PB1400 won't shutdown

[Arne Christiansen]

Hi, 
My 1400 running 9.1 won't shutdown using either the shutdown command or by 
resetting,
 it just restarts, does anyone have any ideas. 
Thanks,
Arne

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 7/25/2004 5:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>>Howdy,
>>
>>I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
>>8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?
>>
>>TIA,
>>Ken N.
>>
>_
__
>
>We had a discussion on the PCI Macs list about DVD drives  One lister 
>said he did get one to work with a lot of labor and thought.
>
>If this is difficult on an upgraded PCI Legacy Mac it must be 
>downright envelope busting on a 1400.
>
>I will follow this with great interest. I have a 1400 myself.

Hi,

I have a 1400 that I was going to attempt to make work with a DVD drive. I 
decided a few days ago to try to make a 1400c/ G3 400mhz work w/ a DVD-R drive 
in the expansion bay. 

I have a 1400 Sonnet G3/400 that a relative was using, but they have moved up 
to a Wallstreet. Then a few months ago, I bought a 3rd party CD-R/DVD-R 
slot-loading drive for my Lombard 400mhz. The seller had problems with the order, 
and to make up for the mishap I was sent two. I put one of the drives in a 
cd-rom carrier for the Lombard, and it works just fine...

So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.

Getting the DVD drive itself to fit inside the Cd-rom carrier from a 12x (the 
only one U can use, from what I have read!) should not be a problem. However, 
one source stated that the fastest processor possible should probably be 
used; a G3 for certain. A G2 probably will not be fast enough to deal with a DVD, 
so I have been told...


Craig W.
Atlanta, GA
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[dprice145]

My son's friend is headed to college and is asking recommendations for a laptop to 
both do word processing and play video/music. Is Quicktime a possible alternative for 
this young man? I was thinking about recommending a 190 or 280c since I have either 
one that I could donate to him. but would a 540 or 1400 be a better choice? Thank you 
for the help.



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Re: College laptop recommendation

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jul 26, 2004, at 10:34 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My son's friend is headed to college and is asking recommendations for 
a laptop to both do word processing and play video/music. Is Quicktime 
a possible alternative for this young man? I was thinking about 
recommending a 190 or 280c since I have either one that I could donate 
to him. but would a 540 or 1400 be a better choice? Thank you for the 
help.
Oh jeez, none of the above! All are way too underpowered for what he 
really wants, I'll wager.

Look for something with a G3 native in it at the *very* least, and 
*definitely* the ability to do either ethernet or wireless networking.

Many colleges offer both, and you *really* want this. More and more 
colleges are also moving huge amounts of daily functions to the web, 
for which you need modern, reliable browsers.

Lombards, Pismos, and even early iBooks and TiBooks have come down 
dramatically in price. iBooks are damned cheap new even, and all will 
run OS X and iTunes. I've seen Wallstreets in the LEM swap list for < 
$200.

I mean, for $750 he can get a refurbed 'new' G4 iBook from Apple...a 
computer that will last him a few years, instead of something that 
cannot deal with files from other students, professors and classes, or 
won't play music well, or won't play video very well, doesn't have any 
new software, won't run any new software, etc, etc.
I love my 540c, it's a great little notebook for what it does, but no 
way at all would I tolerate it being my only computer.

I know you want to be nice, but saddling people with antique, 
underpowered Macs unable to connect easily to the college network is 
the surest way to drive them into the arms of PC-dom. Then they'll 
proceed on to have a virus-ridden spyware-loaded, craptacular computing 
experience like all the other people stuck with PC's, because 'that's 
what everyboy else has...'

