Re: "5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[Andrew Kershaw]

David,

Firstly, you provided the precedent yourself for discussing the 
"5300ce special" on LEM lists by posting the advertisement to the LEM 
lists...  An advertisement in a public forum cannot reasonably expect 
to remain undiscussed in a public forum.  So comments to the list 
about these PowerBooks are perfectly reasonable and legitimate, 
especially when dealing with technical support issues (I don't need to 
remind you that these lists serve as a public forum for technical 
support by the user community).

Secondly, where is the slander (don't you mean libel?) to which you 
refer?  Libel requires a statement of fallacy or an intentional 
misstatement of fact, neither of which occured.  Peter simply detailed 
issues he found with his PowerBook 5300ce, none of which implicate you 
or your business in a way that would imply libel.  Additionally, for 
Peter's messages to constitute libel in their current text in any way 
(noting that you or your business is never mentioned), you would have 
to dispute his claims that there are issues with his PowerBook...  You 
have not done this.  In fact, you stated that "the truly unfortunate 
thing is that despite our best attempts, not every machine arrives 
perfect."  (As an aside, in my situation, this does not explain how a 
190 Series case bottom appeared on the 5300ce... - I'm not making 
gripes, though, as the only difference between 5300 Series and 190 
Series case bottoms is the label.)

FWIW, I have also had some difficulties with my 5300ce as well (though 
nothing I would consider demands additional service or replacement), 
and as this list is intended to provide community responses to support 
issues, this is a perfectly fine place to raise the issue.  Were my 
difficulties requiring attention beyond my abilities, I surely would 
have posted my comments to the list (notably, I am already suffering 
from intermittent contact between the logic board and power connector 
- a well-known issue which I can repair myself - after only 10 hours 
of use at most).

However, I suspect these posts will result in unhappy responses from 
the list nannies, so if you would like to continue the discussion 
further, please feel free to contact me off list.

Peace out,
Drew

P.S. - Before I get flamed, please note that while I am slightly 
unhappy with my purchase, I have not accused anyone of wrongdoing.
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Re: "5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 9/8/02 9:27:33 PM, DavidWedge writes:

<<
I noticed that you weren't happy with your order. You should have called me 
...
>>

Since you have been very slow to respond to your e-mails, have stated to me 
that you have been having health problems, and seemed preoccupied with other 
matters, I didn't want to bother you, David.

Besides, the post you commented on (attached below) was, in fact, my response 
to questions from another Lister, on his prospective purchase of a 5300ce 
from a seller which wasn't specifically named.


>>
... not stabbed me in the back about it.
>>

I did not mention you or your company by name, so I did not "stab you in the 
back".

In fact, I specifically stated that I had had previous good results from you 
and your company (without specifically naming you or your company), and that 
based on this previous good experience, I was surprised that I had had any 
problems with my order.

The only time you or your company's name was mentioned was in your own post 
(attached below).

So, David, is was really you who revealed your identity to the List, not me.


>>
That sort of ball-less action is not likely to get you any help ...
>>

That's a gross overreaction, David, just as is your assertion that I "stabbed 
you in the back".


>>
... though I am more than happy to help with any problematic machines.
>>

Fine.

Send me a replacement floppy drive module and a replacement battery charger.

I spent a day-and-a-half troubleshooting and debugging the machine you sent 
me.

I have, through careful, systematic and exhaustive work on MY part, isolated 
the problem to a defective battery charger and a defective floppy disk module.


>>
If you would like to get help ...
>>

I do ... see above.


>>
... please call me ...
>>

At this point, David, given your overreaction, your general attitude, and 
your public slandering of ME (see below), I don't think a call to you would 
be appropriate or would prove to be productive.

I really don't want to deal face-to-face with a person who appears to have 
lost his perspective in this whole matter, David.


>>
However, if you would like to slander me ...
>>

I did not slander you, David, as I did not mention you or your company by 
name.

However, David, YOU HAVE SLANDERED ME, by your subsequent post (attached 
below) which specifically identifies me by my e-mail address.

(It doesn't take rocket science to determine that "xxx.xxx" is really 
"aol.com", and that "PeterH5322" is unique to me on the 'Net).


>>
... please do it in another manner.  I do not enjoy being slandered by 
someone who's not willing to give me a chance to help ...
>>

Again, David, it is not slander as my post did not identify you or your 
company. Indeed, it was YOU who identified yourself and your company.


>>
... and it will most certainly taint any interaction we might have.
>>

David, you have no grounds to be angry. You have not been slandered.

