RE: [OT] Heaven just got more crowded

[Michael Madigan]

If it wasn't for Jerry Falwell, Ronald Reagan would
have never been elected.

God Bless Jerry Falwell

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> God bless Jerry Falwell.
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RE: [OT] Heaven just got more crowded

[john harvey]

God bless Jerry Falwell.

JH



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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Michael Madigan]

They tried to remove Lieberman from the Democratic
Party, so I guess technically he's still a Democrat.

Zell Miller is no longer in the senate.

It's hard to find some, isn't it.

What happened to the Harry Truman Democrats?  Have
they all become Republicans?



--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 11:37 pm, Michael Madigan
> wrote:
> > Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq.  Name a
> > Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> Does Lieberman count? What about that other guy,
> Zell Miller? Whatever 
> happened to him? So two out of a few hundred isn't
> that bad, eh?
> -- 
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 11:37 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq.  Name a
> Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq.

Hi Michael!

Does Lieberman count? What about that other guy, Zell Miller? Whatever 
happened to him? So two out of a few hundred isn't that bad, eh?
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:43 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> I understand.
> BUT, do you want to see people go to jail because they can't afford the
> attorney, OR because they're guilty.

Hi Virgil!

I am not qualified to say whether or not they are guilty - that is determined 
at their trial, what I observed was the lawyers' obscession with money. When 
there is legal aid, something that would be impossible if your outrageous 
proposal were adopted, they get a different attorney when the first one 
bails.

Talk about prejudicing the case: "Your honor, I exercise my right to recuse 
myself from this case since the defendant is obviously s guilty". What if 
the defendant were you?
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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Michael Madigan]

This beats the hell out of the anemic, ugly and
effeminate Prius.

Why would you drive a Prius when you could drive the
Jetta?





--- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available
> in January of 2008, 
> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60
> mpg on the highway.  
> Excert below or click link for entire article:
> 
> #-
> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen will
> arrive in U.S. 
> showrooms in January, equipped with a 2.0-liter
> clean diesel engine that 
> makes 140 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque.
> It is mated to a 
> six-speed DSG transmission. VW of America Spokesman
> Keith Price said the 
> automaker is anticipating EPA numbers of 40 mpg in
> city driving and 60 
> mpg on the highway for the diesel SportWagen. The
> vehicle will be 
> available in all 50 states, marking the first time a
> diesel Jetta will 
> be available nationwide since 1999, he noted
> 
>
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120684
> #-
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

[Jaime Vasquez]

Derek Kalweit wrote:

> 
> boost. Having a minor issue I haven't looked into now with not being
> able to get the SP results through ADO, but I'm sure I'll be able to
> figure that one out... 

Just select at the end of the SP the data you want in the Recordset:

create proc test_sp

as

select * from sysobjects


-

Now when you call that sp with ado the recordset will get all the data 
the last command is selecting:

(Untested code)

dim oconn as adodb.connection
dim ors as adodb.recordset

set oconn = new adodb.connection

let oconn.connectionstring = "your connection string"

oconn.open

'now call the sp and get the data into the recordset:
set ors = oconn.execute("test_sp")

do while not ors.eof
 debug.print ors.fields(0).value
 ors.movenext
loop

..



HTH


Saludos
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Michael Madigan]

Name a Democrat who wants to win in Iraq.  Name a
Democrat who doesn't want to surrender in Iraq.

> 
> >From the same place Republicans find the chutzpah
> to blame the 
> Democrats for "ensur[ing] our defeat and humiliation
> in Iraq"?



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RE: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

[Stephen the Cook]

Derek Kalweit <> wrote:
>> OK. I can't understand why, but using dateadd() or using the T-SQL
>> with variables as Ricardo recommended causes the statement to execute
>> sub-second compared to the 17-30 second response otherwise. MSSQL
>> Query Analyzer shows a different execution plan using getdate()-7
>> versus dateadd(day, -7, getdate()):
> 
> All that, and I go to implement the 'fix' and realize that the
> getdate() and getdate()-7 was only for my debugging the statement and
> is not the real problem... Using literal dates in the string(which is
> what the actual code does) is just as slow as using getdate() and
> getdate()-7. I tried wrapping them with dateadd(day,0,...) functions,
> and it's still slow... ideas?

What is the execution plan for your code?  Ctrl + L is the keystroke for
generating it I think.  

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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I understand.
BUT, do you want to see people go to jail because they can't afford the
attorney, OR because they're guilty.

Like I said earlier, Lets fix the problem.
I believe my solution will do that.

Now I've been under the trailer all day fixing plumbing problems, so I'm
probably tired and stupid.
But I still believe my solution will do just that.

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:10 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

Hi Virgil!

Oh, I used to work with about 100 lawyers, I know them fairly well.

> I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion.
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> > Think about what you just said.
> > You're on trial
> > You're innocent.
> > Why would your lawyer believe that you were guilty.
>
> Because he found out I didn't have enough money for his fee? With the
> system we have there is legal aid, what you are proposing would send all
the
> charitable lawyers to jail.
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:10 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

Hi Virgil!

Oh, I used to work with about 100 lawyers, I know them fairly well.

> I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion.
>
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> > Think about what you just said.
> > You're on trial
> > You're innocent.
> > Why would your lawyer believe that you were guilty.
>
> Because he found out I didn't have enough money for his fee? With the
> system we have there is legal aid, what you are proposing would send all the
> charitable lawyers to jail.
-- 
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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

>  Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
>  mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
>  deal with god.
> >>> I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
> >>
> >> Yep!
> >
> > I see.
>
> Good. It's good when your eyes open. Isn't it?
> I'll be expecting your check this month and your prayers by tomorrow.
> Pax Vobiscum.

Hi Ricardo!

You have made an assumption, something the real God would never do. You 
assumed that *I* believed you were God, which I do not. I only believe that 
*you* believe you are God, something I have suspected for quite a while. If 
you were really God you would have already have known this, but . . .
-- 
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RE: [OT] Italian Motivation

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Her and ann margeret have always looked that way...

HOT...!!!


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Yeah. She still looks good especially to another 70ish person.


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> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 5:12 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
>> Soccer fan Sofia Loren to strip if team moves up
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1508471620070515
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> MILAN (Reuters) - A striptease by 72-year-old actress Sofia Loren
> 
> Hi Ed!
> 
> Sofia Loren may be the prettiest 72 year old woman ever. Wow!
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [OT] Italian Motivation

[Nicholas Geti]

Yeah. She still looks good especially to another 70ish person.


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> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 5:12 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
>> Soccer fan Sofia Loren to strip if team moves up
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1508471620070515
>>
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> MILAN (Reuters) - A striptease by 72-year-old actress Sofia Loren
> 
> Hi Ed!
> 
> Sofia Loren may be the prettiest 72 year old woman ever. Wow!
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
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> 



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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion.

Virgil Bierschwale
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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Think about what you just said.
> You're on trial
> You're innocent.
> Why would your lawyer believe that you were guilty.

Hi Virgil!

Because he found out I didn't have enough money for his fee? With the system

we have there is legal aid, what you are proposing would send all the 
charitable lawyers to jail.
-- 
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Re: [OT] Race to the Bottom

[Nicholas Geti]

NO.


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>>
>
> Hey! Did it ever occurred to you that YOU might be the bullies?
>



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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:30 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>> Pete Theisen wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>>> 
>>>
 Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
 mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
 deal with god.
>>> Hi Ricardo!
>>>
>>> I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
>> Yep!
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
> I see.

Good. It's good when your eyes open. Isn't it?
I'll be expecting your check this month and your prayers by tomorrow.
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Re: [OT] there's still time

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Also, Tony Blair will be stepping down as Prime Minister of Britain.  
Tony Blair has always been a stanch supporter of the Bush 
Administration, which is the main reason for his leaving office.  If 
Tony Blair was not a Neoconservative, he certainly when out of his way 
to support the Neoconservative agenda.

Regards,

LelandJ

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Another good thing is we no longer have Harriet Miers whispering advice 
> into President Bush's ear.  She is gone, but we really dodged the bullet 
> when Harriet Miers was shot down as President Bush's nomination to the 
> Supreme Court.
>
> Also, Carl Rove seem to be going from one mess to the next, which has 
> keep him off balance and caused him a loss of power.  He was under the 
> gun for being involved in giving up a secret server agent, and most 
> recently he seem to be involved in a scheme to politicizing the Justice 
> department by firing attorney who are not in the pocket of the GOP.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
> Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> Some of the pillars of the Bush Administration have fallen, and others 
>> are crumbling as I type.  It is only a matter of time until the entire 
>> Administration collapses.
>>
>> Some of the pillars that have fallen are:
>>
>> Former Attorney General  John Ascropt
>>
>> Former GOP House Majority Leader Tom "The Hammer" Delay.
>>
>> Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfelt
>>
>> The Democrats swept to victory in the 2006 elections, and now control 
>> both the House and the Senate.  Senator Harry Ried replaced Bill Frist 
>> as the Senate Majority Leader, and Nancy Pelosi replaced J. Dennis 
>> Hastertas the Speaker of the House of representatives.
>>
>> John Negroponte no longer heads the top intelligent position in the 
>> country (e.g. Director of U.S. intelligence), and has been moved to 
>> Deputy Secretary of State working under Condi Rice.
>>
>> Director of the CIA George Tenet has now been replaced.
>>
>> There are others who have been greatly weakened over the past couple of 
>> years, but are not yet removed including:
>>
>> Attorney General Gonzales who is among the walk dead of the Bush 
>> Administration.
>>
>> Vice President Dick Cheney has lost almost all credibility both within 
>> the Bush Administration as well as outside the Bush Administration.  
>> Vice President Dick Cheney's dismal record of failures, questionable 
>> judgments, and obsessive, compulsive disorder regarding terrorism , 
>> along with his remarks regarding "WMD", "Being welcomed with open arm in 
>> Iraq", "the insurgency is in its last throws", etc  is what Vice 
>> President Cheney has to thank for his loss of esteem.
>>
>> Director of NSA, Michael Hayden, has been under intense scrutiny by 
>> Congress and the American people for violation of constitutional 
>> protections of privacy and has been wounded.
>>
>> There have been calls for repelling some provision of the Patriot Act, 
>> so and to strengthen the American Constitution as he one and only 
>> Supreme law of the land.
>>
>> Progress to get American straighten out has been slow but steady and 
>> over the last three or four years, much has changed for the better.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>
>> Bill Arnold wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> "Here, at 4.44 am on, a US patrol in two vehicles was surprised and
>>> overrun by insurgents. The burned bodies of four soldiers and an Iraqi
>>> interpreter were found on the road. Three others had disappeared. It was
>>> obviously a mistake for a small and isolated detachment to be in an
>>> insurgent-controlled area. Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a
>>> relieving force took an hour to reach them."
>>>
>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2542384.ece
>>>
>>>
>>> "Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a relieving force took an hour
>>> to reach them"
>>>
>>> How many reports like this do we need before we realize ...?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> The neocon mission was to establish authority in the ME. They disguised
>>> and packaged the mission with puffery laced with deceit, and convinced
>>> enough people to go along with their agenda to get that invasion
>>> launched. 
>>>
>>> True to the fanatic mold, they completely miscalculated two crucial
>>> areas. First they miscalculated the resistance, and second they
>>> miscalculated popular support. They've evidentially found enough
>>> professional solider-types from a population of 300 million to keep the
>>> fighting going, and they have extracted enough of our tax money over
>>> time to build a formidable arsenal. But as history has shown time and
>>> time again, there is no power stronger then the dedicated "hearts and
>>> minds" of people who refuse to be conquered. The TV distorts this
>>> resistance behind a  cloak of "sectarian violence", but the truth is
>>> that people in the Arab/Muslim world will not tolerate being occupied.
>>> Surely we must intuitively know this, because we ourselves wouldn't
>>> tolerate it

Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Yeah, I can see there are a lot of possibilities with a Sprinter Van.  I 
guess it all depends on what you're looking for in a vehicle.

