Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-1-28 10:19 AM said: So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to hide, again. I saw this interesting discussion on Apple's Carbon list: http://lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev/2008/Aug/msg00148.html from an Apple engineer: I have occasionally seen failure-to-hide when the application took an unusually long time to launch -- it bounced in the Dock, and stopped because the Dock (or some other part of the system) gave up on expecting the app to finish launching. When it happened, quitting and relaunching the app always fixed it for me. If you're seeing the same thing I am, I doubt there's anything your app can do about it (unless the reason for very-long launch time is under the app's control).
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
Am/On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:29:31 -0400 schrieb/wrote Sean McBride: C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-1-28 10:19 AM said: So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to hide, again. I saw this interesting discussion on Apple's Carbon list: http://lists.apple.com/archives/carbon-dev/2008/Aug/msg00148.html from an Apple engineer: I have occasionally seen failure-to-hide when the application took an unusually long time to launch -- it bounced in the Dock, and stopped because the Dock (or some other part of the system) gave up on expecting the app to finish launching. When it happened, quitting and relaunching the app always fixed it for me. If you're seeing the same thing I am, I doubt there's anything your app can do about it (unless the reason for very-long launch time is under the app's control). I've read that discussion, but in the case of PM I think there's another reason behind it. Imho the Menu API in connection with apps using the carbon api has some bugs, so I don't think it's only PM's fault. I don't expect this to be fixed, because Apple won't put anymore ressources into carbon. Everything goes to develop the cocoa framework and this means using basically Objective-C in the future. Thanks and all the best Matthias
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
Sean McBride sa såhär: BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment. I note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps The only app that ocassionally refuses to hide for me under 10.4.8 is Azureus 2.3.0.0, which is a Java application. So this problem is not so simple as to only be associated to Carbon apps. The problem may have several different causes with the same symptoms. Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.1 build 4499 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
So no sooner do I think it's over, when suddenly PowerMail refuses to hide, again. I wasn't fishing around in the spam folder, so that wasn't it. I had received only a few messages this morning, so I questioned the likely suspects. One that triggers it (maybe more) is from a Yahoo! Group mailing list. Looking back through my archive for this particular group, I see that the list format was changed between 4 May 2007 and 6 May 2007. The new format is HTML (surprise) and unfortunately a mess in plain text (bonus surprise). From the 27 April 2005 when I joined the group to 4 May 2007, none of the messages manifest the bug. But after that they do. The headers appear identical, but for this: 4 May 2007 (ok): X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-digest-trad Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 6 May 2007 (bad!): X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-digest-ff Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another Yahoo! Group I'm subscribed to didn't make this switch to an HTML format. On 8 May 2007 and following, their header still reads: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-digest-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable or this: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-digest-trad-u Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And these messages cause no problems. The Search Results window is also bitten by the bug, and refuses to hide after selecting a bum message. So how many people might be subscribed to Yahoo! Groups who also use PowerMail? :O All of this proving, of course, that HTML-mail is vil !!! :) Chris --
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
Christian Roth (28/1/08, 15:38) said: To CTM: Is this an Apple bug? If so, can you work around it? If it isn't, can you fix it? My problem (since 10.4.11) is that PowerMail doesn't bring its windows to the front if I click on its icon in the Dock or switch into it using Command-Tab. Sometimes it doesn't even activate its menu bar, and the only way I can bring it to the front is to select a window from the Dock menu. I haven't seen this happen with any other Carbon applications. OS X 10.4.11 PowerMail 5.6.1 Jeremy
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
C. A. Niemiec wrote: So how many people might be subscribed to Yahoo! Groups who also use PowerMail? :O I do have some Yahoo! Groups subscriptions, but have yet to encounter the does not hide bug. However, I'm consistently suffering from the does not show bug, i.e. trying to bring PM to the foreground by clicking its icon in the Dock once or tabbing to it using Cmd-Tab brings either no or only its frontmost window to the foreground instead of all of its windows as is the case with all other applications I have (among which there are Cocoa, Carbon and Java apps). As I have mentioned before, the problem began with either the 10.4.10 or 10.4.11 update (PPC). Needless to say, this is an annoying feature. To CTM: Is this an Apple bug? If so, can you work around it? If it isn't, can you fix it? Regards, Christian.
