Re: Beatniks?
What would be the equivelant word usage for beatniks in the 90's...anyone know for sure daddy o ? Clapped out old farts? -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
RE: Mandy B
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Don Yates wrote: And it looks like I was right: "Ever True Evermore" was recorded by Patti Page (as was "With My Eyes Wide Open I'm Dreaming"), and "Mistakes" was recorded by Vera Lynn. !--don Friggin' hell! Not *the* Vera Lynn? Sweetheart of the Forces in WWII? Her of whom Ken Dodd once observed that he knew there was going to be war in the Falklands when he walked past her house and heard her practising her scales? Her who is heard singing "We'll meet again" over the closing credits of 'Doctor Strangelove'? Dear me, life's just getting too weird these days. ------ Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
New addition to P2 family
Yesterday my cat Tammy (named for Ms W) had her first litter. Mother and family (Lyle, Hank, Loretta and Emmylou) are doing fine but have, as yet, not made their musical preferences known. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: weird Muzak experiences
Joe wrote:
Seems like the title was "Rain Keeps Fallin'" or something, but it was
one of their followup hits after "Mover". They also had a hit with
"Mendocino" (which I have heard played by an orchestra on Muzak.)
--
Also had a strange experience with Muzak. I was in Austin a couple
of years back just before Xmas (you ever heard the Cornell Hurd
band do an Xmas medley while you're eating enchiladas?) and I was in
the HEB supermarket near the Austin Motel stocking up on anchos. I
became aware that the Muzak sounded familiar, after listening a few
seconds I realised that it was the German hymn tune 'Tannenbaum'
which I believe you associate with Xmas ('O Christmas Tree, O
Christmas tree etc'). Now anyone from over here only thinks of one
association with that tune, it's the air to 'The Red Flag' longtime
anthem of the Labour movement ("The people's flag is deepest red,
it shrouded oft our martyred dead "). I resisted the temptation
to join in the chorus ("So raise the scarlet standard high, Beneath
its shade we'll live and die, Tho' cowards flinch and traitors
sneer, We'll keep the Red Flag flying here") as I figured it might
not go down too well in Texas, even in Austin, but it did strike me
as pretty weird.
PS The words of The Red Flag were:
a) originally written to be sung to the tune of an Irish folk song
'The White Cockade'
b) composed by two men stuck on a train between New Cross and London
Bridge stations
There's not many people know that, (b) anyway.
------
Iain Noble
Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy,
28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK
Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Re: Nic Jones (fwd)
Here's what I posted:
FORWARDED MAIL ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Iain Noble)
Date: 11 Mar 99
Originally To: "passenger side" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been asked how you can get hold of the recording of Nic Jones
live in concert ('In search of Nic Jones') that I mentioned.
Go to http://www.lesk.demon.co.uk/pages/search.htm
and you'll find the details. Also a lot of interesting stuff and
links about Nic and other revival folk singers.
--
Iain Noble
Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy,
28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK
Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Re: Nic Jones
Awhile back there was a Nic Jones discussion. I'm hoping one of you pack rats still have info on the release titled In Search Of or something close to that. If someone can forward it to me offline I'd appreciate it. Gracias Jeff I thought I posted this to the list. I'll check around for the details and repost. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Jewish Country-Western Hits: (fwd)
And I thought y'all might like this
FORWARDED MAIL --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arlene Stein)
Date: 24 Mar 99
Originally To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, some of this may not translate, but I thought it might provide a
giggle or two...
Jewish Country-Western Hits:
For *You* I Should Be Singing?!
Honky-Tonk Nights on the Golan Heights
I Was One of the Chosen People ('Til She Chose Somebody Else)
I've Got My Foot On The Glass, Where Are You?
Mama Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Gentiles
My Rowdy Friend Elijah's Comin' Over Tonight.
New bottle of Whiskey, Same Old Testament
Stand by Your Mensch
Achy Breaky Hip
I Got the Guilt, You Got the Gelt (I Went and Cut Another Notch in My
Belt)
I'm Cryin' in My Manischewitz ('Cause I Lost Rebecca Levitz)
All My Ex's Made an Exodus
The Shiksa's Gonna Hit the Fan
Four Thousand Years of Sufferin', and I Had to Marry You
My Woman Gave Me Crabs, and That Ain't Kosher
Homeland on the Range
All right, Already, Enough With The Infidelity!
