Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
> Jean,
> 
>>  "l'enfer c'est les autres"
> 
> I had to look that up... There weren't many liberal arts credits in my
> engineering curriculum and I'm not as well educated as some of my friends...
> 
> It is SO true. You can make up any hell you want as long as you think only
> OTHER people are going there. 
> 

I've always disagreed with that phrase. I think l'enfer c'est moi. The
others have no 'real' means to make hell in me (if you can disregard
torture and such). But my conception of the world, the way I see the
other is the world in which I live, that can be hell... or heaven... or
more likely for most of us a bit of each.
That would mean 'sin' will be immediately punished, maybe before you
actually sin. Because to do so you must live in (perceive) a world that
justifies it, and living in that kind of world is punishment enough.


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Re: [NF] No Free Lunch

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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> 1024 x 680, 509KB

That seems a bit big. 

Res? 72 dpi?

Send me a copy and I'll see if I can shrink it a bit.

Whil

> No experimenting yet...
> I'm a babe in the woods with this stuff because I've allways stayed away
> from artsy type stuff..
> 
> Knew long long ago that I couldn’t sing or paint!!! 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.comWhere are my buddies ?
> http://www.tccutlery.com  Very nice knives
> http://www.bierschwale.comI want my own web site
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
> To: profox@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] No Free Lunch
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> Guess there ain't no free lunch..
>> I want the virgils list page to show with the picture transparent, but 
>> to make the picture that size, it loads slow, even on dsl..
> 
> What size is the image file (the GIF)?
> 
> What res?
> 
> Have you experimented with different formats (PNG?) to make the size of the
> file smaller?
> 
>> And the font color, the only thing that I could get to reasonably work 
>> is yellow, bold...
> 
> At least you don't have a lot of animated smileys on the page.  Although
> one with a howitzer might be kinda nifty.
> 
> Whil
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I've said it many times..
All extremist religious leaders, whether they be muslim or catholic are
TROUBLE 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com  Where are my buddies ?
http://www.tccutlery.comVery nice knives
http://www.bierschwale.com  I want my own web site
 

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:02 PM
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" Pastor resigns over homosexuality

In a tearful videotaped message Sunday to his congregation, the senior
pastor of a thriving evangelical megachurch in south metro Denver confessed
to sexual relations with other men and announced he had voluntarily resigned
his pulpit.

Amonth ago, the Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in Doug las County preached
to his 2,100-member congregation about integrity and grace in the aftermath
of the Ted Haggard drugs-and-gay-sex scandal.

Now, the 54-year-old Barnes joins Haggard as a fallen evangelical minister
who preached that homosexuality was a sin but grappled with a hidden life. "
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4817067


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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Believe me, I'm trying because I agree with you...
Got the tccutlery site going with paypal, etc...
Working on the jewlelry store site now...

Problem is, that’s all for others .
My harper valley store site is down at the moment, along with the other
sites...

But I'm persistent, if I can ever get a short term gig, I'll be back at it
all with a vengance...

Think about this map deal.
There must be at least 1,000 ex military units trying to find each other on
any given day...
If I can make it data driven AND get each one to pay me a one time set up
fee of 100 bucks, that will generate the cash so that I can pursue other
ideas I have...

Now if I could just find a backer 

Its like that ole saying, its hard to remember you're there to drain the
swamp when you're up to your neck in gators...

Agreed to do a small web site today for 200 bucks...
Had to take that 200 bucks and pay it for my real estate course which I had
to have before the end of the year in order to keep my license..

So, I made a few bucks today, BUT I didn’t keep any and theirs still mouths
to feed, and parasites (bill collectors) to feed and utilities to feed...

Oh well, my turn's coming 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com  Where are my buddies ?
http://www.tccutlery.comVery nice knives
http://www.bierschwale.com  I want my own web site
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:59 PM
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Hey man, you need to really get your web stuff working.  

I'm projecting $1200 in profits in December from my t-shirt business this
month.  That's going to pay myt mortgage this month.  You can do that from
any place with a broadband connection.  I started the site in July.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Naw...
> The texas hill country is heaven...
> Just ask the wall street journal and money magazine...
> 
> BUT, you can't make a living here, so bring it with you when you move 
> down here to god's country!!!
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.comWhere are my buddies ?
> http://www.tccutlery.com  Very nice knives
> http://www.bierschwale.comI want my own web site
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:49 PM
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> Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
> 
> Jersey is Heaven compared to Memphis. LOL
> 
> 
> 
> --- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > > Hell is located just outside Brussels.
> > 
> > I didn't know that New Jersey was that close to
> Belgium?
> > 
> > Bad Steve!
> > 
> > Stephen Russell
> > DBA / .Net Developer
> > 
> > Memphis TN 38115
> > 901.246-0159
> > 
> > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

I guess you can't be a preacher now Toshi.


