[proletar] Re: tentang Rusnano dan konsep ekonomi Russia Modern...
wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: Jadi Russia ini unik, kalau komunisme adalah seluruh perusahaan dikuasai oleh negara, saat ini mereka menggabungkan komunisme dan liberalisme, saham terbesar perusahaan aset vital masih dikuasai negara, namun juga dilempar ke market liberal melalui bursa dlsb Prinsip menggabungkan koumisme dan liberalisme adalah korup, karena prinsip komunisme adalah semua produksi dan alat produksi dikuasai negara dan kebebasan dibelenggu negara, sebaliknya prinsip liberalisme adalah negara hanya mengawasi dan produksi maupun alat produksi diserahkan kepada pasar. Cara penggabungannya akan menghasilkan, para penguasa komunis akan menjadi pemilik2 saham alat2 produksi dan penguasa komunis pribadi itulah yang mengontrol produksi menjadi pengendali pasarnya. Artinya, kalo dalam negara kapitalisme yang jadi kapitalisme tidak sama dengan yang menjabat pejabat negara, tapi kalo digabung, para pejabat negara merangkap jadi kapitalisme. Dan memang sekarang Russia hancur2an karena memang digabungkan keduanya, juga Cina cuma kelihatannya aja maju diluar tapi kenyataannya rakyatnya makin miskin dan pejabat2nya makin kaya. Menggabungkan komunisme dan kapitalisme menghasilkan pejabat2 komunis yang menjadi kapitalis bukan dari usaha melainkan dari korupsi, sedangkan menghasilkan rakyat miskin bukan karena kapitalisme tapi karena diperas oleh pejabat2 komunis. Kalo dinegara kapitalis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai swasta, sebaliknya di-negara2 komunis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai negara. Kalo kedua sistem ini digabungkan, maka perusahaan2 swasta dibantu negara karena koneksi nepotisme dengan keluarga pejabat negara, dan keuntungannya tidak kembali kenegara melain ditipu oleh keluarga pejabat negara, contohya seperti BUMN meskipun untung laporannya rugi terus, dan meskipun rugi tidak pernah dilepas tetap dibantu negara terus. Inilah contohnya, bukan cuma Russia dan Cina, tapi Indonesia juga menggabungkan sistem komunis, kapitalis, dan sistem Islam. Buruh2 semua perusahaan swasta dan negara diwajibkan shalat 5 waktu ditempat kerjanya, akibatnya perusahaan bangkrut karena enggak produktif, investor dalam negeri juga cabut pindah keluar negeri, karena perusahaan itu alat produksi bukan alat pengejar pahala. Pahalanya tidak menguntungkan perusahaan, dan tidak seharusnya perusahaan menggaji pegawai untuk mengejar pahala bukan mengejar produksi. Jadi semua bentuk gabungan adalah cara kapitalis Amerika untuk menguasai negara2 tsb melalui korupsi yang tidak terkendali. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!!
Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!! Kalo dalam negara kapitalis, selalu terjadi perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah, dan penyelesaiannya melalui lobby tawar2an besarnya pajak yang harus dibayar swasta. Dinegara komunis tidak ada perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah karena tidak ada swasta dan kegiatan swasta dipegang negara. Rakyat dikorbankan untuk kemajuan negara. Hasilnya rakyatnya miskin diperah, tapi negaranya bisa maju dari pengorbanan rakyatnya. Dinegara Islam, semuanya harus Islam, dan Islam itu bukan swasta tapi seperti swasta, bukan kapitalist tetapi seperti kapitalis, dan bukan komunist tapi lebih kejam dari komunist, seperti korupsi tapi bukan korupsi, semuanya cuma untuk Allah, rakyat dikorbankan untuk kepentingan Allah, dan Allahnya itu sendiri tidak nyata tapi diwakili negaranya. Hasilnya negara enggak maju2, rakyatnya tetap miskin, hanya wakil2 Allah saja yang maju dari uang hasil perahan untuk Allah. wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: Jadi Russia ini unik, kalau komunisme adalah seluruh perusahaan dikuasai oleh negara, saat ini mereka menggabungkan komunisme dan liberalisme, saham terbesar perusahaan aset vital masih dikuasai negara, namun juga dilempar ke market liberal melalui bursa dlsb Prinsip menggabungkan koumisme dan liberalisme adalah korup, karena prinsip komunisme adalah semua produksi dan alat produksi dikuasai negara dan kebebasan dibelenggu negara, sebaliknya prinsip liberalisme adalah negara hanya mengawasi dan produksi maupun alat produksi diserahkan kepada pasar. Cara penggabungannya akan menghasilkan, para penguasa komunis akan menjadi pemilik2 saham alat2 produksi dan penguasa komunis pribadi itulah yang mengontrol produksi menjadi pengendali pasarnya. Artinya, kalo dalam negara kapitalisme yang jadi kapitalisme tidak sama dengan yang menjabat pejabat negara, tapi kalo digabung, para pejabat negara merangkap jadi kapitalisme. Dan memang sekarang Russia hancur2an karena memang digabungkan keduanya, juga Cina cuma kelihatannya aja maju diluar tapi kenyataannya rakyatnya makin miskin dan pejabat2nya makin kaya. Menggabungkan komunisme dan kapitalisme menghasilkan pejabat2 komunis yang menjadi kapitalis bukan dari usaha melainkan dari korupsi, sedangkan menghasilkan rakyat miskin bukan karena kapitalisme tapi karena diperas oleh pejabat2 komunis. Kalo dinegara kapitalis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai swasta, sebaliknya di-negara2 komunis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai negara. Kalo kedua sistem ini digabungkan, maka perusahaan2 swasta dibantu negara karena koneksi nepotisme dengan keluarga pejabat negara, dan keuntungannya tidak kembali kenegara melain ditipu oleh keluarga pejabat negara, contohya seperti BUMN meskipun untung laporannya rugi terus, dan meskipun rugi tidak pernah dilepas tetap dibantu negara terus. Inilah contohnya, bukan cuma Russia dan Cina, tapi Indonesia juga menggabungkan sistem komunis, kapitalis, dan sistem Islam. Buruh2 semua perusahaan swasta dan negara diwajibkan shalat 5 waktu ditempat kerjanya, akibatnya perusahaan bangkrut karena enggak produktif, investor dalam negeri juga cabut pindah keluar negeri, karena perusahaan itu alat produksi bukan alat pengejar pahala. Pahalanya tidak menguntungkan perusahaan, dan tidak seharusnya perusahaan menggaji pegawai untuk mengejar pahala bukan mengejar produksi. Jadi semua bentuk gabungan adalah cara kapitalis Amerika untuk menguasai negara2 tsb melalui korupsi yang tidak terkendali. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Ganja itu merusak diri sendiri, tapi agama merusak orang lain, bukan cuma orang yang dirusak agama tapi juga bangunan seperti Gereja, Mesjid, dan patung2 dibakar maupun dihancurkan. Ganja merusak diri sendiri, tapi agama juga menjarah toko2 cina, menjarah harta benda umat Ahmadiah, memperkosa massal amoy2, dan penyebab makin banyaknya bomb2 diledakkan. Ganja memang merusak ekonomi sendiri, tapi agama merusak ekonomi negara, investor kabur, rakyat jadi pengangguran dan terpaksa juga jadi terorist untuk membela agama. Ganja memang buruk, tapi agama lebih buruk lagi, karena bisa menggunakan ganja untuk mendanai penyebaran agamanya melalui teror2 jihad dengan bomb2 bunuh dirinya. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Rahyu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang meredam/memisahkan individu kedalam persatuan kekuatan revolusioner... saya berthesis, selama takhyul masih ada di kepala manusia-manusia indonesia, maka nggak akan ada revolusi fundamental... dalam analisis saya yg lain, takhyulisme membuat manusia takut bertindak/takut mati, takut menjebol, dan takhyulisme itu membuat manusia lebih asyik bermasturbasi mengejar keselamatan individu-nya di alam afterlife (dongeng) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!!
kalo nulis pake data, jangan pake dengkul... In 2010, Russia's GDP expanded 4 percent - the highest level in G8 states. This year's forecast is about 4.2 percent, he said. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@... wrote: Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!! Kalo dalam negara kapitalis, selalu terjadi perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah, dan penyelesaiannya melalui lobby tawar2an besarnya pajak yang harus dibayar swasta. Dinegara komunis tidak ada perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah karena tidak ada swasta dan kegiatan swasta dipegang negara. Rakyat dikorbankan untuk kemajuan negara. Hasilnya rakyatnya miskin diperah, tapi negaranya bisa maju dari pengorbanan rakyatnya. Dinegara Islam, semuanya harus Islam, dan Islam itu bukan swasta tapi seperti swasta, bukan kapitalist tetapi seperti kapitalis, dan bukan komunist tapi lebih kejam dari komunist, seperti korupsi tapi bukan korupsi, semuanya cuma untuk Allah, rakyat dikorbankan untuk kepentingan Allah, dan Allahnya itu sendiri tidak nyata tapi diwakili negaranya. Hasilnya negara enggak maju2, rakyatnya tetap miskin, hanya wakil2 Allah saja yang maju dari uang hasil perahan untuk Allah. wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: Jadi Russia ini unik, kalau komunisme adalah seluruh perusahaan dikuasai oleh negara, saat ini mereka menggabungkan komunisme dan liberalisme, saham terbesar perusahaan aset vital masih dikuasai negara, namun juga dilempar ke market liberal melalui bursa dlsb Prinsip menggabungkan koumisme dan liberalisme adalah korup, karena prinsip komunisme adalah semua produksi dan alat produksi dikuasai negara dan kebebasan dibelenggu negara, sebaliknya prinsip liberalisme adalah negara hanya mengawasi dan produksi maupun alat produksi diserahkan kepada pasar. Cara penggabungannya akan menghasilkan, para penguasa komunis akan menjadi pemilik2 saham alat2 produksi dan penguasa komunis pribadi itulah yang mengontrol produksi menjadi pengendali pasarnya. Artinya, kalo dalam negara kapitalisme yang jadi kapitalisme tidak sama dengan yang menjabat pejabat negara, tapi kalo digabung, para pejabat negara merangkap jadi kapitalisme. Dan memang sekarang Russia hancur2an karena memang digabungkan keduanya, juga Cina cuma kelihatannya aja maju diluar tapi kenyataannya rakyatnya makin miskin dan pejabat2nya makin kaya. Menggabungkan komunisme dan kapitalisme menghasilkan pejabat2 komunis yang menjadi kapitalis bukan dari usaha melainkan dari korupsi, sedangkan menghasilkan rakyat miskin bukan karena kapitalisme tapi karena diperas oleh pejabat2 komunis. Kalo dinegara kapitalis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai swasta, sebaliknya di-negara2 komunis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai negara. Kalo kedua sistem ini digabungkan, maka perusahaan2 swasta dibantu negara karena koneksi nepotisme dengan keluarga pejabat negara, dan keuntungannya tidak kembali kenegara melain ditipu oleh keluarga pejabat negara, contohya seperti BUMN meskipun untung laporannya rugi terus, dan meskipun rugi tidak pernah dilepas tetap dibantu negara terus. Inilah contohnya, bukan cuma Russia dan Cina, tapi Indonesia juga menggabungkan sistem komunis, kapitalis, dan sistem Islam. Buruh2 semua perusahaan swasta dan negara diwajibkan shalat 5 waktu ditempat kerjanya, akibatnya perusahaan bangkrut karena enggak produktif, investor dalam negeri juga cabut pindah keluar negeri, karena perusahaan itu alat produksi bukan alat pengejar pahala. Pahalanya tidak menguntungkan perusahaan, dan tidak seharusnya perusahaan menggaji pegawai untuk mengejar pahala bukan mengejar produksi. Jadi semua bentuk gabungan adalah cara kapitalis Amerika untuk menguasai negara2 tsb melalui korupsi yang tidak terkendali. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] The power of words-Kekuatan kata-kata
★ The power of words-Kekuatan kata-kata ★ Lihat film ini... I'm blind... Please help »»» It's a beautiful day and I can't see it Change your words »»» Change your world http://cutt.us/dxbboy_pm Ch@™ pin:21EF6D92 Charles Asiku Charles Asiku Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: ( Ali Abunimah ) Recognising Palestine?
