Re: update blows up
Marc Espie wrote: Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would need to solve both. Let me suggest a partial solution that might get close. Here's a list of steps that I think could help, where more and more steps implemented would mean a better and better solution... 1) add some sort of build number to package names. The number can be a real build number, or a date+time number, or just some number modulo some other number N (say, 100, to limit it to 2 digits) as long as all mirrors have a very high probability of getting synched at least once for every N build. I presume it wouldn't be too hard to change the build scripts to do that, and to change pkg_add to handle the new format. Once that's done then pkg_add can rely on the build numbers to ensure that a package and its dependencies all come from the same build. I.e. if the user wants to install package P, pkg_add finds the current P-37 from the user-specified mirror, and if P depends on some other package D, then pkg_add will only look for D-37 and nothing else. If pkg_add can't find D-37 (i.e. only D-36 or D-38 exists) then it can at least give a nice try again later error message to the user and abort (rather than the current situation where pkg_add gets the wrong build of D and the user's left to guess what the problem is when some strange error message shows up). That's essentially what some users currently use SHA256 for, to ensure P and D come from the same build, except that now pkg_add can do the check itself automatically (and more, see below). Advantages: fairly easy to do, no extra disk space or bandwidth required, mirrors do not need to be actively involved, users get a clear error message when they hit a half-synched mirror. Disadvantage: the transition to the new package name format might be very messy, the package names become even uglier (ideally the build number ought to be part of the path, not part of the package name, but then you are back to the problem of mirrors having to deal with multiple directories and twice the disk space when going from one build to the next, etc). 2) There is currently a map from country to mirror names (i.e. ftp.html) and a map from mirror names to mirror IP addresses (i.e. the DNS). Write a program that takes both maps as input and creates a map from country to IP addresses (it should be done with a program, because both maps probably change regularly). Use the resulting map to automatically update a hierarchical region-based DNS system for mirrors (very much like the www.pool.ntp.org system). For example, have jp.mirrors.openbsd.org then asia.mirrors.openbsd.org then finally world.mirrors.openbsd.org. Some mirrors already use some sort of openbsd.org names but here the idea is to organize them all in a systematic manner based on geography. Once that's done, change ftp.html to remove all the real names of mirrors and put there only the names of the DNS-based pools. Advantages: fairly easy to do, no extra disk space or bandwidth required, mirrors do not need to be actively involved, compatible with the existing version of pkg_add, and it might even help spread the load more evenly among mirrors in each region (just in case that's a problem...) Disadvantages: well we haven't really gained anything in this step, have we? It's just preparatory work for the next step. Some users might complain because they can't use a specific mirror in their region anymore (unless they remember its real name or keep an old copy of ftp.html around). Extra bonus: Theo de Raadt's primary site doesn't have to be in the pools, it can just be used as an invisible feed for the mirrors and for the developers only (i.e. other users use mirrors and mirrors only based on the pools system). Or it can be just in world.mirrors.openbsd.org only and therefore get fewer users since most people will probably use local mirrors first and since the primary site will just be one anonymous IP address among all the ones in world.mirrors.openbsd.org. 3) Modify pkg_add to make it mirror-pools aware. For example, a user wants to install package P from jp.mirrors.openbsd.org. pkg_add gets from the DNS one IP address from that pool, connects to it, finds P-37. P depends on D so pkg_add tries to get D-37. If D-37 exists on that mirror, you're good to go. If it does not (i.e. only D-36 or D-38 exist) then pkg_add automatically tries another mirror in the same pool jp.mirrors.openbsd.org. Since the package name and the build number together uniquely identify the file that pkg_add is looking for, we know that, if pkg_add finds a D-37 on one of the other mirrors in the pool, then it's the one we need. If pkg_add does not find D-37 in the pool jp.mirrors.openbsd.org then it automatically tries the next level asia.mirrors.openbsd.org (minus the mirrors in jp.mirrors.openbsd.org)
Re: update blows up
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 03:14:07PM -0400, Philippe Meunier wrote: 5) Modify pkg_add to add extra features. For example, have a special build number for packages that need a new maintainer. When a user tries to install such a package he gets a message this package needs a maintainer, since obviously you are using this package you've therefore just volunteered yourself for the job, please enter your email address below, thank you. There's no limit to the amount of metadata you can encode in package names so the sky's the limit (modulo manpower, obviously). heh ;) -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Re: update blows up
Not a solution as well. It's too rigid. One nice things with packages and dependencies is that it does depend exactly on what is should. Artificial build numbers are just that: artificial. Won't go into more detail now, but your idea is flawed. Thanks for trying.