Regards,

LelandJ


Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:37 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> 
>   
>> Still, the Sprinter Van wouldn't be the way to go on a long trip cross
>> country, vacation, or for making long commutes to work.
>> 
>
>  Hi Leland!
>
> http://www.sportsmobile.com/2_sr_classc_info.html
>
> Sprinter van underneath it all. Vacation, long trip or just tailgate partying 
> in the parking lot. Why commute? Live in the parking lot at work.
>   
>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:29 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>>>   
 The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008,
 with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.
 Excert below or click link for entire article:

 #-
 A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen
 
>>> Hi Leland!
>>>
>>> Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/dd888
>>>   



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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Think about what you just said.
> You're on trial
> You're innocent.
> Why would your lawyer believe that you were guilty.

Hi Virgil!

Because he found out I didn't have enough money for his fee? With the system 
we have there is legal aid, what you are proposing would send all the 
charitable lawyers to jail.
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Re: [OT] Hell just got more crowded

[Ed Leafe]

On May 15, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Vince Teachout wrote:

> What does the "S" stand for?

Suffer.

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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:37 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

> Still, the Sprinter Van wouldn't be the way to go on a long trip cross
> country, vacation, or for making long commutes to work.

 Hi Leland!

http://www.sportsmobile.com/2_sr_classc_info.html

Sprinter van underneath it all. Vacation, long trip or just tailgate partying 
in the parking lot. Why commute? Live in the parking lot at work.
> > On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:29 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> >> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008,
> >> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.
> >> Excert below or click link for entire article:
> >>
> >> #-
> >> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen
> >
> > Hi Leland!
> >
> > Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dd888
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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:17 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> You would have to give up a lot of maneuverability for the addition
>> space.  Can you imagine the body roll that thing would have on a winding
>> road.  How could you keep it from rolling over.
>> 
>
> Hi Leland!
>
> I have a class a cdl, I bet I could manage. WAY smaller and WAY lower than my 
> old International 9670. Try 75 feet long and 13'6" high, on average.
>   
Yeah, I was just thinking you would probably love to test drive a 
Sprinter Van; since, you are a truck driver from way back. 

Regards,

LelandJ


> http://tinyurl.com/27lfon
>   
>> The station wagon and cross-over are designed to hug the road, even
>> around sharp turns at high speeds.  The Sprinter Van look like it would
>> be about as much fun to drive as a school bus.
>> 
>
> Love school buses, went to camp every summer in them.
>   
>>> Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/dd888
>>>   



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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:31 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> >>  let me rephrase it.
> >>
> >> If I choose evil, there are two possibilities, I do it because society
> >> educated (or brainwashed) me to do it that way or I do it because my
> >> inner self tells me to do so.
> >
> > Hi Ricardo!
> >
> >  That is in no way a rephrase of what I said. However, it is a
> > typical secular outlook.
>
> And that's a typical answer. No answer at all!

Hi Ricardo!

Ask God to explain it to you, since he speaks to you.
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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:30 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Pete Theisen wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> > 
> >
> >> Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
> >> mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
> >> deal with god.
> >
> > Hi Ricardo!
> >
> > I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
>
> Yep!

Hi Ricardo!

I see.
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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 9:17 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> You would have to give up a lot of maneuverability for the addition
> space.  Can you imagine the body roll that thing would have on a winding
> road.  How could you keep it from rolling over.

Hi Leland!

I have a class a cdl, I bet I could manage. WAY smaller and WAY lower than my 
old International 9670. Try 75 feet long and 13'6" high, on average.

http://tinyurl.com/27lfon
>
> The station wagon and cross-over are designed to hug the road, even
> around sharp turns at high speeds.  The Sprinter Van look like it would
> be about as much fun to drive as a school bus.

Love school buses, went to camp every summer in them.
> > Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/dd888
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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Think about what you just said.
You're on trial
You're innocent.
Why would your lawyer believe that you were guilty.

Now look at the other side.
You're on trial
You're guilty
You brag to your attorney OR you offer to make him a wealthy man/woman

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:03 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Think about what you just said.
> If innocent people are getting convicted, don't you think that there is a
> chance it is because of these same unscrupulous lawyers ??
>
> If that were the case, then getting rid of unscrupulous attorneys would
fix
> both problems.

Hi Virgil!

Providing legal counsel to a guilty but presumed innocent person is a 
constitutionally protected activity, hardly unscrupulous. If the lawyer were

bringing the perp drugs in jail, that would be unscrupulous.

Now you think about what YOU just said. You are on trial, you are innocent
but 
your lawyer decides that you are guilty and dumps you. Wouldn't everyone
else 
ask "Why did his lawyer dump him?" What kind of a fair trial do you get
then? 
You are innocent, remember?

But cheer up, You might get a nice cell. Better than being homeless.
-- 
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Pete
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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

O/K, after reading the article I think the Sprinter Van is very 
interesting.  It combines the diesel engine with the efficiency of 
storing otherwise wasted fuel in the form of electricity to power an 
electric engine.  Diesel is perfect of this very heavy Van that could be 
used to deliver products.  Perhaps UPS and FedEx would benefit from 
moving to something along the lines of the  Sprinter Van.

Still, the Sprinter Van wouldn't be the way to go on a long trip cross 
country, vacation, or for making long commutes to work.

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:29 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008,
>> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.
>> Excert below or click link for entire article:
>>
>> #-
>> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen
>> 
>
> Hi Leland!
>
> Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dd888
>
>   



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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:16 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
>>> That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle
>>> cannot be, it is a contradiction in terms.
>>>
>>> If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he
>>> could not lift it, such a rock could not be.
>>  let me rephrase it.
>>
>> If I choose evil, there are two possibilities, I do it because society
>> educated (or brainwashed) me to do it that way or I do it because my
>> inner self tells me to do so.
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
>  That is in no way a rephrase of what I said. However, it is a 
> typical 
> secular outlook.

And that's a typical answer. No answer at all!



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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
>> mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
>> deal with god.
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
> I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?

Yep!



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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

You would have to give up a lot of maneuverability for the addition 
space.  Can you imagine the body roll that thing would have on a winding 
road.  How could you keep it from rolling over.

The station wagon and cross-over are designed to hug the road, even 
around sharp turns at high speeds.  The Sprinter Van look like it would 
be about as much fun to drive as a school bus.  Beside, the Station 
Wagon has made a come back is a hot item for today.

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:29 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008,
>> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.
>> Excert below or click link for entire article:
>>
>> #-
>> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen
>> 
>
> Hi Leland!
>
> Too little. I like some space in my wagon.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/dd888
>
>   



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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Boy, this is really something to think about as gasoline prices in the 
US hit all time highs at $3.10 on average per gallon for regular.  
President Bush, at the insistence of the Supreme Court, has ask his 
folks in the energy departments to find ways to reduce petrol 
consumption 20% by the year 2010.  Should we expect to see a tax on 
gasoline to make diesel more appealing to the masses?  This would be a 
good strategy to push consumer toward diesel powered vehicles which 
yield more mile per gallon than gasoline cars.

I hope Madigan doesn't have any problems understanding why gasoline 
prices are going up.  If so, they are going up right now for the same 
reason they were coming down just before the 2006 elections (eg because 
the oil companies are telling the service station they own to set their 
pump prices to these higher levels, just like the oil companies were 
telling the service stations they owned to set their prices to lower 
levels prior to the 2006 elections).   Still, the economic reality 
over the long haul is demand that will outrun supplies, driving prices 
up to levels where customers will be forced to consume less of the 
product, or switch to alternatives to petrol energy.

Regards,

LelandJ

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008, 
> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.  
> Excert below or click link for entire article:
>
> #-
> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen will arrive in U.S. 
> showrooms in January, equipped with a 2.0-liter clean diesel engine that 
> makes 140 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque. It is mated to a 
> six-speed DSG transmission. VW of America Spokesman Keith Price said the 
> automaker is anticipating EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 
> mpg on the highway for the diesel SportWagen. The vehicle will be 
> available in all 50 states, marking the first time a diesel Jetta will 
> be available nationwide since 1999, he noted
>
> http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120684
> #-
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
>
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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:49 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Whoops, I should have said Fred Thompson

Hi Leland!

You would never, and I do mean never, think of torture?

> >> Did he threaten him with torcher?
> >
> > Hi Michael!
> >
> > Considering his name, perhaps a submachine gunner?
> >
> >> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or
> >>> any one else holding
> >>> such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and
> >>> torcher
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Re: [OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:29 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008,
> with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.
> Excert below or click link for entire article:
>
> #-
> A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen

Hi Leland!

Too little. I like some space in my wagon.

http://tinyurl.com/dd888

-- 
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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Whoops, I should have said Fred Thompson, but I hope he decides not to 
run for President, so his name doesn't matter.  Anyway, he should treat 
Michael Moore with more respect; since, he and Michael are both in the 
same business of making movies.  Don't you think Fred's contemporaries 
in the movie business deserve better from him?

Regards,

LelandJ

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:12 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
>   
>> Did he threaten him with torcher?
>> 
>
> Hi Michael!
>
> Considering his name, perhaps a submachine gunner?
>   
>> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or
>>> any one else holding
>>> such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and
>>> torcher
>>>   



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Re: [OT] there's still time

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:42 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
>   
>> Another good thing is we no longer have Harriet Miers whispering advice
>> into President Bush's ear.  She is gone, but we really dodged the bullet
>> when Harriet Miers was shot down as President Bush's nomination to the
>> Supreme Court.
>>
>> Also, Carl Rove seem to be going from one mess to the next, which has
>> keep him off balance and caused him a loss of power.  He was under the
>> gun for being involved in giving up a secret server agent, and most
>> recently he seem to be involved in a scheme
>> 
>
> Hi Leland!
>
> Conveniently forgetting that neither Miers nor Rove were ever actually guilty 
> of any wrongdoing. Your usual careful self.
>   
The jury is still out on that.  From an "American Government" point of 
view, both Miers and Carl are guilty of subverting the traditional 
system of government as designed by the founding fathers, it seems to 
me, even if they never committed any criminal wrongs.

