Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-29 Thread Ken Norris (dialup)
Hi Craig

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 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:50:13 EDT
 Subject: Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

 What do we talk about NOW? Who saw a Powerbook Duo on last night's episode o=
 f=20
 Seinfeld?!?

FOF/LOL -- This is funny stuff :-D I think you're making the point.

See, there _was_ no last night's episode of Seinfeld. The show ended 6
years ago. I'm sure it's still in syndication somewhere on Canadian TV,
though. ;-)

I gave up on DVD for the 1400, though.

Ken N.


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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-29 Thread Fluxstringer
Hi Craig
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 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:50:13 EDT
 Subject: Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

 What do we talk about NOW? Who saw a Powerbook Duo on last night's 
episode o=
 f=20
 Seinfeld?!?
FOF/LOL -- This is funny stuff :-D I think you're making the point.
See, there _was_ no last night's episode of Seinfeld. The show ended 6
years ago. I'm sure it's still in syndication somewhere on Canadian TV,
though. ;-)
I gave up on DVD for the 1400, though.
Ken N.
___
On cable here in NE Ohio it seems to be on a dozen times a day.
And speaking as a 1400 owner you'll know I take no pleasure in saying 
 I told you so  in my first post on this thread.
The PCI list has had a lot of discussion on this for legacy Macs and 
DVD is very  iffy  for these very upgradeable machines.

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-29 Thread VidaVerde
Hey, with all this discussion of zoomed video, can someone help me out?
I've got an irez capsure zoomed video card off ebay, and a 3400/240. 
I was hoping to be able to watch ***full-screen*** video (domestic 
video player) via the zoomed card.

but if I make the picture bigger than about 3 inches square, it 
starts to break up.

is this normal? I thought the whole point of zoomed video was that 
even my lowly  3400 could display full-screen.

or do i have a faulty card?
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-28 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/28/2004 11:04:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

PS: Paging Craig W! Paging Craig W!

Please stop perpetuating the 16bit-USB-cards rumor!
Give it up already!

Please? Pretty please?!? Pretty pretty please?!? :-)

Yeah; I got your page

Here's the thing, Dan... I read somewhere that one was made. Maybe it wasn't; 
maybe I read it off of another e-mail list like this one, where someone ELSE 
was talking out the side of their neck... but so what? 

Where else would I discuss something like this, on the Vintage list? I mean, 
it's on topic, it is pertinent, and it is an answer to a question.

If it is a false-rumor, I am sure I am not the only person to give erronius 
information on this list...

They apparently never existed! Well at least no-one here has _ever_ 
actually seen one in person. 

Yeah, apparently...

Having never actually seen one in person does not really speak to their 
actual existence, does it? Many people had never seen a tablet-pc-style Powerbook 
until I found a few (the Freestyle Tablet PC, based on the Powerbook 
5300-series).

I never personally saw a VST Expansion Bay AC adapter for the 3400/Kanga, or 
a Powerbook 550c intil I recently acquired both. So since they did not exist 
before I saw+bought them, I guess I'm like the kid Billy Mumy played on the old 
Twilight Zone episode?

With the vast range of experience on this 
list, I consider it highly unlikely such a thing existed without being 
known to _someone_ here. In any case, even if they _did_ exist (which I 
doubt), they are today unobtainable and therefore maybe you might not 
want to continually tease folks in such a fashion.

 I am sure alot of things exist on this earth and beyond that none of us 
have ever seen. I am personally still looking for a Duo 230-based  Penlite 
tablet PC, a Newer G3 500-series peocessor, and a Vertegri ImediaEngine V7.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your co-operation!!! :-)

Okay. Done. I'll let go. It's over.



So



What do we talk about NOW? Who saw a Powerbook Duo on last night's episode of 
Seinfeld?!?