Opinion Recognising Palestine? The efforts of the Palestinian Authority to push for statehood are nothing more than an elaborate farce, writer says. Ali Abunimah Last Modified: 13 Apr 2011 16:15 Email Article Email Print Article Print Share article Share Send Feedback Send Feedback ? If historical precedents in Lebanon and Syria are any indication, the declaration of statehood by the Palestinian Authority will have little effect, despite what Palestinian prime minister Salam Fayyad might say [GALLO/GETTY] What do you do if your decades-long campaign to bring about an independent Palestinian state on those fractions of historic Palestine known as the West Bank and Gaza Strip have resulted in total failure? The answer seems to be, if you are the Western-sponsored Palestinian Authority (PA) in Israeli-occupied Ramallah, to pretend you have a Palestinian state anyway, and to get as many other countries to join in this charade as possible. This appears to be the essence of the PA strategy to gain admittance for the State of Palestine to the UN General Assembly by September. Already, the PA is lobbying hard for countries to support the move, and in recent months a number of states, particularly in Latin America, have extended full diplomatic recognition to the Ramallah authority. The New York Times cited diplomats who say that if brought to a vote in the UN General Assembly, the measure would likely pass. A fantasy 'state' The PA's push for recognition of a Palestinian state is the diplomatic counterpart to its much-touted institution-building and economic development efforts which are supposed to create the infrastructure for a future state. But the institution-building program is nothing more than a mirage, boosted by public relations tricks and good press. In fact, the main institutions the PA has built are the police-state and militia apparatuses used to repress political opposition to the PA and any form of resistance to Israeli occupation. Meanwhile the economy of the West Bank, and the PA itself, remain completely dependent on foreign aid. UN recognition of a Palestinian make-believe state would be no more meaningful than this fantasy institution-building, and could push Palestinians even further away from real liberation and self-determination. Figures from the Ramallah-based PA have justified their UN recognition strategy as a way to bring international pressure to bear on Israel. Such recognition would create political and legal pressure on Israel to withdraw its forces from the land of another state that is recognised with the [1967] borders, Ramallah 'foreign minister' Riyad al-Malki told reporters in January. Similarly, Nabil Shaath, a top Fatah official, explained to the New York Times that if a Palestinian state were recognised by the UN: Israel would then be in daily violation of the rights of a fellow member state and diplomatic and legal consequences could follow, all of which would be painful for Israel. But can anyone who has seen how the international community functions when it comes to Israel believe such delusional expectations? Lebanon has been a member state of the United Nations since 1945 and yet this did not prevent Israel from occupying southern Lebanon from 1978 until 2000. Israel's occupation of Lebanon ended not because of any international pressure, but only because the Lebanese resistance drove Israel and its collaborating militias out. Since its massive bombardment of Lebanon in 2006, Israel has violated Lebanon's sovereignty thousands of times according to the UN itself. But its constant overflights of Lebanese airspace and kidnapping of Lebanese citizens among other violations has never prompted diplomatic and legal consequences to hold Israel accountable. Similarly, since 1967 Israel has occupied the Golan Heights, which belong to Syria (also a UN member since 1945). There has been virtually no armed resistance on the Golan Heights nor has there been any international pressure for Israel to withdraw or for Syrian refugees to return to their homes. Even after Israel illegally annexed the territory in 1981 a move condemned by the UN Security Council the international community's silence has allowed Israel's colonisation of the Golan Heights to continue unabated. Why would the situation in the State of Palestine be any different? 'Paper' victories The effort to seek diplomatic recognition for an imaginary Palestinian state on a fraction of historic Palestine is a strategy of desperation from a Palestinian leadership that has run out of options, lost its legitimacy, and become a serious obstacle in the way of Palestinians regaining their rights. Relying heavily on diplomatic forums and the good will of the international community has also been tried before and produced no results. Recall that in 2004, the PA expended enormous efforts to obtain an advisory ruling from the
[proletar] Wah panas....
Wah panas.. Wah keringatan. Setelah jogging sejam sepuluh menit mulut saya terasa kering. Sebelum jogging saya juga memang cuman minum susu asam (karnemelk) segelas... Tapi saya tetap jogging sejauh 11 km. Dan sampai kembali dirumah setelah 108 menit satu detik.. Ouf... Keringatan. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Hehehe Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia, makanya ga ada satu ekor muslim yg berani bilang bhw ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu adalah ajaran bejad krn itu berarti bilang Islam itu bejad. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:36:27 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel udah dijawab phedopike itu urusan vatican, langsung dah ngeles oot. lu ngga ada bedanya sama si junkie tua jusfiq yang oot mulu. well, ada sih bedanya dikit, kalo si jusfiq anjing tua kalo elu anjing sipit. in a way, keduanya sama2 anjing tolol pemakan taik. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Betul kan yg gua bilang, ga akan ada satu ekor muslim yg akan ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana yg bersifat umum tsb. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 10:52:14 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe ga ada orang Islam yg berani jawab apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan. hehehe..., phedophilia itu kan bukan urusan orang islam, itu urusan vatican. lagian, korbannya kan 'alter boys'. ngapain orang islam ikut campur urusan vatican? seperti perintah alkitab untuk elu, piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu elu sendiri, seperti kelakuan tuhan jesus. itu nggak perlu ikut campur. tapi, kalo urusan ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini orang, baru dah boleh ikut campur, karna hal itu sudah mengganggu keamanan masyarakat sosial. Kenapa ga ada satu ekor jg yg berani jawab? iya ya.. kenapa elu nggak berani jawab ya? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] The Special One...
Hehehe... si rezameutia ini jg doyan jilat pantat sendiri, ngakunya ga pernah ngefitnah. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:17:07 AM Subject: [proletar] The Special One... Jose Mourinho memang hebat dan layak mendapat julukan 'The Special One'. Selama karir sebagai manager sepak bola dari mulai Porto sampe Real Madrid, Jose Morinho selalu mendapatkan gelar juara. Ditambah lagi, selama karirnya Jose Mourinho rekor 149 tidak pernah kalah dikandang dan baru terkalahkan ketika dipukul Sporting Gijon 0-1 kemarin. Kemarin. JM membuktikan lagi kepiawaiannya dengan menundukkan 'The Mighty' Barcelona dan merebut 'Copa del Rey'. Dalam pertandingan kemarin, Jose Mourinho merubah strategi dari pertandingan 'El Clasico' hari Sabtu sebelumnya. Pemain kesayangan Mourinho, Mezut Ozil dipasang sejak awal dengan strategi yang membingungkan, Real Madrid bermain tanpa striker di depan. Benzema dan Adebayor tidak bermain, baru setelah akhir pertandingan Adebayor masuk menggantikan Mezut Ozil. Pujian untuk Jose Mourinho makin bertaburan, He is phenomenon kata Casillas. He is captain of the ship.., kata Sergio Ramos. Memang tidak ada kata lain, Jose Mourinho is the best. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Hehehe apa ayub_yahya dan hasan basri akan ngikutin jejak rezameutia ngefitnah gua? Ga aneh koq kalo mereka jg ikutan rame2 ngefitnah, maklum aja, ayub_yahya dan hasan basri itu doyan ngeloco rame2. Kalo perlu, sekalian suryana jg, krn suryana itu ga jauh ketinggalan koq dibandingkan hasan basri. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:33:07 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., si item muke kontol kebingungan dikasih tahu alkitab isinya nggak ada bedanya dengan buku porno. lalu, mewek2 ke semua orang mengatakan gw menyebar fitnah. saking tolol dan nggak tau malunya si item muke kontol, dia neymbah2 ke habe dan suryana supaya ikutan ngomong urusan gw dengan dia. kemaren, dia mendoakan keluarga suryana kena musibah, sekarang dia nyembah2 suryana supaya ikutan ngomong. ya tolol... orang kristen kayak si item muke kontol yang mengikuti perintah alkitab untuk ngncuk anak sendiri sampe buntibf, ngencuk bini orang sampe bunting, sudah tentu tolol dan dungu. tem, lu udah piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu elu, seperti kelakuan tuhan jesus? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe. From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 9:54:30 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe..., kan emang sudah terbukti bahwa lu adalah kristen yang taat. sebagai kristen yang taat lu ikutin perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri, ngencuk bini tetangga, dan tentunya lu juga piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibu lu, seperti layaknya tuhan jesus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe ga ada urusan Alkitab ngajarin apa dgn apa yg gua perbuat. Emangnya, kapan gua pernah bilang bhw gua nurutin semua yg ada di Alkitab? Yg lu fitnah adalah gua, bukan ALkitab. Lu bilang gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Buktikan deh ocehan lu ini, kan lu udah jilat pantat besar2an dgn bilang ga pernah ngefitnah. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 8:58:10 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel lha.., itu memang diajarkan di alkitab kan? elu sebagai kristen yang taat tentunya melakukan perintah alkitab, ngencuk anak sendiri sampe bunting dan ngencuk istri tetangga sampe bunting. begitu kan sesuai perintah di alkitab?? --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Apa bukannya lu pernah ngefitnah gua ngencukin anak sendiri? Tp lu ini omong gede ga pernah fitnah, hehehe Emang orang Islam itu ga bisa dipercaya omongannnya sama sekali. From: rezameutia rezameutia@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 6:06:56 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Jusfiq kesayangan.allah@ wrote: rezameutia kalap dan terus memfitnah... saya tidak pernah fitnah.. anda sendiri yang mengakui menghisap ganja dan minum alkohol setiapa hari sehingga otak anda menjadi ciut seperti biji peler. Dia fitnah kami tidak membaca buku saat kami datang dengan bukti bahwa menurut sumber islam sendiri, yaitu hadits sahih Bukhari dan sirah nabi tu nabi anjing ngawinin Aisyah ketika tu bcah berumur 6 tahun dan dientotinnnya ketika Aisyah berumur 9 tahun. Dan dia juga nggak bisa bantah apa yang dikatakan Wong dan bangmossad yaitu: hadis/ cerita/ riwayat .. udah jelas palsu atau setidaknya tidak bisa
[proletar] CNN: Mass protests unfold on 'Great Friday' in Syria
Mass protests unfold on 'Great Friday' in Syria By Joe Sterling and Nada Husseini, CNN April 22, 2011 -- Updated 1240 GMT (2040 HKT) Protesters demonstrating against the government of Bashar al-Assad on Tuesday, April 19 in Banias, Syria. STORY HIGHLIGHTS * NEW: Demonstrations get going in Syria * Groups urge Syria not to suppress protests expected in several cities * More than 200 people said to be killed since demonstrations began (CNN) -- Thousands of Syrian protesters spilled onto the streets on Friday, another showing of mass discontent toward the government. Witnesses reported demonstrations in the capital of Damascus, where people chanted slogans and tear gas was fired amid a moderate security presence. In the southern city of Daraa, where the protests got their start last month, people shouted dignity and freedom. Amateur video obtained by CNN show demonstrations in Baniyas, Kiswah, and Homs. CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the material. There was no immediate comment from the government about the gatherings. There have been daily demonstrations across Syria for weeks and huge rallies have been common in the authoritarian state after Friday prayers across the predominantly Muslim nation. As people gathered to express their grievances toward the government, they've frequently been greeted with police force. Amnesty International says the death toll has exceeded 228 since the demonstrations began in mid-March. Human rights groups have been urging the government to refrain from cracking down on peaceful turnouts during what is a Facebook-inspired outpouring dubbed Great Friday. The turnouts come a day after President Bashar al-Assad lifted the country's 48-year-old state of emergency and abolish the state security court, both key demands of demonstrators who've taken to the streets. It is imperative that these demonstrations are policed sensibly, sensitively and in accordance with international law to avoid further bloodshed on Syria's streets, Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's director for the Middle East and North Africa, said on Thursday. These 'Great Friday' protests could be the largest yet. If government security forces resort to the same extremely violent tactics they have used over the past month, the consequences could be exceedingly grave. Human Rights Watch also called on authorities to permit Syrians to exercise their right to peaceful assembly on Friday. It said the president's decision to lift the state of emergency will only be meaningful if Syria's security services stop shooting, detaining and torturing prisoners, Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch said on Thursday. The group says it has documented a regular pattern of arbitrary detention of protesters, activists and journalists, many of whom have been tortured and mistreated. The emergency law permitted the government to make preventive arrests and override constitutional and penal code statutes. The security court was a special body that prosecuted people regarded as challenging the government. Al-Assad's decrees on Thursday also included recognizing and regulating the right to peaceful protest. They also extended the period that security forces can hold suspects in certain crimes. Human Rights Watch says the decrees don't address the extensive immunity that Syrian law provides to members of its security services. It urged al-Assad to undertake more change, such as releasing political prisoners and those arrested for peaceful protests, order probes in security force violations, ensure detainees prompt access to a lawyer, and amend repressive provisions of the penal code. It said the government, which is controlled by the Baath Party, should enact a political parties' law in compliance with international human rights norms. Such a law would allow the establishment of independent political parties. The Syrian people want real reforms, and such reforms cannot take place as long as Syria's security services are above the law and can violate people's basic rights at will, Stork said. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] BBC: Syria: Assad troops 'fire on Friday prayers protesters'
