Re: Good source of used computers

[darm0k]

At 05:29 PM -0400 06/18/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Contrary to popular belief, decommissioned 'puters from LLNL, etcetera,
do NOT glow in the dark.


humph.  Well MY Mac *does* glow in the dark.

Oh wait - those are just Jazzie's eyes.

http://pcp02220027pcs.echryh01.nj.comcast.net/misc/jazziemac.jpg

:)

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Re: Good source of used computers

[ACFX44501]

>Berkeley's physics dept used eBay.  That's where I got my current 
>desktop machine, loaded.  Needed a lot of outside clean-up (dirt, 
>stickers), but it ran perfectly right out of the shipping box. 
>There's something ultra cool about knowing that your computer's 
>previous life was in a grid used to simulate nuclear explosions and 
>such.

That's what the IBM superscaler machine at Lawrence Livermore does ... 
simulate nuclear explosions.

If you look up the LLNL web site, you will find that LLNL has lots of 
software available which can simulate all kinds of things.

The nuclear stuff is not available, of course, but LLNL has a very good 
simulator for chemical explosives.

They will freely license it to folks who have legitimate uses, such as 
fireworks manufacturers.

Casual makers of ANFO (ammonium nitrate-fuel oil) explosives, such as 
terrorists, need not apply ... unless, of course, you can prove you are a 
legitimate user of same, as was my family's former company, a limestone 
mining concern, where we had been using ANFO in preference to dynamite 
for decades, on account of the lower cost of ANFO.

Contrary to popular belief, decommissioned 'puters from LLNL, etcetera, 
do NOT glow in the dark.

However, a lot of their machinery is indeed buried in place, due to 
traces of U and Pu.

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Re: Good source of used computers

[darm0k]

At 07:07 PM +0100 06/18/2005, James Zeun wrote:


Also question, craigslist???
Where do i find some of these places?
Could anyone supply a url?


http://www.google.com/

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Re: Good source of used computers

[Krow Magnum]

On 6/18/05, James Zeun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> Cheers everyone, oh and thanks Ron! I don't know, should have known you
> would have found my thread! LOL
> 
> It think we all would like a 1.2ghz Powerbook, but unless they are
> free. Some of us won't be getting one! :-D
> 
> I think i'll start looking at the 400 Lombards, i don't need firewire,
> but i do need usb. From what i've heard you can fit USB to lombards
> fairly cheaply
> 
> 
> Also question, craigslist???
> Where do i find some of these places?


http://www.craigslist.org/


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Re: Good source of used computers

[darm0k]

At 01:10 PM -0400 06/18/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The various "National Laboratories" (Lawrence Livermore, Lawrence
Berkeley, Los Alamos, Brookhaven, etcetera) often sell PMs and PBs in
large lots.

Used to be that an individual could bid on a pallet lot, but those days
are long gone, and now only authorized bidders are allowed to bid.


Berkeley's physics dept used eBay.  That's where I got my current 
desktop machine, loaded.  Needed a lot of outside clean-up (dirt, 
stickers), but it ran perfectly right out of the shipping box. 
There's something ultra cool about knowing that your computer's 
previous life was in a grid used to simulate nuclear explosions and 
such.


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Re: Good source of used computers

[James Zeun]

Hi there

Cheers everyone, oh and thanks Ron! I don't know, should have known you 
would have found my thread! LOL


It think we all would like a 1.2ghz Powerbook, but unless they are 
free. Some of us won't be getting one! :-D


I think i'll start looking at the 400 Lombards, i don't need firewire, 
but i do need usb. From what i've heard you can fit USB to lombards 
fairly cheaply



Also question, craigslist???
Where do i find some of these places?
Could anyone supply a url?

BTW thanks to everyone who replied, very greatful. I am a member of the 
LEM swap list luckily :-)


cheers
James


On 18 Jun 2005, at 18:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Doc, this looks like a reply to something, but you've started a new 
thread (with a new subject) and aren't quoting anyone.  So there's no 
context...


At 10:26 AM -0600 06/18/2005, Doc Holliday wrote:
[snip contextless whatever]

Sort of off topic, but...


Well, this part is on topic to the above subject line you provided. :)


Would anyone care to share what their sources of listings for used
PowerBooks and Power Macs is?


LEM Swap mailing list.
USENET forsale newsgroups.
eBay auctions.
Craigslist.
other auctions.
Flea markets.

Not necessarily in that order. ;P

Auctions can be very interesting.  Look for the ones that close in the 
wee hours of the mornings.  They often close lower.


have been frustrated with the fact the LEM swap list is still not open 
for new subscriptions


It *is* open, just not open to automated subscription.

To subscribe, send a request to Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, the Swap-list 
nanny.  Mention you're already a LEM list subscriber and be sure to 
supply your full name and address.


