Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
dear pak Nug, i have been following obama's campaign actually from quite some time... and actually if u re scroll down my previous email, never once i mentioned that i favored mc'cain, pls dont change the subject. - Original Message From: Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 12:20:19 PM Subject: Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar carla, sila google juga mccain lies dan mccain iraq. saya heran ada perempuan menyukai orang yang berhati kejam dan pembunuh sesamanya di belahan dunia lain. jangan terlalu sentimental terhadap mccain semata karena dia rajin kotbah di gereja dan gigih membela israel. yesus pasti sedih melihat orang kristen seperti dia. obama memang tak pernah menjadi jaksa, tapi itu tak menjadikan dia kurang kompeten untuk menjadi presiden amerika. apa yang anda maksud sebagai gereja rasis? ayolah carla, anda tahu sejarah gereja kulit hitam di amerika yang berdiri karena diskriminasi rasial kaum kulit putih. kulit hitam tak boleh mengikuti kebaktian di gereja kulit putih padahal mereka sama-sama kristen! sebagai orang indonesia kepentingan saya jelas di indonesia. saya percaya bila obama menjadi presiden dia bisa membawa kebaikan ke seluruh dunia, termasuk ke indonesia. kepentingan anda dimana, carla? berikut ini komentar seorang pemirsa tentang tayangan kotbah pendeta obama yang terus menerus disiarkan fox news. Posted by Gail on April 1, 2008, 1:02 pm FOX NEWS is completely full of bias right wing conservatives who have taken their control over the media and brought a disgrace to the American public. They were also the ones behind the whole controversy of Barrack being Muslim and NOW they are pulling this pastor business up out of their ass. No other station has any interest in this and does not replay over and OVER and OVER the same misconstrued news clip or reporting quite like this. They should be taken off the air. This should be illegal soal polling obama vs mccain, lihat data yang saya ambil dari realclearpolitics. com dibawah ini. lihat spread di antara keduanya dalam polling dari november tahun lalu sampai maret tahun ini. See All General Election: McCain vs. Obama Commentary News Stories Polling Data PollDateSampleObama (D)McCain (R)UndSpread RCP Average03/18 - 03/31-44.244. 48.8McCain +0.2 Rasmussen Tracking03/28 - 03/311700 LV414712McCain +6.0 Gallup Tracking03/27 - 03/314409 RV44464McCain +2.0 NBC/WSJ03/24 - 03/25800 RV44427Obama +2.0 Pew Research03/19 - 03/221,248 RV49438Obama +6.0 FOX News03/18 - 03/19900 RV434413McCain +1.0 CBS News03/15 - 03/18RV48436Obama +5.0 CNN03/14 - 03/16950 RV47461Obama +1.0 USA Today/Gallup03/ 14 - 03/15685 LV49473Obama +2.0 Reuters/Zogby03/ 13 - 03/141004 LV4046--McCain +6.0 NBC/WSJ03/07 - 03/101,012 RV47445Obama +3.0 Cook/RT Strategies03/ 06 - 03/09802 RV434511McCain +2.0 Newsweek03/05 - 03/061,215 RV46459Obama +1.0 Cook/RT Strategies02/ 28 - 03/02802 RV473812Obama +9.0 ABC/Wash Post02/28 - 03/02LV53423Obama +11.0 LA Times/Bloomberg02/ 21 - 02/25RV42449McCain +2.0 AP-Ipsos02/22 - 02/24755 RV51412Obama +10.0 USA Today/Gallup02/ 21 - 02/241653 LV47482McCain +1.0 CBS News/NY Times02/20 - 02/241115 RV50387Obama +12.0 Pew Research02/20 - 02/241240 RV50437Obama +7.0 FOX News02/19 - 02/20900 RV474310Obama +4.0 Hotline/FD02/ 14 - 02/17803 RV48409Obama +8.0 Reuters/Zogby02/ 13 - 02/16928 LV474013Obama +7.0 USA Today/Gallup02/ 08 - 02/10706 LV50464Obama +4.0 AP-Ipsos02/07 - 02/101,029 A48428Obama +6.0 Time02/01 - 02/04958 LV48416Obama +7.0 CNN02/01 - 02/03974 RV52444Obama +8.0 Cook/RT Strategies01/ 31 - 02/02855 RV45439Obama +2.0 ABC/Wash Post01/30 - 02/011249 A49463Obama +3.0 FOX News01/30 - 01/31900 RV444313Obama +1.0 NPR01/29 - 01/311000 LV47483McCain +1.0 Rasmussen01/ 25 - 01/271200 LV414712McCain +6.0 NBC/WSJ01/20 - 01/221008 A42426Tie LA Times/Bloomberg01/ 18 - 01/221312 RV414212McCain +1.0 Rasmussen01/ 16 - 01/17800 LV464113Obama +5.0 USA Today/Gallup01/ 10 - 01/131106 LV45502McCain +5.0 Hotline/FD01/ 10 - 01/12803 RV413911Obama +2.0 CNN01/09 - 01/10840 RV4948--Obama +1.0 Rasmussen01/ 04 - 01/06800 LV434611McCain +3.0 FOX News12/18 - 12/19900 RV404417McCain +4.0 Zogby12/12 - 12/141000 LV474310Obama +4.0 CNN12/06 - 12/09RV48481Tie Rasmussen11/ 26 - 11/27800 LV12Tie Rasmussen11/ 16 - 11/17800 LV464311Obama +3.0 Gallup11/11 - 11/14897 RV47444Obama +3.0 Quinnipiac10/ 23 - 10/291636 RV43438Tie LA Times/Bloomberg10/ 19 - 10/22522 RV443613Obama +8.0 FOX News09/25 - 09/26900 RV403822Obama +2.0 Rasmussen09/ 19 - 09/20800 LV464113Obama +5.0 Quinnipiac08/ 07 - 08/131545 LV433911Obama +4.0 Rasmussen08/ 01 - 08/02800 LV464014Obama +6.0 FOX News07/17 - 07/18900 RV473716Obama +10.0 Rasmussen07/ 16 - 07/171029 LV473815Obama +9.0 Zogby07/12 - 07/141012 LV4542--Obama +3.0 CNN06/22 - 06/24907 RV48443Obama +4.0 Newsweek06/20 - 06/21831 RV51418Obama +10.0 Rasmussen06/ 13 - 06/14800 LV463816Obama +8.0 USA Today
NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Lina Dahlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dibusek Mungkin saja Obama lies something, lalu apa kandidat yang lainnya gak bohong sama sekali juga ? Apa kita perlu cari di google or dimana saja ttg kebohongan kandidat lain? Nagapin juga mau menunjukkan kehebatan kita tapi dengan cara membeberkan kejelekan orang lain?. ..dibusek Bobby jawab: he he he . Mbak Lina kepripun kabare? Sae toh!!! he he ... si Carla ini obyektif loh Tapi obyektifnya sama Obama doang.. ha ha ha... guyon loh guyon.. ha ha ha
NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, carla annamarie kneefel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear budi, scroll down all my comments before, not a single word i stated abt preferences for mc'cain or huckabee, or did i ever wrote abt robertson or falwell, show some logical sense here..ok? u made some assumption that i liked robertson and falwell bcs i objectively show the facts that obama's lying and fabricating? Bobby jawab: Rasane sampeyan sendiri yang perlu lihat ulang tulisan2 sampeyan sendiri.. deh.. he he kalau situ cukup teliti, maka dikau akan lihat, apa yang ku lihat. Aku juga gak bilang sampeyan tulis tentang Pat Robertson, aku cuman tulis komentar sampeyan kaya / seperti suara Pat Robertson. :D Ini kan jaman kampanye, sampeyan boleh aja bilang gak dukung sini situ, tapi gimane kita tahu??? he he he...Kampanye kan bisa aja berlagak obyektif dan jujur, lalu sampeyan habis-habisin Capres yang itu-itu aja... terus menerus.. sambil bilang ini fakta ..ha ha ha.. sementara fakta kandidat sampeyan disembunyikan ha ha ha.. kek kek kek... caileh obyektif ni ye.. Nah kalau sampeyan mau bener-bener mau logik dan obyektif coba deh rincikan dobol-dobolane kandidat laen.. he he lah kalau dikau telanjangi semua pihak itu baru obyektif.. atau sampeyan mau bilang Republik jujur seperti balita ??? piye Nduk Carla? Cengli toh aku, cukup obyektif toh?! hep e nais de!!! Bobby Budiarto
Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
carla, lebih absurd lagi mengatakan obama tidak layak menjadi presiden karena dia cuma seorang junior senator yang tidak berpengalaman. ha-ha-ha, he is an alected senator. enggak ada perbedaan wewenang atau kewajiban antara senator yang sudah lama maupun yang baru bertugas. sudah lama amerika tak punya pemimpin yang bisa menyatukan rakyat yang berbeda-beda. obama dianggap punya kemampuan itu. sudah lama amerika tak punya presiden yang bisa menulis pidatonya sendiri. obama adalah seorang orator dan penulis pidato yang jenius. di amerika, seorang pedagang minyak atau bekas aktor hollywood saja bisa menjadi presiden. mengapa seorang ahli hukum yang tangguh lulusan harvard, pernah menjadi jaksa dan senator, dianggap tak cukup punya kualifikasi untuk menjadi presiden? lebih dari segalanya, saya percaya sejak dari keluarga obama punya kemampuan memimpin amerika dan sekaligus menjadi pemimpin dunia yang beragam, karena dia punya nenek muslimah berkulit hitam yang masih hidup dan tinggal di tepi danau victoria di kenya. dia punya saudara tiri perempuan berdarah indonesia. dia punya keluarga kulit putih dan indian dari pihak ibu. dia punya ipar seorang cina warga negara kanada. apa lagi yang kurang dari obama? sementara mccain dan huckabee rajin berkotbah di gereja, sambil pada saat yang sama meniupkan perang dimana-mana dan membunuhi wanita dan anak-anak di irak. mereka juga menewaskan 4.000 serdadu amerika sendiri dalam 5 tahun perang di irak. jumlah itu bahkan lebih besar dari korban tewas selama 10 tahun perang vietnam. maka sudah sepantasnya obama mendapat suara lebih banyak ketimbang mccain dalam polling yang dilakukan berbagai lembaga independen di amerika. ngomong-ngomong apa yang anda maksud dengan mainstream media? di amerika, mainstream media adalah cnn, fox news, dll yang semuanya embedded media yang berbaris rapi di belakang bush dan partai republik. At 05:27 PM 4/2/2008 -0700, you wrote: pak Nug, it's good obama has a mother that also love indonesia, but it's absurd and irrelevant to related it whether he is capable or not to be the next US president. fyi, obama is inexperiences, he is only junior senator that served couple of years in senate office, what is his track record? and what is his accomplishment so far? not single american can tell what obama accomplishment...they only said obama is fresh and promising hope and change, all candidates (either rep or dems) re senior senator with lots of track record and accomplishments to be mentioned abt. obama's