Test Was: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-09-02 Thread Robert Gray
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Test Was: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-09-02 Thread Robert Gray
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Test Was: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-31 Thread Robert Gray
At 08:27 -0500 on 08/09/04, R.A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know I found a page with info on this machine
 Can someone...point me to that page.
Here's a good place to start:
  http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/seagate/536/pb500.html
Lots of good stuff at that site.
You may also want to download this Apple document:
  ftp://olympus.wwc.edu/pub/faculty/frohro/powerbook_500_series.pdf
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-27 Thread Robert Gray

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-27 Thread R. A. Cantrell
On 8/27/04 9:42 AM, Robert Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
Did you mean to send me an E-mail?

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-25 Thread Clark Martin
At 8:20 PM -0500 8/24/04, R. A. Cantrell wrote:
on 8/11/04 7:59 AM, gf sciacca at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Are you sure COPR (Command-Option-P-R) is the Power Reset?  It's the
 standard PRAM reset on pretty much all Macs.  But Power Manager Reset
 is usually a separate key sequence.
 Power Manager reset for Powerbook 500 series:
 1) remove the AC adapter and battery
 2) let it rest for 3-5 minutes
 3) hold down Control-Command-Option and Power On keys for 5-10 seconds
 4) reinstall battery, reconnect AC adapter
 5) restart
 cheers, gianfranco
I am still a little confused on this. If I boot the machine with the
batteries and power supply both in, boots fine. If I remove the power supply
and either restart or shut down and boot up from the batteries, boots fine.
If I remove the batteries and the re-insert them with the power supply
disconnected, the machine will not boot off the batteries, but must have the
power supply re-connected to boot up if both batteries and the power supply
have been disconnected at the same time. How can you get the machine to boot
off the batteries without using the power supply if the batteries have been
removed and re-inserted? I would have though the Power re-set above would do
it, but the last step there is reconnect the ps. 
The point of the Power Manager reset is to fix the problem, hopefully 
through all succeeding shut downs.  Odds are if it doesn't the PRAM 
battery is flat.  One thing to try is to put the batteries in and 
wait some time (1, 10, 60 minutes, I don't know for sure).  This will 
give the PRAM battery a chance to charge up off the main battery even 
if it's more or less dead.  I'm not sure about this on the PB5X0 
series.  I have two 540s with two dead main batteries and two that 
will almost run the laptop long enough to start it up so I have only 
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-24 Thread R. A. Cantrell
on 8/11/04 7:59 AM, gf sciacca at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Are you sure COPR (Command-Option-P-R) is the Power Reset?  It's the
 standard PRAM reset on pretty much all Macs.  But Power Manager Reset
 is usually a separate key sequence.
 
 Power Manager reset for Powerbook 500 series:
 1) remove the AC adapter and battery
 2) let it rest for 3-5 minutes
 3) hold down Control-Command-Option and Power On keys for 5-10 seconds
 4) reinstall battery, reconnect AC adapter
 5) restart
 
 cheers, gianfranco

I am still a little confused on this. If I boot the machine with the
batteries and power supply both in, boots fine. If I remove the power supply
and either restart or shut down and boot up from the batteries, boots fine.
If I remove the batteries and the re-insert them with the power supply
disconnected, the machine will not boot off the batteries, but must have the
power supply re-connected to boot up if both batteries and the power supply
have been disconnected at the same time. How can you get the machine to boot
off the batteries without using the power supply if the batteries have been
removed and re-inserted? I would have though the Power re-set above would do
it, but the last step there is reconnect the ps. 
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-13 Thread Dan K
Robert Gray, rgray at chesapeake dot net is having a posting problem and 
asked me:

Would you do me a favor and post the message below just as it's 
written?  Copy and paste.  I've tried to post it over 12 times in the 
past three days and it keeps being reject with the common comment,

  579 message content is not acceptable here
   554 5.5.0 Remote protocol error

I'm posting for him the message following this one.

Dan K

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-12 Thread Dan K
Mattox, Thoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
The PPC cards created for the Blackbird were made by 2
companies...Sonnetts (sold as an Apple upgrade) and Newer Technologies.
Both companies used the PPC 603e processors.  Sonnetts ran around 117mhz
with 8mb ram and Newer had at least 2 different upgrades.  One ran at
167mhz with 8mb ram and the other ran at 182mhz with L2 Cache and 25 mb
ram (I think).

