RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Michael Madigan
Things that have happened to me:

Change in marketing director, he brings in his own
people and we stop getting work.  A year later owner
calls us to take over botched job, tells us that we
need to learn their new system on our own time,
unpaid, then bill us for just the time it takes to fix
their system.  We tell them to go pound sand.

Owner's retarded brother-in-law gets fired from his
job, owner gives our contract to brother-in-law.

Owner swears I'm not returning his calls and emails
even though I swear to him he must be calling someone
else because I'm not getting any of his calls or
emails.  He stops giving me work because I'm
unresponsive.  I think this guy may have been going
senile.



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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Charlie Coleman
At 06:25 PM 1/17/2007 -0800, Michael Madigan wrote:
>What language is this? LOL
> >
> > Who did you get any?   ;->

Why, it's .Net-speak of course.

;-)

-Charlie 



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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Getting that way myself...
If I could sum up every mistake I ever made, they are all the same in that I
trusted somebody to do what was right.. 


Virgil Bierschwale
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http://www.tccutlery.com
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On Wednesday 17 January 2007 2:46 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:

Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of
businesses and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the
pickle once they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted
anyone.

> I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think the time when 
> customers used to stick with one business because the service was that 
> good, is long gone.
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Pete
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-18 Thread Alan Lukachko
Customers still do stick with you if you do good work and provide good
service for them.

Tomorrow, I'm going to a client that I first did work for in July, 1982. His
business keeps growing and he keeps calling me back. First I developed an
app with GW-BASIC, then FoxBase, then Visual FoxPro 3, 5 and now 9. At one
point, he even lent me money during one of my drought periods. 

Today I'm going to a client that I've had since October, 1999. We started
off in the wrong direction early on, but turned it around. Since then, we've
always tried to develop the best system for their needs and nothing more.
Sometimes I've suggested things that resulted in less money for us. Maybe
that's part of why they stick with us.

Next week I'm off to see a client that I've had since May 1990. Their sales
were $5 million. By Feb, 2006, their sales were over $200 million. They were
bought by a publicly traded company last year for $485 million. While there
is more bureaucracy with the now public company, they still stick with me.

There are other long time clients that continue to stick with us

But then that maybe only a result of the Canadian business climate. Only in
Canada you say? Pity!


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On Wednesday 17 January 2007 2:46 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:

Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of
businesses 
and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the pickle
once 
they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted anyone.

> I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
> the time when customers used to stick with one
> business because the service was that good, is long
> gone.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 2:46 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:

Hi Michael!

As you know I am getting up in years. I have had the experience of businesses 
and people doing right by me for a while and then slipping me the pickle once 
they had my trust. The last twenty years, I haven't trusted anyone.

> I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
> the time when customers used to stick with one
> business because the service was that good, is long
> gone.
-- 
Regards,

Pete
http://www.pete-theisen.com/


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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Michael Madigan
What language is this? LOL
> 
> Who did you get any?   ;->



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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Stephen the Cook
Michael Madigan <> wrote:
> Everyplace I've worked, the money went to the clueless. LOL

Who did you get any?   ;->
 
> I've always said that if I had employees that I would pay them based
> on a fixed percentage of what they generated in business.  If I bill
> you at $100.00/hr, I pay you $50.00 / hr.  However, I've seen that
> the most successful companies are the ones that treat their employees
> like crap.

The most successful ones don't do that.  Granted there are a few butt heads
along the way but overall the quality of company isn't enhanced with
mistreatment of it's employees.


Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer

Memphis TN 38115
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Stephen the Cook
Pete Theisen <> wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
>> However, I've seen that the most
>> successful companies are the ones that treat their employees like
>> crap.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> What? THAT good?
> 
> I think it used to be that companies made their money off of
> customers. Now they clearly make their money off their employees. 

Must be a Florida thing.  



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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Michael Madigan
I also think it's a chicken and egg thing.  I think
the time when customers used to stick with one
business because the service was that good, is long
gone.

I have one auto dealership that I buy from.  Their
service is unbelievably good.  I'm willing to pay more
for their cars to have that service, even if their car
prices are good anyway.

I have one bank that I'm going to consolidate all my
accounts into because their service is that good.




--- Pete Theisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael
> Madigan wrote:
> > However, I've seen that the most
> > successful companies are the ones that treat their
> > employees like crap.
> 
> Hi Michael!
> 
> What? THAT good?
> 
> I think it used to be that companies made their
> money off of customers. Now 
> they clearly make their money off their employees.
> 
> Odd that the article was on MSN. Seems that MSN
> would not be sounding so 
> leftish, but no matter, it will never actually
> happen.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Pete
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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 12:03 pm, Michael Madigan wrote:
> However, I've seen that the most
> successful companies are the ones that treat their
> employees like crap.

Hi Michael!

What? THAT good?

I think it used to be that companies made their money off of customers. Now 
they clearly make their money off their employees.

Odd that the article was on MSN. Seems that MSN would not be sounding so 
leftish, but no matter, it will never actually happen.

