Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Miles Fidelman]

Martin Schütte wrote:

Mauro Faccenda wrote:
   

Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
 

I heard some praise for http://www.sympa.org/
But I never used it myself.
   
a tremendous piece of work - truly industrial strength with strong 
support (open source from a consortium of French universities) - I use 
it to support several dozen lists, supports multiple virtual domains


can be a bit tricky to get set up, though more recent releases have been 
pretty easier, and the support list is great (lots of users and the main 
developers respond as well)


works fine with Postfix (my installation includes Postfix, amavisd, 
spamassassin, clamav - they all wire together just fine)


I recommend it highly

Miles

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.    Yogi Berra

Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Mauro Faccenda]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:35 PM, /dev/rob0  wrote:
[...]
>>
>> My only problem with Mailman is that I can't have two lists with
>> the same 'mailbox' (the part before the @) in different virtual
>> domains (i.e. supp...@company.com and supp...@anothercompany.com),
>> and this is mandatory in my setup.
>
> There are dozens of workarounds for this limitation.
>
> First, why does the list name itself matter? What matters is that
> actual email addresses are aliased to the list commands. Example
> virtual(5) mapping:
>
> supp...@example.com     example.com_supp...@localhost
> supp...@example.net     example.net_supp...@localhost
> supp...@example.org     example.org_supp...@localhost

I know I can use this kind of workaround, but it doesn't seem much
'professional', as the real address/name is shown in the web interface
and messages.

Also, I want to ease the management for the users and every time
someone creates a list I'll need to create a dozen of aliases for it,
it isn't practical.

Maybe I could do it with a regexp mapping, but... I think you got it.
It seems that I'm using a screwdriver to hammer a nail.

>
> And other mappings as needed for the various Mailman commands. In
> this example, the outside senders see and use the right support@
> addresses, and only the help desk people see the real list names
> of "domain.tld_support".
>
> Second, this is trivially solved with multiple instances. You could
> have config_directory as subdirectories of /etc/postfix/ such as
> /etc/postfix/example.com, and do likewise for the queue_ and
> data_directory for each instance.
>    http://www.postfix.org/MULTI_INSTANCE_README.html

Yeah, I know I could do that aswell, but I'll have a lot of domains in
these servers. Seems better then the first suggestion, but a another
list manager seems even better (BTW: as far as I could see, Sympa is a
lot better!)

Another thing that bugs me, is that the Mailman's Brazilian Portuguese
translation is SCARY. If I'd stick with Mailman I'd like to spend some
time improving it.

> I don't know about other MLMs, but I am sure you can solve your
> problem with some Postfixation.

Thanks anyway for your suggestions ;)

Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Jerry]

On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:53:08 -0200
Mauro Faccenda  replied:

>Hm... that makes two recommendations, I'll take a look at it as well.
>
>Thanks Victoriano and Martin.
>
>Mauro
>
>2010/3/19 Victoriano Giralt :
>> On 19/3/10 16:17, Martin Schütte wrote:
>>> Mauro Faccenda wrote:
 Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a
 Mailing Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
>>>
>>> I heard some praise for http://www.sympa.org/
>>> But I never used it myself.
>>>
>> I've been in the Mailman "acknowledgments" page for some time, and I
>> sort of pushed the internatiolaisation of Mailman, which I'm really
>> proud of. I'm also a declared Pythonist.
>>
>> But circumstances and organizational needs have made me to use Sympa
>> and get ready for transitioning to it. Only thing I can say is that
>> it is a wonderful performant tool, with a lot of excellent
>> capabilities and extensions.

I have used 'dada mail'  with excellent
success. The author is readily available for assistance if required.

-- 
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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[/dev/rob0]

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 08:50:01AM -0300, Mauro Faccenda wrote:
> I know this isn't exactly a Postfix question, but as postfix's

I plan to make it one. :)

> administrators the users of this list probably can answer the
> question.
> 
> Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a
> Mailing Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
> 
> My only problem with Mailman is that I can't have two lists with
> the same 'mailbox' (the part before the @) in different virtual
> domains (i.e. supp...@company.com and supp...@anothercompany.com),
> and this is mandatory in my setup.

There are dozens of workarounds for this limitation.

First, why does the list name itself matter? What matters is that
actual email addresses are aliased to the list commands. Example
virtual(5) mapping:

supp...@example.com example.com_supp...@localhost
supp...@example.net example.net_supp...@localhost
supp...@example.org example.org_supp...@localhost

And other mappings as needed for the various Mailman commands. In
this example, the outside senders see and use the right support@
addresses, and only the help desk people see the real list names
of "domain.tld_support".

Second, this is trivially solved with multiple instances. You could 
have config_directory as subdirectories of /etc/postfix/ such as 
/etc/postfix/example.com, and do likewise for the queue_ and 
data_directory for each instance.
http://www.postfix.org/MULTI_INSTANCE_README.html

I don't know about other MLMs, but I am sure you can solve your
problem with some Postfixation.
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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Gaby Vanhegan]

On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:53, Mauro Faccenda wrote:

> Hm... that makes two recommendations, I'll take a look at it as well.
> Thanks Victoriano and Martin.


I have quite easily integrate mlmmj with Postfix, it's rather nice one you get 
setup.  No fiddly web interfaces to worry about, it's all handled over email 
and with small config files for each list.

All I had to do postfix side was create an alias for each list then have a 
virtual entry delivering to that local alias.  The alias then fed the message 
directly into mlmmj and all was good.

G.

