Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Mikael Byström]

Jim Pistrang suggested:

>I also bought eMailer when Guy told us to.  I encountered lots of
>problems converting to PowerMail until I discovered Emailchemy, that is
>definitely the way to go.

Not so for people needing to conserve umlauts in places like the email
address, like swedish or german. At least this was true for the version
of Emailchemy purchasable 2 years ago. It might have improved since so I
recommend anyone to try the current version before buying it to see
whether it works fine. Provided you have the need to conserve umlauts of
course.

The best solution for me however was to export with Dan Creviers script
"Export Selected Messages" inside the package available at . There's one
caveat and that is you will have problems if you have deleted an
account. If you need a version that can deal with that please contact
me, I don't think it's online, but I should have it somewhere. The
person who modified Dan's script might have it online, but I don't have
that info available right now.

Mikael

Tech facts:
PM 5.5.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/550Mhz | 1GB RAM | 80GB HD

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[T.L. Miller]

On 9/13/07, at 4:14 PM, Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>It was actually pretty slick!
>
>I did the Unix mailbox option, like Barbara mentioned. What you get is a 
>folder (you pick the name and location) that is full of unix mailbox 
>files. For example, my folder included:

Thanks. My Emailer database was one of the main reasons I have kept a
PPC Mac -- that and TypeStyler.  I know SheepShaver is supposed to work,
but haven't tried it.





Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Lyle D . Gunderson]

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:04:54 -0400, "T.L. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
appears to have written:
>
>On 9/12/07, at 10:23 AM, Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
>>Thanks, Jim and Barbara! I've downloaded Emailchemy and tried it out, and 
>>it converted 80,008 emails (how embarrassing!) with no problems.
>
>Very interesting! I have several years of messages in Emailer and have
>long figured importing into PowerMail could be more trouble than it was
>worth. Maybe I'll try it now.
>
>Were you able to choose which message folders in Emailer you wanted to
>transfer?

It was actually pretty slick!

I did the Unix mailbox option, like Barbara mentioned. What you get is a 
folder (you pick the name and location) that is full of unix mailbox 
files. For example, my folder included:

Archived/
Archived/Last Time.mailbox
Archived/This Time.mailbox
Archived/Time Before Last.mailbox
Deleted Mail.mailbox
Digests/
[too many to list here...]
Family/
Family/Mom.mailbox
Family/Sue.mailbox
Family/Sharkey.mailbox
Family.mailbox
>From Unknown Folks.mailbox
In Box.mailbox
Out Box.mailbox
Posts.mailbox
Read Mail.mailbox
Sent Mail.mailbox
Temp.mailbox
Zzyzzx.mailbox

Here, "Archived" is a folder that contains only other folders, named 
"Last Time", "This Time", and "Time Before Last". It had no mails in it 
that were not in those folders. The email that was in the three folders 
is in the three mailbox files listed.

"Family" had two folders in it, so there is a Mom.mailbox, a Sue.mailbox 
and a Sharkey.mailbox, but it also had emails in it, so there is also a 
Family.mailbox file.

You can, of course, go as deep as you like. The folder structure in 
Emailer is mirrored in the folder structure on your Mac, with the emails 
in any folder being put into a mailbox file, and folders being put in, 
well, folders.

When you go to import your email, PowerMail will for some reason assume 
you want to import just the mail from one mailbox. You can do that, by 
selecting it from the file selection dialog that comes up, or, if you 
want to import a folder (and its subfolders), cancel the file selection 
dialog and choose "All e-mail databases from folder" in the "PowerMail 
will import" dialog that you will see. When you choose the radio button, 
the "Select..." button becomes active, and you can pick the folder you 
want.

I picked the top level folder and went out to dinner. When I got back, 
all those emails were in PowerMail, in a folder named after the folder I 
imported them from. Pretty cool.

One thing you can do is use the opportunity to re-organize your folders! 
Move the folders around in the Finder, and that's how they will show up 
on PowerMail. So if your "Friends" folder had subfolders named "Tall 
Friends" and "Short Friends", you could create new subfolders named "Nice 
Friends" and "Creepy Friends", and sort all your friends' mailbox files 
into those.

