RE: [OT] Calco Where Are You?

[Bob Calco]

ProFox OT has become all but unusable to me since Ed switched to the new
servers. I get messages in totally unpredictable order, often days after
they were sent. 

 

For example, I got your email apparently last night around 11pm in my normal
inbox because you CC'd my real address. But it has yet to appear in my
ProFox OT folder. The last thing I got there was from Jean on Wednesday at
7:28 PM (he sent that message at 12:18 PM).

 

I am apparently the only person with this problem, and nothing whatever
changed on my end.  I don't expect Ed to try to fix if I'm the only one
affected.

 

-  Bob

 

From: Carl Lindner [mailto:c...@bdos.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:58 PM
To: profox@leafe.com; bobca...@tampabay.rr.com
Subject: [OT] Calco Where Are You?

 

Gee Bob - Tonight Geta announced potential problems with the NY 23rd
Congressional election and that Carly Fiorina was going to run against
Boxer.  This is pretty big stuff.  In the past, I counted you to fill me
well before Fox News.

 

I hope thing are doing ok down there in Tampa.

 

Carl Lindner



--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
multipart/alternative
  text/plain (text body -- kept)
  text/html
---

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005d01ca6476$d6f01fe0$84d05f...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Ricardo is also a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

> 
> The server has you marked as a bandwidth Easter so you have to suffer
> now. Bad Steve!

Well if other people were having this issue Ed might care. I get the impression 
no one else has this problem. I don't believe Ed would do anything in 
particular to sabotage my participation in the list, however much he hates my 
guts, but it is a curious thing that only I appear to have this problem since 
the switch to the new servers. I have not changed a thing about my 
configuration or set up at all.

- Bob

> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Stephen Russell
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a201ca6214$c5c83220$515896...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Nice touch here

[Bob Calco]

Wow, this one beats the record!

I send this last THURSDAY morning, and only saw it appear in my inbox this
10 PM last night (Monday evening)!

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:54 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Nice touch here
> 
> Stephen:
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Nice touch here
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Pete Theisen
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Squirrels are so plentiful that they are considered pests. Lots
> of
> > > people have dogs to kill the squirrels. Some breeds are more
> > effective
> > > than others. People used to shoot them even in town until the
> > lefty-libs
> > > got so much power.
> > > --
> >
> > Because killing something you don't like is the American Way.
> 
> Oh, give me a break. You've been watching too many Jeremiah Wright
> sermons.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> >
> > Don't care if it is a dog, cat, neighborhood kid, unborn child.  If
> I
> > don't want it I should be able to kill it.
> >
> > I love this country!
> >
> > BAD STEVE!
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Russell
> > Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> > SQL Server DBA
> > Web and Winform Development
> > Independent Contractor
> > Memphis TN
> >
> > 901.246-0159
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008f01ca6201$de3009e0$9a901d...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] A Mystery

[Bob Calco]

It gets even more confusing!

<http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-probe9-2009n
ov09,0,5487900.story>

- - -
The official said investigators were looking into Hasan's association with
the Dar al Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Va., in early 2001, about
the same time that a radical Islamist prayer leader and two of the Sept. 11
hijackers were there.

The mosque is one of the biggest in the United States, and the official
cautioned that thousands of people go there for prayer services and other
events. The funeral of Hasan's mother was held there on May 31, 2001, the
Associated Press reported.

Authorities were focusing aggressively on whether Hasan more recently had
been following the fiery online sermons and blog postings of that imam,
Anwar al Awlaki, the official said.

Awlaki, a U.S. citizen, left the United States in 2002 and is believed to be
in Yemen. He is actively supporting the Islamist jihad, or holy war against
the West, through his website.
- - -

Oh, where is Sherlock Holmes or Columbo when you need them!?

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Calco [mailto:bobca...@tampabay.rr.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] A Mystery
> 
> <http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-
> terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873>
> 
> - - -
> U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major
> Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated
> with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material
> in the case told ABC News.
> - - -
> 
> Post traumatic stress -- even for Muslim psychiatrists who never saw
> a day in the battlefield -- can make people do the most mysterious
> things.
> 
> Gee, I wonder: Whatever could his motive have been?
> 
> Alas, we may never know. The worst thing we could do no is prejudice
> the case with the facts!
> 
> 
> 
> Side note: What a bunch of f&@ government these days.
> 
> - Bob


___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000101ca614c$e7e12060$b7a361...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] A Mystery

[Bob Calco]

- - -
U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan
was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two
American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

- - -

Post traumatic stress -- even for Muslim psychiatrists who never saw a day
in the battlefield -- can make people do the most mysterious things.

Gee, I wonder: Whatever could his motive have been?

Alas, we may never know. The worst thing we could do no is prejudice the
case with the facts!



Side note: What a bunch of f&@http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01ca614c$35104d30$9f30e7...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Bush or Obama: The Quiz

[Bob Calco]

1.  President Bush was famous for lacking "intellectual curiosity", while
President Obama has been called "the smartest guy ever to become President."
Which one reads more books, Bush or Obama?

2.  Bush was often considered to be in the grip of Big Oil.  In contrast,
Obama was a Harvard educated lawyer.  Which industry contributed more than
five times as much as the other to politicians: the oil & gas industry or
lawyers/law firms?

3.  Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity, and he
was considered  to be in the grip of the "religious right", while Obama is
considered more open-minded.  In fact, Obama has said, "my faith is one that
admits some doubt."  Which one refers to Jesus more in public speeches? 

4.  Bush was criticized for excessive federal spending and running up huge
deficits.  Bush's deficit in 2008 was the largest in history.  In fact,
President Obama said,

"It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery
package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt... What
I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got
us into this fix in the first place."

Whose deficit was more than triple the size of the other's: Bush's 2008
deficit or Obama's 2009 deficit?

5.  While Obama criticized Bush for "a doubling of the national debt", the
federal debt held by the public went from 35.1% of GDP in 2000 to 40.8% of
GDP in 2008 -- an increase of 16% as of fraction of GDP.  What is it
expected to be in 2016 under Obama's budget plan?  

6.  Obama criticized Bush for Guantanamo, military tribunals, wiretaps,
troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "signing statements".  Which one of
these Bush practices has Obama ended?


Answers:

1.  Bush.  Obama started reading a book in April and had not finished it by
June, putting him on a pace of no more than 10 books per year.  Bush read 40
to 95 books a year while President, plus reading the complete Bible every
year.   Bush scored 1206 on his SAT, putting his IQ in the 125-130 range,
smarter than 95% of the population and in the company of Lincoln, Rousseau
and Thackeray.  He graduated from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard.
Obama earned a law degree from Harvard, but has not released any of his
academic records.  Despite what you might have heard, we know nothing of his
IQ, test scores or grades from any of the schools he attended.

2.  Law firms.  In the 2010 cycle so far, Lawyers/Law Firms have contributed
$33,779,866 so far (81% to Democrats), and the Oil & Gas industry has
contributed $6,293,631 (34% to Democrats).  In the 2008 cycle, the numbers
were $233,499,989 (76% to Dems) from lawyers and $35,564,322 (23% to Dems).
In all, lawyers contributed about six times more to politicians than the Oil
& Gas industry.

3.  Obama.  Per Eamon Javers at Politico, "As president, Barack Obama has
mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches  --
something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings." 

4.  Obama's 2009 deficit, the largest in US history.  It was more than three
times that of Bush's record 2008 deficit.  Per the Congressional Budget
Office, the 2008 deficit was $455 B, and the 2009 deficit was $1,417 B.  As
a fraction of GDP, it was the largest deficit since 1945. 

5.  The CBO expects the debt held by the public to be 77.1% of GDP in 2016
under Obama's plan, or an increase of 89% as a fraction of GDP, and the
highest level since 1950.  

6.  None.


. Guantanamo is still open and probably will be into 2010 and maybe longer.
. Obama is keeping military tribunals and clandestine wiretapping programs 
. Obama plans to keep most troops in Iraq until the summer of 2010.  Even
then, he is talking of keeping about 50,000 troops there (compared to about
124,000 now).  The number of US troops in Afghanistan has increased from
37,000 in January 2009 to 62,000 by August 2009, and Obama is expected to
send over 30,000 more.  Total number of US troops in both Iraq and
Afghanistan has increased under Obama so far (from about 184,000 in January
to 186,000 in September).
. Obama has used signing statements himself


___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01f201ca6128$9d7cfa40$d876ee...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Major Malik Nadal Hasan is the Fort Hood Shooter

[Bob Calco]

You're being grossly unfair in your representation of Palestinians. They are
far more diverse than that.

In point of fact, some prefer beheading people who aren't like them. Still
others prefer to send their children into restaurants and other public
places to blow them up.

- Bob

> 
> Yep. He was a Palestinian. That's their favorite hobby over there:
> Shoot
> everybody who is not like them.
> 



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01ac01ca60aa$7c992ac0$75cb80...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [ADMIN] Wuzzup with the new server? --- was: RE: [OT] scale

[Bob Calco]

And this one hit my inbox 10:06 AM this morning almost 48 hours after I
sent it!

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:00 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Wuzzup with the new server? --- was: RE: [OT]
> scale
> 
> Well, but mine are anything but tired, and I haven't seen my "Wuzzup"
> email
> cross the wire yet... and already I see your response to it!
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Charlie Coleman
> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 9:03 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List; 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Wuzzup with the new server? --- was: RE: [OT]
> > scale
> >
> > At 06:55 AM 11/5/2009 -0500, Bob Calco wrote:
> > >I received this email at 12:27 AM this morning, even though Jean
> > sent it out
> > >10:18 AM yesterday, and I saw several responses to it over the
> > course of the
> > >day yesterday.
> >
> > I think Jean's is a special case even his emails are
> "tired"
> > (yawn)
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > -Charlie
> >
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/01a801ca609e$38274f40$a875ed...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Major Malik Nadal Hasan is the Fort Hood Shooter

[Bob Calco]

Wow, this one only took 23 hours or so to hit my inbox 10:46 AM November
7.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:18 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Major Malik Nadal Hasan is the Fort Hood Shooter
> 
> Oh, and it gets better!
> 
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/
> 
> - - -
> Fort Hood shooter was member of Homeland Security Panel advising
> Obama
> Of course. Why not? He was a "moderate." Until he wasn't.
> 
> "Nidal Hasan: Ft. Hood Shooter Participated in Homeland Security
> Disaster
> Preparation," from Gawker, November 6 (thanks to Mary Belle):
> 
> The gunman who killed 12 people today at Ft. Hood appears, based on
> current
> media reports, to be Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan who was listed as
> a
> participant in a Homeland Security Policy Institute's presidential
> transition task force last year.
> The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It
> was a
> project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent
> thinktank
> housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy
> recommendations for the incoming Obama administration.
> 
> According to the task force's May 2009 report [pdf], a "Nidal Hasan"
> from
> the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine was a task force
> event
> participant. Other participants included Senate and House staffers,
> Department of Homeland Security officials, Defense Department
> officials, and
> reporters for Politico, the Washington Post, and the London Times
> - - -
> 
> Obama sure knows how to pick his advisers.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:03 AM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] Major Malik Nadal Hasan is the Fort Hood Shooter
> >
> > On top of being a Muslim, he was a psychiatrist.
> >
> > I could have predicted how THAT was going to end.
> >
> > I think our "Don't ask, don't tell" policy for radical Muslim
> > jihadists in
> > the military needs to be changed. Hell, they got rid of it for
> > Communists
> > who work at the White House.
> >
> > BTW, if you want more evidence that our Sociopath-in-Chief is not
> up
> > to the
> > task, check this out:
> >
> > <http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-
> > President.html>
> >
> > >From NBC no less!
> >
> > BTW I'm still getting posts in what seems to be reverse order with
> > HOURS of
> > delay. I am curious why; it's only been happening since the switch
> to
> > the
> > new servers and nothing on my end has changed. All the other
> > gazillion or so
> > email groups I belong to work fine.
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 5:43 PM
> > > To: Mike Madigan
> > > Subject: [OT] Major Malik Nadal Hasan is the Fort Hood Shooter
> > >
> > > I'm Shocked!  Shocked I tell you!   Who would have thunk it?
> > >
> > >
> > > Time to remove all Muslims from the US Military!
> > >
> > > Time to remove all Muslims from The United States.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/013a01ca5fca$9be79b40$d3b6d1...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Ricardo is also a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

No problem, we have time. Besides I'm getting the emails in very erratic and
unpredictable order right now since Ed switched to the new servers. I'm
still waiting for things I posted yesterday to show up in my inbox. Used to
be lickity-split. :(

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 6:21 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Ricardo is also a reasonable person
> 
> Bobby, I've not given up on our chat. It's just that I'm in between
> homes (and kind of homeless right now) and internet access is not
> easy
> and not conductive to a serious talk.
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/013001ca5fa8$e6f3c400$b4db4c...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [ADMIN] Wuzzup with the new server? --- was: RE: [OT] scale

[Bob Calco]

It's 3:42 PM and I sent it at 6:56 AM.

It took me almost 9 hours to get this!

- Bob
 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:56 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [ADMIN] Wuzzup with the new server? --- was: RE: [OT] scale
> 
> I received this email at 12:27 AM this morning, even though Jean sent
> it out
> 10:18 AM yesterday, and I saw several responses to it over the course
> of the
> day yesterday.
> 
> I think the new server is sending messages out randomly or in reverse
> rather
> than in order. I made a post the other day, which I did not see in my
> inbox
> until after I saw several responses to it.
> 
> Anybody else seeing this behavior? For me it started after Ed made
> the
> switch.
> 
> Obviously other people must be seeing these before me, or the
> responses
> would not have come before the original messages.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jean Laeremans
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: [OT] scale
> >
> > http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008301ca5e58$90693f30$b13bbd...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] False positives?!

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/2NcW8r

- - -
Malik Zulu Shabazz, national chairman of the radical New Black Panther
Party, refused to confirm or deny to WND whether he visited the White House
since President Obama took office, despite his name appearing on a recent
administration disclosure. 

Shabazz' namesake was among the 110 names and 481 visits released by the
White House on Friday as part of the Obama administration's so-called
volunteer disclosure policy. The names were just a fraction of the hundreds
of thousands of visitors who have gone through the White House's doors since
January. 

Among the famous names that stood out on the brief list were Shabazz,
Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers. 

The White House blog claimed all three names were "false positives" - names
that make you think of a well-known person, but are actually someone else. 
- - -

That's some pretty brazen Barbara Streisand going on there, I must say!

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/007801ca5c00$c4e68ec0$4eb3ac...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] I see this as well

[Bob Calco]

It's a trick. She's already got the wallet in her right pocket (you can
almost see it).

No, I think she's going for one of those unneeded tonsillectomy's Obama was
talking about, only through a much more invasive process.

Dude on the table is getting up there in years. What could go wrong?

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:08 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] I see this as well
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/003901ca5978$2a788710$7f6995...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Setup nearly complete

[Bob Calco]

- - -
The US government has issued a new report that recommends blocking access to
popular websites during a pandemic outbreak in order to preserve internet
bandwidth for investors, day traders and securities clearing house
operations. The concern is that a pandemic would cause too many people to
stay at home and download YouTube videos and porn, hogging all the internet
bandwidth and blocking throughput for investment activities, thereby causing
a stock market meltdown.

This isn't an April Fool's joke. It's all based on a public report issued by
the Government Accounting Office (GAO), available from their website at
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d108.pdf

In this article, I'm going to explain how a pandemic outbreak could
theoretically bring down Wall Street. But to get to that, you'll first need
to find out what the GAO said in its curious report (see below). Parts of
this article are presented as satire, but the underlying facts quoted here
are all true and verifiable (links are provided to all sources).

...

"In a severe pandemic, governments may close schools, shut down public
transportation systems, and ban public gatherings such as concerts or
sporting events. In such scenarios, many more people than usual may be at
home during the day, and Internet use in residential neighborhoods could
increase significantly as a result of people seeking news, entertainment, or
social contact from home computers. Concerns have been raised that this
additional traffic could lead to congestion on the Internet that would
significantly affect businesses in local neighborhoods, such as small
doctors' offices or business employees attempting to telework by connecting
to their employers' enterprise networks."
- - -

The setup of H1N1 as the "emergency" needed for the government to take
control of our media is nearly complete.

They've already justified it to themselves, even though H1N1 is a dud
compared even to the seasonal flu.

Just like the hysteria created by the mingling of atmospheric science and
totalitarian politics has created the myth of CO2 induced warming, such that
government is similarly poised to do to our energy sector via cap and trade
what H1N1 is giving them an excuse to do to our media and health care
sectors.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002601ca596a$63e073e0$2ba15b...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Plot thickens

[Bob Calco]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114359

- - -
After WND's stunning disclosure yesterday that Michelle Obama publicly
admitted her husband's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was "very young and very
single" when giving birth to the future U.S. president, three photos of
Barack Obama Sr. have now surfaced, raising further questions as to whether
the two were actually married.

...