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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Mauro Faccenda]

Hm... that makes two recommendations, I'll take a look at it as well.

Thanks Victoriano and Martin.

Mauro

2010/3/19 Victoriano Giralt :
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> On 19/3/10 16:17, Martin Schütte wrote:
>> Mauro Faccenda wrote:
>>> Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
>>> Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
>>
>> I heard some praise for http://www.sympa.org/
>> But I never used it myself.
>>
> I've been in the Mailman "acknowledgments" page for some time, and I
> sort of pushed the internatiolaisation of Mailman, which I'm really
> proud of. I'm also a declared Pythonist.
>
> But circumstances and organizational needs have made me to use Sympa and
> get ready for transitioning to it. Only thing I can say is that it is a
> wonderful performant tool, with a lot of excellent capabilities and
> extensions.
>
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> University of Malaga
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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Victoriano Giralt]

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On 19/3/10 16:17, Martin Schütte wrote:
> Mauro Faccenda wrote:
>> Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
>> Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
> 
> I heard some praise for http://www.sympa.org/
> But I never used it myself.
> 
I've been in the Mailman "acknowledgments" page for some time, and I
sort of pushed the internatiolaisation of Mailman, which I'm really
proud of. I'm also a declared Pythonist.

But circumstances and organizational needs have made me to use Sympa and
get ready for transitioning to it. Only thing I can say is that it is a
wonderful performant tool, with a lot of excellent capabilities and
extensions.

- -- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central ICT Services
University of Malaga
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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Martin Schütte]

Mauro Faccenda wrote:
> Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
> Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?

I heard some praise for http://www.sympa.org/
But I never used it myself.

-- 
Martin

Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Mauro Faccenda]

Thanks John,

With that words said, definitively I'll give it a try.

Mauro

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:19 AM, John Levine  wrote:
>>Last time I used majordomo was in the 90's, I don't know if there is a
>>web interface. Can you tell me if there is a official one? Or can you
>>recommend another software to ease the management?
>
> Majordomo2 is a complete rewrite from scratch.  All it shares with mj1
> is the basic commands used in control messages. MJ2 has a web
> interface (more cluttered than mailmain, but quite powerful and, I can
> say from experience, quite usable by my users) and a shell interface
> if you have ssh access to the machine where mj2 runs.
>
> I've been using it for years, it works great.  It does have migration
> tools so it's relatively straightforward to switch from mj1.
>
> R's,
> John
>

Re: alternatative to Mailman

[John Levine]

>Last time I used majordomo was in the 90's, I don't know if there is a
>web interface. Can you tell me if there is a official one? Or can you
>recommend another software to ease the management?

Majordomo2 is a complete rewrite from scratch.  All it shares with mj1
is the basic commands used in control messages. MJ2 has a web
interface (more cluttered than mailmain, but quite powerful and, I can
say from experience, quite usable by my users) and a shell interface
if you have ssh access to the machine where mj2 runs.

I've been using it for years, it works great.  It does have migration
tools so it's relatively straightforward to switch from mj1.

R's,
John

Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Mauro Faccenda]

Hi Marc,

Thanks for your suggestion: I'll take a look at it.

Last time I used majordomo was in the 90's, I don't know if there is a
web interface. Can you tell me if there is a official one? Or can you
recommend another software to ease the management?

Again, thanks.

Mauro

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Marc G. Fournier  wrote:
>
> We use Majordomo2 for the postgresql.org lists, and this definitely allows
> for supp...@domain1 seperate from supp...@domain2 ...
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Mauro Faccenda wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I know this isn't exactly a Postfix question, but as postfix's
>> administrators the users of this list probably can answer the
>> question.
>>
>> Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
>> Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?
>>
>> My only problem with Mailman is that I can't have two lists with the
>> same 'mailbox' (the part before the @) in different virtual domains
>> (i.e. supp...@company.com and supp...@anothercompany.com), and this is
>> mandatory in my setup.
>>
>> I know there is some patches that enables that functionality, but they
>> are quite old and doesn't work well in actual versions of Mailman.
>>
>> I need a web management interface, so the managers of each list can do
>> all the tasks they need. Email interface is OK, but since the users
>> are not exactly technical experts, a web interface is better. And a
>> Brazilian Portuguese translation is another plus.
>>
>> On Postfix add-ons page I could see some, but I never heard about them
>> (besides majordomo and Mailman).
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Mauro
>>
>
> 
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Re: alternatative to Mailman

[Marc G. Fournier]

We use Majordomo2 for the postgresql.org lists, and this definitely allows 
for supp...@domain1 seperate from supp...@domain2 ...




On Fri, 19 Mar 2010, Mauro Faccenda wrote:


Hi there,

I know this isn't exactly a Postfix question, but as postfix's
administrators the users of this list probably can answer the
question.

Does anyone can recommend any good alternative to Mailman as a Mailing
Lists Manager that plugs well with Postfix?

My only problem with Mailman is that I can't have two lists with the
same 'mailbox' (the part before the @) in different virtual domains
(i.e. supp...@company.com and supp...@anothercompany.com), and this is
mandatory in my setup.

I know there is some patches that enables that functionality, but they
are quite old and doesn't work well in actual versions of Mailman.

I need a web management interface, so the managers of each list can do
all the tasks they need. Email interface is OK, but since the users
are not exactly technical experts, a web interface is better. And a
Brazilian Portuguese translation is another plus.

On Postfix add-ons page I could see some, but I never heard about them
(besides majordomo and Mailman).

Thanks in advance,

Mauro




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