Download the demo and try it! It doesn't disturb your Emailer flles at 
all, and if you create a new user environment to play in, you won't 
disturb your PowerMail setup, either.

Have fun,

--Lyle

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[T.L. Miller]

On 9/12/07, at 10:23 AM, Lyle D. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>Thanks, Jim and Barbara! I've downloaded Emailchemy and tried it out, and 
>it converted 80,008 emails (how embarrassing!) with no problems.

Very interesting! I have several years of messages in Emailer and have
long figured importing into PowerMail could be more trouble than it was
worth. Maybe I'll try it now.

Were you able to choose which message folders in Emailer you wanted to
transfer?





Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Barbara Needham]

Lyle D. Gunderson on 9/12/07 said

>On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:17:07 -0400, "Jim Pistrang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> appears 
>to have written:
>>
>>Hi Lyle,
>>
>>>I recall there being discussed a limitation on how many messages you 
>>>could import into or have in your email database with PowerMail. Or maybe 
>>>it was the size of the database that is the limit. I've searched my 
>>>archive of powermail-discuss digests, and can find only a reference to a 
>>>2 GB limitation on database size. I've gots tens of thousands of messages 
>>>in Emailer.
>>
>>To add to Barbara's great reply...
>>
>>I have over 50,000 messages in my PowerMail database, and the database
>>size is currently less than 350 MB.
>>
>>I also bought eMailer when Guy told us to.  I encountered lots of
>>problems converting to PowerMail until I discovered Emailchemy, that is
>>definitely the way to go.
>
>Thanks, Jim and Barbara! I've downloaded Emailchemy and tried it out, and 
>it converted 80,008 emails (how embarrassing!) with no problems.
>
>Did I do it right? I told Emailchemy to use the "Standard Mailbox File" 
>format, then used PowerMail's import to bring the messages in. I created 
>a test user environment (a very nice feature of PowerMail, btw) for the 
>test. 
>
>All the messages showed up, but lines of text were broken in mid-word 
>when they are OK in the mailbox file, and html emails had their html and 
>images attached instead of inline. Is this normal? PowerMail seems to be 
>able to handle html emails and images just fine when it downloads them 
>from a mail server. Is there a setting I'm missing or a better way to 
>import the email? Maybe the fact that emailer is so clueless about html 
>and images is why those show up as attachments, but it would be nice if 
>the lines got broken in a less clueless way.

I think PowerMail is happiest with Unix mail box. Is that the same as
what you did?
-- 
Barbara Needham

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Lyle D . Gunderson]

On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:17:07 -0400, "Jim Pistrang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> appears 
to have written:
>
>Hi Lyle,
>
>>I recall there being discussed a limitation on how many messages you 
>>could import into or have in your email database with PowerMail. Or maybe 
>>it was the size of the database that is the limit. I've searched my 
>>archive of powermail-discuss digests, and can find only a reference to a 
>>2 GB limitation on database size. I've gots tens of thousands of messages 
>>in Emailer.
>
>To add to Barbara's great reply...
>
>I have over 50,000 messages in my PowerMail database, and the database
>size is currently less than 350 MB.
>
>I also bought eMailer when Guy told us to.  I encountered lots of
>problems converting to PowerMail until I discovered Emailchemy, that is
>definitely the way to go.

Thanks, Jim and Barbara! I've downloaded Emailchemy and tried it out, and 
it converted 80,008 emails (how embarrassing!) with no problems.

Did I do it right? I told Emailchemy to use the "Standard Mailbox File" 
format, then used PowerMail's import to bring the messages in. I created 
a test user environment (a very nice feature of PowerMail, btw) for the 
test. 

All the messages showed up, but lines of text were broken in mid-word 
when they are OK in the mailbox file, and html emails had their html and 
images attached instead of inline. Is this normal? PowerMail seems to be 
able to handle html emails and images just fine when it downloads them 
from a mail server. Is there a setting I'm missing or a better way to 
import the email? Maybe the fact that emailer is so clueless about html 
and images is why those show up as attachments, but it would be nice if 
the lines got broken in a less clueless way.