WND has obtained evidence that Dunham enrolled in extension classes at the
University of Washington in Seattle on Aug. 19, 1961, only 15 days after
Barack Obama Jr. was born, and that she lived in an apartment in Seattle's
Capitol Hill area, never returning to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr.
had left for Harvard. 

The Chicago Tribune further reported that on a trip to Africa years later,
Abercrombie caught up with Barack Obama Sr. 

Barack Obama Sr. "was drinking too much; his frustration was apparent,"
Abercrombie told the newspaper. 

"To Abercrombie's surprise, Obama never asked about his ex-wife or his son,"
Tribune national correspondent Tim Jones wrote.  
- - -

Everything about the official narrative of this pretender is suspect.

I still am leaning more toward an embarrassing paternity fact-check being
The Horrible Truth he's trying to avoid by sequestering the long form of his
birth certificate, rather than a live birth in Kenya---though the two are
not mutually exclusive. 

I bet "the daddy" is Frank Marshall Davis. But then, Ann was into radical
African-American Marxists, which apparently were plentiful in her sphere of
friends.

Dude looks nothing like his "official" dad. And a lot like the "Frank" of
his memoirs.

One thing is for sure: The media, outside of a few investigative
journalists, hasn't lifted a finger to vet the "official narrative" of his
Ayers-breathed work of historical fiction in "Dreams"... It's a house of
cards just waiting for a breeze to knock them all over.

BTW, I knew the Obama "thesis hoax" was a hoax for 2 reasons:
   1. It too closely parodied what he actually said about the Constitution
on the radio in 1993, which was just as bad, so it almost didn't matter if
it was true;
   2. We all know everything about his official records at school, including
everything he ever wrote, is sealed like the lost ark of the covenant.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001d01ca5964$5d625ed0$18271c...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Early story on Health Bill

[Bob Calco]

The fundamental problem with healthcare costs has 3 aspects:

1. For reasons that can only be described as ridiculous, health insurers are
not allowed to compete across state lines. Remove this (intentional!?)
inefficiency created by government regulations, and that's all the
"competition" the market will need to reduce prices dramatically, without
having to use this bogus argument about a "public option" supposedly
increasing competition. Its purpose is plainly to destroy the private
market, not increase its competitiveness.

2. Any time you add a middle man you add costs. What was intended to be a
risk mitigation mechanism -- known purely as "insurance" -- has become a
"third party payer" system, with layers of corporate bureaucracy involved
because (again!) government mandates insist that policies cover more than
just "pure" insurance and in fact micromanage every small detail of patient
care. So of course, once you have bought the premise of "third party payer"
no sensible person will want to defy Occam's razor -- we really only want a
single payer, right? Eliminating "third party payer" and re-establishing the
direct patient-doctor relationship (excepting for truly catastrophic
"insurance" needs) will do more to bring costs down naturally than anything
else. Period. Why? Doctors won't be able to charge what people cannot pay in
a market where prices are governed by normal market rule of supply and
demand. Government mandated third-party payer regulations have destroyed any
semblance of normal market function, and totally messed up the pricing
mechanism. Intentionally, I believe.

3. Points 1 and 2 have been a boon for trial lawyers. While one can argue
about the direct dollar contribution to the problem of frivolous lawsuits, a
more interesting argument is how many more would (in a sane world) be
frivolous absent the labyrinth of rules and nuances from state to state that
lend the suits credence. Also, considering Congress is mainly made up of
lawyers, does anyone really believe "health care reform" a la Pelosi's
forest-killing proposal is going to reduce legal costs to the system?

I go back to what I said before. We're screwed if that monstrosity passes.

BTW, I like your 10 page rule. Constitution fits nicely in that rule using
the right font and some reading goggles. ;)

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:52 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Early story on Health Bill
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Just know that if passed, and if it only costs the $894 billion
> dollars they
> > project, and only has the ~400,000 words currently in the text when
> it's
> > finally voted on (I have already heard that several 500+ page
> amendments
> > wait in the wings), then each and every word you read represents
> $2.24
> > million dollars.
> >
> > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28904.html
> >
> > What an unmitigated disaster. We are so toast if this passes. And
> just
> > imagine! Cap and trade is waiting in the wings to finish off the last
> > vestiges of republican government and wipe prosperity off the face of
> the
> > earth for generations.
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I have a couple rules of thumb regarding such things. I say that
> anything longer than 10 pages is bullsh*t and anything that is
> confusing
> is intended to deceive.
> 
> Anyone who disagrees on either of my rules of thumb is in league with
> the enemy. Might see some friends this time, though.
> 
> They have no Rs, and are lacking at least 20 Ds. We need a health bill,
> but it has to be clear and unambiguous. Neither Rs nor Ds seem to be
> able to be clear or unambiguous. That said, Joe Barton is an honest
> man.
> 
> >> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aTtREvJnEK4w
> >>
> >> "The bill has no Republican support
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001601ca595b$e3507f80$a9f17e...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Early story on Health Bill

[Bob Calco]

Just know that if passed, and if it only costs the $894 billion dollars they
project, and only has the ~400,000 words currently in the text when it's
finally voted on (I have already heard that several 500+ page amendments
wait in the wings), then each and every word you read represents $2.24
million dollars.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28904.html

What an unmitigated disaster. We are so toast if this passes. And just
imagine! Cap and trade is waiting in the wings to finish off the last
vestiges of republican government and wipe prosperity off the face of the
earth for generations.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:37 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] Early story on Health Bill
> 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aTtREvJnEK4w
> 
> "The bill has no Republican support, and some Democrats object to both
> the cost and the idea that federal dollars might help undocumented
> immigrants buy insurance. The head of a group of 82 Democrats
> complained
> that the government insurance plan was too weak. And about 40 other
> House Democrats are concerned that government money might be used to
> pay
> for abortions.
> 
> "Is it settled? No. Close? Yes," said South Carolina Representative
> James Clyburn, who counts votes for Democrats."
> 
> Well, the article doesn't say the two authors actually read the bill.
> Don't see how they could in 15 hours, even if they divided the work and
> each only read half. They are just reporting the gossip about it.
> 
> It may be that *nobody* has read this bill. I myself am only on page
> 10,
> doubt that I will get through it by Monday, or ever. 1990 pages is a
> lot.
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000f01ca594e$fdb0bd20$f91237...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] We're not in times of Jacuzzi

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/1MKjrn

- - -
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told citizens Wednesday to limit their
showers to three minutes because the country is having problems supplying
water and electricity.

"Some people sing in the shower, in the shower half an hour," he said during
a televised cabinet meeting. "No kids, three minutes is more than enough.
I've counted, three minutes, and I don't stink."

Chavez said low rainfall caused by El Nino meant water levels were at
critically low levels in the El Guri reservoir, one of the world's largest
dams.

"If you are going to lie back, in the bath, with the soap and you turn on
the what's it called, the Jacuzzi ... imagine that, what kind of communism
is that? We're not in times of Jacuzzi," Chavez said.

He called on state-run organizations to immediately cut energy consumption
by 20 percent and mentioned using airplanes to force rain from clouds.

The leader also said the government would publish a decree forbidding
imports of low-efficiency electrical appliances.
- - -

You can't make this shit up. It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so tragic.
The pathology of an autocrat is funny until they're in power. And when
they're in power, it's only funny when it's somebody else's autocrat.

As we too are only beginning to learn. Yes, one day our Dear Leader will be
this absurd too. 

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001101ca53d5$8e519090$aaf4b1...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Good Grief! Yet another Mao fan in the WH?

[Bob Calco]

> 
> now that the usual suspects have had their say we can move on

Yawn.

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml
> 




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00f501ca51ba$2f04efa0$8d0ece...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Good Grief! Yet another Mao fan in the WH?

[Bob Calco]

So far, Mao has everybody beat in the body count department, including
Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. To find a modern analogy: If number of death
were like Nielson ratings, Mao's like FOX News to their MSNBC, CBS and ABC. 

But it cannot be a good thing that so many of his "czars" are card-carrying
Mao Fan Club members. 

No, I don't think he's the Antichrist of Revelation. I think that
distinction went to Nero. But I do think he is AN Antichrist, and I think it
will take generations to recover from his attempt to 'fundamentally
transform America'... He wasn't kidding, and it's time for people to wake
up. 

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:38 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Good Grief! Yet another Mao fan in the WH?
> 
> Michael Madigan wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> > Still think Obama isn't the AntiChrist?  LOL
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> What is the body count? How many political enemies have been
> mysteriously killed, exiled or simply disappeared?
> 
> We lost count with Clinton, so this is nothing new.
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00f401ca51ba$1bb90e40$532b2a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Good Grief! Yet another Mao fan in the WH?

[Bob Calco]

Looks like Murtha is a Maoist too... but I doubt he read any of his
"philosophy"... Comes "naturally" to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8

Sigh.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:36 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] Good Grief! Yet another Mao fan in the WH?
> 
> No not Anita Dunn, or Van Jones, or Mark Lloyd... this time it's Ron
> Bloom:
> 
> http://bit.ly/1nm4Fi
> 
> It's not even shocking anymore, the number "Mao" fans with whom Obama
> has
> surrounded himself.
> 
> Indeed: Are there any "czars" of his who *aren't* big fans of Mao Tse
> Tung?!
> 
> He DID tell us during the debate to look at the people he surrounds
> himself
> with, if you want to know his policies.
> 
> To quote Bloom: "We get it..."
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00f001ca51ae$877e4840$967ad8...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obama Administration hoaxes US Chamber Of Commerce Press Conference

[Bob Calco]

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 AM
> To: mikes horse racing
> Subject: [OT] Obama Administration hoaxes US Chamber Of Commerce Press
> Conference
> 
> Nothing like total misinformation.  Bye Bye America.
> 
> http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/10/us-chamber-of-commerce-
> employee.html

Wow. Things are deteriorating like even I didn't imagine.

Wait till Thursday when the administration comes out with its so-called "Net
Neutrality" doctrine, designed to ensure anything but that. Architected by
socialists at the so-called "Free Press" it's going to allow the government
to control the media, including now the Internet, like never before. Free
Press's leader is an avowed socialist who has said openly that revolution in
America cannot happen without a total restructuring of the media. That's
what "Net Neutrality" really is about. Talk about Orwellian.

I guess this stunt was a test run of the new Maoist regime's ability to drag
the media by a leash. Obviously, it can't work till people like the guy who
interrupted the "press conference" are in the gulag or in a ditch with a
bullet in the back of his head.

But what WAS scary was that the journalists were only asking the faker who
he was AFTER he was exposed. Until then, they were going along without
question. The media is more pliant than ever for a government take-over.
THAT ought to be the take-away, whoever the perpetrators of the stunt really
were.

- Bob

> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00d301ca518c$f616ef90$e244ce...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Ricardo is also a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

> > LOL, despite the subject you chose to sport for our "civil" debate
> (which
> > I've taken the liberty to correct for civility), sure, I'll give it a
> whirl.
> > It'll be a refreshing departure from the norm. :)
> >
> Sorry, old habits die hard.

S'OK, I'm taking the civility a step further per the NEW subject title, in
light of our glasnost or kumbaya or whatever we got going on here.

> >
> > Is that the question on which you'd like me to opine? Or is it
> something
> > else? I may be injecting my own assumptions here.
> >
> If that were the question then we'd first have to go into defining the
> "goals" of said free republic.

Indeed!

> So let's keep it as simple as possible. The question is, do you state
> that reducing administration, health, and education whilst enlarging
> military and police is better for a republic than the opposite?
> Now you are an educated man Bob, so you can keep complicating the issue
> or give a straight and honest answer. Which will it be?

The simple straight answer is that I believe a contractual system based on
private property rooted in the rule of law under a republican form of
government is the one least likely to fail at providing all of the above
services, in whatever proportions are necessary for the times, and most
likely to be accepting of and responsive to remedial changes. 

Other modern forms of government based on command and control cannot, and
have not, succeeded on any appreciable scale, and in fact have been
unmitigated disasters, both fiscally and in terms of human rights
(communism/socialism are responsible for 200 million deaths in the 20th
century alone).

Your phrasing of the question I cannot accept because I don't presume to
know the correct "proportion" of this or that allocation of resources that
"optimizes" happiness. It is presumptuous to believe any one person can.
Moreover, it is dangerous.

I trust simple individuals acting in an adjudicated contractual system to
better their lot as they perceive it any time over committees of
professional mountebanks with the monopoly force behind them, to enforce
whatever lunatic schemes they devise in their power-hungry hearts.

> Let's rephrase. I see the involvement of the state in the welfare of
> it's citizens in two levels which often get thrown together. How much
> involvement there should be, and in which areas.

There is also the question of constraints on that power, which usually
involve devices like bicameral legislatures, separation of powers, federal
vs. state vs. municipal power, and measures to reduce or at least mitigate
the debilitating effect of majority faction. As the last two presidencies
and their respective Congresses have demonstrated, we are breaking all of
those safeguards down here in America, and are ripe for tyranny.

> Now, to treat
> socialists as a different species you should answer "there should be NO
> involvement of the state in the welfare of it's citizens" in which case
> the question would be "Then what IS the function of the state?". OTOH
> if
> you would describe an amount and manner of involvement  I would ask
> "Then why do you consider socialists inherently different from you? You
> just disagree in the 'amount' of involvement.".

It is not a mere disagreement by degree. They don't fall on that continuum
as you suppose that they do. Marxism is an ideology of power, based on a
view of man that reduces individuals to so many disposable ants, and cares
not a whit for the masses as a whole, either. It's an evil, cancerous
ideology that appeals to the basest instincts of envy and hate and revenge.

Attempts to put lipstick on the pig by making it hip -- I love all the Che
Guevara t-shirts that are in vogue again, by the way, or the faux-Soviet
nature of Obama "art" -- or give it "relevance" (like all those pathetic,
mind-numb, ridiculous "studies" in college today... gender studies, black
studies, etc.)... None of these are anything more than frontal assaults on
the affective domain, the softest spot of just under the medulla oblongata,
and has resulted in an entire generation of young adults that cannot, in
fact, think for themselves or survive anything more intellectually rigorous
than a sit-in at Borders listening to their favorite Marxist poet wax on
about, ah, the injustice of it all.

It's insidious, and ultimately guided by a spirit--the spirit of the god of
this world--that is at war with everything good. But I risk descending into
theology now, so I'll stop with that.

That said, such people are amusing in small doses, or when relegated to
their koffee-klatches and collegiate sit-ins. But when they are in power,
bad things invariably happen, things that take generations to heal, or may
never mend.

> I know I'm leaving a lot of gaps, this is not my native language, I'm
> at
> the office, and I don't have the time to write a 2000 words essay.
> Let's
> see if you can get what I mean and answer straight up.

To summarize, I don't accept the framing of th

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

Oh, and then there's this, January 8, 2006:

<http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html>

- - -
Duckworth knows that political pundits are focused on her. As a Democratic
candidate in a historically Republican district trying to win the House seat
being vacated by retiring Republican icon Henry Hyde, her 6th District race
is becoming a Democratic Party priority and a talking point among political
heavyweights.

"Very rarely have I met a more impressive person than Tammy Duckworth," said
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in an article the day before she announced her
candidacy Dec. 18. "She just has the poise and exudes the type of character
that I think would make her an astounding public servant."

Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate
Obama have "a kama'aina connection."