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Re: Good source of used computers

[Krow Magnum]

There is also a Yahoo Macswap mail list.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/macswap/

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Re: Good source of used computers

[darm0k]

Doc, this looks like a reply to something, but you've started a new 
thread (with a new subject) and aren't quoting anyone.  So there's no 
context...


At 10:26 AM -0600 06/18/2005, Doc Holliday wrote:
[snip contextless whatever]

Sort of off topic, but...


Well, this part is on topic to the above subject line you provided. :)


Would anyone care to share what their sources of listings for used
PowerBooks and Power Macs is?


LEM Swap mailing list.
USENET forsale newsgroups.
eBay auctions.
Craigslist.
other auctions.
Flea markets.

Not necessarily in that order. ;P

Auctions can be very interesting.  Look for the ones that close in 
the wee hours of the mornings.  They often close lower.


have been frustrated with the fact the LEM swap list is still not 
open for new subscriptions


It *is* open, just not open to automated subscription.

To subscribe, send a request to Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, the Swap-list 
nanny.  Mention you're already a LEM list subscriber and be sure to 
supply your full name and address.


HTH,
- Dan.

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Re: Good source of used computers

[ACFX44501]

>Would anyone care to share what their sources of listings for used
>PowerBooks and Power Macs is?

Best are the electronics swap meets around Silicon Valley, although any 
area where Apple or other computer manufacturers have a physical presence 
(Austin ?) could be good candidates.

Also, "ham" radio swap meets could be good, too.

Another tip ...

The various "National Laboratories" (Lawrence Livermore, Lawrence 
Berkeley, Los Alamos, Brookhaven, etcetera) often sell PMs and PBs in 
large lots.

Used to be that an individual could bid on a pallet lot, but those days 
are long gone, and now only authorized bidders are allowed to bid.

However, all these machines are "decommissioned" in a most brutal way, 
and the media bays, along with the hard drives are removed and thrown 
into the crusher. Sometimes the RAM is crushed as well.

Usually, these machines are top-of-the line ... but the absence of media 
(and possibly RAM), coupled with the fact that to get at the HD media one 
must remove the CPU cooler, often results on a machine which is 95 
percent complete, but lacks some very hard to get parts.

Usually the 14.1" displays are perfect, but the keyboard latches are 
usually bent as the "reclaimers" have not yet discovered that one can 
remove the keyboard simply by removing the battery and media bay, and 
then releasing the latches.

The National Labs are discarding Wallstreets and B&Ws at an alarming rate 
right now.

A year or so ago, 9600s, 8600s and Beige G3s were being discarded. All of 
these are now long gone.

Only a very few graphites are coming out of the Labs right now.

And, none of the more recent PBs ... no Pismos or later, and only a very 
few Lombards. But, LOTS of Wallstreets.


>I just got started collecting 603e PowerBooks and have been frustrated with
>the fact the LEM swap list is still not open for new subscriptions and the
>selection on eBay has been dismal. I am, also, looking for a "parts" machine
>to cannibalize for the two 3400c's (I have an upstairs and downstairs
>machine), particularly the hard drive bracket, replacement trackpad/palm
>rest assembly and some used RAM.

3400s are tough cookies to crack.

You could try modifying a 190/5300 hard drive bracket.

I am parting out a 3400 right now.

The motherboard, which had been converted to Cardbus, and the hard drive 
bracket and cable are already gone, but most of the other parts remain 
available.

If I still have a RAM card for this machine, then it is a small capacity 
one, not the rare, large capacity one which was also usable on the 3500 
(Kanga).

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Good source of used computers

[Doc Holliday]

Go for a Lombard 400 MHz with built-in DVD decoder and its accompanying
DVD drive.

DVD playback is flawless, unlike the add-on decoder of the Wallstreet
(any) or the 333 MHz Lombard.

10.3.9 installed flawlessly on my Lombard, unlike the install using
Xpostfacto on my several Wallstreets.

Yes, I run 10.3.9 on my B&Ws, too.


I've had little luck reusing the systems which came with the machines
(i.e., doing an "upgrade" to 10.3.9), so I always wipe the drives clean
and install 9.2.2, using the arduous 9.0.4 -> 9.1 -> 9.2.1 -> 9.2.2
upgrade path. Then and only then do I put 10.3.9 on.



Sort of off topic, but...

Would anyone care to share what their sources of listings for used
PowerBooks and Power Macs is?

I just got started collecting 603e PowerBooks and have been frustrated with
the fact the LEM swap list is still not open for new subscriptions and the
selection on eBay has been dismal. I am, also, looking for a "parts" machine
to cannibalize for the two 3400c's (I have an upstairs and downstairs
machine), particularly the hard drive bracket, replacement trackpad/palm
rest assembly and some used RAM.

Thanks.


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