--- "Helio W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> " Pastor resigns over homosexuality
> 
> In a tearful videotaped message Sunday to his
> congregation, the senior
> pastor of a thriving evangelical megachurch in south
> metro Denver confessed
> to sexual relations with other men and announced he
> had voluntarily resigned
> his pulpit.
> 
> Amonth ago, the Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in
> Doug las County preached
> to his 2,100-member congregation about integrity and
> grace in the aftermath
> of the Ted Haggard drugs-and-gay-sex scandal.
> 
> Now, the 54-year-old Barnes joins Haggard as a
> fallen evangelical minister
> who preached that homosexuality was a sin but
> grappled with a hidden life. "
> http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4817067
> 
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

" Pastor resigns over homosexuality

In a tearful videotaped message Sunday to his congregation, the senior
pastor of a thriving evangelical megachurch in south metro Denver confessed
to sexual relations with other men and announced he had voluntarily resigned
his pulpit.

Amonth ago, the Rev. Paul Barnes of Grace Chapel in Doug las County preached
to his 2,100-member congregation about integrity and grace in the aftermath
of the Ted Haggard drugs-and-gay-sex scandal.

Now, the 54-year-old Barnes joins Haggard as a fallen evangelical minister
who preached that homosexuality was a sin but grappled with a hidden life. "
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4817067


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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[John Weller]

Thanks Ed.  They will only be using it in-house so I'm greatly relieved as
I'd told them it was a low cost option!


John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

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> Subject: Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote:
>
> > What is the cost?  I am looking at a database for a client with
> > probably 5
> > or 6 users.  They are unlikely to need support above what I can
> > provide.
> > I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in
> > Whil's book
> > and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL?
>
>   If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not
> creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL
> code, then there is no cost.
>
>   PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all
> cases. MS
> SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under
> either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with
> the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a
> non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars.
> I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any
> licenses.
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Hey man, you need to really get your web stuff
working.  

I'm projecting $1200 in profits in December from my
t-shirt business this month.  That's going to pay myt
mortgage this month.  You can do that from any place
with a broadband connection.  I started the site in
July.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Naw...
> The texas hill country is heaven...
> Just ask the wall street journal and money
> magazine...
> 
> BUT, you can't make a living here, so bring it with
> you when you move down
> here to god's country!!! 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.comWhere are my buddies ?
> http://www.tccutlery.com  Very nice knives
> http://www.bierschwale.comI want my own web site
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:49 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!
> 
> Jersey is Heaven compared to Memphis. LOL
> 
> 
> 
> --- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > > Hell is located just outside Brussels.
> > 
> > I didn't know that New Jersey was that close to
> Belgium?
> > 
> > Bad Steve!
> > 
> > Stephen Russell
> > DBA / .Net Developer
> > 
> > Memphis TN 38115
> > 901.246-0159
> > 
> > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual
> power. We have guided 
> > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther
> King Jr.
> > 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Naw...
The texas hill country is heaven...
Just ask the wall street journal and money magazine...

BUT, you can't make a living here, so bring it with you when you move down
here to god's country!!! 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com  Where are my buddies ?
http://www.tccutlery.comVery nice knives
http://www.bierschwale.com  I want my own web site
 

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Jersey is Heaven compared to Memphis. LOL



--- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > Hell is located just outside Brussels.
> 
> I didn't know that New Jersey was that close to Belgium?
> 
> Bad Steve!
> 
> Stephen Russell
> DBA / .Net Developer
> 
> Memphis TN 38115
> 901.246-0159
> 
> "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided 
> missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
> 
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/
> 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Stephen the Cook]

Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> Jersey is Heaven compared to Memphis. LOL

If you think it is well it must be true.

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Jersey is Heaven compared to Memphis. LOL



--- Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> > Hell is located just outside Brussels.
> 
> I didn't know that New Jersey was that close to
> Belgium?  
> 
> Bad Steve!
> 
> Stephen Russell
> DBA / .Net Developer
> 
> Memphis TN 38115
> 901.246-0159
> 
> "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual
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> Jr.
> 
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/
> 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Stephen the Cook]

Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> Hell is located just outside Brussels.

I didn't know that New Jersey was that close to Belgium?  

Bad Steve!

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159

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missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/

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RE: [NF] No Free Lunch

[Virgil Bierschwale]

1024 x 680, 509KB
No experimenting yet...
I'm a babe in the woods with this stuff because I've allways stayed away
from artsy type stuff..

Knew long long ago that I couldn’t sing or paint!!! 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com  Where are my buddies ?
http://www.tccutlery.comVery nice knives
http://www.bierschwale.com  I want my own web site
 

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Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 7:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [NF] No Free Lunch

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Guess there ain't no free lunch..
> I want the virgils list page to show with the picture transparent, but 
> to make the picture that size, it loads slow, even on dsl..

What size is the image file (the GIF)?

What res?