Re: update blows up
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:14 -0400, Philippe Meunier meun...@ccs.neu.edu wrote: Marc Espie wrote: Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would need to solve both. Let me suggest a partial solution that might get close. Here's a list SNIP lots of potentially useful information. I don't know I'm no expert. (At least it's not a bunch of whining and crying) Or you could try a different mirror or wait a few and try again and realize that the project is doing its best is aware of the problem and is only doing it to piss off frantisek. Which is totally worth it.
Re: update blows up
Please stop this silliness, what are You 5? | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? no, not really. i dont judge a product by the social behaviour of its leader. very few people would be using openbsd otherwise. it's not my fault theo can't ignore mails he thinks stupid. he could do it just as well as the others and save a lot of trouble and bad image. but that's too easy, isn't it? i guess he needs to blow some steam so he calls people names cause he can hide behind the internetz | it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone | writes something he doesnt like. Who gives a shit ? Some dude on the internet calls you an idiot, so what ? I just told you you suck because you said something I don't like. If you can't stand the heat, get your ass out the kitchen. yes Paul, you are a nobody on the internet, i agree. and i coudln't care less what you say about me in the public. on the other hand, perhaps you feel warm and fuzzy when the leader of your favourite project (and not just some dude on the internet really) calls you names in front of the whole community again and again. i, personally, am not in favour of tarnishing my name this way. i am making considerable effort to be on good terms with the project members and have no beef to grind with them whatsoever. i am not a person looking for fights, consult the archives. and please spare me the because you deserved it probably shit, because the other devs rarely join in on his escapades and try to hold a civil face (thank you all, you know who you are). so it is proven to be possible to stay civilised. | in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, | whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared | that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. And what country would that be ? Moronia ? The country of We fight because we're bunch of idiots ? if you call a big guy in the bar an idiot you better run and hide or live with the consequences. if someone calls your girlfriend a fat bitch into your face, i imagine you just whistle and pretend nothing's happened, right? thought so Paul, thought so. carry on. one day someone will sue theo for libel and then he will ask for donations for a lawyer. of course i never thought theo a man who would stand up to another man and put his fist where his mouth is -- and i dont mean punching himself.. he's damn lucky duels are illegal nowadays. -f
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In Paul's defense, fh is really a moron. Gilles Tomasz Pajor a écrit : Please stop this silliness, what are You 5? | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? no, not really. i dont judge a product by the social behaviour of its leader. very few people would be using openbsd otherwise. it's not my fault theo can't ignore mails he thinks stupid. he could do it just as well as the others and save a lot of trouble and bad image. but that's too easy, isn't it? i guess he needs to blow some steam so he calls people names cause he can hide behind the internetz | it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone | writes something he doesnt like. Who gives a shit ? Some dude on the internet calls you an idiot, so what ? I just told you you suck because you said something I don't like. If you can't stand the heat, get your ass out the kitchen. yes Paul, you are a nobody on the internet, i agree. and i coudln't care less what you say about me in the public. on the other hand, perhaps you feel warm and fuzzy when the leader of your favourite project (and not just some dude on the internet really) calls you names in front of the whole community again and again. i, personally, am not in favour of tarnishing my name this way. i am making considerable effort to be on good terms with the project members and have no beef to grind with them whatsoever. i am not a person looking for fights, consult the archives. and please spare me the because you deserved it probably shit, because the other devs rarely join in on his escapades and try to hold a civil face (thank you all, you know who you are). so it is proven to be possible to stay civilised. | in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, | whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared | that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. And what country would that be ? Moronia ? The country of We fight because we're bunch of idiots ? if you call a big guy in the bar an idiot you better run and hide or live with the consequences. if someone calls your girlfriend a fat bitch into your face, i imagine you just whistle and pretend nothing's happened, right? thought so Paul, thought so. carry on. one day someone will sue theo for libel and then he will ask for donations for a lawyer. of course i never thought theo a man who would stand up to another man and put his fist where his mouth is -- and i dont mean punching himself.. he's damn lucky duels are illegal nowadays. -f
Re: update blows up
Look, guys, I'm not going to take sides on this one. Just don't blow it out of proportions. Fact: half snapshots are FUCKING ANNOYING. I don't know a working solution for this issue. The bandwidth of the T1 line is an issue. The disk usage on the servers is an issue. A full solution would need to solve both. Having more bandwidth will just reduce the window where you don't have a full snapshot available. It won't remove it. Part solution: have two snapshots. Alternate between snap1 and snap2. Don't push a snap to the mirrors until the first one is done. Problems: need twice the disk space. How do you ensure the first snapshot is done ? This is really a tough problem. Fixing it would require to have an infrastructure that knows what it's doing. And most mirrors are just that: mirrors... there's no order to the way things are done. I'm going to work on some things that will make the problem less painful, as in have pkg_add update what it can and keep going as long as it can do sane work. But I don't see any simple solution to the whole snapshot synch problem. Assume we have more than a T1 line to push packages out. Then what ? only reduces the window where people get fucked... until we have twice as many packages, or twice as many arches (okay, that one is a JOKE ;) ) and it comes back to bite our collective asses...
