Re: What would you like....
>>There was a time that Fox ran on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix. It'd be nice to have that again.<< And Sun! Bill Anderson On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: > Cross platform. I don't want to develop for 90% of the desktops. I want > to develop applications for 99% of the desktops. > > There was a time that Fox ran on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix. It'd be nice > to have that again. > > > > On 05/19/2014 10:16 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > >> What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once >> again into a market leading product? >> >> > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ca+o1enfmkaufe8hfhjs5rno2xfczeyteljqmjzs2-p7l9jj...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I didn't see this post. I personally don't see the problem with relational databases under Node.js. In fact, I love the ORM tools like bookshelf but I have the option of communicating directly with the db as well. I have implemented 2 real time international freight tracking solutions now with node. The author of that article totally missed node's ability to spawn and manage sub-processes. So CPU intensive tasks aren't a problem if you identify them. Have a look through the comments and you will see that I am not the only one who believes that they are not a problem. In fact, I am using them to talk to VFP COM servers. The "chat" ability of node.js is in a process called socket.io and it means that your frontend can receive notifications from the server. That is very powerful in a web-based real time business application. Hopefully that clarifies some issues for you. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 3:38 AM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote: > I am interested in something like this to create a UI in a browser. > > However, I don't think Node.js is very good for my accounts receivable > relational database (VFP9 SP2) application. Here is what I found on this > page: http://www.toptal.com/nodejs/why-the-hell-would-i-use-node-js > > "Using Node.js with a relational database is still quite a pain (see below > for more detail). Do yourself a favour and pick up any other environment > like Rails, Django, or ASP.Net MVC if you’re trying to perform relational > operations." > > Of course, I did not read everything as there is a lot available. I got > the impression that "chat" was the ideal type of application for Node.js. > Maybe someone who knows more about it could add to this? > > > > On 5/20/2014 10:04 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: > >> >> On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: >> >> Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last >>> year but it was shot down because it was different. >>> >>> Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. >> [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cakt3opdsnkzdbkle0qnl7yj1vvsc+o--vtrwyxaisz9us6f...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 2014-05-21 11:37, Peter Cushing wrote: mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: No way LHO killed JFK alone. He was assisted by Elvis, Bruce Lee and Jim Morrison ;-) You forgot Hitler too. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/e23277502f87dfe1f342d97979246...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 5/21/14, 7:17 AM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: And of course the conspiracy theories were numerous. One I recall was that Bill Gates wanted his VB and didn't want VFP to compete with it. I find that a bit hard to believe, but I do like a good conspiracy theory. And yes, I definitely believe there was a shooter in the grassy knoll. No way LHO killed JFK alone. Nice way to end the thread: you indirectly invoked Hitler! (via the umbrella man). Paul ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537ccd88.2080...@mcnettware.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: No way LHO killed JFK alone. He was assisted by Elvis, Bruce Lee and Jim Morrison ;-) Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537cc828.9050...@whisperingsmith.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: What would you like....
Its not that VFP alone is dead, it's the desktop environment for application is almost dead itself. The way people are going is developing for web apps / cloud apps. That's it. Desktop environment should be browser based database as SaaS and interface based on html etc. With of course the ability to create html5 versions of the application for mobile users and fully functional phone tablet app framework working on ios/ android and windows phone. -ok that's a stretch. I don't see the world going backwards to runtimes being installed, its changing to quickly for that. We need a web application environment we can work in. Not updates to vfp as is.. VFP - Cloud as a subscription is what I would like to see. Supported updated, secure and feature rich. Bob Lee -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Russell Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 4:21 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: What would you like On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Bill Arnold < billjarn...@h2officesolutions.com> wrote: > Dave, > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > > without > re-running the program > > > > This would be my top pick. Under the covers it could let us make > changes to a copy of the actual program code with an option to "save > changes" when the debugging session is over. > > Re "VFP is dead", what we need from MS is a declaration that VFP will > continue to work for the life of Windows. Call this "support" or > something else. > > -- > You already have that. What is the command window all about right? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537cb8a3.4411330a.41c1.4...@mx.google.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 2014-05-21 10:10, Kevin Cully wrote: I wouldn't have minded if they disabled the DBF functionality, still left the SQL and the in-memory cursors, and renamed the product Visual BadgerPro. Yes, I would have bitched on how lame that was if Microsoft, but at least a great product would still be supported while making SQL Server sales. Oh, I still want ODBC so I *don't* have to use SQL Server. Coulda/Woulda/Shoulda And of course the conspiracy theories were numerous. One I recall was that Bill Gates wanted his VB and didn't want VFP to compete with it. I find that a bit hard to believe, but I do like a good conspiracy theory. And yes, I definitely believe there was a shooter in the grassy knoll. No way LHO killed JFK alone. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0ac24fbec067ad605ed99fb789a68...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