On the contrary, you have publicly embarrassed me, calling me "ball-less" and 
accusing me of committing a "slander" which never occurred.


Peter.



Attachment: Copy of David Wegener 's second post ...

To any and all who wonder about about this note:

The advertisement in question is my company: Wegener Media.  We ran a few 
specials on 3400's & 5300's recently.

The truly unfortunate thing is that despite our best attempts, not every 
machine arrives perfect. That's a shame, but we are committed to resolve 
problems.  We regret any persons who may not have been happy about their 
purchases from us, and we are doing all we can to resolve any issues.

But, what's worse is that guys like the individual who has posted all this 
about us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) never bothered to contact a single person at 
our establishment, according to all my information. I have personally 
questioned our employees, and checked all phone records, and have zero 
information about this. 

Folks, if you wish to resolve any problem, you need to contact our office. As 
with any business, we cannot help those who do not bother to contact us.   If 
you don't have the guts to call us about a problem, please don't expect help, 
and PLEASE don't whine about issues to someone else. We are Powerbook 
specialists, not mystics, so we have to hear from you in order to know that 
you've got a problem.  We are glad to help folks in any way possible, but we 
cannot help if we don't hear from you.. And, of course, slander in the back 
against someone is not a recommended path to gain the ear of any dealer, no 
matter HOW dedicated we may be to Powerbooks. May I suggest that you contact 
me directly?

Thanks,
David

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- -
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Re: "5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[DavidWedge]

To any and all who wonder about about this note:
The advertisement in question is my company: Wegener Media.  We ran a few 
specials on 3400's & 5300's recently.

The truly unfortunate thing is that despite our best attempts, not every 
machine arrives perfect. That's a shame, but we are committed to resolve 
problems.  We regret any persons who may not have been happy about their 
purchases from us, and we are doing all we can to resolve any issues.

But, what's worse is that guys like the individual who has posted all this 
about us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) never bothered to contact a single person at 
our establishment, according to all my information. I have personally 
questioned our employees, and checked all phone records, and have zero 
information about this. 

Folks, if you wish to resolve any problem, you need to contact our office. As 
with any business, we cannot help those who do not bother to contact us.   If 
you don't have the guts to call us about a problem, please don't expect help, 
and PLEASE don't whine about issues to someone else. We are Powerbook 
specialists, not mystics, so we have to hear from you in order to know that 
you've got a problem.  We are glad to help folks in any way possible, but we 
cannot help if we don't hear from you.. And, of course, slander in the back 
against someone is not a recommended path to gain the ear of any dealer, no 
matter HOW dedicated we may be to Powerbooks. May I suggest that you contact 
me directly?

Thanks,
David

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- -
 WE'RE MOVING---> PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW ADDRESS!
 Wegener Media
 624B Leaphart St.
 W. Columbia, SC 29169

 803.808.4362 - office
 (212) 857.4931 - fax
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- -
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  www.wegenermedia.com
 


In a message dated 9/4/02 12:18:28 AM, you wrote:

>
>In a message dated 9/3/02 7:49:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
><<
>Was this a 5300 from a dealer and if so who ?
>About 2 weeks ago a dealer posted a "special" on 5300's and 3400's too, and 
I 
>wonder if you bought one of those ? 
>I was tempted to get one until I saw your post.
>>>
>
>Well, I'll not "name names" in public, but yes, there were these four posts:
>
>1) a $99 "special" on 5300ce's, posted to this List; I responded to this one,
>2) a lower priced "super special" just for selected List subscribers; I 
>responded to this one, too, perhaps (not sure ... see below) after I had 
>already responded to the first one,
>3) a notice, apparently to responders to (1) and (2), that shipment would be 
>delayed due to personal problems, and
>4) a $99 "special" on 5300ce's posted to the USENET,
>in that order
>Or, possibly, (2) came before (1) ... it's been a while.
>Right now I have 7.6.1 loaded onto the hard drive from a "retail pack" 
CD-ROM 
>which supports all Macs, including the 5300 series.
>I'm using my own battery, my own charger and my own floppy drive, all 
>borrowed from my 5300c.
>As I mentioned, the floppy drive supplied was completely crashed ... it 
>destroyed my 7.6.1 Disk Tools diskette the first time I tried to boot 
>(remember, there is NOTHING supplied on the hard drive, so a normal hard 
>drive boot will fail), so I had to use a backup Disk Tools diskette (and my 
>own, known-good drive, of course).
>
>The power system using the supplied battery and charger is problematic. 
>Sometimes it would start to boot, but would then immediately power itself 
off.
>
>Substituting my own battery and charger seemed to solve these problems ... I 
>think.
>
>But ... there could still be a power module problem as sometimes an attempt 
>to boot results in a "flup flup flup" sound, not unlike that produced by a 
>Mac 512K or a Mac Plus which has a bad analog board.
>
>Gr.
>
>I will attempt to run "all the usual suspects" of diagnostic tools before I 
>deem this machine to be unusable.
>
>Clearly, something is going to have to be done about the floppy drive (not 
>that I use floppies all that much ;-) ), even if everything else works 
>themselves out.
>
>On a VERY positive note ... the high definition screen provided by the 
5300ce 
>is a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the 5300c and, of course, the 5300cs.
>
>Stay tuned ;-)
>
>
>
>