Both were born outside the country - Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in
Thailand - and graduated from high school in Honolulu - Punahou and
McKinley, respectively.
- - -

H. Once upon a time suggesting Obama wasn't born in Hawaii was OK, even
in Hawaii.

- Bob


> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> For the cut and paste challenged:
> 
> http://bit.ly/1b0wG5
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:
> >
> >
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/new
> > s2606
> > 0403.htm>
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> > > To: ProFox Email List
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> > >
> > > Because his school and medical records are none of your or my
> > business.
> > > There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for
> > them
> > > to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no
> > right
> > > to see yours.
> > >
> > > If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office
> then
> > > that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> > > ordered him to?
> > >
> > > Adam.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > > Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> > > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> > >
> > > > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> > > natural
> > > > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of...
> > Also
> > > > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> > > parents
> > > > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> > > points
> > > > towards...
> > > > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > > > subject".
> > >
> > > The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how
> difficult
> > a
> > > legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances
> about
> > > parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who
> a
> > > citizen
> > > is, etc:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> > >
> > > Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels
> > is
> > > a
> > > mess.
> > >
> > > His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father
> > was
> > > a
> > > citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual
> > citizen
> > > on
> > > some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia.
> > I'd
> > > like
> > > to see his college records just to see w

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

For the cut and paste challenged:

http://bit.ly/1b0wG5

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:
> 
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/new
> s2606
> 0403.htm>
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > Because his school and medical records are none of your or my
> business.
> > There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for
> them
> > to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no
> right
> > to see yours.
> >
> > If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> > that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> > ordered him to?
> >
> > Adam.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Bob Calco
> > Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> >
> > > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> > natural
> > > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of...
> Also
> > > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> > parents
> > > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> > points
> > > towards...
> > > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > > subject".
> >
> > The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult
> a
> > legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> > parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> > citizen
> > is, etc:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> >
> > Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels
> is
> > a
> > mess.
> >
> > His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father
> was
> > a
> > citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual
> citizen
> > on
> > some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia.
> I'd
> > like
> > to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> > perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> >
> > The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> > records
> > and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> > defending
> > them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the
> short
> > form
> > suffices to prove his eligibility.
> >
> > The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> > but
> > all
> > his vital records are sealed. Why?
> >
> > >
> > > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those
> who
> > > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over
> from
> > > the
> > > most unpopular president for many decades.
> >
> > I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
> > paternity
> > may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started
> > out
> > technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
> > thing.
> >
> > If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
> > from
> > so many different sources in so many municipalities across the
> country
> > challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main
> reason
> > for
> > the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather
> lack
> > of
> > standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that
> made
> > it
> > past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26,
> 2010,
> > in a
> > California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to
> > quash,
> > because discovery could open up the d

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

Funny what you find in the archives. This, from 2004:

<http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news2606
0403.htm>

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
> to be released. You have no right to see my records and I have no right
> to see yours.
> 
> If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> ordered him to?
> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> natural
> > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> parents
> > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> points
> > towards...
> > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > subject".
> 
> The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
> legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> citizen
> is, etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> 
> Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is
> a
> mess.
> 
> His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was
> a
> citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen
> on
> some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd
> like
> to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> 
> The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> records
> and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> defending
> them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short
> form
> suffices to prove his eligibility.
> 
> The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> but
> all
> his vital records are sealed. Why?
> 
> >
> > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> > the
> > most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one who still thinks the issue of
> paternity
> may be what he's actually hiding (Frank Marshall Davis), and started
> out
> technically skeptical on the citizenship issue. But it's a curious
> thing.
> 
> If the issues were totally bogus, there would not be so many lawsuits
> from
> so many different sources in so many municipalities across the country
> challenging the so called established facts, nor would the main reason
> for
> the dismissal of the suits not be the facts themselves, but rather lack
> of
> standing or jurisdiction; nor would there be a trial over it that made
> it
> past such technical hurdles and is now scheduled for January 26, 2010,
> in a
> California court, which the Justice Dept is trying desperately to
> quash,
> because discovery could open up the documents that are for some reason
> sealed.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, the State of Hawaii wouldn't be fighting
> attempts to obtain proof of the basis on which their declaration was
> made---it is in fact a statutory requirement to make such
> determinations
> public. But so far they haven't. It's just an assertion at this point.
> 
> If they were totally bogus, he'd just release his long form birth
> certificate, school records (indicating perhaps what citizenship he
> CLAIMED
> as a matter of getting federal aid and/or acceptance to the university)
> and
> be done with it.
> 
> But, for some reason, he won't. In fact he signed an executive order on
> day
> 2 of his presidency that effectively sealed his records.
> 
> And then there's the fact the DNC notarized 2 different versions of the
> nomination letter---one with language regardin

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> 
> Even in the rather unlikely case that it were true..do those
> technicalities really matter...

Only if you care about free humanity, and the fact that if true it would be
the biggest political fraud in the history of modern civilization, one that
may doom generations of people around the world, not just Americans, to
economic and political oppression of an order and magnitude not yet
experienced in the world's bloody history.

Other than that no big deal. 

> yawn indeed

Sigh indeed.

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/039c01ca4d9d$953170d0$bf9452...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

> Because his school and medical records are none of your or my business.
> There is no need (unless he campaigned on his school records) for them
> to be released. 

He ran at least in part on his literary genius, which has since been proven
to be totally fraudulent, or in any case complicated by the embarrassing
help of his secret sharer, Bill Ayers. He ran on the fact he was editor of
the Harvard Law Review, but everything he wrote there has been sealed as
well. 

He ran on his identity as Barack Hussein Obama. A name he complained about
because it sounds funny, as if he was a victim, but which he freely
re-adopted after it was changed to Barry Soetoro by his Indonesian (Muslim)
step father. Then bragged about it and his Muslim upbringing to Muslims once
elected.

Which reminds me: He ran on being a Christian, but even this has proven to
be posturing, in light of his apology tour, and his bona fides in this
regard are undermined by his relationship with (Black Liberation Theology
adherent) Jeremiah Wright, who is as much a Christian as James Cone or Che
Guevara or V. I. Lenin. 

> You have no right to see my records and I have no right
> to see yours.

Neither of us are President of the United States, with an obligation to
prove our identity and our allegiance.

> 
> If he has proven his NBC status enough to be able to take office then
> that should be the end of it. If he hasn't then why hasn't a judge
> ordered him to?

You can be daft at times. Did you not catch the fact that there is a trial
over the matter scheduled in a California court in January 2010? Have you
not followed the large number of cases that have been dismissed merely on
jurisdiction/lack of standing technicalities, without a hearing of the
facts? Obama has spent over $1 mil. fighting attempts to force him to
release his long form birth certificate.

Isn't the dual nomination letters, one including and the other excluding
normal eligibility language, the latter being what was filed, of interest?
Might the DNC have learned the truth, as it were, too late, and rather than
face embarrassment and defeat, joined in on the charade? Aren't you curious
why he wrote an executive order effectively sealing all his records?

This, I daresay, does matter, given the eligibility clause in the
Constitution, which is not a cut and dry affair. Obama's biography tests
every penumbra of every nuance in the law on this matter, which is why they
are trying to discredit the people asking the questions, instead of shutting
them up by releasing the requested proofs---including any embarrassing facts
they may contain.

- Bob

> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 15 October 2009 13:46
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> > What  pile of rubbish, how can you have legal definitions of a
> natural
> > born citizen... when there was no country to be a citizen of... Also
> > dual citizenship does not preclude being a NBC. If you take the
> parents
> > aren't US citizens and include English law to which the posting
> points
> > towards...
> > " every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born
> > subject".
> 
> The Wikipedia article on natural born citizenship shows how difficult a
> legal issue it really is when you start sifting through nuances about
> parental allegiance, the latitude that states have in defining who a
> citizen
> is, etc:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen
> 
> Whatever the case his identity itself on even the most basic levels is
> a
> mess.
> 
> His father was a British subject, not a US citizen. His step father was
> a
> citizen of Indonesia, and adopted him, making him likely a dual citizen
> on
> some level of possibly 4 countries ...US, GB, Kenya and Indonesia. I'd
> like
> to see his college records just to see what his records say... Was he
> perchance Barry Soetoro from Indonesia?
> 
> The dude has something on his long form birth certificate, school
> records
> and medical records worth hiding. Or he wouldn't be protecting and
> defending
> them from any scrutiny with an army of lawyers, or pretending the short
> form
> suffices to prove his eligibility.
> 
> The man is now President of the United States for crying out loud...
> but
> all
> his vital records are sealed. Why?
> 
> >
> > This is a dead subject except for conspiracy theorists and those who
> > just want to divert attention from a new government taking over from
> > the
> > most unpopular president for many decades.
> 
> I guess I'm a reluctant birther, one 

RE: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

 popular than George Bush, who is already looking like a
fiscal tight-wad and supernaturally tolerant of criticism by comparison.

- Bob 

> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: 14 October 2009 19:17
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes
> 
> http://bit.ly/8LOVs
> 
> - - -
> The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it
> used to
> declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very
> interesting,
> considering Obama's Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack
> Obama
> Jr
> is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his
> parentage.
> 
> Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600's is not, was
> not,
> and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where
> Barack
> Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could
> have
> been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C.
> itself,
> and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama's parentage
> remains
> the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.
> 
> There is absolutely no doubt.
> 
> There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama.
> He
> and
> those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of
> Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every
> treaty
> signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.
> 
> This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with.
> The
> United States does not have a constitutional government.
> 
> This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through
> as
> fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the
> Senate
> even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public
> knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon
> America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done.
> Rightly so.
> 
> This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This
> time,
> it won't be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the
> DNC
> Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for
> the
> cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.
> 
> This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep
> people
> focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would
> rather
> people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship
> that
> was conferred upon him by his British father.
> - - -
> 
> The letters she quotes earlier in the article from the state of Hawaii
> were,
> to say the least, eye opening. They clearly don't want to explain the
> basis
> for their declaration, at all.
> 
> Gets curiouser and curiouser all the time.
> 
> The only way it could work out that he's a Natural Born US citizen is
> if
> his
> father -- as I hypothesize in this case -- is actually Frank Marshall
> Davis.
> 
> http://bit.ly/224zI2
> 
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/039101ca4d95$6f396a20$4dac3e...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] [USP] "We're Going To Let You Die"

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/1NHGfS

- - -
Robert Reich advocated in detail the cutting off of funds to elder patients
and the lower funding of medical research, fully accepting that more people
would die. Newsbusters quotes him:

"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all
that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your
life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too
expensive...so we're going to let you die."
- - -

How do you spell "projection"?

Like this:

http://bit.ly/2aRDrG

- Bob





___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/031501ca4cff$261fa520$725eef...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] [USP] Barack Obama and Hawaii On the Ropes

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/8LOVs

- - -
The State of Hawaii will soon be forced to reveal the information it used to
declare Barack Obama a Natural Born citizen. This will be very interesting,
considering Obama's Father was a British Citizen. therefore Barack Obama Jr
is also a British Citizen, and was at birth by the very nature of his
parentage.

Barack Obama, by legal definitions going back to the 1600's is not, was not,
and never has been a Natural Born Citizen. It does not matter where Barack
Obama was born; he was a dual American/British/Kenyan citizen. He could have
been born on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. itself,
and it would not matter. The basic fact of Barack Obama's parentage remains
the same. A Dual Citizen cannot ever be a Natural Born Citizen.

There is absolutely no doubt.

There is an Usurper in the White House, and his name is Barack Obama. He and
those who aided him in this usurpation, including the DNC are guilty of
Treason to the United States. Every law that has been passed, every treaty
signed, every order issued to the military has zero legal weight.

This leads to a singularly terrifying reality that must be dealt with. The
United States does not have a constitutional government.

This is the reason the Democrats in Congress are pushing things through as
fast as they possibly can, without reading and in the case of the Senate
even writing the legislation they are voting on. Once it becomes public
knowledge what the Democrats and the DNC have done in their fraud upon
America with Barack Obama, they will not be able to get anything done.
Rightly so.

This is a scandal and cover-up 100 times the size of Watergate. This time,
it won't be just a President resigning in disgrace, it will also be the DNC
Leadership who will be under the criminal investigation microscope for the
cover-up, and it is a scrutiny they cannot withstand.

This is the reason Barack Obama is doing everything he can to keep people
focused on the irrelevant issue of his birth certificate. He would rather
people be thinking about where he was born rather than the citizenship that
was conferred upon him by his British father.
- - -

The letters she quotes earlier in the article from the state of Hawaii were,
to say the least, eye opening. They clearly don't want to explain the basis
for their declaration, at all.

Gets curiouser and curiouser all the time.

The only way it could work out that he's a Natural Born US citizen is if his
father -- as I hypothesize in this case -- is actually Frank Marshall Davis.

http://bit.ly/224zI2


- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/030b01ca4cfa$77c73780$6755a6...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Bob is a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> >excessive quoting removed by server
> 
> Story of your life, Bob ?

Yea, and yours is "Excessive yawning ignored by server"...

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02f201ca4ce1$a2dbb220$e89316...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Bob is a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

Well that woke you up! Good morning!

Don't forget the butter. :)

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Jean Laeremans
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:29 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Bob is a socialist
> 
> 2009/10/14 Ricardo Aráoz :
> > Ok, let's try and have a civil argument Bob.
> 
> Moment please, i'll get the popcorn...
> 
> A+
> jml
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02e501ca4cdf$e2eb7460$a8c25d...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Bob is a reasonable person

[Bob Calco]

Ricardo:

> Ok, let's try and have a civil argument Bob.

LOL, despite the subject you chose to sport for our "civil" debate (which
I've taken the liberty to correct for civility), sure, I'll give it a whirl.
It'll be a refreshing departure from the norm. :)

> I often see you praising police force and military, and at the same
> time
> I see you ranting against the state taking control etc.
> So I have two questions (I'd expect you to answer BOTH)

Yes Sir. (Actually there are about thirty or forty questions embedded in the
two you claim to be asking; but we shall whip out our scalpels and dissect
them clinically, as you like.)

> Bobby, it would be nice if , only for this thread, we keep arguments
> limited to the topics at hand and avoid name calling and stuff. We
> could
> agree that any side arguments will be dealt in different threads, and
> that if someone resorts to personal attack or emotional arguments it
> means he's got no more arguments to refute his opponent. Deal

Any time you (or Goeff, or Ed, or anybody) want to step up to an adult
debate level, I'm happy to oblige. I just figure you like flicking boogers
most of the time, so I adapt my methods. But if you will keep it classy, so
will I...

LET us go then, you and I,  
When the evening is spread out against the sky  
Like a patient etherised upon a table;  
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,  
The muttering retreats 
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels  
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:  
Streets that follow like a tedious argument  
Of insidious intent  
To lead you to an overwhelming question . 
Oh, do not ask, "What is it?"  
Let us go and make our visit.

> 
> i - If you reduce or eliminate the state, then you reduce or eliminate
> the military forces and police forces. So where do you stand on this?

Let us formulate the question more precisely: "How much force/state power is
precisely sufficient for a strong national security and internal stability,
that is at the same time NOT inimical to the goals of a free republic?" 

Is that the question on which you'd like me to opine? Or is it something
else? I may be injecting my own assumptions here.

> 
> ii - You often speak of socialists or 'leftists' as if they where a
> different species from you. 

They are. I have the DNA tests to prove it. Technically I'm homo sapiens
sapiens, and they are homo sapiens tyrannicus. ;-)

> Are you against the existence of a state?

No, I am not an anarchist, if that's your question.

> Would you wish the dissolution of USA? Or else, they are not a
> different
> species and the only difference between a socialist and you is where
> they draw the line of state involvement, only a difference of
> proportion.

The first question has zero connection to the next, except insofar as your
line of reasoning implies about a dozen corollary arguments to arrive at the
conclusion which you ham-fist into the first question. But anyway.

The question is actually this: What is it about "socialist" philosophy that
rubs me so adversely at whatever level my animus is aroused and
why?right? And aren't socialists just like me, in that we occupy some
perhaps different point on a straight-line continuum from anarchy to
totalitarianism?

Confirm/clarify the questions, and we shall proceed with our experiment in
elenchus. I am formulating a few of my own to share at the appropriate time.

- Bob

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02e401ca4cdf$c10bbb70$432332...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Thank God for the US Dollar

[Bob Calco]

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93092?fp=1

- - -

The anus of outer space, sitting on the toilet of the world

At least we have the greenback when we need it.

Print on, righteous printing press!

- Bob









   



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02b001ca4c80$ccb4db50$661e91...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] [USP] White House targets Fox as it goes after press critics

[Bob Calco]

> So, why has Obama spent $1 mil. + to prevent his long form birth
> certificate
> from scrutiny? Why not just provide the long form and shut everybody
> up? Yet
> he refuses to do it, and fights every attempt to force the issue.
> 
> Why did the DNC notarize two different copies of the certification of
> nomination, one with language affirming the constitutional
> compatibility of
> his and Biden's candidacy, and one without ---  the latter being what
> they
> actually filed with the states?
> 
> Why is he clinging to the short form internet photo as the only "proof"
> required when the State of Hawaii won't even guarantee an applicant a
> job in
> Hawaii, if all they had as proof of residency was the short form?
> 
> Just wonderin'.

And as usual, the sound of "anti-incumbent" non-linear-thinking... crickets.

- Bob

> 
> - Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02ac01ca4c7e$94d92710$be8b75...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Ruh Roh, Shaggy!

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/1WakId

- - - 
Bernanke could go down in economic history as the man who killed the
greenback on the operating table. 

After printing up trillions of new dollars and new bonds to stimulate the US
economy, the Federal Reserve chief is now boxed into a corner battling two
separate monsters that could devour the economy -- ravenous inflation on one
hand, and a perilous recession on the other. 

"He's in a crisis worse than the meltdown ever was," said Peter Schiff,
president of Euro Pacific Capital. "I fear that he could be the Fed chairman
who brought down the whole thing." 

Investors and central banks are snubbing dollars because the greenback is
kept too weak by zero interest rates and a flood of greenbacks in the global
economy. 

They grumble that they've loaned the US record amounts to cover its mounting
debt, but are getting paid back by a currency that's worth 10 percent less
in the past three months alone. In a decade, it's down nearly one-third. 

Yesterday, the dollar had a mixed performance, falling slightly against the
British pound to $1.5801 from $1.5846 Friday, but rising against the euro to
$1.4779 from $1.4709 and against the yen to 89.85 yen from 89.78. 