slogan is hope and change, but those only words consists of platitudes, not real premise of detailed plan and policy roadmaps.., i watched his speech several times.., he is a good orator, excellence communicator and have a pesona that drawn people to him, but lately the more he talks the more i found him the same politician who sells words and promise.., just another clown of politician who think he is eligible bcs he's got harvard degree. he's not a real deal. he repeteadly lied during his speeches and interviews many times and the mainstream media ignored it. listen to his speeches and his interviews then compared to the facts (if u have time..:) diggin from 2003 until 2008 from his books, speeches and interviews then compared to the facts) u will be amazed that how this guy could running for president and won popular votes for dems party. the only question is how deaf an ear or how blind an eye to get people turn a frog into a prince. it appears the junior senator obama is is not a fresh face as media sycopants like to describe him, he just another in along line of dems snake oil salesman. Someone who lies habitually about objective facts, is not someone that most of american would trust to be in the Oval office. The truth about Obama is there in plain view. It is there for all of us, and especially the media, to see. But there are none so blind as those who will not see, none so deaf as those who will not hear. And none so stupid as those who consciously avoid the truth because they want to keep on reporting Obama's lies. there's a big question why mainstream media ignored the facts that obama is repeteadly lie because they have vested interest on his survival. If there is a Democratic Party slugfest for the presidential nomination due to Obama, the media will make hundreds of millions of dollars in extra advertising as Obama raise huge amounts of money and spend it on ads. If Obama implodes, media stand to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising. I am not suggesting that reporters covering the election are controlled by management. But reporters can't be oblivious to the fact that newspapers and television organizations are shrinking, and hundreds of millions of dollars in political advertising will extend the life of these organizations into 2009. You be the judge if there is a subconscious conflict of interest. Both Obama and the mainstream media owe the American
Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
pak Nug, the inexperiences thing is not the only reason i think he's not qualified. read my email below. observe his interviews, his speeches and read his books and then compared to objective facts. he is repeteadly lying and fabricating. btw i suggest u read abt his profile carefully . obama was never been a district attorney (jaksa), after graduated from harvard he became community organizer, university lecturer, and civil right lawyer, running public office serve illinois from 1997-2004, he became junior senator in 2005. so he never been a D.A/ jaksa (check ur fact). i know that indonesia has sentimental feeling fot this guy just because he was lived here during certain time, and maybe indonesian people feel connected somehow to him and endorsed him to be US president. but see the facts objectively. obama's said he will bring unity to american people, but for some 20 years he has been a member of racial church whom his pastor also his spiritual mentor is a racist pastor who preach hateful sermons about america and white american, it's kinda strange to find him with his slogan about unity. he sells his words about unity bcs it's suitable of his profile half white-and half african, he is a good political package though and sold out. i admired his capability of speech, he is an excellence orator, and he is intelligent man( he is a harvard grad) i dont doubt it for a sec, but i question his judgement and honesty. about obama, his lies and fabrications re damaging his campaign and the DNC, because the facts re all there. as i said to my fam and relatives in US. choose wisely. think, analize then choose. unfortunately dems only have two candidates, obama and hillary, obama's won the popular vote so far from hillary. the next DNC convention where the vote of super delegates will determine who is dem's president nominee. there'll be a bloody fight inside the dems. recently hillary too has been caught of lying about her trip in bosnia when she said she was under gun fired. tough choice for dems. maybe al gore will save the day. who knows. as one of my democrat friends said maybe for the first time in his life he will be voting for republican..:)). dems have trouble of screening their candidates (remember john kerry and