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Re: 5300 external video / Re: PowerBook Video adapter

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> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:42:54 -0600
> From: Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 5300 external video / Re: PowerBook Video adapter
> 
> Peter, Dan,
> 
> That's exactly what I wanted to hear!  ;-)
> 
> Now I just have to actually get a video adapter somewhere...
> 
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Re: 5300 external video / Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[Andrew Kershaw]

Peter, Dan,

That's exactly what I wanted to hear!  ;-)

Now I just have to actually get a video adapter somewhere...

No, the 5300cs won't be a file server.  It's going to be a 
localtalk->ethertalk bridge for my network at home.  A router.  
Running headless is not a problem, so long as I can get it configured 
at least 1 time...  Heck, I might even run it off a RAM disk to make 
it nice and quiet...

Peace,
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Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[Dan K]

Drew, re: running a 5300 without an LCD, it works fine. The PB 'sees' 
there is no LCD attached and directs the video output to the external 
video port (assuming you've got a monitor plugged in there that is!) So 
the answer is no to mirroring, _and_ no to second monitor as well. Ain't 
the MacOS and hardware great?!?

The cable is a standard part used for the PB1xx series, as well as PB5xx 
and the PB1400 ext vid card. [Macintosh PowerBook Video Cable pn 
590-0831-A, VID-14 to DB-15]

One thing I think needs to be pointed out, if you intend to use a 
headless PB as a server, be aware that laptop drives are _not_ designed 
to be run 24/7/365 the same way a properly cooled Barracuda or Atlas or 
Elite or Cheetah, etc. can be run. Drives such as those were designed 
from the ground-up for this type of service, but laptop drives are not. A 
server drive's life is tough, and laptop drives are simply bound to fail 
sooner rather than later when subjected to that sort of treatment.

All that said, I admit I have done the same thing myself, but I made very 
sure that a drive failure would have little or no consequence for me.

Now a scsi drive attached to the external port is another matter and 
would work just fine.  : >) Well, come to think of it, a headless, 
internal-HD-less 5300 with a Focus enet/vid card, plus an external 23GB 
Seagate Elite . . . hmm, a cheap and cheerful MP3 server, and very 
compact (except for my choice of HD.)

Hope that helped,

Dan K

On 9/3/02 Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Ok, so I just got my neato 5300ce.  I've been playing with it all day 
>long, and I'm currently trying to load up the WaveLAN silver drivers 
>so I can use it on my WiFi network...  Which leaves my 5300cs still 
>completely headless with a broken LCD ribbon cable.  I do have the 
>original video card, though, supporting external monitors.  So my 
>question is this:
>
>If I get a video adapter (to fit the funky connector on the back of 
>the 'cs) to attach a Mac monitor, zap the PRAM, then start up, will 
>the external monitor come to life?   Will it mirror, or is it a true 
>second monitor?  Since the 'cs is headless, I can't very well open the 
>Monitors control panel to change settings if the external display does 
>not mirror the built-in one... :-(
>
>2nd question:  Exactly which cable do I need to attach the monitor?  
>Is the adapter the same for the 5x0 line?  Any other PowerBooks share 
>the same connector?
>
>Thanks for the info...
>Drew 

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Re: 5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 9/4/02 11:30:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Peter, the power supply's cable is the most likely suspect as you say the 
other PS you have works fine. The wires inside the cable get worn and 
you'll have an intermittant connection leading to the problems you 
describe. Perhaps the seller can simply replace the PS rather than the 
entire 'Book (and the POS floppy module too, while their at it!)

Hope that helped,

Dan K
>>

Dan, all ... an update.