--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pha rmacy
Information Technology Group
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

[Fluxstringer]

In a message dated 7/25/2004 5:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Howdy,
I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?
TIA,
Ken N.
_
__
We had a discussion on the PCI Macs list about DVD drives  One lister
said he did get one to work with a lot of labor and thought.
If this is difficult on an upgraded PCI Legacy Mac it must be
downright envelope busting on a 1400.
I will follow this with great interest. I have a 1400 myself.
Hi,
I have a 1400 that I was going to attempt to make work with a DVD drive. I
decided a few days ago to try to make a 1400c/ G3 400mhz work w/ a DVD-R drive
in the expansion bay.
I have a 1400 Sonnet G3/400 that a relative was using, but they have moved up
to a Wallstreet. Then a few months ago, I bought a 3rd party CD-R/DVD-R
slot-loading drive for my Lombard 400mhz. The seller had problems
with the order,
and to make up for the mishap I was sent two. I put one of the drives in a
cd-rom carrier for the Lombard, and it works just fine...
So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.
Getting the DVD drive itself to fit inside the Cd-rom carrier from a 12x (the
only one U can use, from what I have read!) should not be a problem. However,
one source stated that the fastest processor possible should probably be
used; a G3 for certain. A G2 probably will not be fast enough to
deal with a DVD,
so I have been told...
Craig W.
Atlanta, GA
Power corrupts. Absolute power's a blast. -- John Fund
--
•  •••   ••
   •
I hope it works for you Craig.
Last week we had a thread about USB 2 and Firewire on 1400s . It was
said the narrow bandwidth of the cardbus would support neither.
Will the port for the disk drives support a DVD ?  That is the big question.
If you used an external SCSI drive would the 1400 port support  DVD
bandwidth and speed requirements?
What alternatives are left?
Even a fast processor cannot overcome a severe bottleneck.
--
Adrian
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Re: College laptop recommendation

[Fluxstringer]

On Jul 26, 2004, at 10:34 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My son's friend is headed to college and is asking recommendations 
for a laptop to both do word processing and play video/music. Is 
Quicktime a possible alternative for this young man? I was thinking 
about recommending a 190 or 280c since I have either one that I 
could donate to him. but would a 540 or 1400 be a better choice? 
Thank you for the help.
Oh jeez, none of the above! All are way too underpowered for what he 
really wants, I'll wager.

Look for something with a G3 native in it at the *very* least, and 
*definitely* the ability to do either ethernet or wireless 
networking.

Many colleges offer both, and you *really* want this. More and more 
colleges are also moving huge amounts of daily functions to the web, 
for which you need modern, reliable browsers.

Lombards, Pismos, and even early iBooks and TiBooks have come down 
dramatically in price. iBooks are damned cheap new even, and all 
will run OS X and iTunes. I've seen Wallstreets in the LEM swap list 
for < $200.

I mean, for $750 he can get a refurbed 'new' G4 iBook from Apple...a 
computer that will last him a few years, instead of something that 
cannot deal with files from other students, professors and classes, 
or won't play music well, or won't play video very well, doesn't 
have any new software, won't run any new software, etc, etc.
I love my 540c, it's a great little notebook for what it does, but 
no way at all would I tolerate it being my only computer.

I know you want to be nice, but saddling people with antique, 
underpowered Macs unable to connect easily to the college network is 
the surest way to drive them into the arms of PC-dom. Then they'll 
proceed on to have a virus-ridden spyware-loaded, craptacular 
computing experience like all the other people stuck with PC's, 
because 'that's what everyboy else has...'

--
Bruce Johnson
University of Arizona
College of Pha rmacy
Information Technology Group
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs
_
If $ 750 is out of the question a $ 50 1400 will do word processing 
and run an early version of iTunes  just fine.

And there have been some early G3 machines on the swap list lately 
for under $ 300.00



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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

[COCCORP]

In a message dated 7/26/2004 4:37:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I hope it works for you Craig.
>
>Last week we had a thread about USB 2 and Firewire on 1400s . It was 
>said the narrow bandwidth of the cardbus would support neither.

Was it the bandwidth, or the fact that Nubus mobos are so different from PCI 
mobos? Admittedly I am a super-novice when it comes to the more technical 
stuff, but I thought the point was that since cardbus was made for PCI, and nubus 
was around long before PCMCIAs or Cardbus, that cardbus could ONLY work on a 
Nubus mobo if the requisite adapter was made and/or someone made a 16-bit 
Cardbus card, and no one (allegedly) did?

>Will the port for the disk drives support a DVD ?  That is the big question.
>If you used an external SCSI drive would the 1400 port support  DVD 
>bandwidth and speed requirements?
>
>What alternatives are left?
>
>Even a fast processor cannot overcome a severe bottleneck.