Regards,

LelandJ



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[OT] Volkswagen Rolls Out Golf Variant Sportline

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

The 2008 Jetta SportWagen Diesel will be available in January of 2008, 
with EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 mpg on the highway.  
Excert below or click link for entire article:

#-
A diesel version of the 2008 Jetta SportWagen will arrive in U.S. 
showrooms in January, equipped with a 2.0-liter clean diesel engine that 
makes 140 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque. It is mated to a 
six-speed DSG transmission. VW of America Spokesman Keith Price said the 
automaker is anticipating EPA numbers of 40 mpg in city driving and 60 
mpg on the highway for the diesel SportWagen. The vehicle will be 
available in all 50 states, marking the first time a diesel Jetta will 
be available nationwide since 1999, he noted

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=120684
#-

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 8:03 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Think about what you just said.
> If innocent people are getting convicted, don't you think that there is a
> chance it is because of these same unscrupulous lawyers ??
>
> If that were the case, then getting rid of unscrupulous attorneys would fix
> both problems.

Hi Virgil!

Providing legal counsel to a guilty but presumed innocent person is a 
constitutionally protected activity, hardly unscrupulous. If the lawyer were 
bringing the perp drugs in jail, that would be unscrupulous.

Now you think about what YOU just said. You are on trial, you are innocent but 
your lawyer decides that you are guilty and dumps you. Wouldn't everyone else 
ask "Why did his lawyer dump him?" What kind of a fair trial do you get then? 
You are innocent, remember?

But cheer up, You might get a nice cell. Better than being homeless.
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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Think about what you just said.
If innocent people are getting convicted, don't you think that there is a
chance it is because of these same unscrupulous lawyers ??

If that were the case, then getting rid of unscrupulous attorneys would fix
both problems.

Virgil Bierschwale
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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Two choices:
> 1. Fix the problem
> 2. bury your head in the sand and not fix the problem.

Hi Virgil!

I think the problem is the opposite of what you stated. You think it is 
terrible that guilty people get to have lawyers, evidently forgetting that 
innocent people are convicted fairly often. The latter problem would only
get 
worse if they had no representation.

Why, Bill would have done twice as much time as he has!
-- 
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:39 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Two choices:
> 1. Fix the problem
> 2. bury your head in the sand and not fix the problem.

Hi Virgil!

I think the problem is the opposite of what you stated. You think it is 
terrible that guilty people get to have lawyers, evidently forgetting that 
innocent people are convicted fairly often. The latter problem would only get 
worse if they had no representation.

Why, Bill would have done twice as much time as he has!
-- 
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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 7:12 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
> Did he threaten him with torcher?

Hi Michael!

Considering his name, perhaps a submachine gunner?
>
>
> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or
> > any one else holding
> > such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and
> > torcher
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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Two choices:
1. Fix the problem
2. bury your head in the sand and not fix the problem.

Virgil Bierschwale
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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:01 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail.
>
> It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his
> license forever in the event that he/she knowingly defend somebody where
> he/she knows beyond a shadow of doubt that they are guilty as charged.
>
> Granted, they will not know when they first assume the case, but there
> comes a point where they do and at that point, they should recuse
> themselves

Hi Virgil!

You'd never get that past the Supreme Court even if it were enacted by 
congress and signed by the president. This little problem of the 6th 
amendment.
-- 
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Pete
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Re: [OT] there's still time

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:42 pm, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Another good thing is we no longer have Harriet Miers whispering advice
> into President Bush's ear.  She is gone, but we really dodged the bullet
> when Harriet Miers was shot down as President Bush's nomination to the
> Supreme Court.
>
> Also, Carl Rove seem to be going from one mess to the next, which has
> keep him off balance and caused him a loss of power.  He was under the
> gun for being involved in giving up a secret server agent, and most
> recently he seem to be involved in a scheme

Hi Leland!

Conveniently forgetting that neither Miers nor Rove were ever actually guilty 
of any wrongdoing. Your usual careful self.
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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:16 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> > That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle
> > cannot be, it is a contradiction in terms.
> >
> > If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he
> > could not lift it, such a rock could not be.
>
>  let me rephrase it.
>
> If I choose evil, there are two possibilities, I do it because society
> educated (or brainwashed) me to do it that way or I do it because my
> inner self tells me to do so.

Hi Ricardo!

 That is in no way a rephrase of what I said. However, it is a typical 
secular outlook.
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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:05 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
> mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
> deal with god.

Hi Ricardo!

I see. God spoke to you and said He accepted this deal?
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 6:01 pm, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail.
>
> It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his
> license forever in the event that he/she knowingly defend somebody where
> he/she knows beyond a shadow of doubt that they are guilty as charged.
>
> Granted, they will not know when they first assume the case, but there
> comes a point where they do and at that point, they should recuse
> themselves

Hi Virgil!

You'd never get that past the Supreme Court even if it were enacted by 
congress and signed by the president. This little problem of the 6th 
amendment.
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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Whoops, I meant to say torture.

Regards,

LelandJ

Michael Madigan wrote:
> Did he threaten him with torcher?
>
>
> --- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or
>> any one else holding 
>> such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and
>> torcher by electric 
>> shock?
>>
>> I don't think I want Thompson for president, because
>> if it can happen to 
>> Michael Moore, it can to you or me.  Thompson seem
>> to care no more about 
>> Constitutional guarantees of freedom, due process,
>> and privacy than do 
>> the Nonconservative Bush Administration. 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Madigan wrote:
>> 
>>> This is great!
>>>
>>> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
>>>
>>> Right Wing, Conservative and Republican Gear!
>>> http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
>>>
>>> Thoroughbred Horse Racing Group
>>>
>>>   
> http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/mikes_horse_racing/
>   
>>>   
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Re: [OT] Hell just got more crowded

[Michael Madigan]

We expected nothing less from you.

He's actually in heaven with your aborted first child.





--- Ed Leafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   The man who said this about the September 11
> attacks:
> 
>   "I really believe that the pagans, the abortionists
> and the lesbians  
> … and all those who have tried to secularise America
> helped this  
> happen."
> 
> ...is finally gone. Too bad the stain of his
> influence couldn't go  
> with him.
> 
>   Jerry Falwell, S.I.H.
> 
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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Michael Madigan]

Did he threaten him with torcher?


--- "Leland F. Jackson, CPA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or
> any one else holding 
> such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and
> torcher by electric 
> shock?
> 
> I don't think I want Thompson for president, because
> if it can happen to 
> Michael Moore, it can to you or me.  Thompson seem
> to care no more about 
> Constitutional guarantees of freedom, due process,
> and privacy than do 
> the Nonconservative Bush Administration. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > This is great!
> >
> > http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
> >
> > Right Wing, Conservative and Republican Gear!
> > http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike
> >
> > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Group
> >
>
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/mikes_horse_racing/
> >
> >
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Re: [OT] there's still time

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Another good thing is we no longer have Harriet Miers whispering advice 
into President Bush's ear.  She is gone, but we really dodged the bullet 
when Harriet Miers was shot down as President Bush's nomination to the 
Supreme Court.

Also, Carl Rove seem to be going from one mess to the next, which has 
keep him off balance and caused him a loss of power.  He was under the 
gun for being involved in giving up a secret server agent, and most 
recently he seem to be involved in a scheme to politicizing the Justice 
department by firing attorney who are not in the pocket of the GOP.

Regards,

LelandJ

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> Some of the pillars of the Bush Administration have fallen, and others 
> are crumbling as I type.  It is only a matter of time until the entire 
> Administration collapses.
>
> Some of the pillars that have fallen are:
>
> Former Attorney General  John Ascropt
>
> Former GOP House Majority Leader Tom "The Hammer" Delay.
>
> Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfelt
>
> The Democrats swept to victory in the 2006 elections, and now control 
> both the House and the Senate.  Senator Harry Ried replaced Bill Frist 
> as the Senate Majority Leader, and Nancy Pelosi replaced J. Dennis 
> Hastertas the Speaker of the House of representatives.
>
> John Negroponte no longer heads the top intelligent position in the 
> country (e.g. Director of U.S. intelligence), and has been moved to 
> Deputy Secretary of State working under Condi Rice.
>
> Director of the CIA George Tenet has now been replaced.
>
> There are others who have been greatly weakened over the past couple of 
> years, but are not yet removed including:
>
> Attorney General Gonzales who is among the walk dead of the Bush 
> Administration.
>
> Vice President Dick Cheney has lost almost all credibility both within 
> the Bush Administration as well as outside the Bush Administration.  
> Vice President Dick Cheney's dismal record of failures, questionable 
> judgments, and obsessive, compulsive disorder regarding terrorism , 
> along with his remarks regarding "WMD", "Being welcomed with open arm in 
> Iraq", "the insurgency is in its last throws", etc  is what Vice 
> President Cheney has to thank for his loss of esteem.
>
> Director of NSA, Michael Hayden, has been under intense scrutiny by 
> Congress and the American people for violation of constitutional 
> protections of privacy and has been wounded.
>
> There have been calls for repelling some provision of the Patriot Act, 
> so and to strengthen the American Constitution as he one and only 
> Supreme law of the land.
>
> Progress to get American straighten out has been slow but steady and 
> over the last three or four years, much has changed for the better.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
>
> Bill Arnold wrote:
>   
>> "Here, at 4.44 am on, a US patrol in two vehicles was surprised and
>> overrun by insurgents. The burned bodies of four soldiers and an Iraqi
>> interpreter were found on the road. Three others had disappeared. It was
>> obviously a mistake for a small and isolated detachment to be in an
>> insurgent-controlled area. Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a
>> relieving force took an hour to reach them."
>>
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2542384.ece
>>
>>
>> "Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a relieving force took an hour
>> to reach them"
>>
>> How many reports like this do we need before we realize ...?
>>
>> --
>>
>> The neocon mission was to establish authority in the ME. They disguised
>> and packaged the mission with puffery laced with deceit, and convinced
>> enough people to go along with their agenda to get that invasion
>> launched. 
>>
>> True to the fanatic mold, they completely miscalculated two crucial
>> areas. First they miscalculated the resistance, and second they
>> miscalculated popular support. They've evidentially found enough
>> professional solider-types from a population of 300 million to keep the
>> fighting going, and they have extracted enough of our tax money over
>> time to build a formidable arsenal. But as history has shown time and
>> time again, there is no power stronger then the dedicated "hearts and
>> minds" of people who refuse to be conquered. The TV distorts this
>> resistance behind a  cloak of "sectarian violence", but the truth is
>> that people in the Arab/Muslim world will not tolerate being occupied.
>> Surely we must intuitively know this, because we ourselves wouldn't
>> tolerate it either.
>>  
>> This gang, the perpetrators of that invasion, are now plotting and
>> scheming to unleash the Big Guns, and we're still letting them get away
>> with it.
>>
>> How is this so? Because we're being fooled again. This time we're being
>> tricked into believing that because we've decided that invasion was a
>> mistake and no longer support it, they will listen and it will end.
>>
>> False! Why? Because the gang still has the power. They still control the
>> gates of Congres

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

If we removed the license from all prosecuting attorneys that knowingly 
convinced a man they new to be innocent beyond any doubt, their would be 
a human resource crises within DA offices across the country of the 
greatest magnitude.