22 April 2011 Last updated at 12:37 GMT Syria: Assad troops 'fire on Friday prayers protesters' Mobile phone image of Syrian troops in Homs (21 April 2011) Few images are emerging from Syria as international news organisations are being refused entry Syrian troops are reported to have opened fire on protesters as thousands marched after Friday prayers against President Bashar al-Assad's government. At least three people were injured near Damascus, witnesses said, and reports said security forces opened fire near protesters in Homs and in Hama. In concessions to protesters on Thursday, President Assad formally ended five decades of emergency rule. Human rights groups say more than 200 people have died in weeks of protests. A spokesman for Human Rights Watch (HRW) said Mr Assad has the opportunity to prove his intentions by allowing (Friday's) protests to proceed without violent repression. The reforms will only be meaningful if Syria's security services stop shooting, detaining, and torturing protesters, said Joe Stork, HRW's deputy Middle East director. Clear demands Despite the concessions, reports from the streets of Syria's cities on Friday suggested violence had once again broken out. At least three people were injured when troops opened fire in Douma, on the outskirts of Damascus, witnesses said. Thousands took to the streets in Douma. I helped carry three people the bullets hit in the leg, one witness told Reuters by phone. Rallies were also reported the southern city of Deraa, where protests in March were quelled with deadly force. News agencies quoted witnesses as saying that the protesters were calling for the downfall of Mr Assad's government. International news organisations are largely refused entry to Syria at the moment, limiting the scope of the information they can gather about events there. As the demonstrations resumed, an umbrella group representing Syrian protesters issued a statement saying the anti-government protesters wanted nothing less than a rapid reformulation of our national institutions. The statement, under the name of the Syrian local organising committees demanded: * An end to torture, killings, arrests and violence against demonstrators * Three days of state-sanctioned mourning for deaths so far * An independent investigation into the deaths of protesters and judicial proceedings in the light of evidence revealed * Release of all political prisoners * Reform of Syria's constitution, including a two-term presidential limit 'Armed insurrection' The Syrian government says it is listening to protesters' demands and President Assad is pushing through a programme of reforms. Thursday's concessions included abolishing state security courts and allowing peaceful protests. President Bashar al-Assad President Bashar al-Assad says protesters' demands for reform have been heard However, other laws give the government wide-ranging powers to detain activists and suppress dissent. The new law requires Syrians to seek permission from the interior ministry for demonstrations. Some lawyers have said this continues to restrict the freedom of assembly in the same way as the emergency law. President Assad said last week there would be no more excuse for demonstrations once the state of emergency had been lifted. But analysts say increasing numbers of opposition activists are calling for the downfall of the regime. The state of emergency was brought down, not lifted, prominent Syrian activist Suhair Atassi wrote on her Twitter page. It is a victory as a result of demonstrations, protests and the blood of martyrs who called for Syria's freedom. Syria's unprecedented wave of unrest has been inspired by uprisings against authoritarian regimes in Tunisia and Egypt. However, Damascus has said an armed insurrection by Salafist groups is taking place in Homs and further north in Baniyas. Salafism is a strict form of Sunni Islam which many Arab governments equate with militant groups like al-Qaeda. Demonstrations against Mr Assad's ruling Baath Party began in the southern city of Deraa in mid-March and quickly spread to other towns and cities. The unrest poses the gravest threat to his rule since he succeeded his father Hafez al-Assad 11 years ago. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. ... Euhhh... kalo guru ngaji ente pgimana heh ? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Aljazeera: Syrians hold 'Great Friday' protests
Middle East Syrians hold 'Great Friday' protests Protests come as activists demand an end to Baath Party monopoly on power and the establishment of a democratic system. Last Modified: 22 Apr 2011 11:00 Email Article Email Print Article Print Share article Share Send Feedback Send Feedback Thousands of people have reportedly taken to the streets in Damascus for rallies on what activists have dubbed Great Friday, hoping to see the largest protests in Syria to date against Bashar al-Assad, the president. Rallies were also held in Daraa, Qamishli, and Hasakah. The Reuters news agency quoted witnesses saying security forces used teargas to disperse protesters in the Damascus district of Midan. A witness told Al Jazeera that demonstrators gathering at a mosque after prayers in Hasakah in the mainly Kurdish northeast were attacked by pro-government protesters. Syrian activists co-ordinating mass protests against al-Assad's rule have demanded the abolition of Baath Party monopoly on power and the establishment of a democratic political system. In the first joint statement since protests erupted five weeks ago, the Local Co-ordination Committees, representing provinces across Syria, said freedom and dignity slogans cannot be achieved except through peaceful democratic change. All prisoners of conscience must be freed. The existing security apparatus has to be dismantled and replaced by one with with specific jurisdiction and which operates according to law, said the joint statement. Al Jazeera's Cal Perry, reporting from the capital, Damascus, said protests were expected in over 40 cities across the country. The big question on everybody's minds is: what will we see here in the capital. Last Friday people tried to march into the capital but they were turned back by tear gas. What we see now is that security forces are pre-empting protests by positioning themselves in the centre of towns like Homs and Daraa, so it will be difficult for the protesters to get to the centre of these towns when the security forces are already there. Witnesses said security forces were setting up checkpoints in areas surrounding Damascus, checking people's ID cards. The demonstrations will test whether Assad's decision to lift emergency law, imposed by his Baath Party when it took power in a coup 48 years ago, will defuse mass discontent with repression and corruption. We are determined on totally peaceful protests... we rejoice at the downfall of the state of emergency. It was not lifted, it was toppled... With the help of God, we will embark on freedom, a comment on a Facebook page run by activists said. Residents organised neighbourhood patrols after activists said 21 protesters were shot dead on Monday and Tuesday in Homs by security police and gunmen known as 'al-shabbiha'. Aided by his family and a pervasive security apparatus, Assad, 45, has absolute power in Syria. More than 220 protesters have been killed since pro-democracy protests erupted on March 18 in the southern city of Daraa, rights campaigners say. A decree Assad signed on Thursday that lifted emergency law is seen by the opposition as little more than symbolic, since other laws still give entrenched security forces wide powers. Human Right Watch said Assad has the opportunity to prove his intentions by allowing [Friday's] protests to proceed without violent repression. The reforms will only be meaningful if Syria's security services stop shooting, detaining, and torturing protesters, Joe Stork, the group's deputy Middle East director, said. Army patrols Soldiers in groups of five patrolled the streets of Homs overnight on foot. Plain-clothed security police and security police wearing camouflage uniforms were also present, two witnesses said. Emergency rule has been used since Assad's Baath Party seized power to justify arbitrary arrests and detention and a ban on all opposition. Assad's conciliatory move to lift the state of emergency followed a familiar pattern since the unrest began a month ago: pledges of reform are made before Friday when demonstrations are the strongest, and are usually followed by an intense crackdown. The authorities have blamed armed groups, infiltrators and Sunni Muslim armed groups for provoking violence at demonstrations by firing on civilians and security forces. Western and other Arab countries have mostly muted their criticism of the killings in Syria for fear of destabilising the country, which plays a strategic role in many of the conflicts in the Middle East. Syria is technically at war with Israel but has kept its Golan Heights front quiet since a 1974 ceasefire. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies Email Article Email Print Article Print Share article Share Send Feedback Send Feedback Topics in this article People * Bashar al Assad * Cal Perry * Joe Stork Country * Syria * Israel City * Damascus
[proletar] Aljazeera: Syrians hold 'Great Friday' protests
* Middle East Syrians hold 'Great Friday' protests Protests come as activists demand an end to Baath Party monopoly on power and the establishment of a democratic system. Last Modified: 22 Apr 2011 11:00 Thousands of people have reportedly taken to the streets in Damascus for rallies on what activists have dubbed Great Friday, hoping to see the largest protests in Syria to date against Bashar al-Assad, the president. Rallies were also held in Daraa, Qamishli, and Hasakah. The Reuters news agency quoted witnesses saying security forces used teargas to disperse protesters in the Damascus district of Midan. A witness told Al Jazeera that demonstrators gathering at a mosque after prayers in Hasakah in the mainly Kurdish northeast were attacked by pro-government protesters. Syrian activists co-ordinating mass protests against al-Assad's rule have demanded the abolition of Baath Party monopoly on power and the establishment of a democratic political system. In the first joint statement since protests erupted five weeks ago, the Local Co-ordination Committees, representing provinces across Syria, said freedom and dignity slogans cannot be achieved except through peaceful democratic change. All prisoners of conscience must be freed. The existing security apparatus has to be dismantled and replaced by one with with specific jurisdiction and which operates according to law, said the joint statement. Al Jazeera's Cal Perry, reporting from the capital, Damascus, said protests were expected in over 40 cities across the country. The big question on everybody's minds is: what will we see here in the capital. Last Friday people tried to march into the capital but they were turned back by tear gas. What we see now is that security forces are pre-empting protests by positioning themselves in the centre of towns like Homs and Daraa, so it will be difficult for the protesters to get to the centre of these towns when the security forces are already there. Witnesses said security forces were setting up checkpoints in areas surrounding Damascus, checking people's ID cards. The demonstrations will test whether Assad's decision to lift emergency law, imposed by his Baath Party when it took power in a coup 48 years ago, will defuse mass discontent with repression and corruption. We are determined on totally peaceful protests... we rejoice at the downfall of the state of emergency. It was not lifted, it was toppled... With the help of God, we will embark on freedom, a comment on a Facebook page run by activists said. Residents organised neighbourhood patrols after activists said 21 protesters were shot dead on Monday and Tuesday in Homs by security police and gunmen known as 'al-shabbiha'. Aided by his family and a pervasive security apparatus, Assad, 45, has absolute power in Syria. More than 220 protesters have been killed since pro-democracy protests erupted on March 18 in the southern city of Daraa, rights campaigners say. A decree Assad signed on Thursday that lifted emergency law is seen by the opposition as little more than symbolic, since other laws still give entrenched security forces wide powers. Human Right Watch said Assad has the opportunity to prove his intentions by allowing [Friday's] protests to proceed without violent repression. The reforms will only be meaningful if Syria's security services stop shooting, detaining, and torturing protesters, Joe Stork, the group's deputy Middle East director, said. Army patrols Soldiers in groups of five patrolled the streets of Homs overnight on foot. Plain-clothed security police and security police wearing camouflage uniforms were also present, two witnesses said. Emergency rule has been used since Assad's Baath Party seized power to justify arbitrary arrests and detention and a ban on all opposition. Assad's conciliatory move to lift the state of emergency followed a familiar pattern since the unrest began a month ago: pledges of reform are made before Friday when demonstrations are the strongest, and are usually followed by an intense crackdown. The authorities have blamed armed groups, infiltrators and Sunni Muslim armed groups for provoking violence at demonstrations by firing on civilians and security forces. Western and other Arab countries have mostly muted their criticism of the killings in Syria for fear of destabilising the country, which plays a strategic role in many of the conflicts in the Middle East. Syria is technically at war with Israel but has kept its Golan Heights front quiet since a 1974 ceasefire. Source: Al Jazeera and agencies Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
[proletar] mengeluh....
ada saatnya manusia rapuh... kini saatnya aku mengeluh... my mom memintaku menyetop semuanya... padahal aku dipersimpangan jalan, untuk mendalami fisika quantum, mazhab ekonomi, dan filsafat materialisme.. aku memang sedang menjalin kasih, untungnya dia tahu kalo aku lg fokus memahami 'materialisme... bukan apa-apa... saya melihat ada yg salah dng negeri ini... karena takhyulisme kuat menancap di setiap kepala manusia indonesia... dan hanya bisa dibersihkan dengan pengetahuan ilmiah... terror juga sudah mulai masuk... biasanya aku tidak mempedulikannya... tapi hari ini ketika kesehatanku menurun (badanku demam tinggi), dan rapuh, aku merasakan sesak di dada dan kepala... mungkin aku harus melihat pidatonya VI Lenin untuk membangkitkan rasa tidak menyerah... syukur2 ada yg mengirimi lagu, agar hari esok ceria terang benderang... hal yg tidak mudah, tapi harus never give up... --- 22-4-2011 Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
bagaimanapun para jihadis itu termotivasi karena mengejar 'kepentingan' individunya, yaitu afterlife di sorga... sekali lagi, saya punya thesis, agama adalah urusan individual, sekaligus membuat manusia (semakin fanatis) terpisah dari komunalnya agama seperti bius...ini thesis yg sudah lama di eropa.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang
rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab... Karena dia tidak bisa membantah omongan orang kafir yang bilang bahwa ajaran agamanya itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitf, maka sejak bertahun-tahun kerjanya di mailing list ini terutama menyebar fitnah dan dusta serta pamer fikiran busuknya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. =reza tukang fitnah?anda sunguhan cengeng rupanyamanja pula Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. =Oooh itu hanya khayalan anda sajaanda tidak mengikuti ajaran kasih dari jesus christus super star rupanya. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe. =Rupanya tukang fitnah di-mana2 sama saja,selalu ingin membenar kan diri sendiri..tukang fitnah begitu adanya. --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date:
[proletar] Arab News: GCC draws road map for Saleh's departure
Arab news GCC draws road map for Saleh's departure By GHAZANFAR ALI KHAN SAEED AL-BATATI| ARAB NEWS Published: Apr 21, 2011 23:15 Updated: Apr 21, 2011 23:15 RIYADH/SANAA: The six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) presented Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh on Thursday a revised version of its proposal to defuse the crisis in the country . The latest proposal calls for the resignation of the president within 30 days from the date of its acceptance. It guarantees that Saleh will not be prosecuted and a new government in Sanaa will be installed within 90 days from the date of Saleh's departure. This new plan was presented by GCC Secretary-General Abdullatif Al-Zayani, who held wide-ranging talks with Saleh in the Yemeni capital Thursday, said a spokesman of the GCC General Secretariat in Riyadh. The spokesman said that Al-Zayani and Saleh discussed the proposal, which calls for installation of a unity government with 50 percent of the members from the ruling party, 40 percent from the opposition groups and 10 percent from other factions. The proposal, supported by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, asks all parties to ensure the holding of a presidential poll within two months from the date of Saleh's departure. Yemen's official Saba news agency quoted the president as welcoming the GCC's diplomatic efforts to end the crisis and expressed his readiness to positively deal with the efforts to restore Yemen's stability, security and unity. The new GCC proposal also grants legal immunity to Saleh, members of his family and officials of his presidency as well as his close aides once power is transferred and a new government installed. The spokesman said that Al-Zayani's talks with other Yemeni officials including opposition members on Thursday in Sanaa also covered GCC-Yemen relations. He said that Yemen had been in negotiations with the GCC for membership and hoped to join the group by 2016. The GCC has already approved Yemen's accession to several GCC panels, including the GCC Standardization Authority, Gulf Organization for Industrial Consultancy (GOIC), GCC Auditing and Accounting Authority and Gulf Radio TV Authority. It is unclear how Yemen's membership negotiations with the GCC will proceed during the crisis or when the new government comes to power in Sanaa. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, secretary-general of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, has underscored the OIC's support for the GCC initiative, which he said aimed to find a way out of the current crisis and preserve Yemen's stability, security and unity. © 2010 Arab News Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] in principal...