Have you experimented with different formats (PNG?) to make the size of the
file smaller?

> And the font color, the only thing that I could get to reasonably work 
> is yellow, bold...

At least you don't have a lot of animated smileys on the page.  Although
one with a howitzer might be kinda nifty.

Whil



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Re: [NF] No Free Lunch

[Whil Hentzen (Pro*)]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Guess there ain't no free lunch..
> I want the virgils list page to show with the picture transparent, but to
> make the picture that size, it loads slow, even on dsl..

What size is the image file (the GIF)?

What res?

Have you experimented with different formats (PNG?) to make the size of 
the file smaller?

> And the font color, the only thing that I could get to reasonably work is
> yellow, bold...

At least you don't have a lot of animated smileys on the page.  
Although one with a howitzer might be kinda nifty.

Whil



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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Hell is located just outside Brussels.


--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jean,
> 
> >  "l'enfer c'est les autres"
> 
> I had to look that up... There weren't many liberal
> arts credits in my
> engineering curriculum and I'm not as well educated
> as some of my friends...
> 
> It is SO true. You can make up any hell you want as
> long as you think only
> OTHER people are going there. 
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
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> www.shamrocktrails.com
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Who knows.  There are different theories.

1.  Residual haunting - images and sounds are stored
somehow in the surroundings, and are replayed like a
video over and over again.  There are reports where
the same image appears in the same spot over and over
again without changing.  This could be merely a
physical phenomena

2.  Intelligent hauntings - ghosts interact with
people, move objects, answer questions on audio.

Now how much energy is required to move an object and
what are the physics required to do it, is a mystery
to me.  Apparently "cold spots" are when an entity
extracts energy out of the air to appear or to move
things.  This is why, many times, battery-operated
devices will suddenly discharge rapidly too.  

Well it doesn't prove heaven or hell, but it does
suggest that the "soul" lives on afterward. 
Additionally, since everyone doesn't seem to become a
ghost when they die, or else we'd all be seeing them
daily, it might suggest they are in a sort of limbo,
not passing on to the next life.

--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Madigan,
> 
> > Additionally, evil spirits aside, there is more
> and
> > more scientific proof to prove the existence of
> > ghosts.  Video, audio, and photographic evidence
> are
> > now coming in large volume as more and more
> haunted
> > houses are wired for video and web cams.  The
> > existence of ghosts will prove an afterlife and
> make
> > the existence of God that much more likely.
> 
> I can buy the idea of energies that could somehow
> leave the body and
> coalesce into an entity (although I'm stumped on
> HOW), but I don't see how
> that would be proof of an afterlife. What it would
> be proof of would be an
> alternate FORM of life, not an afterlife that would
> be a location where good
> or bad people would go depending on what they did or
> did not do.
> 
> Kristyne McDaniel
> www.mcstyles.com
> www.shamrocktrails.com
> 
> 
> 
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[NF] No Free Lunch

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Guess there ain't no free lunch..
I want the virgils list page to show with the picture transparent, but to
make the picture that size, it loads slow, even on dsl..
And the font color, the only thing that I could get to reasonably work is
yellow, bold...

Damn, and I really wanted something like that.
Perhaps there is a better way that I havent discovered yet ??

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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Jean,

>  "l'enfer c'est les autres"

I had to look that up... There weren't many liberal arts credits in my
engineering curriculum and I'm not as well educated as some of my friends...

It is SO true. You can make up any hell you want as long as you think only
OTHER people are going there. 

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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Madigan,

> Additionally, evil spirits aside, there is more and
> more scientific proof to prove the existence of
> ghosts.  Video, audio, and photographic evidence are
> now coming in large volume as more and more haunted
> houses are wired for video and web cams.  The
> existence of ghosts will prove an afterlife and make
> the existence of God that much more likely.

I can buy the idea of energies that could somehow leave the body and
coalesce into an entity (although I'm stumped on HOW), but I don't see how
that would be proof of an afterlife. What it would be proof of would be an
alternate FORM of life, not an afterlife that would be a location where good
or bad people would go depending on what they did or did not do.

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Re: [NF] MySQL List

[Vince Teachout]

mysql@lists.mysql.com

It's run by MySql.com ,it's moderated, and it's friendly to newbies.


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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Well I can only say that the movie, The Exorcist, was
loosely-based on a real life event that happened to a
boy.  Almost every society has "evil spirits" as part
of their belief system. 

Additionally, evil spirits aside, there is more and
more scientific proof to prove the existence of
ghosts.  Video, audio, and photographic evidence are
now coming in large volume as more and more haunted
houses are wired for video and web cams.  The
existence of ghosts will prove an afterlife and make
the existence of God that much more likely.


--- Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm probably more mystical than the typical
> Christian, though... And I don't
> believe in exclusivity when it comes to God. Nor do
> I believe in an eternal
> hell. I don't think I ever did. It never made sense
> to me that God could
> have enough hate to create an eternal hell, and the
> text in the Bible that
> was used to back it up didn't read that way to me.
> 
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Re: [NF] MySQL List

[Mark Stanton]

Ummm alt.comp.databases.mysql (I think) recently started up, but I 
changed isp so in fact I've not been seeing it to be able to tell 
whether it's any good or not.

*Obviously* couldn't be as good as stuff that Ed's set up...

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Jean Laeremans]

On 12/11/06, Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It never made sense to me that God could
> have enough hate to create an eternal hell, and the text in the Bible that
> was used to back it up didn't read that way to me.

 "l'enfer c'est les autres"

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Kevin Cully wrote:
> Ah.  There are other free (more) free databases as well.  PostgreSQL, 
> Firebird, SQLLite, Berkeley DB, and others.  Hey, the Foxpro database is 
> free but it's not a server itself.
> 
> Choices are good.  I'm still guessing that a lot of the savings in the 
> article come from the M$ Server licenses, and in switching to Linux or 
> UNIX servers.
> 
> Kevin Cully
> CULLY Technologies, LLC
> 

PostgreSQL is really good. It plays at the level of Oracle.


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RE: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Kristyne McDaniel]

Ed,

>   This is the one that always gets me. People wonder how 
> I can say  
> that there is no God; since that is truly unknowable, shouldn't I be  
> agnostic and simply say that I doubt it? Yet when I ask them if they  
> believe in Thor or Zeus or Shiva, they are 100% certain that those  
> gods don't exist. Nothing agnostic about their feelings, but somehow  
> I'm supposed to be that way toward their particular fantasy.

That's where we differ, I guess. In my mind there must have been some root
to the Thor and Zeus and Shiva stories. I don't know what the root is or
why, but I'm guessing there was something that started the myth so my mind
is not completely closed to any of the myths.

I'm probably more mystical than the typical Christian, though... And I don't
believe in exclusivity when it comes to God. Nor do I believe in an eternal
hell. I don't think I ever did. It never made sense to me that God could
have enough hate to create an eternal hell, and the text in the Bible that
was used to back it up didn't read that way to me.

Kristyne McDaniel
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Re: [OT] A Soldier's Prayer for America in 2008

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Sunday 10 December 2006 21:01, David Crooks wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 10, 2006 6:49 PM Kristyne McDaniel wrote:
>>> I searched on several of the phrases in this posting and came up empty.
>> I can't find the blog so
>>
>>> it is pretty hard to confirm whether it exists...
>> It is on the guy's MySpace Blog which from here:
>> http://www.myspace.com/antipypr
> 
> Hi David!
> 
> I see he likes "Repo Man" and plays bagpipes.

Are you posting from Baghdad?



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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Stephen the Cook]

Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote:
> 
>> What is the cost?  I am looking at a database for a client with
>> probably 5 or 6 users.  They are unlikely to need support above what
>> I can provide. I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info
>> available in Whil's book and this list - should I be looking at M$
>> SQL Server or PostGreSQL?
> 
>   If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not
> creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL
> code, then there is no cost.  
> 
>   PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS
> SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under
> either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with
> the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a
> non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars.
> I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any
> licenses. 

I'll go out on a limb and guess that high-code should have been high-cost in
all cases.  If so that is an incorrect statement.  SQL Express is Free,  and
has some limitations like it's fore runner MSDE.The size of the database
did double to 4 gig for free.

There is also a "Free" version for Oracle as well as DB2.  

I was not aware of the PostgreSQL situation and would look to that as a
starting point.  Unfortunately you don't find that listed as a database for
Hosted Servers frequently.  You do find MySQL as well as M$ SQL.  

Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, John Weller wrote:

> What is the cost?  I am looking at a database for a client with  
> probably 5
> or 6 users.  They are unlikely to need support above what I can  
> provide.
> I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in  
> Whil's book
> and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL?

If they are going to be using the database server in-house and not  
creating distributable apps, or otherwise distributing the MySQL  
code, then there is no cost.

PostgreSQL (the correct spelling) is 100% zero-cost in all cases. MS  
SQL is 100% high-code in all cases. MySQL is dual-licensed, under  
either the GPL or a commercial license. If your usage complies with  
the GPL license, there is no cost for MySQL. If you want to release a  
non-GPL app, the commercial license can cost a few hundred dollars.  
I'm not sure on the cost, as I haven't had a need to purchase any  
licenses.

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Jean Laeremans]

On 12/11/06, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Rambling again, eh

A+
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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[John Weller]

What is the cost?  I am looking at a database for a client with probably 5
or 6 users.  They are unlikely to need support above what I can provide.
I've gone for MySQL because of the wealth of info available in Whil's book
and this list - should I be looking at M$ SQL Server or PostGreSQL?