 I believe it was the state of Illinois in which the governor  commuted 
the sentences of all who were on death row; after, DNA evidence showed 
that more than 30 percent of execution carried out in the state were of 
men innocent beyond any doubt of the crime.

Regards,

LelandJ


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail.
>
> It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his license
> forever in the event that he/she knowingly defend somebody where he/she
> knows beyond a shadow of doubt that they are guilty as charged.
>
> Granted, they will not know when they first assume the case, but there comes
> a point where they do and at that point, they should recuse themselves or if
> they don't and it turns out in the future that they were guilty and the
> attorney knew about it, then the state licensing associations first task
> should be to forever remove their ability to operate.
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:53 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>
> When did you acquire the ability to known when anyone is guilty beyond a 
> reasonable doubt?  America is blessed because we have a Constitution 
> that guarantees freedoms, due process, and privacy.  Part of the 
> Judicial system call for any accused to be put on trail before a jury of 
> their peers.
>
> An attorneys must be provided for the defendant, as the prosecutor is 
> usually a very skilled attorney.  Evidence must be presented from both 
> side to the court and the jury.  Then a jury decides guilt or innocent 
> based on the rule of law.  It's not a perfect system, but I'm so blessed 
> to live in a country where a system exists that strives to serve justice.
>
> If you have a better system of justice, I'm all ears.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>   
>> Leland, it is unsafe to go in neighborhoods here in the states where the
>> gangs have taken over.
>>
>> Why ?
>> Because of attorneys that let them go free even when the attorney knows
>> beyond a doubt that they are guilty.
>> Because of bleeding hearts that say their rights were violated.
>> Sorry folks. If you are guilty beyond a doubt, you no longer have any
>> rights.
>>
>> However that said, I do worry about people convicted by da's wanting to
>> 
> make
>   
>> a name for themselves and crooked cops wanting to do the same when in the
>> long run, dna tests prove that the person was not even involved..
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>>
>> The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of 
>> terrorism, should be prevention; not a focus on buggymen in Iraq that 
>> distract from the job of fighting crime.
>>
>> I want to be safe as much as anybody, but I would prefer to do it in a 
>> smart way, using intelligence agencies like NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, police 
>> and boarder patrol, and an aware American people; rather than being put 
>> in greater danger because the power that be drop the ball, because they 
>> are more interested in their own agenda and manipulating the American 
>> people to achieve it, than they are on keeping America safe.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
>>> visa.
>>> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
>>>
>>> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
>>> Hell, I'm all for that.
>>>
>>> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
>>> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
>>>
>>> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already
>>> 
>>>   
>> seen
>>   
>> 
>>> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
>>>
>>> Virgil Bierschwale
>>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>>> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>>   
> Behalf
>   
>>> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
>>> To: ProFox Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>>>
>>> President Bush is in a state of denial, because

Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:
> When did you acquire the ability to known when anyone is guilty beyond a 
> reasonable doubt?  America is blessed because we have a Constitution 
> that guarantees freedoms, due process, and privacy.  Part of the 
> Judicial system call for any accused to be put on trail before a jury of 
> their peers.

Sorry, but Virgil sent me a check and prays to me every night. I am god,
and I KNOW when anyone is guilty. And considering Virgil's checks are up
to date and his praying too, I tell him if someone is guilty. He only
has to ask.

> 
> An attorneys must be provided for the defendant, as the prosecutor is 
> usually a very skilled attorney.  Evidence must be presented from both 
> side to the court and the jury.  Then a jury decides guilt or innocent 
> based on the rule of law.  It's not a perfect system, but I'm so blessed 
> to live in a country where a system exists that strives to serve justice.
> 
> If you have a better system of justice, I'm all ears.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>> Leland, it is unsafe to go in neighborhoods here in the states where the
>> gangs have taken over.
>>
>> Why ?
>> Because of attorneys that let them go free even when the attorney knows
>> beyond a doubt that they are guilty.
>> Because of bleeding hearts that say their rights were violated.
>> Sorry folks. If you are guilty beyond a doubt, you no longer have any
>> rights.
>>
>> However that said, I do worry about people convicted by da's wanting to make
>> a name for themselves and crooked cops wanting to do the same when in the
>> long run, dna tests prove that the person was not even involved..
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>>
>


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[OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Eurico Chagas Filho]

Seriously.
Or a person is a believer or a non believer.
The arguments placed by these persons can be logical or mystical,
but hardly anyone will convince the other to change his views.
That's because the decision goes so deep into the mind in a way
we cannot begin to understand.

The non believers tend to use reasoning and science, being condescend 
in relation to the non believers or plain despise them.
But the believers are so enthralled by their views that many times they
cure themselves of diseases.

The keyword here is tolerance, we should accept different points of view
and allow the liberty of that. 

Discussion is ok, but to offend is horrible. Remember an idea may be dumb
but the guy can be a very good VFP programmer, right ?

Cheers, E. 

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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 3:22 pm, Robert Calco wrote:
> 
>>> How, then, do you find fault in something that is exactly as you
>>> intended it to be?
>> Some believe God has a feminine side. Maybe this is what they meant. ;)
>>
>> More seriously:
>>
>> 1 Corinthians 2:14-16
>>
>> Ed was on an interesting track, now he's reduced to "If God is omnipotent,
>> can he create a rock so big that He Himself can't lift it?" arguments...
> 
> Hi Bob!
> 
> That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle cannot 
> be, it is a contradiction in terms.
> 
> If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he could 
> not 
> lift it, such a rock could not be.
> 

 let me rephrase it.

If I choose evil, there are two possibilities, I do it because society
educated (or brainwashed) me to do it that way or I do it because my
inner self tells me to do so.
In the first case it would be unfair to blame me for being compelled by
society or whatever to do something. It is not my fault.
In the second case, we should consider how did I come to be who I am.
There are two cases too. First, I was born that way. Second, I evolved
through my choices to be who I am.
In the first case then I can not be blamed because if I was born that
way and god exists, then god made me that way. The responsibility is his.
In the second case, considering choices are discrete, there must be one
choice, the first one that got me on that track. Now that choice was
taken for two possible reasons. First, I was born that way => god's
fault. Second, I made choices that took me to that point but that can
not be because I have stated that this was the FIRST choice in that
direction.

So, IF GOD EXISTS THEN IT IS HIS FAULT.



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Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Ted Roche]

> Okokokok - it's because it's a legacy system already deployed in about
> 40 different locations.  ... The system is so simple, that it
> actually works remarkably well.

That's a really good reason to do it that way!


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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 2:53 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> 
>>> It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts
>>> down you declare yourself to be God.
>> 1 - It is in another thread. Have you ever heard about thread
>> separation? Kind of different conversations.
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
> This is a party conversation, the thread is the subject line.
> 
>> 2 - Tell the Jesuits they should include irony in the theology
>> curricula. It's a bigg hole in your education.
> 
> No It isn't. You communicate irony the same as non irony in your emails - 
> only 
> you knows it is irony. I don't think I would use irony in quite that way, 
> even if I were you.
> 
> So you didn't really mean to blaspheme. Thank goodness for that.

Yes, I meant to blaspheme. You see, amongst those little things you
mentioned that we are allowed to think as we wish I believe I have a
deal with god. I don't pay attention to whatever he says or does, and he
does the same with me. So you see, I'm allowed to blaspheme (according
to Presbyterianism).





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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Actually I like this system except for one minor little detail.

It should become immediately an offense where the attorney loses his license
forever in the event that he/she knowingly defend somebody where he/she
knows beyond a shadow of doubt that they are guilty as charged.

Granted, they will not know when they first assume the case, but there comes
a point where they do and at that point, they should recuse themselves or if
they don't and it turns out in the future that they were guilty and the
attorney knew about it, then the state licensing associations first task
should be to forever remove their ability to operate.


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:53 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

When did you acquire the ability to known when anyone is guilty beyond a 
reasonable doubt?  America is blessed because we have a Constitution 
that guarantees freedoms, due process, and privacy.  Part of the 
Judicial system call for any accused to be put on trail before a jury of 
their peers.

An attorneys must be provided for the defendant, as the prosecutor is 
usually a very skilled attorney.  Evidence must be presented from both 
side to the court and the jury.  Then a jury decides guilt or innocent 
based on the rule of law.  It's not a perfect system, but I'm so blessed 
to live in a country where a system exists that strives to serve justice.

If you have a better system of justice, I'm all ears.

Regards,

LelandJ

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Leland, it is unsafe to go in neighborhoods here in the states where the
> gangs have taken over.
>
> Why ?
> Because of attorneys that let them go free even when the attorney knows
> beyond a doubt that they are guilty.
> Because of bleeding hearts that say their rights were violated.
> Sorry folks. If you are guilty beyond a doubt, you no longer have any
> rights.
>
> However that said, I do worry about people convicted by da's wanting to
make
> a name for themselves and crooked cops wanting to do the same when in the
> long run, dna tests prove that the person was not even involved..
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>
> The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of 
> terrorism, should be prevention; not a focus on buggymen in Iraq that 
> distract from the job of fighting crime.
>
> I want to be safe as much as anybody, but I would prefer to do it in a 
> smart way, using intelligence agencies like NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, police 
> and boarder patrol, and an aware American people; rather than being put 
> in greater danger because the power that be drop the ball, because they 
> are more interested in their own agenda and manipulating the American 
> people to achieve it, than they are on keeping America safe.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>   
>> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
>> visa.
>> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
>>
>> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
>> Hell, I'm all for that.
>>
>> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
>> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
>>
>> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already
>> 
> seen
>   
>> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
>> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>>
>> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
>> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
>> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
>> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
>> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
>> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
>> is in the early stages of WW III.
>>
>> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
>> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
>>
>> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
>> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
>> Muslims.  He comment "what is the

Re: [OT] Italian Motivation

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 5:12 pm, Ed Leafe wrote:
> Soccer fan Sofia Loren to strip if team moves up
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1508471620070515
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> MILAN (Reuters) - A striptease by 72-year-old actress Sofia Loren

Hi Ed!

Sofia Loren may be the prettiest 72 year old woman ever. Wow!
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

When did you acquire the ability to known when anyone is guilty beyond a 
reasonable doubt?  America is blessed because we have a Constitution 
that guarantees freedoms, due process, and privacy.  Part of the 
Judicial system call for any accused to be put on trail before a jury of 
their peers.