dari my facebook... In principal, kapitalism adalah create kebutuhan/ketergantungan untuk dijual ke negara lain, sedangkan sosialisme/komunisme adalah create kebebasan/independent,dan suatu state mampu mencukupi kebutuhannya sendiri tanpa banyak ketergantungan dari negara lain, seperti visi Russia modern, kuasai hulu/energi sampai hilir/advance ekonomi/teknologi... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
Bagaimanakah seharusnya guru agama mengajar? Kalao sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji bagaimanakah sampeyan akan mengajari para santri tentang Israk Miraj dimana di kisahkan bahwa nabi Muhammad melakukan perjalanan dalam sekejap naik Buroq dari Masjidil Haram ke Masijidil Aqso terus ke Sidratul muntaha bertemu dengan Alloh untuk menerima perintah solat. Apakah ini yang sampeyan maksud sebagai dongengan tolol. Karena sesungguhnya cerita hanyalah sebuah cerita fiksi yang jelas tidak masuk akal Atau sampeyan akan membuat rasionalisasi, misalnya dengan mengatakan, Buroq itu memang hanya kiasan, Buroq itu bermakna mlebu sak jroning rok atao masuk kedalam baju wanita, yang berarti nabi Muhammad sesungguhnya tidak kemana mana tetapi berdiam di rumah istrinya, tapi nabi Muhammad melamun dan menghayal bisa terbang kemana mana. Namanya juga menghayal maka tidak heran dalam sekejap dia bisa berada di Masjidil Harom kemudian sekejap berikutnya ke Masjidil Aqso dan seterusnya, wong namanya juga melamun. Jika sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji, bagaimanakah sampeyan akan menjelaskan kepada para santri tentang eksodus bangsa Israel dari Mesir menuju tanah perjanjian yang dipimpin oleh Musa. Dimana dikisahkan dalam pelarian itu Musa memukulkan tongkatnya ke laut kemudain laut itu terbelah menjadi seperti daratan sehingga bangsa Israel bisa menyeberang dengan selamat. Inikah kisah dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksudkan? Apakah sampeyan akan mengatakan kepada para santri bahwa kisah ini hanyalah fiksi, sebab mana mungkin ada tongkat yang ajaib seperti tongkat Musa. Keajaiban tongkat Musa hanya bisa ditandingi oleh senjata yang fiktif juga milik prabu Kresna yaitu sebuah senjata Cakra, keajaiban Cakra sungguh ngedab ngedabi, saking hebatnya senjata ini bila di arahkan ke gunung , gunung gugur, segara asat, bantolo mbledag. Karena cakra hanya senjata fiktif, pastilah tongkat musa juga fiktif. Dongengan ini akan menjadi dongengan tolol apabila dongeng fiktif dianggap cerita yang betul betul terjadi. Jika seorang santri mengejar pertanggung jawaban lebih lanjut mengapa ada alat transportasi yang begitu ajaib dan tidak masuk akal seprti Buroq, jawabnya ITU KEHENDAK ALLOH, demikian juga dengan tongkat musa yang ajaib dan tidak masuk akal jawabnya juga ITU SUDAH KEHENDAK ALLOH, dengan demikian ALLOH menjadi sesuatu yang tidak masuk akal, yang tahayul Sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa wabah ulat di jawatimur adalah azab Alloh, karena manusia sudah ingkar terhadap hulum2 Alloh. Sama tahayulnya dengan anggapan yang mengatakan bahwa tsunami di Aceh yang membunuh jutaan orang adalah Azab Alloh, sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa gempa di Pengandaran, cilapa joga yang menelan korban ratusan orang juga azab Alloh, karena penduduk pantai selatan masih membuat sesaji sedekah laut untul nyi Roro kidul. Dengan demikian Alloh menjadi sesuatu yang sangat kejam. Diatas hanyalah sebagian kecil dari kisah kisah dalam pelajaran agama, tapi bagaimanapun juga biarlah sampeyan sendiri yang menyampaiakn kisah kisah itu agar supaya kisah itu tidak menjadi DONGENGAN TOLOL seperti yang sampeyan maksud Rahayu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. Ini nggak beda dengan gejala anak sekolah yang alergi pelajaran susah hanya lantaran gurunya nggak becus ngajar. Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) --- Wong wong_gendeng05@ wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Rahyu --- wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang meredam/memisahkan individu kedalam persatuan kekuatan revolusioner... saya berthesis, selama takhyul masih ada di kepala manusia- manusia indonesia, maka nggak akan ada revolusi fundamental... dalam analisis saya yg lain, takhyulisme membuat manusia takut bertindak/takut mati, takut menjebol, dan takhyulisme itu membuat manusia lebih asyik bermasturbasi mengejar keselamatan individu-nya di alam
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...(Saya kira salah ketik..
Anda menulis: tsunami di Aceh yang membunuh jutaan orang adalah Azab Alloh, Saya kira ini salah ketik. Tapi inti perkataan anda benar: adalah tahayul untuk bilang bahwa tsunami dan petaka lainnya itu adalah azab Allah - yang nota bene tidak berbukti ada. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Bagaimanakah seharusnya guru agama mengajar? Kalao sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji bagaimanakah sampeyan akan mengajari para santri tentang Israk Miraj dimana di kisahkan bahwa nabi Muhammad melakukan perjalanan dalam sekejap naik Buroq dari Masjidil Haram ke Masijidil Aqso terus ke Sidratul muntaha bertemu dengan Alloh untuk menerima perintah solat. Apakah ini yang sampeyan maksud sebagai dongengan tolol. Karena sesungguhnya cerita hanyalah sebuah cerita fiksi yang jelas tidak masuk akal Atau sampeyan akan membuat rasionalisasi, misalnya dengan mengatakan, Buroq itu memang hanya kiasan, Buroq itu bermakna mlebu sak jroning rok atao masuk kedalam baju wanita, yang berarti nabi Muhammad sesungguhnya tidak kemana mana tetapi berdiam di rumah istrinya, tapi nabi Muhammad melamun dan menghayal bisa terbang kemana mana. Namanya juga menghayal maka tidak heran dalam sekejap dia bisa berada di Masjidil Harom kemudian sekejap berikutnya ke Masjidil Aqso dan seterusnya, wong namanya juga melamun. Jika sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji, bagaimanakah sampeyan akan menjelaskan kepada para santri tentang eksodus bangsa Israel dari Mesir menuju tanah perjanjian yang dipimpin oleh Musa. Dimana dikisahkan dalam pelarian itu Musa memukulkan tongkatnya ke laut kemudain laut itu terbelah menjadi seperti daratan sehingga bangsa Israel bisa menyeberang dengan selamat. Inikah kisah dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksudkan? Apakah sampeyan akan mengatakan kepada para santri bahwa kisah ini hanyalah fiksi, sebab mana mungkin ada tongkat yang ajaib seperti tongkat Musa. Keajaiban tongkat Musa hanya bisa ditandingi oleh senjata yang fiktif juga milik prabu Kresna yaitu sebuah senjata Cakra, keajaiban Cakra sungguh ngedab ngedabi, saking hebatnya senjata ini bila di arahkan ke gunung , gunung gugur, segara asat, bantolo mbledag. Karena cakra hanya senjata fiktif, pastilah tongkat musa juga fiktif. Dongengan ini akan menjadi dongengan tolol apabila dongeng fiktif dianggap cerita yang betul betul terjadi. Jika seorang santri mengejar pertanggung jawaban lebih lanjut mengapa ada alat transportasi yang begitu ajaib dan tidak masuk akal seprti Buroq, jawabnya ITU KEHENDAK ALLOH, demikian juga dengan tongkat musa yang ajaib dan tidak masuk akal jawabnya juga ITU SUDAH KEHENDAK ALLOH, dengan demikian ALLOH menjadi sesuatu yang tidak masuk akal, yang tahayul Sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa wabah ulat di jawatimur adalah azab Alloh, karena manusia sudah ingkar terhadap hulum2 Alloh. Sama tahayulnya dengan anggapan yang mengatakan bahwa tsunami di Aceh yang membunuh jutaan orang adalah Azab Alloh, sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa gempa di Pengandaran, cilapa joga yang menelan korban ratusan orang juga azab Alloh, karena penduduk pantai selatan masih membuat sesaji sedekah laut untul nyi Roro kidul. Dengan demikian Alloh menjadi sesuatu yang sangat kejam. Diatas hanyalah sebagian kecil dari kisah kisah dalam pelajaran agama, tapi bagaimanapun juga biarlah sampeyan sendiri yang menyampaiakn kisah kisah itu agar supaya kisah itu tidak menjadi DONGENGAN TOLOL seperti yang sampeyan maksud Rahayu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@ wrote: Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. Ini nggak beda dengan gejala anak sekolah yang alergi pelajaran susah hanya lantaran gurunya nggak becus ngajar. Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) --- Wong wong_gendeng05@ wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Rahyu --- wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang
[proletar] Aljazeera: Syrian security forces shoot protesters
Middle East Syrian security forces shoot protesters Dozens reported dead in bloodiest day of uprising so far as Great Friday demonstrations rock several cities. Last Modified: 22 Apr 2011 14:42 As many as 70 people were reported to have been killed in Syria on the bloodiest day of the uprising, as security forces use live ammunition and tear gas to quell anti-government protests across the country. Activists sent a list naming 70 people from across the country who they said had been killed by security forces during the Great Friday protests. Fifteen of the deaths took place in Izraa, near the flashpoint southern town of Daraa, according to the list. One person was killed in Damascus, where security forces also fired tear gas to disperse protesters, other sources confirmed. This was the first death at the hands of security forces in the capital since the uprising against the government of Bashar al-Assad began. Deaths were also reported in the Damascus suburb of Douma, as well as in Homs, Syria's third largest city, and in Daraa and other towns. The protesters took to the streets to mark what activists dubbed Great Friday - protests that could turn out to be the biggest against the government to date. Al Jazeera's Rula Amin reported from Damascus, which until now was relatively calm, that the level of tension in the city on Friday marked a new point in the uprising. This day is turning into a very bloody day, probably the bloodiest since the protests started, Al Jazeera's Rula Rmin reported from Damascus. In the capital, however, a heavy security presence prevented protests from taking off. Obviously the government wanting to make a point, the capital is a redline and they will not allow the protests to reach the capital. Referring to the use of live bullets and tear gas by security forces across the country, she said that the level of violence has escalated. A government spokesperson told Al Jazeera on Friday that security forces would fire on protesters only if they were fired upon first. State television, meanwhile, aired a talk show where speakers blamed foreign media, including Al Jazeera, Al Arabiya and BBC Arabic, for inciting the protests. Violence in Homs A witness in Homs told Al Jazeera by phone that one of those killed in the city by government officers was a 25-year-old protester named Mohammed Bassam al-Kahil. Speaking under condition of anonymity, the activist described how about 200 protesters, moving ahead of a 3,000-strong group, came under fire as they marched down Cairo Street, close to the Clock Square that has been the city's focus for protests. Suddenly the security opened fire on us randomly, the man said. Meanwhile, a witness in Hasakah, in Syria's mainly Kurdish northeast, told Al Jazeera that demonstrators gathering at a mosque after prayers were attacked by pro-government protesters. Syrian activists co-ordinating the protests against al-Assad's rule have demanded the abolition of his Baath Party's monopoly on power and the establishment of a democratic political system. In the first joint statement since protests erupted five weeks ago, the Local Co-ordination Committees, representing provinces across Syria, said freedom and dignity slogans cannot be achieved except through peaceful democratic change. All prisoners of conscience must be freed. The existing security apparatus has to be dismantled and replaced by one with specific jurisdiction and which operates according to law, said the joint statement. Contest of wills On the eve of the protests, witnesses said security forces were setting up checkpoints in areas surrounding Damascus, checking people's ID cards. The demonstrations are a test of whether Assad's decision to lift emergency law, imposed by his Baath Party when it took power in a coup 48 years ago, will defuse mass discontent with repression and corruption. Haitham Maleh, who heads the Syrian Human Rights Association, a civil-rights group, told Al Jazeera that the regime's reforms only went a fraction of the way towards satisfying the protesters' demands for more freedom, democracy and the legalisation of opposition parties. The government will not do anything, I think, and the strikes will get bigger and bigger, he said. A spokeswoman for Syria's information ministry says security forces could open fire if protesters shoot first Al Jazeera's Amin said that because one of the conditions for the newly gained right to protest was to request a permit, today's protests fell outside of the changes. There was no time for anyone to ask for permission for today, she said. Aided by his family and a pervasive security apparatus, Assad, 45, has absolute power in Syria. More than 220 protesters have been killed since pro-democracy protests erupted on March 18 in Daraa, rights campaigners say. A decree Assad signed on Thursday that lifted emergency law is seen by the opposition as
[proletar] France24: Security forces open fire as thousands rally for freedoms
