Strange bug.

[Derry Thompson]

With the RC of 5.5. If I copy something from Powemail, when switch to
Tex-Edit ,  I eventually get an error of
"Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard" after a few seconds of
complete slowdown. This didn't happen with 5.2. I can paste into other
apps from PowerMail just fine, and can paste from other apps into Tex-
edit just fine. 


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Re: Strange bug.

[Jim Pistrang]

Hi Derry,

>With the RC of 5.5. If I copy something from Powemail, when switch to
>Tex-Edit ,  I eventually get an error of
>"Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard" after a few seconds of
>complete slowdown. This didn't happen with 5.2. I can paste into other
>apps from PowerMail just fine, and can paste from other apps into Tex-
>edit just fine. 

I just copied/pasted the text of your email with no problem.  Tried it
with Text-Edit and with TextWrangler.

Jim

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Re: Strange bug.

[Derry Thompson]

Jim Pistrang at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:43:46 -0400

>I just copied/pasted the text of your email with no problem.  Tried it
>with Text-Edit and with TextWrangler.
>
>Jim

Right, but did you try Tex-Edit :)

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Re: Strange bug.

[T.L. Miller]

On 10/10/06, at 2:33 PM, Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>With the RC of 5.5. If I copy something from Powemail, when switch to
>Tex-Edit ,  I eventually get an error of
>"Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard" after a few seconds of
>complete slowdown. This didn't happen with 5.2. I can paste into other
>apps from PowerMail just fine, and can paste from other apps into Tex-
>edit just fine. 

I just copy & pasted this from Tex-Edit Plus 4.9.7. I had copy & pasted
your message (PM 5.5) into T-E P first w/o incident.


Tom Miller
..
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as  
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark 
...

Re: Strange bug.

[Derry Thompson]

T.L. Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:57:02 -0400

>I just copy & pasted this from Tex-Edit Plus 4.9.7. I had copy & pasted
>your message (PM 5.5) into T-E P first w/o incident.


Still doesn't work here. It's rock solid, 100% consistent failure on
three Macs. 

You on Intel? 


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Re: Strange bug.

[T.L. Miller]

On 10/10/06, at 8:40 PM, Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>T.L. Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:57:02 -0400
>
>>I just copy & pasted this from Tex-Edit Plus 4.9.7. I had copy & pasted
>>your message (PM 5.5) into T-E P first w/o incident.
>
>
>Still doesn't work here. It's rock solid, 100% consistent failure on
>three Macs. 
>
>You on Intel? 


yes

Re: Strange bug.

[T.L. Miller]

>Still doesn't work here. It's rock solid, 100% consistent failure on
>three Macs. 
>
>You on Intel? 


yes

The above was copy & pasted from an older version of PM to an old
version of T-E P and then back to this new message on a G4 PB and it
still works. Maybe I am misunderstanding the problem.

Re: Strange bug.

[Derry Thompson]

T.L. Miller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:07:32 -0400

>The above was copy & pasted from an older version of PM to an old
>version of T-E P and then back to this new message on a G4 PB and it
>still works. Maybe I am misunderstanding the problem.

The problem is copying from PowerMail 5.5fc1 and pasting into Tex-Edit 4.9.7. 

The Mac slows right down, and after 15-20 secs an error message appears
saying "Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard".

This is on a MacBook Pro running 10.4.8, and 2 Intel iMacs running 10.4.8.

There's no problem with older versions of Powermail. 

Pasting into Tex-Edit 4.8.1 from Powermail 5.5 also errors. 



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Re: Strange bug.

[Damienn]

From Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006-10-10 15.33 (+0100 GMT)

>With the RC of 5.5. If I copy something from Powemail, when switch to
>Tex-Edit ,  I eventually get an error of
>"Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard" after a few seconds of
>complete slowdown. This didn't happen with 5.2. I can paste into other
>apps from PowerMail just fine, and can paste from other apps into Tex-
>edit just fine.

Yes, I can also reproduce this, using Tex-Edit Plus 4.9.2.

The interesting thing is, that if I use Tex-Edit's "Paste Unstyled" (Opt-
Cmd-V) from the "Copy & Paste Special" menu, then I can paste the copied
text from PowerMail.

And this makes me wonder: Are text strings in PowerMail somehow get
STYLED (or get some kind of extra code which differs from pure (ASCII-text)?

Damienn
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Re: Strange bug.