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz (now Macs on TV)

2004-07-28 Thread Jeff Hubatka
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:50:13 EDT
Subject: Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz
So
What do we talk about NOW? Who saw a Powerbook Duo on last night's 
episode of
Seinfeld?!?
Jerry had a Duo mounted in a dock for a couple of seasons. Prior to 
that he had a compact, I'd bet it was a SE/30 since that was top of the 
line. Later on he had a 20th Anniversary sitting there. I have only 
seen one episode where he was actually working on one, and that was an 
early show with the compact.
btw, I saw Independence Day again a couple weeks ago and was reminded 
about the 5300 saving the world. And Jamie Foxx was using a 17 
Powerbook on the ESPY awards show.

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-27 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/26/2004 11:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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There's no such thing as a 16-bit CardBus card, that is impossible. CardBus
is a 32-bit protocol all the way. 16-bit PCMCIA cards are just 16-bit PCMCIA
cards, never CardBus, although CardBus controllers are backward-compatible
with them.

When I stated earlier that someone alledgedly once made a 16-bit cardbus 
card, I meant a 16-bit USB card, specifically. Since all USB cards are cardbus... 
well, you see my mistake...

I guess it wasn't cardbus; I am obviously not too knowledgeable with the 
terminology. Anyway, like I said, I have never seen one; and I have been really 
looking.

WallStreet and Lombard DVD cards are CardBus and will not work in a 1400.
I'm not even sure they work in a Kanga hacked for CardBus support.

Well I guess THAT ends my little experiment!   :-D

Well, I will still be interested in knowing whether a 1400 can burn on a CD 
or DVD...

Craig W.
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-27 Thread ACFX44501

The USB cards are all Cardbus. No one made a NuBus-to-PCMCIA bridge 
chip which supported one of the available USB chips. It is the lack of a 
NuBus bridge chip which prevented the making of a 1400 (or other 
pre-2400 PB) compatible USB card.

The Wallstreet and Lombard DVD decoder card is designed to be used in the 
lower Cardbus slot, only. That slot can also accommodate a zoom video 
board, such as the iX3D Road Rocket, but these cards depend upon 
specific extensions to the Cardbus standard which are implemented on 
certain PBs (Wallstreet and Lombard, in particular) and may not be 
present on other Cardbus PBs (2400, 3400, 3500, etcetera).

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-27 Thread Andrew Kershaw
The Wallstreet and Lombard DVD decoder card is designed to be used in the
lower Cardbus slot, only. That slot can also accommodate a zoom video
board, such as the iX3D Road Rocket,
The Road Rocket is a Type III PCMCIA PC Card, not a zoomed video 
card.  Another good example of a zoomed video card is the iRez 
CapSure.  Lovely card, by the way... ;-)

 but these cards depend upon
specific extensions to the Cardbus standard which are implemented on
certain PBs (Wallstreet and Lombard, in particular) and may not be
present on other Cardbus PBs (2400, 3400, 3500, etcetera).
On the contrary, zoomed video cards have no relationship to CardBus 
(except co-existence, maybe).  The PowerBooks that support zoomed 
video are the 3400, 2400, Kanga, through Pismo.  Dunno about G4s.

ALL of them can use the Wallstreet/Lombard DVD decoder card 
(including the 2400c - see 
http://www.liethen.com/filia-ul-copt/dvd/index.html).  However, 
demuxing the MPEG2 stream will choke anything but a G3.  Certain 
extremely low bandwidth DVDs might work (maybe the kind you might 
pick up in a back alley?), but don't count on watching anything 
produced in Hollywood.

So, for the record, the DVD decoder card is a _ZOOMED_VIDEO_ card. 
Zoomed video cards are PCMCIA form factor, but they require zoomed 
video support.  ZOOMED VIDEO IS _NOT_ CARDBUS.  PowerBooks which 
support zoomed video include the 3400c, 2400c, and all G3 PowerBooks 
(Kanga included).

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-27 Thread Andrew Kershaw
The Road Rocket is a Type III PCMCIA PC Card, not a zoomed video 
card. Another good example of a zoomed video card is the iRez 
CapSure. Lovely card, by the way... ;-)
Oops!  My mistake - the Road Rocket is a Type III CardBus card, not 
PCMCIA.  It does take up two slots, though, so it can't be used on 
anything newer than a Wallstreet.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/PB_G3/rocket/
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-26 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/25/2004 5:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Howdy,

I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?