I wouldn't have minded if they disabled the DBF functionality, still left the SQL and the in-memory cursors, and renamed the product Visual BadgerPro. Yes, I would have bitched on how lame that was if Microsoft, but at least a great product would still be supported while making SQL Server sales. Oh, I still want ODBC so I *don't* have to use SQL Server. On 05/21/2014 09:59 AM, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: Aah, true, but with a SQL Server license, it was a double-win. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537cb3cf.4030...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 2014-05-21 04:47, AndyHC wrote: On 20/05/2014 22:08, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2014-05-20 17:05, Stephen Russell wrote: There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a copy and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. Exactly. Hence why they let it wither and die on the vine. Beancounting error - your apps had to run on computers using ms OS. Aah, true, but with a SQL Server license, it was a double-win. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/e92e6225d2568c48d63765a74d1c2...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 20/05/2014 22:08, mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 2014-05-20 17:05, Stephen Russell wrote: There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a copy and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. Exactly. Hence why they let it wither and die on the vine. Beancounting error - your apps had to run on computers using ms OS. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537c680f.2070...@hawthorncottage.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 4:08 PM, < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > On 2014-05-20 17:05, Stephen Russell wrote: > >> There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a >> copy >> and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. >> > > Exactly. Hence why they let it wither and die on the vine. > > > >> Charging people for data is good $. Just ask any cloud vendor today. >> > > You betcha! Sell it as "nightly backups, redundancy, failover-systems, > etc. etc. etc...you don't have to worry about handling that stuff; that's > what you pay us to do." > -- > If it is good enough to keep running your business with it is good enough to pay for. :) Oh yeah you pay for security as well as up time 24 x 7 x 365. Currently I am running a test on a restore of our DW in test. Only 150 gigs. From SQL Server I can restore it in 5 min with the backup file on the server itself. This test if for our new backup software and it is taking hours to do the same db. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyjqv3xvudn7wld5moc6973ywjxoqgfu5ucln4b3qe7...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a > copy > and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. > You can do that with the free versions of the dev tools and SQL Server. I don't buy into the conspiracy theories about FoxPro. They bought it to get hold of a then cutting-edge desktop database product, it continued to do well without major investment so they ran with it, then as the world moved on there was less sense in running with it even with minimal investment. They could have killed it support-wise years ago like they did with VB6. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400620976.27331.119667657.6fec2...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 2014-05-20 17:05, Stephen Russell wrote: There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a copy and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. Exactly. Hence why they let it wither and die on the vine. Charging people for data is good $. Just ask any cloud vendor today. You betcha! Sell it as "nightly backups, redundancy, failover-systems, etc. etc. etc...you don't have to worry about handling that stuff; that's what you pay us to do." ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c5f5b74ea7a1b976747e6a2d86783...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:46 PM, < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > M$ probably knew that, and because he was popular with the Fox community, > it was probably an appeasement move or something to shut them up for a > little while longer. Simply put: they didn't want the Fox to succeed > wildly...just enough but not more. See the comment about Bill Gates losing > $20k per VFP sale or something like that since it possibly took away a SQL > Server sale. > > Ehold hat. > - > There wan't enough money for resources to fund Fox anymore. You buy a copy and sell 100 different apps to other companies while M$ makes nothing. Charging people for data is good $. Just ask any cloud vendor today. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMY++R7xqZny6ZBw_xN=3oqct4nrrdazx1vzip9xxqim...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: What would you like....
M$ probably knew that, and because he was popular with the Fox community, it was probably an appeasement move or something to shut them up for a little while longer. Simply put: they didn't want the Fox to succeed wildly...just enough but not more. See the comment about Bill Gates losing $20k per VFP sale or something like that since it possibly took away a SQL Server sale. Ehold hat. On 2014-05-20 02:45, Allen wrote: Having met Ken Levy in Prague, I was not impressed. Was not a good speaker, which for his job I would have expected. And a bit of a week character as well. So I would be surprised if he could have a say. Don't get me wrong, it is not an anti Ken comment as I could not do it either. But I think he was in the wrong job. Al -Original Message- Absolutely. I still distinctly remember Boudewijn Lutgerink and his discussions and pleadings to Ken Levy (but of course, Ken wouldn't or couldn't do the right thing for properly marketing FoxPro). This one from the archives: http://leafe.com/archives/msg/207551 [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/b71b85461999d9cf234189166986a...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 1:49 PM, < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > On 2014-05-20 13:04, Alan Bourke wrote: > >> On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: >> >> Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last >>> year but it was shot down because it was different. >>> >>> >> Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. >> > > > Perhaps they M$ fanbois and anything non-M$ is shunned? > --- > No it is doing things in a "new" or more modern way that is the issue. I got criticized for having a test project in may app as it was not needed. Actually it was coming from the design by test environment and no code would be put into the app until tested. Makes it easy to have an automatic re-run of all your functions after you make a tweak to see that they are all still working. Well instead of firing up the UI and plodding through it is all you accept for testing if it still works. :) -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyl2oncolhhdqn6pngvvq88xisdipnck_-z16cgqxot...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote: > I am interested in something like this to create a UI in a browser. > > However, I don't think Node.js is very good for my accounts receivable > relational database (VFP9 SP2) application. Here is what I found on this > page: http://www.toptal.com/nodejs/why-the-hell-would-i-use-node-js > > "Using Node.js with a relational database is still quite a pain (see below > for more detail). Do yourself a favour and pick up any other environment > like Rails, Django, or ASP.Net MVC if you’re trying to perform relational > operations." > > Of course, I did not read everything as there is a lot available. I got > the impression that "chat" was the ideal type of application for Node.js. > Maybe someone who knows more about it could add to this? > - > Most of Google's apps are Node.js. To be honest I cannot see any benefit in keeping data in VFP tables and all other code will be apart of other systems that do node.js. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYKH2dKq6sWcoy88=ols3lrdkd3ekhqxv_xth1nex4z...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 2014-05-20 13:04, Alan Bourke wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last year but it was shot down because it was different. Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. Perhaps they M$ fanbois and anything non-M$ is shunned? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/c6ea8c47913a4c51ddaab3de1055f...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: > > > On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > > > Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last > > year but it was shot down because it was different. > > > > Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. > -- > Proud to be apart of the other half here. :) JQuery? Forbidden! We do compile in VS2012 but all of the code is 2005 based. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYKA9LKntkx-OU=527sqllpmspbe95brbk_fs-m00kc...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