John Weller
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07976 393631

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of mrgmhale
> Sent: 11 December 2006 17:13
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
>
>
> I have a few vertical apps, all Windows O/S based Server apps due to my
> target market being required to use Windows.  VFP has been great, but I am
> beginning to creep up on a capacity (2Gb/file) issue.  MySQL looked okay
> until they bumped their Server fees for commercial distribution.
> My clients
> are used to not paying for a database Server, so that limits my
> choices.  I
> have been focused on PostGreSQL as it has no license fee whatever for
> personal, commercial or commercial with a license fee based app using it.
> For In House systems I am going to have to use Windows 2000/2003+ Server
> with CAL licenses.  But for any web based stuff I am going to migrate to a
> Linux Server to host the PostgreSQL Server(s).  Walking now, will
> be running
> and sprinting by early Spring.
>
>
> Gil
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen the Cook
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:23 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
> >
> >
> > Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> > > On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not
> > >> free when its used in a commercial application
> > >
> > >   The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using
> > > it in-house, you do not need to license it.
> >
> > I understand this point.  Seems that a few people here have
> vertical apps
> > and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Russell
> > DBA / .Net Developer
> >
> > Memphis TN 38115
> > 901.246-0159
> >
> > "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided
> > missiles and misguided men." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
> >
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

You believe in fantasies like aborted babies really
aren't living and can't feel pain.  You also believe
that global warming is man-made.  Why do you draw the
line on the existance of God?


--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Dec 11, 2006, at 5:23 AM, Helio W. wrote:
> 
> > *10* - You vigorously deny the existence of
> thousands of gods  
> > claimed by
> > other religions, but feel outraged when someone
> denies the  
> > existence of
> > yours.
> 
>   This is the one that always gets me. People wonder
> how I can say  
> that there is no God; since that is truly
> unknowable, shouldn't I be  
> agnostic and simply say that I doubt it? Yet when I
> ask them if they  
> believe in Thor or Zeus or Shiva, they are 100%
> certain that those  
> gods don't exist. Nothing agnostic about their
> feelings, but somehow  
> I'm supposed to be that way toward their particular
> fantasy.
> 
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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 5:23 AM, Helio W. wrote:

> *10* - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods  
> claimed by
> other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the  
> existence of
> yours.

This is the one that always gets me. People wonder how I can say  
that there is no God; since that is truly unknowable, shouldn't I be  
agnostic and simply say that I doubt it? Yet when I ask them if they  
believe in Thor or Zeus or Shiva, they are 100% certain that those  
gods don't exist. Nothing agnostic about their feelings, but somehow  
I'm supposed to be that way toward their particular fantasy.

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Michael Madigan]

Mocking God doesn't make him go away.

You'll find this out soon enough.

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Charlie Coleman]

At 10:36 AM 12/11/2006 -0500, Ted Roche wrote:
...
>The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain
>why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I
>suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound
>awfully suspicious.
...

I believe the statement lumped Microsoft server licensing stuff. So I'd 
imagine that is where the vast majority of cost went.

-Charlie



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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Stephen the Cook]

Kevin Ragsdale <> wrote:
> On December 11, Stephen Russell wrote,
> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/usbh2
> 
> Now how did I know that link was going to take me to IBM's website?

Surprised that it's not M$?  

The length was to long for a copy paste.  



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FPW 2.6 and Vista

[Jörg Arand]

It's not clear for me. 
Will FPW 2.6 run under  Windows Vista (32bit)?

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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Kevin Ragsdale]

On December 11, Stephen Russell wrote,

>> http://tinyurl.com/usbh2

Now how did I know that link was going to take me to IBM's website?

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

http://www.400monkeys.com/God/


On 12/11/06, Helio W. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> **
>
> *Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian*
>
>
>
>
> *10* - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
> other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of
> yours.
>
> *9* - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
> evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
> claim that we were created from dirt.
>
> *8 *- You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a
> Triune God.
>
> *7* - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed
> to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
> slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination
> of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
>
> *6* - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about
> gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy
> Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
> came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
>
> *5* - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in
> the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you
> find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen
> sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
>
> *4* - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the
> exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all
> rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet
> consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
>
>
> *3* - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have
> failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor
> speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove"
> Christianity.
>
> *2* - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered
> prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think
> that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
>
> *1* - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do
> about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself
> a Christian.
>
>
> On 12/7/06, Helio W. < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I guess we all already knew this, but now there's scientifically studied
> > evidence.
> >
> >
> > Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?
> >
> > Henry E. Adams, Lester W. Wright, Jr., and Bethany A. Lohr
> > University of Georgia
> >
> > The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively
> > heterosexual men who ad-
> > mitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants
> > consisted of a group of homo-
> > phobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were
> > assigned to groups
> > on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson &
> > W. A. Ricketts, 1980).
> > The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of
> > heterosexual, male homosex-
> > ual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were
> > monitored. They also com-
> > pleted an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992 ). Both
> > groups exhibited increases
> > in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual
> > videos. Only the homophobic
> > men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli.
> > The groups did not differ in
> > aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal
> > that the homophobic
> > individual is either unaware of or denies.
> >
> > *http://tinyurl.com/y5zhno
> >
> > *
>
>
>