michale dukakis) and now the glowbama. the latest national polls obama vs mc'cain, dated 18/03 - 1/04: 1. RCP average : Obama (44.2%)- Mc'cain (44.4%) 2. Rassmussen tracking: obama (41%) - M'cain (47%) 3.Gallup tracking: obama (44%) - Mc'cain (46%) check the fact. try google and youtube:) the keyword obama's lies. - Original Message From: Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 3, 2008 2:00:26 PM Subject: Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar carla, lebih absurd lagi mengatakan obama tidak layak menjadi presiden karena dia cuma seorang junior senator yang tidak berpengalaman. ha-ha-ha, he is an alected senator. enggak ada perbedaan wewenang atau kewajiban antara senator yang sudah lama maupun yang baru bertugas. sudah lama amerika tak punya pemimpin yang bisa menyatukan rakyat yang berbeda-beda. obama dianggap punya kemampuan itu. sudah lama amerika tak punya presiden yang bisa menulis pidatonya sendiri. obama adalah seorang orator dan penulis pidato yang jenius. di amerika, seorang pedagang minyak atau bekas aktor hollywood saja bisa menjadi presiden. mengapa seorang ahli hukum yang tangguh lulusan harvard, pernah menjadi jaksa dan senator, dianggap tak cukup punya kualifikasi untuk menjadi presiden? lebih dari segalanya, saya percaya sejak dari keluarga obama punya kemampuan memimpin amerika dan sekaligus menjadi pemimpin dunia yang beragam, karena dia punya nenek muslimah berkulit hitam yang masih hidup dan tinggal di tepi danau victoria di kenya. dia punya saudara tiri perempuan berdarah indonesia. dia punya keluarga kulit putih dan indian dari pihak ibu. dia punya ipar seorang cina warga negara kanada. apa lagi yang kurang dari obama? sementara mccain dan huckabee rajin berkotbah di gereja, sambil pada saat yang sama meniupkan perang dimana-mana dan membunuhi wanita dan anak-anak di irak. mereka juga menewaskan 4.000 serdadu amerika sendiri dalam 5 tahun perang di irak. jumlah itu bahkan lebih besar dari korban tewas selama 10 tahun perang vietnam. maka sudah sepantasnya obama mendapat suara lebih banyak ketimbang mccain dalam polling yang dilakukan berbagai lembaga independen di amerika. ngomong-ngomong apa yang anda maksud dengan mainstream media? di amerika, mainstream media adalah cnn, fox news, dll yang semuanya embedded media yang berbaris rapi di belakang bush dan partai republik. At 05:27 PM 4/2/2008 -0700, you wrote: pak Nug, it's good obama has a mother that also love indonesia, but it's absurd and irrelevant to related it whether he is capable or not to be the next US
Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
--- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? Iyo, Carla iki kok modele esmosi banget karo Obama yo, sak jane ono opo toh Mbakyu Carla iki.?? Koyo suarane Pantat Robertson dan almarhum Jerry Falwell opo Mbak Carla iki lagi stress soale satu- satune capres Wedhok makin keteteran... Lah mbok jadi Wapres aja toh si Hilary itu... gitu aja kok refot.. he he he
Re: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
dear budi, scroll down all my comments before, not a single word i stated abt preferences for mc'cain or huckabee, or did i ever wrote abt robertson or falwell, show some logical sense here..ok? u made some assumption that i liked robertson and falwell bcs i objectively show the facts that obama's lying and fabricating? if u want to argue, argue by facts not cheap assumption. it's more respectful that u could refute my facts statement abt obama rather than made some ad hominem assumption. if u want to make some reply-argument, before u make some reply, pls equip ur self with some knowledge about this issue, try google or youtube, key word obama lies, then u come back here to have some logical and intelligent debate. if not. dont waste ur time to debate ok? save it for another issue that u certainly beyond reasonable doubt have some knowledge about it. stay logic and objective. objective facts hurts. politician..welcome to independent-thinker zone. have a nice day carla - Original Message From: budiartobobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 7:58:34 AM Subject: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? Iyo, Carla iki kok modele esmosi banget karo Obama yo, sak jane ono opo toh Mbakyu Carla iki.?? Koyo suarane Pantat Robertson dan almarhum Jerry Falwell opo Mbak Carla iki lagi stress soale satu- satune capres Wedhok makin keteteran... Lah mbok jadi Wapres aja toh si Hilary itu... gitu aja kok refot.. he he he You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