TIA,
Ken N.

_
__

We had a discussion on the PCI Macs list about DVD drives  One lister 
said he did get one to work with a lot of labor and thought.

If this is difficult on an upgraded PCI Legacy Mac it must be 
downright envelope busting on a 1400.

I will follow this with great interest. I have a 1400 myself.

Hi,

I have a 1400 that I was going to attempt to make work with a DVD drive. I 
decided a few days ago to try to make a 1400c/ G3 400mhz work w/ a DVD-R drive 
in the expansion bay. 

I have a 1400 Sonnet G3/400 that a relative was using, but they have moved up 
to a Wallstreet. Then a few months ago, I bought a 3rd party CD-R/DVD-R 
slot-loading drive for my Lombard 400mhz. The seller had problems with the order, 
and to make up for the mishap I was sent two. I put one of the drives in a 
cd-rom carrier for the Lombard, and it works just fine...

So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.

Getting the DVD drive itself to fit inside the Cd-rom carrier from a 12x (the 
only one U can use, from what I have read!) should not be a problem. However, 
one source stated that the fastest processor possible should probably be 
used; a G3 for certain. A G2 probably will not be fast enough to deal with a DVD, 
so I have been told...


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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-26 Thread Fluxstringer
In a message dated 7/25/2004 5:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Howdy,
I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?
TIA,
Ken N.
_
__
We had a discussion on the PCI Macs list about DVD drives  One lister
said he did get one to work with a lot of labor and thought.
If this is difficult on an upgraded PCI Legacy Mac it must be
downright envelope busting on a 1400.
I will follow this with great interest. I have a 1400 myself.
Hi,
I have a 1400 that I was going to attempt to make work with a DVD drive. I
decided a few days ago to try to make a 1400c/ G3 400mhz work w/ a DVD-R drive
in the expansion bay.
I have a 1400 Sonnet G3/400 that a relative was using, but they have moved up
to a Wallstreet. Then a few months ago, I bought a 3rd party CD-R/DVD-R
slot-loading drive for my Lombard 400mhz. The seller had problems
with the order,
and to make up for the mishap I was sent two. I put one of the drives in a
cd-rom carrier for the Lombard, and it works just fine...
So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.
Getting the DVD drive itself to fit inside the Cd-rom carrier from a 12x (the
only one U can use, from what I have read!) should not be a problem. However,
one source stated that the fastest processor possible should probably be
used; a G3 for certain. A G2 probably will not be fast enough to
deal with a DVD,
so I have been told...
Craig W.
Atlanta, GA
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I hope it works for you Craig.
Last week we had a thread about USB 2 and Firewire on 1400s . It was
said the narrow bandwidth of the cardbus would support neither.
Will the port for the disk drives support a DVD ?  That is the big question.
If you used an external SCSI drive would the 1400 port support  DVD
bandwidth and speed requirements?
What alternatives are left?
Even a fast processor cannot overcome a severe bottleneck.
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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-26 Thread COCCORP
In a message dated 7/26/2004 4:37:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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I hope it works for you Craig.

Last week we had a thread about USB 2 and Firewire on 1400s . It was 
said the narrow bandwidth of the cardbus would support neither.

Was it the bandwidth, or the fact that Nubus mobos are so different from PCI 
mobos? Admittedly I am a super-novice when it comes to the more technical 
stuff, but I thought the point was that since cardbus was made for PCI, and nubus 
was around long before PCMCIAs or Cardbus, that cardbus could ONLY work on a 
Nubus mobo if the requisite adapter was made and/or someone made a 16-bit 
Cardbus card, and no one (allegedly) did?

Will the port for the disk drives support a DVD ?  That is the big question.
If you used an external SCSI drive would the 1400 port support  DVD 
bandwidth and speed requirements?

What alternatives are left?

Even a fast processor cannot overcome a severe bottleneck.

I believe the concessus (on the website I found) was that the 1400 should be 
able to support a CD-R, and even a DVD-R, like with my drive. I *think* I 
remember reading that someone out there was successful with the mod...