Eighteen Wheels and a Dozen Latkes
The Second Time She Said 'Shalom', I Knew She Meant 'Goodbye'
I Balanced Your Books, but You're Breaking My Heart
You've Been Talkin' Hebrew in Your Sleep Since that Rabbi Came to Town
Mamas Don't Let Your Ungrateful Sons Grow Up to Be Cowboys (When They
Could Very Easily Have Just Taken Over the Family Hardware Business that
My Own Grandfather Broke His Back to Start and My Father Sweat Over for
YearsWhich Apparently Doesn't Mean Anything Now That You're Turning
Your Back on Such a Gift)
That Shiksa Done Made off with My Heart Like a Goniff
--
Iain Noble
Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy,
28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK
Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Re: Careless Love?
Apologies if this was discussed while I was gone, but has anyone read Guralnick's Careless Love and, if so, how is it? I just finished Last Train to Memphis and while I'm hesitant to dedicate 1300 straight pages of reading to The King, I figure I may as well read it while all the names and dates are still rattling around. I'm also reading Colin Escott's Hank bio (finally) and man, what phenomenal writers these guys are. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup. I have. I posted a while ago asking if there was an interest in a discussion but it seems there was a brief one while I was gone writing papers and pacifying the taxman. But that's not going to stop me. Coming soon: 'Joe Friday meets The King on the Mystery Train: The curious silences of Peter Guralnick'. Only problem is I've got a couple of urgent questionnaires to do, a marketing plan for the Social Policy Association to write, the front room's gotta be painted and there's the fruit bushes to mulch, onions to plant and the lawns to demoss. So it'll be a week/ten days at least before I can get round to this. Despite any criticisms I'll have about the book (mainly about Guralnick eschewing virtually any kind of interpretative commentary) it's a fine thing, easily the equal of the first volume. Read this book - it's good if, naturally, rather depressing. Great photos again too (if not quite the equal of the Wertheimer ones in the first vol). -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Boot recommendations?
Justin. Every time. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Nic Jones and John Wesley Hardin
Steve Gardner wrote: Nic Jones is really cool. Nic Jones' records are really cool, too. It's criminal that they haven't been reissued on CD. John Wesley Harding is really cool. His records are really cool, too. The combination of these two on Wes' latest CD "Trad Arr Jones" is amazing. Wes takes 11 stabs at material from Nic Jones' mostly traditional repetoire. Wes is accompanied by Robert Lloyd only on the recording. The CD is out on Zero Hour which is home of Varnaline. Varnaline is really cool, too. One of the best things about this CD is that although it is terrific, your life still isn't complete until you've heard Nic do these songs himself (and his guitar playing!) So anyways, go get this CD if you like cont.folk, trad.folk, acoustic, english or british folky popsters. Indeed Nic was really cool. I count myself lucky to have known him. The situation is, AFAIK, as follows: Nic recorded his originals in the 70s and early 80s. Early in the 80s, at the height of his powers, he was very badly injured in a car crash and suffered severe brain damage which meant he was subsequently unable to perform or work in any other way. Although I believe he has recently returned to making music as therapy he will never record again. He is now wholly dependent on his family and State benefits. The rights to his recordings were sold off when the record company went bust in the 80s and are now held by someone who refuses to re-release them on CD, or license them for release by others, other than after payment of a sum which would mean that little benefit would go to Nic. I'm told this individual makes a habit of such behaviour. The recent issue of live recordings of Nic was an attempt by his friends (Martin Carthy amongst others) to try and get some income for Nic and his family from his past work. I assume that as these new recordings by JWH are labelled 'Trad. arr. Jones' Nic will benefit from the publishing rights at least. Buy this record. Play it on your radio shows. Tell your friends to do likewise. Nic was a great performer and a great guy. He deserves our help. It should be a CD well worth the price anyway. Nic was a master of the broadside ballad. Before the old weird America there was the even older weirder England. The broadside ballads (printed sheets with songs on topical - even appalling - events, printed in London and sold throughout the country from the late C16 to the early C20) are often similar to the sort of material found on the Smith collection, songs which were popular for their oddity or eccentricity or for the outlandishness of the events they describe. 'Knoxville Girl' probably started its life as a broadside. No other performer, IMHO, has ever made the broadsides live as much as Nic did, not least through his arrangements and interpretation. Ordinarily I'd offer to tape my (somewhat distressed) vinyl records for people but in this case what's important is that Nic gets the benefit of a proper re-release of some of the finest revival folk ever recorded. Good sales of this record might just persuade the relevant people that this should now be done. 'Criminal' is far too mild a word for the current situation. Np: Nic Jones 'William Glenn' -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Clockwork Orange (was Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick)
Tom Mohr wrote:
Regarding "A Clockwork Orange", Iain Noble wrote:
If I'm baffled by anything it's Tom's description of the film as
'decadent' and 'appalling'. I think he's confusing depiction with
approval.
and
You might
disapprove of what something shows or says but that doesn't mean
it's bad art.