The received charger measures just a few millivolts lower than does a 
known-good charger, therefore the supplied charger's cable is good.

When plugged into the 5300ce, the supplied charger will not operate the 
machine or charge the battery.

Indeed, the supplied charger causes the 5300ce not to work at all, even 
though it has a known-good battery installed (and previously fully charged in 
a known-good machine).

The supplied charger will not work under load, even though it "tests good" if 
tested using a laboratory instrument ...  a Fluke 8020A DVM, in this specific 
case.

Conclusion ... defective charger.

Suggestion ... always test chargers in an actual machine.

Thanks,

Peter.

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Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[Andrew Kershaw]

Sionnach,

Well, no, the 5300 does not have a VGA connector.  My Wallstreet, 
TwinTurbo 128, and Voodoo3 all have, but not the 5300.  Plus, I have 
about 10 VGA->Mac monitor adapters lying around here  The 
technical name for the port is "VID-14" I guess. It sounds like it 
is electrically compatible w/ the standard DB-15 mac monitor 
connector, but in a different form factor - a full size DB-15 (or even 
a VGA connector) is too large to fit in the small space left for PDS 
expansion in the 5300/190 series case.

PowerBooks behave differently across the board when it comes to 
external video.  My Wallstreet works great - shut down or put it to 
sleep, attach a display to the VGA connector, start or wake the 'book 
back up, and presto-change-o external monitor in video mirror mode at 
1024x768 (simulscan w/ the LCD) - the PC folks were all really amazed 
at how easy it was when I gave presentations w/ the LCD projector in 
class.

Also, I didn't think the 3400 actually had 2nd monitor capability: 
just supports 1 monitor at a time (be it LCD or external) - the video 
card isn't all that powerful.  Not that the 5300's is either, but I've 
never played w/ the external video card (and it's a different 
architecture anyhow - do the two displays even share the same 
circuitry?).

Oh well.  Never mind about the connector question - I looked on eBay 
and found several (that also work on the 160, 165, 180, 520, and 540 
'books).  So that answers 1 question.  (Here's a 
picture: )

But the other still stands: If I plug a monitor into the external 
video port and fire up the powerbook, will it mirror what is supposed 
to be on the built-in display or not?

Peace,
Drew

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Re: 5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[Dan K]

Peter, the power supply's cable is the most likely suspect as you say the 
other PS you have works fine. The wires inside the cable get worn and 
you'll have an intermittant connection leading to the problems you 
describe. Perhaps the seller can simply replace the PS rather than the 
entire 'Book (and the POS floppy module too, while their at it!)

Hope that helped,

Dan K

On 9/4/02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>I'm using my own battery, my own charger and my own floppy drive, all 
>borrowed from my 5300c.
>

>The power system using the supplied battery and charger is problematic. 
>Sometimes it would start to boot, but would then immediately power itself 
>off.
>
>Substituting my own battery and charger seemed to solve these problems ... I 
>think.
>
>But ... there could still be a power module problem as sometimes an attempt 
>to boot results in a "flup flup flup" sound, not unlike that produced by a 
>Mac 512K or a Mac Plus which has a bad analog board.
>
>Gr.
>
>I will attempt to run "all the usual suspects" of diagnostic tools before I 
>deem this machine to be unusable.
>

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Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[Sionnach Aisling]

--- Andrew Kershaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If I get a video adapter (to fit the funky connector
> on the back of 
> the 'cs) to attach a Mac monitor, zap the PRAM, then
> start up, will 
> the external monitor come to life?   Will it mirror,
> or is it a true 
> second monitor?  Since the 'cs is headless, I can't
> very well open the 
> Monitors control panel to change settings if the
> external display does 
> not mirror the built-in one... :-(
> 
> 2nd question:  Exactly which cable do I need to
> attach the monitor?  
> Is the adapter the same for the 5x0 line?  Any other
> PowerBooks share 
> the same connector?


I haven't looked at the back of a 5300, so I'm
guessing here, but, here's how it works on my 3400...

First, what type of "funky connector" do you have? Is
it a 15 pin three row connector? (Thats whats on teh
3400)  If so, it's not really that funky ;-)  That
connector is a standard VGA connector on all PC based
machines.  It's smaller than the standard Mac video
connector, so I wonder if thats why it wasn't
incorporated on the Powerbooks. Anyway, it will hook
up to any standard monitor just fine, or, if you have
a Mac monitor, you do need to get the adapter to
convert the different plug ends...

