Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[Jared]

The only thing I experienced with the card in at startup is that the 
machine doesn't recognize the card.
It's been said by others that there are software "issues" with these 
cards, things like crashes if you try to start or shutdown with the 
card in place.

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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[Clark Martin]

At 3:38 AM -0400 4/14/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >Don't Kanga's have SCSI onboard, and the ability to use USB2 or FireWire
PC-Cards..?
If you modify the card cage, then the Kanga will physically accept a
PCMCIA card, which is a prereqisite for accepting a USB or Firewire card.
The Kanga will take PCMCIA (AKA PC Card) cards already.  It can be 
modified to take CardBUS cards such as USB and Firewire cards.  It's 
been said by others that there are software "issues" with these 
cards, things like crashes if you try to start or shutdown with the 
card in place.
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Re: IOMagic external USB 2.0 CDRW

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 14, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Robert Gruber wrote:
On IOMagic's web site they have drivers for this for
windows; is this possibly compatible with Mac, OS9 or
X?
Is the lack of Mac drivers sufficient indication of incompatibility?
Some USB 2.0 devices won't work at USB 1.1 speeds, so if you don't have 
a USB 2.0 port and at least 10.2 it won't work. Some will. The specs 
should say. Be aware, though at USB 1.1 speeds, you're looking at 2X 
speed from the drive.

Otherwise, it depends on the the actual drive in the case, some 
mechanisms are supported and some aren't. Toast supports a lot of 
drives, if you can test it with that program it's worth a shot.

You're far more likely to have OS X support than OS 9.
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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[ACFX44501]

>> So, "zoomed video support" of the 3400 and 3500 (Kanga) implicitly means
>> that the wallstreet DVD decoder card also works in those machines?
>
>Yes, IIRC, the DVD decoder card needs to be installed in the bottom slot,
>because that is the Zoomed Video slot (on both the Wallstreet and the
>3400/Kanga).
>
>Again, don't take my word (or rather: hunch) for it, since I own neither a
>Wallstreet, nor a 3400 or Kanga, nor the DVD decoder card, but judging
>merely by specs, this should, theoretically, work. The DVD decoder card
>takes the brunt of the number-crunching required to play DVD's, so the
>Kanga's relatively slow CPU and bus shouldn't matter for DVD playback.
>
>It'd be mighty interesting to try out. Anyone happen to own a Kanga,
>external DVD player that can connect to it, and the decoder card?

I have a Cardbus-modified Kanga, a Wallstreet DVD decoder card, and a 
SCSI DVD player, and I'll check it out.

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Re: technical stuff

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>So I would like to study the feasibility to set up a list for 
>technical topics regardless the pre/post G3 issue. Someting like 
>"powertech" or similar.

Reasonable, as some components, and some repair techniques are common 
between pre-G3 (i.e., pre-3500 and earlier) PBs, and later (i.e., 3500 
and later) PBs.

There's even considerable commonality between certain 68K and PPC PBs.

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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2005-04-14 21:31, Gene Osburn wrote:

> Joost van de Griek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to quibble with...
> 
>> The 2400c is an intriguing possibility, but not if you're budget-minded.
>> It's Apple's smallest and lightest laptop ever, mainly because it has
>> no internal drives at all.
> 
> No, that was the Duo.
> --
> 
> You're half-right.  The 210-250 Duo's were .2 pounds lighter than the
> 2400, the 270-280's .4 pounds heavier.  In a blindfold test I'd be hard
> pressed to tell which PB was .2 pounds lighter...perhaps your senses are
> more finely tuned...?

No, I just know where to find the AppleSpec Database:



These are Apple's smallest and lightest notebooks:

PowerBook G4 12": 1.18" x 10.9" x 8.6" (= 110.6132 ci); 4.6 lbs.
PowerBook Duo: 1.9" x 10.9" x 8.5" (= 129.71 ci); 4.2 lbs.
iBook dual USB 12": 1.35" x 11.2" x 9.06" (= 136.9872 ci); 4.9 lbs.
PowerBook 100: 1.8" x 11" x 8.5" (= 168.3 ci); 5.1 lbs.
PowerBook 2400: 1.9" x 10.5" x 10.5" (= 209.475 ci); 4.4 lbs.