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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[mrgmhale]

I have a few vertical apps, all Windows O/S based Server apps due to my
target market being required to use Windows.  VFP has been great, but I am
beginning to creep up on a capacity (2Gb/file) issue.  MySQL looked okay
until they bumped their Server fees for commercial distribution.  My clients
are used to not paying for a database Server, so that limits my choices.  I
have been focused on PostGreSQL as it has no license fee whatever for
personal, commercial or commercial with a license fee based app using it.
For In House systems I am going to have to use Windows 2000/2003+ Server
with CAL licenses.  But for any web based stuff I am going to migrate to a
Linux Server to host the PostgreSQL Server(s).  Walking now, will be running
and sprinting by early Spring.


Gil

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
>
>
> Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> > On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not
> >> free when its used in a commercial application
> >
> > The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using
> > it in-house, you do not need to license it.
>
> I understand this point.  Seems that a few people here have vertical apps
> and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free.
>
>
>
>
> Stephen Russell
> DBA / .Net Developer
>
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RE: camera test

[Andy Davies]

Dave Crozier said (private email):
>Andy,
>I've just run a couple of diagnostics and the 1024 port is definitely not
>visible my side of the fence so you need to allow TCP/UDP output. Can you
>try disabling the firewall for a time just to see if I can see it then?

Dave,
the camera is supposed to use port 1024
the setup is a bit complicated because it's using the wireless router <=>
adsl modem/ router setup that I posted about on Profox recently.
there seems to be a lot of confusion on the web about lan/ wan setup -
including the Linksys site, but I *think* I've got a working setup:
(I'll copy this post to Profox)   N.B. needs monospaced font:

--
 --
 --{Tel}
 -<...>
 --~-
  -~-
  -
  <...>
 unused =-

I have opened up port 1024 (on both routers!), and for a brief period I put
the camera on the dmz (I think - Zyxel call it 'default'), also on both
routers. No luck so far.
Everything else seems to work with the above setup (dhcp disabed on the
wireless router and 'server' on the Zyxel Modem/router (.33-.65),
everything on dhcp except the wireless router *local* ip address is ...222
and the camera is ...122)
 - I can access the web via cable of wireles, vpn works, I can telnet to
the modem/router at ...1 access the web control pages of the wireless
router at ...222 and the camera at ...122 - which also lets me view the
camera.

I just can't see the camera on the web.

btw I convinced myself about this setup when I got my head round the fact
that a router routes 'foreign' addresses and 'loops' local subnet
addresses, and that from a setup pov there is no difference between a hub
and a switch.

Linksys themselves describe their wireless router as a wireless access
point linked to a four port switch, but for router-router connection* they
still suggest connecting the outer (dhcp enabled) router to the uplink port
of the inner (dhcp disabled) router - but if that fails try one of the lan
ports

* they deprecate this but *don't* say it invalidates warranty


Andrew Davies  MBCS CITP
  - AndyD    8-)#


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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Stephen the Cook]

Ted Roche <> wrote:

> The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain
> why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I 
> suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound
> awfully suspicious. 

I wish they broke out the true costs associated with the server OS costs and
the database costs.

Going to the free DB2 version makes sense for IBM to tout.  You don't need
the W-OS because it will run on Linux.  And it's
 small enough a system to live in our free space.  Much like the M$ or
Oracle versions of "free." 


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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ted Roche]

On 12/11/06, Stephen the Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I understand this point.  Seems that a few people here have vertical apps
> and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free.
>

It's free as in freedom, but may not be free as in cost, to a
commercial distributor who's charging money for it. If a free as in
cost solution is desired, PostgreSQL, Firebird and SQLite all offer
free-as-in-freedom answers. Most commercial vendors also offer a
limited closed source database.

The case study you cite doesn't supply enough information to explain
why a vendor or their customer (BYU) is paying $75k (annually, I
suspect) to distribute a database about 300 courses. That does sound
awfully suspicious.

-- 
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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Kevin Cully]

Ah.  There are other free (more) free databases as well.  PostgreSQL, 
Firebird, SQLLite, Berkeley DB, and others.  Hey, the Foxpro database is 
free but it's not a server itself.

Choices are good.  I'm still guessing that a lot of the savings in the 
article come from the M$ Server licenses, and in switching to Linux or 
UNIX servers.

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CULLY Technologies, LLC

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Stephen the Cook wrote:
> I understand this point.  Seems that a few people here have vertical apps
> and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free.  