Re: update blows up
On 2009 Oct 08 (Thu) at 01:34:36 +0200 (+0200), Martin Schröder wrote: :2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: : If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. : :I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this :problem (among others) by signing their packages. Feel free to flame me. : package signing does nothing extra for partial-sync mirrors. the reason why the SHA256 file works is that these are the SHA hashes for the entire batch. -- Steele's Plagiarism of Somebody's Philosophy: Everybody should believe in something -- I believe I'll have another drink.
Re: update blows up
i dont see how this is stupid... Don't worry. Most of us see your name and at that moment delete the mail. This reply is an exception.
Re: update blows up
2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this problem (among others) by signing their packages. Feel free to flame me. Solve the problem that all the packages are exported via a only a T1 because people don't fund the project enough and we can take the next steps.
Re: update blows up
Mirrors pull from other mirrors, with this method some mirrors will do their own lock handling, others will just rsync the lock files from their upstream and you'll end up with a broken mirror that looks valid. Or something may go wrong and a transfer only goes halfway while indicating success, etc. It's not robust. If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. Stuart, I think we are missing an opportunity to recruit this person to manage the 50+ mirrors that the project runs, which are of course many many steps removed from the build process... Oh oops. I forgot. We don't trust this specific loser we are discussing, since he spends all his time making uneducated complaints on the mailing lists. Sorry, forget the idea.
Re: update blows up
hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 12:23:52AM -0600, Theo de Raadt said that Stuart, I think we are missing an opportunity to recruit this person to manage the 50+ mirrors that the project runs, which are of course many many steps removed from the build process... Oh oops. I forgot. We don't trust this specific loser we are discussing, since he spends all his time making uneducated complaints on the mailing lists. Sorry, forget the idea. what's the big deal here? my original mail was full of smileys.. i half-jokingly proposed a deliberately simplistic solution to a problem that in the end is a much bigger problem. so what? never happened to you? that the picture uncovered itself as you went along? ah, the perfect people. i can't recall a big open discussion about partial mirror synching here on ports@ or how pkg_add could deal with this so it's not that it's a theme discussed to death and i should know everything about it. pointing out the pitfalls would have been more than enough without the personal insults (like when you did with /procfs). but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand and thanking you for the great operating system you are managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps insulting me regardless of what i say. just because noone is buying the cd's go and chew on someone else and leave me alone theo. and don't just delete my mails because you could still accidentaly read them. rtfm procmailex(5) to see how you can send my mails right to /dev/null or ask someone to do it for you. -f -- nothing can go wrong now, go wrong, gow rong, grong!