[Marco Piovanelli]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:11:54 +0200,
Damienn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:


>From Derry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006-10-10 15.33 (+0100 GMT)
>
>>With the RC of 5.5. If I copy something from Powemail, when switch to
>>Tex-Edit ,  I eventually get an error of
>>"Nothing can be pasted from the clipboard" after a few seconds of
>>complete slowdown. This didn't happen with 5.2. I can paste into other
>>apps from PowerMail just fine, and can paste from other apps into Tex-
>>edit just fine. 
>
>Yes, I can also reproduce this, using Tex-Edit Plus 4.9.2.
>
>The interesting thing is, that if I use Tex-Edit's "Paste Unstyled" (Opt-
>Cmd-V) from the "Copy & Paste Special" menu, then I can paste the copied
>text from PowerMail.
>
>And this makes me wonder: Are text strings in PowerMail somehow get
>STYLED (or get some kind of extra code which differs from pure (ASCII-text)?

Yes, PowerMail puts styled text (TEXT + styl) on the clipboard,
even if it only has to copy plain text.  This may sound strange,
but it's actually necessary with pre-Unicode text because the
style part carries text encoding information, without which the
receiving application wouldn't be able to determine whether the
original text was Roman, Cyrillic, Japanese, or whatever.
Remember, ASCII is only good for English text -- you can't properly
represent French or German with ASCII, let alone non-Roman
languages.

As for the bug with Tex-Edit Plus you're seeing, this is due
to additional, WASTE-specific data put on the clipboard by
PowerMail in a format that chokes Tex-Edit Plus (itself a
WASTE-based editor).  CTM engineering is taking care of this
issue as I write.


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They want to turn it into a one-way flow that they have entirely
monetized. I look at the collective human mind as a kind of
ecosystem. They want to clear cut it. They want to go into the
rainforest of human thought and mow the thing down.

Re: Strange bug.

[Damienn]

From Marco Piovanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2006-10-11 16.50 (+0200 GMT)

>Yes, PowerMail puts styled text (TEXT + styl) on the clipboard,
>even if it only has to copy plain text.  This may sound strange,
>but it's actually necessary with pre-Unicode text because the
>style part carries text encoding information, without which the
>receiving application wouldn't be able to determine whether the
>original text was Roman, Cyrillic, Japanese, or whatever.
>Remember, ASCII is only good for English text -- you can't properly
>represent French or German with ASCII, let alone non-Roman
>languages.

Yes, of course. My mistake writing "ASCII" as I'm aware of the
limitations of ASCII. What I meant (and should have written) was:
'styled text, other than text encoding information'.

>As for the bug with Tex-Edit Plus you're seeing, this is due
>to additional, WASTE-specific data put on the clipboard by
>PowerMail in a format that chokes Tex-Edit Plus (itself a
>WASTE-based editor).  CTM engineering is taking care of this
>issue as I write.

I'm glad this discussion leads to some improvement of PowerMail.
Thanks for the explanations!

Damienn
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composed entirely of lost airline luggage. - Mark Russell
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Re: Strange bug.

[Derry Thompson]

Marco Piovanelli at [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on Wed, 11 Oct 2006
16:50:35 +0200

>As for the bug with Tex-Edit Plus you're seeing, this is due
>to additional, WASTE-specific data put on the clipboard by
>PowerMail in a format that chokes Tex-Edit Plus (itself a
>WASTE-based editor).  CTM engineering is taking care of this
>issue as I write.


Excellent. Thank you. 

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Re: Strange bug.

[PowerMail Engineering]

Damienn wrote:

>And this makes me wonder: Are text strings in PowerMail somehow get
>STYLED (or get some kind of extra code which differs from pure (ASCII-text)?

In addition to the need to copy the text encoding informations, text is
copied with PowerMail's formatting: the fonts you defined in the
preferences, and the color of URLs and quoted text.

And yes, this will be fixed in the final release, as well as the 256
users licence problem, and copying from the address book. Thanks for
these reports.


Jérôme - PowerMail Engineering


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Re: Strange bug.

[Mikael Byström]

PowerMail Engineering said:

> text is
>copied with PowerMail's formatting: the fonts you defined in the
>preferences, and the color of URLs and quoted text.

Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in Ragtime
6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the context
(paragraph)?

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Re: Strange bug.

[Rick Lecoat]

Mikael;

Just to clarify your question: Do you mean that text that is copied out
of PM and pasted into (for example) OmniOutliner should take its
formatting from the paragraph that it is pasted into?

If so, then what this needs is a quick way of stripping formatting out
of text held on the clipboard. And I have just the utility to do it.
Actually it's a 2-parter: a utility and a plug in for the utility.

The utility is Spark , which is a simple keyboard shortcut tool. Set it to launch at login.

And there is a neat plugin for Spark called Plain Clip Plug  that lets you assign a
keyboard shortcut to strip out all formatting. (I use F16). You can even
have the shortcut include the paste command, although I find that a bit
invasive.

I copy text (be it HTML, formatted Word text, whatever), hit F16, and
paste it. Blam, it's now plain text and picks up whatever contextual
format it finds itself in.

Of course, if I misunderstood your needs then this will be no use to you
at all.
Rick

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Received from Mikael Byström on 13/10/06 at 00:36

>Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in Ragtime
>6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the context
>(paragraph)?