I believe the concessus (on the website I found) was that the 1400 should be 
able to support a CD-R, and even a DVD-R, like with my drive. I *think* I 
remember reading that someone out there was successful with the mod...

As long as you have a 12x Cd-rom module, with its connecting board from the 
drive to the rear of the module, several 3rd party CD-roms, CD-r, DVD-rom and 
DVD-Rs can AT LEAST FIT inside the module. I know this, because I did a 24x 
CD-rom mod for my 1400 awhile back using instructions online.

But anyway, while putting it in the module should not be a problem, or using 
it as a CD-rom/CD-R/DVD-Rom has been claimed to have been done, *watching* a 
DVD movie may be the real problem.

1st of all, I do not even know if the DVD card (from Wallstreets and 
Lombards) will work in the 1400. It is cardbus or PCMCIA?

Secondly, I read about a mod that worked w/ a DVD drive in a 1400, but the 
picture when showing a movie was s-l-o-w and jerky... BUT the user only had a 
183mhz PPC upgraded 1400. I have a 400mhz processor...

Craig W.
Atlanta, GA
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:12:03 EDT
> Subject: Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

> So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.

Please let us know how you fare with that.

Thanks,
Ken N.


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Re: College laptop recommendation

[Bigbikerbo]

Bare minimum, buy a 3400c.. You can get them for $150, and they're great for 
older word process app's, plus they'll do CDROM and airport quite fine, are 
much more powerful than a 1400, and can take 144mb RAM!

Or, get a G3 wallstreet--should be well set up for $400 It'll do most 
anything a student NEEDS too do (besides study)..

Tom



In a message dated 7/26/04 4:42:19 PM, you wrote:

>_
>
>If $ 750 is out of the question a $ 50 1400 will do word processing 
>and run an early version of iTunes  just fine.
>
>And there have been some early G3 machines on the swap list lately 
>for under $ 300.00
>

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

[KG]

>>Was it the bandwidth, or the fact that Nubus mobos are so different from
PCI
>>mobos? Admittedly I am a super-novice when it comes to the more technical
>>stuff, but I thought the point was that since cardbus was made for PCI,
and nubus
>>was around long before PCMCIAs or Cardbus, that cardbus could ONLY work on
a
>>Nubus mobo if the requisite adapter was made and/or someone made a 16-bit
>>Cardbus card, and no one (allegedly) did?

You would need a CardBus controller designed to operate on the NuBus
architecture, and no one created such an animal. Doing so wasn't
cost-effective because by the time CardBus came into vogue, Apple had
already embraced PCI in the 2400 and 3400. The only possible application for
a NuBus CardBus controller chip would have been in the 1400. It could have
been done, since the NuBus is actually a 32-bit bus (the first 32-bit
expansion bus ever used, in fact), but by 1996, the NuBus was on its way
out.

There's no such thing as a 16-bit CardBus card, that is impossible. CardBus
is a 32-bit protocol all the way. 16-bit PCMCIA cards are just 16-bit PCMCIA
cards, never CardBus, although CardBus controllers are backward-compatible
with them.

>>I believe the concessus (on the website I found) was that the 1400 should
be
>>able to support a CD-R, and even a DVD-R, like with my drive.
>>1st of all, I do not even know if the DVD card (from Wallstreets and
>>Lombards) will work in the 1400. It is cardbus or PCMCIA?

WallStreet and Lombard DVD cards are CardBus and will not work in a 1400.
I'm not even sure they work in a Kanga hacked for CardBus support.

>>Secondly, I read about a mod that worked w/ a DVD drive in a 1400, but the
>>picture when showing a movie was s-l-o-w and jerky... BUT the user only
had a
>>183mhz PPC upgraded 1400. I have a 400mhz processor...

A G3-400 should be able to play the DVD in a 1400 if you can get it working,
but I would be willing to bet it won't be perfect. Between the RAM
limitation, the 32-bit memory bus and the 33 MHz processor bus, you have a
lot of bottlenecks there and all of them will show up in DVD playback.
That's why even the 466 MHz G3 for the 1400 can't stay with a much slower
Lombard most of the time.

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