Mbak Carla ini mungkin salah satu tim suksesnya... yang sedang berkampanye. Berkampanye sih sah-sah saja, selama kampanyenya untuk menjagokan betinanya (jagonya), bukan untuk menjelek-jelekan musuh. Mungkin saja Obama lies something, lalu apa kandidat yang lainnya gak bohong sama sekali juga ? Apa kita perlu cari di google or dimana saja ttg kebohongan kandidat lain? Nagapin juga mau menunjukkan kehebatan kita tapi dengan cara membeberkan kejelekan orang lain?. Kan impossible cari pemimpin yang putih-putih melati, alibaba. Ada juga yang merah-merah delima, pinokio. wassalam, --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, carla annamarie kneefel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if u want to make some reply-argument, before u make some reply, pls equip ur self with some knowledge about this issue, try google or youtube, key word obama lies, then u come back here to have some logical and intelligent debate. if not. dont waste ur time to debate ok? save it for another issue that u certainly beyond reasonable doubt have some knowledge about it. stay logic and objective. objective facts hurts. politician..welcome to independent-thinker zone. have a nice day carla - Original Message From: budiartobobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 4, 2008 7:58:34 AM Subject: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] s.com, Nugroho Dewanto ndewanto@ . wrote: carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? Iyo, Carla iki kok modele esmosi banget karo Obama yo, sak jane ono opo toh Mbakyu Carla iki.?? Koyo suarane Pantat Robertson dan almarhum Jerry Falwell opo Mbak Carla iki lagi stress soale satu- satune capres Wedhok makin keteteran... Lah mbok jadi Wapres aja toh si Hilary itu... gitu aja kok refot.. he he he _ ___ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
carla, sila google juga mccain lies dan mccain iraq. saya heran ada perempuan menyukai orang yang berhati kejam dan pembunuh sesamanya di belahan dunia lain. jangan terlalu sentimental terhadap mccain semata karena dia rajin kotbah di gereja dan gigih membela israel. yesus pasti sedih melihat orang kristen seperti dia. obama memang tak pernah menjadi jaksa, tapi itu tak menjadikan dia kurang kompeten untuk menjadi presiden amerika. apa yang anda maksud sebagai gereja rasis? ayolah carla, anda tahu sejarah gereja kulit hitam di amerika yang berdiri karena diskriminasi rasial kaum kulit putih. kulit hitam tak boleh mengikuti kebaktian di gereja kulit putih padahal mereka sama-sama kristen! sebagai orang indonesia kepentingan saya jelas di indonesia. saya percaya bila obama menjadi presiden dia bisa membawa kebaikan ke seluruh dunia, termasuk ke indonesia. kepentingan anda dimana, carla? berikut ini komentar seorang pemirsa tentang tayangan kotbah pendeta obama yang terus menerus disiarkan fox news. Posted by Gail on April 1, 2008, 1:02 pm FOX NEWS is completely full of bias right wing conservatives who have taken their control over the media and brought a disgrace to the American public. They were also the ones behind the whole controversy of Barrack being Muslim and NOW they are pulling this pastor business up out of their ass. No other station has any interest in this and does not replay over and OVER and OVER the same misconstrued news clip or reporting quite like this. They should be taken off the air. This should be illegal soal polling obama vs mccain, lihat data yang saya ambil dari realclearpolitics.com dibawah ini. lihat spread di antara keduanya dalam polling dari november tahun lalu sampai maret tahun ini. See All General Election: McCain vs. Obama Commentary News Stories Polling Data PollDateSampleObama (D)McCain (R)UndSpread RCP Average03/18 - 03/31-44.244.48.8McCain +0.2 Rasmussen Tracking03/28 - 03/311700 LV414712McCain +6.0 Gallup Tracking03/27 - 03/314409 RV44464McCain +2.0 NBC/WSJ03/24 - 03/25800 RV44427Obama +2.0 Pew Research03/19 - 03/221,248 RV49438Obama +6.0 FOX News03/18 - 03/19900 RV434413McCain +1.0 CBS News03/15 - 03/18RV48436Obama +5.0 CNN03/14 - 03/16950 RV47461Obama +1.0 USA Today/Gallup03/14 - 03/15685 LV49473Obama +2.0 Reuters/Zogby03/13 - 03/141004 LV4046--McCain +6.0 NBC/WSJ03/07 - 03/101,012 RV47445Obama +3.0 Cook/RT Strategies03/06 - 03/09802 RV434511McCain +2.0 Newsweek03/05 - 03/061,215 RV46459Obama +1.0 Cook/RT Strategies02/28 - 03/02802 RV473812Obama +9.0 ABC/Wash Post02/28 - 03/02LV53423Obama +11.0 LA Times/Bloomberg02/21 - 02/25RV42449McCain +2.0 AP-Ipsos02/22 - 02/24755 RV51412Obama +10.0 USA Today/Gallup02/21 - 02/241653 LV47482McCain +1.0 CBS News/NY Times02/20 - 02/241115 RV50387Obama +12.0 Pew Research02/20 - 02/241240 RV50437Obama +7.0 FOX News02/19 - 02/20900 RV474310Obama +4.0 Hotline/FD02/14 - 02/17803 RV48409Obama +8.0 Reuters/Zogby02/13 - 02/16928 LV474013Obama +7.0 USA Today/Gallup02/08 - 02/10706 LV50464Obama +4.0 AP-Ipsos02/07 - 02/101,029 A48428Obama +6.0 Time02/01 - 