An attorneys must be provided for the defendant, as the prosecutor is 
usually a very skilled attorney.  Evidence must be presented from both 
side to the court and the jury.  Then a jury decides guilt or innocent 
based on the rule of law.  It's not a perfect system, but I'm so blessed 
to live in a country where a system exists that strives to serve justice.

If you have a better system of justice, I'm all ears.

Regards,

LelandJ

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> Leland, it is unsafe to go in neighborhoods here in the states where the
> gangs have taken over.
>
> Why ?
> Because of attorneys that let them go free even when the attorney knows
> beyond a doubt that they are guilty.
> Because of bleeding hearts that say their rights were violated.
> Sorry folks. If you are guilty beyond a doubt, you no longer have any
> rights.
>
> However that said, I do worry about people convicted by da's wanting to make
> a name for themselves and crooked cops wanting to do the same when in the
> long run, dna tests prove that the person was not even involved..
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>
> The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of 
> terrorism, should be prevention; not a focus on buggymen in Iraq that 
> distract from the job of fighting crime.
>
> I want to be safe as much as anybody, but I would prefer to do it in a 
> smart way, using intelligence agencies like NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, police 
> and boarder patrol, and an aware American people; rather than being put 
> in greater danger because the power that be drop the ball, because they 
> are more interested in their own agenda and manipulating the American 
> people to achieve it, than they are on keeping America safe.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
>   
>> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
>> visa.
>> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
>>
>> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
>> Hell, I'm all for that.
>>
>> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
>> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
>>
>> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already
>> 
> seen
>   
>> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
>>
>> Virgil Bierschwale
>> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
>> To: ProFox Email List
>> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>>
>> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
>> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
>> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
>> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
>> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
>> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
>> is in the early stages of WW III.
>>
>> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
>> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
>>
>> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
>> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
>> Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
>> of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".
>>
>> Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
>> are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
>> people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
>> as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
>> government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
>> additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
>> corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
>> of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
>> so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
>> prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> LelandJ
>>  
>>
>> David Crooks wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> On Tuesd

RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

You better put your bong up.
You've been inhaling too much lately.

Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Aráoz
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:44 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
> visa.
> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
> 
> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
> Hell, I'm all for that.
> 
> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
> 
> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already
seen
> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
> 

I can see your point. It would be terrifying to see an army of twelve
year old kids with swords parachute over a USA city. They would wreak havoc.


> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
> 
> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
> is in the early stages of WW III.
> 
> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
> 
> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
> Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
> of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".
> 
> Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
> are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
> people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
> as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
> government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
> additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
> corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
> of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
> so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
> prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
>  


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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 3:22 pm, Robert Calco wrote:

> > How, then, do you find fault in something that is exactly as you
> >intended it to be?
>
> Some believe God has a feminine side. Maybe this is what they meant. ;)
>
> More seriously:
>
> 1 Corinthians 2:14-16
>
> Ed was on an interesting track, now he's reduced to "If God is omnipotent,
> can he create a rock so big that He Himself can't lift it?" arguments...

Hi Bob!

That is similar in some respects to the square circle. A square circle cannot 
be, it is a contradiction in terms.

If God is omnipotent then no rock could be so large or heavy that he could not 
lift it, such a rock could not be.

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
> visa.
> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
> 
> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
> Hell, I'm all for that.
> 
> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
> 
> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already seen
> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
> 

I can see your point. It would be terrifying to see an army of twelve
year old kids with swords parachute over a USA city. They would wreak havoc.


> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
> 
> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
> is in the early stages of WW III.
> 
> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
> 
> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
> Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
> of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".
> 
> Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
> are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
> people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
> as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
> government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
> additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
> corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
> of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
> so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
> prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> LelandJ
>  


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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

Leland, it is unsafe to go in neighborhoods here in the states where the
gangs have taken over.

Why ?
Because of attorneys that let them go free even when the attorney knows
beyond a doubt that they are guilty.
Because of bleeding hearts that say their rights were violated.
Sorry folks. If you are guilty beyond a doubt, you no longer have any
rights.

However that said, I do worry about people convicted by da's wanting to make
a name for themselves and crooked cops wanting to do the same when in the
long run, dna tests prove that the person was not even involved..

Virgil Bierschwale
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:36 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of 
terrorism, should be prevention; not a focus on buggymen in Iraq that 
distract from the job of fighting crime.

I want to be safe as much as anybody, but I would prefer to do it in a 
smart way, using intelligence agencies like NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, police 
and boarder patrol, and an aware American people; rather than being put 
in greater danger because the power that be drop the ball, because they 
are more interested in their own agenda and manipulating the American 
people to achieve it, than they are on keeping America safe.

Regards,

LelandJ


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
> visa.
> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
>
> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
> Hell, I'm all for that.
>
> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
>
> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already
seen
> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>
> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
> is in the early stages of WW III.
>
> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
>
> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
> Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
> of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".
>
> Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
> are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
> people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
> as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
> government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
> additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
> corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
> of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
> so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
> prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>  
>
> David Crooks wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:22 PM Leland F. Jackson wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat
>>> 
>>>   
>> in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq >has never  been clearly defined by the GOP
>> or the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is. 
>>   
>> 
>>> possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has
>>> 
>>>   
>> never clearly defined the 
>>   
>> 
>>> term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly
>>> 
>>>   
>> terrorism has nothing to do >with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do
>> with other countries around the world.
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even
>>> 
>>>   
>> though the war was not 
>>   
>> 
>>> necessary and should never have been waged.  The war only lasted days.
>>> 
>>>   
>> Ever since the US won

Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 2:53 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:

> > It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts
> > down you declare yourself to be God.
>
> 1 - It is in another thread. Have you ever heard about thread
> separation? Kind of different conversations.

Hi Ricardo!

This is a party conversation, the thread is the subject line.

> 2 - Tell the Jesuits they should include irony in the theology
> curricula. It's a bigg hole in your education.

No It isn't. You communicate irony the same as non irony in your emails - only 
you knows it is irony. I don't think I would use irony in quite that way, 
even if I were you.

So you didn't really mean to blaspheme. Thank goodness for that.
-- 
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

The focus on crime, like the crime people commit when that commit act of 
terrorism, should be prevention; not a focus on buggymen in Iraq that 
distract from the job of fighting crime.

I want to be safe as much as anybody, but I would prefer to do it in a 
smart way, using intelligence agencies like NSA, CIA, FBI, etc, police 
and boarder patrol, and an aware American people; rather than being put 
in greater danger because the power that be drop the ball, because they 
are more interested in their own agenda and manipulating the American 
people to achieve it, than they are on keeping America safe.

Regards,

LelandJ


Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
> visa.
> They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.
>
> Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
> Hell, I'm all for that.
>
> Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
> Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.
>
> In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already seen
> what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll
>
> President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
> unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
> talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
> about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
> children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
> use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
> is in the early stages of WW III.
>
> Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
> thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.
>
> Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
> what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
> Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
> of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".
>
> Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
> are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
> people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
> as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
> government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
> additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
> corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
> of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
> so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
> prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.
>
> Regards,
>
> LelandJ
>  
>
> David Crooks wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:22 PM Leland F. Jackson wrote:
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat
>>> 
>>>   
>> in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq >has never  been clearly defined by the GOP
>> or the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is. 
>>   
>> 
>>> possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has
>>> 
>>>   
>> never clearly defined the 
>>   
>> 
>>> term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly
>>> 
>>>   
>> terrorism has nothing to do >with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do
>> with other countries around the world.
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even
>>> 
>>>   
>> though the war was not 
>>   
>> 
>>> necessary and should never have been waged.  The war only lasted days.
>>> 
>>>   
>> Ever since the US won 
>>   
>> 
>>> victory in Iraq, the US mission seem to be a protection of  an American
>>> 
>>>   
>> support government created >in the image of US democracy, but that
>> solution does not seem to make the Iraqi people happy, nor 
>>   
>> 
>>> is it in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the Iraqi
>>> 
>>>   
>> people.  The US mission to 
>>   
>> 
>>> democratise the Iraqi people has destroyed the countries, caused many
>>> 
>>>   
>> senseless and unnecessary 
>>   
>> 
>>> deaths, and destory the Iraqi culture and way of life.  It has made the
>>> 
>>>   
>> life of the Iraq people 
>>   
>> 
>>> miserable and bitter.  Is the idea of forcing Democracy on the Iraqi
>>> 
>>>   
>> people wrong.  Probably yes.
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> An insurrection of the Iraqi people against an occupation of their
>

Re: [OT] Hell just got more crowded

[Vince Teachout]

Ed Leafe wrote:

>   Jerry Falwell, S.I.H.

What does the "S" stand for?

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Re: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

[Derek Kalweit]

> > I tried using a work-around that involves a temp table, but it seems
> > the temp table is going out of scope in my ASP page(ADODB access to
> > MSSQL)... I'm guessing it might have something to do with some sort of
> > connection pooling...

> Use MTS.  

Actually, I'm biting the bullet and re-writing the code for the ASP
page into a stored procedure. It will give an overall performance
boost. Having a minor issue I haven't looked into now with not being
able to get the SP results through ADO, but I'm sure I'll be able to
figure that one out... In Query Analyzer, the SP is very fast and does
a lot more than the original query I posted here.


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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Robert Calco wrote:
>> Hey Bob!
>>  Got news for you. I AM GOD!
>> And whatever you say to prove I am not is because you in your human
>> frailty and fallibility can not conceive the REAL reasons I have to be
>> as I AM. So please, from now on you'll pray to me from 9 to 9:30 pm . It
>> must start with "Heil Ricardo the almighty, you that rules all".
>> Ooops. Almost forgot. You have to make a monthly donation of 500$ to me.
>> Or else
>>
> 
> Yo God, thanks for the clarification. :|
> 
> Check is in the mail... ;-)
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 

Good, now don't forget your prayers and I'll keep the gates to the VIP
section open for you (BTW, with the money and the prayers is enough, you
can do whatever you want the rest of your time).
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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Vince Teachout]

Jerry Wolper wrote:
>>  but I wonder where the Dems find the
>> chutzpah to declare they've got some kind of plurality of public opinion
>> in their favor over the President at the moment
> 
>>From the same place Republicans find the chutzpah to blame the 
> Democrats for "ensur[ing] our defeat and humiliation in Iraq"?

Well, now, WOAH, there!  Surely you two gentlemen aren't suggesting that 
politicians might be pulling "facts" from where the sun don't shine, are 
you?  Not OUR politicians!

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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Virgil Bierschwale]

The last time I looked, terrorists or occupying armies did not ask for a
visa.
They simply came in however they could and accomplished their objective.

Lets say you are right and nothing happens.
Hell, I'm all for that.

Lets say you are wrong and everything bad that can happen, happens.
Sorry Charlie, not on our watch.