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
On or about 1/28/08, Christian Roth wrote: I do have some Yahoo! Groups subscriptions, but have yet to encounter the does not hide bug. However, I'm consistently suffering from the does not show bug, i.e. trying to bring PM to the foreground by clicking its icon in the Dock once or tabbing to it using Cmd-Tab brings either no or only its frontmost window to the foreground instead of all of its windows as is the case with all other applications I have (among which there are Cocoa, Carbon and Java apps). I ran into this also in December, which I described on the list as a 'Focus Problem'. Below is what I wrote about my 'fix' for the problem. Sorry it wasn't more definitive and systematic, but I would probably start with cleaning the user caches. I have since completely moved PowerMail from my G4 Cube to my Pismo running the same system version (10.4.11). The problem didn't recur on the Cube, nor on the Pismo after the move. I did start with a completely fresh mail database on the Pismo. Anyway - My response to my own problem: Well, I just got out the shotgun (MainMenu) and did the following: - Repaired Permissions (seemed to only find permissions related to iTunes and Flash to repair) - Update Prebindings (I've heard that this is no longer relevant in 10.4.?, and the log seemed to only contain 'image not found' and 'no need to re-prebind' messages at a quick scan. - Cleaned user caches - A bunch of PowerMail cache files were listed - Cleaned archived logs Now, the front PowerMail window snaps into focus when I click on the dock icon or use the application switcher. It occurs to me that I have my Cube set to sleep between 10:00 pm and 5:00 am, so perhaps the daily/weekly/monthly scripts could have also 'fixed' this problem. Anyhow, problem solved for me... - Don -- Don V. Zahniser PowerMail 5.6.1 on Mac OS 10.4.11
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
I do have some Yahoo! Groups subscriptions, but have yet to encounter the does not hide bug. For most every list I'm on, I've requested the plain text version. The particular one that gave me a headache this morning had switched the subscription to HTML version last May, with no opt-out notice I guess. Multipart HTML messages don't seem to have any problems, from some further hiding tests this morning. Just text/html alone. If one turns the HTML reader on, there is no problem. Further, if one _has_ the HTML reader on and then turns it off without relaunching PowerMail, the bug doesn't seem to kick in for these messages. But quit and relaunch with it off and pure text/html seems to trigger it. So having HTML rendering off actually _causes_ problems. Ugh. Trimming down another PowerMail database to show that right now... However, I'm consistently suffering from the does not show bug, i.e. trying to bring PM to the foreground by clicking its icon in the Dock once or tabbing to it using Cmd-Tab brings either no or only its frontmost window to the foreground instead of all of its windows as is the case with all other applications I have (among which there are Cocoa, Carbon and Java apps). That is odd. Only one window coming to the foreground on app switch reminds me of the frustration I had with early OS X releases. OS 9 brought all windows of an app to the front, OS X didn't, IIRC. But by now I've either set some preference to have all windows come to the front, or OS X changed. Not sure which. As for switching via the Dock, my Dock is two pixels high, left side, bottom pinned and hiding. That's the same corner that I send the mouse to when I done using the computer and want to activate the screensaver. Do I need to add I never use the Dock? So I'm afraid I can't empathize with funky Dock behavior. Good luck though... :) Tabbing I have no problems with PowerMail windows, unless the hiding bug has bitten. Chris -- PowerMail 5.6.1 on OS X 10.4.11 Intel
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
Please remove me from the mailing list --Original Message-- From: C. A. Niemiec Sender: powermail-discuss@ctmdev.com To: PowerMail Discussion List ReplyTo: PowerMail discussions Sent: Jan 28, 2008 11:58 Subject: Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4 However, I'm consistently suffering from the does not show bug ... I ran into this also in December, which I described on the list as a 'Focus Problem'. Ah, that's what that was referring to. /have spent too much time hammering command-H Chris -- Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
Another Yahoo! Group I'm subscribed to didn't make this switch to an HTML format. You should be able to control this. Go to the group's page and choose 'Edit Membership'. You should be able to select how to monitor the group (web only, individual emails, digest, etc) and below that, you can choose either 'Fully Featured' or 'Traditional'. Be aware that Yahoo groups mailings in 'Traditional' format ... Thanks for the heads up. This particular group is not so critical so I haven't bothered to adjust my preferences for it... till now. Fully Featured D'oh! :) Chris --
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
On or about 1/28/08, C. A. Niemiec wrote: Another Yahoo! Group I'm subscribed to didn't make this switch to an HTML format. You should be able to control this. Go to the group's page and choose 'Edit Membership'. You should be able to select how to monitor the group (web only, individual emails, digest, etc) and below that, you can choose either 'Fully Featured' or 'Traditional'. Be aware that Yahoo groups mailings in 'Traditional' format will mess up URLs that wrap at the end of a line, especially in digests. An easy remedy in PowerMail is to highlight the full URL, control-click on it and choose 'Create new text clipping...'. You can then edit out the extraneous line feed (?) and (sometimes) backslash, and then double- click the URL in the text clipping window to open it in your browser. Faster to do than to describe it. At this point I usually close the text clipping window without saving the new clipping, but there may be occasions to save one. - Don -- Don V. Zahniser PowerMail 5.6.1 on Mac OS 10.4.11