As long as you have a 12x Cd-rom module, with its connecting board from the 
drive to the rear of the module, several 3rd party CD-roms, CD-r, DVD-rom and 
DVD-Rs can AT LEAST FIT inside the module. I know this, because I did a 24x 
CD-rom mod for my 1400 awhile back using instructions online.

But anyway, while putting it in the module should not be a problem, or using 
it as a CD-rom/CD-R/DVD-Rom has been claimed to have been done, *watching* a 
DVD movie may be the real problem.

1st of all, I do not even know if the DVD card (from Wallstreets and 
Lombards) will work in the 1400. It is cardbus or PCMCIA?

Secondly, I read about a mod that worked w/ a DVD drive in a 1400, but the 
picture when showing a movie was s-l-o-w and jerky... BUT the user only had a 
183mhz PPC upgraded 1400. I have a 400mhz processor...

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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-26 Thread Ken Norris (dialup)
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 So with the extra one, I am going to try to get it working in the 1400.

Please let us know how you fare with that.

Thanks,
Ken N.


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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-26 Thread KG
Was it the bandwidth, or the fact that Nubus mobos are so different from
PCI
mobos? Admittedly I am a super-novice when it comes to the more technical
stuff, but I thought the point was that since cardbus was made for PCI,
and nubus
was around long before PCMCIAs or Cardbus, that cardbus could ONLY work on
a
Nubus mobo if the requisite adapter was made and/or someone made a 16-bit
Cardbus card, and no one (allegedly) did?

You would need a CardBus controller designed to operate on the NuBus
architecture, and no one created such an animal. Doing so wasn't
cost-effective because by the time CardBus came into vogue, Apple had
already embraced PCI in the 2400 and 3400. The only possible application for
a NuBus CardBus controller chip would have been in the 1400. It could have
been done, since the NuBus is actually a 32-bit bus (the first 32-bit
expansion bus ever used, in fact), but by 1996, the NuBus was on its way
out.

There's no such thing as a 16-bit CardBus card, that is impossible. CardBus
is a 32-bit protocol all the way. 16-bit PCMCIA cards are just 16-bit PCMCIA
cards, never CardBus, although CardBus controllers are backward-compatible
with them.

I believe the concessus (on the website I found) was that the 1400 should
be
able to support a CD-R, and even a DVD-R, like with my drive.
1st of all, I do not even know if the DVD card (from Wallstreets and
Lombards) will work in the 1400. It is cardbus or PCMCIA?

WallStreet and Lombard DVD cards are CardBus and will not work in a 1400.
I'm not even sure they work in a Kanga hacked for CardBus support.

Secondly, I read about a mod that worked w/ a DVD drive in a 1400, but the
picture when showing a movie was s-l-o-w and jerky... BUT the user only
had a
183mhz PPC upgraded 1400. I have a 400mhz processor...

A G3-400 should be able to play the DVD in a 1400 if you can get it working,
but I would be willing to bet it won't be perfect. Between the RAM
limitation, the 32-bit memory bus and the 33 MHz processor bus, you have a
lot of bottlenecks there and all of them will show up in DVD playback.
That's why even the 466 MHz G3 for the 1400 can't stay with a much slower
Lombard most of the time.

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DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-25 Thread Ken Norris (dialup)
Howdy,

I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?

TIA,
Ken N.


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Re: DVD drive for stock PB 1400 133mhz

2004-07-25 Thread Fluxstringer
Howdy,
I have a 1400 I'd like to try a DVD drive with some driver software for OS
8.6. Is there anything available other than a SCSI DVD?
TIA,
Ken N.
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We had a discussion on the PCI Macs list about DVD drives  One lister 
said he did get one to work with a lot of labor and thought.

If this is difficult on an upgraded PCI Legacy Mac it must be 
downright envelope busting on a 1400.

I will follow this with great interest. I have a 1400 myself.
But I don't want to hear how it COULD be done. I want to hear from 
someone who has this setup  working on an everyday basis.

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