Muslim militant organisations for provoking violence at demonstrations by firing on civilians and security forces. Western and other Arab countries have mostly muted their criticism of the killings in Syria for fear of destabilising the country, which plays a strategic role in many of the conflicts in the Middle East. Syria is technically at war with Israel but has kept its Golan Heights front with the Jewish state quiet since a 1974 ceasefire. It has long borders with Iraq, and supports the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas and the Shi'ite Hezbollah movement in neighbouring Lebanon, also backed by Iran. Source URL: http://www.france24.com/en/20110422-syrians-protest-assad-reform-promises-emergency-law Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] CNN: More than 30 dead in protests as violence erupts across Syria
More than 30 dead in protests as violence erupts across Syria By the CNN Wire Staff April 22, 2011 -- Updated 1646 GMT (0046 HKT) Syrian anti-government protesters taking part in a demonstration in Banias in northeastern Syria on Friday April 22, 2011. Syrian anti-government protesters taking part in a demonstration in Banias in northeastern Syria on Friday April 22, 2011. STORY HIGHLIGHTS * Deaths reported in Homs, Izraa, Harasta and Damascus suburbs * Groups have urged Syria not to suppress protests * More than 200 people were said to be killed before Friday's marches (CNN) -- Security forces fired on demonstrators during mass protests across Syria Friday, killing at least 33 people in another bloody day of confrontation between government forces and demonstrators. The deaths came as thousands of Syrian protesters defiantly marched after Muslims' weekly prayers, another showing of mass discontent toward the government. An opposition leader in Homs confirmed four deaths and more than 30 wounded as security forces fired on demonstrators. Protesters raced from the main streets for cover and have taken refuge in smaller streets and alleys where they are waiting for the situation to calm. An eyewitness said one of those slain was a 41-year-old demonstrator who was shot in the neck. A witness in Douma said eight people died and around 25 were wounded when security forces fired on several thousand protesters. Riot police and secret police comprised the security forces and a sniper on a hospital roof was seen taking shots at people. Pellets and lethal rounds were used, the witness said, as people chanted for the downfall of the regime. A doctor in the Damascus suburb of Moadamy said thousands of citizens were fired on in an indiscriminate and disproportionate manner. Four died and about 80 were wounded, and heavy gunfire continued to ring through the streets, he said adding that the situation is chaotic and the condition of many of the injured is deteriorating. Five people were slain in the Damascus suburb of Zamalka, a witness said. Wissam Tarif, a human rights activist, said security forces also fired on demonstrators in Izraa, located near the southern city of Daraa. He said demonstrators wanted to join the protesters in Daraa, but were shot as they advanced. Nine died and others were wounded, he said. Two people in Izraa also confirmed what they said was an assault on demonstrators and many casualties. Will protests resume in Syria? RELATED TOPICS * Damascus (Syria) * Syria * Protests and Demonstrations In Daraa, where the protests got their start last month, people shouted dignity and freedom. Activist Razan Zaitouneh in Damascus said security forces in the suburb of Sit Zainab fired on demonstrators tearing down a statue of Hafez al-Assad, the president's late father and the former ruler of Syria. She said three people were wounded when security forces opened fire in Hasaka in the northeast. An activist in Harasta in the south said 2,000 to 3,000 people met with a fierce crackdown by security forces, and heavy gunfire could be heard as the eyewitness spoke on the phone. Three people have been killed and nine injured in protest, the source said, angry demonstrators burned down a police station. Witnesses reported demonstrations in the capital, Damascus, where people chanted slogans and tear gas was fired amid a moderate security presence. Amateur video obtained by CNN purportedly shows demonstrations in Homs, Damascus, Banias, Kiswah, and Qamlishi. CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the material. There was no immediate comment from the government about the gatherings. There have been daily demonstrations across Syria for weeks and huge rallies have been common in the authoritarian state after Friday prayers across the predominantly Muslim nation. As people gathered to express their grievances toward the government, they've frequently been greeted with force from police. Amnesty International said before Friday's marches the death toll had exceeded 228 since the demonstrations began in mid-March. Human rights groups have been urging the government to refrain from cracking down on peaceful turnouts during what is a Facebook-inspired outpouring dubbed Great Friday. The turnouts come a day after President Bashar al-Assad lifted the country's 48-year-old state of emergency and abolish the state security court, both key demands of demonstrators who've taken to the streets. It is imperative that these demonstrations are policed sensibly, sensitively and in accordance with international law to avoid further bloodshed on Syria's streets, Malcolm Smart, Amnesty International's director for the Middle East and North Africa, said on Thursday. These 'Great Friday' protests could be the largest yet. If government security forces resort to the same extremely violent tactics they have used over the past month,
Re: [proletar] tentang agama atau takhyul...
Berarti analisismu tentang manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati pijimana wan? Besok-besok kalau nganalisis sebaiknya deket-deket jendela supaya bisa sambil liat-liat keluar. Sebab, di luar sana umumnya orang pake obat bius sesuai takaran kebutuhan. Cuma mereka yang nggak tau apa-apa atau sengaja salah-gunain aja yang pakenya ngawur atau sedikit serakah. Melihat masalah itu perlu cukup dekat. Tapi juga berjarak. Kalau jarak hilang itu bukan lagi melihat, tapi melibatkan diri. --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: bagaimanapun para jihadis itu termotivasi karena mengejar 'kepentingan' individunya, yaitu afterlife di sorga... sekali lagi, saya punya thesis, agama adalah urusan individual, sekaligus membuat manusia (semakin fanatis) terpisah dari komunalnya agama seperti bius...ini thesis yg sudah lama di eropa.. --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] mengkaji guru
--- kim kimhook@... wrote: --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. ... Euhhh... kalo guru ngaji ente pgimana heh ? Guru ngaji saya banyak. Mulai dari ngaji huruf (abc gitu), ngaji angka (sampe akar logaritma), ngaji fisika, ngaji sejarah, olahraga, musik, masak, macem-macem. Tapi yang paling berkencan adalah guru ngaji biologi yang cantik itu (pernah say ceritain di sini). Sedangkan yang paling berkesan adalah salahsatu guru ngaji agama yang males ngomongin sorga-neraka dan lebih suka membesarkan hati murid-muridnya dengan cerita-cerita anekdot yang ada-ada saja. Murid-murid nggak pernah dikasih tau kotor adalah blabla, bersih adalah blabla. Tapi cukup, mana yang kotor? Coba bersihin. Mana yang bersih? Jaga jangan sampe rusak (kalo jadi kotor toh bisa dibersihin). Buat dia yang namanya didefinisi sepertinya ya cuma tai kucing. Atau, cuma tai kucing yang pantes dia kasih definsi. Nah, adek mau jadi guru ngaji saya juga boleh. Tar tinggal kita liat, adek termasuk guru ngaji yang definisinya bijimana.. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] lagi, mengkaji guru
Jadi betul, kesel sama guru agama dulu? :) Bicara kalao, taruhlah sampeyan murid dan saya gurunya. Taruhlah saya cerita Isra Miraj Israel ulet bulu kidul persis seperti maunya sampiyan di bawah. Lalu apa sampeyan percaya cuma saya satu-satunya sumber cerita tsb di dunia ini? --- Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Bagaimanakah seharusnya guru agama mengajar? Kalao sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji bagaimanakah sampeyan akan mengajari para santri tentang Israk Miraj dimana di kisahkan bahwa nabi Muhammad melakukan perjalanan dalam sekejap naik Buroq dari Masjidil Haram ke Masijidil Aqso terus ke Sidratul muntaha bertemu dengan Alloh untuk menerima perintah solat. Apakah ini yang sampeyan maksud sebagai dongengan tolol. Karena sesungguhnya cerita hanyalah sebuah cerita fiksi yang jelas tidak masuk akal Atau sampeyan akan membuat rasionalisasi, misalnya dengan mengatakan, Buroq itu memang hanya kiasan, Buroq itu bermakna mlebu sak jroning rok atao masuk kedalam baju wanita, yang berarti nabi Muhammad sesungguhnya tidak kemana mana tetapi berdiam di rumah istrinya, tapi nabi Muhammad melamun dan menghayal bisa terbang kemana mana. Namanya juga menghayal maka tidak heran dalam sekejap dia bisa berada di Masjidil Harom kemudian sekejap berikutnya ke Masjidil Aqso dan seterusnya, wong namanya juga melamun. Jika sampeyan menjadi guru ngaji, bagaimanakah sampeyan akan menjelaskan kepada para santri tentang eksodus bangsa Israel dari Mesir menuju tanah perjanjian yang dipimpin oleh Musa. Dimana dikisahkan dalam pelarian itu Musa memukulkan tongkatnya ke laut kemudain laut itu terbelah menjadi seperti daratan sehingga bangsa Israel bisa menyeberang dengan selamat. Inikah kisah dongengan tolol yang sampeyan maksudkan? Apakah sampeyan akan mengatakan kepada para santri bahwa kisah ini hanyalah fiksi, sebab mana mungkin ada tongkat yang ajaib seperti tongkat Musa. Keajaiban tongkat Musa hanya bisa ditandingi oleh senjata yang fiktif juga milik prabu Kresna yaitu sebuah senjata Cakra, keajaiban Cakra sungguh ngedab ngedabi, saking hebatnya senjata ini bila di arahkan ke gunung , gunung gugur, segara asat, bantolo mbledag. Karena cakra hanya senjata fiktif, pastilah tongkat musa juga fiktif. Dongengan ini akan menjadi dongengan tolol apabila dongeng fiktif dianggap cerita yang betul betul terjadi. Jika seorang santri mengejar pertanggung jawaban lebih lanjut mengapa ada alat transportasi yang begitu ajaib dan tidak masuk akal seprti Buroq, jawabnya ITU KEHENDAK ALLOH, demikian juga dengan tongkat musa yang ajaib dan tidak masuk akal jawabnya juga ITU SUDAH KEHENDAK ALLOH, dengan demikian ALLOH menjadi sesuatu yang tidak masuk akal, yang tahayul Sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa wabah ulat di jawatimur adalah azab Alloh, karena manusia sudah ingkar terhadap hulum2 Alloh. Sama tahayulnya dengan anggapan yang mengatakan bahwa tsunami di Aceh yang membunuh jutaan orang adalah Azab Alloh, sama tahayulnya dengan pendapat yang mengatakan bahwa gempa di Pengandaran, cilapa joga yang menelan korban ratusan orang juga azab Alloh, karena penduduk pantai selatan masih membuat sesaji sedekah laut untul nyi Roro kidul. Dengan demikian Alloh menjadi sesuatu yang sangat kejam. Diatas hanyalah sebagian kecil dari kisah kisah dalam pelajaran agama, tapi bagaimanapun juga biarlah sampeyan sendiri yang menyampaiakn kisah kisah itu agar supaya kisah itu tidak menjadi DONGENGAN TOLOL seperti yang sampeyan maksud Rahayu --- ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Ini sih omongan orang-orang yang kesel sama guru agamanya (yang ngajarin agama dengan dongengan tolol) tapi lalu meyakini agama itu setolol dongengan gurunya. Ini nggak beda dengan gejala anak sekolah yang alergi pelajaran susah hanya lantaran gurunya nggak becus ngajar. Sekarang, coba kasih wawan kesempatan untuk jelasin analisanya soal hubungan antara agama, takhyul, dan takut mati, di alinea terakhir itu. Lalu, kita dengarkan juga pendapatnya tentang orang-orang yang bilang pelaku bom bunuhdiri itu tindakannya dipengaruhi agama. Atau cuma mau asyik posting obrolan sendiri terus? :) --- Wong wong_gendeng05@... wrote: Meskipun agama adalah setahayul tahayulnya tahyul, dan membuat pemeluknya kehilangan rasionalitasnya, namun sisi postif agama adalah bahwa agama bisa menjadi obat generik paling murah bagi orang orang yang malang. Agama adalah pengganja masa. tak ada ganja yang lebih murah dari pada agama. Rahyu --- wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: agama... sekali lagi agama... adalah belief system yg membuat manusia mencari keselamatan subyektif, keselamatan individu, sehingga membuat manusia memisahkan diri dari komunitas universalnya, agama-lah yang meredam kesadaran kelas... agama-lah yang meredam/memisahkan
[proletar] [Dokumen Tercecer ] Gus Dur: Tap XXV/ MPRS/ 1966 Bertentangan dengan UUD 45