I've never before heard that the Apple PPC upgrade was made by Sonnet. My 
understanding is that Newer made all the PPC upgrades, including the 
100mHz Apple-branded item, as well as the Newer branded 117, 133, 167 and 
183 upgrades.

The Apple item includes 8MB of ram on the upgrade card. The 117, 133 and 
167 upgrades were available with on-card ram in quatities of 0MB, 4MB and 
8MB. AFAIK the 183 (a much different design than the earlier models BTW) 
never shipped with the promised 24MB on-card ram. There may be a few 
183/24MB dev units out in the world, but apparently some technical 
difficulty and/or parts shortages precluded actual shipping product 
before all PB500 upgrade production ended.

All PB500 PPC upgrades speeds are hardware set, any ASP-reported 
discrepancies between an upgrades reported speed and its actual speed are 
the result of ASP's inability to deal with non-standard hardware. The 183 
upgrade _does_ need the init to enable its cache, however it still runs 
at 183 even if the init isn't present. An additional _major_ function of 
the init was to ensure ASP correctly reported the upgrade's speed. Before 
the init was released, customers were complaining in droves that ASP was 
reporting wrong processor speeds (usually low!) A utility like Newer's 
Gauge PRO will correctly report the processor speed even when ASP will 
not.

BTW, here's my page on running OSes 8.5/6/9.1 on PPC upgraded Blackbirds:
http://members.aol.com/dankephoto/ppc_upgrade/

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread Clark Martin
At 11:51 PM -0500 8/9/04, Richard Adams wrote:
Hey, RA!
I looked up the Power Reset thing (it also resets the PRAM) - it is 
Command - Option - P - R. Good luck finding out about the 
PPC/Blackbird!

Are you sure COPR (Command-Option-P-R) is the Power Reset?  It's the 
standard PRAM reset on pretty much all Macs.  But Power Manager Reset 
is usually a separate key sequence.

Ciao!
Richard
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To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Blackbird 520PPC
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:27:16 -0500
Bookies,
I know I found a page with info on this machine but I lost it.
The machine is a 520 Blackbird form factor but is the Apple PPC 603/100
model with PowerPC in the space on the screen case where you would
normally see 520c. Can some one better at Googling point me to that page
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread Mattox, Thoma
The PPC cards created for the Blackbird were made by 2
companies...Sonnetts (sold as an Apple upgrade) and Newer Technologies.
Both companies used the PPC 603e processors.  Sonnetts ran around 117mhz
with 8mb ram and Newer had at least 2 different upgrades.  One ran at
167mhz with 8mb ram and the other ran at 182mhz with L2 Cache and 25 mb
ram (I think).  

Regarding resetting the power manager...
Unplug and remove batteries and let sit for 5-10 minutes.  Hold down
(simultaneously) the command, option, control and power on buttons for
15-20 seconds. 

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread Malcolm Cornelius
on 11/08/04 15:57, Mattox, Thoma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The PPC cards created for the Blackbird were made by 2
 companies...Sonnetts (sold as an Apple upgrade) and Newer Technologies.
 Both companies used the PPC 603e processors.  Sonnetts ran around 117mhz
 with 8mb ram and Newer had at least 2 different upgrades.  One ran at
 167mhz with 8mb ram and the other ran at 182mhz with L2 Cache and 25 mb
 ram (I think).  
 

I thought there was a 100 as well

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread Howard R. Katz
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:

 
 I thought there was a 100 as well

There was, but not by a third-party manufacturer that I've found info on.  
Apple made a 100 mhz upgrade card--and one is residing in my PPC'd 520c 
right now.  :)


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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread ACFX44501

Apple made a 100 mhz upgrade card--and one is residing in my PPC'd 520c 
right now.


The Apple upgrade is 100 MHz (three times the 33.... MHz bus speed).

The third-party upgrades used different multipliers: 3.5X gave you 116.67 
MHz, 4X gave you 133.33 MHz, and 5.5X gave you 183.33 MHz. There may have 
been a 5X at 166.67 MHz, too.