Economists believe the market rebellion against the dollar will spread until
Bernanke starts raising interest rates from around zero to the high single
digits, and pulls back the flood of currency spewed from US printing
presses.
- - -

The lunacy of our new but hip hyper-inflationary, credit eviscerating fiscal
policies finally coming home to roost, or starting to. 

Too soon. 

Too bad.

To quote VP Biden: The stimulus package is working better than he ever
imagined it could!

How many radical oral pediectomies has this guy had? No wonder health care
costs are skyrocketing 

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/02a201ca4c6b$ea807820$bf8168...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Changed my mind - [OT] conversations can be a bit interesting to watch
> can't
> they?  Just like a ping-pong game.

Actually, it's more like the old BASIC game of Gorilla, each side measuring
the trajectory in light of wind direction and force of the next heave-ho of
the banana.

> Oh wait, I hate ping-pong.

You are so coy!

> Can't believe this one is still going, and you're now up to names like
> Willie Wankstain.

Oh, just wait! The half-life of any one OT post is a magnificent case study
in chaos theory, and nuclear physics, all wrapped up in one harmless stream
of text data.

:)

> Had to just thank you all personally for the entertainment factor.  Too
> funny.

Be careful. With all this excitement, Ricardo is likely to hit on you. He
fancies himself a kind of Latin Casanova, being, as it were, recently
divorced, or in any case exiled to the couch. :)

- Bob

> 
> - Tina




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/029801ca4c57$c2a96eb0$47fc4c...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Bob Calco wrote:
> >> Nicholas Geti wrote:
> >>
> >>> I trust you mean Willie Wonka. Willie Wanker has another meaning.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> A gentleman should always say what he means and mean what he says.
> >>
> >
> > Right, which is why he was questioning what you meant. ;)
> >
> C'mon Bobby, you completely missed the double entendre, he caught it
> but
> didn't give me enough credit.

Actually I don't think Nick got it, but I now I did. I just couldn't resist
the low-hanging softball you lobbed back at him.

NASA is engaging the Hubble to find it as we speak

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/029701ca4c47$264a6840$72df38...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] [USP] White House targets Fox as it goes after press critics

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> >> > Fox has been holding back on the birth certificate information.
> >>  Obama doesn't want them mad at him.
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Do you believe everything that you read or write from your private
> >> info sources?
> >
> > I actually know a professional private investigator who discovered
> that one
> > of several SSNs associated with Obama belongs to a dead man from
> > Connecticut, and that he submitted the information and how he
> verified it to
> > Fox.
> >
> > I don't know what if anything Fox plans to do with the information,
> but they
> > have it. And this guy, unlike me, isn't big into politics. Or at
> least he
> > wasn't until recently.
> >
> > We are in a weird twilight zone right now. The government can
> contemplate a
> > bill in which the federal government, under penalty of law (fines and
> even
> > prison), can mandate that every citizen buy a particular product
> And yet
> > when someone says "Hey, isn't that unconstitutional?" they're called
> > racists. So all of this will play out in some unexpected ways over
> the next
> > couple years.
> 
> 
> I can't see the Swift Boaters, or any of their friends, holding back.
> Sorry but the glory associated to whomever topples the President would
> be more then having the gas engine that gets 70+ mpg.  They just
> doesn't exist.

So, why has Obama spent $1 mil. + to prevent his long form birth certificate
from scrutiny? Why not just provide the long form and shut everybody up? Yet
he refuses to do it, and fights every attempt to force the issue.

Why did the DNC notarize two different copies of the certification of
nomination, one with language affirming the constitutional compatibility of
his and Biden's candidacy, and one without ---  the latter being what they
actually filed with the states?

Why is he clinging to the short form internet photo as the only "proof"
required when the State of Hawaii won't even guarantee an applicant a job in
Hawaii, if all they had as proof of residency was the short form?

Just wonderin'.

- Bob

> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/029601ca4c46$9021db00$b06591...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Nicholas Geti wrote:
> > I trust you mean Willie Wonka. Willie Wanker has another meaning.
> >
> A gentleman should always say what he means and mean what he says.

Right, which is why he was questioning what you meant. ;)

- Bob





___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/029501ca4c46$1c9f8b00$55dea1...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] [USP] White House targets Fox as it goes after press critics

[Bob Calco]

> > Fox has been holding back on the birth certificate information.
>  Obama doesn't want them mad at him.
> ---
> 
> Do you believe everything that you read or write from your private
> info sources?

I actually know a professional private investigator who discovered that one
of several SSNs associated with Obama belongs to a dead man from
Connecticut, and that he submitted the information and how he verified it to
Fox.

I don't know what if anything Fox plans to do with the information, but they
have it. And this guy, unlike me, isn't big into politics. Or at least he
wasn't until recently.

We are in a weird twilight zone right now. The government can contemplate a
bill in which the federal government, under penalty of law (fines and even
prison), can mandate that every citizen buy a particular product And yet
when someone says "Hey, isn't that unconstitutional?" they're called
racists. So all of this will play out in some unexpected ways over the next
couple years.

I hope the republic survives it. I'm not confident it will.

- Bob

> 
> If Fox News had the goods on the "Certificate" they would have
> released it to blow the D party's primary ship into the abyss.
> Because there still is nothing they rumor about it and you repeat.
> 
> You sound as bad as the democrats crying after the Gore election.
> 
> I am proud to be an Anti Incumbent.  As a nation we have to get rid of
> both cancers that are killing us.  One is blood born and the other is
> a massive solid tumor.  Both spread quite easily and within no time at
> all, all Freshman legislators are infected.
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/028501ca4c3e$28eec360$7acc4a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

Ricardo ol' buddy!

> Hey! Let's do something even better. I promise not to post anything
> related to Argentina's internal politics and you don't post about USA's
> internal politics.
> Deal?

Tempting, but no thanks. I'm fine with tagging by subject. :)

> I'd also like a word count category, so I can ignore all your posts
> that
> exceed 100 words.

I'm not sure I can create subject titles that short. Especially after our
new "taxonomy" of OT tags goes into full effect...

> You are right. You should be banned because you are a bore, that you
> are
> not intelligent should not be held against you. ;c)

Gosh thanks.

> But I
> > note the outrage is always about me, Mike or Pete, and never about
> Ricardo,
> > Geoff, or even Ed---all three of whom have their own trademark brands
> of
> > mocking and insulting people.
> That's because "outrageists" are known leftists and/or socialists.

Nah, just a$$holes. Who may or may not be leftists and/or socialists. ;)

> I was under the impression Mikey was an AU (artificial un-intelligence)
> engine created after the character Willy Wanker (the owner of that
> chocolate factory, you know).

Mike's a good guy, and to infer from his "writing style" that he's mean or
not intelligent is like inferring from yours that you're not a scholar and a
gentleman.

OK, you may have a point... LOL

Still, Mike's a good guy. And you're OK too, despite your mental
impairments, which to your credit you don't even try to hide by slinking
behind the accepted opinions of others, like a certain dunderhead from down
under does with disturbing regularity.

> 
> > We all love freedom of speech until someone speaks freely, or "our
> side" is
> > in power.
> I don't think they object your politics or your freedom of speech.
> Merely your lack of manners. ;c)

Lack of manners? Note, I've even started voluntarily using the proposed
[USP] tag so that certain people of, shall we say, delicate literary
disposition won't have to risk any more cardiac arrests when they open their
Inbox.

- Bob





___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/027b01ca4c3c$9c1dae20$d4590a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] [USP] Sunstein: Econ crisis could usher in socialism

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/oIACM

- - -
He laments, "In a variety of ways, subtle and less subtle, public and
private actions have made it most difficult for socialism to have any
traction in the United States." 

...

A prominent theme throughout Sunstein's 39-page paper, entitled "Climate
Change Justice" ... maintains U.S. wealth should be redistributed to poorer
nations. He uses terms such as "distributive justice" several times. The
paper was written with fellow attorney Eric A. Posner. 

"It is even possible that desirable redistribution is more likely to occur
through climate change policy than otherwise, or to be accomplished more
effectively through climate policy than through direct foreign aid," wrote
Sunstein. 

He posited: "We agree that if the United States does spend a great deal on
emissions reductions as part of an international agreement, and if the
agreement does give particular help to disadvantaged people, considerations
of distributive justice support its action, even if better redistributive
mechanisms are imaginable. 

"If the United States agrees to participate in a climate change agreement on
terms that are not in the nation's interest, but that help the world as a
whole, there would be no reason for complaint, certainly if such
participation is more helpful to poor nations than conventional foreign-aid
alternatives," he wrote. 

Sunstein maintains: "If we care about social welfare, we should approve of a
situation in which a wealthy nation is willing to engage in a degree of
self-sacrifice when the world benefits more than that nation loses." 
- - -

Meet your new "Regulatory Czar"... A proponent of using "climate change" as
an excuse to usher in socialist redistribution policies. At least he doesn't
even pretend it's about saving the planet.

This is the same lunatic who argued that animals should be given attorneys
to sue people, and that deer hunting must be abolished. 

Nope, no socialists or extremists in this MODERATE and POST-PARTISAN
administration... and of course "climate change" is all about saving the
planet and certainly NOT about sneaking in socialism... wherever do we
looney right wingers get such conspiracy ideas?

Well, aside from the horses' mouths. 

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/027401ca4c38$f948fc70$ebdaf5...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] [USP] US wants bunker-buster fast, denies Iran is reason

[Bob Calco]

> > - - -
> > The 15-ton behemoth - called the "massive ordinance penetrator," or
> MOP -
> > will be the largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal and will
> carry
> > 5,300 pounds of explosives. The bomb is about 10 times more powerful
> than
> > the weapon it is designed to replace.
> 
> Ah that's the American way...bombs ahoi...

No worries, we have a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate as Commander-in-Chief.

Tea partiers and Fox News anchors and commentators have more to fear from
this than terrorists or rogue nations.

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/025a01ca4c19$25bf5530$713dff...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] [USP] US wants bunker-buster fast, denies Iran is reason

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/3JTttn

- - -
The 15-ton behemoth - called the "massive ordinance penetrator," or MOP -
will be the largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal and will carry
5,300 pounds of explosives. The bomb is about 10 times more powerful than
the weapon it is designed to replace.

The Pentagon has awarded a nearly $52 million contract to speed up placement
of the bomb aboard the B-2 Stealth bomber, and officials say the bomb could
be fielded as soon as next summer.

Pentagon officials acknowledge that the new bomb is intended to blow up
fortified sites like those used by Iran and North Korea for their nuclear
programs, but they deny there is a specific target in mind.

"I don't think anybody can divine potential targets," Pentagon press
secretary Geoff Morrell said. "This is just a capability that we think is
necessary given the world we live in."
- - -

This move is so transparent.

Obviously, this is intended as a direct Presidential warning to ...Rupert
Murdoch.

;)

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/025901ca4c18$4130$c3...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Historical Perspective

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> > http://bit.ly/1fTq2S
> 
> And the point is ?

Ook. Ook!
Ook. Ook?
Ook! Ook.

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/024901ca4c0e$fd8ab6e0$f8a024...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] We all need to shed a tear as well.

[Bob Calco]

> 
> Sigh.

I've yet to meet anybody who uses monosyllabic grunts as effectively as you
do, Jean.

I bet you moonlight as an Ook hacker.

http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/ook.html

- Bob

> 
> A+
> jml




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023901ca4c0c$6254bec0$26fe3c...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] [USP] White House targets Fox as it goes after press critics

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/1qjEEz

- - -
Speaking of media magnate Rupert Murdoch's Fox, Dunn told the Times in an
interview published Monday: "We're going to treat them the way we would
treat an opponent..."
- - -

No wonder Hugo Chavez is grinning ear to ear lately. Apparently, Obama does
take advice into consideration!

Seriously, given the daily back rubs MSNBC hosts and anchors offer the
administration every evening, this must be a sign of big-time political
desperation.

- Bob





___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023801ca4c0c$1081eff0$3185cf...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Historical Perspective

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/1fTq2S

- - -
We look back at the Roman epoch with a sense of relief. We've learned so
much since then. No longer do we consider our leaders to be gods among men.
No longer do we hand them unearned and meretricious awards and prizes. We
don't turn on and destroy members of previous administrations. We don't
tolerate incompetent and corrupt sycophants in high office. We've learned to
recognize disorders such as pathological narcissism and assure that the
victims do not gain high office. Any president who placed his prestige on
the line with an athletic contest would be laughed to scorn. 

And as for political bloodshed, that kind of savagery has no place in a
modern democracy. Any party that called for the assassination of an opposing
leader -- say, George W. Bush -- would simply be run out of the public
sphere. Unlike the Romans, we all understand the concept of consequences,
that what goes around comes around. Don't we?
- - -

An excellent read.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023701ca4c0a$af5afc40$0e10f4...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] We all need to shed a tear as well.

[Bob Calco]

I note, nobody has done any tattoo teardrop retrospectives on FDR and his
war-mongering policies.

2,500+ US soldiers in ONE DAY at Normandy alone! Can a human body absorb
that much ink? We won't count the overall tens of thousands dead in WW2. And
all because he "let" the Japanese bomb Pearl Harborthen promptly went to
war with Germany!

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:13 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] We all need to shed a tear as well.
> 
> Stephen Russell wrote:
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> Hey, he is the *former* President. Bash Obama from now on.
> 
> :-)
> 
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023601ca4c07$8eeded80$acc9c8...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] We all need to shed a tear as well.

[Bob Calco]

Yeah and if only Obama had a tattoo teardrop for every soldier who died in
Afghanistan while he dithered on their mission and every worker his
policies is going to make or keep unemployed or force on the welfare
doleor every unborn child that is going to be aborted with government
funds under ObamaCare... or every senior citizen who is going to be talked
into voluntary lethal injections "for the greater good"  or every
American citizen who is going to be blown up by terrorists in the next few
years because of his coddling of dictators...or every kid who is going to be
dumbed down in our classrooms and spoon-fed mindless adoration of our Dear
Leader for partisan political purposes... why our tear ducts will become
virtual fire hoses before you know it.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] We all need to shed a tear as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023501ca4c06$b9ecf770$2dc6e6...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> 
> At 15:58 2009-10-12, Michael Madigan  wrote:
> >It's amazing that skilled programmers can't set filters.
> 
>   Actually, it is very easy.  The problem is that some of the
> [OT] material is of interest.  That is why I suggested that Ed create
> a [USP] tag for U.S. politics.

I don't mind voluntarily appending [USP] to [OT] whenever it's only about US
Politics, for those people closed-minded enough to want to filter that out.
It doesn't take an edict from Ed to achieve this. Let's just agree on a
taxonomy of off topic posts. I for one would like to filter out Australia
and Argentina. ;)

Again, my purpose is not and never has been to disrupt the educational
endeavors of legitimate ProFox folks, or to be a burden on anyone who thinks
I'm a boogeyman. I just enjoy the OT banter, it's really the only list where
I feel as comfortable as I do hemming and hawing about stuff, sharing my
honest views. I don't mind adding sub-categories to OT to help people select
the posts that actually interest them.

That said. I only resent two things from folks who like to dip their tippy
toes in OT water but then act like there are sharks who might gobble them up
if they wade in:

1. False piousness. Ed is the main offender here, but by no means the only.
He likes to act like he's never in his life lit a flame on OT, or said
anything rude, or posted mindless drivel, or otherwise acted like a jerk. We
*do* have the archives These phonies like to pretend the line of
demarcation between "us" (the good posters) and "them" (the trolls) is
intelligence. Spare me! Spare yourself!

2. Selective outrage. I agree I get into vain disputes and occasionally
cross lines of civility, the OT equivalent of a bar fight I guess. Guilty.
No excuse. But (a mitigating factor I hope) only with folks who go the
distance with me...and only when I know they have skulls thick enough to
absorb the impact. My good friends Ricardo and Geoff come to mind. :) But I
note the outrage is always about me, Mike or Pete, and never about Ricardo,
Geoff, or even Ed---all three of whom have their own trademark brands of
mocking and insulting people. Ed, OK, he's the maintainer of the list, we
all more or less have to kiss his gluteus. But singling out Mike (as so many
do), who (as Pete points out) has his "brand" of posting so to speak, and
actually when you get past the crusty one-liners is just as flesh-and-blood
as the rest of us, a complex person with an interesting life story (just
like Ed, Geoff and Ricardo for that matter), seems, well, disingenuous. 

Obviously, folks who lean left-of-center (whatever "center" is) hate me,
Mike and Pete (though in Comrade Pete's case I think they occasionally
engage in friendly fire ;) ), and folks who lean the other way are usually
tolerant of us. The Indignant Ones act like the three of us are some kind of
three-in-one unholy trinity, whereas if you pay attention to what we say,
you'll realize we have vastly different opinions on quite a few things, and
we appreciate each other's differences (even when Mike is calling me a moron
for not agreeing that Obama is "the" Anti-Christ, or I'm tagging Comrade
Pete for his Trotskyite views on executive compensation). Anyway. :)

I think everyone overreacting to "the tone of debate" is actually inwardly
recoiling at their own hypocrisy. If all of us posted only rants they agreed
with, after the manner of open-minded civility embodied in distinguished
philosophers like Jon Stuart or Bill Maher or Michael Moore (Ed's favorite
sources of illumination when he was still tippy-toeing in---now he merely
surfs on the backs of posts of people he hasn't twitted out), why, this
forum would be the epitome of goodness, truth and democratic participation,
for those currently whining about the way "some of us" express our opinions.