Monday, November 29, 2010 Gus Dur: Tap XXV/ MPRS/ 1966 Bertentangan dengan UUD 45 PMII CABANG KOTA SALATIGA Document : Selasa, 01 Oktober 2002 00:00 Tokoh Islam KH Abdurrahman Wahid (Gus Dur) menyatakan pelarangan terhadap paham Komunisme dan Leninisme justru bertentangan dengan Undang- Undang Dasar 1945. “Kita harus mengacu kepada UUD 45. Karena UUD 45 memberikan kebebasan berfikir, berorganisasi, berkumpul dan menyatakan pendapat. Ini adalah hal-hal prinsipil yang harus digunakan dalam hidup berbangsa.” Oleh karena itu, pemerintah harus meninjau kembali peraturan dan UU yang bertentangan dengan UUD 45. “Karena itu saya mengusulkan untuk mencabut TAP MPRS No. 25/MPRS/1966 yang memasung paham Marxsisme dan Leninisme.” Demikian Gus Dur ketika menjadi salah satu pembicara dalam acara bedah buku biografi dr. Ribka Tjiptaning Proletariyati dengan judul “Aku Bangga Menjadi Anak PKI” di gedung Yayasan Tenaga Kerja Indonesia, Jakarta, Selasa (1/10) siang. Tampak pembicara lain, filosofis Franz Magnis Soeseno, eks napol PKI dan rencananya menghadirkan pakar politik dari CSIS, J. Kristiadi. Menurut Gus Dur keberadaan paham Marxisme dan Leninisme tidak bisa dilarang, karena paham bekerja di otak manusia. “Selama masih dipakai dan difikirkan dia akan berjalan sendiri. Dan yang dapat dilarang itu institusi bukan paham.” Namun Ia juga mengkritik pihak Partai Komunisme Indonesia (PKI) yang mengkritik paham lain tanpa menawarakan modifikasi sistem. “Jika terus begitu maka PKI akan menjadi indoktriner dan itu bertentangan dengan komunisme itu sendiri.” Gus Dur menambahkan kekeliruan lain PKI untuk mencapai orientasinya adalah tidak menghargai apa yang dihasilkan pihak lain. “Itu justru bertentangan dengan teori yang dikemukakan bapaknya komunisme, Vladimir Illich Lenin. Lenin mengatakan agar kaum komunis jangan dihinggapi penyakit kekanak-kanakan kaum kiri atau leftist infantilism disease. Maksudnya semuanya tidak dianggap jika bukan aku (komunis) yang menghasilkan,” jelas Gus Dur. Minta Maaf Dalam kesempatan itu Gus Dur mengakui massa Nahdlatul Ulama ikut serta dalam pembunuhan terhadap anggota PKI tahun 1965 hingga 1966. “Karena itu yang dapat saya lakukan adalah tanggung jawab moral. Saya meyakinkan kawan-kawan di NU dulu berbuat salah, maka harus meminta maaf. “ Tapi, kata Gus Dur, minta maafpun mereka belum mau, untuk itu mereka perlu waktu. “Sebenarnya, massa NU ikut serta dalam pembunuhan itu juga disebabkan kekeliruan yang diciptakan penguasa Orde Baru,” ujar Gus Dur. Sumber: http://salatigapmii.blogspot.com/2010/11/gus-dur-tap-xxv-mprs-1966-bertentangan.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang
Hebatnya, si rezameutia ini dgn gagahnya bilang dia ga pernah ngefitnah. From: Jusfiq kesayangan.al...@gmail.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 9:31:47 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel (rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang rezameutia: ikon hasil kekejian ajaran Islam yang dungu, buas, kejam, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab... Karena dia tidak bisa membantah omongan orang kafir yang bilang bahwa ajaran agamanya itu dungu, buas, kejam, keji, zalim, ganas, buas lagi biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitf, maka sejak bertahun-tahun kerjanya di mailing list ini terutama menyebar fitnah dan dusta serta pamer fikiran busuknya. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe si rezameutia ini omong gede ga pernah ngefitnah, padahal jelas2 dia ngefitnah gua dgn nuduh gua ngencukin anak sendiri. Emang koq, orang Islam itu ga punya malu sama sekali, udah kepergok ngefitnah dan ngibul, terus aja mereka kaing2 sekeras2nya. Si rezameutia ini lagi berjihad ngibul dan ngefitnah di jalan auloh, hehehe... From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 8:47:43 AM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel tuh kan mewek2 mulu. lu mewek ama si jusfiq junkie tua aja dah. gw nggak abis pikir ama kelakuan si anjing sipit penjilat kontol, kok demen banget mewek2 sama orang lain minta bantuan supaya ikutan ngomong. kenapa kalo elu ngomg sendiri sama gw? nggak pede ya?! hehehe kelakuan si item anjing sipit ini sama persis seperti kelakuan si jusfiq anjing tua. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: Hehehe... si rezameutia dan tawangalun itu ngefitnah gua, lu ini berpihak ke siapa? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 4:30:55 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. =Oooh sungguh2 sempit cara berfikir anda,jangankan manusia kucing/anjing tersasar saja perlu kita belaberi perlindungan memadai cara berfikir anda sangat sektarian hanya mementingkan golongan sendiri golongan lain bukan bahagian saya tidak seagama bukan teman saya tidak sependapat pasti musuh saya sungguh2 kacau anda ini. banyak posting anda menjurus kesitu,mungkin anda punya masalah besar/trauma dengan lingkungan/pergaulan dimana anda tinggal? --- On Thu, 4/21/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote: From: item abu itemabu@ Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011, 1:31 PM Hehehe orang Islam lagi ngebela sodara berimannya yg jadi tukang fitnah. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@ To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 3:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe si rezameutia ini lagi kaing2 ngalihin topik dr soal dia ngefitnah gua ke topik lain. =Badut ini selalu curiga melihat orang2 disekeliling nya padahal tidak ada yang bicara tentang dia Udah jelas koq pemahaman gua ttg Alkitab itu ga sama dgn pertunjukan kebusukan hasil mlintir2 oleh orang2 Islam di milis ini, jadi gua tau persis bhw Alkitab ga pernah nyuruh ngencuk anak sendiri misalnya. =Berapa tahun baca alkitab?berapa tahun memeluk agama kresten? apakah anda pendatang baru?apakah anda memang sejak dilahirkan sudah beragama kresten? Jadi, gimana bisa gua ngencukin anak sendiri, nurut gua Alkitab ga nyuruh gitu koq. Dan gua sendiri jg bilang ngencukin anak sendiri itu adalah perbuatan bajingan, dan gua ini bukan bajingan spt nabi islam. =Kenapa tidak?anda itu dari ocehan saja sudah tampak sebagai bajingan. atau anda sungguh2 adalah korban dari pedophile? rezameutia ini ngefitnah, tp ga mau ngaku salah dan terus ngefitnah, sambil jilat pantat sendiri bhw dia ga pernah ngefitnah. =reza tukang fitnah?anda sunguhan cengeng rupanyamanja pula Ga masalah koq buat gua kalo orang2 Islam ngefitnah tanpa kenal malu, ini justru ngebuktikan apa yg gua bilang bhw Islam itu emang agama yg benar bagi para bajingan keparat. =Oooh itu hanya khayalan anda sajaanda tidak mengikuti ajaran kasih dari jesus christus super star rupanya. Ngomong2, apa kira2 si habe akan kaing2 bhw si rezameutia ini ngefitnah sbg reaksi atas apa yg gua bilang di milis ini? Bisa jadi, lalu berikutanya mungkin si habe jg akan ikutan ngefitnah tanpa malu2, heheh... Lalu suryana mungkin jg akan ikut maki2 ga keruan, hehehe.
[proletar] Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned
Hehehe ulama Islam mau berjihad di jalan auloh ngelawan kebatilan berupa anti pedophilia krn anti pedophilia itu ngelawan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Dgn kata lain, pedophilia itu emang merupakan hukum auloh dan sunnah nabi. Tp kalo gua yg ngomong begitu, maka gua dibilang ngefitnah dan tukang ngencukin anak sendiri, kalo ulama yg bilang gitu, maka gua lagi yg dituduh ngefitnah. Ini nunjukin Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt para bajingan keparat, bukan? Bangladesh: Islamic cleric threatens jihad if child marriage is banned Surely, Islamic apologists in the West will get right on the line to this guy and explain that, no, Aisha was 16, 18, didn't know how old she was, was only nine in Galapagos tortoise-years, or whatever other excuse they might cook up. The problem? Islamic texts and traditions say otherwise, and Muslims follow them. Indeed, the heart of the problem is this: Muhammad did it. The example of Muhammad, a beautiful pattern of conduct according to Qur'an 33:21, cannot be set aside, or standards he set updated, lest one imply Muhammad made a mistake. That would not only insult Muhammad (things seem to become flammable when that happens) but go against the Qur'an's endorsement of him, and therefore Allah's. That is why child marriage persists in the Islamic world, from Nigeria to Yemen to Indonesia: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). -- Bukhari 7.62.88 Islamist leader threatens of waging Jihad, from Weekly Blitz, April 20 (thanks to Weasel Zippers): Notorious pro-Taliban Islamist clergy in Bangladesh, Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini has threatened to wage jihad in the country if the government will pass any law banning child marriage. He said, two hundred thousand Jihadists of his group are ready to 'sacrifice' lives if any such law, which goes against Koran and Sunnah will be passed by the current government in the country. He says it: Mufti Amini said, Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam, who also married minor Ayesha, when she was just eight years old. He said, The new law initiated by the current government will put the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge. Fazlul Haque Amini further said, Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women. It may be mentioned here that, current government in Bangladesh has taken several measures in ensuring better rights to the women thus treating child marriage as severe offense. It also recommends equal distribution of properties amongst male and female inherits. In contrary, Islamic Sharia law gives lesser rights to women as far as inheritance is concerned. It also allows men to marry any infant girl child. It may be mentioned here that, such law is prevalent in most of the Islamic republics, while in Iran, even forceful sexual relations with the married infant is allowed. A large segment of Muslim scholars and secularist individuals term this as mere perversion. But child marriage remains A-OK. In Bangladesh, especially in the rural areas, child marriage is very regular phenomenon, where hundreds of child mothers die due to lack of medical facilities as well as for pre-mature pregnancy. There are even cases of deaths of child wives being virtually raped by their husbands. Child marriage is prevalent in rural Bangladesh both amongst the Muslim and non-Muslim families. Several weeks back, Islamist clergy Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim launched a movement of 'combating anti-Islam actions' by the government in Bangladesh. Since then, hundreds and thousands of followers of these fanatic leaders are active in various forms of demonstrations around the country. It is also reported in media that, minor boys in the Koranic Madrassas were forced join most of the anti-government demonstrations of these leaders. According to unofficial statistics, there are roughly 9 million students attending various madrassas in Bangladesh. Mutfti [sic] Fazlul Haque Amini is branded as a 'political tout' in Bangladesh, who is virtually making millions by selling Jihadist notion amongst the people. He is under payroll of various Islamist groups including Pakistani intelligence agency ISI. Amini maintains closer ties with Al-Qaeda, Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, Lashkar-e-Toiba and militant outfits inside Kashmir. He also is actively involved in recruiting local youths for participating in 'Jihad' in Kashmir, Palestine and other places in the world. Both Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini and Moulana Rezaul Karim are known for their extreme opinion against United States, Israel and the West. They also patronize various
[proletar] Indonesia: Jihadists wanted to film, broadcast murderous church bombing
Ternyata kalo pejihd Islam bikin film, ceritanya ga lebhi dr seputar ngebantai, ngebom, motong leher kafir. Indahnya Islam itu, hehehe Indonesia: Jihadists wanted to film, broadcast murderous church bombing Reveling in gore for their bloodthirsty god. More on this story. Militants wanted to film, broadcast Indonesian church attack, police say, by Niniek Karmini for The Associated Press, April 22: JAKARTA, Indonesia — Islamic militants involved in a plot to bomb an Indonesian church ahead of Easter celebrations wanted to film and broadcast the inferno, which would have occurred as thousands of people were arriving for services, police said Friday. The plot, uncovered Thursday, has put the nation in a state of high alert with hundreds of thousands of police deployed at churches, 20,000 in the capital alone. Maj. Gen. Anton Bachrul Alam, spokesman for the national police, said the 19 suspects who led authorities to bombs planted beneath a gas pipeline near the Christ Cathedral Church just outside of Jakarta did not appear to be part of any large, existing terrorist organization They wanted to make a movie and then broadcast it ... that was the plan, he said In recent months, militants have shifted their focus. In seeking to carve out a Muslim state, their main enemies now are security forces who have spearheaded the anti-terror fight, the country's moderate Muslim leaders, members of deviant sects, and Christians. Individual jihadis and small cells with little or no directive from larger terror groups have attacked police posts, sent mail bombs and carried out the country's first suicide bombing at a mosque The bombs, safely diffused after a painstaking 10 hours on Thursday, had been rigged to go off at 9 a.m. Friday, just as services at the 3,000-seat Catholic church were beginning. Worshippers were not deterred, filing into the targeted Christ Cathedral Church in Serpong and others nationwide on Friday. If we didn't come today ... the terrorists would just be laughing happily, said Grace Lianawati, who was accompanied by her family. We're just grateful that the government foiled this plot, she added. Just imagine how bad it could have been Not hard to imagine. And the jihadis will keep trying to supply us with examples.Posted by Robert on April 22, 2011 8:18 AM | 12 Comments [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!!
wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: In 2010, Russia's GDP expanded 4 percent - the highest level in G8 states. This year's forecast is about 4.2 percent, he said. Judul tulisan saya bukanlah membandingan GDP melainkan membandingkan system2 yang terkorup. GDP bisa naik sangat tinggi dan tajam apabila korupsi terjadi besar2an. Jadi GDP yang anda kemukakan hanyalah salah satu bukti bahwa korupsi sangan meluas. http://www.scribd.com/doc/13218126/Corruption-Threatens-Chinas-Future Tajamnya kenaikan GDP di China disebabkan korupsinya berjamaah sehingga bisa mendongkrak GDP. GDP adalah gross domestic product, jadi meskipun tinggi tapi GDP-nya itu sebagian besar merupakan bagian yang lari ke koruptor. Dan paling cepat meningkatkan GDP adalah dengan korupsi. GDP yang merata sebagai penghasilan yang meningkat dari rata2 rakyatnya biasanya tidak akan naik secara tajam melain bertahap. Russia dan China termasuk negara yang GDP-nya naik mendadak secara tajam dan juga turunnya mendadak secara tajam. Hal ini bukan gambaran perbaikan income rakyatnya melainkan gambaran besarnya korupsi yang terjadi dinegara ybs. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1608666 Jadi kenaikan GDP dari Russia yang anda banggakan itu ternyata 50% larinya ke koruptor. http://www.sq.4mg.com/Ted.htm GDP bukanlah indikator bertambah baiknya ekonomi negara atau bertambah baiknya kesejahteraan penduduknya, ada kalanya berkaitan dengan tingkat tingginya korupsi disatu negara seperti di Russia dan China. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@ wrote: Perbandingan Sistem2 Kapitalis, Komunis Dan Islam !!! Kalo dalam negara kapitalis, selalu terjadi perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah, dan penyelesaiannya melalui lobby tawar2an besarnya pajak yang harus dibayar swasta. Dinegara komunis tidak ada perdebatan antara swasta dan pemerintah karena tidak ada swasta dan kegiatan swasta dipegang negara. Rakyat dikorbankan untuk kemajuan negara. Hasilnya rakyatnya miskin diperah, tapi negaranya bisa maju dari pengorbanan rakyatnya. Dinegara Islam, semuanya harus Islam, dan Islam itu bukan swasta tapi seperti swasta, bukan kapitalist tetapi seperti kapitalis, dan bukan komunist tapi lebih kejam dari komunist, seperti korupsi tapi bukan korupsi, semuanya cuma untuk Allah, rakyat dikorbankan untuk kepentingan Allah, dan Allahnya itu sendiri tidak nyata tapi diwakili negaranya. Hasilnya negara enggak maju2, rakyatnya tetap miskin, hanya wakil2 Allah saja yang maju dari uang hasil perahan untuk Allah. wawan selarasmilis@ wrote: Jadi Russia ini unik, kalau komunisme adalah seluruh perusahaan dikuasai oleh negara, saat ini mereka menggabungkan komunisme dan liberalisme, saham terbesar perusahaan aset vital masih dikuasai negara, namun juga dilempar ke market liberal melalui bursa dlsb Prinsip menggabungkan koumisme dan liberalisme adalah korup, karena prinsip komunisme adalah semua produksi dan alat produksi dikuasai negara dan kebebasan dibelenggu negara, sebaliknya prinsip liberalisme adalah negara hanya mengawasi dan produksi maupun alat produksi diserahkan kepada pasar. Cara penggabungannya akan menghasilkan, para penguasa komunis akan menjadi pemilik2 saham alat2 produksi dan penguasa komunis pribadi itulah yang mengontrol produksi menjadi pengendali pasarnya. Artinya, kalo dalam negara kapitalisme yang jadi kapitalisme tidak sama dengan yang menjabat pejabat negara, tapi kalo digabung, para pejabat negara merangkap jadi kapitalisme. Dan memang sekarang Russia hancur2an karena memang digabungkan keduanya, juga Cina cuma kelihatannya aja maju diluar tapi kenyataannya rakyatnya makin miskin dan pejabat2nya makin kaya. Menggabungkan komunisme dan kapitalisme menghasilkan pejabat2 komunis yang menjadi kapitalis bukan dari usaha melainkan dari korupsi, sedangkan menghasilkan rakyat miskin bukan karena kapitalisme tapi karena diperas oleh pejabat2 komunis. Kalo dinegara kapitalis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai swasta, sebaliknya di-negara2 komunis, maka perusahaan2 dikuasai negara. Kalo kedua sistem ini digabungkan, maka perusahaan2 swasta dibantu negara karena koneksi nepotisme dengan keluarga pejabat negara, dan keuntungannya tidak kembali kenegara melain ditipu oleh keluarga pejabat negara, contohya seperti BUMN meskipun untung laporannya rugi terus, dan meskipun rugi tidak pernah dilepas tetap dibantu negara terus. Inilah contohnya, bukan cuma Russia dan Cina, tapi Indonesia juga menggabungkan sistem komunis, kapitalis, dan sistem Islam. Buruh2 semua perusahaan swasta dan negara diwajibkan shalat 5 waktu ditempat kerjanya, akibatnya perusahaan bangkrut karena enggak produktif, investor dalam negeri juga cabut pindah keluar negeri, karena perusahaan itu alat produksi
Re: [proletar] Indonesia: Jihadists wanted to film, broadcast murderous church bombing
Apa si suryana ini masih akan kaing2 bhw Islam itu agama damai? Udah pasti, soalnya kan gerejanya ga jadi dibom, hehehe... From: item abu item...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, April 23, 2011 5:28:37 AM Subject: [proletar] Indonesia: Jihadists wanted to film, broadcast murderous church bombing Ternyata kalo pejihd Islam bikin film, ceritanya ga lebhi dr seputar ngebantai, ngebom, motong leher kafir. Indahnya Islam itu, hehehe Indonesia: Jihadists wanted to film, broadcast murderous church bombing Reveling in gore for their bloodthirsty god. More on this story. Militants wanted to film, broadcast Indonesian church attack, police say, by Niniek Karmini for The Associated Press, April 22: JAKARTA, Indonesia — Islamic militants involved in a plot to bomb an Indonesian church ahead of Easter celebrations wanted to film and broadcast the inferno, which would have occurred as thousands of people were arriving for services, police said Friday. The plot, uncovered Thursday, has put the nation in a state of high alert with hundreds of thousands of police deployed at churches, 20,000 in the capital alone. Maj. Gen. Anton Bachrul Alam, spokesman for the national police, said the 19 suspects who led authorities to bombs planted beneath a gas pipeline near the Christ Cathedral Church just outside of Jakarta did not appear to be part of any large, existing terrorist organization They wanted to make a movie and then broadcast it ... that was the plan, he said In recent months, militants have shifted their focus. In seeking to carve out a Muslim state, their main enemies now are security forces who have spearheaded the anti-terror fight, the country's moderate Muslim leaders, members of deviant sects, and Christians. Individual jihadis and small cells with little or no directive from larger terror groups have attacked police posts, sent mail bombs and carried out the country's first suicide bombing at a mosque The bombs, safely diffused after a painstaking 10 hours on Thursday, had been rigged to go off at 9 a.m. Friday, just as services at the 3,000-seat Catholic church were beginning. Worshippers were not deterred, filing into the targeted Christ Cathedral Church in Serpong and others nationwide on Friday. If we didn't come today ... the terrorists would just be laughing happily, said Grace Lianawati, who was accompanied by her family. We're just grateful that the government foiled this plot, she added. Just imagine how bad it could have been Not hard to imagine. And the jihadis will keep trying to supply us with examples.Posted by Robert on April 22, 2011 8:18 AM | 12 Comments [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Red Cross Admits: “There is No Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza”
Hehehe orang Islam di Gaza itu hidup dr bantuan orang lain, sambil kerjanya mau musnahin Israel. Dan jg kafir tentunya spt si Arrigoni misalnya. Tolol ga tuh yg terus ngasih duit ke orang Palestina? Red Cross Admits: “There is No Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza” April 22nd, 2011 | Author: Un:dhimmi A scene from 'humanitarian crisis' Gaza Note to Flotidiots: No need for any more of your Loser Cruisers: Deputy ICRC head in Strip notes Gazan supermarkets have food, slams Hamas rocket fire, but says Israel should let more materials in. The Gaza Strip is not suffering from a humanitarian crisis, the deputy head of the Red Cross in Gaza said this week. Mathilde Redmatn, who had been assigned to Congo and Colombia in the past, said that the “fabric of life” in the region was problematic. “There are two peoples, one living under closure and one living under daily rocket fire, which violates international law,” she said. Her comments were made available on Thursday by the IDF Spokesman’s Office. “There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. If you go to the supermarket, there are products. There are restaurants and a nice beach. The problem is mainly in maintenance of infrastructure and in access to goods, concrete for example,” Redmatn said. “Israel has the legitimate right to protect the civilian population; this right should be balanced with the rights of 1.5 million people living in the Gaza Strip,” she said. Redmatn condemned Gazan rocket attacks on southern Israel, while also calling on the government to allow more materials to enter the Strip. “Rocket fire from the Gaza Strip is against international law because it is directed at civilians,” she said. “We conduct confidential or bilateral dialogue with Hamas on the matter. As time passes, the dialogue also develops.” She said the Red Cross would continue to seek access to abducted IDF soldier Gilad Schalit – who will begin his sixth year of captivity on June 25 – but stressed that the organization lacked the capability to “force anything on Hamas.” The Red Cross and the IDF are in close contact to “coordinate the entry of goods into Gaza and the entry and exit of people, sometimes our personnel and sometimes patients who are going to Israel to receive medical care,” she said. The organization is now seeking to strengthen its relationship with soldiers stationed at the Erez border crossing and around the Gaza Strip, the official said. “Our goal is not to negotiate peace, but to ensure the well-being of the civilian population,” Redmatn said. “We understand and recognize Israel’s right to security, but it needs to maintain the balance between that and the right of Palestinians living in Gaza to a living and to proper medical care. Of course this is also the responsibility of Hamas to its citizens and therefore we also have relations with them.” The Big Lie about Gaza has been perpetuated for years- we and others have written in several articles about how the unholy alliance between the hard Left and Islamists has managed to dominate the narrative, not only in terms of their fabricated and expertly spun nonsense about the ‘oppression and slaughter’ supposedly unleashed on them at every opportunity by the evil Jewish Zionists and the ‘humanitarian crisis there; but also the supposedly urgent need for ‘aid’ – the inferred state of near starvation and penury in which the ‘Palestinians’ are perceived to live. The reality couldn’t be further from the truth. Although no-one could say Gaza was ‘rich’ in first world terms – how could one expect that when it is run by corrupt islamic gangsters? But there is no evidence of undue hardship or food shortages and the Red Cross has today confirmed this (no doubt much to the chagrin of the ‘Gaza aid industry’ that has sprouted up in recent years. Billions of $£¥€ of international aid – your money and ours – flows into this tiny territory. There are schools and universities funded and run by the UN, full markets, luxury restaurants, theme parks and shopping malls and, as the woman from the Red Cross pointed out – ‘a nice beach’. If it wasn’t for the fact that the people that run this territory are sworn by their constitution – and driven by their religion – to annihilate their Jewish neighbours and their state – and prove it every day by constant bombardment with rockets and mortars, horrific massacres and lynches and regular attempts to kill Israeli border guards – there would be peace. Israel wants peace. But Hamas, Hizballah Iran and pretty much the rest of the Islamic world, aided and abetted by their useful idiot antisemites of the Left – benefit from perpetual war. Except now the cat is out of the bag. The Big Lie has been well and truly nailed. [Source: Jerusalem Post] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Post message: prole...@egroups.com
[proletar] Meski Terorisme Direkayasa Intel -- Bukanlah Sandiwara !!!
Meski Terorisme Direkayasa Intel -- Bukanlah Sandiwara !!! Meskipun terorisme itu direkayasa untuk korupsi, namun kejadiannya adalah benar2 bukan sandiwara. Pelakunya tetap adalah Islam Radikal yang tentunya dijebak untuk melakukan terorisme ini. Jadi ada contohnya, bekas pemimpin komando Jihad tertangkap dan dihukum seumur hidup, dia mengaku terjebak melakukan terorisme karena memang dijerumuskan oleh seorang intel polisi yang baru diketahuinya kemudian. Meskipun dia dihukum seumur hidup, baru setahun saja hukumannya berubah menjadi hukuman 22 tahun dan tahun keduanya dia bebas dilepas. Tapi dia didatangi lagi agar mengulangi lagi tindakannya, tapi dia udah kapok. Salahkah intel yang merekayasa itu??? Jawabnya tidak, cara2 begitu memang kerjaan intel, yang salah itu tetap pelakunya, kalo dia tidak bersimpati kepada terorist tentunya mau direkayasa kayak apapun enggak bisa terjebak. Jadi hati2lah dengan kepercayaan dan keimanan anda yang akan menjerumuskan anda sendiri kejurang kehinaan, bahkan kematian yang hina. Wal Suparmo wal.suparmo@... wrote: Tidak diumumkan saja, tetapi saya kira meledaknya kilang Pertamina di Plumpang dan Cilacap adalah perbuatan teroris.Benar kata jendral HENDROPRIJONO, teroris hanya daun saja yang bisa di tangkap dan dibinasakan tetapi selama POHON dan AKARNYA msih ada dan tidak terusik maka terorisme akan JALAN TERUS. BIANG KELADInya adalah ULAMA dan KEYAKINANNYA/AJARANNYA. Tetapi kalau justru mereka yang mau membubarkan Republik Indonesia(dan tidak ditindak). SEMUA HANYA SANDIWARA BELAKA. Masalahnya, negara dalam hal ini presiden SBY susah untuk mencari nilai tambah untuk meningkatkan penghasilannya. Kalopun bisa mengeruk atau korupsi langsung uang negara tentu gampang ketahuan, selain memalukan juga menghancurkan masa depan anak cucunya yang sudah dikarbit untuk menggantikan posisinya dimasa depan. Oleh karena itulah, bantuan uang luar negeri yang bukan utang satu2nya bisa didapat dari dana penumpasan terorist, dana ini didapatkan dari Amerika berkisar antara 100-200 juta dengan cara penyerahan secara bertahap. Bayangin kalo tidak ada terorisme di Indonesia gimana dana ini bisa dicairkan Satu2nya jalan, dengan kerja sama militer, polisi dan BIN, dikerahkanlah intel2 untuk menyusup ke jaringan Islam untuk kemudian membentuk kelompok2 Radikal. Namun kelompok radikal ini juga takut kalo mereka dicelakai oleh intel2 yang berusaha mendorong mereka melakukan tindakan2 teror ini. Tentu mereka tidak mengaku intel, mereka pura2 juga radikal dan dijebaklah kelompok radikal ini kedalam tindakan terorist untuk kemudian dikorbankan sebagai bukti kerja dari pihak pemerintah guna mencairkan dana tsb. Demikianlah, makin banyak dana yang diterima, makin banyak terorisme. Karena dengan dana itulah mereka yang radikal dijebak kedalam tindakan terorisme. Jadi penumpasan terorisme ini memang cendrung korup, tapi apakah Amerika yang memberi dana ini dirugikan ??? Sama sekali tidak, karena yang dibunuh mati atau dijadikan korban ini sebetulnya memang betul2 Islam Radikal pendukung terorisme, namun kalo tidak bertindak tentunya tidak bisa ditindak. Jadi biarlah mereka dijebak untuk dipaksa bertindak, itu salah mereka sendiri, kalo mereka bukan Islam fundamentalist tentunya enggak bisa atau enggak gampang dijebak. Kita tidak bisa menyalahkan pemerintah yang mengail dana dengan menjebak para simpatisan terorisme ini untuk melakukan tindakan terorisme, biarlah mereka mati jadi tumbal karena itulah memang ideology mereka, seharusnya mereka sadar, paham mereka itu membahayakan mereka sendiri dan menguntungkan orang lain. Memang, nanti pada saatnya bisa jadi Amerika berbalik, meng-korek2 korupsi yang dilakukan para pemimpin yang terlibat dalam merekayasa terorisme ini, tujuannya memaksa mereka mundur seperti yang dialami Sadam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, dan termasuk juga jendral2 Pakistant yang banyak merekayasa terorisme sehingga situasi terorisme bukan berkurang tetapi makin bertambah. Apakah dengan situasi di Pakistant ini Amerika dirugikan ??? Juga tidak, karena makin burukpun keadaan di Pakistant itu bukanlah kesalahan Amerika melainkan kesalahan para pejabat2nya yang korup. Bagi Amerika cukup memaksa mereka turun untuk digantikan koruptor yang lebih muda yang mengulangi permainan yang sama. Jadi terorisme bukan cuma bisnis untuk para koruptor, tetapi juga bisnis bagi Amerika itu sendiri. Dana koruptor itu nantinya disita untuk kemudian diberikan lagi kepada koruptor yang baru dengan syarat penumpasan terorist yang sama dengan cara rekayasa baru sehingga semua mereka yang jadi simpatisan terorist nantinya jadi korban meskipun tidak bertindak akan dipaksa bertindak atau dikambing hitamkan sebagai pelakunya, dan itu adalah game-nya bagi mereka yang tetap mempertahankan keimanan teror Islam meskipun tidak melakukannya. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati.