I am interested in something like this to create a UI in a browser. However, I don't think Node.js is very good for my accounts receivable relational database (VFP9 SP2) application. Here is what I found on this page: http://www.toptal.com/nodejs/why-the-hell-would-i-use-node-js "Using Node.js with a relational database is still quite a pain (see below for more detail). Do yourself a favour and pick up any other environment like Rails, Django, or ASP.Net MVC if you’re trying to perform relational operations." Of course, I did not read everything as there is a lot available. I got the impression that "chat" was the ideal type of application for Node.js. Maybe someone who knows more about it could add to this? On 5/20/2014 10:04 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last year but it was shot down because it was different. Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537b930e.1040...@gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 03:34 PM, Stephen Russell wrote: > Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last > year but it was shot down because it was different. > Different? Half the world is using it and jquery. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400605460.26162.119572273.4862e...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2014-05-20 04:34, Peter Cushing wrote: http://laughingsquid.com/the-expert-a-hilarious-sketch-about-the-pain-of-being-the-only-engineer-in-a-business-meeting/ HILARIOUS! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/32413e844c22056d140c325003783...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Paul Hemans wrote: > I have been involved recently with a lot of behaviour driven design with > Javascript. It has made me realize that there is definitely a gap that is > begging to be filled. In my opinion Foxpro/DBase is a database DSL and > should stay with its strengths. So what I would like, would be to forget > about the user interface, HTML/Javascript handles that and not just > client-side web interfaces (check out Cordova, Node & node-webkit). JS > handles events and asynchronous programming much better that does the Fox. > But what it doesn't handle well is business rules. Because of the callbacks > it gets messy and draws attention away from the task of implementing > business logic. > -- Node.js looks interesting. I brought it up at a dev group meeting last year but it was shot down because it was different. -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmylv+_-ak5gz56249ux-dtpegti+t5xipqg5igyfsbr...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That Node.js looks really powerful Paul definitely worth looking into. I never knew of its existence. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hemans Sent: 20 May 2014 12:48 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: What would you like I have been involved recently with a lot of behaviour driven design with Javascript. It has made me realize that there is definitely a gap that is begging to be filled. In my opinion Foxpro/DBase is a database DSL and should stay with its strengths. So what I would like, would be to forget about the user interface, HTML/Javascript handles that and not just client-side web interfaces (check out Cordova, Node & node-webkit). JS handles events and asynchronous programming much better that does the Fox. But what it doesn't handle well is business rules. Because of the callbacks it gets messy and draws attention away from the task of implementing business logic. Currently I am interfacing Node to Fox through sockets and COM and it works well. But what I would love to see is Foxpro in the Node environment. So what I would like to see would be a translator that could take Foxpro code and implement it in JS through an ORM like Bookshelf.js. A while ago I started on a basic translator under .Net through the Gold parser but dropped it when I started working with Node.js and realized that it was a superior environment. Without going into all the gory details of the process, I believe it is possible to do if you have access to a database dictionary at the time of translating and running the resulting JS. The indexes etc can be translated into queries by referring to the dictionary. There are a few database design issues that need to be resolved (such as record timestamps and a central locking table). Then again I might be oversimplifying it. As a couple of examples of translating to JS, there is a popular language called CoffeeScript that translates to JS and is built using the open source Jison compiler. The all powerful Antlr4 compiler also has a JS target, so there are ample open source compilers to choose from. MS has made a strict typed JS translator called Typescript (so they can sell more tools). The nice thing though about TypeScript is that it uses traditional OO, and its strict typing defaults to duck typing when a type hasn't been specified. Sorry for the brain dump, well you did ask:) On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 19 May 2014 22:16, Dave Crozier wrote: > > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into > > the > "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > > > > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it > > once > again into a market leading product? > > > > Just my 2 cents worth: > > > > 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a > driver that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. > > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > > without > re-running the program > > > > 3. Multithreading > > > > 4. Inbuilt list processing > > > > 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be > > covered > of course if (1) above were to be implimented. > > > > 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data > > > > There, that's a start > > > > Dave > > > > PS - it's not very busy here at the moment... hence the diversion! > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50e...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Like Al says, you can change variable/object properties but not the underlying code. And Stephen not a wake, maybe just a little "what if..." session ... to keep us all AWAKE! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 20 May 2014 12:30 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: What would you like You can change properties but not code as far as I know. Al -Original Message- > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > > without > re-running the program You already have that. What is the command window all about right? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50e...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I have been involved recently with a lot of behaviour driven design with Javascript. It has made me realize that there is definitely a gap that is begging to be filled. In my opinion Foxpro/DBase is a database DSL and should stay with its strengths. So what I would like, would be to forget about the user interface, HTML/Javascript handles that and not just client-side web interfaces (check out Cordova, Node & node-webkit). JS handles events and asynchronous programming much better that does the Fox. But what it doesn't handle well is business rules. Because of the callbacks it gets messy and draws attention away from the task of implementing business logic. Currently I am interfacing Node to Fox through sockets and COM and it works well. But what I would love to see is Foxpro in the Node environment. So what I would like to see would be a translator that could take Foxpro code and implement it in JS through an ORM like Bookshelf.js. A while ago I started on a basic translator under .Net through the Gold parser but dropped it when I started working with Node.js and realized that it was a superior environment. Without going into all the gory details of the process, I believe it is possible to do if you have access to a database dictionary at the time of translating and running the resulting JS. The indexes etc can be translated into queries by referring to the dictionary. There are a few database design issues that need to be resolved (such as record timestamps and a central locking table). Then again I might be oversimplifying it. As a couple of examples of translating to JS, there is a popular language called CoffeeScript that translates to JS and is built using the open source Jison compiler. The all powerful Antlr4 compiler also has a JS target, so there are ample open source compilers to choose from. MS has made a strict typed JS translator called Typescript (so they can sell more tools). The nice thing though about TypeScript is that it uses traditional OO, and its strict typing defaults to duck typing when a type hasn't been specified. Sorry for the brain dump, well you did ask:) On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Man-wai Chang wrote: > On 19 May 2014 22:16, Dave Crozier wrote: > > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the > "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > > > > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once > again into a market leading product? > > > > Just my 2 cents worth: > > > > 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a > driver that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. > > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without > re-running the program > > > > 3. Multithreading > > > > 4. Inbuilt list processing > > > > 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be covered > of course if (1) above were to be implimented. > > > > 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data > > > > There, that's a start > > > > Dave > > > > PS - it's not very busy here at the moment... hence the diversion! > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cakt3opc8dt+enzp8ee8o39udjaqa+p-avbvwtk_t66rbn_-...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Is this thread a wake? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR87LsmXzBs On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Allen wrote: > You can change properties but not code as far as I know. > Al > > -Original Message- > > > > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > > > without > > re-running the program > > > You already have that. What is the command window all about right? > > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAJidMYLWZ_Zv5Tnj-uE=lj2etfbpg4dbbju-fnlx+jaksi4...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You can change properties but not code as far as I know. Al -Original Message- > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > > without > re-running the program You already have that. What is the command window all about right? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/004e01cf741e$dce9e270$96bda750$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:11 AM, Bill Arnold < billjarn...@h2officesolutions.com> wrote: > Dave, > > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without > re-running the program > > > > This would be my top pick. Under the covers it could let us make changes to > a copy of the actual program code with an option to "save changes" when the > debugging session is over. > > Re "VFP is dead", what we need from MS is a declaration that VFP will > continue to work for the life of Windows. Call this "support" or something > else. > > -- > You already have that. What is the command window all about right? -- Stephen Russell Sr. Analyst Ring Container Technology Oakland TN 901.246-0159 cell --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/cajidmyl7qibebwzicdhtjypkduz_hbf47sqta92oneqzmt+...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I would like 1. As I have Asian clients. I think 2. Is possible with AFP now. And as for 3. I would like it the other way. Use VFP, tables at least without OLDDB or whatever the buzzword is now, in dotnet Al -Original Message- 1. Unicode support (for Asian users) 2. Browser-based run-time like Java 3. Ability to use dotNet controls ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/004701cf741b$9d01e5c0$d705b140$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 19 May 2014 22:16, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open > source" world > - whatever M$ say and promise... > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again > into a > market leading product? 1. Unicode support (for Asian users) 2. Browser-based run-time like Java 3. Ability to use dotNet controls -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision. SINCERITY! / v \ 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10 (Linux kernel 2.6.39.3) /( _ )\ http://sites.google.com/site/changmw ^ ^ May the Force and farces be with you! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=mjcxqk0erznk8gboq_zzqtfnvunndkwjurrsm+yz0+g...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 19 May 2014 22:16, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open > source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again > into a market leading product? > > Just my 2 cents worth: > > 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a driver > that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without > re-running the program > > 3. Multithreading > > 4. Inbuilt list processing > > 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be covered of > course if (1) above were to be implimented. > > 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data > > There, that's a start > > Dave > > PS - it's not very busy here at the moment... hence the diversion! > [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAGv=MJB0j6VcJcnjNSxJ6jpm6h3N=15-djz9syejrbf8o04...