We all love freedom of speech until someone speaks freely, or "our side" is
in power. Then we act like merely penning a zinger is a crime against the
state---too horrible for innocent eyes to behold. Oh help us, benevolent
Nanny State! Protect me from these awful words!

Too funny! And kinda sad.

- Bob

> 
>   Mr. Madigan, how about you set a filter?  The type I am
> thinking of is one where you think twice about sending posts that
> contain insulting or inflammatory language and never do send them after
> all.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Gene Wirchenko




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/023101ca4bff$9c0f6a00$d42e3e...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the 

RE: [OT] Australians are sure open minded

[Bob Calco]

> It's called humour - a concept americans tend to think they invented
> and
> therefore seek to define the world over. it's bad enough that you want
> to
> enforce your own culture and economic and political systems abroad
> without
> us having to suffer through your absurd faux-moralistic views on
> humour.
> 

Problem: How to explain the concept of irony to someone who daily ingests
horse-killing doses of Obama-brand Hopium(tm) with the aid of an industrial
wet vac?

Conclusion: Probably not worth it.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/018f01ca4b40$cd022360$67066a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Well bob...
> 
> You gotta admit you are a bit of a target. You want to learn hebrew and
> greek because you don't trust all those 'leftist' Bible translators of
> the
> last 500 years and of course YOU would be a much better translator than
> any
> of them! (Russelite anyone?). 

No I want to learn them because I see wide variations between
interpretations, with in some cases vastly different implications, and since
I am naturally curious and gifted with languages, why not?

> And then we all need to recognise that
> Obama
> has engaged in all these un-constitutional acts and only YOU recognise
> it as
> such.

Give it time.

> 7 supreme court justices and thousands of other judges and
> lawyers and
> only YOU know better?
> 
> And you probably wonder why I think you are a paranoid conspiracy
> theorist...

I actually don't wonder what you think. I wonder whether you think.

- Bob

> 
> Geoff
> 




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/015e01ca4ae6$d5290810$7f7b18...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Thanks Bob (and others) for all the suggestions.

You're most welcome! 

> Bob - thanks for the detailed 2000 word :-) reply.  

I did that because Geoff, a compatriot of yours (my condolences),
desperately coveted a 2,000 word reply from me recently, but I denied him.
Wretched man that I am!

> I appreciate it
> immensely and understand all the points you make.  Don't mind saying I
> actually do secretly admire the way you compose your "clever retorts".
> LOL.

:)

> Keep putting that cat amongst the pigeons - you have a talent for it.

You're subtle! How refreshing!

> 
> I'll definately be unsubscribing to the [OT] posts in the near future
> though. 

Well that was a "So long, and thanks for all the fish" moment!

Bummer. Any chance you'd reconsider? 

> I don't come across words like proselytizing every day, and
> don't
> think I need to.  (and anyway.. in Australia we would probably spell
> that
> with an 's' not a 'z' so it's just way too much on too many levels
> right?)

I'm a victim of Jesuit education. I don't even realize the damage I'm doing.

> 
> Catch ya round guys,  enjoy the tit-for-tat banter about world events.

But you just said you hated it?! 

Oh...sorry. Forgot.

> 
> Tina
> 
> P.S.  And before I get any smartie pants replies - yes, I know what the
> word
> means.  I'm actually only a bottle blonde.  LOL :-)

You really ought to read what they put in those bottles. 

I have a simple shopping rule: if I can't pronounce it on the first read, or
any of its ingredients has unwholesome combinations of consonants involving
"l," "x," "y," and/or "z," or it says something like "may or may not contain
less than 2% of the following..." -- then I don't use it. Also, anything
"mechanically separated," right back on the shelf it goes.

It's a good rule. 

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/015d01ca4ae0$ebdb0690$c39113...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Homeric Themes in Ayers' "Dreams"

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/GLqWS

- - -
It is in New York too that Obama meets his Circe, still another subplot that
Andersen's reporting undermines. "She was white. She had dark hair, and
specks of green in her eyes. Her voice sounded like a wind chime," Obama
later tells his half-sister Auma in Dreams. "We saw each other for almost a
year." Obama, however, came to see that he and the girl lived in "two
worlds." He sensed that "if we stayed together I'd eventually live in hers."
And so he pushes her away.

Odysseus too shared the temptress Circe's bed for a year. Like Obama's
unnamed girlfriend, Circe lived in a "splendid house" on "spacious grounds."
She likewise wanted her lover to stay forever, but Odysseus's mates warned
him off, "You god-driven man, now the time has come to think about your
native land once more, if you are fated to be saved and reach your
high-roofed home and your own country." (Ian Johnston translation)

If Obama's friend nicely fills the Circe role, she is surely grounded in the
real life person of Diana Oughton, Ayers's lover who was killed in a 1970
bomb blast. As her FBI files attest, Oughton had brown hair and green eyes.
Oughton and Obama's alleged lover shared similar family backgrounds as well.
In fact, as I have previously reported, they seemed to have grown up on the
very same estate, right down to the ancestral home, the encircling trees and
small lake in the middle.

As Andersen reports, however, "No one, including [Obama's] roommate and
closest friend at the time, Siddiqi, knew of this mysterious lover's
existence." Obama's mother and sister never met her either although they
visited Obama in New York during this time period.  Again, it seems as if
Ayers imagined a seductress worthy of a Homeric hero and inserted her into
the flow of Obama's otherwise unremarkable life.  Doing so also allowed him
to editorialize on issues racial just as the corporate job enabled him to
opine on things capitalistic.
- - -

Why is this a big deal? Because so much of the goodwill that got Obama
elected was predicated on the (utterly false) contention of his literary
(and hence intellectual) acumen, and he was given a huge pass on any
relationship he may have had with Ayers---essentially getting away with
claiming he barely knew the guy. 

There is also something unfair about his getting all the literary accolades
that domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers, rightly deserves for his salvaging of
Obama's floundering book project. And something creepy about how much of
Ayers' autobiography made it into Obama's official memoirs.

It's also a big deal because it demonstrates how the media in these twilight
years of the republic has become completely immune to reality, if not
hostile to it.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/013e01ca4a6e$0a17a460$1e46ed...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Bob Calco wrote:
> > I understand that most of the world loves wallowing in squalor and
> having
> > their rights trampled on them by know-it-all government bureaucrats,
> and
> > therefore socialism is a respectable option for them.
> Yup, we'd rather have our rights trampled on by govt which we can vote
> out, 

LOL! Tell that to the opposition in Venezuela! Or Russia! Or Iran! ... LOL!

You're too much, Comrade Ricardo!

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/012a01ca49f8$bcbb50b0$3631f2...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> Ok Bobby, I feel in the duty of educating you a little on the ways of
> the world. You usually talk as if labelling someone "socialist" and/or
> "left wing" is demeaning. Most people around the world (not USA) will
> not see it that way. To them socialism is just another political
> position, or another respectable party. To most of them "left wing" is
> a
> political position with which they may or may not agree. Just so you
> know.

I understand that most of the world loves wallowing in squalor and having
their rights trampled on them by know-it-all government bureaucrats, and
therefore socialism is a respectable option for them. This is why I was
correcting the misperception among some who are not as nuanced as you that
just because left wing socialists on the Nobel Prize Committee award Barack
Obama an "'Atta Boy, Keep It Up" award based on campaign promises, it does
not mean "the world" thinks as highly of him as they do.

> About all this Nobel bs you are spreading. If the Nobel prize is "just
> a
> joke" why are you making such a big deal out of it?

I'm just responding to the big deal made out of it by others. I do think
there's something wrong about a foreign organization giving an elected
official (in any country) a $1.4 mil. political endorsement. 

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/012301ca49ec$e7fbd170$b7f374...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] What happened to global warming?

[Bob Calco]

< http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm>

- - -
This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that
the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in
global temperatures. 

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon
dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has
continued to rise. 

So what on Earth is going on?
- - -

The politicization of this subject has run its predictable course. We're
about to commit economic seppuku with "cap and trade" based on a blind faith
that cutting carbon emissions will solve the so-called problem. Indeed the
EPA now considers what we exhale a "pollutant." It's beyond nuts. But
eventually the science of the matter will be debated as is befitting a
complex subject. I just hope we don't destroy the engine of progress by
expecting politicians to "do something" about a problem scientists
themselves don't agree at all about.

This article is good because it highlights just how much disagreement there
is in the scientific community, all Al Gore's blather about the science
being settled notwithstanding. He's got a carbon offset business to run, and
political praises to be racked up and cashed in for favors; of course he's
going to say that.

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/010901ca49b3$6cf660a0$46e321...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

Tina:

Most email clients have a way to establish rules for moving incoming mail to
the appropriate predefined or user-defined folders. You could establish a
rule that every email from ProFox that starts with "[OT]" goes to the
"Deleted Items" folder, and for the most part all the political chatter will
go silent for you. This is covered in the FAQs and Ed is open about not
restricting discussions.

Ed by conscious and deliberate choice puts no restrictions on [OT]
discussions, and these are largely personality driven and usually about
politics, but not always. He has a tech-only list that filters most of it
out for you I believe.

My participation in ProFox is almost 100% OT, because I don't do much FoxPro
(unfortunately), but I like jousting with folks around the world in what is
mostly tit-for-tat banter about world events, even though outside of the
context of the many-year OT relationships that draw me back, the discussions
may seem quite unfriendly, even pointless. We all have our moments.

You kinda have to know (and on some level care about) the folks involved.
Contrary to popular misconception, I like or at least am entertained by just
about everybody with whom I get in beam-em-up discussions, but I don't feel
obligated to sugar coat what I say or how I say it--nor do I expect kid
gloves in return. Truth be told, I often bristle at what I myself
occasionally say. :) If that kind of free-for-all,
say-or-read-things-you-might-regret debate doesn't interest you on any
level, you better have a good filter!

OT on ProFox is not for the faint of heart. There is no other forum quite
like it, and I think that's a good thing or I wouldn't, uh, waste as much
time as I do composing (what I think are) clever retorts or posting items I
know will start a good mental food fight. :-)

(Incidentally I disagree that this is technically "trolling" because I don't
do it anonymously, the forum has a LG history, and my purpose is
not merely to cause controversy. That's just a necessary byproduct of what I
do it for, which is to throw out ideas or turns-of-phrase among friends (or
at least acquaintances) and see which ones make it through the gauntlet of
brutal criticism. Not everybody's into that.)

All that said, If Ed were ever to split the forums up and have one just for
debating, I'd gladly take my opinions there, mostly because I enjoy
specifically this activity with specifically this ribald band of OT
hooligans. It's kind of like a water cooler where you don't have to
introduce yourself all the time, "everybody knows your name" (for good or
ill) like a cyber version of the sit com Cheers... :) 

Ironically, if I really were into proselytizing my views, it's probably the
last place I'd go. The people who disagree with me on ProFox OT are pretty
dense. ;-)



- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Tina Currie
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 1:38 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today
> 
> 
> People please...!
> 
> As an active developer in Fox, I love that I have access to a WORLDWIDE
> network of like-minded developers that I can call on for assistance if
> need
> be, or just follow along with other's requests for assistance and now
> and
> then find a nugget of knowledge that I didn't realise I needed.  Gold!
> 
> I think the key word here is "worldwide".  This is a worldwide forum.
> But
> lately I find it's the "State your view on US Politics" forum.
> 
> As the wife of an Australian Soldier who has returned from Iraq, and
> constantly lives with the likelihood of being called up to serve in
> Afghanistan, I have some pretty strong opinions about all the politics
> involved in not only the "War on Terror" but the country that declared
> said
> war.
> 
> I do not however see this forum as a place to launch my personal
> political
> views (damn I wish I could underline the word "personal" there) on the
> world.   So you feel how you feel.  So you love Obama.  So you don't
> love
> Obama.  So you liked Howard better than Rudd, Rudd better than Howard.
> So
> you wear yellow underpants on Thursdays.  I personally don't give a
> sh*t.
> 
> Can we save it for some other forum designed for that stuff?  My Inbox
> would
> appreciate it immensely.
> 
> P.S.  If there is some way to not receive all the posts that are [OT]
> or
> [NF], someone let me in on the secret please?
> 
> P.P.S And now that I've gone and declared how I feel... will you still
> help
> me with FoxPro when I need it?  :-)
> 
> - Tina
> 
> - Original Message 

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> I was salivating to see what Big Bob would say to Obamas Nobel prize!

Salivating? "Big Bob"?

You need help.

> it
> was a bit if a disappointment. I expected 2000 words or vitriol. maybe
> even
> Bob is getting the idea that Obama is a breath of fresh air in a stale
> nation.

When the drugs wear off, you may want to read what I wrote. I've trimmed
down on the word count, but any impression that I was on any level inspired
by the Nobel going to Obama illustrates that you tend to see things
precisely as they are not. I'm actually impressed---I've not met anyone with
such an instinct for un-reality.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00e601ca495e$b3bc5c60$1b3515...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

Where is Kayne West to point out who SHOULD have won, when you really need
him?

;)

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Nicholas Geti
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:13 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today
> 
> Excellent point. Bush is held in high regard by all of the people he
> has
> benefited in Africa on the subject of AIDS. The U.S. has put billions
> of
> dollars into fighting AIDS in Africa. The first bill by Bush was for
> $15B
> and Congress has approved more since then.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Madigan" 
> To: "ProFox Email List" 
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today
> 
> 
> I guess all the billions Bush appropriated to the HIV-carrying savages
> in
> Africa didn't get a mention, did it?
> 
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00d001ca48fe$fbe7dc90$f3b795...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> 
> RT @codinghorror: World bestows surprise Nobel Peace Prize upon Obama.
> THAT is how f'ing sick of Bush they were. Wow.
> 
> That is the point you fail to understand.  Our prior President put our
> country in a terrible light from a worldwide POV.

No, this is what you don't understand. It was from the POV of the socialist
cranks who run the Nobel Prize committee deciding these things, not "the
world". 

So, seriously, he deserved this more than Gandhi, who was nominated 5 times
but never got it?

The idea that an award should be given to someone completely undeserving in
order to make a political point about this or that country's prior president
is, or in any event ought to be, self-evidently wrong.

> 
> Had he focused on bin Laden and not gotten distracted with Iraq that
> light might be nicer today.
> 

I used to think you're non-linear thinking style masked a kind of subtle
genius. Now I know you're just incapable of ratiocination.

- Bob


--
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00ba01ca48ee$a081d500$e1857f...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

> If you took off your klux hood you might see past your tunnel vision.
> Just a thought.

Quick, send an email to Jennifer Loven at the AP:



I'm sure she also doesn't know she's a kluxer.

- Bob

> 
> Maybe he was awarded the prize for wanting to have a GOAL in mind
> before dedicating troops to another country.
> 
> Believe or not the rest of the world has not liked our shoot from the
> hip attitude where we become the fool after we conquer we have no
> friging idea how to do the next phase.
> 
> Or maybe they just put a bunch of names in a container and blow it up
> with dynamite and the name they find first is the winner?  Did Noble
> get gredit for the song "Boom Boom Out go the lights"?
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00af01ca48e6$7bd0cd40$737267...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

This may be the single most undeserved award in the history of Western
civilization. The nomination deadline for the award was a mere 2 weeks into
his presidency.

What a sham, all the way around... The Nobel Peace prize has been a joke
since Arafat won, but at least Arafat sent teenage suicide bombers in to
kill hundreds of Jews. At least Carter brought stagflation and allowed the
Mullahs to take over in Iran. At least Al Gore made a movie.

Obama has done, to quote SNL, Jack and Squat. 

- Bob

p.s. Perhaps coincidentally, the $1.5 mil. check that comes with the award
should just about cover what he's spent so far in legal fees protecting his
long-form birth certificate from scrutiny.

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:12 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today
> 
> http://bit.ly/2wf4J
> 
> - - -
> Rather than recognizing concrete achievement, the 2009 prize appeared
> intended to support initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing
> the
> world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim
> nations
> and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
> 
> ...
> 
> "We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader
> of
> the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and
> the
> eradication of poverty," the foundation said.
> - - -
> 
> Gag me. They should rename this the "Leftist Propaganda Prize" because
> that
> is exactly what it's been reduced to by this kind of shameless
> political
> back scratching.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00ae01ca48e3$ce582660$6b0873...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Advisor of nobel-winning POTUS praises shari'a law

[Bob Calco]

http://is.gd/46I4D

- - -
Miss Mogahed, appointed to the President's Council on Faith-Based and
Neighbourhood Partnerships, said the Western view of Sharia was
"oversimplified" and the majority of women around the world associate it
with "gender justice".