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
di dunia ini nggak ada analisis yg absolute benar a dan b, adanya stastitikal kecenderungan, ilmu exact aja ada anomalinya taruhan ama saya, dalam 10x test ilmu exact, itupun ada anomali di level mikro... so udah saya tulis,apakah ada teori sosial yg berlaku sepanjang jaman? dengan tegas tak jawab tidak ada... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@... wrote: Berarti analisismu tentang manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati pijimana wan? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
jadi singkatnya begini 'agama membuat mayoritas pemeluknya takut mati, meski ada pengecualian' sekali lagi...di alam semesta tidak ada analisis yg benar absolut a atau b, semuanya ada anomali.. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: di dunia ini nggak ada analisis yg absolute benar a dan b, adanya stastitikal kecenderungan, ilmu exact aja ada anomalinya taruhan ama saya, dalam 10x test ilmu exact, itupun ada anomali di level mikro... so udah saya tulis,apakah ada teori sosial yg berlaku sepanjang jaman? dengan tegas tak jawab tidak ada... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, ajeg ajegilelu@ wrote: Berarti analisismu tentang manusia yang takut bertindak / takut mati pijimana wan? Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel
Ajaran yg mengajarkan pedhofil adalah ajaran sesat, apalagi sampai membela pelaku pedhofil hampir diseluruh negara dengan membayar penghacara2 hingga jutaan dolar pake duit perpuluhan umat .. Sesat bahkan menyesatkan. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:34:11 To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Hehehe ga ada orang Islam yg berani jawab apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan. Kenapa ga ada satu ekor jg yg berani jawab? From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppeli...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 7:07:32 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Badut yang satu ini dia mengira yang dikunyah itu benar adanya? padahal salah,belajar dari orang yang mengetahui hal2 tsb,banyak disini bukan dari faithfreedom seperti unyahan anda itu,anda tidak lebih pandai dari saya kalau soal ke islaman,berapa tahun sudah belajar islam? ungkapan anda cuma embikan anak kambing bodoh mana bisa belajar sejarah dari buku2 yang tak pernah terbit,ocehan anda cuma untuk konsumen gereja tempat anda belajar anutan salah itu. --- On Wed, 4/20/11, item abu item...@yahoo.com wrote: From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 4:44 PM Hehehe terus aja muter2 lidah. Yg gua tanya itu adalah apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad atau bukan, gua ga nanya apakah Islam itu ngelarang pedophilia apa kagak. Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Hehehe orangIslam itu emang pengecut koq, cuma bisa kaing2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut. From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppeli...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, April 20, 2011 7:33:34 AM Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel Orang Islam lagi muter2 lidah spy ga usah ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana ini: apakah ajarn yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan? =Jelas dilarang itu,nabi saya kawin terakhir dengan perempuan masih gadis umur nya 19/20 tahun apasalah nya?buat orang yang sering mengawini janda. Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Krn, hehehe mereka tahu bhw Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia dan jg mraktekin pedophilia. =Ini cuma khayalan badut bodoh saja..belajar jadi pelajar. Dr ogahnya orang Islam ngejawab pertanyaan umum yg sederhana ini aja, udah terbukti kebejadan Islam yg ngehalalin pedophilia tsb. =Jangan ambil keputusan sebodoh itu,anda tidak faham dengan apa yang anda bahas,semua nya berlarut jadi badut bodoh sesungguh nya. --- On Tue, 4/19/11, item abu item...@yahoo.com wrote: From: item abu item...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 2:29 PM Orang Islam lagi muter2 lidah spy ga usah ngejawab pertanyaan sederhana ini: apakah ajarn yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu ajaran bejad apa bukan? Kenapa orang Islam ga berani jawab? Krn, hehehe mereka tahu bhw Islam itu ngehalalin pedophilia dan jg mraktekin pedophilia. Dr ogahnya orang Islam ngejawab pertanyaan umum yg sederhana ini aja, udah terbukti kebejadan Islam yg ngehalalin pedophilia tsb. From: rezameutia rezameu...@yahoo.com To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 5:05:53 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel hehehe... si item muke kontol udah bingung nggak bisa kasih bukti. kalo lu punya otak udah jelas jawabannya kok. tinggal dibaca aja pake biji mata, jangan mbaca pake biji peler tem. kalo lu masih nggak jelas juga dan masih mau berdebat, silahkan aja. bring it on... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@... wrote: Hehehe ... gua cuma nanya di bawah itu apakah ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu bejad apa kagak, ngapain lu ngebacot nabi lu ngembat si aisha di umur sekian? Apa lu termasuk jg dr sekian ekor muslim yg ga berani jawab pertanyaan yg bersifat umum ini? From: rezameutia rezameutia@... To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 1:05:41 PM Subject: [proletar] Re: Ayat pedofil di Bibel gw udah tulis berkali-kali tentang perkawinan nabi muhammad dan aisyah bahwa nabi muhammad bukan phedophil karena aisyah masuk ke rumah nabi muhammad berumur 16 tahun. palingan elu cuman ngebacot pake hadis bukhari, sama seperti si jusfiq, grepe. terakhir gw dah tulis penjelasan ke grepe dengan bukti dan fakta yang jelas bahwa aisyah kawin umur 16 tahun. orang kristen nggak bisa menemukan kelemahan ajaran islam, seperti ajaran kristen yang sesat, makanya bisanya cuman membual dan fitnah
[proletar] Tukang Gambar Yang Mendunia
☆Tukang Gambar Yang Mendunia☆ Ketika kecil ia dan kakaknya harus berjualan koran. Setiap hari, ia bangun pagi-pagi sekali menunggu datangnya koran, lalu menjajakannya dari rumah ke rumah. Pekerjaan ini membuatnya mengantuk di kelas. Tetapi untuk pelajaran seni, kantuknya seketika hilang. Keluarganya lalu pindah ke Chicago. Ia rajin sekali menggambar untuk majalah sekolah. Ketika Perang Dunia pecah, ia memutuskan untuk menjadi tentara. Tetapi peruntungannya tidak ada di situ. Usai perang, ia kembali dalam keadaan miskin dan tidak punya apa-apa. Ia harus menumpang mandi di stasiun karena tidak punya tempat berteduh dan malu untuk pulang. Ia ingin memaksimalkan bakat menggambarnya. Karena ketiadaan modal, ia meminjam ruang kosong di sebuah restoran sebagai bengkel seni pertamanya. Bayarannya, ia membuatkan poster-poster gratis untuk restoran tsb. Karena ingin mendalami animasi kartun, ia melamar ke Kansas City Film Ad Company. Ia diterima bekerja, mendapatkan bayaran sekaligus bisa belajar. Ia sering meminjam kamera dan melakukan percobaan berbagai trik baru dalam animasi kartun. Sepanjang hidupnya, Walt Disney telah menerima 900 tanda penghargaan, 26 Oscar dari 59 nominasi (individu peraih Oscar terbanyak), 7 Emmy, dan 5 gelar kehormatan doktor honoris kausa. Disney adalah kartunis tersukses dunia sepanjang masa. The Walt Disney Company saat ini mempunyai pendapatan tahunan US$ 35 milyar. Kenali bakat dan minat anda. Lalu asah terus dan tingkatkan ketrampilan anda. Belajarlah terus dari berbagai sumber. Niscaya pintu keberhasilan/kesuksesan/kebahagiaan akan terbentang lebar bagi anda. Kesuksesan bukanlah diukur dari seberapa banyak orang memandang karena statusmu atau materimu, tapi lebih kepada seberapa besar manfaat yang bisa kau berikan dari apa yang kau lakukan untuk orang lain, kebahagiaan mereka dan juga kebahagiaanmu sendiri Charles Asiku Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
wawan selarasmilis@... wrote: 'agama membuat mayoritas pemeluknya takut mati, meski ada pengecualian' Seharusnya kata2nya diperbaiki menjadi: ketakutan manusia dalam menghadapi kematian diatasi dengan kepercayaan adanya kehidupan setelah mati. Demikianlah, agama adalah kelompok kepercayaan yang menciptakan identifikasi yang unik yang dideklarasikannya sebagai kepercayaan yang paling benar. Jadi dari definisi diatas sangat jelas bahwa semua kepercayaan adalah yang paling benar. Untuk membuktikan kebenaran kepercayaan mereka, maka dulunya mereka beradu kuat, yang menang adalah yang benar, dan yang kalah adalah yang tidak benar kemudian bergabung dengan yang benar. Tetapi setelah munculnya Amerika yaitu negara yang pertama kali yang tidak berdasarkan agama, maka bentrokan2 agama mulai dilarang hingga sekarang ini. Itulah sebabnya sekarang berbeda dengan Islam, meskipun kalah terus2an tetap agamanya dianggap yang paling benar oleh umatnya. Karena Amerika melindungi yang kalah dan menetralisir yang menang. Dulu, Islam yang kalah dari Islam lainnya, maka yang kalah ini biasanya dibantai habis meskipun masih bisa berusaha melarikan diri atau menyelamatkan diri. Ny. Muslim binti Muskitawati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] tentang filsafat...
ada banyak filsafat, contohnya filsafat islam filsafat buddha filsafat kristian filsafat materialism/fisikal nah manakah yg paling mendorong kemajuan ilmu pengetahuan? filsafat manakah yg paling jitu buat world view?? (saya tidak menyatakan ada yg salah dari salah satunya, karena ini pilihan saja) dan saya menyatakan bahwasanya materialism adalah world view yang paling ilmiah, saya membicarakan pengetahuan ilmiah/pengetahuan yang riil... ada satu catatan penting dari VI Lenin... sosialisme kita, bukan sosialisme utopia, karena dibangun dari cara pandang yang ilmiah yaitu materialisme tapi, saya...memberikan kritik atas VI Lenin juga bahwasanya gen yg bertentangan ternyata ada di dalam tubuh biologis manusia, artinya juga, kapitalisme juga merupakan hal yang ilmiah... --- dari sini pola ekonomi hanyalah cara atau mekanisme mencapai tujuan, demi kesejahteraan massal, namun hendaknya semuanya dibangun atas pemahaman yang ilmiah, pemahaman yang realistis... dari sinilah, saya lebih tertarik kepada hal-hal yang ilmiah terlebih dahulu daripada sekedar membicarakan sosialisme dan kapitalisme yang hanya merupakan suatu efek-efek distribusi keadilam mahluk alam yang bernama manusia... Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...
ya, yg ini setuju, agama tak lain memang bius ketakutan manusia menghadapi kematian... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, muskitawati muskitawati@... wrote: Seharusnya kata2nya diperbaiki menjadi: ketakutan manusia dalam menghadapi kematian diatasi dengan kepercayaan adanya kehidupan setelah mati. Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage: http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