In the final analysis, I'd rather be safe then sorry and you've already seen
what happened in new York in what I consider to be an unprovoked attack.

Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
http://www.jobsforourfuture.com/index.php

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:15 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
is in the early stages of WW III.

Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.

Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".

Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.

Regards,

LelandJ
 

David Crooks wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:22 PM Leland F. Jackson wrote:
>
>   
>> I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat
>> 
> in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq >has never  been clearly defined by the GOP
> or the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is. 
>   
>> possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has
>> 
> never clearly defined the 
>   
>> term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly
>> 
> terrorism has nothing to do >with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do
> with other countries around the world.
>
>   
>> The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even
>> 
> though the war was not 
>   
>> necessary and should never have been waged.  The war only lasted days.
>> 
> Ever since the US won 
>   
>> victory in Iraq, the US mission seem to be a protection of  an American
>> 
> support government created >in the image of US democracy, but that
> solution does not seem to make the Iraqi people happy, nor 
>   
>> is it in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the Iraqi
>> 
> people.  The US mission to 
>   
>> democratise the Iraqi people has destroyed the countries, caused many
>> 
> senseless and unnecessary 
>   
>> deaths, and destory the Iraqi culture and way of life.  It has made the
>> 
> life of the Iraq people 
>   
>> miserable and bitter.  Is the idea of forcing Democracy on the Iraqi
>> 
> people wrong.  Probably yes.
>
>   
>> An insurrection of the Iraqi people against an occupation of their
>> 
> country by foreign force, couple 
>   
>> with an internal civil struggle for power and control of the country,
>> 
> does not constitute war 
>   
>> against the US,  and where their is no war, there is no possibility of
>> 
> victory or defeat.  The 
>   
>> civil strife in Iraq has been going on for centuries, and is not
>> 
> something that America can fix in >a few years.  It is time for America
> to disengage from Iraq, because only the Iraqi people can 
>   
>> decide what they want for a country so far as society, religion, and
>> 
> government is concerned. 
>
>   
>> The American people, and all her armies cannot force the Iraqi people
>> 
> to love an imposed government 
>   
>> fashioned after US Democracy, any more than the American people, and
>> 
> all her armies, can force the >Iraqi people lover a US God as opposed to
> a God of the Iraqi people's own understanding.
>
> Here are some interesting quotes from Dubyaspeak.com about this issue:
>
> An

Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Vince Teachout]

Ted Roche wrote:

> What are you thinking about for a work-around?

Replacing the empty dates with NULLS, which works fine:

OPEN DATABASE tadb
SET DATABASE TO TADB
=ADBOBJECTS(aFiles, "TABLE")
FOR ni = 1 TO ALEN(afiles)
cFile = afiles[ni]
IF FILE(cfile+".dbf")
USE (cfile) SHARED
FOR nJ = 1 TO FCOUNT()
IF TYPE(FIELD(nj)) = 'D'
  cField = FIELD(nj)
cCommand = 'replace ALL ' + cField + ' WITH 
.NULL. FOR EMPTY(' 
+ cfield + ')'
TRY
&cCommand
CATCH
endtry
ELSE
LOOP
endif
ENDFOR
USE IN (cfile)
ENDIF
  ENDFOR


> There's a reason why you are using a remote view to access local Fox
> data, but I can't ask. It's too bad, because the answer to that
> question could open up different avenues of discussion 

Okokokok - it's because it's a legacy system already deployed in about 
40 different locations.  Has never been a problem until now because 
people always started with empty data sets, and as they added them, 
entered dates, OR left them empty, which saved a NULL.  This is the 
first time we're converting existing data, and I converted empty to empty.


> If you think you're emulating
> client-server for other database support, well, you've got an
> educational experience coming. If you have some clever idea about
> remoting DBF tables via ODBC, that doesn't work the way you suspect it
> does. If you're doing something completely different, well, that might
> be interesting. 

Sort of a bastardization of 1 and 2:  That was their solution for 
supporting multiple backends.  Make everything remote views, have a 
switch and DEFINES in an include file for the remarkably few times the 
SELECT syntax is different, and VOILA!  The system is so simple, that it 
actually works remarkably well.  I inherited the system from the person 
inheriting the system from the programmer who created it.


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[OT] Hell just got more crowded

[Ed Leafe]

The man who said this about the September 11 attacks:

"I really believe that the pagans, the abortionists and the lesbians  
… and all those who have tried to secularise America helped this  
happen."

...is finally gone. Too bad the stain of his influence couldn't go  
with him.

Jerry Falwell, S.I.H.

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

President Bush is in a state of denial, because reality is 
unacceptable.  I heard Newt Gingrich recently on a Sunday morning TV 
talk show.  In one of his responses to a question, he began blabbering 
about a world wide threat from Muslims.  He said that twelve year old 
children are being taught how to behead infidels, being taught how to 
use sophisticated weaponry, etc.  Newt Gingrich seems to think the world 
is in the early stages of WW III.

Newt Gingrich may not be a card carrying Neoconservative, but his 
thinking is definitely along the lines of the Neoconservative ideology.

Charles Rangel in responding to Newt Gingrich said he did not understand 
what Newt was talking about with a world wide threat to the US from 
Muslims.  He comment "what is the US going to do, issue visas to an army 
of terrorist and let them into our country?"  He said "its ridiculous".

Basically Newt, and the rest of the Neoconservative Bush Administration, 
are just playing the fear card to maintain control of the American 
people.   They want to make the terrorist buggyman appear as threating 
as possible, so the American people will forfeit more power to the 
government for protection, but in the end, the government will use any 
additionally  acquired powers against the American people (eg power 
corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely).  The Democratic form 
of government can only work with a strict system of check and balances, 
so as to make the government responsive to the American people, and to 
prevent a single branch of government from acquiring absolute power.

Regards,

LelandJ
 

David Crooks wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:22 PM Leland F. Jackson wrote:
>
>   
>> I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat
>> 
> in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq >has never  been clearly defined by the GOP
> or the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is. 
>   
>> possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has
>> 
> never clearly defined the 
>   
>> term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly
>> 
> terrorism has nothing to do >with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do
> with other countries around the world.
>
>   
>> The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even
>> 
> though the war was not 
>   
>> necessary and should never have been waged.  The war only lasted days.
>> 
> Ever since the US won 
>   
>> victory in Iraq, the US mission seem to be a protection of  an American
>> 
> support government created >in the image of US democracy, but that
> solution does not seem to make the Iraqi people happy, nor 
>   
>> is it in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the Iraqi
>> 
> people.  The US mission to 
>   
>> democratise the Iraqi people has destroyed the countries, caused many
>> 
> senseless and unnecessary 
>   
>> deaths, and destory the Iraqi culture and way of life.  It has made the
>> 
> life of the Iraq people 
>   
>> miserable and bitter.  Is the idea of forcing Democracy on the Iraqi
>> 
> people wrong.  Probably yes.
>
>   
>> An insurrection of the Iraqi people against an occupation of their
>> 
> country by foreign force, couple 
>   
>> with an internal civil struggle for power and control of the country,
>> 
> does not constitute war 
>   
>> against the US,  and where their is no war, there is no possibility of
>> 
> victory or defeat.  The 
>   
>> civil strife in Iraq has been going on for centuries, and is not
>> 
> something that America can fix in >a few years.  It is time for America
> to disengage from Iraq, because only the Iraqi people can 
>   
>> decide what they want for a country so far as society, religion, and
>> 
> government is concerned. 
>
>   
>> The American people, and all her armies cannot force the Iraqi people
>> 
> to love an imposed government 
>   
>> fashioned after US Democracy, any more than the American people, and
>> 
> all her armies, can force the >Iraqi people lover a US God as opposed to
> a God of the Iraqi people's own understanding.
>
> Here are some interesting quotes from Dubyaspeak.com about this issue:
>
> And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down.
> Success is not no violence. There are parts of our own country that have
> got a certain level of violence to it. 
> -- Despite Dubya's puzzling comments, I'm pretty sure that the number of
> random executions and car bombings in Detroit (or Houston, or Seattle,
> or Washington, D.C.) is significantly lower than anywhere in Baghdad...
> Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007
>
> This is an interesting, different type of war. 
> -- I'm astounded by the level of detachment that permits him to term a
> war of his making "interesting", Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007
>
> The Iraqis are fully staffed, and -- and they've got their team in
> there, but we don't. And so, what Gen. Petraeus is saying -- some early
> signs

[OT] Italian Motivation

[Ed Leafe]

Soccer fan Sofia Loren to strip if team moves up

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL1508471620070515

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MILAN (Reuters) - A striptease by 72-year-old actress Sofia Loren  
could be one of the more outrageous ways that Napoli fans will  
celebrate if the team are promoted to the Italian top flight this  
season.

Loren, a movie sex siren from the 1950s and 1960s, is a big fan of  
the Naples club who have fallen on hard times since winning their  
first Italian championship 20 years ago.

"I hope that Napoli win these last few games. You watch if we go up I  
will do a striptease," she told Gazzetta dello Sport in an interview  
Tuesday. "The fans have a total passion, the city deserves promotion."

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Wow, how many 72-year-old women would even think about doing a  
striptease? And of those, what small percentage would anyone be  
interested in seeing?

(Go Napoli)

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Re: [FPW26] WIN 16 has insufficient resources

[Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.]

Thank you, Richard.

At 04:46 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
>The only thing you can do is restart the computer. If the problem
>persists, you have some application or driver which is using up these
>resources and not releasing them properly. IIRC in older versions of
>Windows (particularly of the 3.x family), system resources were 2 64k
>chunks of memory. If those stacks ran low, Windows would crash and burn
>even if you had plenty of free RAM.
>
>Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote:
> > For two days I have been getting this error:
> >
> >  WIN 16 has insufficient resources
> >
> > [C:\WINDOWS\I386] does not have *.nt files.  I has, rather:
> >
> >  CONFIG.NT_
> >  AUTOEXEC.NT_
> >
> > Additionally, overnight, my desktop goes thru these changes:
> >
> >  Part of System Info Tray upper left and lower right
> >  [Start] in both upper left and lower left
> >  Icons disappear
> >  No cursor
> >  [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[Delete] doesn't work
> >
> > What is going on?
> >
> > How can I fix?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [NF] Safe Hex with IE?

[Ed Leafe]

On May 15, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

> Wow. I had no idea the Internet was such a mess. Question: how do you
> test your website with IE when it is so likely to get infected?

Run a copy of a VM, and then trash the copy.

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Jerry Wolper]

> Lord knows I'm no expert in polling, but I wonder where the Dems find the
> chutzpah to declare they've got some kind of plurality of public opinion
> in their favor over the President at the moment, as they boldly plot a
> political strategy to ensure our defeat and humiliation in Iraq, in order
> to win more seats and the Presidency in 2008?