Re: update blows up
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand | and thanking you for the great operating system you are | managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, | because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps | insulting me regardless of what i say. Are you serious ? Someone says something you don't like and your reaction would be to turn to violence ? I'm not sure if I dare say anything about it - will you break my nose too if I do ? If you're serious - you seriously suck. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: update blows up
Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five times in the same thread and expect that he won't become defensive. You're too smart to ignore the reaction of all creatures, including people, when backed into a corner. It's our very nature. If you don't like the question someone asks, follow the first rule of OpenBSD etiquette: Ignore them. JC On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Paul de Weerd we...@weirdnet.nl wrote: On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand | and thanking you for the great operating system you are | managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, | because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps | insulting me regardless of what i say. Are you serious ? Someone says something you don't like and your reaction would be to turn to violence ? I'm not sure if I dare say anything about it - will you break my nose too if I do ? If you're serious - you seriously suck. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
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On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 06:54:37AM -0700, James Crutchfield wrote: | Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's | opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five | times in the same thread and expect that he won't become defensive. You're | too smart to ignore the reaction of all creatures, including people, when | backed into a corner. It's our very nature. Overly dramatic ? Hmm. I consider threatening with violence to be overly stupid. And I wouldn't call breaking a nose defensive. Sure, I'm not too worried that anyone on this list is going to come by my house and punch me in the face. I was trying to point out the stupidity of threatening with violence when someone says something you don't like. | If you don't like the question someone asks, follow the first rule of | OpenBSD etiquette: Ignore them. Sure, and if you don't like the reactions you get (be they insults or whatever), ignore those too. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
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Paul de Weerd a écrit : On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 06:54:37AM -0700, James Crutchfield wrote: | Oh, Paul - don't be so overly dramatic. Regardless of your or anyone else's | opinion of the intelligence behind a question, you can't insult a man five | times in the same thread and expect that he won't become defensive. You're | too smart to ignore the reaction of all creatures, including people, when | backed into a corner. It's our very nature. Overly dramatic ? Hmm. I consider threatening with violence to be overly stupid. And I wouldn't call breaking a nose defensive. Sure, I'm not too worried that anyone on this list is going to come by my house and punch me in the face. I was trying to point out the stupidity of threatening with violence when someone says something you don't like. For some people I would go through the pain of going to their house and punch them in the face or stab them with a fork, given this project was followed by volunteers ;-) Gilles
Re: update blows up
hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand | and thanking you for the great operating system you are | managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, | because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps | insulting me regardless of what i say. Are you serious ? Someone says something you don't like and your reaction would be to turn to violence ? I'm not sure if I dare say anything about it - will you break my nose too if I do ? If you're serious - you seriously suck. i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult the archives + i have my private collection. it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone writes something he doesnt like. in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. -f -- i am not a complete idiot. some parts are missing.
Re: update blows up
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, frantisek holop min...@obiit.org wrote: hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand | and thanking you for the great operating system you are | managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, | because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps | insulting me regardless of what i say. Are you serious ? Someone says something you don't like and your reaction would be to turn to violence ? I'm not sure if I dare say anything about it - will you break my nose too if I do ? If you're serious - you seriously suck. i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult the archives + i have my private collection. it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone writes something he doesnt like. in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. So in other words, beating someone up because you don't like them is cool and favorable over name calling on a public mailing list? So because I think you're an idiot... rather than telling you I think you're an idiot I should beat you senseless in an alley?
Re: update blows up
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:26:48PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 03:01:17PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that | On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 02:26:29PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: | | but you know what? if theo hadn't been there, i'd be still | | the internet wussy i was when i got on the internetz. | | thank you theo, you made me a better man. i just hope that | | one day we will meet in person, and after shaking your hand | | and thanking you for the great operating system you are | | managing, i can call you out to the street and brake your nose, | | because i tend to react in the old fashion when someone keeps | | insulting me regardless of what i say. | | Are you serious ? Someone says something you don't like and your | reaction would be to turn to violence ? I'm not sure if I dare say | anything about it - will you break my nose too if I do ? | | If you're serious - you seriously suck. | | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? | it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone | writes something he doesnt like. Who gives a shit ? Some dude on the internet calls you an idiot, so what ? I just told you you suck because you said something I don't like. If you can't stand the heat, get your ass out the kitchen. | in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, | whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared | that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. And what country would that be ? Moronia ? The country of We fight because we're bunch of idiots ? | i am not a complete idiot. some parts are missing. How true. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
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hmm, on Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:47:21PM +0200, Paul de Weerd said that | i am talking about years of insultings by theo. please consult | the archives + i have my private collection. Very nice for you. So you stick around for the insults ? no, not really. i dont judge a product by the social behaviour of its leader. very few people would be using openbsd otherwise. it's not my fault theo can't ignore mails he thinks stupid. he could do it just as well as the others and save a lot of trouble and bad image. but that's too easy, isn't it? i guess he needs to blow some steam so he calls people names cause he can hide behind the internetz. | it is him who is resolving to name callings if someone | writes something he doesnt like. Who gives a shit ? Some dude on the internet calls you an idiot, so what ? I just told you you suck because you said something I don't like. If you can't stand the heat, get your ass out the kitchen. yes Paul, you are a nobody on the internet, i agree. and i coudln't care less what you say about me in the public. on the other hand, perhaps you feel warm and fuzzy when the leader of your favourite project (and not just some dude on the internet really) calls you names in front of the whole community again and again. i, personally, am not in favour of tarnishing my name this way. i am making considerable effort to be on good terms with the project members and have no beef to grind with them whatsoever. i am not a person looking for fights, consult the archives. and please spare me the because you deserved it probably shit, because the other devs rarely join in on his escapades and try to hold a civil face (thank you all, you know who you are). so it is proven to be possible to stay civilised. | in my country if you call people names (even if warranted, | whatever that means in this case), you better be prepared | that some might pick up the gauntlet and kick your ass. And what country would that be ? Moronia ? The country of We fight because we're bunch of idiots ? if you call a big guy in the bar an idiot you better run and hide or live with the consequences. if someone calls your girlfriend a fat bitch into your face, i imagine you just whistle and pretend nothing's happened, right? thought so Paul, thought so. carry on. one day someone will sue theo for libel and then he will ask for donations for a lawyer. of course i never thought theo a man who would stand up to another man and put his fist where his mouth is -- and i dont mean punching himself.. he's damn lucky duels are illegal nowadays. -f -- 1st law of thermodynamics: go to class!
