Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson said: Okay, what settings would I check on the server that would prevent PM from deleting read emails? That depends on the server software and the possible settings there, doesn't it? As I've had similar experiences to yours I can only say that it could be worth investigating, however I'd rather select another email package than have to go trough that kind of analysis project again. The only conclusion I could reach from my investigations was that from time to time PowerMail does not agree with the mail server what messages have been downloaded or not , which in my case led to a few messages being apparently lost and tens of thousands of messages getting redownloaded even though I already had them. As a contrast Apple's Mail performs without any problems with the same accounts (but if this is because it's better at handling the communication with Mail servers I can't know for sure as I had been using PowerMail previously on the same accounts and to most extent the same messages). Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon. However, I'm not sure that the cause of your problems must be related to those I had. PowerMail never deleted messages in some kind of regular fashion when PowerMail was set to not remove messages from the server at any point in my experience. Can you get a communication log from when this problem occurs I suppose it could be useful finding the cause. /MB
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson wrote: What works in Entourage may not work the same way in Power Mail. The two programs are different ... Okay, what settings would I check on the server that would prevent PM from deleting read emails? PM itself never delets any mails; it always needs an action (or the activation of a filter) by the user. Concerning the server settings most of them you can set on deleting mails if they are deleted on the mail client (or similar). It means: If you delete mails on PM by your own action then this mails will be deleted on the server too (during next connection).
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
On 8/25/10 3:30 AM, Rene Merz wrote: Concerning the server settings most of them you can set on deleting mails if they are deleted on the mail client (or similar). It means: If you delete mails on PM by your own action then this mails will be deleted on the server too (during next connection). My settings are leave copies of retrieved messages on server to allow my mobile platform not to delete copies for my home computer, BUT to delete from server when deleting locally so junk mail and irrelevant stuff is removed. What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. It was an irregular occurrence, and I could not predict when or why it was happening. I have access to logs but I'd have to know which ones to look at and what to look for. And then to know exactly when it occurred, which is hard to figure out because I don't know anything is amiss until I fire up an alternate email program and see a discrepancy. That is more effort than I need to find a functioning email program. On 8/25/10 3:21 AM, MB wrote: However, I'm not sure that the cause of your problems must be related to those I had. PowerMail never deleted messages in some kind of regular fashion when PowerMail was set to not remove messages from the server at any point in my experience. Can you get a communication log from when this problem occurs I suppose it could be useful finding the cause. /MB Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson hat am Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 geschrieben: My settings are leave copies of retrieved messages on server to allow my mobile platform not to delete copies for my home computer, BUT to delete from server when deleting locally so junk mail and irrelevant stuff is removed. What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. How do-you mean that? It is impossible to move any mail from the PM-inbox to somewhere else outside PM. The only way for such an operation is to save a text copy of a mail (menu file save as text); but the original mail remains on PM. But, of course, if you save (= download) it from the mail server (for to save-it in a folder on your computer) then it is labeled for the mail server as read _and_ if it is not the same time on PM it will be deleted by the mail server - logically, because mails which are not in the database of PM look for the mail server like deleted locally.
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson hat am Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 geschrieben: On 8/25/10 10:39 AM, Rene Merz wrote: What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. How do-you mean that? It is impossible to move any mail from the PM-inbox to somewhere else outside PM. The only way for such an operation is to save a text copy of a mail (menu file save as text); but the original mail remains on PM. But, of course, if you save (= download) it from the mail server (for to save-it in a folder on your computer) then it is labeled for the mail server as read _and_ if it is not the same time on PM it will be deleted by the mail server - logically, because mails which are not in the database of PM look for the mail server like deleted locally. What I mean is that I have filters that will file incoming business mail from the inbox to a folder named Business in PM. What I'm finding is that some of the messages moved, not deleted, but moved to the folder are NOT appearing or being downloaded when I fire up say Entourage on my desktop. They just disappear from the server. How? Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage? Sounds crazy ... You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but problems are preprogrammed.