>From the same place Republicans find the chutzpah to blame the 
Democrats for "ensur[ing] our defeat and humiliation in Iraq"?

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Re: [FPW26] WIN 16 has insufficient resources

[Richard Kaye]

The only thing you can do is restart the computer. If the problem 
persists, you have some application or driver which is using up these 
resources and not releasing them properly. IIRC in older versions of 
Windows (particularly of the 3.x family), system resources were 2 64k 
chunks of memory. If those stacks ran low, Windows would crash and burn 
even if you had plenty of free RAM.

Charles Hart Enzer, M.D. wrote:
> For two days I have been getting this error:
>
>  WIN 16 has insufficient resources
>
> [C:\WINDOWS\I386] does not have *.nt files.  I has, rather:
>
>  CONFIG.NT_
>  AUTOEXEC.NT_
>
> Additionally, overnight, my desktop goes thru these changes:
>
>  Part of System Info Tray upper left and lower right
>  [Start] in both upper left and lower left
>  Icons disappear
>  No cursor
>  [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[Delete] doesn't work
>
> What is going on?
>
> How can I fix?
>
> Thank you.
>
>   

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Re: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

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Derek Kalweit wrote:
> I tried using a work-around that involves a temp table, but it seems
> the temp table is going out of scope in my ASP page(ADODB access to
> MSSQL)... I'm guessing it might have something to do with some sort of
> connection pooling...
>
>   

Use MTS.  

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[FPW26] WIN 16 has insufficient resources

[Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.]

For two days I have been getting this error:

 WIN 16 has insufficient resources

[C:\WINDOWS\I386] does not have *.nt files.  I has, rather:

 CONFIG.NT_
 AUTOEXEC.NT_

Additionally, overnight, my desktop goes thru these changes:

 Part of System Info Tray upper left and lower right
 [Start] in both upper left and lower left
 Icons disappear
 No cursor
 [Alt]+[Ctrl]+[Delete] doesn't work

What is going on?

How can I fix?

Thank you.


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Re: [OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Did Tommy Thompson just threaten Michael Moore, or any one else holding 
such views as Micheal Moore, with imprisonment and torcher by electric 
shock?

I don't think I want Thompson for president, because if it can happen to 
Michael Moore, it can to you or me.  Thompson seem to care no more about 
Constitutional guarantees of freedom, due process, and privacy than do 
the Nonconservative Bush Administration. 

Regards,

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>
> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611
>
> Right Wing, Conservative and Republican Gear!
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>
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RE: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[David Crooks]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:22 PM Leland F. Jackson wrote:

>I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat
in Iraq, but defeat in Iraq >has never  been clearly defined by the GOP
or the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is. 
>possible, then victory in Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has
never clearly defined the 
>term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly
terrorism has nothing to do >with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do
with other countries around the world.

>The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even
though the war was not 
>necessary and should never have been waged.  The war only lasted days.
Ever since the US won 
>victory in Iraq, the US mission seem to be a protection of  an American
support government created >in the image of US democracy, but that
solution does not seem to make the Iraqi people happy, nor 
>is it in accordance with the wishes of the majority of the Iraqi
people.  The US mission to 
>democratise the Iraqi people has destroyed the countries, caused many
senseless and unnecessary 
>deaths, and destory the Iraqi culture and way of life.  It has made the
life of the Iraq people 
>miserable and bitter.  Is the idea of forcing Democracy on the Iraqi
people wrong.  Probably yes.

>An insurrection of the Iraqi people against an occupation of their
country by foreign force, couple 
>with an internal civil struggle for power and control of the country,
does not constitute war 
>against the US,  and where their is no war, there is no possibility of
victory or defeat.  The 
>civil strife in Iraq has been going on for centuries, and is not
something that America can fix in >a few years.  It is time for America
to disengage from Iraq, because only the Iraqi people can 
>decide what they want for a country so far as society, religion, and
government is concerned. 

>The American people, and all her armies cannot force the Iraqi people
to love an imposed government 
>fashioned after US Democracy, any more than the American people, and
all her armies, can force the >Iraqi people lover a US God as opposed to
a God of the Iraqi people's own understanding.

Here are some interesting quotes from Dubyaspeak.com about this issue:

And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down.
Success is not no violence. There are parts of our own country that have
got a certain level of violence to it. 
-- Despite Dubya's puzzling comments, I'm pretty sure that the number of
random executions and car bombings in Detroit (or Houston, or Seattle,
or Washington, D.C.) is significantly lower than anywhere in Baghdad...
Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007

This is an interesting, different type of war. 
-- I'm astounded by the level of detachment that permits him to term a
war of his making "interesting", Washington, D.C., May 2, 2007

The Iraqis are fully staffed, and -- and they've got their team in
there, but we don't. And so, what Gen. Petraeus is saying -- some early
signs, still dangerous, but give me -- give my chance a plan to work. 
-- Truer accidental words are seldom heard, Interview with PBS' Charlie
Rose, Apr. 24, 2007 

I've chosen a path that says we will go overseas and defeat them there.
I also know full well that it's important for us if we're facing an
ideology, if we're facing ideologues, if we're confronting people who
believe something, that we have got to defeat their belief system with a
better belief system. Forms of government matter, in my opinion. It
matters how -- the nature of the government in which people live. And
therefore, I have put as part of our foreign policy not only an
aggressive plan to find extremists and radicals and bring them to
justice before they hurt us, but also to help people live in liberty --
free societies, as the great alternative to people living under a
tyrant, for example. 
-- I'm confused. What tyrant is the U.S. going against? And how does
Dubya explain the lack of liberty in nations friendly to the U.S. like
Saudi Arabia and Egypt? Tipp City, Ohio, Apr. 19, 2007

Iran is influential inside of Iraq. They are influential by providing
advanced weaponry. They are influential by dealing with some militias,
tend to be Shia militias, all aiming to create discomfort, all aiming to
kind of -- according to some -- to create enough discomfort for the
United States, but in doing so, they're making it harder for this young
democracy to emerge. Isn't it interesting, when you really take a step
back and think about what I just said, that al Qaeda is making serious
moves in Iraq, as is surrogates for Iran? 
-- It's more frightening than interesting, given that what he just said
makes no sense. Tipp City, Ohio, Apr. 19, 2007

If the definition of success in Iraq or anywhere is no suicide bombers,
we'll never be successful. We will have handed al Qaeda -- that's what
it takes in order to determine whether or not these young democracies,
for example, can survive. Think

[NF] Safe Hex with IE?

[Ted Roche]

"One in 10 web pages scrutinised by search giant Google contained
malicious code that could infect a user's PC."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6645895.stm

Wow. I had no idea the Internet was such a mess. Question: how do you
test your website with IE when it is so likely to get infected?

Do you use the Google toolbar? Does your anti-virus program have an
extension for IE? How about the Netcraft toolbar?

-- 
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[OT] Fred Thompson smacks down Michael Moore

[Michael Madigan]

This is great!

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=611

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Re: [OT] An Inconvenient Poll

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

I keep hearing the GOP harping on the Democrats for advocating defeat in 
Iraq, but defeat in Iraq has never  been clearly defined by the GOP or 
the Bush Administration.  If defeat in Iraq is possible, then victory in 
Iraq must also be possible, yet the GOP has never clearly defined the 
term Victory in Iraq either.  I hear a lot about terrorism, but mostly 
terrorism has nothing to do with Iraq anymore than terrorism has to do 
with other countries around the world.

The US won a victory in Iraq over Saddam Hussein and his army, even 
though the war was not necessary and should never have been waged.  The 
war only lasted days.  Ever since the US won victory in Iraq, the US 
mission seem to be a protection of  an American support government 
created in the image of US democracy, but that solution does not seem to 
make the Iraqi people happy, nor is it in accordance with the wishes of 
the majority of the Iraqi people.  The US mission to democratise the 
Iraqi people has destroyed the countries, caused many senseless and 
unnecessary deaths, and destory the Iraqi culture and way of life.  It 
has made the life of the Iraq people miserable and bitter.  Is the idea 
of forcing Democracy on the Iraqi people wrong.  Probably yes.

An insurrection of the Iraqi people against an occupation of their 
country by foreign force, couple with an internal civil struggle for 
power and control of the country, does not constitute war against the 
US,  and where their is no war, there is no possibility of victory or 
defeat.  The civil strife in Iraq has been going on for centuries, and 
is not something that America can fix in a few years.  It is time for 
America to disengage from Iraq, because only the Iraqi people can decide 
what they want for a country so far as society, religion, and government 
is concerned. 

The American people, and all her armies cannot force the Iraqi people to 
love an imposed government fashioned after US Democracy, any more than 
the American people, and all her armies, can force the Iraqi people 
lover a US God as opposed to a God of the Iraqi people's own understanding.

Regards,

LelandJ

Robert Calco wrote:
> http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27589
>
> - - -
>
> Lord knows I'm no expert in polling, but I wonder where the Dems find the 
> chutzpah to declare they've got some kind of plurality of public opinion in 
> their favor over the President at the moment, as they boldly plot a political 
> strategy to ensure our defeat and humiliation in Iraq, in order to win more 
> seats and the Presidency in 2008?
>
> Somebody's reading, if not smoking, something other than tea leaves at the 
> DNC.
>
> - Bob
>
>
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Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Ted Roche]

On 5/15/07, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> !!
>
> Thanks, Ted.  :-(

You're welcome. :)

What are you thinking about for a work-around?

There's a reason why you are using a remote view to access local Fox
data, but I can't ask. It's too bad, because the answer to that
question could open up different avenues of discussion depending on
why exactly you want to do that. If you think you're emulating
client-server for other database support, well, you've got an
educational experience coming. If you have some clever idea about
remoting DBF tables via ODBC, that doesn't work the way you suspect it
does. If you're doing something completely different, well, that might
be interesting. But since I can't ask, I guess I'll never know.

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RE: [NF] Problematic DHCP

[Jim Dettman]

James,

  A 169. address is the auto configure address that Windows uses when it
cannot get a address from a DHCP server. 

Two things:

1. Make sure you have enough free addresses in your DHCP pool.

2. Make sure any static address is excluded from the pool (ie. was a printer
or other piece of equipment added lately?).

JimD

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Subject: [NF] Problematic DHCP

The last couple of weeks our users have been having issues getting logged on
to our domain due to IP address not being assigned properly (169 rather than
a 192)

The system event log shows the following error message with an Event ID of
1002:

"The IP address lease %1 for the network adapter with MAC address %2 has
been denied by the DHCP server %3 (The DHCP server sent a DHCPNACK 
message)."

We thought it was a rogue router with DHCP turned on but it turns out that
wasn't the case.

If we do the "repair" through the GUI, or ipconfig /release&renew at the
command prompt we can usually get the user a valid IP address and they're
good to go, until the next time they need to log on.

We can't see where anything on the DHCP server that appears obviously out of
norm...

