Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
On Saturday, June 21, 2008, MB sent forth: Sean McBride said: Did you look at his screenshots? There was an attachment. That's his point. I'll repeat his words: PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame. There's no globe icon to 'view as html'. The email had _two italicised words_ and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show the message. Lame. This happens to me all the time too. This happens from time to time since a long time. I've started working on a script for integrating the attached HTML in the message, but ran into some issues. I plan to finsih it when I got the time. Also, it would be better if CTM let PM do the same thing automatically instead of a us having to use a script. Depending on the cause and widespread adoption of non-standard email, I think it's not to much to ask from PM to be able to handle erroneous incoming email and in some cases allow corrections to be made. Just received such a piece of e-mail from Sophos, of all people. For the record, Thunderbird (PC) had no problems with it although it did initially block the images for security reasons. I unblocked them and the full message displayed. PowerMail, on the other hand, gave me the blank page page with an HTML attachment. Most of my other HTML messages display automatically as I have the reader enabled with the HTML preference AND the autodownload of pictures both enabled. Funny thing is, some e-mail, notably Apple's, won't show me the images unless I then manually download them. Conclusion: the behaviour is definitely not universal and is specific to both the message and the e-mail client. We need some work done here, guys. -- Tim Lapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Intel iMacOS 10.4.11PowerMail 5.6.1 1 GB RAM 250 GB HD
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Michael Lewis sa såhär: I'd prefer that email programs didn't fix errors so that crappy email programs would finally die the deaths they deserve. if the crappy email apps are made by Microsoft, they won't die. Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Sean McBride said: Did you look at his screenshots? There was an attachment. That's his point. I'll repeat his words: PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame. There's no globe icon to 'view as html'. The email had _two italicised words_ and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show the message. Lame. This happens to me all the time too. This happens from time to time since a long time. I've started working on a script for integrating the attached HTML in the message, but ran into some issues. I plan to finsih it when I got the time. Also, it would be better if CTM let PM do the same thing automatically instead of a us having to use a script. Depending on the cause and widespread adoption of non-standard email, I think it's not to much to ask from PM to be able to handle erroneous incoming email and in some cases allow corrections to be made. Mikael Technoids: PM 5.6.3 build 4504 sv / SpamSieve 2.6.6 sv | OS X 10.4.8 | Powerbook G4/400 | 1GB / 80GB
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
cheshirekat ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) on 2008-6-19 5:09 PM said: Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail? Did you look at his screenshots? There was an attachment. That's his point. I'll repeat his words: PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame. There's no globe icon to 'view as html'. The email had _two italicised words_ and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show the message. Lame. This happens to me all the time too. Sean
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Dave N wrote: Look at the difference between the 2 programs viewing the SAME EXACT EMAIL. PowerMail shows me a totally blank message with a html attachment, with no provision for viewing the message. It's just blank. Lame. AppleMail shows me the message so I can read it. Obviously this is possible. Yes, PowerMail has some limitations when displaying complex messages, which contain mixed HTML and plain text parts, or multiple HTML parts. These limitations are not easy to fix: this would require modifying how messages are saved in PowerMail's database, and combining multiple parts in a single HTML view can produce unexpected results, depending on how the HTML parts are designed. We chose to handle these messages as if the HTML parts were attachments, so you can display them individually in the web browser. Also, although these messages are valid regarding the MIME standard, it is normally the job of the sending email client to format complex messages in a unique HTML part, rather than the receiving email client to handle multiple HTML or HTML+text parts. Jérôme - CTM Engineering - FABULOUS PRODUCT ! Wonderful ! A real Spotlight Killer ! I'm now able to locate content in documents that I KNEW was there but Spotlight couldn't find. FoxTrot Personal Search is far more efficient and displays a preview of the file when you hiighlight it. Janie Angus, Nevada Download a demo version from www.foxtrot.ch -
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Sean McBride sez: The email had _two italicised words_ and for that PowerMail needs to launch a 3rd Party application to show the message. Lame. This happens to me all the time too. Are we sure that the email in question followed the proper protocols for HTML mail? I bet it didn't if the HTML came out as an attachment. There should be a text portion that would show as text and the HTML portion that would show up if you have HTML turned on. If it is formatted properly, then the button should be there. Why is it PowerMail's fault if the sneding application can't format the mail properly? Just because other mail programs can catch a few errors and fix them on the fly, doesn't mean all of them can or should. I'd prefer that email programs didn't fix errors so that crappy email programs would finally die the deaths they deserve. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Hi Jérôme, Thanks for the explanation. It always helps to understand the problem. Whether we all like it or not, html mail is becoming more common, not less. So let's look forward to a solution. Would it be possible to let Webkit provide the services to view the html message within PowerMail? Could the complex message be assembled on the fly when there is a request to view a certain complex message? So maybe it would not be necessary to change the PM db structure, and still provide more robust viewing of html messages. This might also be helpful when the PowerMail user wants to reply to a blank message with html attachment, so the message text could be quoted (as plain text, or even, Gasp! in it's original format). That would be a labor-saving advancement. When I receive one of these html messages (as an attachment) I generally open the html attachment with Safari or FireFox, copy the text and run the script Replace Message Text with Clipboard to put this text into the received incoming message. Then I can delete the html attachment. If the incoming message displayed any text at all, then I add a step: after copying the text from the web browser, I paste it into TextWrangler, copy any text from the PM message, paste into Text Wrangler to assemble the entire desired message to save, then copy run that script to put this text into the incoming PM message. Kind of a lot of busy work that I don't always have time for. Here is the script for anyone that wants it. http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/scripts/Replace_with_clipboard.zip After Unzipping, drop this script into ~/Mail/PowerMail Files/Customs Scripts and restart PM. Perhaps this could be automated built into PowerMail? Or perhaps PowerMail can use Webkit to display the message on request? Or since AppleMail is scriptable and has a framework, (getting wild here) maybe PowerMail could send html messages to AppleMail for processing and return. Or even better, if PowerMail includes a a converter/html display engine so that PM will still work after Apple changes something again. None of us would want PM to break just because Apple changed something (again) in the OS or iApp. Somehow, there can be a solution. Best, Dave N in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), PowerMail Engineering's message of 5:12 AM, 6/20/08 Yes, PowerMail has some limitations when displaying complex messages, which contain mixed HTML and plain text parts, or multiple HTML parts. These limitations are not easy to fix: this would require modifying how messages are saved in PowerMail's database, and combining multiple parts in a single HTML view can produce unexpected results, depending on how the HTML parts are designed. We chose to handle these messages as if the HTML parts were attachments, so you can display them individually in the web browser. Also, although these messages are valid regarding the MIME standard, it is normally the job of the sending email client to format complex messages in a unique HTML part, rather than the receiving email client to handle multiple HTML or HTML+text parts. Jérôme - CTM Engineering
Re: HTML mail comparison PM vs AM
Isn't your HTML showing as an attachment in PowerMail? On Thu, Jun 19, 200812:22 PM, the following words from Dave N [EMAIL PROTECTED], emerged from a plethora of SPAM ... http://dave.sbamug.com/pmdisclist/PowerMail_msg.png -- Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom. -Marcel Proust * Mac Pro 2 GHz Quad Xeon * OS X 10.4.10 * 5 GB RAM *
