-planers. It's a nifty kind of reducto ad absurdum for a conspiracy monger like me. I really don't know how to fight it. Re the odd response of the govt agencies - my take is that they are overtly debunking but covertly encouraging, and deliberately are leaving the paper trail that Dolan is writing about to keep the myth growing. Tim --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the credibility of UFO reports: Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State contains hundreds of them, and most of them ring true to me -- they do not have the look and feel of fabrications. If you datamine them, you'll see the same patterns coming up repeatedly in reports from all over the world. Where there is this much smoke, there is probably fire. There is little sense in Dolan's survey of the evidence that any governments are in control of what is going on -- other than control of the cover-up and systematic ridicule of UFO eyewitnesses. The real action on UFOs has been buried deep inside the national security state, far out of the view of the general public. So: ETs may be real AND certain parties at the highest levels of the national security state may also be playing ET memes in a manipulative way. Or, the most disturbing scenario: the highest levels of the national security state may be under the control of ETs. It all sounds very crazy, I know. But the universe may be a wild and crazy place. Now: if we were being visited by various species of ETs, with varying and conflicting agendas, and that are answerable to other parties and interests outside of our solar system whose intelligence vastly exceeds our own, then the conspiracy possibilities would break the minds of most human beings. Might as well just go with the flow and pretend everything is normal. Albert Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agree with Sean's analysis of alien species, and Vigil's separation of aliens from
[political-research] The Real 'X-Files'? : Is Uncle Sam a Closet UFOlogist?
Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: The Real ?X-Files? : Is Uncle Sam a Closet UFOlogist? via exopolitics at Yahoo! Groups by Exopolitics on Jun 15, 2007 Source: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=29317 The Real 'X-Files' : Is Uncle Sam a Closet UFOlogist? Gus Russo June Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on exopolitics at Yahoo! Groups - Subscribe to exopolitics at Yahoo! Groups using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[political-research] Strange Company: Military Encounters with UFOs in World War II
Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: Strange Company: Military Encounters with UFOs in World War II via Amazon.com: UFOs in Books on Jun 15, 2007 Mankind had reached a threshold in the forth decade of the twentieth century. There were unprecedented scientific and technological achievements, but despite such progress, humanity was entering one of its darkest chapters. World War II would grip the world with terror for six years. During that time military personnel reported seeing numerous highly unconventional aircraft in all theaters of operation. These objects had extraordinary flight performance capabilities, came in a variety of shapes, sizes, and colors, and were able to travel at extraordinary speeds and avoid radar detection. Strange Company is the first in-depth account of unconventional aircraft observed and reported by the military during World War II. It includes the reactions by military commands, their viewpoints, and theories as they struggled to make sense of the observations. Strange Company presents one of the greatest wartime mysteries, one that has been shrouded in ignorance for more than sixty years. And it suggests that while an immense twentieth century war was raging on Earth, there appeared to be someone, or something, from somewhere else, watching us. Author: Keith Chester Paperback: 320 pages Company: Anomalist Books (2007-05-30) ISBN: 1933665203 List Price: $17.95 Amazon Price: $17.95 Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on Amazon.com: UFOs in Books - Subscribe to Amazon.com: UFOs in Books using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
[political-research] The Silence of Henry Waxman on Sibel Edmonds
[Best guess: he's protecting the neocons and the Israel lobby.] Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: The Silence of Henry Waxman via OpEdNews - OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion on Jun 15, 2007 House Committee and Oversight Chairman Henry Waxman has refused to give any answer to a coalition of civil liberties and good government groups on whether or not he would hold hearings on the case of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds. Why? Things you can do from here: - Visit the original item on OpEdNews - OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion - Subscribe to OpEdNews - OpEdNews.Com Progressive, Tough Liberal News and Opinion using Google Reader - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your favorite sites