I've tried before to articulate my disgust with this film, and I
usually end up pointing to another Chicago critic:
A Clockwork Orange
Capsule by Dave Kehr
From the Chicago Reader
A very bad film--snide, barely competent, and overdrawn--that enjoys a
perennial popularity, perhaps because its
confused moral position appeals to the secret Nietzscheans within us.
It's a movie that Leopold and Loeb would
have loved, endorsing brutality in the name of nonconformism. At best,
Stanley Kubrick's 1971 film suggests an
Animal House with bogus intellectual trappings. But the trappings--the
rationalizations and spurious
arguments--are what make it genuinely irresponsible, genuinely
abhorrent. With Malcolm McDowell, Patrick
Magee, and Michael Bates.
A number of friends have told me to see "Silence of the Lambs", and
I've avoided it for the same reasons that I dislike
"Clockwork Orange". I don't think you can make a good movie (or good
art) about serial killers who eat people or about
amoral rapists.
Which only goes to confirm my original objections. The use of the
term 'decadent' with reference to art (and Kubrick's films are art)
almost invariably articulates and conceals a moral or political
agenda while appearing to make an aesthetic judgement. The best
analysis of this I know is Wilde's preface to later editions of
'The Picture of Dorian Gray'.
As for 'I don't think you can make a good movie (or good
art) about serial killers who eat people or about
amoral rapists', my simple answer is of course you can. Art of all
kinds would be immeasurably poorer without various depictions and
analyses of appalling behaviour from Sophocles to Hitchcock.
Your Chicago critic is simply wrong. Burgess' book is most
emphatically anti-Nietzschean, as a Catholic conservative he was
trying to demonstrate the crucial importance of morality and ethics
- exemplified by religion - as the very essence of social bonds, the
message of the book is that it cannot be replaced by either
repressive control or by technical fixes aimed at
'curing' the offender ('re-education' as they used to call it in
China). It may be that the film fails to carry this theme across
effectively (which may account for Burgess' dislike of it) but I
found it there. And I must agree to differ with your critic's
assessment of the film's technical merits too. And I never saw the
slightest hint of Kubrick's justifying the actions of the droogs.
As for the comparison with 'Silence of the Lambs' this simply does
not work. This is a standard Hollywood pot-boiler (enriched by a
thick slice of overripe Welsh ham), perhaps you ought to see 'Red
Dragon' an earlier film about the first Hannibal Lecter novel with
Brian Cox as the good doctor which is rather better. The use of
music is good in that too. But neither can compare with the
slightest of Kubrick's work.
------
Iain Noble
Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy,
28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK
Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
Re: Nic Jones
I've been asked how you can get hold of the recording of Nic Jones live in concert that I mentioned. Go to http://www.lesk.demon.co.uk/pages/search.htm and you'll find the details. Also a lot of interesting stuff and links about Nic and other revival folk singers. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: RIP Stanley Kubrick
Roger Ebert on "Clockwork Orange": Kubrick's ``A Clockwork Orange'' (1971) starred Malcolm McDowell as a violent lout in a fearsome world of the near future; its prophetic vision was so disturbing that the movie is banned in Britain to this day. ( http://www.suntimes.com/output/showcase/kub08i.html ) Tom Mohr on "Clockwork Orange": Absolutely astonishing that Kubrick could, in three years, go from the brilliant heights of "2001" to the decadent depths of "A Clockwork Orange." An appalling movie. Its appeal is utterly baffling. -- Tom Mohr First let's get it clear about 'Clockwork Orange'. The film was withdrawn from circulation in this country by Kubrick himself after several UK tabloids launched a moral panic about copy cat attacks shortly after the film came out. It has never been banned by the Board of Film Censors, or any other authority, over here and was, indeed, approved for showing by them. In recent years Kubrick took legal action on a number of occasions to stop public showing of bootleg videos of the film in the UK. Just why he withdrew the film and kept it withdrawn can only be a matter of speculation but my take is that he simply didn't want the hassle of coping with our gutter press. I'm one of the few people here who actually saw it in a cinema. I'd read the book a few years earlier when I was learning Russian (the argot spoken by the 'droogs' is based on Russian, Anthony Burgess - a fellow Lancastrian - was a former teacher of Russian). Visiting my parents in S London late in the summer of 1973 I was strolling past the local Odeon and noticed a billing for the film (it was palying there in some sort of unpublicised preview before the main opening in the West End), so I went in. I had the great fortune to take a seat next to a classic S London skinhead and seeing and hearing his reactions gave me a whole new perspective. If I'm baffled by anything it's Tom's description of the film as 'decadent' and 