When I fire up the 3400 with the external monitor
attached, I need to go into the Monitor COntrol Panel
and switch from the "800x600" local machine option to
one of the other options.  THis then uses the external
monitor, but not the built in screen!  I must then,
when I'm finish, switch it back to the regular
display, or, simply shut down and next time I boot up,
it will default there...

Of course, I'm using 1024x768 when I go external so it
can't display on both screens since the 3400's native
screen only supports up to 800x600...  

Hope some of that is helpful.

Cheers,
Sionnach

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Re: OT(?) 5300ce issues (was Re: PowerBook Video adapter)

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 9/3/02 9:34:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Well, I'm not entirely sure this is the proper forum for this discussion.  I 
don't want to disparage anyone ...
>>

Nor do I.


>>
My 5300ce from that deal does have it's own share of issues.  It's in 
terrible cosmetic shape (case is scuffed badly, and there is a great big 
serial number engraved on the left side in big white letters about 1/4" tall. 
 F-UGLY!)
>>

Ah ... but it IS the actual serial number of the unit. At least it was on my 
unit.


>>
The case bottom belongs to a 190 series book, not a 5300 series book. The 
serial number is worn away and replaced w/ a sticker bearing (I presume) the 
correct serial number for the 'book.  Sort of makes me think my 5300ce is a 
frankenbook, put together piece-meal like from spare parts.
>>

Mine had two serial number stickers ... an Apple one and a Avery stick-on one 
... both bearing the same number, and these being the same number that was 
"engraved" on the side.


>>
Oh, and the insides of the case are in no better shape - plastic tabs broken 
off everywhere.
>>

I haven't broken the seal of my unit ... I might have to exchange it or 
return it if the power and other problems don't correct themselves in the 
course of time.

Right now, the machine is working OK on my floppy drive, my battery and my 
charger.


>>
Needless to say, I transplanted the guts to my pristine condition (though 
unworkable, thanks to a broken display data cable) 5300cs case.  I had some 
initial trouble upgrading the OS, but that's normal w/ a machine w/ NO CD-ROM 
and no built-in ethernet ...
>>

I plan on doing a "mind meld" as well, so I'm not as concerned with the 
case's cosmetics issues.

I would have been concerned if the screen was flawed, but the screen cleaned 
up very nicely.


>>
So, I'm not entirely happy.  Email me off list if you want more details about 
the transaction.

Indeed, caveat emptor.
>>

I think things will work out ... I'm optimistic at this point.

I plan to extensively retest the provided battery and charger, as the basic 
machine now seems to be reasonably functional.

If all is well ... and I do hope it is ... then the only issue is the crashed 
floppy drive.


Peter.


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OT(?) 5300ce issues (was Re: PowerBook Video adapter)

[Andrew Kershaw]

Well, I'm not entirely sure this is the proper forum for this 
discussion.  I don't want to disparage anyone, and to the vendor's 
credit, I have done other business there with no issues.  But seeing 
as how it was advertised on a LEM list, you probably all saw the ad 
for the 5300ce deal a few weeks back.

My 5300ce from that deal does have it's own share of issues.  It's in 
terrible cosmetic shape (case is scuffed badly, and there is a great 
big serial number engraved on the left side in big white letters about 
1/4" tall.  F-UGLY!)

The case bottom belongs to a 190 series book, not a 5300 series book.  
The serial number is worn away and replaced w/ a sticker bearing (I 
presume) the correct serial number for the 'book.  Sort of makes me 
think my 5300ce is a frankenbook, put together piece-meal like from 
spare parts.

Oh, and the insides of the case are in no better shape - plastic tabs 
broken off everywhere.

Needless to say, I transplanted the guts to my pristine condition 
(though unworkable, thanks to a broken display data cable) 5300cs 
case.  I had some initial trouble upgrading the OS, but that's normal 
w/ a machine w/ NO CD-ROM and no built-in ethernet...

So, I'm not entirely happy.  Email me off list if you want more 
details about the transaction.

Indeed, caveat emptor.

Peace,
Drew

P.S. - I still need help w/ that video adapter question!  Any takers?

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"5300ce Special" Problems - Was: PowerBook Video adapter

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 9/3/02 7:49:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Was this a 5300 from a dealer and if so who ?

About 2 weeks ago a dealer posted a "special" on 5300's and 3400's too, and I 
wonder if you bought one of those ? 