Thanks in advance,

--Lyle

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Jim Pistrang]

Hi Lyle,

>I recall there being discussed a limitation on how many messages you 
>could import into or have in your email database with PowerMail. Or maybe 
>it was the size of the database that is the limit. I've searched my 
>archive of powermail-discuss digests, and can find only a reference to a 
>2 GB limitation on database size. I've gots tens of thousands of messages 
>in Emailer.

To add to Barbara's great reply...

I have over 50,000 messages in my PowerMail database, and the database
size is currently less than 350 MB.

I also bought eMailer when Guy told us to.  I encountered lots of
problems converting to PowerMail until I discovered Emailchemy, that is
definitely the way to go.

Jim

-- 
Jim Pistrang
JP Computer Resources
Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network 
413-256-4569

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Barbara Needham]

Lyle D. Gunderson on 9/10/07 said

>
>I, too, am about to migrate, with reluctance, from Emailer. I bought it 
>on Guy Kawasaki's recommendation, if that tells you how long I've been 
>using it.
>
>I recall there being discussed a limitation on how many messages you 
>could import into or have in your email database with PowerMail. Or maybe 
>it was the size of the database that is the limit. I've searched my 
>archive of powermail-discuss digests, and can find only a reference to a 
>2 GB limitation on database size. I've gots tens of thousands of messages 
>in Emailer.
>
>Are there any other limitations I should know about? I'm about to buy 
>EmailChemy anyway, since that looks like the way to go. If there are 
>limits to what can be imported, I can always go into Emailer and create a 
>truncated version of the Emailer database that cuts off at some point in 
>the past. Or something.
>
>Also, does EmailChemy import attachments in a decent fashion? I have been 
>deleting spam from Emailer for quite some time without deleting the 
>attachments, and I'm assuming that orphaned ones will be left behind and 
>the good ones (attached to email that I'm importing) will come along 
>somehow. Do the attachments use up space in the database?

The attachments do not take up space in the database.

There is a number of mails limit for the trial version, not for the
registered version.

There is a 2 gb limit for the powermail database. Reaching this limit can
be staved off for a while [assuming one wants to keep all their e-mails]
by compacting the database.

It is also possible to have your old e-mails in an Old User Environment
[by creating a New User Environment .. no new registration needed] and I
think the search will include both.


-- 
Barbara Needham

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Lyle D . Gunderson]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:56:10 -0500, "MLJames" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
appears to have written:
>
>>Hi Mary Lou,
>>
>>I am using the current version of PowerMail 5.5.3 and it DOES still have
>>an "Import from Claris Emailer" feature. Pull File Menu to "Database" to
>>"Import". Next screen asks for the location of your Emailer application,
>>and your choice of address book, messages, or both. 
>>
>>PowerMail demo only allows a limited number of emails. 200, if I
>>remember correctly. So don't even try to import all your CE Emails into
>>the PM Demo. Maybe just 1 folder of a few emails, just to see it work. 
>>
>>In my experience, the PowerMail import from Claris Emailer worked (via
>>applescript through OSX/OS9 classic barrier), but not very well for 7
>>years of heavy CE email usage (no doubt with some db corruption). If you
>>have a lot of email, I would definitely recommend EmailChemy to do the
>>migration- it's a lot better and faster. I'm surprised that CTMDev
>>doesn't offer it as a bundle. 
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>Best,
>> Dave Nathanson
>> Mac Medix
>
>
>Thanks Dave. And yes I do have a lot of e-mail.since 1995 or so. I 
>have ordered Emailchemy.

I, too, am about to migrate, with reluctance, from Emailer. I bought it 
on Guy Kawasaki's recommendation, if that tells you how long I've been 
using it.

I recall there being discussed a limitation on how many messages you 
could import into or have in your email database with PowerMail. Or maybe 
it was the size of the database that is the limit. I've searched my 
archive of powermail-discuss digests, and can find only a reference to a 
2 GB limitation on database size. I've gots tens of thousands of messages 
in Emailer.

Are there any other limitations I should know about? I'm about to buy 
EmailChemy anyway, since that looks like the way to go. If there are 
limits to what can be imported, I can always go into Emailer and create a 
truncated version of the Emailer database that cuts off at some point in 
the past. Or something.