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Pete Theisen
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 9:44 am, MB Software Solutions wrote:


Hi Michael!

Well, if they actually carry through with it. I don't think they ever will, 
somehow.


> http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TheComingCrackd
>ownOnCEOs.aspx
>
> It's about time.

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Helio W.
That was the point to begin with.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would agree on that...
>
> No performee, no payee...
>
> Kind of like I told an agency once,
>
> No payee, no workee
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
>
> It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say in it.
>
> Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge salary?
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp
>
> I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base salary + a bonus, but
> with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO
> is just crazy.
>
>
> --- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Nope, just hungry...
> > I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I
> > know a few individuals that own their own private companies..
> >
> > They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand
> > the words "It Can't be done"
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W.
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> >
> > You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> >
> > On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> > >
> > >
> > > Virgil Bierschwale
> > > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Michael Madigan
Everyplace I've worked, the money went to the
clueless. LOL

I've always said that if I had employees that I would
pay them based on a fixed percentage of what they
generated in business.  If I bill you at $100.00/hr, I
pay you $50.00 / hr.  However, I've seen that the most
successful companies are the ones that treat their
employees like crap.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would agree on that...
> 
> No performee, no payee...
> 
> Kind of like I told an agency once,
> 
> No payee, no workee 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Michael Madigan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> It seems to me that the shareholders should have a
> say in it.
> 
> Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge
> salary?
> 
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp
> 
> I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base
> salary + a bonus, but
> with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company
> giving 40 million to a CEO
> is just crazy.
> 
> 
> --- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Nope, just hungry...
> > I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making
> the big bucks and I 
> > know a few individuals that own their own private
> companies..
> > 
> > They're no different then you or I, except that
> they don't understand 
> > the words "It Can't be done"
> > 
> > 
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Helio W.
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> > 
> > You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> > 
> > On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> > >
> > >
> > > Virgil Bierschwale
> > > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> > 
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
I would agree on that...

No performee, no payee...

Kind of like I told an agency once,

No payee, no workee 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:20 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say in it.

Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge salary?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp

I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base salary + a bonus, but
with a reasonable cap.  A totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO
is just crazy.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope, just hungry...
> I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I 
> know a few individuals that own their own private companies..
> 
> They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand 
> the words "It Can't be done"
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Helio W.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> 
> On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> 
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Michael Madigan
It seems to me that the shareholders should have a say
in it.

Why should a CEO who's done horribly get a huge
salary?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P125120.asp

I think all CEO salaries should be based on a base
salary + a bonus, but with a reasonable cap.  A
totally broke company giving 40 million to a CEO is
just crazy.


--- Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nope, just hungry...
> I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making
> the big bucks and I know
> a few individuals that own their own private
> companies..
> 
> They're no different then you or I, except that they
> don't understand the
> words "It Can't be done" 
> 
> 
> Virgil Bierschwale
> http://www.virgilslist.com
> http://www.tccutlery.com
> http://www.bierschwale.com
> http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Helio W.
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries
> 
> You're a naive guy, Virgil.
> 
> On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Spoken like a true pessimist.
> >
> >
> > Virgil Bierschwale
> > http://www.virgilslist.com
> > http://www.tccutlery.com
> > http://www.bierschwale.com
> > http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
> 
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Nope, just hungry...
I've worked directly with some of the CEO's making the big bucks and I know
a few individuals that own their own private companies..

They're no different then you or I, except that they don't understand the
words "It Can't be done" 


Virgil Bierschwale
http://www.virgilslist.com
http://www.tccutlery.com
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com

-Original Message-
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Of Helio W.
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:08 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

You're a naive guy, Virgil.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Spoken like a true pessimist.
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
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> http://www.tccutlery.com
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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Helio W.
You're a naive guy, Virgil.

On 1/17/07, Virgil Bierschwale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Spoken like a true pessimist.
>
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Spoken like a true pessimist. 


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On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Don't say that..
> You may wind up a CEO one of these days

Yeah, that'll happen.

> and if you're responsible for making
> your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the 
> rewards..

Of course, the money isn't made by the workers, so they're not
entitled to reap any of the rewards. They're just a cost of doing business
that needs to be kept as low as possible.

The money CEOs make isn't tied to stock or business performance,
either. They pay millions to recruit them, and millions when they fire them.

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Re: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jan 17, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> Don't say that..
> You may wind up a CEO one of these days

Yeah, that'll happen.

> and if you're responsible for making
> your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the
> rewards..

Of course, the money isn't made by the workers, so they're not  
entitled to reap any of the rewards. They're just a cost of doing  
business that needs to be kept as low as possible.

The money CEOs make isn't tied to stock or business performance,  
either. They pay millions to recruit them, and millions when they  
fire them.

-- Ed Leafe
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RE: [OT] Cracking down on CEO salaries

2007-01-17 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
Don't say that..
You may wind up a CEO one of these days and if you're responsible for making
your share holders a lot of money, then you're entitled to reap the
rewards.. 


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http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/TheComingCrackdo
wnOnCEOs.aspx

It's about time. 

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