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RE: [OT] A Soldier's Prayer for America in 2008

[Hal Kaplan]

=> Subject: Re: [OT] A Soldier's Prayer for America in 2008
=> 
=> On Dec 10, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
=> 
=> > How do you figure that. ?
=> > Most of us that have been in the service didn't like it, 
=> but we did 
=> > what was necessary.
=> 

I volunteered and enjoyed my 4 years of active duty immeasurably except for 
Basic Training and KP, which was sadistic and demeaning although it was a 
phrenologic holiday.  I made lots of great friends, learned some neat skills, 
and did some computer stuff that had never been done before (or since).  

Active duty is the only way to go.  If you are going to be in it, then be in 
it.  That reserve crap is great as long as there is no war or similar activity. 
 The reservists got to see the down-side of their deal and now a lot of them 
are pissed.

B+
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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Stephen the Cook]

Ed Leafe <> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> the few times I've read the mySQL website it said that mySQL is not
>> free when its used in a commercial application
> 
>   The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using
> it in-house, you do not need to license it. 

I understand this point.  Seems that a few people here have vertical apps
and may be inclined to think that the product, MySQL, is free.  




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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[vbiersch]

say my map site gets bought out by a reunion site or I start getting one 
hundred thousand hits a day

on the treo so my typing isn't too good

-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:14 am
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On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need  
> their support ?

Define 'takes off'.

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 10:09 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

> what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need  
> their support ?

Define 'takes off'.

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[vbiersch]

what about if I have an application that takes off but I don't need their 
support ?

-Original Message-

From:  Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Date:  Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:57 am
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On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not  
> free when its used in a commercial application

The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using  
it in-house, you do not need to license it.

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not  
> free when its used in a commercial application

The GPL only restricts distribution. As long as you are only using  
it in-house, you do not need to license it.

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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 11, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Kevin Cully wrote:

> I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!?   
> I'm
> not getting the whole picture here.

Technically, you don't need a license to use MySQL; you only need a  
license if you distribute it. However, if your business depends on  
the database, you typically want support. The support packages are  
only available from MySQL for the licensed versions, and they are  
pretty pricey. That's their business model: make it free to nearly  
everyone, but get those people who are using it to make money pay for  
that privilege.

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RE: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Hal Kaplan]

You can get it for free and use it as much as you like, but if you pay
the distributor, you can have your hand held and occasionally, a
massage.

Sorry, but I do not have the numbers handy.

The story sounds like it is really about server envy, a condition that
affects 93% of all CEOs over the age of 38.  Fortunately for me, I've
had a servotomy and now I don't care how big your server is compared to
mine.

B+
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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[vbiersch]

the few times I've read the mysql website it said that mysql is not free when 
its used in a commercial application
-Original Message-

From:  Kevin Cully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subj:  Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?
Date:  Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:42 am
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An IBM Business Partner switches off of MySQL to go with DB2?  Are they 
paying to be an IBM Business Partner?  It seems like they're paying a 
lot in fees for a 300 course database with related child tables.  Heck, 
I would think Access could handle that load.

"By converting to IBM DB2 9, Makau saved about $75,000 in MySQL and 
Windows server licensing fees"

I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!?  I'm 
not getting the whole picture here.

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Stephen Russell wrote:
> The number one reason we moved to DB2 9 is cost savings. We were spending a
> lot on licenses with MySQL -- and DB2 9 Express-C 9 is free.



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Re: [NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Kevin Cully]

An IBM Business Partner switches off of MySQL to go with DB2?  Are they 
paying to be an IBM Business Partner?  It seems like they're paying a 
lot in fees for a 300 course database with related child tables.  Heck, 
I would think Access could handle that load.

"By converting to IBM DB2 9, Makau saved about $75,000 in MySQL and 
Windows server licensing fees"

I understand the savings on Windows Server licensing, but MySQL?!?  I'm 
not getting the whole picture here.

Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC

Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net


Stephen Russell wrote:
> The number one reason we moved to DB2 9 is cost savings. We were spending a
> lot on licenses with MySQL -- and DB2 9 Express-C 9 is free.



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[NF] What is the cost for MySQL anyway?

[Stephen Russell]

The number one reason we moved to DB2 9 is cost savings. We were spending a
lot on licenses with MySQL -- and DB2 9 Express-C 9 is free. In addition, we
feel much better about the short- and long-term support that we get from IBM
for the DB2 platform -- and being able to pass that on to our customers. Our
clients feel much more comfortable with DB2, knowing it's backed by IBM." -
Mark Lindsay, vice president of sales, Makau Corporation




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Memphis TN 38115
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missiles and misguided men." 
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Re: [OT] A Soldier's Prayer for America in 2008

[Ed Leafe]

On Dec 10, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> How do you figure that. ?
> Most of us that have been in the service didn’t like it, but we did  
> what was
> necessary.