Re: PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Round 4
However, I'm consistently suffering from the does not show bug ... I ran into this also in December, which I described on the list as a 'Focus Problem'. Ah, that's what that was referring to. /have spent too much time hammering command-H Chris --
The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
Round Three: I went back through old list messages regarding this bug. Some version of the hiding bug has been observed since PowerMail 5.0 beta 12. This leads me to believe this was introduced in PowerMail 5.0. Possible causes of this bug mentioned on the PowerMail Discussion List over the years (and I am a proud contributor) include: - CodeTek Virtual Desktop (the _only_ one reported before PowerMail 5, but continually accused) - OS X 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 and point updates thereof... - Unsanity's APE (everyone's favorite red-headed stepchild...) - unrepaired permissions - unrun maintenance scripts due to computer being shut down overnight - OS X needs a restart - too much uptime causes PowerMail to grow unstable needing app relaunch/ restart - Finder and all other apps are hidden already, therefore hiding PowerMail doesn't do anything - third party software remaps Command-H so there is no Command-H in PowerMail (e.g. iKey, Key Xing, Menu Master) - Desktop Manager, Net Monitor, LaunchBar, Default Folder, Pathfinder, ASM (all mentioned, not necessarily accused) - DragThing (it's just an app not a hack people, srsly) - PowerMail and OS language versions are different - user preferences corruption, perhaps only on one account - Carbon applications have this hiding problem - switching and hiding an application at the same time (e.g. command- option click another app in the Dock) - the Identify Spam button triggers it - selecting PowerMail/SpamSieve-marked spam message and then using Command-H triggers it - computer going to sleep messes it up - computer screensaver activation messes it up - it's a PPC problem - it's an Intel problem Work-arounds mentioned include: - if Other Software X causes problem, don't use Other Software X! (well, duh...) - highlight a message - empty the mail trash - quit and relaunch PowerMail - force-quit and relaunch PowerMail - relaunch the Finder - restart the OS - reinstall PowerMail - use a third-party utility to hide all apps, then just select the one you need visible - click on the Desktop/go to the Finder and back. - switch to another app and back to PowerMail, twice. - update PowerMail to the latest version - update the OS to the latest version I knew certain spam messages (surprise, surprise) were triggering this bug, but not all. So I duped my message database, deleted most of the messages and pulled a few likely culprits into the In Tray. After much hiding, not-hiding, quitting, relaunching I think I have finally got it. The Mail Browser needs to be in a three-pane view. Two-pane view will not trigger it. HTML view is off (curiously, but I don't know if that's necessary). All you need to do is to have selected one of these malformed messages in the Mail Browser. It need not be the current selection when you hit Command-H! So you might be going through a list with the arrow keys, and hit Command-H on a good message and thus have no idea. Because there needs to be a preview section as with the three-pane views of the Mail Browser, I suspect the Recent Mail Window will manifest the same behavior. But I don't get enough spam to test that. (thank goodness for small blessings :) So now I have a pared-down, 784 KB zipped PowerMail folder with a database of messages. There is a label set to identify the crashers amidst a few benign control messages from wealthy Nigerians. I've also left a selection of past PowerMail Discussion List messages that are related to this problem in its own folder. Some of the PowerMail release notes are in there too to get a sense of the timeframe. E-mail me if you want it (CTM, check your inbox). Ladies and Gentlemen: the PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: With certain malformed messages, after selecting them in the Mail Browser or the Recent Mail Window, hiding PowerMail via Command-H will cause the Mail Browser and Recent Mail windows grey-out but remain visible. Other windows (new messages, individual message browsers) will hide properly. Switching back to PowerMail (via Command-Tab or clicking on the Desktop and back to an inactive PowerMail window) will not reset it the first time. The menubar item PowerMail appears stuck. None of of the menubar items yield any menus. An application switch (Command-Tab or click on the Desktop, then back to the application) needs to happen again to unstick it, or a key command for some other menu item (e.g. Command-N new message). Occuring with PowerMail 5.x on OS X 10.2.x-10.5.1, PPC and Intel. Workaround: Quit PowerMail and relaunch. Conclusion: The workaround is easy enough, but if a spam message can mess with the application menus, what is it doing to the rest of the database? CTM, please investigate this and make PowerMail just that much more robust. Chris --
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