02/04958 LV48416Obama +7.0 CNN02/01 - 02/03974 RV52444Obama +8.0 Cook/RT Strategies01/31 - 02/02855 RV45439Obama +2.0 ABC/Wash Post01/30 - 02/011249 A49463Obama +3.0 FOX News01/30 - 01/31900 RV444313Obama +1.0 NPR01/29 - 01/311000 LV47483McCain +1.0 Rasmussen01/25 - 01/271200 LV414712McCain +6.0 NBC/WSJ01/20 - 01/221008 A42426Tie LA Times/Bloomberg01/18 - 01/221312 RV414212McCain +1.0 Rasmussen01/16 - 01/17800 LV464113Obama +5.0 USA Today/Gallup01/10 - 01/131106 LV45502McCain +5.0 Hotline/FD01/10 - 01/12803 RV413911Obama +2.0 CNN01/09 - 01/10840 RV4948--Obama +1.0 Rasmussen01/04 - 01/06800 LV434611McCain +3.0 FOX News12/18 - 12/19900 RV404417McCain +4.0 Zogby12/12 - 12/141000 LV474310Obama +4.0 CNN12/06 - 12/09RV48481Tie Rasmussen11/26 - 11/27800 LV12Tie Rasmussen11/16 - 11/17800 LV464311Obama +3.0 Gallup11/11 - 11/14897 RV47444Obama +3.0 Quinnipiac10/23 - 10/291636 RV43438Tie LA Times/Bloomberg10/19 - 10/22522 RV443613Obama +8.0 FOX News09/25 - 09/26900 RV403822Obama +2.0 Rasmussen09/19 - 09/20800 LV464113Obama +5.0 Quinnipiac08/07 - 08/131545 LV433911Obama +4.0 Rasmussen08/01 - 08/02800 LV464014Obama +6.0 FOX News07/17 - 07/18900 RV473716Obama +10.0 Rasmussen07/16 - 07/171029 LV473815Obama +9.0 Zogby07/12 - 07/141012 LV4542--Obama +3.0 CNN06/22 - 06/24907 RV48443Obama +4.0 Newsweek06/20 - 06/21831 RV51418Obama +10.0 Rasmussen06/13 - 06/14800 LV463816Obama +8.0 USA Today/Gallup06/11 - 06/14927 RV48462Obama +2.0 Quinnipiac06/05 - 06/111,711 RV434110Obama +2.0 LA Times/Bloomberg06/07 - 06/101056 RV47358Obama +12.0 Zogby05/17 - 05/20993 RV46438Obama +3.0 Hotline/FD05/16 - 05/20800 RV423919Obama +3.0 Newsweek05/02 - 05/03831 RV52399Obama +13.0 Marist04/26 - 05/01823 RV394615McCain +7.0 Quinnipiac04/25 - 05/011166 RV424212Tie Hotline/FD04/26 - 04/30801 RV483713Obama +11.0 NBC/WSJ04/20 - 04/231004 A453910Obama +6.0 Rasmussen04/09 - 04/10800 LV484210Obama +6.0 LA
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tank infonya Quoting Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? kisah yang ditulis new york times dibawah ini tentang seorang ibu yang membesarkan obama. dia seorang perempuan amerika yang mencintai indonesia, mungkin lebih dari kebanyakan perempuan indonesia sendiri. dia getol membantu memberdayakan perempuan indonesia lewat kredit mikro. Subject: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:54:10 +0700 From: mtanuhandaru To: dinnyjusuf; dewi; artine.utomo; rohima; annhawk2002; tiwon; ninanayar ; nur_dpr Hi Din, and all, Don't we all miss Anne.dan semua kegilaannya Jadi hikmahnya good to be an unconventional mom! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?pagewanted=3;/A At 08:02 AM 4/1/2008 +, you wrote: so, who is your preference for the next US president, Carla? of course it has been interesting that in this mailing list we can see different points of view: - those from right-wing Indonesians - those from right-wing Westerners - and those from left-wing Indonesians ---( ihsan hm ) --- In carla annamarie kneefel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glowbama.., is one of the worst US candidate for president.., but some public n mainstream media love him..,glowbama just another typical politician who use charm, looks and smooth talks. poor america if he ever elected president. - Original Message From: Sandy Dwiyono [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Obama Didukung Senator Senior, Hillary Diminta Mundur - PITTSBURGH, SABTU - Barack Obama secara mengejutkan mendapat dukungan dari Senator Pennsylvania Bob Casey Jr. Ini merupakan keuntungan besar bagi Obama menghadapi pemilihan pendahuluan di negara bagian besar itu. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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pak Nug, it's good obama has a mother that also love indonesia, but it's absurd and irrelevant to related it whether he is capable or not to be the next US president. fyi, obama is inexperiences, he is only junior senator that served couple of years in senate office, what is his track record? and what is his accomplishment so far? not single american can tell what obama accomplishment...they only said obama is fresh and promising hope and change, all candidates (either rep or dems) re senior senator with lots of track record and accomplishments to be mentioned abt. obama's slogan is hope and change, but those only words consists of platitudes, not real premise of detailed plan and policy roadmaps.., i watched his speech several times.., he is a good orator, excellence communicator and have a pesona that drawn people to him, but lately the more he talks the more i found him the same politician who sells words and promise.., just another clown of politician who think he is