And it looks like I was wrong, too. The 12" PowerBook is actually the
smallest notebook Apple ever made! (Although not the lightest: that is still
the duo.)

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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[Joost van de Griek]

On 2005-04-14 10:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> Also, the lower slot of the Kanga is not wired for a DVD decoder card,
>>> which the Wallstreet is.
>> 
>> You mean zoomed video support. Both the 3400 and the Kanga have that.
> 
> So, "zoomed video support" of the 3400 and 3500 (Kanga) implicitly means
> that the wallstreet DVD decoder card also works in those machines?

Yes, IIRC, the DVD decoder card needs to be installed in the bottom slot,
because that is the Zoomed Video slot (on both the Wallstreet and the
3400/Kanga).

Again, don't take my word (or rather: hunch) for it, since I own neither a
Wallstreet, nor a 3400 or Kanga, nor the DVD decoder card, but judging
merely by specs, this should, theoretically, work. The DVD decoder card
takes the brunt of the number-crunching required to play DVD's, so the
Kanga's relatively slow CPU and bus shouldn't matter for DVD playback.

It'd be mighty interesting to try out. Anyone happen to own a Kanga,
external DVD player that can connect to it, and the decoder card?

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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[Gene Osburn]

Joost van de Griek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to quibble with...
The 2400c is an intriguing possibility, but not if you're budget-minded. 
It's Apple's smallest and lightest laptop ever, mainly because it has 
no internal drives at all.
No, that was the Duo.
--
You're half-right.  The 210-250 Duo's were .2 pounds lighter than the 
2400, the 270-280's .4 pounds heavier.  In a blindfold test I'd be hard 
pressed to tell which PB was .2 pounds lighter...perhaps your senses are 
more finely tuned...?

Pax,
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Re: can newer iBook run older OS?

[Howard R. Katz]

Then what G4 users need is an emulator program that'll run OS 9 and 
emulate all it's functions including AppleTalk.  (Hey if we can have an 
Apple IIGS emulator under OS9, then why not this one?  (And I wonder if an 
emulator could run under an emulator?  :) )

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Re: IOMagic external USB 2.0 CDRW

[John Ruschmeyer]

On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 11:58 -0700, Robert Gruber wrote:
> On IOMagic's web site they have drivers for this for
> windows; is this possibly compatible with Mac, OS9 or
> X?
> Is the lack of Mac drivers sufficient indication of incompatibility?

Not necessarily, as the answer actually has two parts: 1) Will the Mac
see the CD-RW and 2) Can you actually use it to write to disks?

Since the drive is USB 2.0, we can assume that it is a standard USB mass
storage device. As a result, MacOS 8.6 and later should recognize the
attached drive.

The answer to the second question depends on what drive mechanism/model
is actually being used. It may be directly supported or may require
patched/custom drive profiles (i.e. PatchBurn under OS X).

<<>>


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IOMagic external USB 2.0 CDRW

[Robert Gruber]

On IOMagic's web site they have drivers for this for
windows; is this possibly compatible with Mac, OS9 or
X?
Is the lack of Mac drivers sufficient indication of incompatibility?



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can newer iBook run older OS?

[Ge']

Dear Martin,
I checked at the Everymac site, and it says that all G3 ibooks can run 
a version of OS 9, with the newest being 9.2.2; all the G4 ibooks run 
only OS X versions. Here's the list page (sorted by processor speed):
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/
You click on the model you have, then look in the table for 'supported 
Mac OS'

About updating, or actually 'downdating' firmware I don't know. If you 
post your exact model, I'm sure other members can advise you whether you 
need OS 9, or if OS X will run fast enough.

Greetings,
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another list

[Donna Hood Pointer]

Please, NOT another list. 

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Re: technical stuff

[Fluxstringer]

Another suggestion, and one that is used in an antique computer list 
I am also on, is to break the whole group up into a 'talk' list and 
a 'tech' list. The tech list would be scrutinized closely while the 
talk list wouldn't. The group would soon get a sense of what's 
on-topic in the talk list and the tech list would have a very 
precise on-topic set of rules. Everyone would get the tech stuff but 
the talk part would only go to those who signed up separately. Might 
work well in the G3 list but this powerbook list seems fine as it is.


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Re: technical stuff / most technical ?