'appalling'. I think he's confusing depiction with approval. Both the book and the film set out to depict appalling behaviour which they see as the result of social decadence (the book especially so, which is far more moralistic than the film - for what it's worth Burgess hated the film). I have seen the film only once but I remember an astonishing and powerful work of art (albeit a flawed one), which epitomises Kubrick's ability to combine the commercial with the artistic in a way few other directors have ever managed (Hitchcock being the only consistently better). You might disapprove of what something shows or says but that doesn't mean it's bad art. On the other hand I found '2001' quite the least of his work (along with 'Barry Lyndon') as it seems fundamentally incoherent (not usually a fault of Kubrick) and have never been able to understand the hippy mystic awe it is held in in some quarters. I also used to know what the Russians were saying in '2001' as I could speak the language at the time. But I've forgotten. I do recall, however, it wasn't significant. ------ Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Dusty Springfield
Ohh God. *Really* bad news. The only singer we produced who could compare with the Motown greats. If you grew up in the 60s over here Dusty was part of the soundtrack of your life. One of the truly great pop voices. The harmless gaiety of the nations is much diminished. If any of you can find the video put out (by Dave Clark Productions - yes *that* Dave Clark) of the 'Ready, Steady, Go' Motown show you should buy it. Featuring most of the Motown greats live (and James Jamerson's amazing pompadour) it was compered by Dusty and she does a fine duet with Martha Reeves. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Dusty Springfield and the Pope
The media tributes are coming thick and fast over here. One thing that's been mentioned is when the Pope visited Guatemala last year they played 'Son of a Preacher Man' over the airport PA to welcome him. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: The Eradication Game (Re: Grammyszzzzzzzzz....)
In a message dated 2/27/99 9:49:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Therefore, I'm gonna groove to Eric Carmon's "She Did It" and Al Stewart's "Year of the Cat" until they put me in a deep dark hole. Did I ever tell you I was in Tahoe in a casino playing keeno (or some game I didn't understand) when I heard strains of "Year of the Cat" coming from their small show room? And yes, it really was Al. Wasn't much a draw -- I peaked in and there were only a handful of people. Sorry, Jer Deb Ah yes. Al Stewart, add him to the list, toot sweet. I recall a concert at the Albert Hall in 1967 where I has to sit through him at his most narcissistic and then Roy Harper at his most self-indulgent to hear The Watersons and then, because the first two had overrun so much I had to leave halfway through their set to catch the last train home. And, re Cheryl's comments on the right way to wear makeup, it did occur to me at the time to ask the poster what his views were on the correct sort of makeup for men... NP: M People - One night in heaven/Itchycoo Park It's all too beautiful. ------ Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Ringo
Looks like I have a good chance on interviewing Ringo and trying to get ready. Anyone have any ideas on "different" questions to ask him other than the same old crap? Thanks in advance for any tips, I have a feeling I will have to remind myself to not drool, so I want to be really prepared. Nancy Is it true he took tins of baked beans with him when they went to stay with the Maharishi in India? And did he realy say that the M's place was just like Butlin's? -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: The Eradication Game (Re: Grammyszzzzzzzzz....)
Yes. No? -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Clip: First country music and now *this*?
Joe Gracey writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From today's MSNBC website. C'mon, don't tell me y'all never *suspected*?" Falwell suspects Teletubby is gay Hell, we've all known this for years. Where has Jerry been? 'Fraid Joe is right. It's just another example of the insidious tactics us Brits will stoop to to undermine your republic, along with laughing at Dolly (even naming that cloned sheep after her), abusing your Western Swing bands and conning you into thinking that artists like Siouxsie and Adam Ant are serious cultural phenomena. In fact the whole impeachment thing was set up by MI6 as part of a plot to persuade you into reapplying for colonial status so you can enjoy really wholesome leadership once more under that nice Mr Blair. Special Relationship? Don't make me laugh - we're going to tax your tea and make you eat Caribbean bananas. If the Norwegian end of this works out it'll be compulsory lutefisk and rockabilly for breakfast. Be afraid, be very afraid. -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Elvis Part II
I got the secod volume of the Guralinick ordered from Amazon. Anybody fancy a discussion about this ? -- Iain Noble Hound Dog Research, Survey and Social Research Consultancy, 28A Collegiate Crescent Sheffield S10 2BA UK Phone/fax: (+44) (0)114 267 1394 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