Chris, Thanks for your research effort! For me, this is a rare problem that a restart of PM fixes most of the time. I've noticed this behavior with aperture, YEP! and Powermail, so I suspect the issue isn't 100% powermail related, but somehow related to it and and system interation. I don't use any of the haxies, as I've had problems with them in the past, but do have LOTS of software installed and running at all times. For me, this started with 10.5, but clearly isn't limited to that based upon other people's input. I hope because of your efforts the PM development team can figure this out and we can get a definitive answer on why we are all experiencing similar very weird behavior that will help all developers and/or Apple resolve the problem. I expect the major reason we all see it in Powermail is because that is a primary application for us that we are running nearly all the time, and thus, it gets a first shot at any weird system behavior. I've found the same issue with the software well sell that is run all day long on our customers machines - ANY problem they get they think is our fault first because they are using OUR program when their system has problems. Often this gives us an opportunity to update our software to react better to rare or unexpected system behavior. Funny, though all this discussion, the bug has not hit me again...and I have powermail open all day, and use hide/show a LOT. Did one of my system repairs solve the problem? perhaps someday I'll find out bill +---+ Bill Schjelderup, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Round Three: I went back through old list messages regarding this bug. Some version of the hiding bug has been observed since PowerMail 5.0 beta 12. This leads me to believe this was introduced in PowerMail 5.0. Possible causes of this bug mentioned on the PowerMail Discussion List over the years (and I am a proud contributor) include: - CodeTek Virtual Desktop (the _only_ one reported before PowerMail 5, but continually accused) - OS X 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 and point updates thereof... - Unsanity's APE (everyone's favorite red-headed stepchild...) - unrepaired permissions - unrun maintenance scripts due to computer being shut down overnight - OS X needs a restart - too much uptime causes PowerMail to grow unstable needing app relaunch/ restart - Finder and all other apps are hidden already, therefore hiding PowerMail doesn't do anything - third party software remaps Command-H so there is no Command-H in PowerMail (e.g. iKey, Key Xing, Menu Master) - Desktop Manager, Net Monitor, LaunchBar, Default Folder, Pathfinder, ASM (all mentioned, not necessarily accused) - DragThing (it's just an app not a hack people, srsly) - PowerMail and OS language versions are different - user preferences corruption, perhaps only on one account - Carbon applications have this hiding problem - switching and hiding an application at the same time (e.g. command- option click another app in the Dock) - the Identify Spam button triggers it - selecting PowerMail/SpamSieve-marked spam message and then using Command-H triggers it - computer going to sleep messes it up - computer screensaver activation messes it up - it's a PPC problem - it's an Intel problem Work-arounds mentioned include: - if Other Software X causes problem, don't use Other Software X! (well, duh...) - highlight a message - empty the mail trash - quit and relaunch PowerMail - force-quit and relaunch PowerMail - relaunch the Finder - restart the OS - reinstall PowerMail - use a third-party utility to hide all apps, then just select the one you need visible - click on the Desktop/go to the Finder and back. - switch to another app and back to PowerMail, twice. - update PowerMail to the latest version - update the OS to the latest version I knew certain spam messages (surprise, surprise) were triggering this bug, but not all. So I duped my message database, deleted most of the messages and pulled a few likely culprits into the In Tray. After much hiding, not-hiding, quitting, relaunching I think I have finally got it. The Mail Browser needs to be in a three-pane view. Two-pane view will not trigger it. HTML view is off (curiously, but I don't know if that's necessary). All you need to do is to have selected one of these malformed messages in the Mail Browser. It need not be the current selection when you hit Command-H! So you might be going through a list with the arrow keys, and hit Command-H on a good message and thus have no idea. Because there needs to be a preview section as with the three-pane views of the Mail Browser, I suspect the Recent Mail Window will manifest the same behavior. But I don't get enough spam to test that. (thank goodness for small blessings :) So now I have a pared-down, 784 KB zipped PowerMail folder with a database of messages. There is a label set to identify the crashers amidst a few benign control messages from
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
I've noticed this behavior with aperture, YEP! and Powermail, so I suspect the issue isn't 100% powermail related, but somehow related to it and and system interation. ... I wonder if Aperture and YEP! had any hiding problems in 10.3 and 10.4? Then I'd be inclined to call it an OS X problem. Or these apps have all coded Command-H the same buggy way (that doesn't explain why it happens on certain specific messages in PowerMail though). For me, this started with 10.5, but clearly isn't limited to that based upon other people's input. For myself: PowerMail 5.6.1 in OS X 10.4.10/11 on PPC/G4 and Intel/C2Duo. ... Funny, though all this discussion, the bug has not hit me again... and I have powermail open all day, and use hide/show a LOT. Did one of my system repairs solve the problem? perhaps someday I'll find out Before you empty your spam folder, have it visible in a three pane view in the Mail Browser window. Use the arrow key to move through the list of messages. Press Command-H and see if you're still safe. :) I doubt you'll experience it with your real e-mail. Unfortunately, spam is part of the picture today so you have to be on guard. And I wouldn't discount the possibility of a real mail client making the same sort of mistake in coding messages, whatever it is. Chris --