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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> > Re "VFP is dead", what we need from MS is a declaration that VFP will > continue to work for the life of Windows. Call this "support" or > something else. > Well, it's support. Which as we know is ending. So if some update to Windows 7 or 8 down the road breaks something fundamental we better round up some people who know how to hack DLLs. Remember the Fox 2.6 for Windows days when it stopped working once CPUs got to a certain speed and the .ESL file had to be hacked? -- If MS breaks it, than MS fixes it. The same commitment we have with our customers. I wouldn't argue that 2.6 should still work, but nowadays a 32 bit VFP works just fine for myriad applications, it produces competitive products and there's no reason why it can't continue to do so for the life of Windows. Sure, one day we'll be talking with smart machines that can learn, but until then we have code and compilers, and VFP is as good as anything I've seen. This is particularly true for those of us with libraries of tested code to draw from when creating new applications/features. We've finally gotten to the promised land of RAD. And our limitations are far more with imagination than language. Heck, I'm looking forward to a Watson interface, a jump into the next paradigm, right from a Windows 32 bit application. Nothing I'm thinking of needs 64 bit (which I presume will become a bone of contention), but if 64 bit is necessary for some functionality there will be some sort of programmatic interface available to whatever it is. This is not a matter of 32-bit VFP losing viability, as arguably happened with 16-bit DOS, but of MS standing behind the implicit commitment it made to us when it acquired Fox Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/002701cf7410$3bc37e00$b34a7a00$@h2officesolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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ROFL. Indeed it does i have one of those meetings the 10th of june. A+ jml On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Peter Cushing < pcush...@whisperingsmith.com> wrote: > > Kind of sums it up perfectly. > > Peter > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CAPqLOBwhYOafM-+2M3ormhxf0s-5z5fVyuAs7a4=obzcb44...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I don't tell them unless they ask. But my competitors know and they certainly do tell. Along with backhanders I cannot afford. They also go on about small companies. But they conveniently forget big ones go bust first and are slow to respond. Maybe I should put that in my ad's. My ex partner did something like that a way back. Something about us going to 11th year while American airlines (sabre system at the time) went to chapter 11. They threatened to sue until it was pointed out it was right lol. Al -Original Message- Al, So don't tell them ... the majority of customers don't give a stuff about what/how it's written as long as it works. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/003e01cf7407$d603cc80$820b6580$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Al, So don't tell them ... the majority of customers don't give a stuff about what/how it's written as long as it works. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 20 May 2014 09:34 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: What would you like Not that the kind of dead more's the pity. The kind of dead when the competitors make a big deal about your programs written in a dead language. We all know VFP works fine for now on win 8.1 even. But you can't beat lies. Al -Original Message- Well, it's support. Which as we know is ending. So if some update to Windows 7 or 8 down the road breaks something fundamental we better round up some people who know how to hack DLLs. Remember the Fox 2.6 for Windows days when it stopped working once CPUs got to a certain speed and the .ESL file had to be hacked? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Dave Crozier wrote: Although having technical people act as "marketing" folk for products invariably brings in enthusiasm and obvious technical ability the best Marketing people are those who can play the business politics game and have/make contacts that are also political heavyweights. Ah yes "marketing" and technical people. Ever sat in a meeting where you are the technical person and surrounded by marketing people? http://laughingsquid.com/the-expert-a-hilarious-sketch-about-the-pain-of-being-the-only-engineer-in-a-business-meeting/ Kind of sums it up perfectly. Peter ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537b138d.2010...@whisperingsmith.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Not that the kind of dead more's the pity. The kind of dead when the competitors make a big deal about your programs written in a dead language. We all know VFP works fine for now on win 8.1 even. But you can't beat lies. Al -Original Message- Well, it's support. Which as we know is ending. So if some update to Windows 7 or 8 down the road breaks something fundamental we better round up some people who know how to hack DLLs. Remember the Fox 2.6 for Windows days when it stopped working once CPUs got to a certain speed and the .ESL file had to be hacked? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/003d01cf7406$3dd8adf0$b98a09d0$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 08:11 AM, Bill Arnold wrote: > > > Re "VFP is dead", what we need from MS is a declaration that VFP will > continue to work for the life of Windows. Call this "support" or > something > else. > Well, it's support. Which as we know is ending. So if some update to Windows 7 or 8 down the road breaks something fundamental we better round up some people who know how to hack DLLs. Remember the Fox 2.6 for Windows days when it stopped working once CPUs got to a certain speed and the .ESL file had to be hacked? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400574345.19387.119376949.4871f...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Dave, > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without re-running the program This would be my top pick. Under the covers it could let us make changes to a copy of the actual program code with an option to "save changes" when the debugging session is over. Re "VFP is dead", what we need from MS is a declaration that VFP will continue to work for the life of Windows. Call this "support" or something else. Bill ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001e01cf73fa$c19a3200$44ce9600$@h2officesolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Maybe the first choice of word was more relevant that's about how long he lasted! In Ken's defence he really was given the equivalent of Mission Impossible with no budget, hardly any staff and no commitment from M$ whatsoever. Despite Ken's enthusiasm about VFP it was also fairly obvious that his career progression was always biased towards the .net technical side of M$. Although having technical people act as "marketing" folk for products invariably brings in enthusiasm and obvious technical ability the best Marketing people are those who can play the business politics game and have/make contacts that are also political heavyweights. Unfortunately I haven't seen anyone in this role who has been involved with VFP since VFP3 days. Sad but true. Dave Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 20 May 2014 07:46 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: RE: What would you like That should have been weak not week. lol -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 20 May 2014 08:45 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: What would you like Having met Ken Levy in Prague, I was not impressed. Was not a good speaker, which for his job I would have expected. And a bit of a week character as well. So I would be surprised if he could have a say. Don't get me