Re: Strange bug.

[PowerMail Engineering]

Mikael Byström wrote:

>Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in Ragtime
>6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the context
>(paragraph)?

In OmniOutliner, "paste with current style" (option-shift-command-V). In
Word, "paste special". In some other apps, option-command-V does the job...


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Re: Strange bug.

[Mikael Byström]

Rick Lecoat said it like this:

>Do you mean that text that is copied out
>of PM and pasted into (for example) OmniOutliner should take its
>formatting from the paragraph that it is pasted into?
Yes! But from copied text from any app of course.

>If so, then what this needs is a quick way of stripping formatting out
>of text held on the clipboard. And I have just the utility to do it.
>Actually it's a 2-parter: a utility and a plug in for the utility. 
Great. I downloaded and will check it out. Many thanks!

 
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Re: Strange bug.

[Mikael Byström]

PowerMail Engineering sa såhär:

>In OmniOutliner, "paste with current style" (option-shift-command-V). In
>Word, "paste special". In some other apps, option-command-V does the job...

Thanks! Now, how did I miss that in OmniOutliner

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Stripping font and style from clipboard, WAS: Re(2): Strange bug.

[Alan Harper]

I keep a script in my User Scripts Folder for just this purpose. I just
changed it (from a version that was PPC only), so there might be some
problems, but try creating the following script in AppleScript Editor

try
get the clipboard
get result as text
get result as record
get «class ktxt» of result
set the clipboard to result
end try

and save it as "Strip Clip Style" (or your favorite name) in ~/Library/
Scripts.

You can also paste into a "style-less" text editor like BBEdit and then copy.

Alan

Mikael Byström said at Fri, Oct 13, 2006 4:36 PM -0700:

>PowerMail Engineering said:
>
>> text is
>>copied with PowerMail's formatting: the fonts you defined in the
>>preferences, and the color of URLs and quoted text.
>
>Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in Ragtime
>6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the context
>(paragraph)?
>
>PM 5.2.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/400Mhz | 1GB RAM | 30GB HD
>
>
>
>

Re: Stripping font and style from clipboard, WAS: Re(2): Strange bug.

[Andy Fragen]

There's a much simpler method.

#!/bin/sh
pbpaste | pbcopy

I save the above shell script and converted to an small application  
using Platypus or some other app that will make a script into an  
application.


Copy the text, run the app/script, then paste the text.

Andy

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On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Alan Harper wrote:

I keep a script in my User Scripts Folder for just this purpose. I  
just

changed it (from a version that was PPC only), so there might be some
problems, but try creating the following script in AppleScript Editor

try
get the clipboard
get result as text
get result as record
get «class ktxt» of result
set the clipboard to result
end try

and save it as "Strip Clip Style" (or your favorite name) in ~/ 
Library/

Scripts.

You can also paste into a "style-less" text editor like BBEdit and  
then copy.


Alan

Mikael Byström said at Fri, Oct 13, 2006 4:36 PM -0700:


PowerMail Engineering said:


text is
copied with PowerMail's formatting: the fonts you defined in the
preferences, and the color of URLs and quoted text.


Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in  
Ragtime
6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the  
context

(paragraph)?

PM 5.2.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/400Mhz | 1GB RAM |  
30GB HD

Re: Stripping font and style from clipboard, WAS: Re(2): Strange bug.

[Andy Fragen]

If you want to do this via AppleScript then just save the following  
as a script.



do shell command "pbpaste | pbcopy"


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Andy Fragen


On Oct 14, 2006, at 3:14 PM, Andy Fragen wrote:


There's a much simpler method.

#!/bin/sh
pbpaste | pbcopy

I save the above shell script and converted to an small application
using Platypus or some other app that will make a script into an
application.

Copy the text, run the app/script, then paste the text.

Andy

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On Oct 13, 2006, at 9:37 AM, Alan Harper wrote:


I keep a script in my User Scripts Folder for just this purpose. I
just
changed it (from a version that was PPC only), so there might be some
problems, but try creating the following script in AppleScript Editor

try
get the clipboard
get result as text
get result as record
get «class ktxt» of result
set the clipboard to result
end try

and save it as "Strip Clip Style" (or your favorite name) in ~/
Library/
Scripts.

You can also paste into a "style-less" text editor like BBEdit and
then copy.

Alan

Mikael Byström said at Fri, Oct 13, 2006 4:36 PM -0700:


PowerMail Engineering said:


text is
copied with PowerMail's formatting: the fonts you defined in the
preferences, and the color of URLs and quoted text.


Anyone know how to get pasted text in any app or specifically in
Ragtime
6, OmniOutliner 3 and Word to adjust font, size and color to the
context
(paragraph)?

PM 5.2.3 Swedish | OS X 10.4.5 | Powerbook G4/400Mhz | 1GB RAM |
30GB HD