Re: update blows up
On Thu, 8 Oct 2009, Gilles Chehade wrote: For some people I would go through the pain of going to their house and punch them in the face or stab them with a fork, given this project was followed by volunteers ;-) Never saw a list where people discuss punches and bits on the same thread. Funny. Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
update blows up
hello gang, i have just installed a snapshot and proceeded to update my packages. everything went fine until it got to gtk+2 plus friends. PKG_PATH=./:ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ amaaq$ sudo pkg_add -ui pango cairo glitz No packages available in the PKG_PATH Candidates for updating pango-1.22.4p1 - pango-1.24.5 Not updating .libs-glib2-2.20.5, remember to clean it Looking for updates: complete Running the equivalent of pkg_add -r pango-1.24.5 Can't install pango-1.24.5: lib not found glib-2.0.1801.0 Dependencies for pango-1.24.5 resolve to: libiconv-1.13, cairo-1.8.8p0, gettext-0.17p0, glib2-2.22.1 Full dependency tree is libiconv-1.13,glitz-0.5.6p2,cairo-1.8.8p0,pcre-7.9,gettext-0.17p0,glib2-2.22.1,png-1.2.39 glib-2.0.1801.0: partial match in /usr/local/lib: major=1802, minor=0 (bad major) Can't install pango-1.24.5: lib not found gmodule-2.0.1801.0 gmodule-2.0.1801.0: partial match in /usr/local/lib: major=1802, minor=0 (bad major) Can't install pango-1.24.5: lib not found gobject-2.0.1801.0 gobject-2.0.1801.0: partial match in /usr/local/lib: major=1802, minor=0 (bad major) no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. -f -- pi seconds is a nanocentury.
Re: update blows up
hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop said that no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. ok, i think i have found the clue. Error from ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/php5-core-5.2.11.tgz: 550 Failed to open file. php5-gd-5.2.11:Can't find php5-core-5.2.11 Clean shared items: complete /usr/sbin/pkg_add: php5-core-5.2.11:Fatal error the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove it afterwards? :] pkg_add could pick up this file and inform a user about it, possibly waiting for the lock to be released. could be waiting like pkg_* tools wait for each other :] -f -- and god said, e = 1/2mv^2 - ze^2/r, and there was light.
Re: update blows up
On 2009/10/07 22:07, frantisek holop wrote: hello gang, i have just installed a snapshot and proceeded to update my packages. everything went fine until it got to gtk+2 plus friends. PKG_PATH=./:ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ amaaq$ sudo pkg_add -ui pango cairo glitz No packages available in the PKG_PATH Candidates for updating pango-1.22.4p1 - pango-1.24.5 Not updating .libs-glib2-2.20.5, remember to clean it ftp ls opena* 150 Here comes the directory listing. -rw-r--r--1 742 0 6286145 Oct 06 22:41 openafs-1.4.7p10.tgz -rw-r--r--1 742 0 192104 Oct 06 22:41 openal-0.0.8p0.tgz -rw-r--r--1 742 0 584146 Oct 06 22:41 openarena-0.8.1p0.tgz -rw-r--r--1 742 0306297090 Sep 30 20:18 openarena-data-0.8.1p1.tgz -rw-r--r--1 742 0 249633 Sep 30 20:18 openarena-server-0.8.1p0.tgz 226 Directory send OK. the mirror has parts of two sets of packages, give it a while to finish syncing and it will be happy again. I usually do ls a* and ls z* and check the dates..