Simple: you start out by defining "real soldier" to be one who  
reflects your personal beliefs, and ipso facto, any soldier who has  
differing opinions may be disregarded, as they aren't a "real"  
soldier. It's the same technique used by brilliant minds to determine  
who "real" Christians are, or who "real" Americans are, etc. Try it -  
it works every time!

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Re: [OT] Madagain and Pete EXPLAINED!

[Helio W.]

**

*Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian*




*10* - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by
other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of
yours.

*9* - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people
evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical
claim that we were created from dirt.

*8 *- You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a
Triune God.

*7* - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to
Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah
slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination
of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

*6* - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about
gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy
Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed,
came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

*5* - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the
scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find
nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting
in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

*4* - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the
exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all
rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet
consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."


*3* - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have
failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor
speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove"
Christianity.

*2* - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered
prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think
that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

*1* - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about
the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a
Christian.


On 12/7/06, Helio W. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess we all already knew this, but now there's scientifically studied
> evidence.
>
>
> Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?
>
> Henry E. Adams, Lester W. Wright, Jr., and Bethany A. Lohr
> University of Georgia
>
> The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively
> heterosexual men who ad-
> mitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants
> consisted of a group of homo-
> phobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were
> assigned to groups
> on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W.
> A. Ricketts, 1980).
> The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of
> heterosexual, male homosex-
> ual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were
> monitored. They also com-
> pleted an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992 ). Both
> groups exhibited increases
> in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos.
> Only the homophobic
> men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The
> groups did not differ in
> aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal
> that the homophobic
> individual is either unaware of or denies.
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/y5zhno
>
> *


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RE: [NF] MySQL List

[John Weller]

> > I've looked at the user forums but they are not as user-friendly as this
> > list.  
> 
> Very few are !
> 
> > Is there an equivalent list for MySQL?
> >
I've obviously been spoilt :-)) 


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RE: [NF] MySQL Queries

[John Weller]

Thanks Ed, I'm now a lot clearer.

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ed Leafe
> Sent: 10 December 2006 13:25
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] MySQL Queries
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2006, at 11:03 AM, John Weller wrote:
>
> > Q1.  When I add a user with MySQL Administrator there is a
> > Resources tab for
> > no of queries, etc with the values set to 0.  Does 0 mean no
> > queries or
> > unlimited queries?  There doesn't seem to be any mention in the
> > help file.
>
>   Setting to zero means 'no limit'.
>
> > Q2. At the moment I have MySQL installed on my dev machine so that any
> > network issues are removed.  I have one user, apart from 'root',
> > 'john'@'localhost'.  If I subsequently remove that installation and
> > install
> > it on a server with a machine name of 'dataserver' and connect to
> > it from a
> > workstation called 'work1' would I need two users,
> > 'john'@'localhost' to
> > access the data directly from the server and 'john'@'work1' to
> > access from
> > the workstation?
>
>   Yes, or you could use "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to mean user 'john' from any 
> non-
> local host.
>
> > Q3. Does % in a user name, as in 'john'@'%', imply the wildcard?
> > In other
> > words if I say DROP USER 'john'@'%' would all users with the name
> > john be
> > dropped so, in the example above, 'john'@'work1' and
> > 'john'@'localhost'
> > would be dropped?
>
>   Not quite. The '%' is a wildcard, but it means all *network* host
> addresses. 'localhost' is not considered a network address.
>
>   Most sites set up a root-like user that is only accessible from
> localhost; this way, the only way to get that level of access is by
> physically accessing the machine, or by ssh-tunneling into it.
>
> -- Ed Leafe
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>
>
>
>
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RE: [NF] MySQL List

[John Weller]

Not yet but I certainly will!  Thanks.

John Weller
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Grigore Dolghin
> Sent: 10 December 2006 13:04
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF] MySQL List
>
>
> Have you tried  groups.yahoo.com/group/vfpmysql ?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Weller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:06 AM
> Subject: [NF] MySQL List
>
>
> > I've just started looking at using MySQL as a back end in anger.  I'm
> > using
> > Whil's book on MySQL Client-Server Applications with VFP - it's
> brilliant,
> > exactly what I need.  I'm getting some issues however where I
> need advice.
> > I've looked at the user forums but they are not as user-friendly as this
> > list.  Is there an equivalent list for MySQL?
> >
> > John Weller
> > 01380 723235
> > 07976 393631
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [NF] Voip/Pstn exchange plan

[Tristan Leask]

Hi Guys,

Continuing my plan to understand VOIP and all its apparent
brilliantness, I really need to understand some of the fundamentals.

My first question is as there are many different providers out there; I
assume that calls from provider to provider are not free (voip to voip).

Is there any good site on how it all works?  I have my theories but I
assume they are probably very wrong.  The parts I am interested in are
these calls to different voip providers and not the calls back on to the
old analogue networks.

Cheers

Tristan

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