RE: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
Ed, I've had all the Beta's on my machine now for about 4 months and I can say thatapart from the eye candy, which is very nice by the way, I can't see ANY reason to upgrade from XP or even 2K. Certainly debugging the last 1% (or more) errors out of it won't be done until SP1 arrives after about 6 months which is par for the course. As for me, my favourite platform(s) are 2K and Linux (Ubuntu) and I'll keep using them especially as the latter keeps maturing with every release. Dave Crozier The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and to lie about your age -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: 27 July 2006 13:57 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ... On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Jim Felton wrote: I am glad to see the ship dates slide. The critics of MS will scream at the top of their lungs if there is a problem with Vista after it ships. If it takes MS two more years to get it right, so be it. This should send a message to all developers that shipping a 99% product is more important than shipping on time. Nobody argues that point. The problem is announcing a ship date that you can't possibly meet in order to manipulate the market. How many of those software subscription licenses do you think they would have sold if they said that they had no idea how long it would be until the next version was ready? Also, what is left in the new version bears little resemblance to what was announced. Except for the eye candy, most of the truly revolutionary changes were shelved. They aren't getting it right; they're just not doing it at all. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
On 7/28/06, Tristan Leask [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally got around to installing Vista Beta 2 last night in a Virtual PC. I couldn't do it on my works laptop because it was just too slow. The gaming pc at home though seems to boot it up okay. Haven't played with it though as I had to leave it installing over night! Man it took ages! I read somewhere that Vista will be super fast to install as it uses imaging technology (like Ghost). Maybe that bit's not released yet... One thing I did notice though! The first user still has admin privileges! When are they gonna change this??? Stupidity! That's the root cause of all the security problems in Windows. If the default back in NT or 2000 was to give users non-admin rights then us programmers (admit it, we're all guilty!) wouldn't have written programs that assume this. It's a catch-22. Run as admin and all your programs spyware work fine. Run as a standard user and half your programs don't work. -- Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
I read somewhere that Vista will be super fast to install as it uses imaging technology (like Ghost). Maybe that bit's not released yet... It might have been because my gaming pc only has a gig of memory, should be getting another gig for that soon though. It's a catch-22. Run as admin and all your programs spyware work fine. Run as a standard user and half your programs don't work. Damn ourselves! And MS! Tristan -- This email was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unless otherwise agreed expressly in writing by Marine Software Limited, this communication and attachments are to be treated as confidential and the information in it may not be used or disclosed except for the purpose for which it was sent. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication you should destroy it without copying, disclosing or otherwise using its contents. Please notify the sender immediately of the error. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:25:15 +0100, Paul Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I read somewhere that Vista will be super fast to install as it uses imaging technology (like Ghost). Maybe that bit's not released yet... Yeah the final release works this way - it just copies an image onto your HDD and then works from there. So for an upgrade from XP it just installs seperately then migrates settings into Vista. This is a good thing for admins who push out central installs etc. -- Alan Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Conveniently forgotten Copland and Gershwin have we? Those were certainly failed projects, but were never announced as actual products with shipping dates. Longhorn/Vista has been pushed by Microsoft sales for some time now, and has had several announced delivery dates come and go. That's the difference between RD development and vaporware. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
Vista, the next coming of PERFECTION, YA RIGHT. I am glad to see the ship dates slide. The critics of MS will scream at the top of their lungs if there is a problem with Vista after it ships. If it takes MS two more years to get it right, so be it. This should send a message to all developers that shipping a 99% product is more important than shipping on time. Over the past 10 years or so, we have fallen into a ship it and fix it latter mentality vs. a do it right this first time, As a user, I would like the use the product, not debug it. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:21 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject:Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ... On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: Conveniently forgotten Copland and Gershwin have we? Those were certainly failed projects, but were never announced as actual products with shipping dates. Longhorn/Vista has been pushed by Microsoft sales for some time now, and has had several announced delivery dates come and go. That's the difference between RD development and vaporware. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
Jim Felton wrote: Vista, the next coming of PERFECTION, YA RIGHT. I am glad to see the ship dates slide. The critics of MS will scream at the top of their lungs if there is a problem with Vista after it ships. If it takes MS two more years to get it right, so be it. This should send a message to all developers that shipping a 99% product is more important than shipping on time. Over the past 10 years or so, we have fallen into a ship it and fix it latter mentality vs. a do it right this first time, As a user, I would like the use the product, not debug it. I agree! I'd rather them get it correct then make an advertised deadline which could release pure crap. I just wish that they would slow down the frigging promotion machine, but that will never happen :) Stephen Russell DBA / Operations Developer Memphis TN 38115 901.246-0159 http://spaces.msn.com/members/srussell/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 7/26/2006 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:17 AM, Jim Felton wrote: I am glad to see the ship dates slide. The critics of MS will scream at the top of their lungs if there is a problem with Vista after it ships. If it takes MS two more years to get it right, so be it. This should send a message to all developers that shipping a 99% product is more important than shipping on time. Nobody argues that point. The problem is announcing a ship date that you can't possibly meet in order to manipulate the market. How many of those software subscription licenses do you think they would have sold if they said that they had no idea how long it would be until the next version was ready? Also, what is left in the new version bears little resemblance to what was announced. Except for the eye candy, most of the truly revolutionary changes were shelved. They aren't getting it right; they're just not doing it at all. -- Ed Leafe -- http://leafe.com -- http://dabodev.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [NF] Attention Mac users who are slagging Vista ...
Stephen the Cook wrote: I agree! I'd rather them get it correct then make an advertised deadline which could release pure crap. I just wish that they would slow down the frigging promotion machine, but that will never happen :) M$ is a big marketing machine first, then a software company afterwards perhaps? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