The White House adviser made the remarks on a London-based TV discussion
programme hosted by Ibtihal Bsis, a member of the extremist Hizb ut Tahrir
party. .

During the 45-minute discussion, on the Islam Channel programme Muslimah
Dilemma earlier this week, the two members of the group made repeated
attacks on secular "man-made law" and the West's "lethal cocktail of liberty
and capitalism".

They called for Sharia Law to be "the source of legislation" and said that
women should not be "permitted to hold a position of leadership in
government".
- - -

Shari'a == "Gender Justice." 

H. Well, at least we know the real reason he won the award. They just
get all giddy in Norway anytime someone says something as hip and
progressive as the "lethal cocktail of liberty and capitalism" 

I'm so glad Obama is "easing America's tensions" with the 13th century!

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00ad01ca48e0$dc333ca0$9499b5...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What's the difference between Hitler and Obama?

[Bob Calco]

> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Adam Buckland
>  wrote:
> > Hitler didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize
> 
> That's a minor detail.

If a murderer like Arafat, or an ass-clown like Carter, or a snake-oil
salesman like Gore, or a
haven't-done-anything-yet-but-my-don't-you-love-my-teleprompter pretender
like Obama can get it, a guy like Hitler could have gotten it. 

Except that once upon a time, the Nobel Prize Committee had standards
besides a leftist political pedigree (which by the way Hitler definitely
had... being a nationalist SOCIALIST).

It's so obviously and unashamedly political now, it ought to be
embarrassing. 

- Bob

> A+
> jml
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a601ca48d5$ba1913c0$2e4b3b...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

Incidentally I'll add that this fits the mold of his life: awarded and
promoted constantly for what he either hasn't done, or hasn't done yet.

The revelation that Bill Ayers was the ghost writer of his memoirs was
probably the clincher. That, or the fact that the number of dead US soldiers
in Afghanistan has been skyrocketing under his "leadership" as he ponders
sending more of them to rape and burn innocent Afghan villages, and that
Iran is guaranteed to develop the nuclear bomb under his "diplomacy"...
Consolation prize for the Olympic debacle, I guess...keeping it all about
The O.

Peace prize indeed.

What. A. Joke.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:12 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today
> 
> http://bit.ly/2wf4J
> 
> - - -
> Rather than recognizing concrete achievement, the 2009 prize appeared
> intended to support initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing
> the
> world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim
> nations
> and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
> 
> ...
> 
> "We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader
> of
> the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and
> the
> eradication of poverty," the foundation said.
> - - -
> 
> Gag me. They should rename this the "Leftist Propaganda Prize" because
> that
> is exactly what it's been reduced to by this kind of shameless
> political
> back scratching.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a501ca48d4$469b4d10$d3d1e7...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] What Obama Found in his Cracker Jack Box Today

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/2wf4J

- - -
Rather than recognizing concrete achievement, the 2009 prize appeared
intended to support initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the
world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations
and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change. 

...

"We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader of
the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and the
eradication of poverty," the foundation said.
- - -

Gag me. They should rename this the "Leftist Propaganda Prize" because that
is exactly what it's been reduced to by this kind of shameless political
back scratching.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a401ca48d1$56901b90$03b052...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] What do yo mean the church gets in the way?

[Bob Calco]

> > Every Protestant Church has the Eucharist as well. With a lot less
> > superstition, I dare say.
> > --
> 
> LOL Superstition.
> 
> It is the living Lord in your presence.  Not sure that you can kick it
> up much higher then that.

The doctrine of "transubstantiation" is one of many in Catechism that are
simply not tenable in Scripture (the eternal virginity of Mary being the
other, directly refuted in the gospels), and causes non-believers to stumble
big time.

The idea that you're only in the presence of the Lord when you eat a piece
of his actual flesh transformed by a ritual of some priest from a piece of
bread is utterly foreign to what Jesus says, and to the tradition from which
the symbolism he employed taught. He says nothing more than "Do this in
memory of me" -- this being a very symbolic breaking of bread and drinking
of wine in memory of his sacrifice, which has deep and profound symbolic
roots in the Tanach, related mainly to the Passover.

On the other hand, I give Catholicism credit for using real wine, at least,
and encouraging frequent fellowship around the Lord's supper. My Baptist
friends still insist he used Welsh's Grape Juice and crackers and don't do
it enough IMHO... in Acts it talks about them doing it all the time. In my
church if we do it once a quarter it's a lot. So much for sola scriptura...
;)

As to the original post about sex and sexuality.. there is no question Satan
has cleverly used a Spirit of Religiosity in the Church during and since the
Dark Ages (which were a kind of heyday for him, not unlike the period we'll
be entering soon, and are already in) to invent twisted doctrines about
godly sex and sexuality (among other things), from which modernity suffers,
both from the doctrines themselves and the counter-reactions to them, which
are just as twisted and perverted. All this of course and as usual IMHO. :)

- Bob

> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001d01ca46d6$b4ec6f60$1ec54e...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Does Obama Have the Backbone?

[Bob Calco]

On Point 1 note last week it came out that a totally separate and quite
mainstream autobiographer Christopher Andersen unwittingly confirmed Jack
Cashill's thesis on this point. Now a conservative blogger bumps into Ayers
at Reagan National yesterday, and lived to talk about his apparent
frustration at getting no credit for being the author of Dreams:

http://bit.ly/bAE5D

Point 5 is the most disturbing of all because the media COULD have vetted
this guy, MUST have known the truth about him, yet they went headlong in the
tank for him, and now can't seem to figure out why he's not what they
advertised.

That's messed up no matter how you slice it.

- Bob


> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:11 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Does Obama Have the Backbone?
> 
> He's a complete fabrication
> 
> 1.  Dreams of my Father was written by Bill Ayers
> 
> 2.  His autobiography is filled with lies and hyperbole about being
> this hotshot, accomplished lawyer.
> 
> 3.  He refuses to release his college transcripts because his grades
> were extremely low
> 
> 4.  He refuses to release his birth certificate for some reason,
> whether he has a different father or he wasn't born in the US.
> 
> 5.  He refuses to release his medical records, probably because of drug
> addiction.
> 
> 
> This guy isn't who he says he is or who he's lead other people to
> believe hie is.
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Bob Calco  wrote:
> 
> > From: Bob Calco 
> > Subject: [OT] Does Obama Have the Backbone?
> > To: "'ProFox Email List'" 
> > Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 6:03 PM
> > http://bit.ly/3kGmZF
> >
> > - - -
> > Barack Obama's trip to Copenhagen to pitch Chicago for the
> > Olympics would
> > have been a dumb move whatever the outcome. But as it
> > turned out (an airy
> > dismissal would not be an unfair description), it poses
> > some questions about
> > his presidency that are way more important than the proper
> > venue for
> > synchronized swimming. The first, and to my mind most
> > important, is whether
> > Obama knows who he is.
> >
> > This business of self-knowledge is no minor issue. It bears
> > greatly on the
> > single most crucial issue facing this young and untested
> > president:
> > Afghanistan. Already, we have his choice for Afghanistan
> > commander, Gen.
> > Stanley A. McChrystal, taking the measure of his commander
> > in chief and
> > publicly telling him what to do. This MacArthuresque star
> > turn called for a
> > Trumanesque response, but Obama offered nothing of the
> > kind. Instead, he
> > used McChrystal as a prop, adding a bit of four-star
> > gravitas to that silly
> > trip to Copenhagen by having the general meet with him
> > there.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > But the ultimate in realism is for the president to gauge
> > himself and who he
> > is: Does he have the stomach and commitment for what is
> > likely to continue
> > to be an unpopular war? Will he send additional troops, but
> > hedge by not
> > sending enough -- so that the dying will be in vain? What
> > does he believe,
> > and will he ask Americans to die for it? Only he knows the
> > answers to these
> > questions. But based on his zigzagging so far and the
> > suggestion from the
> > Copenhagen trip that the somber seriousness of the
> > presidency has yet to
> > sink in, we have reason to wonder.
> > - - -
> >
> > Wow! From Richard Cohen of the Washington ComPost no
> > less!
> >
> > I'll answer his initial question though. Obama does NOT
> > know who he is. Or
> > at least, he doesn't want anyone to know who he really is,
> > if he does.
> >
> > The man is a psychological basket case, owing mainly to his
> > mother's curious
> > ways, utterly unprepared for the pressures of the office,
> > and frankly, a
> > clear and present danger to our republic and Western
> > civilization, mainly
> > because of the office he managed to obtain by much
> > deception and dishonesty.
> >
> > - Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001c01ca46d3$b9d63ef0$2d82bc...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Does Obama Have the Backbone?

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/3kGmZF

- - -
Barack Obama's trip to Copenhagen to pitch Chicago for the Olympics would
have been a dumb move whatever the outcome. But as it turned out (an airy
dismissal would not be an unfair description), it poses some questions about
his presidency that are way more important than the proper venue for
synchronized swimming. The first, and to my mind most important, is whether
Obama knows who he is.

This business of self-knowledge is no minor issue. It bears greatly on the
single most crucial issue facing this young and untested president:
Afghanistan. Already, we have his choice for Afghanistan commander, Gen.
Stanley A. McChrystal, taking the measure of his commander in chief and
publicly telling him what to do. This MacArthuresque star turn called for a
Trumanesque response, but Obama offered nothing of the kind. Instead, he
used McChrystal as a prop, adding a bit of four-star gravitas to that silly
trip to Copenhagen by having the general meet with him there. 

...

But the ultimate in realism is for the president to gauge himself and who he
is: Does he have the stomach and commitment for what is likely to continue
to be an unpopular war? Will he send additional troops, but hedge by not
sending enough -- so that the dying will be in vain? What does he believe,
and will he ask Americans to die for it? Only he knows the answers to these
questions. But based on his zigzagging so far and the suggestion from the
Copenhagen trip that the somber seriousness of the presidency has yet to
sink in, we have reason to wonder. 
- - -

Wow! From Richard Cohen of the Washington ComPost no less!

I'll answer his initial question though. Obama does NOT know who he is. Or
at least, he doesn't want anyone to know who he really is, if he does.

The man is a psychological basket case, owing mainly to his mother's curious
ways, utterly unprepared for the pressures of the office, and frankly, a
clear and present danger to our republic and Western civilization, mainly
because of the office he managed to obtain by much deception and dishonesty.

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000f01ca46d0$d899f230$89cdd6...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

Oh, and now he's blaming his own chosen White House counsel Greg Craig for
foobarring the Gitmo pledge:

<http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27940.html>

- - -
But most of all Obama’s aides mistook that political consensus from the
campaign trail for a deep commitment in Washington to do whatever it takes
to close the prison. 

“The administration came in reading there to be wide support for closing
Guantanamo at home and abroad, and I think it misread that attitude,” said
Matthew Waxman, a Columbia law professor who held Defense and State
Department positions on detainee policy. “In general, they were right….but
there was very little willingness to accept the costs and risks of getting
it done.” 

The White House declined to make Craig available for an interview, or
discuss the Gitmo deliberations in detail, but several allies and even some
critics scoffed at suggestions that Craig bears the main responsibility for
the missteps. 

“This clearly was a decision that had the full support of the entire
national security team,” said Ken Gude, who tracks Guantanamo issues for the
liberal Center for American Progress think tank. “It’s typical Washington
that someone has their head on the chopping block, but it’s ridiculous that
it’s Craig."
- - -

Obama, who has never run anything in his life except his mouth with the aid
of a teleprompter, is as ideologically far left as advertised, but in a
bittersweet twist of fate, embarrassingly incompetent. It turns out
experience does matter. So does character.

It took Katrina and Harriet Miers to make a dent in support for Bush among
his base. Obama's is already turning on him (see SNL skit Pete posted),
because, in addition to having an inflated view of himself, he actually
doesn't know the first thing about leading, or about diplomacy. 

After awhile the constant awkward apologies to rogue dictators and
obligatory references to "the last several years" as a kind of excuse for
his own naiveté wear thin.

Talk about hype meeting up with reality.

Is it 2010 yet?

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 7:20 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling
> 
> >
> > have you ever asked why the world hates america? and i dont mean your
> > traditional enemies but your traditional allies? when you can answer
> > that
> > you might have a clue what Obama is trying to do.
> 
> 1. I don't accept the premise. Some people hate us, some love us, some
> are
> indifferent. The idea that "the world" hates us was pimped by leftists
> during George Bush's presidency. It was a lie repeated so often it
> became
> true, during a time when France and Germany happened to be governed by
> leftist jackasses with financial interests in Iraq. Interestingly,
> France
> and Germany hated George Bush so much, they threw out the leftist bums
> and
> elected conservatives while Bush was still in office. So it's no more
> true
> that "the world" hates George Bush and "loves" Obama than that "the
> world"
> hates Obama and "loved" George Bush. Where is all that nuance you love
> to
> talk about on every other subject?
> 
> 2. It's obvious after nine months that other than having a very strong
> preference for hiring lunatics with stellar socialist/communist resumes
> to
> his administration and expanding the power of the executive well beyond
> Constitutional limits, Obama himself doesn't have a clue what he's
> trying to
> do. He's like a dog chasing a car, wouldn't know what to do with it if
> he
> caught it. Look at the health care bill. Oh, wait, there are three or
> four
> of them floating around, none of them by Obama. Look at Afghanistan,
> the war
> we "had to win" -- now he isn't really looking for "victory," is
> dithering
> on an urgent troop request, and may pull out altogether. Or may not.
> What a
> leader!
> 
> http://bit.ly/3X9svv
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00bf01ca4689$732ea0e0$598be2...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

> 
> have you ever asked why the world hates america? and i dont mean your
> traditional enemies but your traditional allies? when you can answer
> that
> you might have a clue what Obama is trying to do.

1. I don't accept the premise. Some people hate us, some love us, some are
indifferent. The idea that "the world" hates us was pimped by leftists
during George Bush's presidency. It was a lie repeated so often it became
true, during a time when France and Germany happened to be governed by
leftist jackasses with financial interests in Iraq. Interestingly, France
and Germany hated George Bush so much, they threw out the leftist bums and
elected conservatives while Bush was still in office. So it's no more true
that "the world" hates George Bush and "loves" Obama than that "the world"
hates Obama and "loved" George Bush. Where is all that nuance you love to
talk about on every other subject?

2. It's obvious after nine months that other than having a very strong
preference for hiring lunatics with stellar socialist/communist resumes to
his administration and expanding the power of the executive well beyond
Constitutional limits, Obama himself doesn't have a clue what he's trying to
do. He's like a dog chasing a car, wouldn't know what to do with it if he
caught it. Look at the health care bill. Oh, wait, there are three or four
of them floating around, none of them by Obama. Look at Afghanistan, the war
we "had to win" -- now he isn't really looking for "victory," is dithering
on an urgent troop request, and may pull out altogether. Or may not. What a
leader! 

http://bit.ly/3X9svv

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a901ca4676$e8004ee0$b800ec...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

> 
> <- He's wrecking relations with our allies>
> 
> speaking as one of your 'allies' I might point out the very opposite.
> GWB was one who alienated many of your allies whereas Obama has done
> the reverse. and what you call ' dangerous relations with our enemies'
> is actually no more than actually having a foreign policy based on more
> than arrogance and military posturing. sooner or later you americans
> are going to have to realise you need to negotiate and talk with the
> rest of the world rather than just threaten and patronise. GWB didnt
> understand that. Obama does. But apparently YOU do not.

This kind of prattle was excusable before the man ever stepped foot in the Oval 
Office, as the hypothetical wish-casting of a love-dazed groupie. 

But now that we have had nine months of his deficit-exploding, military 
morale-eroding, tyrant apology-groveling, diplomacy reset-fumbling, industry 
bank-robbing, Olympic (if not epic) persuasion-failing "leadership," it's proof 
that the last two or three lobotomies have not been successful. 

You may want to try another asylum, Geoff... the one you're at now is making 
your condition worse.

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009001ca461e$3464b9a0$9d2e2c...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

I don't support any effort at anything less than a faithful translation of
Scripture from the original language, conveying as much of the original
poetry, meaning and idioms of the native tongue.

I learned Greek so I could understand the New Testament (though I'm sure one
day we'll find the Hebrew originals), and I'm learning Hebrew so I can read
the original Tanach. I don't trust any translations .. many of them do
indeed slip translator's biases (most of them cultural not political) into
the translation.

Truth be told, neither capitalism nor socialism/communism are "endorsed" by
Scripture.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Helio Wakasugui
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:45 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling
> 
> Dementia the-bible.html>
> 
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Geoff  wrote:
> 
> > you are a joke Bob.
> 
> 
> --
> "Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more
> likely
> to be honest than a clever man."
> Bertrand Russell
> 
> 
> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> multipart/alternative
>   text/plain (text body -- kept)
>   text/html
> ---
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008f01ca461b$a827c380$f8774a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] is this what Bob and Michael think about at bed time?

[Bob Calco]

I wish I could un-see what I just saw.