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Sounds *exactly* like my experience. I too am moving towards IMAP, be it gmail or the MS Exchange version. It is not so much a choice as a realization that to do what I need to do with e-mail requires the migration from POP to IMAP. Yes, the interface in Mail is decidedly messier and busier than that of PowerMail. I have always liked PM's clean look and might, therefore, go back to it full time *IF* IMAP was given equal consideration as POP. On 25/08/2010 3:21 AM, MB wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Same here! Every now and then I make do with a set of BCC-rules and other patch-tricks to emulate IMAP behaviour but after some time I move back to Mail again (having tried all the others). And then back to PowerMail. etc... But IMAP feels like the inevitable future, and I keep hoping some open source or whatever solution will be integrated to bring PM back in that race. And then I will be back at PowerMail, and I would even pay a hefty upgrade fee. Op 25 aug 2010, om 17:52 heeft Tim lapin het volgende geschreven: Sounds *exactly* like my experience. I too am moving towards IMAP, be it gmail or the MS Exchange version. It is not so much a choice as a realization that to do what I need to do with e-mail requires the migration from POP to IMAP. Yes, the interface in Mail is decidedly messier and busier than that of PowerMail. I have always liked PM's clean look and might, therefore, go back to it full time *IF* IMAP was given equal consideration as POP. On 25/08/2010 3:21 AM, MB wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon
powermail-discuss Digest #2871 - 08/25/10
powermail-discuss Digest #2871 - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by MB digital.disc...@gmail.com Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Tim lapin t...@sympatico.ca Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Mirko Kranenburg mirko-l...@xs4all.nl -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:17:01 -0400 On 8/21/10 9:46 AM, Rene Merz wrote: Well, did you check-it really? What works in Entourage may not work the same way in Power Mail. The two programs are different ... Okay, what settings would I check on the server that would prevent PM from deleting read emails? Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015 -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: MB digital.disc...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:21:00 +0200 Jefferis Peterson said: Okay, what settings would I check on the server that would prevent PM from deleting read emails? That depends on the server software and the possible settings there, doesn't it? As I've had similar experiences to yours I can only say that it could be worth investigating, however I'd rather select another email package than have to go trough that kind of analysis project again. The only conclusion I could reach from my investigations was that from time to time PowerMail does not agree with the mail server what messages have been downloaded or not , which in my case led to a few messages being apparently lost and tens of thousands of messages getting redownloaded even though I already had them. As a contrast Apple's Mail performs without any problems with the same accounts (but if this is because it's better at handling the communication with Mail servers I can't know for sure as I had been using PowerMail previously on the same accounts and to most extent the same messages). Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon. However, I'm not sure that the cause of your problems must be related to those I had. PowerMail never deleted messages in some kind of regular fashion when PowerMail was set to not remove messages from the server at any point in my experience. Can you get a communication log from when this problem occurs I suppose it could be useful finding the cause. /MB -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:30:16 +0200 Jefferis Peterson wrote: What works in Entourage may not work the same way in Power Mail. The two programs are different ... Okay, what settings would I check on the server that would prevent PM from deleting read emails? PM itself never delets any mails; it always needs an action (or the activation of a filter) by the user. Concerning the server settings most of them you can set on deleting mails if they are deleted on the mail client (or similar). It means: If you delete mails on PM by your own action then this mails will be deleted on the server too (during next connection). -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:45:18 -0400 On 8/25/10 3:30 AM, Rene Merz wrote: Concerning the server settings most of them you can set on deleting mails if they are deleted on the mail client (or similar). It means: If you delete mails on PM by your own action then this mails will be deleted on the server too (during next connection). My settings are leave copies of retrieved messages on server to allow my mobile platform not to delete copies for my home computer, BUT to delete from server when deleting locally so junk mail and irrelevant stuff is removed. What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. It was an irregular occurrence, and I could not predict when
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
On 8/25/10 11:39 AM, Rene Merz wrote: How? Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage? Sounds crazy ... You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but problems are preprogrammed. Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm testing PM as a replacement for Entourage. When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for download in Entourage. What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the server were gone. Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson hat am Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 geschrieben: How? Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage? Sounds crazy ... You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but problems are preprogrammed. Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm testing PM as a replacement for Entourage. When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for download in Entourage. What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the server were gone. I don't know how Entourage works, but I guess it's different from PM ... However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing _and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. To understand the big difference have a look at this: http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/guides/email/imapvspop.html http://email.cityu.edu.hk/faq/popimap.htm Helpful for the IMAP installation on PM: http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/imap.html (http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/) And finally: You better work with the same mail software on laptop and home pc.
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
On 8/25/10 5:05 PM, PowerMail discussions wrote: However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. To understand the big difference have a look at this: Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or helpful. Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015