wrong, it is not an anti Ken comment as I could not do it either. But I think he was in the wrong job. Al [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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That should have been weak not week. lol -Original Message- From: ProfoxTech [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Allen Sent: 20 May 2014 08:45 To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: What would you like Having met Ken Levy in Prague, I was not impressed. Was not a good speaker, which for his job I would have expected. And a bit of a week character as well. So I would be surprised if he could have a say. Don't get me wrong, it is not an anti Ken comment as I could not do it either. But I think he was in the wrong job. Al ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001901cf73f7$33507160$99f15420$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Having met Ken Levy in Prague, I was not impressed. Was not a good speaker, which for his job I would have expected. And a bit of a week character as well. So I would be surprised if he could have a say. Don't get me wrong, it is not an anti Ken comment as I could not do it either. But I think he was in the wrong job. Al -Original Message- Absolutely. I still distinctly remember Boudewijn Lutgerink and his discussions and pleadings to Ken Levy (but of course, Ken wouldn't or couldn't do the right thing for properly marketing FoxPro). This one from the archives: http://leafe.com/archives/msg/207551 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/001801cf73f7$099ec470$1cdc4d50$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2014-05-19 18:12, Gene Wirchenko wrote: At 07:16 2014-05-19, Dave Crozier wrote: On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? The marketing that it deserves. Anything else is pretty much a waste of time without the marketing. Absolutely. I still distinctly remember Boudewijn Lutgerink and his discussions and pleadings to Ken Levy (but of course, Ken wouldn't or couldn't do the right thing for properly marketing FoxPro). This one from the archives: http://leafe.com/archives/msg/207551 ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/e88b4d46d797a2998b3d2aa08fa8d...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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At 07:16 2014-05-19, Dave Crozier wrote: On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? The marketing that it deserves. Anything else is pretty much a waste of time without the marketing. As I live in an apartment, I will donate to charity any ponies that I also receive. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/ ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 04:38 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: > Alan, > They haven't ... but recent announcements like making .NET open source > have at least spread some hope that other products may be open sourced. I > would think that VFP would be at the end of a very long list but a > list nevertheless! > The reason that they've given, IIRC, is that it contains third-party elements which they can't open source and at the least would have to re-implement. Don't know how true that is. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400513985.2136.119084373.60676...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 04:43 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: > Isn't a lot of VFP already open sourced? It's just the core C libraries > that aren't ... and never will be. > > I was talking with another VFP developer the other day and we were > lamenting how much more difficult it is to develop desktop applications > now. Shouldn't software development be getting easier even though the > features are getting more powerful? That doesn't seem to be the case, > but I'm getting old and more curmudgeony. > There aren't so many everything-in-one-box desktop-centric tools that are actively developed any more. There's Xojo (RealBasic as was) and a couple of similar tools, Delphi is still going, LiveCode is powerful but clings to ancient HyperCard-style syntax. The ecosystems in which these applications run now are far more powerful but also far more complex and that filters down to the development tools. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400514472.4719.119087349.406bd...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2014-05-19 11:43, Kevin Cully wrote: Isn't a lot of VFP already open sourced? It's just the core C libraries that aren't ... and never will be. I was talking with another VFP developer the other day and we were lamenting how much more difficult it is to develop desktop applications now. Shouldn't software development be getting easier even though the features are getting more powerful? That doesn't seem to be the case, but I'm getting old and more curmudgeony. Ditto. I again give POA to my brother Cully to cast votes for me on this topic. lol ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/494105cff9ca6e8ba5411fa66376f...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Right. This thought comes from what Beth Massi's blog post said that I posted here recently. On 2014-05-19 11:38, Dave Crozier wrote: Alan, They haven't ... but recent announcements like making .NET open source have at least spread some hope that other products may be open sourced. I would think that VFP would be at the end of a very long list but a list nevertheless! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 19 May 2014 16:36 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: What would you like On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 03:16 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... When did they ever say anything about open sourcing it other than saying 'it won't be' when asked? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/6e85567ff76728d5c097b3b51e059...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Isn't a lot of VFP already open sourced? It's just the core C libraries that aren't ... and never will be. I was talking with another VFP developer the other day and we were lamenting how much more difficult it is to develop desktop applications now. Shouldn't software development be getting easier even though the features are getting more powerful? That doesn't seem to be the case, but I'm getting old and more curmudgeony. On 05/19/2014 11:38 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: Alan, They haven't ... but recent announcements like making .NET open source have at least spread some hope that other products may be open sourced. I would think that VFP would be at the end of a very long list but a list nevertheless! Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537a26a0.1030...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Alan, They haven't ... but recent announcements like making .NET open source have at least spread some hope that other products may be open sourced. I would think that VFP would be at the end of a very long list but a list nevertheless! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Alan Bourke Sent: 19 May 2014 16:36 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: What would you like On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 03:16 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the > "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > When did they ever say anything about open sourcing it other than saying 'it won't be' when asked? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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AT one point I figured that they bought Fox because of Rushmore - and that it was faster than other PC Database system at the time - and that they then used that Tech and implemented it into things like Access. But - again - this is purely a guess... -K- On 5/19/2014 11:29 AM, Ted Roche wrote: As I've said before, MS bought Fox for some very specific reasons, which they are unlikely to ever blatently state in public, but it's very likely those motives involved competition, Borland, Ashton-Tate, and talent acquisition far more than whether or not VFP ran on the latest Macintosh.. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537a2541.1080...@optonline.net ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 19, 2014, at 03:16 PM, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the > "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > When did they ever say anything about open sourcing it other than saying 'it won't be' when asked? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/1400513737.1144.119081441.0cde7...@webmail.messagingengine.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM, < mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com> wrote: > > Yep. Can there be any other reason for them dropping Mac and Unix support > other than them not wanting apps for non-Windows systems (to keep the > Windows dominance)? > "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence." Believing your enemy (or opponent, or vendor) is just pure evil incarnate puts you at the disadvantage. And I don't really think incompetence was the issue, either, it's just such a pithy quote. The corporation that created the largest number of millionaires ever had some things going for it. But their motivations were likely far different from ours or from the Fox Software folks. I think that sales of VFP Mac were abysmal. The 3.0 version of the product was painfully slow and buggy, too. I don't have any idea what the sales of the UNIX product were, but I'll bet the Windows-centric MS had a lot of concerns about marketing and supporting a Unix product. I know there was an effort to move VFP from its existing C compiler to the MS compiler. Porting three platforms isn't three times harder; it's likely more like nine or twenty-seven times harder. You couldn't optimize in x86 assembler, since Mac's were 68k based at the time, and Unix ran on all sorts of scary things like PowerPC and MIPs CPUs. There had to be all sorts of issues with memory-management, video compatibility, etc. This is a huge software engineering task, and MS had to look at this in a cost-justifying business case. Why would they want to do this? I don't think the math was that hard. As I've said before, MS bought Fox for some very specific reasons, which they are unlikely to ever blatently state in public, but it's very likely those motives involved competition, Borland, Ashton-Tate, and talent acquisition far more than whether or not VFP ran on the latest Macintosh.. -- Ted Roche Ted Roche & Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/CACW6n4sh=sz0c6lg6vnarfalamqsitjhb8zxe1pyr4+yjqm...@mail.gmail.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I recall someone (YAG?) mentioning that they only sold about 100 copies of the SCO Unix licensed version of FP. Linux is much more popular of a desktop now ... at about 3% market share. It's my preferred platform and I really enjoy using Linux over Windows. On 05/19/2014 11:12 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: I think that on the Mac certainly, the change (or lack of it) came when Apple decided to create their frameworks to support application development. The first gen was Carbon and now they have moved onto Cocoa and people such as the Real Software the developers of RealBasic have suffered in the changeover so I don't think you can really blame M$ on that one. As for Linux/Unix then I think it was M$'s inability to accept that Linux/Unix existed in anything other than the SCO Xenix flavour which was totally character based. Dave ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537a2345.9010...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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I think that on the Mac certainly, the change (or lack of it) came when Apple decided to create their frameworks to support application development. The first gen was Carbon and now they have moved onto Cocoa and people such as the Real Software the developers of RealBasic have suffered in the changeover so I don't think you can really blame M$ on that one. As for Linux/Unix then I think it was M$'s inability to accept that Linux/Unix existed in anything other than the SCO Xenix flavour which was totally character based. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: 19 May 2014 16:08 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: What would you like On 2014-05-19 10:59, Kevin Cully wrote: > Cross platform. I don't want to develop for 90% of the desktops. I > want to develop applications for 99% of the desktops. > > There was a time that Fox ran on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix. It'd be > nice to have that again. Yep. Can there be any other reason for them dropping Mac and Unix support other than them not wanting apps for non-Windows systems (to keep the Windows dominance)? [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2014-05-19 10:59, Kevin Cully wrote: Cross platform. I don't want to develop for 90% of the desktops. I want to develop applications for 99% of the desktops. There was a time that Fox ran on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix. It'd be nice to have that again. Yep. Can there be any other reason for them dropping Mac and Unix support other than them not wanting apps for non-Windows systems (to keep the Windows dominance)? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/8e8a671126a90f895d22305a9af93...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Cross platform. I don't want to develop for 90% of the desktops. I want to develop applications for 99% of the desktops. There was a time that Fox ran on DOS, Windows, Mac and Unix. It'd be nice to have that again. On 05/19/2014 10:16 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537a1c34.60...@cullytechnologies.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Mike, it has actually come about in that I have taken on a junior assistant who has only been brought up on new stuff (2 years experience) and whilst I was running him through VFP ... which by the way he is most impressed with, I thought about how I would view the product were I to have just come across it and the advantages/disadvantages per se. On your points: 1. Cursor Adapters . OK, but a bit of a Kludge and messy when changing platforms when you compare it with the .Net equivalent. The best implementation of multi platform I have seen was produced with the Advantage database software that is virtually 100% VFP native table compatible. If you remember Clipper they used to have a replaceable driver set for a number of platforms. 2. Debugger - yes, you can do interactive development with VB, and in fact Basic4Android (plug, plug!!). It makes development that much easier. 3. Multithreading - one of those things that if you know its there, you can design your software to make use of it. 4. List processing would add in features that are in Python which I find really useful. 