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 27/01/08 05:34 said: Ladies and Gentlemen: the PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug: Nice write up! You should definitely go here: http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/ and file a bug with Apple. BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment. I note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps Sean
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment. I note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps NOooo... :O !!! Does the window grey out and menubar become inactive? Or maybe less shadow is the Leopard inactive look... Or will Apple care about a Tiger problem now that Leopard is out? Hrm... I do want CTM to dissect that database (it's not very big) and see if there's anything significant about the five messages I marked, and how PowerMail handles them. We've had crashers before. Chris --
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 27/01/08 19:02 said: BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment. I note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps NOooo... :O !!! Does the window grey out and menubar become inactive? Or maybe less shadow is the Leopard inactive look... Or will Apple care about a Tiger problem now that Leopard is out? Hrm... I'm seeing this problem in 10.5.1. Sean
Re: The PowerMail 5 Hiding Bug
Am/On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:32:46 -0500 schrieb/wrote Sean McBride: C. A. Niemiec ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 27/01/08 19:02 said: BTW: iTunes is refusing to hide for me right at this very moment. I note that both PowerMail and iTunes are Carbon apps NOooo... :O !!! Does the window grey out and menubar become inactive? Or maybe less shadow is the Leopard inactive look... Or will Apple care about a Tiger problem now that Leopard is out? Hrm... I'm seeing this problem in 10.5.1. the problem i see is that clicking on a window from PM doesn't bring PM to the front anymore. But PM is not the only app with which I observed that. imho this is related to the not hiding bug (we still don't know, if it's a pm bug or a bug in one of the used libs). Thanks and all the best Matthias
New PowerMail 5 user question 1
Hi, All - I've recently upgraded from PowerMail 4 to PowerMail 5 with SpamSieve, and overall I am very pleased and impressed. However, I have run across a couple of behaviors that seem to me to be bugs. The first one I would like to ask about deals with HTML display: With the HTML reader turned on in Preferences, and also the setting to Prefer HTML when plain text is available checked: If I have a mailbox of messages, and double-click on a message to open it in its own pane, the message opens with HTML displayed. If I then use the arrows to move between notes, the HTML reader continues to function. However, if I Option-Click the arrows to delete the current message and move to the next/previous message while displaying an HTML-based message, and the next message is also HTML-based, only the plain text version of the note is displayed. If I go to the globe icon at the bottom of the page and click to 'Display HTML', nothing happens. If I close the message and reopen it in its own pane, the HTML portion of the message is appropriately displayed. Bug? Thanks! - Don -- Don V. Zahniser PowerMac G4 Cube, Mac OS 10.3.9, 512MB RAM
Re: AOL via IMAP and PowerMail 5
welcome to the club... It seems you can only auto-connect to a single IMAP account at a time. The others you manually connect to and then they stay active... On Jun 2, 2004, at 7:38 PM, Nary Lakshmanan wrote: I have multiple AOL accounts, which they have (thankfully) now allowed us to access via 3rd party clients and IMAP. This works quite well in Apple Mail (Jaguar Panther). However, in PowerMail, I cannot seem to automatically connect to all those accounts at the same time. I have to choose Connect... for each account individually. Why is this so, and what can I do to rectify this? -- Nary
AOL via IMAP and PowerMail 5
I have multiple AOL accounts, which they have (thankfully) now allowed us to access via 3rd party clients and IMAP. This works quite well in Apple Mail (Jaguar Panther). However, in PowerMail, I cannot seem to automatically connect to all those accounts at the same time. I have to choose Connect... for each account individually. Why is this so, and what can I do to rectify this? -- Nary
[ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 18 now available
Dear PowerMail list member, We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12 public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml Release notes and information on managing your subscription to this list are included below. Best regards, Marie-Therese Lamagat [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTM Development http://www.ctmdev.com --- POWERMAIL 5.0B18 RELEASE NOTES - MAY 2004 --- Incremental release notes (since previous seeded version) 5.0b18/ final public beta New features * The reply popup menu, in the toolbar, now enables replying to any of the from/sender/reply-to/to/cc address * When replying to a message, or clicking on a mailto URL, you can now close the message with no confirmation dialog if you didn't type anything in it * Reply single message is now available also in the reply button popup within the toolbar * A new popup menu appears at the bottom of the message when the header contains some usefull URLs (to manage mailing lists for example) * When clicking a mailto