Re: update blows up
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. you may have hit a mirror fetching new packages right now. retry in a few hours or try another mirror. Ciao, Kili -- Du bist 30, ich bin 33, also darf ich mir 10% mehr Vergesslichkeit leisten. -- Karsten Daniel zu Sascha Matzke
Re: update blows up
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:37:17PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 10:07:55PM +0200, frantisek holop said that no matter what i do now, everything dies because of the gtk+2 stuff. am i doing something wrong? the mirror is behind? the files are there, i have checked. ok, i think i have found the clue. Error from ftp://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/php5-core-5.2.11.tgz: 550 Failed to open file. php5-gd-5.2.11:Can't find php5-core-5.2.11 Clean shared items: complete /usr/sbin/pkg_add: php5-core-5.2.11:Fatal error the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove it afterwards? :] Do you seriously think every mirror does its own bulk build ? Think a bit more about the whole problem of snapshots distribution of several gigabytes all over the world on mirrors operated by various people, some of them not even using OpenBSD, and please realize what you propose is stupid. Landry
Re: update blows up
hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove it afterwards? :] Do you seriously think every mirror does its own bulk build ? Think a bit more about the whole problem of snapshots distribution of several gigabytes all over the world on mirrors operated by various people, some of them not even using OpenBSD, and please realize what you propose is stupid. i dont see how this is stupid... ok, some of them just get the packages, so what? the script that does that could touch a .lock file when it starts and remove it when it is finished... this could be handy even without pkg_add implementing it.. i can look for the file and if it's there, i'll retry later. even this can be automatized if needed. i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than this. -f -- i thank my lucky stars i'm not superstitious.
Re: update blows up
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:49:27PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove it afterwards? :] Do you seriously think every mirror does its own bulk build ? Think a bit more about the whole problem of snapshots distribution of several gigabytes all over the world on mirrors operated by various people, some of them not even using OpenBSD, and please realize what you propose is stupid. i dont see how this is stupid... ok, some of them just get the packages, so what? the script that does that could touch a .lock file when it starts and remove it when it is finished... Yeah sure, let's force all ftpmasters on all mirrors to use the same script to sync their mirror. Good luck. i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than this. And even if you check timestamps from first and last file, how do you force a mirror to sync, say, from a to z, to be sure the sync is over ? Now, you want to check for all timestamps ? Srsly ? Do you really think noone though about this issue ? If it's still this way, there's a reason. Landry
Re: update blows up
On 2009/10/07 23:49, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 11:00:26PM +0200, Landry Breuil said that the mirror is not finished yet probably. hey, what about a nice feature in pkg_add, that while the mirror is doing the bulk build, the build script would create a text file in the ftp directory, .building and remove it afterwards? :] Do you seriously think every mirror does its own bulk build ? Think a bit more about the whole problem of snapshots distribution of several gigabytes all over the world on mirrors operated by various people, some of them not even using OpenBSD, and please realize what you propose is stupid. i dont see how this is stupid... ok, some of them just get the packages, so what? the script that does that could touch a .lock file when it starts and remove it when it is finished... Mirrors pull from other mirrors, with this method some mirrors will do their own lock handling, others will just rsync the lock files from their upstream and you'll end up with a broken mirror that looks valid. Or something may go wrong and a transfer only goes halfway while indicating success, etc. It's not robust. If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes.
Re: update blows up
2009/10/8 Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org: If you want something better, download SHA256 and check the hashes. I know this has been discussed before, but other free OS solve this problem (among others) by signing their packages. Feel free to flame me. Best Martin
Re: update blows up
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than this. If you need this kind of certaity when updating, you can use -stable. Afterall, you're using -current. Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
Re: update blows up
Or better yet, setup your own mirror server with all these functions you want and use that.. Just a thought -Original Message- From: Daniel Bolgheroni m...@dbolgheroni.eng.br Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 11:40 PM To: frantisek holop min...@obiit.org Cc: ports@openbsd.org ports@openbsd.org Subject: Re: update blows up On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, frantisek holop wrote: i mean, this is a legit error situation for pkg_add. i dont see why it cannot be informed about the state of mirror's state of synchronisation... the infrastructure is there to do something similar than this. If you need this kind of certaity when updating, you can use -stable. Afterall, you're using -current. Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