I was tempted to get one until I saw your post.
>>

Well, I'll not "name names" in public, but yes, there were these four posts:

1) a $99 "special" on 5300ce's, posted to this List; I responded to this one,

2) a lower priced "super special" just for selected List subscribers; I 
responded to this one, too, perhaps (not sure ... see below) after I had 
already responded to the first one,

3) a notice, apparently to responders to (1) and (2), that shipment would be 
delayed due to personal problems, and

4) a $99 "special" on 5300ce's posted to the USENET,

in that order.

Or, possibly, (2) came before (1) ... it's been a while.

Right now I have 7.6.1 loaded onto the hard drive from a "retail pack" CD-ROM 
which supports all Macs, including the 5300 series.

I'm using my own battery, my own charger and my own floppy drive, all 
borrowed from my 5300c.

As I mentioned, the floppy drive supplied was completely crashed ... it 
destroyed my 7.6.1 Disk Tools diskette the first time I tried to boot 
(remember, there is NOTHING supplied on the hard drive, so a normal hard 
drive boot will fail), so I had to use a backup Disk Tools diskette (and my 
own, known-good drive, of course).

The power system using the supplied battery and charger is problematic. 
Sometimes it would start to boot, but would then immediately power itself off.

Substituting my own battery and charger seemed to solve these problems ... I 
think.

But ... there could still be a power module problem as sometimes an attempt 
to boot results in a "flup flup flup" sound, not unlike that produced by a 
Mac 512K or a Mac Plus which has a bad analog board.

Gr.

I will attempt to run "all the usual suspects" of diagnostic tools before I 
deem this machine to be unusable.

Clearly, something is going to have to be done about the floppy drive (not 
that I use floppies all that much ;-) ), even if everything else works 
themselves out.

On a VERY positive note ... the high definition screen provided by the 5300ce 
is a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the 5300c and, of course, the 5300cs.

Stay tuned ;-)




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Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[A. Lal]

Hi Peter,

Was this a 5300 from a dealer and if so who ?

About 2 weeks ago a dealer posted a "special" on 5300's and 3400's too, and I wonder 
if you bought one of those ? 

I was tempted to get one until I saw your post.

Hope to hear from you.

Regards,
Akhil
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> In a message dated 9/3/02 6:32:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Ok, so I just got my neato 5300ce. >>
> 
> So did I.
> 
> It has many problems including a bad battery (or a bad power card, I can't
> tell which at this point ... I'm currently using my own battery with some
> success) and a crashed floppy drive. The drive ruined my "Disk Tools" floppy,
> but good!
> 
> So much for it being a "deal" ... I'm contacting the seller tomorrow by
> e-mail.
> 
> Oh, and do use a copy, not the originals, of any installation materials when
> you go to install the system ... just in case.
> 
> The hard disk comes "wiped" clean, which is certainly not a problem.
> 
> Forewarned is forearmed ... put your "PB List deal" 5300ce under a very
> powerful microscope.
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Re: PowerBook Video adapter

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 9/3/02 6:32:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Ok, so I just got my neato 5300ce. >>

So did I.

It has many problems including a bad battery (or a bad power card, I can't 
tell which at this point ... I'm currently using my own battery with some 
success) and a crashed floppy drive. The drive ruined my "Disk Tools" floppy, 
but good!

So much for it being a "deal" ... I'm contacting the seller tomorrow by 
e-mail.

Oh, and do use a copy, not the originals, of any installation materials when 
you go to install the system ... just in case.

The hard disk comes "wiped" clean, which is certainly not a problem.

Forewarned is forearmed ... put your "PB List deal" 5300ce under a very 
powerful microscope.

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PowerBook Video adapter

[Andrew Kershaw]

Ok, so I just got my neato 5300ce.  I've been playing with it all day 
long, and I'm currently trying to load up the WaveLAN silver drivers 
so I can use it on my WiFi network...  Which leaves my 5300cs still 
completely headless with a broken LCD ribbon cable.  I do have the 
original video card, though, supporting external monitors.  So my 
question is this:

If I get a video adapter (to fit the funky connector on the back of 
the 'cs) to attach a Mac monitor, zap the PRAM, then start up, will 
the external monitor come to life?   Will it mirror, or is it a true 
second monitor?  Since the 'cs is headless, I can't very well open the 
Monitors control panel to change settings if the external display does 
not mirror the built-in one... :-(

2nd question:  Exactly which cable do I need to attach the monitor?  
Is the adapter the same for the 5x0 line?  Any other PowerBooks share 
the same connector?

Thanks for the info...
Drew 
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