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Stephen Russell
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:48 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] is this what Bob and Michael think about at bed time?
> 
> 
> 
> Bad Steve!
> 
> --
> Stephen Russell
> Sr. Production Systems Programmer
> SQL Server DBA
> Web and Winform Development
> Independent Contractor
> Memphis TN
> 
> 901.246-0159
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008e01ca4612$4cced720$e66c85...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

 
> you are a joke Bob. I don't think I've ever read more one-eyed or
> bigoted political commentary in my life. He could repair Americas
> international relationships, revive the economy and bring peace to the
> Middle East and you would still find massive fault in all of them.

Points of Fact:

- He's wrecking relations with our allies

- He's forging dangerous relations with our enemies

- He's making Bush's deficit spending spree look like a kind of tight-wad 
fiscal asceticism, mostly to fill the coffers of the unions and activist groups 
that got him elected

- He's seizing a frightening amount of executive power and not demonstrated 
basic competence in any area he's inserted himself, besides campaigning, and 
even that competence isn't proving as useful for governing as he thought

- His speeches are case studies in narcissistic personality disorder

- He's allowing Iran to become a nuclear power and pushing Israel into a corner 
where they feel existentially threatened and otherwise friendless

I'm not terribly worried about your hypothetical scenario. You're impervious to 
proof and demonstration, so I don't expect you to understand why.

> It
> probably didn't occur to you that you didn't win the Olympics becsaue
> A) you get them often enough as it is and B) you dont really run that
> good a show when you do. Just a thought.
> 

I must say, I really didn't care about the Olympic deal UNTIL I heard the pitch 
he and Michelle Obama made at the IOC, which shocked even me. I didn't expect 
their pitch to be as bad as it really, demonstrably was, or as self-serving in 
its composition; it was embarrassing actually. I think the scale of the 
blow-out was indicative that "the world" doesn't think anywhere nearly as 
highly of him as you fantasize or his propagandists pretend. That part was 
actually oddly reassuring.

- Bob



> http://bit.ly/wKw1O
> 
> - - -
> Of course Barack and Michelle Obama failed in Copenhagen.  Their
> strategy could not possibly succeed.  In their academic arrogance, they
> thought they could sell a product they clearly do not believe in (the
> United States) and moreover, they could do so by stressing the benefits
> to the seller (Chicago) and not the buyer (the IOC).  And to top it
> off, they committed the faux pas of talking too much about the sales
> force (themselves) and not about the product or the buyer.
> 
> Gee, what could possibly go wrong?
> 
> ...
> 
> He and the First Lady did not even pretend to be proud of us.  They
> went on an unseemly, surreal begging campaign that mixed in
> uncomfortable bits and pieces of their personal histories with
> platitudes about what the Olympic Games could do for the children of
> Chicago.  Oh, BTW, the Obama family would personally find it kind of a
> cool thing for the neighborhood.
> 
> So ask not what our country can do for your Olympics -- ask what your
> Olympics can do for our city. Heck, that was the First Lady's closing
> argument:
> 
> "Chicago's vision for the Olympic and Paralympic Movement is about so
> more than
what we can offer the Games -- it's about what the Games can
> offer all of us."
> 
> That was how she ended her speech.  That was her "please sign here"
> moment.  For the record, her talk mentioned NOTHING about what we could
> offer the games. Not a word.  No wonder they didn't sign on the dotted
> line.
> 
> ...
> 
> When you consider these words in light of what Obama said about the
> United States last week at the U.N and the G20, it is clear to see that
> this is a man who really does think history started when he was born
> and America's greatness started when he was elected. These thoughts
> dominate any sober analysis of the written words of his speeches.
> 
> While our own Jurassic media is totally under his spell, the IOC and
> the much of the rest of the world media is not.  They saw the
> Copenhagen sales pitch and rejected it out of hand.  It came in fourth
> place out of four.
> 
> There is analysis out of the D.C.-Manhattan corridor already that the
> racists in the United States and the Republicans and talk radio and Fox
> News and the right leaning blogosphere are to blame for the Denmark
> disaster.  They are not.
> 
> Neither is George Bush or Dick Cheney or even Donald Rumsfeld.
> - - -
> 
> Spot. On.
> 
> Dude is a one-termer, if he doesn't get impeached for some inevitable
> (if not already perpetrated) crime related to his massive overreaching
> by then.
> 
> It's really too bad so few people cared enough to consider the
> legitimate character issues that were hidden in plain sight during The
> One's storied rise to power. We're going to pay dearly for it over the
> next four years.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archiv

[OT] Obamas Violated First 3 Rules of Selling

[Bob Calco]

http://bit.ly/wKw1O

- - -
Of course Barack and Michelle Obama failed in Copenhagen.  Their strategy could 
not possibly succeed.  In their academic arrogance, they thought they could 
sell a product they clearly do not believe in (the United States) and moreover, 
they could do so by stressing the benefits to the seller (Chicago) and not the 
buyer (the IOC).  And to top it off, they committed the faux pas of talking too 
much about the sales force (themselves) and not about the product or the buyer. 

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

...

He and the First Lady did not even pretend to be proud of us.  They went on an 
unseemly, surreal begging campaign that mixed in uncomfortable bits and pieces 
of their personal histories with platitudes about what the Olympic Games could 
do for the children of Chicago.  Oh, BTW, the Obama family would personally 
find it kind of a cool thing for the neighborhood.

So ask not what our country can do for your Olympics -- ask what your Olympics 
can do for our city. Heck, that was the First Lady's closing argument:

"Chicago's vision for the Olympic and Paralympic Movement is about so more than

what we can offer the Games -- it's about what the Games can offer all of us."

That was how she ended her speech.  That was her "please sign here" moment.  
For the record, her talk mentioned NOTHING about what we could offer the games. 
Not a word.  No wonder they didn't sign on the dotted line.

...

When you consider these words in light of what Obama said about the United 
States last week at the U.N and the G20, it is clear to see that this is a man 
who really does think history started when he was born and America's greatness 
started when he was elected. These thoughts dominate any sober analysis of the 
written words of his speeches. 

While our own Jurassic media is totally under his spell, the IOC and the much 
of the rest of the world media is not.  They saw the Copenhagen sales pitch and 
rejected it out of hand.  It came in fourth place out of four. 

There is analysis out of the D.C.-Manhattan corridor already that the racists 
in the United States and the Republicans and talk radio and Fox News and the 
right leaning blogosphere are to blame for the Denmark disaster.  They are not. 

Neither is George Bush or Dick Cheney or even Donald Rumsfeld. 
- - -

Spot. On.

Dude is a one-termer, if he doesn't get impeached for some inevitable (if not 
already perpetrated) crime related to his massive overreaching by then. 

It's really too bad so few people cared enough to consider the legitimate 
character issues that were hidden in plain sight during The One's storied rise 
to power. We're going to pay dearly for it over the next four years. 

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/000601ca4535$321d6190$965824...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> where is
> > the Joke Czar when you need one?
> >
> Let's see if I can explain such a subtle concept if you tell a
> French man that all French are cowards and collaborated with the Nazis,
> he's not going to laugh.

No, he's going to surrender.

> 
> He may laugh if you in the same line make a similar (in viciousness)
> comment about your own country, and only if he's got a HUGE sense of
> humour.
> 
> Is it too complicated? Should I try to simplify the concept for you to
> grasp it?

You're too funny.

- Bob

> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a401ca438f$5b13f7a0$113be6...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> 
> What about France, Spain and Belgium? In the originating post?
> 

I didn't send the original post. But I did think it was funny. Even Geoff
liked it. 

I didn't realize you were such a sensitive guy.

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a301ca438f$40b2bb80$c21832...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round

[Bob Calco]

Drudge headline says it all:

THE EGO HAS LANDED

Just to give you a glimpse of what a narcissist Obama is, here are clips
from his speech to the IOC:

- - -
"No one expects the Games to solve our collective challenges. But we do
believe that in a world where we have too often witnessed the darker aspects
of our humanity, peaceful competition between nations represents what is
best about our humanity. It brings us together, if only for a few weeks,
face to face. It helps us understand one another just a little better. It
reminds us that no matter how or where we differ, we all seek our own
measure of happiness, and fulfillment, and pride in what we do. And that is
a very powerful starting point for progress.

"Nearly one year ago, on a clear November night, people from every corner of
the world gathered in the city of Chicago or in front of their televisions
to watch the results of the U.S. Presidential election. Their interest
wasn't about me as an individual. Rather, it was rooted in the belief that
America's experiment in democracy still speaks to a set of universal
aspirations and ideals. It sprung from the hope that in this ever-shrinking
world, our diversity could be a source of strength and cause for
celebration; and that with sustained work and determination, we could learn
to live and prosper together during the fleeting moment we share on this
Earth."
- - -

Translation:

Why pick Chicago? Because America picked ME. ME ME ME ME ME ME.

I am the HOPE you've been waiting for. So, pick Chicago, please.

If that's not bad enough, get a load of this Q&A response:

- - -
Responding to a question by Syed Shahid Ali, the IOC member for Pakistan,
about the "pretty harrowing experience" of many foreign visitors to the US,
he said: "One of the legacies I want to see coming out of 2016 is a reminder
that America, at its best, is open to the world. We are putting the full
force of the White house and the State Department into making sure that not
only is this a successful Games but that visitors from all around the world
feel welcome and will come away with a sense of the incredible diversity of
the American people.".

"We've got everyone. This could be a meeting in Chicago, because we look
like the world. Over the last several years sometimes that fundamental truth
about the United States has been lost," he said.

"One of the legacies of this Olympic Games would be the restoration of that
understanding of what the United States is all about and a recognition of
how we are linked to the world."
- - -

Now, this is classic, and the irony is thicker than even Ricardo's cranium.

So, a dude from PAKISTAN asks the President why America's gotten so
difficult for foreigners lately. And The One's answer?

What new?

George Bush. (We all know "the last several years" is has become his thinly
code-word for "George Bush's fault", he uses it all the damn time, almost
like Mark Twain would use an apostrophe.)

What a yutz. I'm glad he didn't get what he wanted; he badly needs an ego
smack down. I'm sad for the country though. Whatever were we thinking on
that "clear November night"?!

- Bob

> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm
> 
> Welcome Back, Carter!
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a201ca437a$31c8ba30$955a2e...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Chicago Eliminated in First Round

[Bob Calco]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympic_games/8283061.stm

Welcome Back, Carter!

- Bob



___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/00a101ca4376$6709ae10$351d0a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> 
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Bob Calco 
> wrote:
> > Gosh, you're smart. You figure things out so fast!
> 
> Are you bothered ?

Not at all! Pretty chipper today, actually.

That's at least two or three posts in a row without a yawn. Glad to see
you're feeling better.

- Bob
> 
> A+
> jml
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009d01ca4349$7443bb70$5ccb32...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Czar Opportunities

[Bob Calco]

OK, rather than criticize Obama all the time, I'm going to do my patriotic
duty and suggest in all earnestness some more Czar positions our Dear Leader
should consider, and candidates for those positions.

Joke Czar 
-
David Letterman - Boned his staff, exposed to extortion racket. Clear
favorite.
Al Franken - Even though he isn't funny, it'd be great to get him out of the
Senate before his ties to ACORN and the voter fraud that gave him his slim
victory are exposed.

Teen Pregnancy Czar
---
Roman Polanski - Hands down (legs up) favorite. He knows the difference
between safe sex and rape-rape (Source: Whoopi Goldberg).

Obesity Czar

Michael Moore - Capitalism may have done nothing for him, but those Twinkies
sure have. Added bonus, he's an avowed Socialist, almost as upfront about it
as Van Jones.

Botox Czar
---
John Kerry - Did you know he served in Viet Nam? Another one whose talents
are wasted in the Senate.

Ass Snarfing Czar
--
Chuck Schumer - A classic example of the candidate defining the position.

Presidential Back Rub Czar
--
Barbara Streisand - Clearly qualified. Or in any case, eager.
Oprah Winfrey - Early favorite. She coined the term "The One" first.
Chris Matthews - That tingle in his leg emits an electric charge through his
fingertips that are probably therapeutic, if you're into that kind of thing.

Media Accuracy Czar

Dan Rather - "Fake but accurate" is clearly a standard he defined, and it's
been adopted by all the so-called "mainstream" news outlets. Who better to
defend Obama's bogus online "Certification of Live Birth"?

FOX News Watchdog Czar
--
Ed Schultz - We need somebody objective to counter all the CRAZY stuff Beck
is saying. Ed's demonstrated this by famously pointing out on his MSNBC show
that all Republicans want people to die of cancer. 

Olympic Czar

AHnold Schwartzennegger - Need another token Republican-in-name-only (RINO),
and his handling of the California budget shows he's clearly the kind of
person Mayor Daley would love to keep track of expenses for the Olympic
games.

Celebrity Book Czar

Bill Ayers - Without whom "Dreams" would have never been published. Somebody
needs to fact-check "Going Rogue" before it hits the shelves.

Religion Czar
--
Jeremiah Wright - His commitment to the "Black Liberation Theology" of James
Cone and anti-Semitism are just what this nation needs to heal across the
religious divide. 

Bill Maher - He hates religion and loves to mock people who believe in God,
but otherwise he's perfectly qualified and fits in ideologically with the
rest of "Team Obama".

Mortgage Loan Czar

Wade Rathke - Founded ACORN, and will need a job soon. His group was very
active in this area.
Barney Frank - Who better to fix the current mess than one of its primary
architects in the House?
Franklin Raines - As head of Fannie Mae during the mortgage debacle, he has
the same basic qualification as Barney Frank, except he's smarter, and gave
lots of $$$ to The One's campaign.

Military Morale Czar
-
Dick Durbin - Famously compared our troops to Nazis and murderers. Why not?
Harry Reid - Also will need a new job soon. Famously advised General
Petraeus that the Iraq war is hopelessly lost, even as the surge was
substantially improving conditions on the ground.

Bipartisanship Czar

This one should be a triumvirate: John McCain, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins.

Arlen Specter was in the running until he came out of the closet. 

 those are just off the top of my head ideas welcome... ;)

- Bob 


> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 5:26 AM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] Czar Opportunities -- was: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat
> Levels
> 
> >
> > > Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> > > where is
> > > the Joke Czar when you need one?
> >
> > Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about
> > Roman
> > Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in
> with
> > the
> > rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he
> has
> > great
> > character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him.
> 
> Actually, now that it has been revealed that Letterman was boning his
> staff
> and exposed himself thereby to an extortion racket, he clearly has a
> better
> resume than Polanski for the Joke Czar position. And sometimes, he's
> even

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

Gosh, you're smart. You figure things out so fast!

- Bob

> 
> as if to prove the point...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 5:29 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> where is
> the Joke Czar when you need one?
> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Geoff
> > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> >
> > only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless
> > political posturing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Ricardo Aráoz
> > Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> >
> > Bob Calco wrote:
> > > Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national
> > "moods."
> > > It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to
> > "Laughing
> > > At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our
> > Own
> > Body
> > > Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude."
> > Yup, we also have "Let's make NATO change their naval tactics" and
> > "Let's use a couple of Exocets". But you've probably never heard
> about
> > them.
> >
> > BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So
> > if
> > you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a
> > thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about
> > Argentina,
> > but the previous posts).
> >
> > >  There are
> > > complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another
> > but
> > > nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable
> > change of
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM
> > >> To: ProFox Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> > >>
> > >> Bob Calco wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to
> > >>>
> > >> "Covertly
> > >>
> > >>> Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-
> rattling,
> > >>>
> > >> and a
> > >>
> > >>> naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede
> > huge
> > >>>
> > >> swaths
> > >>
> > >>> of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> USA went from "I don't know why everybody hates us" to "fighting
> > >> Islamic
> > >> terrorism" to "let's bomb those towel heads" to "support our poor
> > boys
> > >> dying out there" to a final "Hey, the war is over there, they are
> > not
> > >> supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009b01ca4343$b1d1ffc0$1575ff...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

[OT] Czar Opportunities -- was: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> 
> > Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> > where is
> > the Joke Czar when you need one?
> 
> Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about
> Roman
> Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with
> the
> rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has
> great
> character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him.

Actually, now that it has been revealed that Letterman was boning his staff
and exposed himself thereby to an extortion racket, he clearly has a better
resume than Polanski for the Joke Czar position. And sometimes, he's even
funny.

A better position for Polanski, given the competitive landscape, might be
the Teen Pregnancy Czar. He clearly knows what needs to be done to deal to
solve THAT problem.

- Bob

> 
> I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS
> terrorist
> threat levels...
> 
> :)
> 
> - Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009a01ca4342$57c2fee0$0748fc...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> where is
> the Joke Czar when you need one?

Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman
Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the
rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great
character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him.

I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist
threat levels...

:)

- Bob





___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009601ca433a$ab8896a0$0299c3...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national
> "moods."
> > It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to
> "Laughing
> > At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our
> Own Body
> > Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude."
> Yup, we also have "Let's make NATO change their naval tactics" and
> "Let's use a couple of Exocets". But you've probably never heard about
> them.
> 
> BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So
> if
> you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a
> thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about
> Argentina,
> but the previous posts).