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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 8/11/2004 1:07:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 The third-party upgrades used different multipliers: 3.5X gave you 116.67 
  MHz, 4X gave you 133.33 MHz, and 5.5X gave you 183.33 MHz. There may have 
  been a 5X at 166.67 MHz, too.

Yep... there was a 167mhz Newer. They also made the aforementioned 183mhz 
processor (which I have in my 550c). Mine does not have the 24mb RAM added that 
replaces the internal modem module; I have never seen one with the extra RAM, 
in fact.

The 183mhz Newer has an L2 cache (at 128mb, I think) but it requires a 
control panel to activiate it. Without it, the processor runs (according to Sonnet's 
Metronome utility) at 167mhz. So yes, I guess they are really the same 
processor; the 167mhz processor is just minus the L2.

But there was also the 100mhz, 117mhz and the 133mhz processor upgrades for 
the 500-series...


Craig W.
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-11 Thread Richard Adams
I'm not sure at all, Clark, but this is what I read in one of my Mac books. 
I don't recall seeing anything separate/different, but just 'cuz I don't 
know about it, sure don't mean that it doesn't exist.

Ciao!
Richard
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Subject: Re: Blackbird 520PPC
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:19:47 -0700
At 11:51 PM -0500 8/9/04, Richard Adams wrote:
Hey, RA!
I looked up the Power Reset thing (it also resets the PRAM) - it is 
Command - Option - P - R. Good luck finding out about the PPC/Blackbird!

Are you sure COPR (Command-Option-P-R) is the Power Reset?  It's the 
standard PRAM reset on pretty much all Macs.  But Power Manager Reset is 
usually a separate key sequence.

Ciao!
Richard
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To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Blackbird 520PPC
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:27:16 -0500
Bookies,
I know I found a page with info on this machine but I lost 
it.
The machine is a 520 Blackbird form factor but is the Apple PPC 603/100
model with PowerPC in the space on the screen case where you would
normally see 520c. Can some one better at Googling point me to that page
please?
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-10 Thread Gary F . Daught
From: R. A. Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: PowerBooks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Blackbird 520PPC
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:27:16 -0500
Bookies,
I know I found a page with info on this machine but I lost 
it.
The machine is a 520 Blackbird form factor but is the Apple PPC 
603/100
model with PowerPC in the space on the screen case where you would
normally see 520c. Can some one better at Googling point me to that 
page
please?
--
All the Best,

R.A. Cantrell
Greetings. A few years back I got to know a 520 real well inside and 
out! As a hobby I slowly upgraded it, first adding a gray-scale active 
matrix display from a 540, then putting in a larger hard drive, and 
then maxing-out the memory. The last thing I did was change-out the cpu 
with a PowerPC module. Yes, it was 100MHz. But wasn't it a 601? (Can't 
remember that part for sure.) Anyway, the fellow who sold me the PPC 
module also included the PowerPC screen label. If you look closely, you 
will notice that the label is flexible plastic and pops in and and is 
held in place with little tabs. The screen label came with the cpu 
upgrade module...it isn't otherwise a standard-built machine. Mystery 
solved!

Thanks for the memories. The Blackbird is one beautiful piece of 
industrial design! Heavy sucker, though...especially when you have two 
batteries inserted!

Gary
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Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-09 Thread R. A. Cantrell
Bookies,
I know I found a page with info on this machine but I lost it.
The machine is a 520 Blackbird form factor but is the Apple PPC 603/100
model with PowerPC in the space on the screen case where you would
normally see 520c. Can some one better at Googling point me to that page
please? 
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Re: Blackbird 520PPC

2004-08-09 Thread Richard Adams
Hey, RA!
I looked up the Power Reset thing (it also resets the PRAM) - it is Command 
- Option - P - R. Good luck finding out about the PPC/Blackbird!

Ciao!
Richard

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Subject: Blackbird 520PPC
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:27:16 -0500
Bookies,
I know I found a page with info on this machine but I lost it.
The machine is a 520 Blackbird form factor but is the Apple PPC 603/100
model with PowerPC in the space on the screen case where you would
normally see 520c. Can some one better at Googling point me to that page
please?
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R.A. Cantrell
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