URL in a message, the message is now created with the same account as the message containing the URL * The perform mail filters again option, in the mark as good preference, automatically resets the label to none before filtering the message again * The attachment folder is now primarily identified using a path relative to the database, then an alias is used if it has been renamed or moved. * The toolbar settings are now saved in the PowerMail database, in addition to the user's library folder; consequently, using the database from another user or another machine will keep the toolbar settings * Now inclused the German-language resources in addition to French and English * Compacting the database now automatically performs a verification of the database consistency * When verifying the consistency of the database, the attachment references are now updated, in case they have been moved or renamed; it is recommended to go through this step of compacting before you copy your database and your attachment folder to another machine, disk or volume, or before making a backup or archive. * A dot is now drawn in the close box of windows that needs to be saved Bug fixes * Clicking a mailto URL that specify a BCC recipient now works properly * Some square characters were displayed in particular incorrectly encoded messages (when line-feed characters were quote-printable encoded) * When displaying a message whose attachments have been renamed or moved, the internal attachment reference is updated so it will be more reliable * Increased the size of the text pane margin * Messages that were in the trash prior the upgrade to PowerMail version 5 could be deleted at a random time when using the Delete from trash after n days option * Rebuilding the search index from the PowerMail First Aid did not work if background indexing was turned off * Some problems could occur when sending a message using an SMTP server the requires authentication * Some filter conditions did not work: label is, folder is, number of recipients is more than * The status bar was not drawn correctly in 2 panes mode * The tab key did not work properly when the keyboard system preference was set to full keyboard access * Reply, forward and redirect did not work from a script called from an incoming filter * The AppleScript move message to message container did not work in 5.0b12 * Improved the way exceptions are handled upon compacting o Formerly, we would try to delete the .tmp file when it was not yet closed, which caused a -47 secondary exception within the exception itself (file is busy) o Now, the .tmp file gets closed before deletion and primary-cause errors get displayed properly * When an attachment has no filename (or when a message contains multple HTML parts), the attachment is now created using the message subject as filename, instead of Enclosure or Enclosure.html. PowerMail 5 feature overview * Better at fighting spam: o Built-in filters enhancement for dealing with spam o Tight integration with SpamSieve for best efficiency * Improved performance and functionality: o Now ships as Mac OS X-only Mach0 binary (requires Mac OS X 10.2 or later) o Much faster when fetching, filtering and storing messages o Many more filter actions (including by content) o Delete messages after n days in the Mail trash o Ability to process incorrectly-decoded
Re(2): Powermail 5 problems
Am Di, 20. Apr 2004, schrieb Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've the same problem with sending mail with AUTH smtp. Unexpected error on auth.smtp.kundenserver.de Classs='NetP', what=100, when=1, erro=0 Incorrect authentication data Verified this with my PM4.2 converted mail database AND with a brand new one. Same error. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is having this problem. This is a serious bug for me, especially since it would take a lot of work to go back to PM4. I had to switch back to 4.2 instantly after this problem became obvious. The account which uses AUTH smtp is my company account over which I send all of my outgoing mail. The mail server is located at one of the biggest web space providers here in Germany (www.schlund.de) and I'm quite sure that others will have the same problems too. Jérôme, if you can't verify the problem, please contact me privately and I'll give you an account to test... Peter -- Peter BaralMedienwerkstatt Muehlacker Verlagsgesellschaft m.b.H. +-+-+-+-+-+ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Original message Peter Baral, 12:25 AM, 4/20/04: 1. Anyone have any problems with authenticated SMTP? I can't send email through my mail server since I upgraded to PM 5. It tells me 'Unexpected error on dwebb.com, Class='NetP',what=100,when=1,err=0, Authentication failed: malformed initial response'. I've the same problem with sending mail with AUTH smtp. Unexpected error on auth.smtp.kundenserver.de Classs='NetP', what=100, when=1, erro=0 Incorrect authentication data Verified this with my PM4.2 converted mail database AND with a brand new one. Same error. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is having this problem. This is a serious bug for me, especially since it would take a lot of work to go back to PM4. Dan -- Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Original message Matthias Schmidt, 12:04 AM, 4/20/04: 1. Anyone have any problems with authenticated SMTP? I can't send email through my mail server since I upgraded to PM 5. It tells me 'Unexpected error on dwebb.com, Class='NetP',what=100,when=1,err=0, Authentication failed: malformed initial response'. Well, works fine for me. Do you use little snitch ? If yes, delete all PM rules and try again. Nope, I'm using postfix (and Postfix Enabler) on my G5. SMTP authorization is enabled, yet I can't send. (I had to turn off SMTP auth to send this email.) 