Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson said: What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. What do you mean move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer? You lost messages when copying already downloaded messages to another folder? Or do you mean you copied them via IMAP? I do not trust PowerMail with deleting messages via POP. I just let the server deal with them. But POP is tired. IMAP is way hotter. What kind of people these days want *only* download messages to one location? Leaving messages on the server is the norm as far as I can see. One other big major drawback with PowerMail is physical folders. Physical folders are tired. Virtual folders are wired. We should have had them in version 5 already. Really. The only reason I stay with PM is I don't have time to familiarize myself with another client and most other clients interface details suck to some extent. But PM is aging and is in need of rejuvenation. MB Technoids: PM 6.0.5 build 4621 sv | OS X 10.5.8 | PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0 | 4GB / 1.5TB/MB
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Jefferis Peterson wrote: However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or helpful. Well, unteachable people should stop whine about home-made problems ...
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
Actually, one only has to do that once and then the folder structure is shown on ALL IMAP clients. Most importantly, it includes one's Sent mail data as well. The consistent and complete folder structure is the very strength of IMAP. Better yet, if the server is fairly full featured, one could set up all the rules on the server, thereby insuring that filtering is applied equally in all situations and not simply on the client that happens to have the filters defined locally. The other option is to define a full set of filters and rules on each client, making sure that said rules are identical in each case. A fair amount of work. I used to work exactly as you do. Multiple POP clients, with the primary one cleaning up the server database automatically and the others set to Leave on Server Indefinitely. That worked until my work environment evolved to a point where Exchange / IMAP became more useful and my personal email environment became gmail centric. On 25/08/2010 5:08 PM, Jefferis Peterson wrote: On 8/25/10 5:05 PM, PowerMail discussions wrote: However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. To understand the big difference have a look at this: Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or helpful. Jeff
Re(2): Switching to Powermail maybe
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010, Tim Hodgson thn...@pobox.com wrote: On 25 Aug 2010, at 4:52pm, Tim lapin wrote: On 25/08/2010 3:21 AM, MB wrote: Unfortunately, I'm not that fond of Mails interface nor the one mailbox per account, but as I'm slowly moving to IMAP, PowerMail is slowly loosing its value for me. I wish CTM would make IMAP full citizen, but I have seen nothing that indicates this could be on the horizon Sounds *exactly* like my experience. I too am moving towards IMAP, be it gmail or the MS Exchange version. It is not so much a choice as a realization that to do what I need to do with e-mail requires the migration from POP to IMAP. Yes, the interface in Mail is decidedly messier and busier than that of PowerMail. I have always liked PM's clean look and might, therefore, go back to it full time *IF* IMAP was given equal consideration as POP. I think there are a lot of us out there! I moved over to Mail about 5 months ago, mainly because of the IMAP issue, but I have similar feelings about Mail's UI, and still keep an eye on this list, hoping for some good news on the upgrade front. A word of caution for you IMAPers out there in the U.S. Remember that email on servers is NOT in your house and Fourth Amendment rules do not apply. Data on the server is owned by the service provider, not by you. Email that is (a) unread and, (2) less than six months old has some protection, although the Government tried recently to remove it. Email that has been read or is older than six months can be had with a Court order if it's relevant to something. the something doesn't have to be something you did, and the threshold is not probable cause. In one recent example, lawyers for an insurance company subpoenaed, and received, the full Facebook details on a person's spouse, even though she was not a party to the lawsuit. They felt it was relevant and the Judge approved it. So, watch out out there. Cheers.Peter
Re: Switching to Powermail maybe
On 8/25/10 12:14 PM, MB wrote: What do you mean move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer? You lost messages when copying already downloaded messages to another folder? Or do you mean you copied them via IMAP? I do not trust PowerMail with deleting messages via POP. I just let the server deal with them. Connect, incoming messages are filtered and if they meet a filter, they are sorted and placed in the appropriate folder in PM. Leaving 2 gigs and a couple of years of messages on my server makes no sense to me. My host has a storage limit and I have clients who not only do not delete their messages but also don't empty their trash. This becomes a problem for their storage limits and I have to go in and manually delete their junk so they/I don't get charged more for breaking the storage limit on my master account. Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015
powermail-discuss Digest #2872 - 08/26/10
powermail-discuss Digest #2872 - Thursday, August 26, 2010 Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by MB digital.disc...@gmail.com Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Tim lapin t...@sympatico.ca Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Tim Hodgson thn...@pobox.com Re(2): Switching to Powermail maybe by Peter Lovell plov...@mac.com Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Re: Switching to Powermail maybe by Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:11:26 -0400 On 8/25/10 11:39 AM, Rene Merz wrote: How? Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage? Sounds crazy ... You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but problems are preprogrammed. Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm testing PM as a replacement for Entourage. When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for download in Entourage. What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the server were gone. Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015 -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Rene Merz r.m...@telquel.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 22:42:24 +0200 Jefferis Peterson hat am Mittwoch, 25. August 2010 geschrieben: How? Once you work with PM, the other time with Entourage? Sounds crazy ... You cannot work with two different mail programs. Of course you can, but problems are preprogrammed. Come on it isn't that complex. I have a laptop. On the laptop when I am away, I check POP email on my site. I sort the mail as it comes in. I'm testing PM as a replacement for Entourage. When I get home, I fire up my desktop and run Entourage. All the email not manually deleted in PM on the laptop SHOULD remain on the server for download in Entourage. What I found is that some of the messages that should have been left on the server were gone. I don't know how Entourage works, but I guess it's different from PM ... However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing _and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. To understand the big difference have a look at this: http://www1.umn.edu/adcs/guides/email/imapvspop.html http://email.cityu.edu.hk/faq/popimap.htm Helpful for the IMAP installation on PM: http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/imap.html (http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail/manual/) And finally: You better work with the same mail software on laptop and home pc. -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: Jefferis Peterson jeffe...@petersonsales.net Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:08:04 -0400 On 8/25/10 5:05 PM, PowerMail discussions wrote: However: Just for such cases (mobile mailing_and_ home/office mailing with the same account) an IMAP4 account should be your method of choice! It's much better and safer then a POP3 account. To understand the big difference have a look at this: Well, for mobile apps, that makes sense I guess. But for the home office, I don't want to store mail on the server and have it set to delete it after 30 days. Having a local copy and a searchable database of emails is part of my workflow. Otherwise with IMAP I have to leave it disorganized online or I have to duplicate my folder structure on the server. That is a pain and a duplication of my efforts. Not efficient or helpful. Jeff Jefferis Peterson, Pres. Web Design and Marketing http://www.PetersonSales.com (724)-482-2015 -- Subject: Re: Switching to Powermail maybe From: MB digital.disc...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:14:05 +0200 Jefferis Peterson said: What I found was that it was not deleting some mail, but appears to be deleting some mail I do not want it to when I move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer. What do you mean move the mail from the Inbox to a folder on my computer? You lost messages when copying already downloaded