Also, does EmailChemy import attachments in a decent fashion? I have been 
deleting spam from Emailer for quite some time without deleting the 
attachments, and I'm assuming that orphaned ones will be left behind and 
the good ones (attached to email that I'm importing) will come along 
somehow. Do the attachments use up space in the database?

Thanks,

--Lyle

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[MLJames]

>Hi Mary Lou,
>
>I am using the current version of PowerMail 5.5.3 and it DOES still have
>an "Import from Claris Emailer" feature. Pull File Menu to "Database" to
>"Import". Next screen asks for the location of your Emailer application,
>and your choice of address book, messages, or both. 
>
>PowerMail demo only allows a limited number of emails. 200, if I
>remember correctly. So don't even try to import all your CE Emails into
>the PM Demo. Maybe just 1 folder of a few emails, just to see it work. 
>
>In my experience, the PowerMail import from Claris Emailer worked (via
>applescript through OSX/OS9 classic barrier), but not very well for 7
>years of heavy CE email usage (no doubt with some db corruption). If you
>have a lot of email, I would definitely recommend EmailChemy to do the
>migration- it's a lot better and faster. I'm surprised that CTMDev
>doesn't offer it as a bundle. 
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Best,
> Dave Nathanson
> Mac Medix


Thanks Dave. And yes I do have a lot of e-mail.since 1995 or so. I 
have ordered Emailchemy.

Mary Lou

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Dave N]

Hi Mary Lou,

I am using the current version of PowerMail 5.5.3 and it DOES still have
an "Import from Claris Emailer" feature. Pull File Menu to "Database" to
"Import". Next screen asks for the location of your Emailer application,
and your choice of address book, messages, or both. 

PowerMail demo only allows a limited number of emails. 200, if I
remember correctly. So don't even try to import all your CE Emails into
the PM Demo. Maybe just 1 folder of a few emails, just to see it work. 

In my experience, the PowerMail import from Claris Emailer worked (via
applescript through OSX/OS9 classic barrier), but not very well for 7
years of heavy CE email usage (no doubt with some db corruption). If you
have a lot of email, I would definitely recommend EmailChemy to do the
migration- it's a lot better and faster. I'm surprised that CTMDev
doesn't offer it as a bundle. 

Hope this helps.

Best,
 Dave Nathanson
 Mac Medix

in reply to ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), MLJames's message of 5:22 AM, 8/20/07

>
>I do not see the "Migration from Claris Emailer" option in the pop up 
>menu.   Why not?
>
>Mary Lou

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[MLJames]

>Hi Mary Lou,
>
>>Hmmm. Any ideas?
>
>I don't remember the details (it was quite a while ago) but I too had a
>lot of difficulty moving my large eMailer database into PowerMail.  I
>ended up purchasing a 3rd party utility and it worked very well:
>
>Emailchemy  
>
>hth
>
>Jim


I  ordered it a few days ago as it was also recommended by Claris Emailer 
veterans now tasked with leaving Claris Emailer and Classic to migrate to 
Intel machines. 

Thanks Jim.

Mary Lou

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Jim Pistrang]

Hi Mary Lou,

>Hmmm. Any ideas?

I don't remember the details (it was quite a while ago) but I too had a
lot of difficulty moving my large eMailer database into PowerMail.  I
ended up purchasing a 3rd party utility and it worked very well:

Emailchemy  

hth

Jim

-- 
Jim Pistrang
JP Computer Resources
Certified Member, Apple Consultants Network 
413-256-4569

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[MLJames]