eligible bcs he's got harvard degree. he's not a real deal. he repeteadly lied during his speeches and interviews many times and the mainstream media ignored it. listen to his speeches and his interviews then compared to the facts (if u have time..:) diggin from 2003 until 2008 from his books, speeches and interviews then compared to the facts) u will be amazed that how this guy could running for president and won popular votes for dems party. the only question is how deaf an ear or how blind an eye to get people turn a frog into a prince. it appears the junior senator obama is is not a fresh face as media sycopants like to describe him, he just another in along line of dems snake oil salesman. Someone who lies habitually about objective facts, is not someone that most of american would trust to be in the Oval office. The truth about Obama is there in plain view. It is there for all of us, and especially the media, to see. But there are none so blind as those who will not see, none so deaf as those who will not hear. And none so stupid as those who consciously avoid the truth because they want to keep on reporting Obamas lies. there's a big question why mainstream media ignored the facts that obama is repeteadly lie because they have vested interest on his survival. If there is a Democratic Party slugfest for the presidential nomination due to Obama, the media will make hundreds of millions of dollars in extra advertising as Obama raise huge amounts of money and spend it on ads. If Obama implodes, media stand to lose hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising. I am not suggesting that reporters covering the election are controlled by management. But reporters cant be oblivious to the fact that newspapers and television organizations are shrinking, and hundreds of millions of dollars in political advertising will extend the life of these organizations into 2009. You be the judge if there is a subconscious conflict of interest. Both Obama and the mainstream media owe the American people an explanation and an apology. But dont hold your breath. Obamas too busy making up new lies to even know what the truth is any more. Obama is not part of any Joshua Generation. He has been joshin to american people all along, and they keep taking it. He may be a Kool-Aid salesman. But american people keep buying and keep drinking. handsome, young, charming and media darling..seems too hollywood for me.. america needs a president not a fraud and fake actor. - Original Message From: rury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 4:16:42 PM Subject: Re: Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar tank infonya Quoting Nugroho Dewanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] tempo.co. id: carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? kisah yang ditulis new york times dibawah ini tentang seorang ibu yang membesarkan obama. dia seorang perempuan amerika yang mencintai indonesia, mungkin lebih dari kebanyakan perempuan indonesia sendiri. dia getol membantu memberdayakan perempuan indonesia lewat kredit mikro. Subject: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:54:10 +0700 From: mtanuhandaru To: dinnyjusuf; dewi; artine.utomo; rohima; annhawk2002; tiwon; ninanayar ; nur_dpr Hi Din, and all, Don't we all miss Anne.dan semua kegilaannya. ... Jadi hikmahnya good to be an unconventional mom! http://www.nytimes. com/2008/ 03/14/us/ politics/ 14obama.html? pagewanted= 3/A At 08:02 AM 4/1/2008 +, you wrote: so, who is your preference for the next US president, Carla? of course it has been interesting that in this mailing list we can see different points of view: - those from right-wing Indonesians - those from right-wing Westerners - and those from left-wing
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hee..hee.. for sure im not favouring obama to be the next US president. it's not abt right or left wings.., nor about conservative or liberal, if u made such case obama he is very liberal, he is pro-abortion and pro gay marriage. but it's not abt whether he's pro abortion or pro gay marriage..but the way he represented him self, actually american public dont know much abt this junior senator from chicago, his track record showed little and less of expriences, his close relationship with tony rezko (who recently convicted for federal crime and now in prison) has triggered some questions, his indecisive n lack of judgement regarding his former spritual mentor made people questioned his patriotism and his ability to be the next commander in chief, he seems to be people pleaser, too charming looked like a saviour, he got the pesona that drawn ppl to him. thats is his best ability. he reminded me of SBY actually when i first saw him on TV..:) just reminded me of SBY when SBY campaigning as indo president.SBY 's body language, the way he talks, the way he used his hands when he talks.., but later on proven indecisive? anyway obama's winning the electoral votes is bcs of race, 90 % of african-american vote for him, and the rest of it just liberal white ppl (mostly gay ppl and pro-abortion activist, and hollywood celebrity). based on track record and experiences...he's not strong on that... it's so amazed that he is winning rite now in dems party. dems re 75% african-american and the rest re white. too bad dems party must stuck with this guy, like it or not this is their guy. he won electoral vote slightly to hillary. it's more good to dem if their nominee is hillary. glowbama is a glowing and rising star..but if u looked close enough he just typical politician that sells words, sweet words.., but no proven action and no track record to prove. too bad many american ppl ate those words. and it worst if they believe it. i guess handsome, charming, and sweet talks, re american best quality rite now for president. too bad and so shameful that the most superpower nation in the whole world will have inexperience, not proven track record, no credible junior senator as presidential nominee. if he is junior senator..it's ok lah, but to be the next US president..God forbid. for the dems convention, hillary must win the super delegate vote to be the dems presidential nominee. and for right or left wing..., im an independent , pak imuchtarom.. a little bit traditional thinking and a little bit liberal...:). cheers Carla - Original Message From: imuchtarom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ppiindia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:02:03 PM Subject: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar so, who is your preference for the next US president, Carla? of course it has been interesting that in this mailing list we can see different points of view: - those from right-wing Indonesians - those from right-wing Westerners - and those from left-wing Indonesians ---( ihsan hm )--- - --- In carla annamarie kneefel carla_annamarie17@ ... wrote: glowbama.., is one of the worst US candidate for president.., but some public n mainstream media love him..,glowbama just another typical politician who use charm, looks and smooth talks. poor america if he ever elected president. - Original Message From: Sandy Dwiyono [EMAIL PROTECTED] . - - - - - Obama Didukung Senator Senior, Hillary Diminta Mundur - - - - - PITTSBURGH, SABTU - Barack Obama secara mengejutkan mendapat dukungan dari Senator Pennsylvania Bob Casey Jr. Ini merupakan keuntungan besar bagi Obama menghadapi pemilihan pendahuluan di negara bagian besar itu. You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Fw: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Re: [ppiindia] Re: Obama Makin Bersinar
carla mungkin lebih suka mc'cain atau huckabee yang suka kotbah di gereja? kisah yang ditulis new york times dibawah ini tentang seorang ibu yang membesarkan obama. dia seorang perempuan amerika yang mencintai indonesia, mungkin lebih dari kebanyakan perempuan indonesia sendiri. dia getol membantu memberdayakan perempuan indonesia lewat kredit mikro. Subject: NY Times : A Free-Spirited Wanderer Who Set Obama's Path Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:54:10 +0700 From: mtanuhandaru To: dinnyjusuf; dewi; artine.utomo; rohima; annhawk2002; tiwon; ninanayar ; nur_dpr Hi Din, and all, Don't we all miss Anne.dan semua kegilaannya Jadi hikmahnya good to be an unconventional mom! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html?pagewanted=3;/A At 08:02 AM 4/1/2008 +, you wrote: so, who is your preference for the next US president, Carla? of course it has been interesting that in this mailing list we can see different points of view: - those from right-wing Indonesians - those from right-wing Westerners - and those from left-wing Indonesians ---( ihsan hm ) --- In carla annamarie kneefel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glowbama.., is one of the worst US candidate for president.., but some public n mainstream media love him..,glowbama just another typical politician who use charm, looks and smooth talks. poor america if he ever elected president. - Original Message From: Sandy Dwiyono [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Obama Didukung Senator Senior, Hillary Diminta Mundur - PITTSBURGH, SABTU - Barack Obama secara mengejutkan mendapat dukungan dari Senator Pennsylvania Bob Casey Jr. Ini merupakan keuntungan besar bagi Obama menghadapi pemilihan pendahuluan di negara bagian besar itu. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