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

TIA


James E Harvey
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[OT] The Anger of the Left by Thomas Sowell

[Michael Madigan]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/the_anger_of_the_left.html

"How often have you seen conservatives or libertarians
take to the streets, shouting angry slogans? How often
have conservative students on campus shouted down a
visiting speaker or rioted to prevent the visitor from
speaking at all?"

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Re: [OT] there's still time

[Leland F. Jackson, CPA]

Some of the pillars of the Bush Administration have fallen, and others 
are crumbling as I type.  It is only a matter of time until the entire 
Administration collapses.

Some of the pillars that have fallen are:

Former Attorney General  John Ascropt

Former GOP House Majority Leader Tom "The Hammer" Delay.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfelt

The Democrats swept to victory in the 2006 elections, and now control 
both the House and the Senate.  Senator Harry Ried replaced Bill Frist 
as the Senate Majority Leader, and Nancy Pelosi replaced J. Dennis 
Hastertas the Speaker of the House of representatives.

John Negroponte no longer heads the top intelligent position in the 
country (e.g. Director of U.S. intelligence), and has been moved to 
Deputy Secretary of State working under Condi Rice.

Director of the CIA George Tenet has now been replaced.

There are others who have been greatly weakened over the past couple of 
years, but are not yet removed including:

Attorney General Gonzales who is among the walk dead of the Bush 
Administration.

Vice President Dick Cheney has lost almost all credibility both within 
the Bush Administration as well as outside the Bush Administration.  
Vice President Dick Cheney's dismal record of failures, questionable 
judgments, and obsessive, compulsive disorder regarding terrorism , 
along with his remarks regarding "WMD", "Being welcomed with open arm in 
Iraq", "the insurgency is in its last throws", etc  is what Vice 
President Cheney has to thank for his loss of esteem.

Director of NSA, Michael Hayden, has been under intense scrutiny by 
Congress and the American people for violation of constitutional 
protections of privacy and has been wounded.

There have been calls for repelling some provision of the Patriot Act, 
so and to strengthen the American Constitution as he one and only 
Supreme law of the land.

Progress to get American straighten out has been slow but steady and 
over the last three or four years, much has changed for the better.

Regards,

LelandJ


Bill Arnold wrote:
> "Here, at 4.44 am on, a US patrol in two vehicles was surprised and
> overrun by insurgents. The burned bodies of four soldiers and an Iraqi
> interpreter were found on the road. Three others had disappeared. It was
> obviously a mistake for a small and isolated detachment to be in an
> insurgent-controlled area. Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a
> relieving force took an hour to reach them."
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2542384.ece
>
>
> "Such is the fear of roadside bombs that a relieving force took an hour
> to reach them"
>
> How many reports like this do we need before we realize ...?
>
> --
>
> The neocon mission was to establish authority in the ME. They disguised
> and packaged the mission with puffery laced with deceit, and convinced
> enough people to go along with their agenda to get that invasion
> launched. 
>
> True to the fanatic mold, they completely miscalculated two crucial
> areas. First they miscalculated the resistance, and second they
> miscalculated popular support. They've evidentially found enough
> professional solider-types from a population of 300 million to keep the
> fighting going, and they have extracted enough of our tax money over
> time to build a formidable arsenal. But as history has shown time and
> time again, there is no power stronger then the dedicated "hearts and
> minds" of people who refuse to be conquered. The TV distorts this
> resistance behind a  cloak of "sectarian violence", but the truth is
> that people in the Arab/Muslim world will not tolerate being occupied.
> Surely we must intuitively know this, because we ourselves wouldn't
> tolerate it either.
>  
> This gang, the perpetrators of that invasion, are now plotting and
> scheming to unleash the Big Guns, and we're still letting them get away
> with it.
>
> How is this so? Because we're being fooled again. This time we're being
> tricked into believing that because we've decided that invasion was a
> mistake and no longer support it, they will listen and it will end.
>
> False! Why? Because the gang still has the power. They still control the
> gates of Congress, they still control our primary information supply,
> and they still have their fingers on triggers of destruction the likes
> of which the world has never seen. A single submarine can destroy an
> entire country, and they have a fleet of them.
>
> Since the 50's we've been in and out of the 'nuclear holocaust' mindset
> so many times that we've become numb and jaded to the point where we all
> know it's true, but have lost interest in talking about it anymore. We
> now think that because it hasn't actually played out after so many false
> alarms, that it cannot or will not happen. But the truth is that a
> finger pushes a button and it does happen. Just like that.
>
> Victory, in the conventional sense, is no longer a possibility. Now it's
> becoming clear that ther

Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Robert Calco]

>
>Hey Bob!
>   Got news for you. I AM GOD!
>And whatever you say to prove I am not is because you in your human
>frailty and fallibility can not conceive the REAL reasons I have to be
>as I AM. So please, from now on you'll pray to me from 9 to 9:30 pm . It
>must start with "Heil Ricardo the almighty, you that rules all".
>Ooops. Almost forgot. You have to make a monthly donation of 500$ to me.
>Or else
>

Yo God, thanks for the clarification. :|

Check is in the mail... ;-)

- Bob


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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Robert Calco]

 
On Tuesday, May 15, 2007, at 11:01AM, "Ed Leafe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On May 15, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:
>
>>> The point I'm making is pretty simple: if God is omnipotent, then
>>> every single thing that he creates is exactly as he intended it to
>>> be. Does this simple statement make sense to you?
>>
>> And the above, Ed, is excellent theology.
>
>   I didn't see a smiley afterward, so I'm assuming that the reply was  
>serious.
>
>   How, then, do you find fault in something that is exactly as you  
>intended it to be?

Some believe God has a feminine side. Maybe this is what they meant. ;)

More seriously:

1 Corinthians 2:14-16

Ed was on an interesting track, now he's reduced to "If God is omnipotent, can 
he create a rock so big that He Himself can't lift it?" arguments...

- Bob

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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ricardo Aráoz]

Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Tuesday 15 May 2007 1:42 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>> Pete Theisen wrote:
>>> On Monday 14 May 2007 8:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
>>> 
>>>
> The Catholic theologians came to these conclusions by studying not only
> the bible, but other religious books,
 You mean books from other religions?
>>> No, "Catholic" books, "Catholic" saints. There are tons of books and
>>> hundreds of saints. Theologians spend their lives on these questions.
>> Theologians deduct things.
> 
> Hi Ricardo!
> 
> It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts 
> down 
> you declare yourself to be God.

1 - It is in another thread. Have you ever heard about thread
separation? Kind of different conversations.

2 - Tell the Jesuits they should include irony in the theology
curricula. It's a bigg hole in your education.





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Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Vince Teachout]

Ted Roche wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> I'm using vfp9 (sp1 on that particular machine) and this is a remote
>> view on local vfp data (don't ask, and no, I can't change that)
> 
> Well, then, I won't ask.
> 
> "This behavior is by design." http://support.microsoft.com/kb/157424

!!

Thanks, Ted.  :-(





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Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Ted Roche]

On 5/15/07, Vince Teachout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm using vfp9 (sp1 on that particular machine) and this is a remote
> view on local vfp data (don't ask, and no, I can't change that)

Well, then, I won't ask.

"This behavior is by design." http://support.microsoft.com/kb/157424

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Re: Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Vince Teachout]

Vince Teachout wrote:

> 
> The dates show up as 12/31/1899.

Correction: 12/30/1899

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Help! View is converting empty date to 1899!

[Vince Teachout]

Subject pretty much says it all.  I have a form that keeps displaying 
12/31/1899 for empty dates.  Long story short, I ruled out hidden code 
in the form, custom classes, etc, and finally narrowed it down to a view.

If I do this in the command box: Select * from claims where claimno = 
'123', I see the date field as empty.

If I open it with the remote view, which is this:

select * from claims claims where claims.claimno  = ( ? vpclaimno)

The dates show up as 12/31/1899.

I'm using vfp9 (sp1 on that particular machine) and this is a remote 
view on local vfp data (don't ask, and no, I can't change that)

I did check the view properties for the field, nothing odd there.


Any ideas?



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Re: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

[Derek Kalweit]

> I know nothing about the intricacies of MS SQL but what I think he was
> getting at is that if you use a function in a query it will be evaluated for
> every row which will slow the query down whereas if you use variables which
> are preset to the function value the function is only evaluated once.

Stephen replied with using the dateadd() function instead of direct
date arithmetic.

MSSQL is designed to optimize such queries and not evaluate things
more than it needs to. I believe it might be evaluating the getdate()
for each row sometimes and not others...

However, as I mentioned in my followup message, the slowdown occurs
with literals instead of the getdate() values per my last test. This I
don't understand, as literals should be evaluated only once.

I tried using a work-around that involves a temp table, but it seems
the temp table is going out of scope in my ASP page(ADODB access to
MSSQL)... I'm guessing it might have something to do with some sort of
connection pooling...


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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Pete Theisen]

On Tuesday 15 May 2007 1:42 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> Pete Theisen wrote:
> > On Monday 14 May 2007 8:56 pm, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>> The Catholic theologians came to these conclusions by studying not only
> >>> the bible, but other religious books,
> >>
> >> You mean books from other religions?
> >
> > No, "Catholic" books, "Catholic" saints. There are tons of books and
> > hundreds of saints. Theologians spend their lives on these questions.
>
> Theologians deduct things.

Hi Ricardo!

It is obvious that you are not taking the discussion seriously. Two posts down 
you declare yourself to be God.
-- 
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Re: [OT] Does God Exist? The Nightline Face-Off

[Ed Leafe]

On May 15, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Wolfe, Stephen S YA-02 6 MDSS/SGSI wrote:

>> The point I'm making is pretty simple: if God is omnipotent, then
>> every single thing that he creates is exactly as he intended it to
>> be. Does this simple statement make sense to you?
>
> And the above, Ed, is excellent theology.

I didn't see a smiley afterward, so I'm assuming that the reply was  
serious.

How, then, do you find fault in something that is exactly as you  
intended it to be?

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RE: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?

[John Weller]

I know nothing about the intricacies of MS SQL but what I think he was
getting at is that if you use a function in a query it will be evaluated for
every row which will slow the query down whereas if you use variables which
are preset to the function value the function is only evaluated once.

John Weller
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
> Sent: 15 May 2007 14:57
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [NF]MSSQL Statement-- performance inconsistency?
>
>
> > In MSSQL there is no such thing as getdate()-7.
> >
> > Why not just trim the idea a bit?
> >
> >  SELECT distinct iUserID
> >  FROM OrderHistory
> >  WHERE tDate between dateadd(day, -7, getdate()) and
> > getdate()
>
> Can you please explain? getdate()-7 works just fine-- I use implicit
> dateadd math frequently with MSSQL. Open Query Analyzer and type
> "select getdate(), getdate()-7" and hit F5-- notice you get results--
> the 7 is treated as 7 days. This may not be the best form for some
> reason, but "there is no such thing" doesn't hold true...
>



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