[Fluxstringer]

 I find the powerbook list the most 'technical'

The PCI list is far more involved.
IMHO of course
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Re: technical stuff

[Brian Mahoney]

Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:
I use either this list and the G-book one.
I have noted that users of the G-book list seem less interested in 
technical topics. I mean technical with the need to take a part the Mac.

So most of the question about LCD replacement or similar issues have 
no reply, on the other hand these questions cannot be posted here if 
related to pre G3 stuff (with the exception of the Kanga, that, 
indeed, as we have already agreed, is a souped up 3400c)

So I would like to study the feasibility to set up a list for 
technical topics regardless the pre/post G3 issue. Someting like 
"powertech" or similar.

What do you think?
Ben
I subscribe to both also, plus a few other, smaller lowend lists. I find 
the powerbook list the most 'technical' and certainly the most helpful 
also. The G3, and this may be a fault of the nanny or the collective 
mind, is less forgiving and less tolerant. At times it seems to be more 
of an OS X list.

While I still haven't figured out what is the not-on-topic powerbook 
model cutoff point, I like the feeling and sense of family in this 
group. But then I have a 3400c collection and until I get a newer model, 
I guess I don't have to worry about what's off topic, yet! If it's the 
same crew as populate this list, though, I'd sign on in a flash.

Another suggestion, and one that is used in an antique computer list I 
am also on, is to break the whole group up into a 'talk' list and a 
'tech' list. The tech list would be scrutinized closely while the talk 
list wouldn't. The group would soon get a sense of what's on-topic in 
the talk list and the tech list would have a very precise on-topic set 
of rules. Everyone would get the tech stuff but the talk part would only 
go to those who signed up separately. Might work well in the G3 list but 
this powerbook list seems fine as it is.

2 cents.
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Re: technical stuff

[Erich Zechar]

I have noted that users of the G-book list seem less interested in 
technical topics. I mean technical with the need to take a part the 
Mac.

So most of the question about LCD replacement or similar issues have 
no reply, on the other hand these questions cannot be posted here if 
related to pre G3 stuff (with the exception of the Kanga, that, 
indeed, as we have already agreed, is a souped up 3400c)

So I would like to study the feasibility to set up a list for 
technical topics regardless the pre/post G3 issue. Someting like 
"powertech" or similar.

I would say that it sounds like a great idea, but if the technical 
questions do not get answered on that list, and I'm sure there are a 
lot of members, I don't know how likely you would be to get any 
technical questions answered on a new list. It's hard to get tech 
support when there isn't anybody out there capable or willing to give 
it.

Also, I don't have experience with G3+ 'books, but aren't they a lot 
harder to take apart? I always hear complaints about that on G4 'books 
- thousands of tiny Torx screws. Most of my 520c can be taken apart 
with 5-15 screws. That may be something that hinders technical help 
from other users.

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technical stuff

[Beniamino Cenci Goga]

I use either this list and the G-book one.
I have noted that users of the G-book list seem less interested in 
technical topics. I mean technical with the need to take a part the 
Mac.

So most of the question about LCD replacement or similar issues have 
no reply, on the other hand these questions cannot be posted here if 
related to pre G3 stuff (with the exception of the Kanga, that, 
indeed, as we have already agreed, is a souped up 3400c)

So I would like to study the feasibility to set up a list for 
technical topics regardless the pre/post G3 issue. Someting like 
"powertech" or similar.

What do you think?
Ben
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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

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>> Also, the lower slot of the Kanga is not wired for a DVD decoder card,
>> which the Wallstreet is.
>
>You mean zoomed video support. Both the 3400 and the Kanga have that.

So, "zoomed video support" of the 3400 and 3500 (Kanga) implicitly means 
that the wallstreet DVD decoder card also works in those machines?

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Re: should I get a G3 Kanga, 1400 or 2400?

[ACFX44501]

>Don't Kanga's have SCSI onboard, and the ability to use USB2 or FireWire
>PC-Cards..?

If you modify the card cage, then the Kanga will physically accept a 
PCMCIA card, which is a prereqisite for accepting a USB or Firewire card.

I have had no luck with el cheapo Firewire cards, but the IBM one works 
fine.

Trouble is, the IBM one uses a dongle for each of the two connections.

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