I wasn't insulting Russia's character, just answering Peter's question. ;)

Most Russians in the US would agree with my assessment anyway. You should
hear what Russians in Russia say about the US and our new Prez. Talk about
needing thick skin!

- Bob

> 
> >  There are
> > complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another
> but
> > nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable
> change of
> > behavior.
> >




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009501ca4339$19429030$4bc7b0...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

> Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh,
> where is
> the Joke Czar when you need one?

Come to think of which, somebody should call Valerie Jarrett about Roman
Polanski's availability to serve in the US soon. He'd fit right in with the
rest of the czars (especially the Safe Schools Czar) and I hear he has great
character references in Hollywood willing to vouch for him.

I only mention the czars in this context because the subject IS terrorist
threat levels...

:)

- Bob

> 
> - Bob
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Geoff
> > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM
> > To: 'ProFox Email List'
> > Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> >
> > only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless
> > political posturing.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Ricardo Aráoz
> > Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> >
> > Bob Calco wrote:
> > > Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national
> > "moods."
> > > It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to
> > "Laughing
> > > At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our
> > Own
> > Body
> > > Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude."
> > Yup, we also have "Let's make NATO change their naval tactics" and
> > "Let's use a couple of Exocets". But you've probably never heard
> about
> > them.
> >
> > BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So
> > if
> > you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a
> > thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about
> > Argentina,
> > but the previous posts).
> >
> > >  There are
> > > complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another
> > but
> > > nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable
> > change of
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > >
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com]
> On
> > >> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> > >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM
> > >> To: ProFox Email List
> > >> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> > >>
> > >> Bob Calco wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to
> > >>>
> > >> "Covertly
> > >>
> > >>> Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-
> rattling,
> > >>>
> > >> and a
> > >>
> > >>> naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede
> > huge
> > >>>
> > >> swaths
> > >>
> > >>> of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> USA went from "I don't know why everybody hates us" to "fighting
> > >> Islamic
> > >> terrorism" to "let's bomb those towel heads" to "support our poor
> > boys
> > >> dying out there" to a final "Hey, the war is over there, they are
> > not
> > >> supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!".
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/009401ca4338$9cc7f4a0$d657dd...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

Clearly, we need more regulation over who thinks what's funny. Oh, where is
the Joke Czar when you need one?

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Geoff
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 10:18 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> only Bob could take something very funny and turn it into pointless
> political posturing.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Friday, 2 October 2009 11:41 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national
> "moods."
> > It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to
> "Laughing
> > At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our
> Own
> Body
> > Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude."
> Yup, we also have "Let's make NATO change their naval tactics" and
> "Let's use a couple of Exocets". But you've probably never heard about
> them.
> 
> BTW, this is an international list (as opposed to a US only list). So
> if
> you are about to insult other nations' character you'd better have a
> thick skin dear (and I don't mean the harmless comments about
> Argentina,
> but the previous posts).
> 
> >  There are
> > complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another
> but
> > nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable
> change of
> > behavior.
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM
> >> To: ProFox Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> >>
> >> Bob Calco wrote:
> >>
> >>> Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to
> >>>
> >> "Covertly
> >>
> >>> Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling,
> >>>
> >> and a
> >>
> >>> naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede
> huge
> >>>
> >> swaths
> >>
> >>> of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."
> >>>
> >>>
> >> USA went from "I don't know why everybody hates us" to "fighting
> >> Islamic
> >> terrorism" to "let's bomb those towel heads" to "support our poor
> boys
> >> dying out there" to a final "Hey, the war is over there, they are
> not
> >> supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/008401ca4336$26d37e10$747a7a...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national "moods."
It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to "Laughing
At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our Own Body
Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude." There are
complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but
nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of
behavior.

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to
> "Covertly
> > Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling,
> and a
> > naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge
> swaths
> > of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."
> >
> USA went from "I don't know why everybody hates us" to "fighting
> Islamic
> terrorism" to "let's bomb those towel heads" to "support our poor boys
> dying out there" to a final "Hey, the war is over there, they are not
> supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!".
> 
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/007d01ca42fd$a521df20$ef659d...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

Argentina doesn't have "threat levels" per se but rather national "moods."
It recently changed its national mood from "Not Crying For You" to "Laughing
At Our Own Irrelevance." Other moods include "Preoccupied With Our Own Body
Functions," and "Making Up For Our Lack Of Wit By Being Rude." There are
complex rules governing valid transitions from one mood to another but
nobody understands them, and they don't result in any noticeable change of
behavior.

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Ricardo Aráoz
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:55 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to
> "Covertly
> > Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling,
> and a
> > naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge
> swaths
> > of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."
> >
> USA went from "I don't know why everybody hates us" to "fighting
> Islamic
> terrorism" to "let's bomb those towel heads" to "support our poor boys
> dying out there" to a final "Hey, the war is over there, they are not
> supposed to fight back and bring war to New York!".
> 
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/007c01ca42fd$78553690$68ffa3...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Chicago Olympic spirit

[Bob Calco]

The welfare state institutionalized the matriarchy by making it more or less
economically viable (at nearly barbaric, but sustainable, levels of
existence). It also undercut the socially useful male role of family
provider, supplanting men with "the state." Thus disincentivized, two
generations of black (and in some urban areas also white) men found outlet
for their normal (not socially useful) impulses in violence, drugs and
eventually our inner cities started to look a lot more like their
counterparts in places like Kenya or Rwanda than they do like anything in
our national history.

(Before you brand me some name, please DO watch the video of Barack's
relationship with Raila Odinga and tell me the riots there after Raila lost
the election aren't the same thing as we see in the Rodney King riots, or
the recent Chicago beating videos, only on a larger scale. It's not a race
thing, it's a "what happens when you disobey the laws of nature and nature's
god" thing.)

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:23 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Chicago Olympic spirit
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > Whew! Just in time for the closing arguments in Copenhagen!
> >
> > <http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/teen-attacked-in-
> edgewater.html>
> >
> > I hear Michelle O. had to fly in on a different jet liner because
> they
> > realized they couldn't get a rail tie aboard Air Force One without
> even the
> > MSNBC reporter noticing...
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Heck, that was no rail tie. Just an ordinary medium sized board. It
> isn't what you use, but how you use it that makes right or wrong.
> 
> That board would be morally good for a number of carpentry projects. If
> you hit someone on the head with it, however, he just might die.
> 
> Colored boys grow up without fathers and without male role models. They
> need a man to tell them not to hit their age-mates on the head with
> boards and how to use boards properly. But they haven't got that man.
> They are "raised" by women, "single mothers".
> 
> There were fifty colored boys in that video, and only four of them
> picked up boards to hit other boys. Most of them have sense and decency
> in spite of their lack of upbringing, a few don't.
> 
> This "single mom" upbringing happens because the colored people have a
> matriarchal society. That matriarchal society is a result of slavery,
> abolition, civil war, reconstruction and welfare (if you have a man in
> the house, no welfare check) - all of which divided the colored
> families. White people made the decisions that resulted in all of this,
> usually white democratic politicians, occasionally republicans.
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005601ca42c5$28004fa0$7800ee...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Chicago Olympic spirit

[Bob Calco]

Whew! Just in time for the closing arguments in Copenhagen!

<http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/10/teen-attacked-in-edgewater.html>

I hear Michelle O. had to fly in on a different jet liner because they
realized they couldn't get a rail tie aboard Air Force One without even the
MSNBC reporter noticing...

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Bob Calco
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:25 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: [OT] Chicago Olympic spirit
> 
> http://bit.ly/1OXOK7
> 
> - - -
> 
> I wonder if President Obama is going to show this to the committee in
> Copenhagen?
> 
> This should clinch it!
> 
> Community organizing has made Chicago a model of political progress for
> the
> rest of the world.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/004c01ca42ae$a20e7680$e62b63...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels

[Bob Calco]

Russia lowered its threat level from "Actively Support Iran" to "Covertly
Support Iran" in the face of ineffectual Western sanction-rattling, and a
naïve US President determined to disarm unilaterally and concede huge swaths
of Eastern Europe back to Russia's "sphere of influence."

- Bob

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Hart
> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:52 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> That was funny
> But.
> My wife wants to know why her country has been missed out.
> Any thoughts for Russia?.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Peter
> Peter Hart Computers
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Adam Buckland
> Sent: 01 October 2009 09:31
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: [OT] - Terrorist Threat Levels
> 
> The British are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist
> threats in Islamabad and have raised their security level from "Miffed"
> to "Peeved."
> 
> 
> 
> Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or
> even "A Bit Cross." Brits have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz
> in
> 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been
> re-categorized from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time
> the
> British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great
> fire of 1666.
> 
> 
> 
> The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror
> alert level from "Run" to "Hide". The only two higher levels in France
> are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a
> recent
> fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively
> paralysing
> the country's military capability.
> 
> 
> 
> It's not only the French who are on a heightened level of alert. Italy
> has increased the alert level from "Shout loudly and excitedly" to
> "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective
> Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."
> 
> 
> 
> The Germans also increased their alert state from "Disdainful
> Arrogance"
> to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Stirring Marching Songs.." They also have
> two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose".
> 
> 
> 
> Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual, and the only
> threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels .
> 
> 
> 
> The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to
> deploy.
> These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish
> navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.
> 
> 
> 
> Americans meanwhile are carrying out pre-emptive strikes, on all of
> their allies, just in case.
> 
> 
> 
> And at a local level...
> 
> 
> 
> New Zealand has also raised its security levels - from "baaa" to
> "B!". Due to continuing defence cutbacks (the airforce being a
> squadron of spotty teenagers flying paper aeroplanes and the navy some
> toy boats in the Prime Minister's bath), New Zealand only has one more
> level of escalation, which is "Shut, I hope Austrulia will come end
> riskue us".
> 
> 
> 
> In the event of invasion, New Zealanders will be asked to gather
> together in a strategic defensive position called "Bondi".
> 
> 
> 
> Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries"
> to
> "She'll be right, mate". Three more escalation levels remain,
> "Crikey!',
> "I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend" and "The barbie
> is cancelled". There has not been a situation yet that has warranted
> the
> use of the final escalation level.
> 
> 
> 
> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> multipart/alternative
>   text/plain (text body -- kept)
>   text/html
> ---
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/003901ca4291$989f5370$c9ddfa...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Literary Lion Obama will Roar No More

[Bob Calco]

> Scripture says that happens BEFORE the final battle, which you say has
> already happened. What's more, according to your timetable we have
> already risen from the grave, been judged, and are now in hell. LOL

Actually that's not what it says. It says anyone who professes NOT Christ
come in the flesh, he is an antichrist. This definition is not time-boxed by
prophecy.

> So I guess you'd have supported Mussolini against the Ethiopians on
> accounts of the italians being the more 'civilized' party. Same thing
> Nazis vs. gypsies, or africans? (the comparison is absolutely valid,
> considering Israel is a fascist country)

It was not intended to be a ringing endorsement, just an observation that
Israelis have a demonstrated democratic capability, whereas the Palestinians
think it's just to murder women and children at pizzarias using children
with bombs strapped to their bodies.

> Nope, Lucifer meaning 'carrier of light' (latin) or 'morning star'
> (hence the 'light' reference).

All this I know. So what?

> BTW, have you ever noticed Lucifer was an angel?

Yes, Ezekiel and Isaiah go into this in some depth. He was the most exalted
of all the angels God created. Some speculate he was the equivalent to a
"worship pastor" in heaven; but it went to his head, and he felt he deserved
the glory more than God. And convinced a third of the heavenly hosts to join
his rebellion.

> But AFAIK God granted free will to the human beings, not to the angels.
> So.. if he had no free will, how could he have rebelled? Or why
> would he be held accountable for it?

Maybe your assumption they don't have free will is incorrect? Clearly if he
rebelled either:

a.) He did so because that was part of God's plan (note, he needs permission
from God to get at Job);

b.) He has free will and chose to bring glory to himself.

Either way, whether ultimately on God's leash or actually free to oppose
God's will, he's not somebody from whom we should be seeking "light".

- Bob




___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/004301ca415c$60f64770$22e2d6...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Yes We Can!

[Bob Calco]

Oops sorry

http://bit.ly/P20mc

That should be it

> -Original Message-
> From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On
> Behalf Of Pete Theisen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Yes We Can!
> 
> Bob Calco wrote:
> > http://bit.ly/ijYwI
> 
> 
> > YET ANOTHER
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Nope. It is the same link you posted before. Not "another" at all.
> --
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
> http://pete-theisen.com/
> http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
> 
> 
[excessive quoting removed by server]

___
Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com
Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox
OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech
Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox
This message: 
http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002701ca4125$e67bf840$b373e8...@rr.com
** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the 
author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added 
to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.

RE: [OT] Literary Lion Obama will Roar No More

[Bob Calco]

Ricardo:

> Mmmm. no, I still hate you.

:)

That makes me smile, mainly because I predicted you'd say that.

> > I'm eschatologically speaking a preterist, so I don't know how that
> comment
> > is supposed to relate to me.
> >
> Eschatology? Yes I like that (the 'other' meaning). Now "preterist" I
> had to look up and that gave another meaning to eschatology. :)

I was worried you'd confuse it with "pederast" because of the word sound
similarity and your likely familiarity with that concept, but I'm impressed
you did the scholarly thing instead. ;)

> BTW, after I've burned you for heresy we might start trying to figure
> out how many angels will fit in a pin's head.

Heresy? It's the only interpretation of Jesus' direct promises of his
immanent parousia in that generation IMHO that makes sense, and it fits with
what Daniel and John predicted, once you decode their symbolism in the
context of the "those of us who are alive and remain" (the apostles). It's
the main reason I don't think Obama is "the" anti-Christ per se, but one of
many antichrists and false prophets about which Scripture speaks, who
deceive many Christians into working iniquity. Just happens to be one in a
particularly powerful position, which is never a good thing.

All schemes to interpret it in a futuristic sense have been confounded by
history since 70 AD. This is the way God often operates. 

Many folks are going to be disappointed (and in history have been
disappointed) when they realize they allowed a great evil to happen, and
they're NOT going to be slurped up into the clouds and out of moral
responsibility for what they did. I think my biggest problem with fellow
Christians who still look to the "rapture" as a get-out-of-trouble-free pass
is that they miss the point of discipleship.

> 
> >> Why? Is she ugly?
> >>
> >
> > Not at all. Somehow I got lucky. :)
> >
> So somehow we both got lucky? (when I finally get to meet her, I mean)
> Though now that I think of it, russians are so tragic about life
> Hey! Maybe that's why you keep making up all this antichrist stuff
> (though if you are really a preterist the antichrist has come and gone
> a
> long time ago).

Preterism looks at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and end of Israel
as a nation for almost 2K years as the metaphysical "turning point" between
two covenants, and fulfillment of all key promises of scripture, at least as
they pertain to the old covenant. The "end of the world"/"end times" was
referring to Israel as a divinely anointed people in the context of the old
covenant. The Israel of today bears no relation to the Israel of old, which
is long gone, though it does serve to remind modern Jews of the
"blessing/curse" deal God made with them---the "curse" part of which has
been their lot since 70 AD, because of their stiff necks and refusal to
perform their end of the bargain. Their track record with God (like anybody
else's) sucks, and while God will never break His covenant, we can break
covenant with God, and look out.

My main reasons for supporting Israel over the Palestinians is political and
not theological per se--they're simply more civilized, the term being
understood over there on a relative basis. I don't support them for
scriptural reasons, like many of my Republican friends do who happen to be
dispensationalists still of the opinion that all is not yet fulfilled. I
have many Jewish friends, and some of them are actually Christians. I
half-jokingly think the solution to the conflict is to get Mel Gibson and
Stephen Spielberg to collaborate on a Hollywood replica of Israel in
southern Kaliforniastan, and let the Palestinians have that dust bowl near
Jordan. But I know they'd just migrate to Kaliforniastan so they could
continue to harass Jews; that's kinda the point of the "curse" side of the
covenant, and that is their role as the descendants of Ishmael. Anyway.

The futurist interpretations make Jesus look wrong when he promised
fulfillment during that generation, and one of His more tangible, verifiable
predictions -- that not one stone of the temple would be left unturned --
actually happened on time and on budget in that generation, as he verily,
verily promised. Many Christians actually don't know that, to my surprise.
Damn public schools!

Let's say I'm totally wrong and the parousia is still in the future. The key
point is simply to be spiritually ready at any time to meet your maker, and
not try to guess the hour, or neglect your duty in the meanwhile.

Insofar as I often feel fear about what's going on, I'm reminded of my
carnal nature and need to get back into a right relationship with God, but
this would be true if I were a dispensationalist as well. Because I don't
think "the end" of which Jesus spoke "is near" I tend to look at the long
term consequences of things a bit more seriously, but at least I know Satan
and his crowd have already been defeated spiritually, and everything we see
around us is the outward working of that spir