4. Performance of opening messages is slower than before. I have a lowly 550MHz Powerbook, so I notice even the slightest slowdowns. It takes 1-2 seconds to open an email message. No problem with a 500MHz Ti.. It's so weird that certain actions in PM are terribly slow (switching between folders containing lots of messages in 2-pane mode) on my 550MHz Tibook, yet other people aren't having the same problems. Oh well, not nearly enough of a reason to quit using PM, just an annoyance. Dan -- Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Original message PowerMail Engineering, 1:22 AM, 4/20/04: There is separate visible state for each toolbar (main browser, recent mail window, incoming message, outgoing message), but once you have hidden a specific toolbar, it should remain hidden. It won't remain hidden for me. (It's not a preference I have to set, is it?) Even when I open a message, hide the toolbar, close it, and open it again, the toolbar is back. -- Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Dan Webb wrote: 2. I turned the main toolbar off, and the next time I start PM, it was back on. Also, I turned the message window toolbar off, and when I open a new message, it was back on. Can I make it stay off? I don't like toolbars. There is separate visible state for each toolbar (main browser, recent mail window, incoming message, outgoing message), but once you have hidden a specific toolbar, it should remain hidden. 3. In 2-pane mode, the horizontal scroll bar draws on top of the status bar after you resize the window. Thanks for the report Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering - Avec PowerMail, on n'éblouit pas l'utilisateur avec des icônes et des fioritures partout, on fait dans l'efficace. Et là où les auteurs de ce logiciel font très fort, c'est que malgré cette politique d'interface, le logiciel reste agréable et totalement intégré au style Aqua. Beau et pratique, il fallait le faire ! PowerMail revue on www.cuk.ch Download a demo version from www.ctmdev.com -
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Am Mo, 19. Apr 2004, schrieb Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A few problems with Powermail 5: 1. Anyone have any problems with authenticated SMTP? I can't send email through my mail server since I upgraded to PM 5. It tells me 'Unexpected error on dwebb.com, Class='NetP',what=100,when=1,err=0, Authentication failed: malformed initial response'. I've the same problem with sending mail with AUTH smtp. Unexpected error on auth.smtp.kundenserver.de Classs='NetP', what=100, when=1, erro=0 Incorrect authentication data Verified this with my PM4.2 converted mail database AND with a brand new one. Same error. PM 5 looks like a major update with very welcome new features and a very nice updated look. I will be very happy to switch... Peter -- Peter BaralMedienwerkstatt Muehlacker Verlagsgesellschaft m.b.H. +-+-+-+-+-+ E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://www.medienwerkstatt-online.de
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Dan Webb wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 23:41 -0700 3. In 2-pane mode, the horizontal scroll bar draws on top of the status bar after you resize the window. I see this too. What I see is a blank area over the scroll bar where the status appears. I assume we mean the same thing. Don't know if attachments are permitted here, I'd be happy to send a screen shot if anyone wants it! -- david.gordon
Re: Powermail 5 problems
Dan said: 1. Anyone have any problems with authenticated SMTP? I can't send email through my mail server since I upgraded to PM 5. It tells me 'Unexpected error on dwebb.com, Class='NetP',what=100,when=1,err=0, Authentication failed: malformed initial response'. For what it's worth, I'm using authenticated SMTP (with my Comcast account) and don't have any problems. I made no changes when I transitioned from PM 4 to PM 5. -- Sherman
Powermail 5 problems
A few problems with Powermail 5: 1. Anyone have any problems with authenticated SMTP? I can't send email through my mail server since I upgraded to PM 5. It tells me 'Unexpected error on dwebb.com, Class='NetP',what=100,when=1,err=0, Authentication failed: malformed initial response'. 2. I turned the main toolbar off, and the next time I start PM, it was back on. Also, I turned the message window toolbar off, and when I open a new message, it was back on. Can I make it stay off? I don't like toolbars. 3. In 2-pane mode, the horizontal scroll bar draws on top of the status bar after you resize the window. 4. Performance of opening messages is slower than before. I have a lowly 550MHz Powerbook, so I notice even the slightest slowdowns. It takes 1-2 seconds to open an email message. (Maybe this is caused by the fact that it seems to be drawing the window contents off-screen before showing the window, which can make it seem slower even though it may not be.) -- Dan Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powerbook G4/550 768MB RAM Mac OS X 10.3.3
Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available
Sylvain Perchaud wrote: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml There is probably a problem with the HTML code of that page. I only see the HTML source code in Opera 7.5 OW's transfer log shows: --snip-- Apr 19 21:44:27 http Rx: HTTP/1.1 200 OK Apr 19 21:44:27 Rx: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml Apr 19 21:44:27 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:48:25 GMT Apr 19 21:44:27 Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_ssl/ 2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.6b Apr 19 21:44:27 Last-Modified: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:54:58 GMT Apr 19 21:44:27 ETag: 1179e-27f8-a8578c80 Apr 19 21:44:27 Accept-Ranges: bytes Apr 19 21:44:27 Content-Length: 10232 Apr 19 21:44:27 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 Apr 19 21:44:27 Connection: Keep-Alive Apr 19 21:44:27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 --snip-- So, the page is delivered with a content type of text/plain, i.e. a text file (like e.g. a readme.txt) and Opera does the right thing: display it as is. This is a mis-configuration of the server, it should probably deliver .shtml pages with a content type of text/html. Regards, Christian. PS: cc'd to CTM webmaster
Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available
Le lundi 19 avril 2004, à 9:10, PowerMail info a écrit: Dear PowerMail list member, We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12 public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml There is probably a problem with the HTML code of that page. I only see the HTML source code in Opera 7.5 -- Sylvain Perchaud Tel : +33 (0) 674 758 551 Fax : +33 (0) 251 280 898 http://www.europe-shareware.org
Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available
En réponse au mail de DavidG, daté du 19/04/04 à 11:07 : PowerMail info wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 09:10 +0200 We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12 public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml I have found the demo however that page needs fixing, I'm seeing only HTML code. -- Try to open it in Safari. I havec also the code in Mozilla Jean de Crombrugghe A vendre iBook G4 14, 1Ghz, DD60 Go, 256 Mb acheté décembre 03 Belgium mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: jean1dc -- -- ? -- --
Re: [ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available
PowerMail info wrote on Mon 19 Apr 2004 at 09:10 +0200 We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12 public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml I have found the demo however that page needs fixing, I'm seeing only HTML code. -- David Gordon
[ANN] PowerMail 5 public beta 12 now available
Dear PowerMail list member, We are hereby pleased to announce the availability of the PowerMail 5.0b12 public beta release, which can be directly downloaded from: http://www.ctmdev.com/download.shtml Release notes and information on managing your subscription to this list are included below. Best regards, Marie-Therese Lamagat [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTM Development http://www.ctmdev.com --- POWERMAIL 5.0B12 RELEASE NOTES - APRIL 2004 --- This section with screen dumps can be viewed at: http://www.ctmdev.com/powermail5.shtml PowerMail 5 feature overview * Better at fighting spam: o Built-in filters enhancement for dealing with spam o Tight integration with SpamSieve for best efficiency * Improved performance and functionality: o Now ships as Mac OS X-only Mach0 binary (requires Mac OS X 10.2 or later) o Much faster when fetching, filtering and storing messages o Many more filter actions (including by content) o Delete messages after n days in the Mail trash o Ability to process incorrectly-decoded messages again o Long file names and alias support for attachments o Ability to export attachments along with messages * User interface enhancements: o Fully customizable toolbars in mail browser, recent mail, message window, address book and setting dialogs, with extra addable toolbar buttons o New multiple Undo feature on moving messages, change status, marrk read/unread, mark as spam/mark as good o Ability to use System sounds and custom sounds o New filter interface eases editing of complex rules o Configurable Address history and Recent mail views o Supports .sitx decompression if Stuffit Engine is present o Integrated and customizable Mac OS X toolbar o Live resizing of windows o Better organization of the Scripts menu PowerMail 5 feature details can be read at: http://www.ctmdev.com/release_notes.htm -- SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICING UNTIL MAY 31 FOR UPGRADING FROM EARLIER POWERMAIL VERSIONS OR BUYING NEW POWERMAIL 5 LICENSES AND SPAMSIEVE -- Until May 31st 2004 only, upgrades from previous PowerMail versions are just US$ 29, or US$ 45 including SpamSieve(TM) while new licenses are just US$ 49, or US$ 65 including SpamSieve(TM) (Note: SpamSieve alone usually costs US$ 25 !). Orders can be placed now, but will only be charged and processed upon final release of version 5.0: http://www.ctmdev.com/sales.shtml -- MANAGING YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS TO POWERMAIL LISTS -- Here are a few links to help you manage your presence on our list server: To unsubscribe from the list that got you on this announcement, make sure that you are writing from the e-mail address you used when subscribing and double-click on the following link: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To be notified of the final release of PowerMail 5.0, just subscribe to PowerMail-announce (only 1 message per software update): mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to PowerMail-discuss in digest form (1 message per day): mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe to PowerMail-discuss in message form (average 3 to 15 msgs per day): mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: PowerMail 5
I've mentioned this before, but I didn't see it come up on the wishlist. In my opinion the highest priority should be to allow longer filenames in attachments. The truncation is a real problem. Ron
PowerMail 5
I can certainly come up with a wishlist, but an interesting alternative if PowerMail Dev can do it would be to publish to the list a brief synopsis of the spec for version 5. My thought is to include new or beefed up features, not necessarily every anticipated bug fix, etc. Wishlists might be relatively short. Bob