5. Cloud support - yes it would be possible using (1) and so become seamless. Oh and just in passing, the one thing that the new fella really was impressed with was the limited instruction set believe it or not. In his own words "I can learn the whole language" and not just become fluent in a subset ... I guess he is referring to the horrendous number of .net calls that are available. Funny, but I really never thought about that before. Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com Sent: 19 May 2014 15:40 To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: What would you like What brought this up, Dave? On 2014-05-19 10:16, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the > "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once > again into a market leading product? > > Just my 2 cents worth: > > 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a > driver that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. If you use the CursorAdapter class, don't you have that ability now? > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > without re-running the program That would be nice. Didn't VB allow for that? > > 3. Multithreading I know this would make it a bit for legit, but I honestly don't know that I've ever come across a need where this mattered for my travels. > > 4. Inbuilt list processing Not sure what this is? > > 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be > covered of course if (1) above were to be implimented. > > 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data I don't think that'd work with the way Foxpro pulls the info across the wire like it does. They'd have to retool the engine, making it more client/server like instead of flat file access. --Mike [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On 2014-05-19 10:23, Allen wrote: Hi Dave I would go with 3 being that web services are a big part of what I do at the moment. But it will still not resolve one even more important issue. That the product is old hat. Yes ok we all know it isn't and that with Win 8.1, stupid directories that need permissions aside, it works better than ever, and certainly better than win 7. But because M$ have abandoned it people think it's dead. And I for one cannot have a dead language product as my lying competitors make a big deal of it to sell their stuff. So more than anything I need a current, supported product. Not a dead one. Hence I am now going C#. And it's not easy going. Al You could change the datestamp of your email to something like 2007 and it'd still fit. Right? That's ALWAYS dogged the Fox. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/0c24e087427b74011709cf46b2ae1...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
What brought this up, Dave? On 2014-05-19 10:16, Dave Crozier wrote: On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? Just my 2 cents worth: 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a driver that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. If you use the CursorAdapter class, don't you have that ability now? 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without re-running the program That would be nice. Didn't VB allow for that? 3. Multithreading I know this would make it a bit for legit, but I honestly don't know that I've ever come across a need where this mattered for my travels. 4. Inbuilt list processing Not sure what this is? 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be covered of course if (1) above were to be implimented. 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data I don't think that'd work with the way Foxpro pulls the info across the wire like it does. They'd have to retool the engine, making it more client/server like instead of flat file access. --Mike ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/d7d90890268fbc2e3c9b809f2c13c...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: What would you like....
+1... sometimes debugging reports is just a pain in the a*s! Dave -Original Message- From: ProFox [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Johnson Sent: 19 May 2014 15:25 To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: What would you like On 5/19/2014 7:16 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: > On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open > source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... > > What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again > into a market leading product? > > Just my 2 cents worth: > > 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a driver > that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. > > 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly > without re-running the program > > 3. Multithreading > > 4. Inbuilt list processing > > 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be covered of > course if (1) above were to be implimented. > > 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data > > There, that's a start > > Dave > > PS - it's not very busy here at the moment... hence the diversion! > > Have the report writer throw an error! This is the single most frustrating thing with VFP for me. -- Jeff Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 http://www.san-dc.com [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/18725b8cd2d5d247873a2baf401d4ab22a50d...@ex2010-a-fpl.fpl.LOCAL ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: What would you like....
On 5/19/2014 7:16 AM, Dave Crozier wrote: On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? Just my 2 cents worth: 1. Simple integration into SQL and the ability to say just change a driver that would instantly use SQL tables as opposed to VFP ones. 2. Real time debugger with the ability to change code on the fly without re-running the program 3. Multithreading 4. Inbuilt list processing 5. Free Text indexing aka PHDbase but built in ... This would be covered of course if (1) above were to be implimented. 6. A cloud class built in to manipulate cloud data There, that's a start Dave PS - it's not very busy here at the moment... hence the diversion! Have the report writer throw an error! This is the single most frustrating thing with VFP for me. -- Jeff Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com SanDC, Inc. 623-582-0323 Fax 623-869-0675 http://www.san-dc.com ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/537a1451.8060...@san-dc.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
RE: What would you like....
Hi Dave I would go with 3 being that web services are a big part of what I do at the moment. But it will still not resolve one even more important issue. That the product is old hat. Yes ok we all know it isn't and that with Win 8.1, stupid directories that need permissions aside, it works better than ever, and certainly better than win 7. But because M$ have abandoned it people think it's dead. And I for one cannot have a dead language product as my lying competitors make a big deal of it to sell their stuff. So more than anything I need a current, supported product. Not a dead one. Hence I am now going C#. And it's not easy going. Al -Original Message- On the basis that VFP will never be updated now or taken over into the "open source" world - whatever M$ say and promise... What is it that you would like added into VFP that would make it once again into a market leading product? ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://mail.leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/004901cf736d$ed5a6eb0$c80f4c10$@com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