>Am/On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:22:04 -0500 schrieb/wrote MLJames:
>
>>I downloaded the 30 day trial of PowerMail. I successfully imported 
>>addresses but I am confused about importing messages. 
>>
>>The manual states" 
>>
>>1. Using PowerMail's Apple Event based direct import facility: This the 
>>most obvious method to import messages: the PowerMail team spent over 
>>five weeks writing and tuning this code; Select Import in the File / 
>>Database submenu, then choose "Migration from Claris Emailer". Click the 
>>right arrow button, and select your Emailer application. Unlike other 
>>import methods, you will not be prompted to select a file to import but a 
>>Claris Emailer application instead that will be used to extract the data. 
>>PowerMail attempts to locate this application automatically, but you may 
>>have to select it yourself if you have more than one copy installed. Be 
>>sure to select a copy of Emailer version 2.0v3 and not version 1.1, since 
>>the latter is unable to export. When this is done, click the "Go Ahead" 
>>button."
>>
>>
>>
>>I do not see the "Migration from Claris Emailer" option in the pop up 
>>menu.   Why not?
>
>if memory serves me right, this option was abandoned with v5.
>So you might want to try v4 or 3, which imho still can be downloaded.
>Once you created your PowerMail database you can update to the current
>version.
>
>Thanks and all the best
>
>Matthias


I downloaded version 3 and you were right, it does give you the  
"Migration from Claris Emailer" option. I tried importing and after 19 
messages, the application quit. I tried importing again, and the option 
no longer appeared. I trashe all my powermail applications and 
preferences ( I think I trashed them all unless there exists something 
that does not have "powermail" or "pm" in it( and doenloaded version 3 
again. I trashed everything again, donloaded version 4 and still no 
option. The option is no longer there. Hmmm. Any ideas?


Mary Lou

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[DZAHNISER]

I do not see the "Migration from Claris Emailer" option in the pop up
menu.   Why not?


if memory serves me right, this option was abandoned with v5.
So you might want to try v4 or 3, which imho still can be downloaded.
Once you created your PowerMail database you can update to the current
version.


Version 4 is a Carbon application, which will run under Mac OS X...


--
Don V. Zahniser

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[MLJames]

>Am/On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:22:04 -0500 schrieb/wrote MLJames:
>
>>I downloaded the 30 day trial of PowerMail. I successfully imported 
>>addresses but I am confused about importing messages. 
>>
>>The manual states" 
>>
>>1. Using PowerMail's Apple Event based direct import facility: This the 
>>most obvious method to import messages: the PowerMail team spent over 
>>five weeks writing and tuning this code; Select Import in the File / 
>>Database submenu, then choose "Migration from Claris Emailer". Click the 
>>right arrow button, and select your Emailer application. Unlike other 
>>import methods, you will not be prompted to select a file to import but a 
>>Claris Emailer application instead that will be used to extract the data. 
>>PowerMail attempts to locate this application automatically, but you may 
>>have to select it yourself if you have more than one copy installed. Be 
>>sure to select a copy of Emailer version 2.0v3 and not version 1.1, since 
>>the latter is unable to export. When this is done, click the "Go Ahead" 
>>button."
>>
>>
>>
>>I do not see the "Migration from Claris Emailer" option in the pop up 
>>menu.   Why not?
>
>if memory serves me right, this option was abandoned with v5.
>So you might want to try v4 or 3, which imho still can be downloaded.
>Once you created your PowerMail database you can update to the current
>version.
>
>Thanks and all the best
>
>Matthias


Thanks.

Mary Lou

Re: Migration from Claris Emailer

[Matthias Schmidt]

Am/On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:22:04 -0500 schrieb/wrote MLJames:

>I downloaded the 30 day trial of PowerMail. I successfully imported 
>addresses but I am confused about importing messages. 
>
>The manual states" 
>
>1. Using PowerMail's Apple Event based direct import facility: This the 
>most obvious method to import messages: the PowerMail team spent over 
>five weeks writing and tuning this code; Select Import in the File / 
>Database submenu, then choose "Migration from Claris Emailer". Click the 
>right arrow button, and select your Emailer application. Unlike other 
>import methods, you will not be prompted to select a file to import but a 
>Claris Emailer application instead that will be used to extract the data. 
>PowerMail attempts to locate this application automatically, but you may 
>have to select it yourself if you have more than one copy installed. Be 
>sure to select a copy of Emailer version 2.0v3 and not version 1.1, since 
>the latter is unable to export. When this is done, click the "Go Ahead" 
>button."
>
>
>
>I do not see the "Migration from Claris Emailer" option in the pop up 
>menu.   Why not?

if memory serves me right, this option was abandoned with v5.
So you might want to try v4 or 3, which imho still can be downloaded.
Once you created your PowerMail database you can update to the current
version.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias