date:20110512

Apakah ada istilah jihad dalam ajaran agama Kristen, Buddha dan Hindu? Setahu 
saya istilaah tersebut hanya ada dalam agama Islam dan sering dipakai untuk 
membernarkan perbuatan menhamtan apa yang dianggap musuh.

  - Original Message - 
  From: item abu 
  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:46 PM
  Subject: [proletar] Pejihad Kristen ngebantai cewek dan anak2, hehehe

  Pejihad Kristen ngebantai cewek dan anak2, hehehe 

  Eh ternyata gua salah nulis, ternyata pejihad Islam yg ngebantai cewek dan 
  anak2.

  Koq kayaknya gua ga pernah nemu berita di media ttg pejihad Kristen ngebantai 
  cewek dan anak2 spt yg dilakukan pejihad Islam, selalu aja pejihad Islam yg 
  ngebantai.

  Tp ini kan ngebuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, krn cuma Islamlah 
  satu2nya yg dr awal sampe akhir terus berjihad ngebantai cewek dan anak2. 
  Indahnya Islam itu, hehehe.

http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/30956-islamists-kill-nigerian-pastors-wife-kids

  Islamists Kill Nigerian Pastor's Wife, Kids 
  Wednesday, 11 May 2011 05:37 AM EDT Compass Direct News News - Featured News

  As she lay on the ground after being shot and then slashed with a machete, 
  Dune James Rike looked into her husband’s tear-filled eyes and asked, “Is 
this 
  the end between us, so we shall not be together again?”
  Pastor James Musa Rike told Compass he held the hands of his dying, 
  35-year-old wife and told her, “Hold on to your faith in Jesus, and we shall 
  meet and never part again.”
  Muslim extremists who attacked Kurum village, in the Bogoro local government 
  area of Nigeria’s Bauchi state, had already killed two of the couple’s 
children 
  in a rampage that began Wednesday (May 4) at midnight. Rike, pastor of a 
Church 
  of Christ in Nigeria (COCIN) congregation in Kurum, next heard the cries of 
his 
  13-year-old daughter, Sum James Rike, a few yards away.
  “I rushed to my daughter, only to discover that she too was cut with a 
machete 
  on her stomach, and her intestines were all around her,” he said. “I held her 
  hand and began to pray, knowing she too was about to die. She told me that 
the 
  Muslim militants told her they would kill her and “see how your Jesus will 
save 
  you.” 

  The girl told her father that she responded by telling them that Jesus had 
  already saved her, and that by killing her they would only be making it 
  possible for her to be with Him. Pastor Rike prayed for her as she died.
  Shooting and setting homes on fire, the Muslim extremists killed 12 other 
  Christians in the attack. Bauchi police reported 16 people dead – one man, 
  three women and 12 children. 

  Pastor Rike said that when the attackers reached his house, they tried to 
force 
  their way into their bedrooms.
  “I opened a backdoor, and we ran out into the dark night while the militants 
  pursued us,” he said. “They shot my wife and two of our kids as they tried to 
  escape.”
  Pastor Rike said that after killing the two children, Faith James Rike and 
  1-year-old Fyali James Rike, the assailants cut his wife’s abdomen with a 
  machete. 

  “I was shocked at what I saw,” he said. “I knew my wife would not last long, 
  and the only thing I did was to encourage her to hold on to her faith in 
  Jesus.”
  The Muslim extremists set more than 20 houses ablaze before leaving the 
village, 
  he said.
  Pastor Rike and his son survived the attack, and he said his adopted 
daughter, 
  Whulham James Rike, was injured and receiving treatment at the General 
Hospital 
  in Bogoro. He said five others others were also receiving hospital treatment.
  Among those killed, church sources said, were Murna Ayuba; Angelina Ezekiel; 
  Dorcas Sunday; Asabar Toma; Rhoda Joseph; Dhunhgwa Zakka; Bukata Amos; Ishaku 
  Amos; Kalla Amos; Amos Daniel; Samidah Joel; and Changtan Joel.
  The Muslim jihadists also stole money and the other valuables from the 
Christian 
  village as they withdrew, church sources said. 

  The area has a history of sectarian violence, and the attack follows the 
death 
  of hundreds of people in Bauchi and other northern states last month after 
  Muslims rioted over the April 16 election of a Christian, Goodluck Jonathan, 
as 
  president. He defeated a Muslim candidate, Muhammadu Buhari. Saying more than 
  200 church buildings were burned, Christian leaders in northern Nigeria have 
  called for a federal probe into the violence, in which Christians mounted 
  counter attacks.
  Northern Nigeria climbed to 23rd place in 2010 from 27th in 2009 on Christian 
  support organization Open Doors’ World Watch List of nations with the worst 
  persecution. 

  The church where Pastor Rike ministers has about 30 members and has been in 
  existence for more than 50 years. Those killed were members of the three 
  churches in the village – the COCIN church, St. John’s Catholic Church and an 
  Evangelical Church of West Africa congregation.

[proletar] House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion

Refl: Mengapa tidak sekaligus dibikin bulat menjadi Rp 10 miliard saja, biar
ada kelebihan uang untuk minum kopi bersama pacar atau isteri simpanan bin
gundik? Beginilah takdirnya rezim tukang catut!, Hehehehe

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/05/12/house-website-did-not-cost-rp-9-billion.html

House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/12/2011 12:39 PM | National

An official at the Data and Information Monitoring Center (P3DI) of the House
of Representatives Secretariate General says the budget allocated for
maintaining the House website, www.dpr.go.id, was Rp 179 million (US$20,943)
per year.

The Indonesian Budget Center recently released information that the House had
allocated around Rp 8.4 billion to upgrade the site and Rp 1.4 billion for its
maintenance.

"The maintenance of the website ... cost only Rp 179 million per year," P3DI
chief Damayanti said.

She added that this amount covered five areas including server maintenance and
providing an uninterrupted power supply (UPS) system.

Damayanti added that the website had cost Rp 1.4 billion to set up, way under
the ceiling cost of Rp 4.3 billion budgeted for the project.

The cost of the upkeep was minimized because House employees took
responsibility for its maintenance.

"We did not have a big budget because everything [else] was provided free of
charge, including applications," she added, as reported by tribunnews.com.

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Re: [proletar] House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion

2011-05-12 Thread Richan S

amit-amit, website seharga milliaran.
kontrak domain + hosting unlimited per tahun enggak nyampe Rp 2jt perak.

web design Rp 30 jt (sekali bayar) + Rp 12 jt maintenance..
Rp 45 jt sudah komplit itu. banyak tamatan IT yg siap menyergap projek 
Rp 45 jt ini..dijamin dalam sekejab disambar langsung, kayak tarikan 
ikan gabus di pedalaman kalimantan hehe

rs

On 12/05/2011 4:46 PM, sunny wrote:
>
> Refl: Mengapa tidak sekaligus dibikin bulat menjadi Rp 10 miliard 
> saja, biar ada kelebihan uang untuk minum kopi bersama pacar atau 
> isteri simpanan bin gundik? Beginilah takdirnya rezim tukang catut!, 
> Hehehehe
>
> http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/05/12/house-website-did-not-cost-rp-9-billion.html
>
> House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion
> The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/12/2011 12:39 PM | National
>
> An official at the Data and Information Monitoring Center (P3DI) of 
> the House of Representatives Secretariate General says the budget 
> allocated for maintaining the House website, www.dpr.go.id, was Rp 179 
> million (US$20,943) per year.
>
> The Indonesian Budget Center recently released information that the 
> House had allocated around Rp 8.4 billion to upgrade the site and Rp 
> 1.4 billion for its maintenance.
>
> "The maintenance of the website ... cost only Rp 179 million per 
> year," P3DI chief Damayanti said.
>
> She added that this amount covered five areas including server 
> maintenance and providing an uninterrupted power supply (UPS) system.
>
> Damayanti added that the website had cost Rp 1.4 billion to set up, 
> way under the ceiling cost of Rp 4.3 billion budgeted for the project.
>
> The cost of the upkeep was minimized because House employees took 
> responsibility for its maintenance.
>
> "We did not have a big budget because everything [else] was provided 
> free of charge, including applications," she added, as reported by 
> tribunnews.com.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 



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[proletar] ISLAM BAHAYA LATENT Re: Pejihad Kristen ngebantai cewek dan anak2, hehehe....

Dan mengingat semuanya yang telah terjadi termasuk indoktrinasi teroris dan 
musuh2an kafir2an pada pemeluk agama lain, maka Islam itu sejajar dengan 
komunis garis keras, bahkan simbolnya juga hampir sama, tujuannya juga sama 
yaitu berkuasa, sistem tertutupnya, perlakuan pada yang menentang, dan caranya 
menggunakan massa dan cuci otak juga sama.

Kurasa, ALIEN pemrakarsa ISLAM bernama ALLOH itu real alien. Ia membangun 
markas di BULAN sbgmana simbolnya. Dari situ ia dan kelompoknya beroperasi 
menyesatkan manusia di Bumi, menyusun sistem2 ajaran dan ideologi untuk 
membantu Alloh berkuasa secara mutlak di BUMI. 


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
>
> Apakah ada istilah jihad dalam ajaran agama Kristen, Buddha dan Hindu? Setahu 
> saya istilaah tersebut hanya ada dalam agama Islam dan sering dipakai untuk 
> membernarkan perbuatan menhamtan apa yang dianggap musuh.
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: item abu 
>   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:46 PM
>   Subject: [proletar] Pejihad Kristen ngebantai cewek dan anak2, hehehe
> 
> 
> 
>   Pejihad Kristen ngebantai cewek dan anak2, hehehe 
> 
>   Eh ternyata gua salah nulis, ternyata pejihad Islam yg ngebantai cewek dan 
>   anak2.
> 
>   Koq kayaknya gua ga pernah nemu berita di media ttg pejihad Kristen 
> ngebantai 
>   cewek dan anak2 spt yg dilakukan pejihad Islam, selalu aja pejihad Islam yg 
>   ngebantai.
> 
>   Tp ini kan ngebuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, krn cuma 
> Islamlah 
>   satu2nya yg dr awal sampe akhir terus berjihad ngebantai cewek dan anak2. 
>   Indahnya Islam itu, hehehe.
> 
>   
> http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/30956-islamists-kill-nigerian-pastors-wife-kids
> 
>   Islamists Kill Nigerian Pastor's Wife, Kids 
>   Wednesday, 11 May 2011 05:37 AM EDT Compass Direct News News - Featured News
> 
>   As she lay on the ground after being shot and then slashed with a machete, 
>   Dune James Rike looked into her husbandâs tear-filled eyes and asked, 
> âIs this 
>   the end between us, so we shall not be together again?â
>   Pastor James Musa Rike told Compass he held the hands of his dying, 
>   35-year-old wife and told her, âHold on to your faith in Jesus, and we 
> shall 
>   meet and never part again.â
>   Muslim extremists who attacked Kurum village, in the Bogoro local 
> government 
>   area of Nigeriaâs Bauchi state, had already killed two of the coupleâs 
> children 
>   in a rampage that began Wednesday (May 4) at midnight. Rike, pastor of a 
> Church 
>   of Christ in Nigeria (COCIN) congregation in Kurum, next heard the cries of 
> his 
>   13-year-old daughter, Sum James Rike, a few yards away.
>   âI rushed to my daughter, only to discover that she too was cut with a 
> machete 
>   on her stomach, and her intestines were all around her,â he said. âI 
> held her 
>   hand and began to pray, knowing she too was about to die. She told me that 
> the 
>   Muslim militants told her they would kill her and âsee how your Jesus 
> will save 
>   you.â 
> 
>   The girl told her father that she responded by telling them that Jesus had 
>   already saved her, and that by killing her they would only be making it 
>   possible for her to be with Him. Pastor Rike prayed for her as she died.
>   Shooting and setting homes on fire, the Muslim extremists killed 12 other 
>   Christians in the attack. Bauchi police reported 16 people dead â" one 
> man, 
>   three women and 12 children. 
> 
>   Pastor Rike said that when the attackers reached his house, they tried to 
> force 
>   their way into their bedrooms.
>   âI opened a backdoor, and we ran out into the dark night while the 
> militants 
>   pursued us,â he said. âThey shot my wife and two of our kids as they 
> tried to 
>   escape.â
>   Pastor Rike said that after killing the two children, Faith James Rike and 
>   1-year-old Fyali James Rike, the assailants cut his wifeâs abdomen with a 
>   machete. 
> 
>   âI was shocked at what I saw,â he said. âI knew my wife would not 
> last long, 
>   and the only thing I did was to encourage her to hold on to her faith in 
>   Jesus.â
>   The Muslim extremists set more than 20 houses ablaze before leaving the 
> village, 
>   he said.
>   Pastor Rike and his son survived the attack, and he said his adopted 
> daughter, 
>   Whulham James Rike, was injured and receiving treatment at the General 
> Hospital 
>   in Bogoro. He said five others others were also receiving hospital 
> treatment.
>   Among those killed, church sources said, were Murna Ayuba; Angelina 
> Ezekiel; 
>   Dorcas Sunday; Asabar Toma; Rhoda Joseph; Dhunhgwa Zakka; Bukata Amos; 
> Ishaku 
>   Amos; Kalla Amos; Amos Daniel; Samidah Joel; and Changtan Joel.
>   The Muslim jihadists also stole money and the other valuables from the 
> Christian 
>   village as they withdrew, church sources said. 
> 
>   The area has a history of s

[proletar] Pengguna Narkoba Tak Lagi Dipidana!

http://www.lampungpost.com/buras.php?id=2011051200385614

  Kamis, 12 Mei 2011 
 
  BURAS 
 
 
 
Pengguna Narkoba Tak Lagi Dipidana! 

   
  H. Bambang Eka Wijaya



  "PP-Peraturan Pemerintah-No. 25/2011 tentang Wajib Lapor Pengguna Narkoba 
meringankan status para pengguna narkotika dan obat-obatan terlarang (narkoba) 
menjadi korban sehingga tak lagi dipidana!" ujar Umar.

  "Nantinya pengguna sabu-sabu di bawah satu gram sampai tertangkap yang 
kedua-sesuai dengan bunyi PP-hanya dikenai wajib lapor ke lembaga medis dari 
puskesmas sampai rumah sakit untuk memastikan tak memakai narkoba lagi!"

  "Kalau tertangkap yang ketiga?" potong Amir.

  "Dia masuk panti rehabilitasi, tapi tempatnya dalam lembaga 
pemasyarakatan (LP) sehingga ia tidak bebas meski statusnya bukan terpidana, 
melainkan pesakitan yang dirawat!" jelas Umar. "Berapa lama dia dalam panti 
rehabilitasi itu, tergantung putusan hakim!"

  "Apa bedanya terpidana dengan pesakitan kalau tempatnya sama-sama di LP!" 
tukas Amir.

  "Maka itu, jangan sampai tertangkap tiga kali menggunakan narkoba!" jawab 
Umar. "Kalau sudah dua kali tertangkap menggunakan narkoba masih mengulangi 
juga, jelas masuk panti rehabilitasi yang tak bebas itu bisa disebut sebagai 
pilihan sendiri!"

  "Begitu pun tetap lebih ringan dibanding sebagai terpidana bagi pemakai 
narkoba seperti selama ini!" timpal Amir. "Karena itu, aku mencemaskan 
keringanan hukuman terhadap pengguna ini bisa membuat berkurangnya rasa takut 
kaum remaja mendekati narkoba untuk coba-coba! Artinya, PP 25/2011 ini justru 
membuat kelonggaran dalam pengekangan terhadap pengaruh narkoba!"

  "Tapi PP itu justru menyesuaikan dengan standar universal untuk perlakuan 
yang manusiawi, di mana pemakai itu cuma korban sedang sebagai penjahatnya 
adalah pengedarnya!" jelas Umar.

  "Selain itu, batasan satu gram itu terlalu banyak, karena jumlah itu sama 
dengan 1.000 miligram! Padahal, terkait dengan obat-obatan syaraf, dosis sampai 
lima miligram saja sudah cukup keras!" tambah Amir. "Jika satu gram itu 
dibagikan untuk seratus orang, dalam waktu singkat bisa menjadikan mereka 
sebagai barisan pencandu baru! Itulah ancaman paling mengerikan dari 
pelonggaran ketentuan hukum buat pengguna narkoba!"

  "Tapi apa hendak dikata, apalagi PP itu bahkan dibanggakan karena 
menempatkan bangsa kita sejajar dengan bangsa-bangsa maju dalam praktek hak-hak 
asasi manusia!" tegas Umar.

  "Kaum muda mereka rusak tak masalah, negaranya sudah maju!" entak Amir. 
"Sedang kita, kaum muda rusak negaranya makin terbelakang!" **
 


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[proletar] Bolehkah menganiaya-menzalimi manusia?



Hadist Nabi:

 

“Jagalah dirimu dari doa orang yang dianiaya, meskipun orang
itu kafir. Karena doa orang yang dianiaya itu tidak terhalang” 

 



“Jagalah dirimu dari doa orang-orang yang dianiaya, karena
doa orang yang dianiaya itu seperti bunga yang terus naik kelangit”

Jadi tdklah benar fitnah golongan pemfitnah di milis ini.




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Bls: [proletar] Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq

Ondeh mandeh, begitu betul iba hati Ibu anda jusfiq melihat perangai anaknya 
yang tadinya diharapkan jadi tukang tambal ban, eh ternyata cuman jadi tukang 
bual. Segeralah bertobat Jusfiq. 

--- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, Habe  menulis:

Dari: Habe 
Judul: [proletar] Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq
Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 3:00 PM







 



  



  
  
  Sungai Kelok, Padang Panjang 1 November 1965



Nak Jusfiak nan lancang,

Kenapa waang kabur ke belando tanpa bilang bilang orang rumah? Apa ada hubungan 
nak Jusfiak dengan G30S yang hampir sajo membunuah Soekarno? Janganlah tiru 
semuo ajaran stalin ko, indak baik itu buat kesehatan otak. Dulu waang rajin 
pergi ke surau buat ngaji, sekarang bukan dahi waang  tapi pantat waang yang 
warnanya item abu. Kasianlah sama bunda kanduang. Melahirkan waang sesakit 
melahirkan iblis ke dunio, tau?



Nak Jusfiak nan gadang sarawa,

Ngapin waang tinggal di belando negara kumpeni yang pernah menyiksa imam 
bonjol,waang indak pernah sekolah, tamat smp pun tidak mana mau bule panjajah 
memberi nak jusfiak nafkah? Dari mano uang maklan waang sehari hari ko? Jangan 
mau menerima toeslag jika harus memusuhi tanah air beta..



Nak Jusfiak,

Kebiasaan bobo dengan bonobo indak baik, kawin sajalah waang seperti layaknya 
orang normal..Kalau tidak waang tidak akan bisa beranak pinak, malulah bunda 
kalau sampai orang sakampuang tahu kelakuan waang..



Kasilah kabar jika ada gadis pinangan, nanti kita pestakan yang mariah 

careylah, cari besan orang barado biar terangkat rejeki kita sekeluargo, waang 
tidak jelek jelek amat dan agak mirip campurang penyanyi Charles Hutagalung dan 
Deddy Damhudi, rambut waang yang bikin waang seperti simpanse merah



segitulah dulu surat bunda 

balaslah jika ada waktu



Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo






 





 



  





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Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami

Tembakan penghormatan terakhir sebagai pemberian selamat jalan kepada sang 
isteri nan tercinta ke dunia seberang.

Di Australia ada sejenis kodok yang disebut "cane toad". Kodok ini rupanya jago 
sikat seperti Mr Necrophilia. Saya pernah lihat kodok betina yang digiling 
mobil, kepalanya sudah tidak ada, tetapi masih disikat oleh sang jantan.  


  - Original Message - 
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  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:42 PM
  Subject: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami



  Halal ngembat mayat, kata ahli Islam di bawah ini. 

  Buat yg ga tau, sheik itu artinya ahli Islam, tentunya udah belajar Islam dgn 
  baik dan ilmu Islamnya sangat tinggi. Jadi fatwanya itu tentunya didasari dgn 
  ilmu Islam yg tinggi, bukan sembarangan dikeluarkan.

  Tentunya cuma Islam aja yg bisa menghasilkan keputusan yg brilyan ini, 
  membuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, benar2 sinting dan konyol, 
  hehehe

  
http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2011/05/fatwa-necrophilia-now-halal-says-sheikh.html

  Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami 
  Meet Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami who just made necrophilia halal. 

  Don't you wish you lived under sharia law?

  More here: Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good 
  Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the 
  marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husband’s 
desire 
  to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife" 

  >> Posted by Blazing Cat Fur at 6:40 AM | 10 comments | link to this post | 
  >>send email | 
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Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami

Nah tentulah ini sebuah fitnah, dan kalau benar ada org yg mengaku syech atau 
nama apapun maka jelas di juga tukang fitnah dan termasuk kedalam kategori 
'ulama fasik' yaitu ulama yg menamakan dirinya ulama atau disebut oleh orang 
tetapi jahat. Tahukah anda hukuman yg akan diterima oleh 'ulama semacam itu'? 
Jauh lebih berat dibandingkan org biasa. Nah bacalah al quran. Mengentoti mayat 
bertentangan dengan al quran dan akal. Dua hal yang diakui menjadi salah satu 
sumber hukum islam. Org2 Muslim tahu mengentoti mayat bertentangan dengan hukum 
islam.  

Jadi marilah juga kita baca apa yg ada dalam text bible, yg walau sudah byk 
dihapus2, atau dihaluskan bunyi terjemahannya dalam bhsa indonesia, tetaplah 
berguna untuk dipahami dan memahami kenapa org2 seperti item dan anda begini 
busuk fikirannya thd islam.

--- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, sunny  menulis:

Dari: sunny 
Judul: Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami
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Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 6:29 PM







 



  



  
  
  Tembakan penghormatan terakhir sebagai pemberian selamat jalan kepada 
sang isteri nan tercinta ke dunia seberang.



Di Australia ada sejenis kodok yang disebut "cane toad". Kodok ini rupanya jago 
sikat seperti Mr Necrophilia. Saya pernah lihat kodok betina yang digiling 
mobil, kepalanya sudah tidak ada, tetapi masih disikat oleh sang jantan.  



- Original Message - 

  From: item abu 

  To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:42 PM

  Subject: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami



Halal ngembat mayat, kata ahli Islam di bawah ini. 



Buat yg ga tau, sheik itu artinya ahli Islam, tentunya udah belajar Islam dgn 

  baik dan ilmu Islamnya sangat tinggi. Jadi fatwanya itu tentunya didasari dgn 

  ilmu Islam yg tinggi, bukan sembarangan dikeluarkan.



Tentunya cuma Islam aja yg bisa menghasilkan keputusan yg brilyan ini, 

  membuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, benar2 sinting dan konyol, 

  hehehe



http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2011/05/fatwa-necrophilia-now-halal-says-sheikh.html



Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami 

  Meet Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami who just made necrophilia halal. 



Don't you wish you lived under sharia law?



More here: Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good 

  Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the 

  marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husband’s 
desire 

  to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife" 



>> Posted by Blazing Cat Fur at 6:40 AM | 10 comments | link to this post | 

  >>send email | 

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[proletar] Jadi item dkk, 10 keturunan anda tak boleh masuk jemaat

”Seorang
 anak haram janganlah masuk ke dalam jemaat Tuhan, bahkan keturunannya 
yang kesepuluhpun tidak boleh masuk jemaat Tuhan.” (Ulangan 23:2)


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[proletar] Item dkk jagalah istrimu baik2

Bahwasanya malapetaka
 akan kutimpakan keatasmu yang datang dari kaum keluargamu sendiri. AKU 
akan mengambil ISTERI-ISTERIMU di depan matamu dan memberikannya kepada 
orang lain; orang itu akan tidur dengan ISTERI-ISTERIMU DI SIANG HARI. 
Sebab engkau telah melakukannya secara sembunyi, tetapi Aku akan 
melakukan hal itu di depan seluruh Israel secara terang-terangan (Samuel
 II 12: 11-13)”

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[proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

2011-05-12 Thread arra_s

yah maklumlah kalo begitu, sedari bayi udah demen berada di jalan yg salah, 
alias kesasar. 



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia"  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Hehehe... Islam itu adalah agama buat zombie idiot, auloh sendiri yg 
> > ngelarang 
> > orang Islam buat mikir.
> > 
> > 216. ... Boleh jadi kamu membenci sesuatu, padahal ia  amat baik bagimu, 
> > dan 
> > boleh jadi (pula) kamu menyukai sesuatu, padahal  ia amat buruk bagimu; 
> > Allah 
> > mengetahui, sedang kamu tidak mengetahui.
> > 
> > 
> > Kalo orang bisa mikir, dia akan bertanya koq orang bisa ngebenci perintah 
> > auloh. 
> > Artinya perintah auloh itu bisa merupakan perintah bejad di pandangan orang 
> > pada 
> > umumnya. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> hmmm...,
> 
> lu tinggal baca ayat sederhana di al baqarah kayak gini aja nggak ngerti?
> 
> coba deh lu pake otak lu, ayat ini kan artinya sederhana sekali, bahwa dalam 
> setiap musibah pasti ada hikmahnya.  manusia nggak suka dan membenci setiap 
> musibah yang menimpanya, tapi dibalik musibah itu pasti ada kebaikannya 
> (hikmahnya).  ngerti nggak?!
> 
> kalo elu masih nggak ngerti juga, gw kasih contoh kongkritnya bapak lu mati.  
> 
> kematian itu kan merupakan suatu musibah, tapi dibalik musibah itu merupakan 
> suatu hikmah karena bapak lu udah nggak pusing dan sedih lagi punya anak yang 
> 'lahirnya kesasar' sehingga begonya kelewatan seperti elu.
> 
> elu dari sejak lahir udah karena kesasar.
> 
> seharusnya kan elu keluarnya dari pantat jadinya taik, tapi elu kesasar ke 
> memek sehingga keluarnya jadi elu dah.  makanya nggak heran kalo kepala lu 
> isinya taik dan begonya kelewatan.
> 
> iya kan?!
> 
> hehehe
>






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[proletar] Item Tuhan yg bilang, bukan syech.

(1) "... Janganlah engkau merasa sayang kepadanya (orang yang murtad); 
janganlah mengasihani dia dan janganlah menutupi salahnya."

(2) "Tetapi bunuhlah dia: Pertama-tama tanganmu sendirilah yang 
bergerak untuk membunuh dia ..." (Injil -Ulangan 13: 8,9).

(3) Potong kaki dan tangan orang yang menyesatkan ke arah dosa (Matius 
l8:8-9)   

(4) Bunuhlah manusia yang tidak mendengarkan perkataan imam
Orang yang berlaku terlalu berani dengan tidak mendengarkan perkataan imam yang 
berdiri di sana sebagai pelayan TUHAN, Allahmu,
 ataupun perkataan hakim, maka orang itu harus mati. Demikianlah harus 
kauhapuskan yang jahat itu dari antara orang Israel.. (Ulangan 17:12 ).

Masih byk lagi Tem, yg kudu anda pelajari sebagai org beragama. Nah setelah 
saya pelajari, tidaklah heran saya dgn kelakuan anda brutal, sadis dan kayak 
preman etnis tertentu itu.


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Bls: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

Yl 3:8 "Aku
 akan menjual anak-anakmu laki-laki dan perempuan kepada orang-orang 
Yehuda dan mereka akan menjual anak-anakmu itu kepada orang Syeba, 
kepada suatu bangsa yang jauh, sebab Tuhan telah mengatakannya."

--- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, arra_s  menulis:

Dari: arra_s 
Judul: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di 
Kepala
Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 6:58 PM







 



  



  
  
  yah maklumlah kalo begitu, sedari bayi udah demen berada di jalan yg 
salah, alias kesasar. 



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia"  wrote:

>

> 

> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:

> >

> > Hehehe... Islam itu adalah agama buat zombie idiot, auloh sendiri yg 
> > ngelarang 

> > orang Islam buat mikir.

> > 

> > 216. ... Boleh jadi kamu membenci sesuatu, padahal ia  amat baik bagimu, 
> > dan 

> > boleh jadi (pula) kamu menyukai sesuatu, padahal  ia amat buruk bagimu; 
> > Allah 

> > mengetahui, sedang kamu tidak mengetahui.

> > 

> > 

> > Kalo orang bisa mikir, dia akan bertanya koq orang bisa ngebenci perintah 
> > auloh. 

> > Artinya perintah auloh itu bisa merupakan perintah bejad di pandangan orang 
> > pada 

> > umumnya. 

> > 

> > 

> 

> 

> hmmm...,

> 

> lu tinggal baca ayat sederhana di al baqarah kayak gini aja nggak ngerti?

> 

> coba deh lu pake otak lu, ayat ini kan artinya sederhana sekali, bahwa dalam 
> setiap musibah pasti ada hikmahnya.  manusia nggak suka dan membenci setiap 
> musibah yang menimpanya, tapi dibalik musibah itu pasti ada kebaikannya 
> (hikmahnya).  ngerti nggak?!

> 

> kalo elu masih nggak ngerti juga, gw kasih contoh kongkritnya bapak lu mati.  

> 

> kematian itu kan merupakan suatu musibah, tapi dibalik musibah itu merupakan 
> suatu hikmah karena bapak lu udah nggak pusing dan sedih lagi punya anak yang 
> 'lahirnya kesasar' sehingga begonya kelewatan seperti elu.

> 

> elu dari sejak lahir udah karena kesasar.

> 

> seharusnya kan elu keluarnya dari pantat jadinya taik, tapi elu kesasar ke 
> memek sehingga keluarnya jadi elu dah.  makanya nggak heran kalo kepala lu 
> isinya taik dan begonya kelewatan.

> 

> iya kan?!

> 

> hehehe

>






 





 



  





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[proletar] Re: Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq

Pergilan berobat Hasan Basri.

Anda tahu anda sudah gila.

Terus menerus unjuk isi otak anda yang sudah rusak, busuk, nista lagi 
menjijikkan sungguh tidak ada gunanya. 

Hanya psikiater yang bisa menolong anda.

Pergilah berobat.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe"  wrote:
>
> Sungai Kelok, Padang Panjang 1 November 1965
> 
> Nak Jusfiak nan lancang,
> Kenapa waang kabur ke belando tanpa bilang bilang orang rumah? Apa ada 
> hubungan nak Jusfiak dengan G30S yang hampir sajo membunuah Soekarno? 
> Janganlah tiru semuo ajaran stalin ko, indak baik itu buat kesehatan otak. 
> Dulu waang rajin pergi ke surau buat ngaji, sekarang bukan dahi waang  tapi 
> pantat waang yang warnanya item abu. Kasianlah sama bunda kanduang. 
> Melahirkan waang sesakit melahirkan iblis ke dunio, tau?
> 
> Nak Jusfiak nan gadang sarawa,
> Ngapin waang tinggal di belando negara kumpeni yang pernah menyiksa imam 
> bonjol,waang indak pernah sekolah, tamat smp pun tidak mana mau bule panjajah 
> memberi nak jusfiak nafkah? Dari mano uang maklan waang sehari hari ko? 
> Jangan mau menerima toeslag jika harus memusuhi tanah air beta..
> 
> Nak Jusfiak,
> Kebiasaan bobo dengan bonobo indak baik, kawin sajalah waang seperti layaknya 
> orang normal..Kalau tidak waang tidak akan bisa beranak pinak, malulah bunda 
> kalau sampai orang sakampuang tahu kelakuan waang..
> 
> Kasilah kabar jika ada gadis pinangan, nanti kita pestakan yang mariah 
> careylah, cari besan orang barado biar terangkat rejeki kita sekeluargo, 
> waang tidak jelek jelek amat dan agak mirip campurang penyanyi Charles 
> Hutagalung dan Deddy Damhudi, rambut waang yang bikin waang seperti simpanse 
> merah
> 
> segitulah dulu surat bunda 
> balaslah jika ada waktu
> 
> 
> Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo
>






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[proletar] Sialan, komputer saya rusak lagi,,,,,


Sialan, komputer saya rusak lagi.

Baru selesai diperbaiki hari ini...







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Bls: [proletar] Re: Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq

Uwaik Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo, anakanda yag gadang sarawa sudah datang dan 
mulai mengamuk. Bawalalah dia pergi ke sumur dibelakang rumah. Cemplungin 
disitu supaya tak mengganggu orang2.

--- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, Jusfiq  menulis:

Dari: Jusfiq 
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Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 7:04 PM







 



  



  
  
  Pergilan berobat Hasan Basri.



Anda tahu anda sudah gila.



Terus menerus unjuk isi otak anda yang sudah rusak, busuk, nista lagi 
menjijikkan sungguh tidak ada gunanya. 



Hanya psikiater yang bisa menolong anda.



Pergilah berobat.



--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe"  wrote:

>

> Sungai Kelok, Padang Panjang 1 November 1965

> 

> Nak Jusfiak nan lancang,

> Kenapa waang kabur ke belando tanpa bilang bilang orang rumah? Apa ada 
> hubungan nak Jusfiak dengan G30S yang hampir sajo membunuah Soekarno? 
> Janganlah tiru semuo ajaran stalin ko, indak baik itu buat kesehatan otak. 
> Dulu waang rajin pergi ke surau buat ngaji, sekarang bukan dahi waang  tapi 
> pantat waang yang warnanya item abu. Kasianlah sama bunda kanduang. 
> Melahirkan waang sesakit melahirkan iblis ke dunio, tau?

> 

> Nak Jusfiak nan gadang sarawa,

> Ngapin waang tinggal di belando negara kumpeni yang pernah menyiksa imam 
> bonjol,waang indak pernah sekolah, tamat smp pun tidak mana mau bule panjajah 
> memberi nak jusfiak nafkah? Dari mano uang maklan waang sehari hari ko? 
> Jangan mau menerima toeslag jika harus memusuhi tanah air beta..

> 

> Nak Jusfiak,

> Kebiasaan bobo dengan bonobo indak baik, kawin sajalah waang seperti layaknya 
> orang normal..Kalau tidak waang tidak akan bisa beranak pinak, malulah bunda 
> kalau sampai orang sakampuang tahu kelakuan waang..

> 

> Kasilah kabar jika ada gadis pinangan, nanti kita pestakan yang mariah 

> careylah, cari besan orang barado biar terangkat rejeki kita sekeluargo, 
> waang tidak jelek jelek amat dan agak mirip campurang penyanyi Charles 
> Hutagalung dan Deddy Damhudi, rambut waang yang bikin waang seperti simpanse 
> merah

> 

> segitulah dulu surat bunda 

> balaslah jika ada waktu

> 

> 

> Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo

>






 





 



  





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[proletar] CNN: Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque


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Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The Muslim call to prayer echoes through a poor 
neighborhood, stirring the faithful. Men shuffle into a tiny 
mud-and-straw-brick mosque nestled among houses down a dirt lane.

And they bring their sons, clutching tattered copies of the Quran, for lessons 
in hate at a religious school in Kabul, Afghanistan's capital.

Outside, day is just breaking. Inside, the boys' heads are bowed. Some clutch 
prayer beads, as they recite the verses of their holy book.

Slowly the boys fall into a trance-like rhythm, rocking ever harder back and 
forth. Over and over they will do this, hour after hour.

"There is no God but Allah," they chant.

It is a scene repeated day after day, as it has for centuries. The boys are 
following a path set by their fathers and their fathers before them.

For many this is their whole world, a world of God and family.

The men, after a time, peel away to whatever work they have in a country that 
has been crippled by war and poverty.

The boys remain. Their numbers swell and fill the tiny mosque that now becomes 
a madrassa -- a religious school.

Their imam -- or teacher -- arrives. A short man with a long beard and piercing 
gaze, he soon has the boys in his sway. He points and scolds, urging the boys 
to chant ever louder.

Some begin to beat their chests with fierce devotion. In this way, the imam 
says the boys will come to memorize the Quran until they can repeat the verses 
by heart.

"A child is like a tree, it will give fruit. When children come to see me I 
train them the right way," he tells me.

That way is the way of strict sharia law.

Girls are banned from their school. They tell me women should be behind doors 
at home. For them to go outside without a veil, they say, is filthy.

The boys are all open, forthright and sure of themselves and their faith. The 
imam is an approachable man with a gentle smile and soft handshake.

It is typical of such hard-line madrassas -- schools that gave birth to the 
Taliban have often been a breeding ground for suicide bombers and continue to 
flourish today.

The message of faith and God is mixed with a hatred of anything outside their 
own world. The boys have been raised on a steady diet of anti-western 
propaganda. They are taught to fear outsiders and reject anything but the 
strict teachings of Islam.

In this world the United States and NATO forces have spent a decade trying to 
battle militant insurgency and to win hearts and minds.

Part of this mission is to steer impressionable young Muslim minds from the 
teachings of extremism, but here in this madrassa there is a compelling 
argument that the mission has failed.

Do you like the United States I ask? There is a resounding "No!"

Do you want them to leave? "Yes!" they yell. "We want our country to be 
peaceful. They are the devil."

One boy adds: "The Americans are making the Taliban and Afghans fight each 
other and then they watch. When they see us fighting, Americans are happy."

It's a message they get straight from their teacher, the imam himself.

"God says we can never be friends with unbelievers. What do they know of our 
religion? We can never be friends," he says.

These boys and their fathers before them have known little but war. There is no 
doubt they would fight for Islam.

Afghan authorities feared they were being trained to do just that.

Earlier this year, weapons, explosive devices and suicide bomber jackets were 
uncovered inside.

The previous imam is now in prison, linked to a Pakistani Taliban network.

The current imam refuses to believe it and says his predecessor should be 
released. The boys also stand by their previous teacher. To them it is all an 
American conspiracy.

Influenced by whispers, half-truths, suspicion and fear, they spin stories that 
sound fanciful -- yet what matters is they believe it.

"They kidnap mullahs and take them far away. I have seen on television 
Americans putting needles into the chests of people and pulling out the other. 
That's what they are doing to mullahs," one boy says.

With lessons over for the day, the boys fall into the dusty streets. Soon they 
are playing with a toy gun. They race headlong at our camera pretend firing and 
making machine gun sounds.

In this way they could be boys in any neighborhood anywhere in the world. 
Except here war is no game.

These boys, at such a young age, already have an enemy: the United States. 
Tomorrow at dawn they will be back to that same mosque to hear how God is on 
their side.
 
 
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[proletar] Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque

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Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque
By Stan Grant, CNN
May 12, 2011 -- Updated 0951 GMT (1751 HKT)

 

Children taught not to like U.S.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  a.. Previous imam is now in prison after being linked to a Pakistani Taliban 
network
  b.. NATO forces have spent a decade trying to battle militant insurgency, win 
hearts and minds
  c.. Children yell "No!" to the question of whether they like the United States
Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The Muslim call to prayer echoes through a poor 
neighborhood, stirring the faithful. Men shuffle into a tiny 
mud-and-straw-brick mosque nestled among houses down a dirt lane.

And they bring their sons, clutching tattered copies of the Quran, for lessons 
in hate at a religious school in Kabul, Afghanistan's capital.

Outside, day is just breaking. Inside, the boys' heads are bowed. Some clutch 
prayer beads, as they recite the verses of their holy book.

Slowly the boys fall into a trance-like rhythm, rocking ever harder back and 
forth. Over and over they will do this, hour after hour.

"There is no God but Allah," they chant.

It is a scene repeated day after day, as it has for centuries. The boys are 
following a path set by their fathers and their fathers before them.

For many this is their whole world, a world of God and family.

Boys: Teacher sent us on suicide mission 
RELATED TOPICS 
  a.. Kabul
  b.. Afghanistan
  c.. The Taliban
  d.. NATO
The men, after a time, peel away to whatever work they have in a country that 
has been crippled by war and poverty.

The boys remain. Their numbers swell and fill the tiny mosque that now becomes 
a madrassa -- a religious school.

Their imam -- or teacher -- arrives. A short man with a long beard and piercing 
gaze, he soon has the boys in his sway. He points and scolds, urging the boys 
to chant ever louder.

Some begin to beat their chests with fierce devotion. In this way, the imam 
says the boys will come to memorize the Quran until they can repeat the verses 
by heart.

"A child is like a tree, it will give fruit. When children come to see me I 
train them the right way," he tells me.

That way is the way of strict sharia law.

Girls are banned from their school. They tell me women should be behind doors 
at home. For them to go outside without a veil, they say, is filthy.

The boys are all open, forthright and sure of themselves and their faith. The 
imam is an approachable man with a gentle smile and soft handshake.

It is typical of such hard-line madrassas -- schools that gave birth to the 
Taliban have often been a breeding ground for suicide bombers and continue to 
flourish today. 

The message of faith and God is mixed with a hatred of anything outside their 
own world. The boys have been raised on a steady diet of anti-western 
propaganda. They are taught to fear outsiders and reject anything but the 
strict teachings of Islam.

In this world the United States and NATO forces have spent a decade trying to 
battle militant insurgency and to win hearts and minds.

Part of this mission is to steer impressionable young Muslim minds from the 
teachings of extremism, but here in this madrassa there is a compelling 
argument that the mission has failed.

Do you like the United States I ask? There is a resounding "No!"

Do you want them to leave? "Yes!" they yell. "We want our country to be 
peaceful. They are the devil."

One boy adds: "The Americans are making the Taliban and Afghans fight each 
other and then they watch. When they see us fighting, Americans are happy."

It's a message they get straight from their teacher, the imam himself.

"God says we can never be friends with unbelievers. What do they know of our 
religion? We can never be friends," he says.

These boys and their fathers before them have known little but war. There is no 
doubt they would fight for Islam.

Afghan authorities feared they were being trained to do just that.

Earlier this year, weapons, explosive devices and suicide bomber jackets were 
uncovered inside.

The previous imam is now in prison, linked to a Pakistani Taliban network.

The current imam refuses to believe it and says his predecessor should be 
released. The boys also stand by their previous teacher. To them it is all an 
American conspiracy.

Influenced by whispers, half-truths, suspicion and fear, they spin stories that 
sound fanciful -- yet what matters is they believe it.

"They kidnap mullahs and take them far away. I have seen on television 
Americans putting needles into the chests of people and pulling out the other. 
That's what they are doing to mullahs," one boy says.

With lessons over for the day, the boys fall into the dusty streets. Soon they 
are playing with a toy gun. They race headlong at our camera pretend firing and 
making machine gun sounds.

In this way they could be boys in any neighborhood any

[proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala


Pertama: Paus sudah mengakui dan minta ampun (forgiveness) atas kejahatan yang 
telah dilakukan orang katolik selama dua ribu tahun yang lalu..

Kedua: sekarang ini baik gereja katolik Roma maupun gereja anggota WCC menolak 
kekerasan, men,olak hukuman mati danmenolak  peperangan...


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Wong"  wrote:
>
> Sampeyan ndak perlu ngotot menilai kebaikan agama sendiri sambil menjelekan 
> agama orang lain.
> 
> membicarakan kejelekan suatu agama itu ada dimana mana, bukan hanya Islam, 
> Kristen juga mengandung kejelekan. Bisa saja bahwa ajaran Islam itu jelek, 
> tapi sepanjang tidak dilakukan kejelekan tsb tidak akan jadi masalah. 
> Contohnya saja GD , Syafii dll. mereka melakukan yang baik baik saja.
> 
> Dan di agama Kristen juga demikian, siapa yang tidak tahu sejarah gelap agama 
> kristen. Inkuisisi, orang dengan mudah di tuduh dukun santet, lalu di bakar 
> hidup2, pengekangan pendapat, kasus Galileo dll. terlalu banyak untuk di 
> sebut. itu suatu fakta yang tidak mungkin dibantah. meskipun bisa saja 
> sampeyan membawa ayat2 yang mengandung welas asih, tapi ayat2 tsb tidak akan 
> merubah fakta apapun. tapi untungnya sekarang Kristen sudah banyak berubah, 
> tapi itu tidak berarti bahwa Kristen hanya ada yang baik2 saja.
> 
> Tinggal sekarang orang Islam yang masih senang menggunakan kekerasan dan mau 
> menang sendiri. meskipun bisa saja dibela dengan menyodorkan ayat2 kebaikan 
> dan welas asih. tapi ini semua tidak akan merubah fakta apapun,dan tetap saja 
> bahwa yang ngebom kebanyakan orang Islam, bahwa yang mudah tersinggung juga 
> orang Islam, bahwa yang mbakar mejid AHmadiyah juga orang Islam, bahwa yang 
> memberlakukan hukum rajam adalah orang Islam, bahwa ribuan migran 
> meninggalkan negeri Islam karena tidak betah tinggal disana.
> 
> Jadi adu ayat sama sekali tidak berguna. sebaik apapun ajaran suatu agama, 
> kalo pemeluknya tidak bisa mengaplikasikan kebaikan tsb dalam kehidupan 
> bersama, tetap saja masarakat luas akan menilai agama tsb tidak baik. itulah 
> mengapa saya menggunkan pepatah lama bawa pohon di kenal dari buahnya, bahwa 
> agama dikenal dari kelakuan umatnya.
> 
> Rahayu
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Tolol, ajaran Islam itu ajaran bejad, jadi yg tahu Islam itu ngritik bukan 
> > hanya 
> > krn kelakuan bejad orang Islam, tp terutama krn ajaran Islam itu yg bikin 
> > orang2 
> > itu jadi bejad.
> > 
> > Sebelum lu ngoceh ttg agama, baiknya lu pelajari dulu apa yg ada di agama 
> > tsb.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Wong 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:10:11 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang 
> > Ada di 
> > Kepala
> > 
> >
> > Saya rasa bukan salah orang diluar Islam, jika mereka menilai negatif 
> > terhadap 
> > Islam. Saya ingin mengingatkan akan sebuah pepatah lama bahwa pohon di 
> > kenal 
> > dari buahnya. Sampeyan tahu maksud pepatah ini?, saya jelaskan sedikit saja.
> > 
> > Buah mangga berasal dari pohon mangga, demikian juga buah durian pastilah 
> > berasal dari pohon durian. Pohon welas asih akan menghasil buah buah belas 
> > kasihan: sabar, toleran, penunh pengertian. lah sekarang kalo buahnya 
> > berupa: 
> > terror, bom bunuh diri, pembekaran mesjid, pembakaran gereja, mudah 
> > teringgung. 
> > Berasal dari pohon apakah buah buah semacam itu?
> > 
> > Meskipun suatu pohon berasal dari bibit unggul, tapi kalo buah yang di 
> > hasilkan 
> > adalah yang jelek, yang asam, yang banyak bopengnya, yang banyak ulatnya, 
> > pastiah pak tani akan tidak segan menebang pohon itu. Betapaun baiknya 
> > kandungan 
> > isi ajaran Islam, tapi kalo buah yang dihasilkan faktanya seperti yang kita 
> > lihat sekarang, pastilah orang akan memberi penilaian negatif terhadap 
> > Islam. 
> > Apakah ini bermakna bahwa yang dihasilkan Islam melulu yang jelek?, 
> > TIDAK.Gus 
> > Dur, Syafii Maarif, Mbah kakung saya adalah contoh buah yang baik dari 
> > pohon 
> > yang bernama Islam.
> > 
> > Membaca hasil survey yang membuat hati miris, membaca statistik yang 
> > menghasilkan nilai negatif terhadap Islam, tidak perlu ditanggapi dengan 
> > sewot, 
> > justru itu menjadi bahan introspeksi diri, justru menjadi tugas orang2 
> > seperti 
> > GD, Syafii dll,(kalo di proletar siapa yah orang yang seperti GD?) untuk 
> > memerangi dari dalam, untuk mengikis buah buah buruk yang bernama terorisme 
> > dll. 
> > menyuruh orang lain mempelajari kandungan Quran dan membandingkan dengan 
> > ajaran 
> > lain yang mengandung kebejadan tidak akan menghasilkan apa apa.
> > 
> > Betapapun bejadnya Bibel yang didalamnya ada ayat2 pornografi, ada Raja 
> > yang 
> > ngecuk istri Temenggung nya, ada bapak yang ngentot anaknya, tapi lihat 
> > saja 
> > buah buahnya, apa yang dihasilkan?, pembagian indomi gratis, pengobatan 
> > gratis, 
> > pendidikan murah (mungkin sekarang tidak murah lagi). inil

[proletar] Bls: Re: Surat (Fikiran keji lagi bengis PAREWA PAREWA)°



Contoh fikiran keji lagi biadab PAREWA PAREWA yangg menganut ajaran agama taik 
anjing Islam yang bukan saja dungu, tapi juga buas, kejam, keji, zalim lagi 
biadab dan hanya berdasarkan omong kosong dan kibulan orang Arab primitif;..


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, PAREWA  wrote:
>
> Uwaik Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo, anakanda yag gadang sarawa sudah datang dan 
> mulai mengamuk. Bawalalah dia pergi ke sumur dibelakang rumah. Cemplungin 
> disitu supaya tak mengganggu orang2.
> 
> --- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, Jusfiq  menulis:
> 
> Dari: Jusfiq 
> Judul: [proletar] Re: Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq
> Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 7:04 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Â 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   Pergilan berobat Hasan Basri.
> 
> 
> 
> Anda tahu anda sudah gila.
> 
> 
> 
> Terus menerus unjuk isi otak anda yang sudah rusak, busuk, nista lagi 
> menjijikkan sungguh tidak ada gunanya. 
> 
> 
> 
> Hanya psikiater yang bisa menolong anda.
> 
> 
> 
> Pergilah berobat.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > Sungai Kelok, Padang Panjang 1 November 1965
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nak Jusfiak nan lancang,
> 
> > Kenapa waang kabur ke belando tanpa bilang bilang orang rumah? Apa ada 
> > hubungan nak Jusfiak dengan G30S yang hampir sajo membunuah Soekarno? 
> > Janganlah tiru semuo ajaran stalin ko, indak baik itu buat kesehatan otak. 
> > Dulu waang rajin pergi ke surau buat ngaji, sekarang bukan dahi waang  tapi 
> > pantat waang yang warnanya item abu. Kasianlah sama bunda kanduang. 
> > Melahirkan waang sesakit melahirkan iblis ke dunio, tau?
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nak Jusfiak nan gadang sarawa,
> 
> > Ngapin waang tinggal di belando negara kumpeni yang pernah menyiksa imam 
> > bonjol,waang indak pernah sekolah, tamat smp pun tidak mana mau bule 
> > panjajah memberi nak jusfiak nafkah? Dari mano uang maklan waang sehari 
> > hari ko? Jangan mau menerima toeslag jika harus memusuhi tanah air beta..
> 
> > 
> 
> > Nak Jusfiak,
> 
> > Kebiasaan bobo dengan bonobo indak baik, kawin sajalah waang seperti 
> > layaknya orang normal..Kalau tidak waang tidak akan bisa beranak pinak, 
> > malulah bunda kalau sampai orang sakampuang tahu kelakuan waang..
> 
> > 
> 
> > Kasilah kabar jika ada gadis pinangan, nanti kita pestakan yang mariah 
> 
> > careylah, cari besan orang barado biar terangkat rejeki kita sekeluargo, 
> > waang tidak jelek jelek amat dan agak mirip campurang penyanyi Charles 
> > Hutagalung dan Deddy Damhudi, rambut waang yang bikin waang seperti 
> > simpanse merah
> 
> > 
> 
> > segitulah dulu surat bunda 
> 
> > balaslah jika ada waktu
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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> 
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[proletar] About.com: Reasons Why People Run

Saya sudah menyampikan hasil penelitian ilmiah yang menunjukkan manfaat 
jogging.   

Sekedar mengingatkan ringkasan beberapa manfaat itu:


http://running.about.com/od/runningforbeginners/a/whatisrunning_2.htm

#  Running for Health Benefits

Studies have shown the health benefits of running to be tremendous, reducing 
your chances of everything from the common cold to cancer. Running is among the 
best aerobic exercises for physical conditioning of your heart and lungs. It 
helps ensure the efficient flow of blood and oxygen throughout the body, things 
that are proven to help to decrease the risk of a heart attack.

Running -- like other types of exercise -- is a great stress-reliever and may 
even relieve mild depression. Many runners enjoy reaching the "runner's high" 
-- that euphoric, clear, and calm state they feel after a long run.

Research shows that healthy adults who exercise regularly are generally happier 
than those who don't. As a runner, you'll likely feel more energetic and 
creative.

Running helps you improve your fitness and stamina. As a weight-bearing 
exercise, running also increases bone density, which can fend off osteoporosis.

Although running is a healthy activity, you should get medical clearance before 
you start a running program.

# Running for Weight Loss

Weight loss is one of the biggest reasons why people start running. As one of 
the most vigorous exercises out there, running is an extremely efficient way to 
burn calories and drop pounds. Running burns about 100 calories per mile for a 
150-pound person. Because running also builds muscle mass, your resting 
metabolism will increase, which means that you'll burn more calories at rest. 
If you combine running with a healthy diet, you'll definitely notice a 
difference in the way you look and feel. 





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[proletar] BBC: Iraq inquiry: Campbell dossier evidence questioned



12 May 2011 Last updated at 16:43 GMT


Iraq inquiry: Campbell dossier evidence questioned
Tony Blair appearing before the Iraq inquiry The inquiry is examining why the 
UK went to war in Iraq in 2003
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A senior ex-intelligence official has disputed Alastair Campbell's evidence 
about a dossier which outlined the threat posed by Saddam Hussein.

Tony Blair's ex-spokesman told the Iraq inquiry last year the September 2002 
document was designed to set out UK concerns, not "make the case for war".

But Michael Laurie said those producing it "saw it exactly as that and that was 
the direction we were given".

Mr Campbell had said he had "nothing to add" to the evidence he had given.

The Iraq report is due later this year and the inquiry panel, headed by Sir 
John Chilcot, is currently considering all the material it has received - 
including de-classified documents and evidence given during more than 100 
public hearings over the past 18 months.

Among fresh documents it published on Thursday was a letter from Michael 
Laurie, a member of the Defence Intelligence Staff in the run-up to the March 
2003 invasion.
'Defended every word'

In the letter, written in response to evidence given by Mr Campbell in January 
2010, he disputes Mr Campbell's explanation for the motivation behind the 
dossier on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

As No 10 director of communications between 1997 and 2003, Mr Campbell played a 
key role in the dossier - which contained the controversial claim that WMD 
could be deployed in 45 minutes of an order to use them.

In his evidence, Mr Campbell said he "defended every single word" of the 
document and that it did not "in any sense misrepresent the situation" with 
regard to Iraq at the time.
Continue reading the main story
"Start Quote

We knew at the time that the purpose of the dossier was precisely to make a 
case for war rather than setting out the available intelligence"

End Quote Michael Laurie Former intelligence official

* Iraq inquiry: Day-by-day timeline

Describing it as a "cautious" assessment, he insisted it had not been designed 
to present the "case for war" but to highlight why Mr Blair was increasingly 
concerned about the threat posed by Iraq.

But Mr Laurie - who was responsible for delivering intelligence material on 
Iraq to assessment teams within the Ministry of Defence - said he disagreed 
with Mr Campbell's argument.

"Alastair Campbell said to the inquiry that the purpose of the dossier was not 
to "make a case for war," he wrote. "I had no doubt at this time this was 
exactly its purpose and these very words were used."

He added: "We knew at the time that the purpose of the dossier was precisely to 
make a case for war rather than setting out the available intelligence."

A similar document produced six months earlier had been rejected as it had "not 
made a strong enough case", he claimed.

"From then until September we were under pressure to find intelligence that 
could reinforce the case."
'Direction and pressure'

But despite what he said was probably the most thorough "scrutiny of every 
piece of ground" in Iraq, he said intelligence experts could find no evidence 
of planes, missiles or any equipment related to WMD.

He also suggested the Joint Intelligence Committee ultimately responsible for 
producing and signing off the dossier had come under "direction and pressure" - 
something Mr Campbell has always strongly disputed.
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Alastair Campbell giving evidence

"During the drafting of the final dossier, every fact was managed to make it as 
strong as possible, the final statements reaching beyond the conclusions 
intelligence assessments would normally draw from such facts."

The dossier included a foreword by Mr Blair in which he wrote that he believed 
the intelligence had established "beyond doubt" that Iraq continued to produce 
chemical weapons.

Mr Campbell, who drafted the first version of the foreword - ultimately 
approved by Mr Blair - said no-one in intelligence challenged this statement.

However, on the 45-minute claim, which was retracted after the war, he has said 
the dossier "obviously" could have been clearer about it referring to 
battlefield munitions.
Autumn report

Questions about Mr Campbell's role in the dossier were at the centre of a 
post-war row with the BBC culminating in the death of the government weapons 
expert Dr David Kelly and the subsequent Hutton inquiry.

The BBC News Channel's chief political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg said Mr 
Campbell had said he had "nothing to add" to evidence he had given to the 
inquiry.

He said the dossier was not about making the case for war but had set out why 
the government had become more concerned about Iraq's weapons. He added he had 
"never met Gen Laurie".

She added that most people had strongly-held vie

[proletar] Security forces target Bahrain medics

Lihat videonya:

http://aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2011/05/2011512111835943173.html
 
Middle East
Security forces target Bahrain medics

Part two of our exclusive report on Bahrain looks at the abuse of medical 
workers as part of the government's crackdown.
Last Modified: 12 May 2011 16:36



An Al Jazeera investigation has found evidence that Bahrain's security forces 
are torturing medical workers to force criminal confessions.

Since pro-democracy protests erupted in the Gulf kingdom in February, doctors 
and nurses have been targeted, with hundreds facing arrest, Charles Stratford 
reports in this Al Jazeera exclusive.

The government of Bahrain deployed security forces onto the streets on March 14 
in an attempt to quell more than four weeks of protests.

Medics working to save the lives of hundreds of wounded demonstrators were 
among those threatened and arrested.

Forty-seven health workers, 24 doctors and 23 nurses have been charged since 
the protests began, while 150 more are reportedly under investigation by the 
government.

Some medics reported being taken from their homes by armed masked men.

"We were blindfolded for about 10 hours. Only at the time when [we] were 
videotaped did they take the blindfolds off," one medic told Al Jazeera's 
Stratford.
Click here for more of our special coverage

"When we started to talk, if they didn't like the things that we were saying 
they stopped us and told us again that we should say this this and this."

The health workers now face trial on charges that include inciting hatred 
against the Bahraini government.

"Those people who interfered with the accessibility of the hospital to the 
population of Bahrain are the guys who are responsible for a criminal act and 
disobedience of the civil service rules of the government of Bahrain," Mohamed 
Amin Alawadi, the chief of medical staff at Salmaniya medical complex, told Al 
Jazeera in response to claims the medical staff were targeted because they 
treated Shia protesters.

Sabah al-Mukhtar, from the Arab Lawyers Association, told Al Jazeera: "There is 
a presumption that the judiciary is independent but if the legislation ties the 
hand of the judiciary in this case the judiciary cannot do very much."

"I think the judiciary in Bahrain will be just as bad as the other third world 
countries generally speaking," he said.

Al Jazeera has been trying to contact the Bahraini government for response to 
the latest allegations but has heard nothing from the officials so far.

Earlier, Bahraini officials denied an Al Jazeera report that police had carried 
out raids on girls' schools, detaining them and beating them, during its 
crackdown against pro-democracy protesters.

"The allegations made by Al Jazeera English are totally baseless and without 
credibility," sources quoted by the Bahraini news agency said.

Bahraini authorities were responding to the first exclusive report by Charles 
Stratford, where secret filming by our correspondent revealed shocking evidence 
of the state's brutal crackdown on dissent.

This is the second in a series of exclusive reports from Bahrain.
Source:
Al Jazeera






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[proletar] Indonesia's Judicial Flying Circus

Refleksi : Adalah hal umum bahwa penguasa rezim NKRI adalah kumpulan tukang 
tadah, tukang catut, tukang segala hal yang buruk-buruk untuk rakyat. Mereka 
ini mendominasi di semua jabatan dan tingkat lapangan adminstrasi kekuasaan 
negara dari pusat sampai ke pelosok-pelosok negeri. Jadi biar mereka jungkir 
balik dengan lidah bersepuhan ayat-ayat suci,  berkat keuntungan kepada rakyat 
tidak akan dihasilkan. 

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3189&Itemid=367


Indonesia's Judicial Flying Circus

Written by Our Correspondent
Thursday, 12 May 2011 
 
Nunun looks alert enough (photo: Jakarta Globe)Vast numbers of lawmakers are 
carted off to jail although the serious questions remain to be asked 




It seemed to be the kind of headline that could only appear in an Indonesian 
newspaper: 

"Final 15 Lawmakers in Miranda Case Finally Stand Trial," read a recent edition 
of the Jakarta Globe.

But indeed, not only were 15 former members of Indonesia's House of 
Representatives on trial in five separate hearings for accepting bribes, 
another 11 for a total of 26 have been ensnared in a case involving a vote for 
Miranda Goeltom, a 61-year-old economist who was appointed a senior deputy 
governor of Bank Indonesia, the country's central bank, in 2004 over two other 
candidates. Nor is that all. According to a tally by Asia News, 51 lawmakers 
from the Ninth Commission of the House of Representatives alone, which oversees 
banking affairs, have been accused of corruption for various reasons. That is 
nearly 10 percent of the house, which has 560 members. 

The trials are notable for a variety of reasons. They include the astonishing 
numbers of corrupt politicians in the dock, the fact that the Corruption 
Eradication Commission, or KPK (its Indonesian language acronym) is 
incorruptible enough to catch them, that they appear in court meekly -- and 
that the marathon trials are not bothering to mention who bribed them or why. 
Sirra Prayuna, a lawyer for one lawmaker under questioning, told reporters it 
was important to find out the reason the money was given.

"There is no rule that bans state officials from receiving something as long as 
it does not break the law, Prayuna said. "But until now, we do not know the 
real purpose of the one who gave the money." Nor is that question likely to be 
answered.

The bribes seem to have been spread equally between members of the Democrat 
party, headed by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Golkar, headed by 
businessman Aburizal Bakrie, and the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle 
(PDI-P), headed by former President Megawati Sukarnoputri. President Yudhoyono 
has sternly promised to discipline any members of his party who are convicted 
of corruption.

The case was broken open originally by a former member of Megawati's PDI-P 
named Agus Condro Prayitno. Prayitno told KPK officials he and dozens of other 
lawmakers had received billions of rupiahs to guarantee Goeltom's re-election 
as deputy governor. Prayitno, also suspected of corruption, told the court he 
had decided to disclose the facts to clear his conscience and added that he had 
returned the ill-gotten funds.

Goeltom, who has since left the central bank, apparently is not under threat of 
indictment because there is no proof that she knew bribes were being paid to 
install her in office, although she was called to the Anti-Corruption Court 
this week to answer questions. She said it had been four years since she had 
seen Nunun Nurbaeti Daradjatun, considered the missing link in the case. 
Nurbaeti is a businesswoman and wife of former Deputy National Police Chief 
Adang Daradjatun, who is now a member of Parliament for the pro-Islamic PKS 
party. 

Nurbaeti, nonetheless said to be an associate of Goeltom's, has been identified 
as having delivered the bagfuls of checks to the lawmakers' offices. However, 
she has since fled to Singapore, citing a mysterious illness that rendered her 
incapable of remembering anything. She has subsequently ignored several 
summonses from the KPK while her lawyer, Ina Rachman, claims she is being 
treated for an illness that causes memory loss, which has become a running joke 
in political circles. 

Rachman, however, says claims that her client was not ill are false. "She is 
still ill. According to her family, her condition is deteriorating and there's 
nothing they can do," Rachman told reporters in Jakarta.

According to testimony in the various trials, some 480 travelers' checks 
totaling Rp24 billion (US$2.8 million) were handed out to lawmakers, who 
claimed they thought the money was campaign contributions that weren't linked 
to any particular legislative action.

The travelers' checks were purchased by a company called First Mujur, a palm 
oil company, from Artha Graha Bank. Both First Mujur and Artha Graha are 
subsidiaries of the Artha Graha Group, owned by a Sumatran businessman named 
Tommy Winata. The checks, accor

[proletar] Getting Sexy in China

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3187&Itemid=206

Getting Sexy in China


Written by Rebecca Valli
Wednesday, 11 May 2011 
 
Miss Plastic Surgery 2010 says it was worth it If heredity and genes don't get 
it for you, perhaps the scalpel will 

In a globalized world, beauty standards tend to merge. While Nordic features 
and toned bodies are the dominant aesthetic in advertising and show business, 
in China where Western looks are genetically unattainable, more and more women 
are nonetheless resorting to going under the scalpel. 

Cosmetic surgery is now a US$2.5 billion annual industry in China and one that 
is growing at a pace of 20 percent a year according to the official Xinhua News 
Agency. The No. 9 People's Hospital in Shanghai alone handles 25,000 cosmetic 
operations a year, with women - and men too -- across the country having nearly 
2.5 million operations in 2009, landing the country in third place behind the 
United States and Brazil for attempts at beautification. 

The procedure can be a gamble. It is estimated that more than 200,000 lawsuits 
have been filed against plastic surgeons in the last 10 years, according to the 
China Quality Daily. Newspapers are filled with stories and pictures of 
horrific malpractice, with women's noses that are now cavities in their faces, 
jaws misshapen and other horrors committed by practitioners, some with the 
barest amount of medical training, who are in it for the money. 

In November last year, former TV talent show contestant Wang Bei died as a 
result of complications on the surgery table. At 24 she was in for a surgical 
procedure to reshape her jaw. Her death showed the ugly side of Chinese 
obsession with beauty and sparked a debate in the country. 

But it is a gamble that millions of people are willing to take.

"Don't be nervous. The more relaxed you are the faster it will be. First I am 
going to draw the line on your eyes, then I let you see," Dr Yang Renbao 
assures a patient he is treating at a Beijing hospital. "Then we will do the 
anesthetic and only when all is in place we will start the procedure." 

Yang is a Beijing surgeon in his 30s. He has worked for five years at the 
private Evercare hospital, one of the capital's top places to go for plastic 
surgery. He says the change in his field has been huge over recent years. 

"There has been a change in people's level of knowledge -from an uninformed 
level they are now very aware and ask many specific questions. Every year it 
becomes more evident that patients have more demands and expect more concrete 
result. A few years ago, if a patient could get a double eyelid that was 
pretty, that was good enough," he says.

In the west, cosmetic surgery tends to serve older women who hope to look 
younger, but in China, it is mostly young women, Yang says.

"Chinese people are very susceptible to fashion. Many people have a certain 
idea of themselves and they don't want to wait until they are old to realize 
their aspiration. There are more young people and many of them have worked for 
one or two years so they have reached a certain economic level and can do it," 
Yang says.

Sitting on the grass at her university park, 24-year-old Summer Shi recalls the 
day of her surgery. Shi says she always felt her eyes were too small and every 
morning she would apply a piece of sticky tape on the upper part of her eyelid 
to fake an "o" shaped eye look. 

Many of her friends have undergone double eyelid surgery which, through 
incision and suture, adds a crease on the eyelid.

"I started thinking about doing it a year or so before I actually did it," says 
Shi. "But I could not make up my mind. And then one day, a family friend just 
took me to do it. I wasn't even prepared. She said she and my mom were waiting 
in the car and that I should just go with them to do it. So I went." 

Shi is happy with the results of her surgery, which cost 800 yuan (US$123.20.) 
She had the surgery on the lunar New Year break, away from the eyes of her 
classmates and in the safe and supportive nest of her family. When she came 
back to school, friends told her she looked prettier, but they did ask how her 
eyes became so big all of a sudden. 

Support from parents is a common feature in these stories. Susan Feiner, a 
feminist economist at the University of Maine, says she is not surprised by the 
fact that parents tend to support their daughters' wish to change their bodies 
through surgery. 

"Parents are caught between a traditional world view and a postmodernist world 
view. On the traditional side especially, your daughter is your property and 
potential to social advancement," she says. "On the postmodern side you have 
this idea that western beauty, this imported beauty ideal, is really a sign of 
your family's openness to the future. So those two impulses - a very 
traditional impulse and the more modern neo-liberalism impulse come together at 
the moment of submittin

[proletar] RUU INTELEJEN MENGANCAM MASYARAKAT???

2011-05-12 Thread Nanang Heriyanto

Selain mengancam kebebasan pers/ media massa, juga mengancam kebebasan 
masyarakat, dan bisa menimbulkan ketakutan didalam masyarakat, karena adanya 
peluang berbuat sewenang2, tanpa persetujuan pengadilan.. alias.. hukum 
tidak diperlukan lagi, jika intelejen sedang berhadapan dengan warga 
negaranya sendiri.



saya hanya ajukan saran pada pemerintahan sekarang:

seharusnya intelejen kita diarahkan untuk menghadapi kekuatan asing yang 
sudah demikian dahsyat merongrong negara kita.. janganlah intelejen kita
 juga aparat pemerintahan kita malah diarahkan baik langsung maupun tidak 
langsung, memusuhi warga negaranya sendiri...

Bisa2 akan terjadi, berani kejam pada warga negara sendiri, tapi malah patuh 
pada penguasa dari luar negeri.



Kalau itu terjadi, apa bedanya kita dengan zaman penjajahan sebelum 
kemerdekaan???


---

From: Margiyono 

Subject: RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS (PERNYATAAN PERS AJI-PWI-IJTI)

Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 1:05 AM









 



  



  
  
  AJI-PWI-IJTI


PERNYATAAN PERS


RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS





Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat (DPR) bersama pemerintah berencana mengesahkan 
Rancangan Undang-Undang tentang Intelijen dalam waktu dekat ini. Setelah
 melakukan pengkajian konsekuensi RUU tersebut terhadap kebebasan pers 
di Indonesia, kami para pelaku pers yang tergabung dalam Persatuan 
Wartawan Indonesia (PWI), Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI), dan Ikatan 
Jurnalis Televisi Indonesia (IJTI) menemukan beberapa masalah mendasar 
dalam RUU Intelijen tersebut, antara lain:





Pertama, adanya kewenangan badan intelijen untuk melakukan intersepsi 
tanpa persetujuan pengadilan. Hal ini mengancam kebebasan pers, karena 
intelijen dapat melakukan intersepsi terhadap komunikasi pekerja pers 
dengan narasumber, yang bisa jadi bersifat rahasia. Pasal tersebut 
membuka peluang badan intelijen untuk menyalahgunakan kekuasaan untuk 
memata-matai wartawan.  Padahal, dalam menjalankan tugasnya, wartawan 
sering melakukan komunikasi dengan narasumber secara terselubung. Bahkan
 wartawan berkewajiban melindungi identitas narasumber konfidensial, 
jika diperlukan.




Kedua, adanya pasal mengenai pembatasan informasi merupakan ancaman bagi
 hak untuk memperoleh informasi. Sebagaimana diamanatkan UU No. 40 tahun
 1999 tentang Pers, wartawan memiliki kebebasan dalam mencari, 
memperoleh, dan menyebarkan informasi. Dengan demikian, adanya 
pembatasan informasi intelijen berpotensi mengebiri hak dan kewajiban 
pers sebagaimana diatur UU Pers tersebut. Sementara itu,  UU No. 14 
tahun 2008 tentang Keterbukaan Informasi Publik menjamin setiap orang, 
termasuk wartawan, untuk memperoleh informasi dari badan-badan publik. 
Untuk informasi yang berkategori rahasia, telah diatur dalam pasal 17 UU
 ini. Dengan adanya pembatasan informasi itu, maka RUU Intelijen 
berpotensi mengebiri UU KIP yang baru mulai berlaku tanggal 30 April 
tahun lalu.





Ketiga, adanya pasal yang memberi wewenang badan intelijen negara untuk 
melakukan penangkapan selama tujuh hari merupakan ancaman terhadap 
seluruh warganegara, termasuk wartawan. Pasal ini dapat disalahgunakan 
untuk menangkap pekerja pers yang memiliki informasi yang dianggap 
membahayakan negara. Padahal, pekerja pers selalu bergumul dengan 
informasi, termasuk informasi yang terkait dengan kemanan negara. 
Penangkapan hanyalah wewenang aparat penegak hukum, bukan intelijen 
negara, dengan prosedur sesuai Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana (KUHAP) 
dan hukum acara pidana lain yang berlaku.





Kami menilai, UU Intelijen semestinya dibuat untuk mengontrol aktivitas 
intelijen agar tidak bertindak melampaui wewenang, bukan malah untuk 
untuk melegitimasi tindakan intelijen yang melampuai hukum. 
Undang-undang Intelijen seharusnya dibuat berdasarkan prinsip demokrasi,
 hak asasi manusia, dan negara hukum dengan tetap menghormasi 
Undang-Undang Dasar, Undang-Undang Pers, dan UU Keterbukaan Informasi 
Publik.





Jakarta, 12 Mei 2010





1. Margiono, Ketua Persatuan Wartawan Indonesia (PWI) Pusat





2. Nezar Patria, Ketua Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI) Indonesia





3. Imam Wahyudi, Ketua Ikatan Jurnalis Televisi Indonesia (IJTI)

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2011-05-12 Thread ajeg



"Aku tahu kalian di sini untuk membunuhku. 
Tembak, pengecut! Kalian hanyalah pembunuh." 
- che (14 Mei 1928 - 9 Oktober 1967) 


- 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_712bA8Zo

Hasta siempre, comandante (let's start) 
Hasta siempre, comandante (mars track) 
Hasta siempre, comandante (revolution never stopped) 
Hasta siempre, comandante (revolution will never die)
Hasta siempre, comandante (Mahatma Gandhi) 
Hasta siempre, comandante (Bung Karno)
Hasta siempre, comandante (Cut Nya Dien)
Hasta siempre, comandante (as always)
Hasta siempre, comandante (bangkit) 


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50 TAHUN RI-KUBA
"From Indonesia with Love"

Senin, 19 Juli 2010 | 04:29 WIB

Oleh Irwan Julianto

Presiden Indonesia Soekarno disambut oleh Presiden Kuba 
Fidel Castro (tegah) dan Che Guevara (kedua dari kanan) di 
Bandara Jose Marti, Havana, Kuba, pada kunjungan kenegaraan 
tanggal 13 Mei 1960. Kunjungan ini untuk meresmikan hubungan 
diplomatik antara Indonesia dan Kuba yang dijalin sejak awal 
1960. (Foto: KOLEKSI KEDUTAAN BESAR KUBA JAKARTA) 


Baik di ruang tamu Kedutaan Besar Republik Indonesia di 
Havana maupun di ruang tamu Kedutaan Besar Kuba di Jakarta 
terpampang foto yang sama: Presiden Soekarno di Bandara 
Jose Marti, Havana, disambut oleh Presiden Kuba Fidel Castro, 
Che Guevara, dan deretan pejabat Kuba lain. 

Di latar belakang terlihat pesawat yang membawa Presiden 
Soekarno ke Kuba pada 13 Mei 1960. Di bagian bawah foto 
terbaca tulisan tangan "From Indonesia with Love". Tulisan 
tangan tegak ini, menurut Dubes Kuba untuk RI Jorge Leon, 
kemungkinan besar adalah tulisan tangan Soekarno karena 
cukup banyak orang di Havana menyatakan demikian.

Kunjungan Presiden Soekarno pertama kali ke Kuba ini 
menandai peresmian hubungan diplomatik RI-Kuba 50 tahun 
lalu. Sebelumnya, pertengahan tahun 1959 Che Guevara diutus 
Fidel Castro untuk mengunjungi beberapa negara Asia, 
termasuk Indonesia, untuk merintis formalitas hubungan 
diplomatik. Che bertemu Soekarno, Megawati, bahkan 
mengunjungi Candi Borobudur. 

Peringatan 50 tahun hubungan diplomatik RI-Kuba tahun ini 
dilakukan secara sederhana dengan sebuah seminar di Havana 
dan pameran di Bandung, serta ditandai oleh penerbitan 
prangko di Havana dan Jakarta beserta sampul hari pertamanya, 
22 Januari dan 23 Februari lalu. Gambar kedua sampul hari 
pertama bersama foto Soekarno di Havana dan Che di Borobudur 
dapat kita saksikan di Bentara Budaya Jakarta (BBJ) yang 
mulai Senin (19/7) hingga Rabu (21/7) mengadakan Festival 
Film-film Kuba. 

Lewat ke-11 film dalam acara itu, kita dapat sedikit banyak 
memahami kesulitan hidup di negara miskin yang pernah 
menjadi yang paling kaya di kawasan Karibia ini. Mobil tua 
buatan Amerika tahun 1950-an masih banyak berkeliaran di kota 
Havana karena sejak Fidel Castro dan Che Guevara pada awal 
tahun 1959 berhasil menyingkirkan diktator Fulgencio Batista, 
hubungan diplomatik Kuba-Amerika Serikat terputus, menyusul 
nasionalisasi perusahaan-perusahaan AS di Kuba oleh Castro. 

Fidel Castro, yang kini sakit-sakitan dan hampir tak pernah 
tampil di depan umum sejak empat tahun lalu, pekan lalu 
muncul di depan umum. Perkembangan politik terakhir 
menunjukkan mulai longgarnya kekangan politik di negeri 
anggota Gerakan Nonblok yang oleh AS dituding sebagai 
"satelit Uni Soviet" ini. Puluhan tahanan politik segera 
akan dibebaskan. Presiden AS Barack Obama pun mengizinkan 
warga AS keturunan Kuba untuk mengunjungi dan mengirim uang 
ke Kuba.

Pemulihan hubungan diplomatik Kuba-AS? "Rasanya untuk periode 
pertama Obama masih sulit, tetapi kalau Obama terpilih lagi 
tahun 2012, tidak mustahil hubungan Kuba-AS akan pulih lagi. 
Dengan Vietnam saja yang berperang dengan AS, Washington mau 
berbaikan lagi, sementara kedua negara kami tak pernah 
berperang. Ganjalannya hanya di perusahaan-perusahaan milik 
AS dan pangkalan militer Guantanamo," tutur Jorge Leon.

Matahari kembar

Sudah menjadi rahasia umum di antara Fidel Castro dan Che 
ada persaingan popularitas. Mereka bagaikan "matahari kembar" 
bagi rakyat Kuba. Keduanya menyandang panggilan "Comandante" 
atau pangkat mayor. Ketika mengunjungi Kuba bulan November 
lalu, terlihat gambar Che di mana-mana, di mural/ dinding 
hingga T-shirt, terutama reproduksi foto jepretan Alberto Korda 
yang konon adalah foto paling banyak dikopi di seluruh dunia.

Pada 12 Juni 1959, belum genap enam bulan sesudah Revolusi 
Kuba meraih kemenangan, Castro mengutus Che selama tiga bulan 
untuk mengunjungi 14 negara Asia, kebanyakan negara peserta 
Konferensi Asia-Afrika di Bandung tahun 1955. Pada rentang 
tiga bulan inilah Che berkunjung ke Jakarta dan menyempatkan 
diri ke Borobudur. 

Mengirim Che dari Havana memungkinkan Castro muncul agak 
berjarak dari Che dan para simpatisannya yang menganut 
marxisme. Che memang bukan warga asli Kuba karena ia 
dilahirkan di Argentina. Ia bergabung dengan Castro di 
Meksiko sebelum mendarat dan bergerilya di Kuba melawan 
pasukan Batista. Ketika kembali ke Kuba pada September

[proletar] Rp 50m Paycheck For DPR Members

Refl. Sekalipun gaji Rp 50,-- juta  ditambah tunjangan legal mau pun tidak 
legal sudah lumayan besar, tetapi agaknya masih saja kurang jadi perlu dinaikan 
menjadi misalnya Rp 100,-- juta atau lebih lagi, agar anggota DPR pada waktu 
sidang bisa lebih sering nonton film porno atau main tetris seperti wanita yang 
terlihat pada gambar.Siapa yang tidak mau gaji besar  dengan berkedudukan 
menjadi anggota DPR? 

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/rp-50m-paycheck-for-dpr-members/440842


Rp 50m Paycheck For DPR Members
Anita Rachman | May 13, 2011

 A house member playing "Tetris" on her iPad during a plenary meeting at the 
House of Representatives. Indonesian lawmakers' take home pay could reach as 
much at Rp 51.5 million per month. JG Photo/Yudhi Sukma Wijaya 



























How much money do Indonesian lawmakers actually take home every month? Judging 
from what one lawmaker has to say about it, the figure exceeds Rp 51 million 
($6,000) - too much, many would think. 

Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, from the Golkar Party, said that every month, he 
receives Rp 51.5 million in take-home pay after taxes. This includes his basic 
salary, allowances and benefits. 

He said that the various sums of money he received each month included an 
intensive communications stipend, a monitoring and budgeting allowance, a 
committee allowance, a phone and electricity allowance, an aspiration allowance 
(for meeting with constituents) and even an honor allowance. 

House leaders, he said, had even more pay and stipends, with a commission 
chairman taking home Rp 54.9 million per month and deputies Rp 53.6 million. 

Roy Salam, from the Indonesian Budget Center, told the Jakarta Globe that based 
on their current performance, members of the House of Representatives did not 
deserve such high wages. 

He cited a slow legislation process, poor attendance of meetings and wasteful 
trips overseas. 

"Why are we paying them that much for their poor performances?" Roy asked. "It 
must be revised, it must be adjusted to their performance." 

Basuki said political parties usually garnished the salaries of their 
lawmakers. Golkar, for instance, took Rp 3.3 million from him each month. 

Basuki added that since the completion of a housing complex for lawmakers, they 
no longer received a Rp 12.5 million monthly housing allowance. However, he 
said that other sources of state funds had been found or were being sought to 
offset the loss. 

"They have been looking for new [budget] posts, so our total take-home pay has 
only been reduced by about Rp 6 million." 

Basuki said that he even heard that lawmakers were trying to add more budget 
posts so that they would still receive the same allowance as before the housing 
complex was completed. 

Syarifuddin Sudding, from the People's Conscience Party (Hanura), told the 
Globe that he never paid attention to the details of his salary and allowances. 

"All lawmakers receive about the same income," he said, adding that the amounts 
were not regulated by the lawmakers themselves. 

"It's the Household Affairs Committee [BURT] and the House Secretariat that 
sets the standard," Syarifuddin said. 

He added that the allowances received by lawmakers were reasonable, given the 
fact that they needed financial support to communicate with constituents as 
well as pass laws. 

However, Refrizal, BURT deputy chairman, denied it was his committee that set 
salaries and allowances, saying it was the House Secretariat, which was just 
following state guidelines. 

Refrizal also said the take-home pay was not as high as Basuki claimed.

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[proletar] Islamic Hard-Liners Plan Massive Pancasila Rally

Refl: Rupanya ular hijau mau ganti kulitnya, tetapi bagaimana dengan bisanya?
hehehe

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/islamic-hard-liners-plan-massive-pancasila-rally/440537

Islamic Hard-Liners Plan Massive Pancasila Rally
Nivell Rayda | May 11, 2011

Cianjur, West Java. After failing to kick-start a revolution through massive
protests echoing those in the Middle East this year, hard-line Muslim groups
are now plotting an even bigger rally next month, this time claiming they have
forged an unlikely alliance with nationalists.

Speaking from his home in West Java, Chep Hermawan, the leader of the Islamic
Reform Movement (Garis), said that 40,000 protesters were expected to rally in
front of the Presidential Palace in Jakarta on June 1.

"Basically everyone who is a staunch critic of SBY will be on board," Chep
said, referring to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. "It will be like Cairo,
where everyone who didn't like Mubarak joined forces to topple a corrupt
government."

Chep named Sri Bintang Pamungkas, a Suharto-era political activist, and Andi
Mapetahang Fatwa, a member of the Regional Representatives Council (DPD), as
being among the nationalists who had expressed an interest in taking part in
the rally.

"We plan on doing this on the anniversary of the Pancasila," Chep said,
referring to the state ideology first articulated by former President Sukarno
on June 1, 1945.

Chep said Muslim groups were hoping to return the Pancasila to its original
state, as outlined in the Jakarta Charter of June 22, 1945. The first principle
of the Jakarta Charter, which was ultimately incorporated into the preamble of
the constitution, was the "obligation for all followers to observe Shariah
law." It was later changed to "Belief in the one and only God," by then-Vice
President Mohammad Hatta.

"We want the Pancasila to return to its original state," Chep said. "We don't
reject the Pancasila, rather we want to restore it to its intended purpose."

The protest, Chep added, would also cover other topical issues. "Basically our
plan is to stage a rally that appeals to all, not just Muslims," he said. "We
have been talking with the nationalists and they agreed to join our rally, but
they will be pushing labor issues, agricultural reform and so on."

Demonstrators, he said, would also demand the dissolution of Ahmadiyah, a
minority Islamic sect considered deviant by mainstream Muslims.

In February, a massive rally by hard-line groups demanded Yudhoyono issue a
decree banning Ahmadiyah, threatening a revolution if he failed to do so by
March 1. Nothing has happened since the deadline passed.

Chep blamed a lack of coordination and funds for the failure of the February
protests.

For the June protest, Chep said that meetings had been, and would continue to
be, held with leaders of opposition parties and former presidential candidates,
asking them for political and financial support. "I have also prepared Rp 2
billion [$234,000] to finance the rally in the hope that opponents of the
government will be convinced to invest as well," Chep said.

Executives of the hard-line Islamic Defenders Front (FPI) and the Islamic
People's Forum (FUI) said they had not yet heard of the plan.

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Re: [proletar] House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion

Padahal kalo sewa server, paling2 cuma beberapa puluh juta rupiah sethn. 
Malahan 
kalo cuma pasang website aja, sebln ongkosnya bisa di bawah 100 ribu.

Kalo punya server sendiri, biayanya bisa kira2 dihitung sbb:
- 1 buah server, katakanlah Rp 20 juta
- 1 buat modem, paling cuma beberapa juta max
- UPS unt 1 server dan 1 modem max beberapa juta
- software, paling2 beberapa puluh juta
- sewa bandwidth ke ISP, gua rasa paling2 cuma beberapa juta/bln.

GImana bisa sampe milyaran? Hehehe






From: sunny 
To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 3:46:36 PM
Subject: [proletar] House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion

   
Refl: Mengapa tidak sekaligus dibikin bulat menjadi Rp 10 miliard saja, biar 
ada 
kelebihan uang untuk minum kopi bersama pacar atau isteri simpanan bin gundik? 
Beginilah takdirnya rezim tukang catut!, Hehehehe

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/05/12/house-website-did-not-cost-rp-9-billion.html


House: Website did not cost Rp 9 billion
The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Thu, 05/12/2011 12:39 PM | National 

An official at the Data and Information Monitoring Center (P3DI) of the House 
of 
Representatives Secretariate General says the budget allocated for maintaining 
the House website, www.dpr.go.id, was Rp 179 million (US$20,943) per year.

The Indonesian Budget Center recently released information that the House had 
allocated around Rp 8.4 billion to upgrade the site and Rp 1.4 billion for its 
maintenance.

"The maintenance of the website ... cost only Rp 179 million per year," P3DI 
chief Damayanti said.

She added that this amount covered five areas including server maintenance and 
providing an uninterrupted power supply (UPS) system.

Damayanti added that the website had cost Rp 1.4 billion to set up, way under 
the ceiling cost of Rp 4.3 billion budgeted for the project. 


The cost of the upkeep was minimized because House employees took 
responsibility 
for its maintenance.

"We did not have a big budget because everything [else] was provided free of 
charge, including applications," she added, as reported by tribunnews.com.

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Re: [proletar] CNN: Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque

Ga cuma di Afghan, di Inggris aja anak2 diajarin ajaran kebencian di sekolah 
Islam.

Ga percuma tuh Inggris disebut jg sbg Londonistan, kayak Afghanistan, hehehe...






From: Jusfiq 
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Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:21:55 PM
Subject: [proletar] CNN: Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque

   

Lihat videonya:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/11/afghanistan.madrassa/index.html?hpt=C2

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Kids learn hate at Afghan mosque

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The Muslim call to prayer echoes through a poor 
neighborhood, stirring the faithful. Men shuffle into a tiny 
mud-and-straw-brick 
mosque nestled among houses down a dirt lane.

And they bring their sons, clutching tattered copies of the Quran, for lessons 
in hate at a religious school in Kabul, Afghanistan's capital.

Outside, day is just breaking. Inside, the boys' heads are bowed. Some clutch 
prayer beads, as they recite the verses of their holy book.

Slowly the boys fall into a trance-like rhythm, rocking ever harder back and 
forth. Over and over they will do this, hour after hour.

"There is no God but Allah," they chant.

It is a scene repeated day after day, as it has for centuries. The boys are 
following a path set by their fathers and their fathers before them.

For many this is their whole world, a world of God and family.

The men, after a time, peel away to whatever work they have in a country that 
has been crippled by war and poverty.

The boys remain. Their numbers swell and fill the tiny mosque that now becomes 
a 
madrassa -- a religious school.

Their imam -- or teacher -- arrives. A short man with a long beard and piercing 
gaze, he soon has the boys in his sway. He points and scolds, urging the boys 
to 
chant ever louder.

Some begin to beat their chests with fierce devotion. In this way, the imam 
says 
the boys will come to memorize the Quran until they can repeat the verses by 
heart.

"A child is like a tree, it will give fruit. When children come to see me I 
train them the right way," he tells me.

That way is the way of strict sharia law.

Girls are banned from their school. They tell me women should be behind doors 
at 
home. For them to go outside without a veil, they say, is filthy.

The boys are all open, forthright and sure of themselves and their faith. The 
imam is an approachable man with a gentle smile and soft handshake.

It is typical of such hard-line madrassas -- schools that gave birth to the 
Taliban have often been a breeding ground for suicide bombers and continue to 
flourish today.

The message of faith and God is mixed with a hatred of anything outside their 
own world. The boys have been raised on a steady diet of anti-western 
propaganda. They are taught to fear outsiders and reject anything but the 
strict 
teachings of Islam.

In this world the United States and NATO forces have spent a decade trying to 
battle militant insurgency and to win hearts and minds.

Part of this mission is to steer impressionable young Muslim minds from the 
teachings of extremism, but here in this madrassa there is a compelling 
argument 
that the mission has failed.

Do you like the United States I ask? There is a resounding "No!"

Do you want them to leave? "Yes!" they yell. "We want our country to be 
peaceful. They are the devil."

One boy adds: "The Americans are making the Taliban and Afghans fight each 
other 
and then they watch. When they see us fighting, Americans are happy."

It's a message they get straight from their teacher, the imam himself.

"God says we can never be friends with unbelievers. What do they know of our 
religion? We can never be friends," he says.

These boys and their fathers before them have known little but war. There is no 
doubt they would fight for Islam.

Afghan authorities feared they were being trained to do just that.

Earlier this year, weapons, explosive devices and suicide bomber jackets were 
uncovered inside.

The previous imam is now in prison, linked to a Pakistani Taliban network.

The current imam refuses to believe it and says his predecessor should be 
released. The boys also stand by their previous teacher. To them it is all an 
American conspiracy.

Influenced by whispers, half-truths, suspicion and fear, they spin stories that 
sound fanciful -- yet what matters is they believe it.

"They kidnap mullahs and take them far away. I have seen on television 
Americans 
putting needles into the chests of people and pulling out the other. That's 
what 
they are doing to mullahs," one boy says.

With lessons over for the day, the boys fall into the dusty streets. Soon they 
are playing with a toy gun. They race headlong at our camera pretend firing and 
making machine gun sounds.

In this way they could be boys in any neighborhood anywhere in the world. 
Except 
here war is no game.

These boys, at such a young age, already have an enemy: the Uni

Re: [proletar] Indonesia's Judicial Flying Circus

Koq pejabat pemerintah sbg tukang palak dan rampok ga disebut?

From: sunny 
To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 12:33:08 AM
Subject: [proletar] Indonesia's Judicial Flying Circus

Refleksi : Adalah hal umum bahwa penguasa rezim NKRI adalah kumpulan tukang 
tadah, tukang catut, tukang segala hal yang buruk-buruk untuk rakyat. Mereka 
ini 
mendominasi di semua jabatan dan tingkat lapangan adminstrasi kekuasaan negara 
dari pusat sampai ke pelosok-pelosok negeri. Jadi biar mereka jungkir balik 
dengan lidah bersepuhan ayat-ayat suci,  berkat keuntungan kepada rakyat tidak 
akan dihasilkan. 

http://www.asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3189&Itemid=367

Indonesia's Judicial Flying Circus

Written by Our Correspondent 
Thursday, 12 May 2011 

Nunun looks alert enough (photo: Jakarta Globe)Vast numbers of lawmakers are 
carted off to jail although the serious questions remain to be asked 

It seemed to be the kind of headline that could only appear in an Indonesian 
newspaper: 

"Final 15 Lawmakers in Miranda Case Finally Stand Trial," read a recent edition 
of the Jakarta Globe.

But indeed, not only were 15 former members of Indonesia's House of 
Representatives on trial in five separate hearings for accepting bribes, 
another 
11 for a total of 26 have been ensnared in a case involving a vote for Miranda 
Goeltom, a 61-year-old economist who was appointed a senior deputy governor of 
Bank Indonesia, the country's central bank, in 2004 over two other candidates. 
Nor is that all. According to a tally by Asia News, 51 lawmakers from the Ninth 
Commission of the House of Representatives alone, which oversees banking 
affairs, have been accused of corruption for various reasons. That is nearly 10 
percent of the house, which has 560 members. 

The trials are notable for a variety of reasons. They include the astonishing 
numbers of corrupt politicians in the dock, the fact that the Corruption 
Eradication Commission, or KPK (its Indonesian language acronym) is 
incorruptible enough to catch them, that they appear in court meekly -- and 
that 
the marathon trials are not bothering to mention who bribed them or why. Sirra 
Prayuna, a lawyer for one lawmaker under questioning, told reporters it was 
important to find out the reason the money was given.

"There is no rule that bans state officials from receiving something as long as 
it does not break the law, Prayuna said. "But until now, we do not know the 
real 
purpose of the one who gave the money." Nor is that question likely to be 
answered.

The bribes seem to have been spread equally between members of the Democrat 
party, headed by President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Golkar, headed by 
businessman Aburizal Bakrie, and the Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle 
(PDI-P), headed by former President Megawati Sukarnoputri. President Yudhoyono 
has sternly promised to discipline any members of his party who are convicted 
of 
corruption.

The case was broken open originally by a former member of Megawati's PDI-P 
named 
Agus Condro Prayitno. Prayitno told KPK officials he and dozens of other 
lawmakers had received billions of rupiahs to guarantee Goeltom's re-election 
as 
deputy governor. Prayitno, also suspected of corruption, told the court he had 
decided to disclose the facts to clear his conscience and added that he had 
returned the ill-gotten funds.

Goeltom, who has since left the central bank, apparently is not under threat of 
indictment because there is no proof that she knew bribes were being paid to 
install her in office, although she was called to the Anti-Corruption Court 
this 
week to answer questions. She said it had been four years since she had seen 
Nunun Nurbaeti Daradjatun, considered the missing link in the case. Nurbaeti is 
a businesswoman and wife of former Deputy National Police Chief Adang 
Daradjatun, who is now a member of Parliament for the pro-Islamic PKS party. 

Nurbaeti, nonetheless said to be an associate of Goeltom's, has been identified 
as having delivered the bagfuls of checks to the lawmakers' offices. However, 
she has since fled to Singapore, citing a mysterious illness that rendered her 
incapable of remembering anything. She has subsequently ignored several 
summonses from the KPK while her lawyer, Ina Rachman, claims she is being 
treated for an illness that causes memory loss, which has become a running joke 
in political circles. 

Rachman, however, says claims that her client was not ill are false. "She is 
still ill. According to her family, her condition is deteriorating and there's 
nothing they can do," Rachman told reporters in Jakarta.

According to testimony in the various trials, some 480 travelers' checks 
totaling Rp24 billion (US$2.8 million) were handed out to lawmakers, who 
claimed 
they thought the money was campaign contributions that weren't linked to any 
particular legislative action.

The trav

Re: [proletar] Rp 50m Paycheck For DPR Members

55 juta sebln? Hehehe... mana cukup tuh, makanya anggota DPR itu nyari proyek 
lain spy bisa dpt ratusan juta atau lebih seblm.

Emangnya, anggota DPR itu kalah dgn Gayus yg bisa ngumpulin 100 M lebih dlm 
tempo 5 thn?






From: sunny 
To: undisclosed-recipi...@yahoo.com
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 4:39:54 AM
Subject: [proletar] Rp 50m Paycheck For DPR Members

   
Refl. Sekalipun gaji Rp 50,-- juta  ditambah tunjangan legal mau pun tidak 
legal 
sudah lumayan besar, tetapi agaknya masih saja kurang jadi perlu dinaikan 
menjadi misalnya Rp 100,-- juta atau lebih lagi, agar anggota DPR pada waktu 
sidang bisa lebih sering nonton film porno atau main tetris seperti wanita yang 
terlihat pada gambar.Siapa yang tidak mau gaji besar  dengan berkedudukan 
menjadi anggota DPR? 


http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/rp-50m-paycheck-for-dpr-members/440842

Rp 50m Paycheck For DPR Members
Anita Rachman | May 13, 2011

A house member playing "Tetris" on her iPad during a plenary meeting at the 
House of Representatives. Indonesian lawmakers' take home pay could reach as 
much at Rp 51.5 million per month. JG Photo/Yudhi Sukma Wijaya 


How much money do Indonesian lawmakers actually take home every month? Judging 
from what one lawmaker has to say about it, the figure exceeds Rp 51 million 
($6,000) - too much, many would think. 


Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, from the Golkar Party, said that every month, he 
receives Rp 51.5 million in take-home pay after taxes. This includes his basic 
salary, allowances and benefits. 


He said that the various sums of money he received each month included an 
intensive communications stipend, a monitoring and budgeting allowance, a 
committee allowance, a phone and electricity allowance, an aspiration allowance 
(for meeting with constituents) and even an honor allowance. 


House leaders, he said, had even more pay and stipends, with a commission 
chairman taking home Rp 54.9 million per month and deputies Rp 53.6 million. 


Roy Salam, from the Indonesian Budget Center, told the Jakarta Globe that based 
on their current performance, members of the House of Representatives did not 
deserve such high wages. 


He cited a slow legislation process, poor attendance of meetings and wasteful 
trips overseas. 


"Why are we paying them that much for their poor performances?" Roy asked. "It 
must be revised, it must be adjusted to their performance." 


Basuki said political parties usually garnished the salaries of their 
lawmakers. 
Golkar, for instance, took Rp 3.3 million from him each month. 


Basuki added that since the completion of a housing complex for lawmakers, they 
no longer received a Rp 12.5 million monthly housing allowance. However, he 
said 
that other sources of state funds had been found or were being sought to offset 
the loss. 


"They have been looking for new [budget] posts, so our total take-home pay has 
only been reduced by about Rp 6 million." 


Basuki said that he even heard that lawmakers were trying to add more budget 
posts so that they would still receive the same allowance as before the housing 
complex was completed. 


Syarifuddin Sudding, from the People's Conscience Party (Hanura), told the 
Globe 
that he never paid attention to the details of his salary and allowances. 


"All lawmakers receive about the same income," he said, adding that the amounts 
were not regulated by the lawmakers themselves. 


"It's the Household Affairs Committee [BURT] and the House Secretariat that 
sets 
the standard," Syarifuddin said. 


He added that the allowances received by lawmakers were reasonable, given the 
fact that they needed financial support to communicate with constituents as 
well 
as pass laws. 


However, Refrizal, BURT deputy chairman, denied it was his committee that set 
salaries and allowances, saying it was the House Secretariat, which was just 
following state guidelines. 


Refrizal also said the take-home pay was not as high as Basuki claimed.

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Re: Bls: [proletar] Jusfiq saking begonya nggak mampu punya anak...

Hehehe... dgn orang Islam ngoceh ga keruan ttg auloh berkontol apa kagak, orang 
Islam itu ngaku bhw auloh itu ga punya kontol.

Kasihan ga tuh, auloh aja kalah dgn anjing gua krn anjing gua punya kontol, 
auloh kagak.

Gua ga nanya siapa nama anak si keparat pedophile yg jadi tauladan lu, gua 
nanya 
siapa bininya yg beranak selain Khadijah. Dan ga ada bininya yg beranak selain 
Khadijah, krn Ibrahim itu bukan anak dr bini si keparat pedophile itu.

Kayaknya lu ga tau siapa yg beranak ngelahirin Ibrahim, heheheh kasihan 
amat 
sih lu ini.

Lu bangga2in kontol lu, padahal auloh lu itu ga punya kontol. Nyindir auloh 
yah? 
Hehehe ...

From: rezameutia 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 11:29:20 AM
Subject: Re: Bls: [proletar] Jusfiq saking begonya nggak mampu punya anak...

nih orang begonya emang kelewatan.

karena tuhannya yang disembah dan dipuja si item adalah orang bule berkulit 
putih, berambut pirang, bermata biru, dan punya kontol lalu piara cabo pula, 
maka dia juga berpikiran tuhan2 yang lain juga punya kontol seperti tuhan jesus.

mana ada tuhan islam, tuhan buddha, tuhan yahudi, tuhan hindu dan tuhan2 
lainnya 
yang punya kontol seperti tuhan jesus?  apa elu juga berpikiran bahwa  tuhan 
islam, tuhan buddha, tuhan yahudi, dan tuhan2 lainnya itu pecundang tolol 
seperti tuhan jesus juga?

orang kristen emang begonya kelewatan sampe dia punya pikiran tuhan itu punya 
kontol.

hehehe...

btw, nabi muhammad punya anak laki2, namanya ibrahim. 
setelah gw sebutin nama anaknya nabi muhammad seperti permintaan elu, sekarang 
gw minta elu berlutut dan minta maaf secara khusuk kepada kontol gw.  itu 
dikarenakan karena elu levelnya sederajat dengan kontol gw.

ditunggu ama kontol gw ye...

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Hihihi... apa auloh itu punya kontol? Pertanyaan ini ga pernah dijawab oleh 
> orang Islam. Ga ada yg berani jawab, hehehe...
> 
> Padahal dgn bilang bhw auloh itu ga bisa punya anak berhubung ngejomblo, maka 
> auloh itu ngaku bhw sebetulnya auloh itu punya kontol jg. Kalo ga punya 
> kontol, 
>
> ngapain hrs ngomong spt itu, bilang aja "ane ga berkontol jadi ane ga bisa 
>punya 
>
> anak"/
> 
> Hehehe gua bilang nabi pedophile itu ga punya anak dr bini2nya selain dr 
> Khadijah. Kalo ga percaya, sebutin deh bininya yg beranak dr sekian belas 
> bini 

> si keparat itu.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: rezameutia 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 12:59:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Bls: [proletar] Jusfiq saking begonya nggak mampu punya anak...
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Apa auloh itu punya kontol?
> > 
> 
> hahaha
> 
> tuhan punya kontol seperti tuhan jesus?
> ntar, tu tuhan juga piara cabo seperti tuhan jesus?
> 
> > Ngomong2, nabi Islam itu jg ga bisa punya anak dr bini2nya selain dgn 
>Khadijah, 
>
> >
> > hehehe
> > 
> 
> hehehe
> 
> kata siapa nabi muhammad nggak punya anak selain dari khadijah?
> 
> si anjing sipit pemakan taik di faithfreedom nggak tau kalo nabi muhammad 
> punya 
>
> anak dari perempuan lain selain khadijah.  gw dah bilang, nabi muhammad gagah 
> perkasa, nggak seperti tuhan jesus si pecundang tolol yang dikibulin dan 
> ditinggal kabur sama murid2nya sendiri.
> 
> > Apa kontol nabi Islam itu cuma asesoris aja?
> > 
> 
> kayak kontolnya tuhan jesus yang kegunaannya cuma bisa dipake kencing doang? 
> btw, kenapa sih tuhan jesus piara cabo yang namanya sama dengan nama ibunya 
> sendiri?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

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Re: [proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...Bintang Terbenam

Ogah, ngapain gua baca sampah.

kalo auloh bisa bersumpah demi apa aja nunjukin bhw dia maha "kuasa", tukang 
jual obat jg maha "kuasa" krn bisa ngibul apa aja.\

Sebetulnya kasihan jg gua ngeliat orang Islam, krn punya auloh yg bersumpah 
demi 
apa aja. Sumpah demi buah tin, demi kota, demi pena, demi bintang yg terbenam, 
demi fajar yg kesiangan dll.

Lebih parah lagi, sumpah demi fajar kesiangan itu apa artinya? Ga ada fajar yg 
kesiangan, berarti auloh itu bersumpah demi barang fiktif. Alias ngibul tulen.

From: rezameutia 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 12:06:25 PM
Subject: [proletar] Re: tentang agama atau takhyul...Bintang Terbenam

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Hehehe gua sih kalo mau jg bisa ngibul apa aja, bisa sumpah demi apa aja 
> kayak auloh. Cuma gua aja yg enggan melakukan hal2 spt itu, krn merendahkan 
> derajat gua sendiri. 
> 
> 

hehehe
coba deh lu jangan ngacir, jangan oot, jangan ngibul dan kasih penjelasan 
tentang tulisan ini.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/message/314958

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Re: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan

Hehehe... contohnya di perang Badr yg terbesar, nabi lu itu kan ngerampok dan 
ngebunuh.

Lu tau ga perang Badr yg terbesar?

From: rezameutia 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 12:10:30 PM
Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan

sebutin dong, siapa yang dibunuh nabi muhammad dan kapan?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Gua ga ngefitnah, krn nabi lu ngerampok dan ngebunuh itu adalah fakta yg ada 
> di 
>
> ajaran Islam sendiri.
> 
> Yg ngefitnah itu adalah lu, krn lu bilang nabi lu itu ga ngerampok dan 
>ngebunuh.
> 

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Re: [proletar] Bolehkah menganiaya-menzalimi manusia?

Hehehe... jadi lu bilang ngerampok, merkosa dan ngebantai kafir itu adalah 
menganiaya?

Kalo gitu, nabi lu itu tukang menganiaya, hehehe Dan auloh lu itu nyuruh 
menganiaya.






From: PAREWA 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 6:08:22 PM
Subject: [proletar] Bolehkah menganiaya-menzalimi manusia?

   


Hadist Nabi:

 

“Jagalah dirimu dari doa orang yang dianiaya, meskipun orang
itu kafir. Karena doa orang yang dianiaya itu tidak terhalang” 

 

“Jagalah dirimu dari doa orang-orang yang dianiaya, karena
doa orang yang dianiaya itu seperti bunga yang terus naik kelangit”

Jadi tdklah benar fitnah golongan pemfitnah di milis ini.

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Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami

Ga ada larangan ngembat mayat koq di Quran, jadi si sheik itu ga salah. Kan 
Quran itu lengkap, detil dan sempurna.

From: PAREWA 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 6:44:09 PM
Subject: Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari 
Zamzami

Nah tentulah ini sebuah fitnah, dan kalau benar ada org yg mengaku syech atau 
nama apapun maka jelas di juga tukang fitnah dan termasuk kedalam kategori 
'ulama fasik' yaitu ulama yg menamakan dirinya ulama atau disebut oleh orang 
tetapi jahat. Tahukah anda hukuman yg akan diterima oleh 'ulama semacam itu'? 
Jauh lebih berat dibandingkan org biasa. Nah bacalah al quran. Mengentoti mayat 
bertentangan dengan al quran dan akal. Dua hal yang diakui menjadi salah satu 
sumber hukum islam. Org2 Muslim tahu mengentoti mayat bertentangan dengan hukum 
islam.  

Jadi marilah juga kita baca apa yg ada dalam text bible, yg walau sudah byk 
dihapus2, atau dihaluskan bunyi terjemahannya dalam bhsa indonesia, tetaplah 
berguna untuk dipahami dan memahami kenapa org2 seperti item dan anda begini 
busuk fikirannya thd islam.

--- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, sunny  menulis:

Dari: sunny 
Judul: Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami
Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 6:29 PM

Tembakan penghormatan terakhir sebagai pemberian selamat jalan kepada sang 
isteri nan tercinta ke dunia seberang.

Di Australia ada sejenis kodok yang disebut "cane toad". Kodok ini rupanya jago 
sikat seperti Mr Necrophilia. Saya pernah lihat kodok betina yang digiling 
mobil, kepalanya sudah tidak ada, tetapi masih disikat oleh sang jantan. 

- Original Message - 

From: item abu 

To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:42 PM

Subject: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami

Halal ngembat mayat, kata ahli Islam di bawah ini. 

Buat yg ga tau, sheik itu artinya ahli Islam, tentunya udah belajar Islam dgn 

baik dan ilmu Islamnya sangat tinggi. Jadi fatwanya itu tentunya didasari dgn 

ilmu Islam yg tinggi, bukan sembarangan dikeluarkan.

Tentunya cuma Islam aja yg bisa menghasilkan keputusan yg brilyan ini, 

membuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, benar2 sinting dan konyol, 

hehehe

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2011/05/fatwa-necrophilia-now-halal-says-sheikh.html

Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami 

Meet Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami who just made necrophilia halal. 

Don't you wish you lived under sharia law?

More here: Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good 

Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the 

marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husband’s desire 

to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife" 

>> Posted by Blazing Cat Fur at 6:40 AM | 10 comments | link to this post | 

>>send email | 

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Re: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

Hehehe... auloh ngasih perintah, lalu orang islam mikir koq perintah auloh itu 
bejad.

Maka auloh ngoceh "bisa jadi ente mikir perintah ane itu bejad, tp ente itu 
dungu2 kayak kebo, ga tau perintah ane ini perintah yg baik, ente itu hrsnya 
jadi zombie idiot aja, kalo disuruh2 jangan mikir, tp lakukan aja, krn ane ini 
maha tahu sedangkan ente ini maha goblok"

Maka, jadilah orang Islam sbg zombie idiot, krn auloh itu maha "kuasa", cukup 
auloh bilang Quran itu buat orang mikir, maka zombie idiot ini pada berpendapat 
bhw mereka itu udah mikir. 







From: rezameutia 
To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 11:07:31 AM
Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di 
Kepala

   
hehehe..., si anjing sipit oot dan muter2 kayak anjing ngejar ekornya.

gw kan udah tulis tuh dibawah nama suratnya sekalian.  disitu kan jelas dituls 
('boleh jadi kamu...).  kalo lu baca surat ini dan punya pengertian lain, 
silahkan ditulis apa pengertian lu tentang surat ini.

masalahnya kristen bego otaknya nggak terbiasa dipake mikir sih.

gw kan udah bilang, lu baca quran musti dipake otak nya karena al quran untuk 
orang2 yang berpikir.  beda dengan alkitab yang berisi tulisan cabul seperti 
kitab porno.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Hehehe lu baca bagian yg gua hapus dan gua ganti dgn ... , di situ jelas 
>koq 
>
> auloh ngasih perintah, jadi yg dianggap bejad itu adalah perintah auloh, 
> bukan 

> musibah.
> 
> Gua kelupaan ngasih ayat lengkapnya, 2:216. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: rezameutia 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 12:49:48 PM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada 
> di 
>
> Kepala
> 
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Hehehe... Islam itu adalah agama buat zombie idiot, auloh sendiri yg 
>ngelarang 
>
> 
> > orang Islam buat mikir.
> > 
> > 216. ... Boleh jadi kamu membenci sesuatu, padahal ia  amat baik bagimu, 
> > dan 

> > boleh jadi (pula) kamu menyukai sesuatu, padahal  ia amat buruk bagimu; 
> > Allah 
>
> > mengetahui, sedang kamu tidak mengetahui.
> > 
> > 
> > Kalo orang bisa mikir, dia akan bertanya koq orang bisa ngebenci perintah 
> >auloh. 
> >
> > Artinya perintah auloh itu bisa merupakan perintah bejad di pandangan orang 
> >pada 
> >
> > umumnya. 
> > 
> > 
> 
> hmmm...,
> 
> lu tinggal baca ayat sederhana di al baqarah kayak gini aja nggak ngerti?
> 
> coba deh lu pake otak lu, ayat ini kan artinya sederhana sekali, bahwa dalam 
> setiap musibah pasti ada hikmahnya.  manusia nggak suka dan membenci setiap 
> musibah yang menimpanya, tapi dibalik musibah itu pasti ada kebaikannya 
> (hikmahnya).  ngerti nggak?!
> 
> kalo elu masih nggak ngerti juga, gw kasih contoh kongkritnya bapak lu mati. 
> 
> kematian itu kan merupakan suatu musibah, tapi dibalik musibah itu merupakan 
> suatu hikmah karena bapak lu udah nggak pusing dan sedih lagi punya anak yang 
> 'lahirnya kesasar' sehingga begonya kelewatan seperti elu.
> 
> elu dari sejak lahir udah karena kesasar.
> 
> seharusnya kan elu keluarnya dari pantat jadinya taik, tapi elu kesasar ke 
>memek 
>
> sehingga keluarnya jadi elu dah.  makanya nggak heran kalo kepala lu isinya 
>taik 
>
> dan begonya kelewatan.
> 
> iya kan?!
> 
> hehehe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [proletar] RUU INTELEJEN MENGANCAM MASYARAKAT???

2011-05-12 Thread widura

Masalah ini memang ada efek negatifnya, tapi musuh dalam negeri ini justru yg 
paling meresahkan. Teroris berbendera islam yg lg intens disidik semuanya dari 
dalam negeri..belum lagi masalah korupsi...
-Original Message-
From: Nanang Heriyanto 
Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 03:02:54 
To: ; ; 

Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [proletar] RUU INTELEJEN MENGANCAM MASYARAKAT???

Selain mengancam kebebasan pers/ media massa, juga mengancam kebebasan 
masyarakat, dan bisa menimbulkan ketakutan didalam masyarakat, karena adanya 
peluang berbuat sewenang2, tanpa persetujuan pengadilan.. alias.. hukum 
tidak diperlukan lagi, jika intelejen sedang berhadapan dengan warga 
negaranya sendiri.

saya hanya ajukan saran pada pemerintahan sekarang:

seharusnya intelejen kita diarahkan untuk menghadapi kekuatan asing yang 
sudah demikian dahsyat merongrong negara kita.. janganlah intelejen kita
 juga aparat pemerintahan kita malah diarahkan baik langsung maupun tidak 
langsung, memusuhi warga negaranya sendiri...

Bisa2 akan terjadi, berani kejam pada warga negara sendiri, tapi malah patuh 
pada penguasa dari luar negeri.

Kalau itu terjadi, apa bedanya kita dengan zaman penjajahan sebelum 
kemerdekaan???

---

From: Margiyono 

Subject: RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS (PERNYATAAN PERS AJI-PWI-IJTI)

Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 1:05 AM

  AJI-PWI-IJTI

PERNYATAAN PERS

RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS

Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat (DPR) bersama pemerintah berencana mengesahkan 
Rancangan Undang-Undang tentang Intelijen dalam waktu dekat ini. Setelah
 melakukan pengkajian konsekuensi RUU tersebut terhadap kebebasan pers 
di Indonesia, kami para pelaku pers yang tergabung dalam Persatuan 
Wartawan Indonesia (PWI), Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI), dan Ikatan 
Jurnalis Televisi Indonesia (IJTI) menemukan beberapa masalah mendasar 
dalam RUU Intelijen tersebut, antara lain:

Pertama, adanya kewenangan badan intelijen untuk melakukan intersepsi 
tanpa persetujuan pengadilan. Hal ini mengancam kebebasan pers, karena 
intelijen dapat melakukan intersepsi terhadap komunikasi pekerja pers 
dengan narasumber, yang bisa jadi bersifat rahasia. Pasal tersebut 
membuka peluang badan intelijen untuk menyalahgunakan kekuasaan untuk 
memata-matai wartawan.  Padahal, dalam menjalankan tugasnya, wartawan 
sering melakukan komunikasi dengan narasumber secara terselubung. Bahkan
 wartawan berkewajiban melindungi identitas narasumber konfidensial, 
jika diperlukan.

Kedua, adanya pasal mengenai pembatasan informasi merupakan ancaman bagi
 hak untuk memperoleh informasi. Sebagaimana diamanatkan UU No. 40 tahun
 1999 tentang Pers, wartawan memiliki kebebasan dalam mencari, 
memperoleh, dan menyebarkan informasi. Dengan demikian, adanya 
pembatasan informasi intelijen berpotensi mengebiri hak dan kewajiban 
pers sebagaimana diatur UU Pers tersebut. Sementara itu,  UU No. 14 
tahun 2008 tentang Keterbukaan Informasi Publik menjamin setiap orang, 
termasuk wartawan, untuk memperoleh informasi dari badan-badan publik. 
Untuk informasi yang berkategori rahasia, telah diatur dalam pasal 17 UU
 ini. Dengan adanya pembatasan informasi itu, maka RUU Intelijen 
berpotensi mengebiri UU KIP yang baru mulai berlaku tanggal 30 April 
tahun lalu.

Ketiga, adanya pasal yang memberi wewenang badan intelijen negara untuk 
melakukan penangkapan selama tujuh hari merupakan ancaman terhadap 
seluruh warganegara, termasuk wartawan. Pasal ini dapat disalahgunakan 
untuk menangkap pekerja pers yang memiliki informasi yang dianggap 
membahayakan negara. Padahal, pekerja pers selalu bergumul dengan 
informasi, termasuk informasi yang terkait dengan kemanan negara. 
Penangkapan hanyalah wewenang aparat penegak hukum, bukan intelijen 
negara, dengan prosedur sesuai Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana (KUHAP) 
dan hukum acara pidana lain yang berlaku.

Kami menilai, UU Intelijen semestinya dibuat untuk mengontrol aktivitas 
intelijen agar tidak bertindak melampaui wewenang, bukan malah untuk 
untuk melegitimasi tindakan intelijen yang melampuai hukum. 
Undang-undang Intelijen seharusnya dibuat berdasarkan prinsip demokrasi,
 hak asasi manusia, dan negara hukum dengan tetap menghormasi 
Undang-Undang Dasar, Undang-Undang Pers, dan UU Keterbukaan Informasi 
Publik.

Jakarta, 12 Mei 2010

1. Margiono, Ketua Persatuan Wartawan Indonesia (PWI) Pusat

2. Nezar Patria, Ketua Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI) Indonesia

3. Imam Wahyudi, Ketua Ikatan Jurnalis Televisi Indonesia (IJTI)

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[proletar] Re: RUU INTELEJEN MENGANCAM MASYARAKAT???

Jadi tiaraplah kalian semua. Di milis2, di forum2 kalau ada yg ngomong militan 
dan fanatik. HATI-HATI

Intelijen mengawasi kalian

 

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "widura"  wrote:
>
> Masalah ini memang ada efek negatifnya, tapi musuh dalam negeri ini justru yg 
> paling meresahkan. Teroris berbendera islam yg lg intens disidik semuanya 
> dari dalam negeri..belum lagi masalah korupsi...
> -Original Message-
> From: Nanang Heriyanto 
> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 03:02:54 
> To: ; ; 
> 
> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [proletar] RUU INTELEJEN MENGANCAM MASYARAKAT???
> 
> Selain mengancam kebebasan pers/ media massa, juga mengancam kebebasan 
> masyarakat, dan bisa menimbulkan ketakutan didalam masyarakat, karena adanya 
> peluang berbuat sewenang2, tanpa persetujuan pengadilan.. alias.. hukum 
> tidak diperlukan lagi, jika intelejen sedang berhadapan dengan warga 
> negaranya sendiri.
> 
> 
> 
> saya hanya ajukan saran pada pemerintahan sekarang:
> 
> seharusnya intelejen kita diarahkan untuk menghadapi kekuatan asing yang 
> sudah demikian dahsyat merongrong negara kita.. janganlah intelejen kita
>  juga aparat pemerintahan kita malah diarahkan baik langsung maupun tidak 
> langsung, memusuhi warga negaranya sendiri...
> 
> Bisa2 akan terjadi, berani kejam pada warga negara sendiri, tapi malah patuh 
> pada penguasa dari luar negeri.
> 
> 
> 
> Kalau itu terjadi, apa bedanya kita dengan zaman penjajahan sebelum 
> kemerdekaan???
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> From: Margiyono 
> 
> Subject: RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS (PERNYATAAN PERS AJI-PWI-IJTI)
> 
> Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 1:05 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   AJI-PWI-IJTI
> 
> 
> PERNYATAAN PERS
> 
> 
> RUU INTELIJEN MENGANCAM KEBEBASAN PERS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dewan Perwakilan Rakyat (DPR) bersama pemerintah berencana mengesahkan 
> Rancangan Undang-Undang tentang Intelijen dalam waktu dekat ini. Setelah
>  melakukan pengkajian konsekuensi RUU tersebut terhadap kebebasan pers 
> di Indonesia, kami para pelaku pers yang tergabung dalam Persatuan 
> Wartawan Indonesia (PWI), Aliansi Jurnalis Independen (AJI), dan Ikatan 
> Jurnalis Televisi Indonesia (IJTI) menemukan beberapa masalah mendasar 
> dalam RUU Intelijen tersebut, antara lain:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pertama, adanya kewenangan badan intelijen untuk melakukan intersepsi 
> tanpa persetujuan pengadilan. Hal ini mengancam kebebasan pers, karena 
> intelijen dapat melakukan intersepsi terhadap komunikasi pekerja pers 
> dengan narasumber, yang bisa jadi bersifat rahasia. Pasal tersebut 
> membuka peluang badan intelijen untuk menyalahgunakan kekuasaan untuk 
> memata-matai wartawan.  Padahal, dalam menjalankan tugasnya, wartawan 
> sering melakukan komunikasi dengan narasumber secara terselubung. Bahkan
>  wartawan berkewajiban melindungi identitas narasumber konfidensial, 
> jika diperlukan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kedua, adanya pasal mengenai pembatasan informasi merupakan ancaman bagi
>  hak untuk memperoleh informasi. Sebagaimana diamanatkan UU No. 40 tahun
>  1999 tentang Pers, wartawan memiliki kebebasan dalam mencari, 
> memperoleh, dan menyebarkan informasi. Dengan demikian, adanya 
> pembatasan informasi intelijen berpotensi mengebiri hak dan kewajiban 
> pers sebagaimana diatur UU Pers tersebut. Sementara itu,  UU No. 14 
> tahun 2008 tentang Keterbukaan Informasi Publik menjamin setiap orang, 
> termasuk wartawan, untuk memperoleh informasi dari badan-badan publik. 
> Untuk informasi yang berkategori rahasia, telah diatur dalam pasal 17 UU
>  ini. Dengan adanya pembatasan informasi itu, maka RUU Intelijen 
> berpotensi mengebiri UU KIP yang baru mulai berlaku tanggal 30 April 
> tahun lalu.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ketiga, adanya pasal yang memberi wewenang badan intelijen negara untuk 
> melakukan penangkapan selama tujuh hari merupakan ancaman terhadap 
> seluruh warganegara, termasuk wartawan. Pasal ini dapat disalahgunakan 
> untuk menangkap pekerja pers yang memiliki informasi yang dianggap 
> membahayakan negara. Padahal, pekerja pers selalu bergumul dengan 
> informasi, termasuk informasi yang terkait dengan kemanan negara. 
> Penangkapan hanyalah wewenang aparat penegak hukum, bukan intelijen 
> negara, dengan prosedur sesuai Kitab Undang-Undang Hukum Pidana (KUHAP) 
> dan hukum acara pidana lain yang berlaku.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kami menilai, UU Intelijen semestinya dibuat untuk mengontrol aktivitas 
> intelijen agar tidak bertindak melampaui wewenang, bukan malah untuk 
> untuk melegitimasi tindakan intelijen yang melampuai hukum. 
> Undang-undang Intelijen seharusnya dibuat berdasarkan prinsip demokrasi,
>  hak asasi manusia, dan negara hukum dengan tetap menghormasi 
> Undang-Undang Dasar, Undang-Undang Pers, dan UU Keterbukaan Informasi 
> Publik.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jakarta, 12 Mei 2010
> 
>

[proletar] STUDI ALIEN DAN AGAMA

Mengingat bahwa agama itu asalnya adalah supranatural: malaikat, Allah, dewa, 
hantu, penampakan, langit yang artinya kemungkinan besar adalah ALIEN dari 
ANGKASA LUAR, maka aku mengajak kalian semua yg obyektif dan rasional untuk 
menguji semua agama berdasarkan hipotesis ini, sekaligus mengenali alien dengan 
berbagai varian dan tujuan mereka. 

Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA.  


ALIEN GODS -ISLAM BAHAYA LATENT

Bulan itu ada penduduknya. Banyak orang bersaksi pernah melihatnya. Mungkinkah
simbol Bulan Bintang itu berkaitan dengan fakta bahwa Alloh itu adalah ALIEN??

ALIEN KATA ORANG PUNYA MARKAS DI BULAN.

Banyak sekali kalau dicari di google "Alien Moon"
http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html
Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon,1of3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6507661008750185648#
masih sangat banyak lagi di youtube dan di web


DEWI BULANnya orang Arab , AL-ILAH

Lalu orang Arab pra-Islam menyembah bulan dan tuhannya yang bernama al-Ilah
(Al-Lat yang disebut di Qur'an?).
Moon worship, agama Arab jahiliyah
dewanya bernama al-ilah

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm
Translated dari English
# ibadah Dewi Bulan telah dipraktikkan di Saudi sejak tahun 2000 SM. Bulan sabit
adalah simbol paling umum dari ibadah pagan bulan sejauh 2000 SM.
# Di Mekah, ada dewa bernama Hubal yang Tuhannya Kabah.
# Hubal adalah dewa bulan.
# Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan ditempatkan di atas
atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal ini mungkin sebenarnya asal
mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap menara di Kaba hari ini dan simbol
pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di seluruh dunia:

Sekitar empat ratus tahun sebelum kelahiran Muhammad bin Amr satu Lahyo ...
keturunan dari Qahtan dan raja Hijaz, telah menempatkan berhala bernama Hubal di
atap Ka'bah. Ini adalah salah satu dewa utama dari Quraisy sebelum Islam.
(Muhammad Nabi saw, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)

# Dewa Bulan juga disebut sebagai "al-ilah". Ini bukan nama yang tepat dari
suatu dewa tunggal tertentu, tetapi referensi generik berarti "dewa". Setiap
kafir lokal suku Arab akan lihat sendiri kafir suku lokal mereka tuhan sebagai
"al-ilah".
# "Al-ilah" kemudian disingkat menjadi Allah sebelum Muhammad mulai
mempromosikan agama barunya di 610 AD.
# Ada bukti bahwa Hubal disebut sebagai "Allah".
# Ketika Muhammad datang, dia menjatuhkan semua referensi nama "Hubal" tapi
mempertahankan "Allah" generik.
# Muhammad ditahan hampir semua ritual pagan bangsa Arab di Kaba dan
didefinisikan ulang mereka dalam hal monoteistik.
# Terlepas dari spesifik dari fakta, jelas bahwa Islam adalah berasal dari
paganisme yang pernah menyembah dewa-bulan.
# Meskipun Islam adalah agama monoteis hari ini, akarnya dalam paganisme.


http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

1. There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the pagan
Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods.
2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was born.
Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar with. The
pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one
they already worshipped.
3. Many scholars say "Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, AL +
ILAH = Allah. "Ilah" in Arabic is "God" and "Al" in Arabic is a definite article
like our word "the". So from an English equivalent "Allah" comes from "The +
God". Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it is formed
from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus al-ilah, the
god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In fact, the
name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic times from
Aramaic." (
4. Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85) Although
"Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah is not a
name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan cultures have
these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In comparison to
the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was originally no
more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" (god) or
Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. "Jehovah"
is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament ( Ex
3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in the New
Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but merely
transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a proper
name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was never used
this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and "ho theos"
but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless Muslim God.
However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that c

[proletar] Re: Ziauddin Sardar: Between Two Masters: QurÃÆÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¾ÃÂ¢an or Science?

habis , kan gak mungkin dari TAIK Anjiang bukan ? Dari siapa lagi >

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Ga ada bukti sama sekali.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:40:52 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Ziauddin Sardar: Between Two Masters: 
> QurÃÆ'ÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¾ÃÂ¢an or Science?
> 
>
> Memang bener dicetak oleh manusia kok. Tapi isinya dari Allah.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Kalo lu make logika, maka akan kliatan bhw Quran penuh dg kesalahan2 yg 
> > berarti 
> >
> > Quran itu cuma bikinan orang doang.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:33:22 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ziauddin Sardar: Between Two Masters: 
> >QurÃÆ'ÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¾ÃÂ¢an or 
> >
> > Science?
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Allah Maha Logika
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dgn orang Islam coba ngebuktikan kebenaran Quran make "sains" gaya 
> > > Bucaille, 
> 
> > > orang Islam itu sebetulnya udah bilang bhw auloh itu tunduk pd sains.
> > > 
> > > Abbas ini kliatannya masih punya logika, cuma sayangnya begitu Islam yg 
> > >dinilai, 
> > >
> > > logikanya ngedadak ngilang.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Abbas 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:17:26 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Ziauddin Sardar: Between Two Masters: 
> >QurÃÆ'ÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¾ÃÂ¢an or 
> >
> > 
> > > Science?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Justru Allah diluar semua hukum alam; tapi Allah sendiri yang mencipta 
> > > segala 
> >
> > > hukum alam ini; untuk kepentingan ciptaanNya.
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kalo Quran itu berisi sains yg menunjukkan Quran itu dr auloh, berarti 
> >auloh 
> >
> > 
> > > >itu 
> > > >
> > > > tunduk pd hukum sains, hehehe...
> > > > 
> > > > Sayangnya, orang Islam yg dungu2 itu umumnya ga bisa ngerti apa yg gua 
> >bilang 
> >
> > >
> > > > ini dan konsekuensinya.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Jusfiq 
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, May 2, 2011 10:29:42 PM
> > > > Subject: [proletar] Ziauddin Sardar: Between Two Masters: 
> >QurÃÆ'ÃÂ¢ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¡ÃÂ¬ÃÂ¢Ã¢â¬Å¾ÃÂ¢an or 
> >
> > >Science?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > http://ziauddinsardar.com/2011/02/quran-science/
> > > > 
> > > > Between Two Masters: Qur'an or Science?
> > > > 
> > > > The headline in the Bulletin of the Islamic Medical Association of 
> > > > South 
> > >Africa 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > announces a staggering discovery. Canadian scholar confirms Quran and 
> >Ahadith 
> >
> > >
> > > >on 
> > > >
> > > > Human Embryology (1). The story tells us that a certain Dr Keith Moore, 
> > > >Chairman 
> > > >
> > > > of the anatomy department of the University of Torontos School of 
> > > > Medicine, 
> >
> > >has 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > discovered the happy marriage between the Islamic revelation and 
> >contemporary 
> >
> > >
> > > > human developmental anatomy. I am amazed at the scientific accuracy of 
> >these 
> >
> > 
> > > > statements which were made in the seventh centuryIt is quite reasonable 
> > > > for 
> >
> > > > Muslims to believe that these verses are revelations from God, Moore is 
> > > >reported 
> > > >
> > > > to have said.
> > > > 
> > > > What has Keith Moore discovered that has excited the Muslim doctors, 
> > >scientists 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > and scholars so much? His paper, Highlights of human embryology in the 
> >Koran 
> >
> > 
> > > >and 
> > > >
> > > > the Hadith, was first presented at the Seventh Saudi Medical Meeting, 
> > > > and 
> >has 
> >
> > >
> > > > since then been reprinted in a number of places (2). It simply reads 
> > > > modern 
> >
> > > > biology into certain Quranic verses, describing the development of a 
> > > > foetus 
> >
> > >and 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > illustrating them with clinical drawings and text book descriptions. 
> > > > For 
> > > > example, the Quranic verse, verily, we fashioned man from a small 
> > > > quantity 
> >of 
> >
> > >
> > > > mingled liquids (Nut-fatin Imthjin) (76:2) is explained by Moore as 
> >referring 
> >
> > >
> > > >to 
> > > >
> > > > the mixture of a small quantity of sperms with the oocyte and its 
> >associated 
> >
> > 
> > > > follicular fluid, or the male and female sexual secretion. The 
> > > > resulting 
> > >mixed 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > drop, made up of the ovum and penetrating sperm, becomes the zygote, 
> > > > the 
> > > > precursor of the embryo. Similarly, explanation, for example, is given 
> > > > of 
> >the 
> >
> > >
> > > > following verses, Verily, we created man from a product of wet earth; 
> > > > then 
> 
> > > > placed him as

[proletar] Re: Reposting:Dan Suryana yang dungu kayak anjing masih percaya rezameutia ini waras

OH jadi ada ayat yang mengatakan Allah ngejomblo ? Dimana kau temukan itu ? 
Jadi kalau aku gak tahu bukan kamu yang ngawur tapi gak nyampe kan ? Supaya 
nyampe coba jelaskan lagi

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Logika lu yg ga nyampe, bukan logika gua yg ngawur. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:44:16 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Reposting:Dan Suryana yang dungu kayak anjing masih 
> percaya rezameutia ini waras
> 
>
> Hehehehe, omonganmu makin NGAWUR saja item abu ! Dikemanain logika lu !? Udah 
> kau gade ke jusfiq yah ?
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > auloh sendiri yg bilang dia ga mungkin punya anak krn ngejomblo. 
> > 
> > auoh ngaku spt itu, koq lu bisa ngomong yg lain ttg auloh lu, emangnya lu 
> > lebih 
> >
> > tinggi dr auloh lu?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:35:42 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Reposting:Dan Suryana yang dungu kayak anjing masih 
> > percaya rezameutia ini waras
> > 
> > 
> > Telah kubilang Allah diluar semua HUKUM Alam
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Itu bukan masalah butuh apa kagak, tp masalah kemampuan.
> > > 
> > > auloh itu bilang dia ga mungkin punya anak krn ngejomblo. artinya, auloh 
> > > ga 
> > >bisa 
> > >
> > > punya anak kalo ga ngentotin cewek, alias auloh itu ga maha kuasa.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Abbas 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:19:46 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Reposting:Dan Suryana yang dungu kayak anjing 
> > > masih 
> > > percaya rezameutia ini waras
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Maha Kuasa karena DIA tak butuh apa2 dan siapapun juga
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tp auloh itu ga bisa punya anak krn ngejomblo. Apanya tuh yg maha kuasa?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Abbas 
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:56:37 AM
> > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Reposting:Dan Suryana yang dungu kayak anjing 
> > > > masih 
> >
> > > > percaya rezameutia ini waras
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Allah benar2 Maha Kuasa dan Maha Tahu !
> > > > Tak terbantahkan lagi. Kalianlah yang tidak tahu.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ditambah atau nggak ditambah sih tetap aja tu Allah taik anjing yang
> > > > > diriwayatkan buku taik anjing al-Mushaf ternyata nggak Maha Kuasa dan 
> >nggak 
> >
> > >
> > > > >Maha
> > > > > Bisa..
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah memang pemikiran Taik anjiang jusfiq yang didapat dari dawkins 
> > > > > > dll, 
> 
> > > >selalu 
> > > >
> > > > >pemikirannya sempit ! Memang dasar taik !
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ditambah atau nggak ditambah sih tetap aja tu Allah taik anjing 
> > > > > > > yang 
> 
> > > > >diriwayatkan buku taik anjing al-Mushaf ternyata nggak Maha Kuasa dan 
> >nggak 
> >
> > 
> > > >Maha 
> > > >
> > > > >Bisa..
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ini ayat lain yg bilang auloh itu beragama, tentunya agama 
> > > > > > > > Islam. 
> > >Jadi 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > >auloh itu 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > hrs doyan nungging2 ke batu item, hehehe
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 47:7. Hai orang-orang mu'min, jika kamu menolong (agama) Allah, 
> > >niscaya 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >Dia akan 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > menolongmu dan meneguhkan kedudukanmu.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kenapa orang Islam hrs nambah2in kata "agama" di dlm 
> >kurung?Soalnya, 
> >
> > 
> > > >kalo 
> > > >
> > > > >ga 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > pake kata agama, maka auloh itu hrs ditolong (47:7), dan hrs 
> > >dikuatkan 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > >dan 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > dibesarkan (48:9) oleh orang Islam.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cilaka ga tuh punya auloh yg hrs ditolong dan hrs dipiara orang 
> > >Islam. 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > >Jadi, 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > dicari deh akal spy auloh ga kliatan impoten dan jadi deh si 
> > > > > > > > auloh 
> 
> > > >meluk 
> > > >
> > > > >agama 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Islam yg konsekuensinya adalah auloh hrs rajin nungging2 dan 
> > > > > > > > puasa 
> >di 
> >
> > >
> > > >bln 
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bombadhon.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > From: item abu 
> > > > > > > > To: proletar

[proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur

Kamu bener2 gak nyambung !
yang kubilang mungkin itu bukan fitnah, tapi kenyataan; mungkin LZ tahu.
Jadi jangan buru2 nuduh FITNAH ! 
Dasar Bego luh !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Jadi kalo sodara seiman lu itu ngefitnah tkw, maka nurut lu gua ga boleh 
> ngeributin.
> 
> Berarti, lu ga keberatan sama sekali kalo tkw difitnah.
> 
> Gua ngebela tkw yg dianiaya, lu ngebela penganiaya tkw, hehehe...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:53:07 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> 
>
> Mungkin saja LZ tahu hal tersebut. Kenapa kau ributin ?
> Kau hanya ingin menang2an doang kan ? Bukan isi diskusi atau kebenaran yang 
> kau 
> CARI. Jadi memang niat elo udah jelek sekali yaitu cari MUNGSUH !
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Ini yg diomongin sdr lu yg baik hati, hehehe...
> > 
> > > Inikan omong kosong,hanya 1 anak bayi saja yang bertampang arab
> > > yang 3 lain nya tidak,dia juga pada ngentot dengan sesama orang indonesia
> > > malah perempuan2 itu ada yang jadi pelacur bayaran buat TKI laki2 
> > > indonesia
> > > ada juga yang kumpul kebongentot dimana saja sama enak nya.
> > 
> > Sdr lu yg baik hati ini nuduh tkw jadi pelacur bayaran atau kumpul kebo, 
> >setelah 
> >
> > tkw dianiaya oleh bangsat Arab.
> > 
> > Ayo, terusin deh ngejilat pantat sodara lu yg baik hati itu.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:41:12 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > 
> > 
> > Led Zeppelin jelas sdr gue yang baik hati; gak mungkin lah fitnah. Kau yang 
> > terus2an memfitnah.
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Gini deh, lu jawab aja pertanyaan gua ini.
> > > 
> > > Si Led Zeppelin sodara muslim lu itu lagi ngejilat pantat Arab majikannya 
> > > apa 
> >
> > > kagak dgn ngefitnah tkw?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Abbas 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:42:38 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ah orang arab bukan majikan gua kok. jangan asal tuduh !
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hehehe demi ngebela Arab majikannya, maka orang Islam Indonesia ga 
> >segan2 
> >
> > >
> > > > ngefitnah dan ngehina tkw bangsanya sendiri.
> > > > 
> > > > Emang tuh, kerabat nabi orang Arab itu hrs dijilatin pantatnya sampe 
> > > > masuk 
> >ke 
> >
> > >
> > > > dlm lobang pantatnya dan kena taik dlm lobang pantatnya. Spy dikasih 
> > > > pahala 
> >
> > > >oleh 
> > > >
> > > > auloh
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Led Zeppelin 
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:43:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Inikan omong kosong,hanya 1 anak bayi saja yang bertampang arab
> > > > yang 3 lain nya tidak,dia juga pada ngentot dengan sesama orang 
> > > > indonesia
> > > > malah perempuan2 itu ada yang jadi pelacur bayaran buat TKI laki2 
> indonesia
> > > > ada juga yang kumpul kebongentot dimana saja sama enak nya.
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Mon, 5/9/11, item abu  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > From: item abu 
> > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 1:53 AM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hehehe... dr 2.351 TKI ada 120 yg hamil, 114 anak2 dan 74 bayi. 
> > > > 
> > > > Jika kita berasumsi ibu yg hamil tdk punya anak di dlm kapal, dan tiap 
> > > > ibu 
> 
> > > >hanya 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > beranak 1, berarti ada 120 + 114 + 74 = 308 tkw yg udah diembat di 
> > > > Saudi. 
> > > > 
> > > > Jika asumsi ditambah semua itu hasil pemerkosaan oleh orang Saudi, maka 
> > > > ada 
> >
> > >308 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > kasus tkw diperkosa, dari 2.351 TKI yg berarti termasuk jg yg cowok.
> > > > 
> > > > Apa ada tkw yg diperkosa tp ga hamil? Pasti banyak tuh. 
> > > > 
> > > > Dan berapa tkw + tki pria yg disiksa, dirampok dsb? 
> > > > 
> > > > Lalu, apa ada satu ekor muslim yg ngebela sesamanya? Hehehe... paling2 
> > > > si 
> > > > 
> > > > suryana dan habe yg teriak2 kayak anjing kejepit buntut krn gua ngaduk2 
> >milis 
> >
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > borjuis ini.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: sunny 
> > > > 
> > > > To: Undisclosed-Recipient@
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 2:59:52 PM
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: [proletar] Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > > 
> > > > Refleksi: Banyak TKW membawa anak dari luarnegeri, antara lain dari

[proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur

Kamu lah yang GOBLOK ! Masa nyantunin anak yatim, kau bilang kebejadan ISLAM !>?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Tolol, Jusfiq dan jg gua, ngomongin orang Islam secara umum, ga hrs tkw. Yg 
> diomongin itu adalah kebejadan Islam dan ketololan orang Islam yg masih 
> percaya 
> dgn Islam. 
> 
> 
> Ga tau yg mana lu maksud dgn Jusfiq ngefitnah, yg jelas sih gua ga ngefitnah 
> orang Islam, krn faktanya emang begitu.
> 
> Tp sodara seiman lu itu ngefitnah tkw.
> 
> 
> Ngehina dan ngefitnah itu ga sama, ngehina itu ga berarti kejahatan, tp 
> ngefitnah itu adalah kejahatan, kecuali kalo yg ngefitnah itu orang Islam dan 
> yg 
> nilai jg orang Islam, bukan? Jadi buat gua, orang kayak si Led Zeppelin itu 
> adalah bajingan keparat krn dia ngefitnah tkw.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:54:59 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> 
>
> TKW itu orang Islam; dan Jusfiq selalu memfitnah umat Islam. Gih marahin 
> Jusfiq 
> karena telah menghina TKW !
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Gua ga ngurusin Jusfiq, tp Jusfiq ga akan ngefitnah tkw, yg ngefitnah tkw 
> > itu 
> > adalah sesama lu orang Islam. Yg nyiksa dan merkosa tkw itu adalah sesama 
> > lu 
> > orang Islam jg.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:43:28 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > 
> > 
> > Semua itu pasti fakta nyata; kenapa dibilang fitnah ?
> > Apakah karena keluarnya kata2 dari lZ jadi disebut fitnah ? Sedang dari 
> > Jusfiq 
> 
> > yang begitu BUSUKNYA kau anggap KEBENARAN !?
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hehehe si ndeboost ini sok kliatan suci dan bijak, tp ga ada satu 
> > > kata jg 
> >
> > >yg 
> > >
> > > nongol dr mulutnya mengenai si Led Zeppelin yg ngehina dan ngefitnah tkw.
> > > 
> > > Sama jg pd kasus si tawangalun yg ngefitnah, si ndeboost itu bukannya 
> >konsisten 
> >
> > >
> > > nyebut si tawangalun sbg kriminal, dia malahan ngebela si tawangalun. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jadi ga heran deh kalo si ndeboost akan ngejilat pantat si Led Zeppelin 
> > > krn 
> > > ngefitnah dan ngehina tkw dlm rangka ngebela Arab bangsat tukang perkosa 
> > > tkw 
> >yg 
> >
> > >
> > > gua tuding.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: ndeboost 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 11:01:36 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Kalau pulang bawa devisa, dijemput dielu-elukan di bandara dikalungi
> > > bunga seberat entah berapa bergelar "pahlawan devisa". Kalau pulang
> > > (karena gagal)  jadi beban, merapat di dermaga , siapa lupa ngejek,
> > > melecehkan dan menyumpahi? Rombongan (gagal) ini ada yg pulang tinggal
> > > nama, ada yg frustasi, ada yg bawa janin, yg bawa bayi, pasrah, ikhlas
> > > dan ada yg dg segudang dendam. Itupun dipulangkan setelah desakan
> > > kiri-kanan, tidak spt kasus di Mesir atau Libya. Pesawat terbang!
> > > 
> > > Kasus spt ini masih bersyukur ada yang mau meliput, namun bukan sebagai
> > > bahan lesson-learnt melainkan lebih dalam tanpa mau melihat kenapa bisa
> > > terjadi demikian.
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@ m, "Abbas"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ah orang arab bukan majikan gua kok. jangan asal tuduh !
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hehehe demi ngebela Arab majikannya, maka orang Islam Indonesia
> > > ga segan2
> > > > > ngefitnah dan ngehina tkw bangsanya sendiri.
> > > > >
> > > > > Emang tuh, kerabat nabi orang Arab itu hrs dijilatin pantatnya sampe
> > > masuk ke
> > > > > dlm lobang pantatnya dan kena taik dlm lobang pantatnya. Spy dikasih
> > > pahala oleh
> > > > > auloh
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Led Zeppelin led.zeppelin31@
> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 7:43:19 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Inikan omong kosong,hanya 1 anak bayi saja yang bertampang arab
> > > > > yang 3 lain nya tidak,dia juga pada ngentot dengan sesama orang
> > > indonesia
> > > > > malah perempuan2 itu ada yang jadi pelacur bayaran buat TKI laki2
> > > indonesia
> > > > > ada juga yang kumpul kebongentot dimana saja sama enak nya.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/9/11, item abu itemabu@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: item abu itemabu@
> > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Kapal Pembawa TKI Bersandar di Teluk Bayur
> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 1:53 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hehehe... dr 2.351 TKI ada 120 y

[proletar] Re: 'Poisonous' Muslim Holy Water on Sale in London

Atau waktu analisa air, sengaja doicampur arsenik ! dan orang anti Islam, 
menerima penelitian ini sangat anthusias bagaikan anjang yang caliek TAIK Anget 
! Langsug diumumkan bahwa air zamzam mengandung arsenik !!! Bodoh beneeer kamu 
ini !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Dasar goblok, berapa orang yg minum air zam zam secara rutin tiap hari selama 
> bertahun-tahun?
> 
> Arsenik di air zam zam itu pasti jg baru nongol belakangan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:57:10 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: 'Poisonous' Muslim Holy Water on Sale in London
> 
>
> Yang TOLOL bin GOUBLOK tuh ya kamu. telah berabad abad kok orang minum air 
> zam 
> zam. Tk ada kok keluhan. Malah yang ada adalah orang sakit malah jadi sehat !
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Lu ini tolol, emangnya berapa kali sih lu minum air zam zam? Paling banter 
> > lu 
> > minum beberapa liter seumur hidup lu.
> > 
> > Itu sama dgn orang yg ngerokok beberapa batang rokok seumur hidupnya, jadi 
> > bisa 
> >
> > dibilang ga akan ada pengaruhnya sama sekali.
> > 
> > Tp tetap aja ngerokok itu bukan sesuatu yg sehat dan dianjurkan, demikian 
> > jg 
> > minum air zam zam yg ngandung arsenik.
> > 
> > Ada berapa orang yg tiap hari minum air zam zam? Kayaknya ga ada tuh. Tapi 
> >tetap 
> >
> > aja air zam zam itu ngandung bahan berbahaya dan ga sehrsnya diminum 
> > biarpun 
> > sedikit jg.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:45:49 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: 'Poisonous' Muslim Holy Water on Sale in London
> > 
> > 
> > ya iyalah; kanker itu gak datang sekaligus ! Trus berapa ribu orang yang 
> > ribut 
> 
> > sakit karena setelah sekian puluh tahun minum air zam zam ?
> > Kau bisa Buktikan gak !? Atau hanya omong kosong tanpa otak ?
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Ni orang tololnya minta ampun. Kalo ada yg kena kanker krn air zam zam, 
> > > kankernya itu muncul setelah sekian thn kemudian, bukannya langsung 
> > > setelah 
> > > minum air zam zam itu.
> > > 
> > > Emangnya, orang yg kena kanker paru2 krn kebanyakan ngerokok itu langsung 
> >koit 
> >
> > 
> > > begitu dia pertama kali ngerokok?
> > > 
> > > Hehehe demi ngebela Islam, maka orang Islam rela pamer kedunguannya.
> > > 
> > > Adanya arsenik di air zam zam ngebuktikan bhw auloh itu tukang tipu, 
> > hehehe
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: ndeboost 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 11:07:23 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: 'Poisonous' Muslim Holy Water on Sale in London
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ni orang dasar asal kopas dan asal nyanyi.
> > > Coba sedikit mikir, sudah berapa banyak orang dan sudah berapa (ratus)
> > > tahun orang pada minum tuh air?
> > > Lalu kok sekarang ada kasus?
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hihihi... ternyata air zam zam itu mengandung arsenik melebihi ambang
> > > batas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.londonnet.co.uk/news/2011/may/poisonous-muslim-holy-water-sal\
> > > e-london.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 'Poisonous' Muslim Holy Water on Sale in London
> > > > - Zam Zam with arsenic and other cancer-chemicals found in shops in
> > > south and
> > > > east of capital
> > > >
> > > > Thursday, 5th May 2011
> > > > MUSLIM Holy water sold in London "is poisonous", according to health
> > > experts.
> > > > The sacred water, known as Zam Zam water, comes from a well in the 
> > > Muslim Holy
> > > > city of Mecca, but researchers have found that it is full of 
> > > dangerous
> > > > chemicals including arsenic.
> > > > Bottles of Zam Zam water are allowed to be brought to the UK for 
> > > personal use
> > > > but, partly due to the health risks, they are not meant to  be sold
> > > > commercially.
> > > >
> > > > However, an investigation by the BBC has discovered that shops in east
> > > and south
> > > > London have been selling the liquid.
> > > > "The water is poisonous, particularly because of the high levels of 
> > > arsenic,
> > > > which is a carcinogen and can cause cancer," said Dr Duncan  Campbell,
> > > of the
> > > > Association of Public Analysts.
> > > > As well as arsenic, carcinogenic nitrates have also been found in the
> > > water.
> > > > "The limits set in drinking water are set there for very good reason,"
> > > added
> > > > Campbell.
> > > > "Once the water gets above that limit, it's not safe."
> > > > Last year the Food Standards Agency advised that, "Muslims need to be 
> > > aware of
> > > > the health risks associated with drinking this water".
> > > >
> > > > "If consumers find any water on sale that is labelled as Zam Zam, 
> > > they should
> > > > contact the local authority enforcement office at the

[proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan

Yang sudah jelas Allah melarang merampok dan membunuh ! Kecuali kamu merobahnya 
jadi FITNAH !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Jadi ga ada larangan ngerampok dan ngebunuh di Quran, hehehe
> 
> Lebih tepatnya auloh itu justru nyuruh unt ngerampok, malak dan ngebunuh non 
> Islam di Quran.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:00:27 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> 
>
> Lengkap dan sempurnanya Al Qur_an tak perlu dipertanyakan lagi. Yang ada 
> adalah 
> kebodohanmu mencari cari kelemahan Qur_an.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Jadi ga ada ayatnya di Quran yg katanya lengkap dan sempurna itu, hehehe...
> > 
> > Kapan yah nabi lu itu dpt perintah auloh yg ga ada di Quran?
> > 
> > Kalo nabi lu itu mau ngebantai orang, apa itu perintah auloh jg, atau cuma 
> > nabi 
> >
> > lu aja yg pengen ngebantai orang? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:49:14 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > 
> > 
> > Hehehehe juga; Muhammad ngelarang atas perintah Allah
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hehehe... apa auloh ga ngelarang ngerampok dan ngebunuh shg hrs nabi yg 
> > > ngelarang?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: ndeboost 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 2:35:55 PM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yg ditulis adalah hadist, bukannya ayat.
> > > Btw, adakah fungsi, manfaat atau pengaruhnya bagi (iman) nT?
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "sunny"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tolong sebutkan ayatnya dimana ditulis. Syukran
> > > >
> > > >   - Original Message -
> > > >   From: Abbas
> > > >   To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:35 AM
> > > >   Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Nabi melarang merampok; apalagi membunuh !
> > > >
> > > >   --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote:
> > > >   >
> > > >   > Buat orang Islam itu tentunya kalo ngerebut harta orang lain pake
> > > senjata,
> > > >   > termasuk dgn ngebunuh pemilik hartanya itu, bukan dianggap sbg
> > > ngerampok, tp sbg
> > > >   > ibadah.
> > > >   >
> > > >   > Jadi ga heran kalo nabi Islam yg ngerampas harta orang lain dgn
> > > kekerasan itu,
> > > >   > termasuk jg ngerampas cewek2nya setelah ngebantai keluarga si
> > > cewek, ga dianggap
> > > >   > sbg perampok, tp dianggap sbg nabi suci.
> > > >   >
> > > >   > Makanya, pejihad2 Islam kayak perompak Somalia, Al Qaeda, Taliban,
> > > gerombolan
> > > >   > Noordin M Top, gerombolan Abu Sayaf dll itu main rampok, bunuh dan
> > > perkosa krn
> > > >   > mereka itu sebetulnya lagi berjihad di jalan auloh. Dan mereka
> > > dianggap sbg
> > > >   > pahlawan oleh orang Islam lainnya, hehehe
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   > 
> > > >   > From: Abbas abas_amin08@
> > > >   > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 3:13:30 PM
> > > >   > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   > loh udh dijelaskan kok masih terus ngeyel !?
> > > >   > O Jadi ada penjelasan atau tidak Nabi Muhammad tetap harus
> > > difitnah !? Ada
> > > >   > penjelasanpun pokokmya ISLAM harus dijelekkan !?
> > > >   > AH benar2 kamu itu TAIK anjing juga kalau begitu !
> > > >   >
> > > >   > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > > Hihihi orang Islam lagi kebakaran jembut krn ga bisa bantah
> > > nabinya itu
> > > >   > > tukang ngerampok.
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > > 
> > > >   > > From: ajeg 
> > > >   > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > >   > > Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 10:27:57 PM
> > > >   > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > > Si item kok seperti lagi ceritain nasibmu
> > > >   > > sebagai tukang keruk ya plik..
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > > --- "Jusfiq"  wrote:
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > > > Item abu menulis:
> > > >   > > >
> > > >   > > > "Hehehe... apa nabi lu itu kerjanya cuma ngeruk duit bini
> > > kayanya?
> > > >   > > >
> > > >   > > > Ga ada urusan nabi itu kaya apa kagak, emangnya lu pikir orang
> > > kaya
> > > >   > > > itu ga doyan ngerampok jg?
> > > >   > > >
> > > >   > > > Faktanya tetap aja nabi lu ngerampok.
> > > >   > > >
> > > >   > > > Kalo lu punya niat ngebantai dan ngerampok kafir demi auloh,
> > > itu
> > > >   > > > niat jahat atau bukan? Kalo dem

[proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

Fitnah yang benar2 GOBLOKKK !
Kamu ini lagi mengatas namakan non islam ; anti Islam kan ? Kok malu2in begini 
sih !?
Ngomong kaya kamu ini tak perlu orang berpendidikan, asal anti Islam anak TK 
pun bisa ngomng kaya kamu !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Emang tuh, nurut Islam, ngembat anak ingusan 9 thn itu bukan pedophilia, tapi 
> sedang menikmati nikmat auloh.
> 
> Jadi, Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt orang2 yg doyan anak ingusan, 
> hehehe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:01:15 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada 
> di 
> Kepala
> 
>
> Standard ukuran kamu dan Islam kan berbeda !?
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Nyatanya yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu kan negara2 Islam spt Saudi, Iran, 
> Yemen.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:53:31 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang 
> > Ada di 
> >
> > Kepala
> > 
> > 
> > Ada kali; yaitu Ajaran Taik Anjiang; buku sucinya Dawkins.
> > Rasulnya Jusfiq!
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia"  wrote:
> > >
> > > memangnya ada ajaran agama yang mengajarkan pedopil, memperkosa, merampok?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Wong"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ajaran yang nyuruh memperkosa, pedopil, ngerampok dll, saya setuju 
> > > > dengan 
> > >sampeyan itu ajaran bejad.
> > > > 
> > > > Rahayu
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kalo ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia, merkosa, ngerampok, ngebunuh, 
> > >ngeperbudak 
> > >
> > > > > itu bejad apa kagak?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Coba tuh lu pelajari isi Quran dan hadis, lalu lu bandingin berapa 
> > > > > banyak 
> >
> > >yg 
> > >
> > > > > nyuruh ngebantai kafir dibandingkan dgn yg nyuruh nyantunin yatim dan 
> >orang 
> >
> > >
> > > > > miskin.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kalo emang betul Quran nyuruh nyantunin anak yatim dan orang miskin, 
> >kenapa 
> >
> > >
> > > > > nyatanya non Islam yg paling banyak ngasih duit ke anak yatim dan 
> > > > > orang 
> > >miskin?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Abbas 
> > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:40:07 AM
> > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari 
> > > > > yang 
> 
> > >Ada di 
> > >
> > > > > Kepala
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jadi yang nyuruh santunin anak yatim; orang miskin; itu yang bikin 
> > > > > BEJAD 
> 
> > >!@?
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tolol, ajaran Islam itu ajaran bejad, jadi yg tahu Islam itu 
> > > > > > ngritik 
> > >bukan 
> > >
> > > > > >hanya 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > krn kelakuan bejad orang Islam, tp terutama krn ajaran Islam itu yg 
> >bikin 
> >
> > >
> > > > > >orang2 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > itu jadi bejad.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sebelum lu ngoceh ttg agama, baiknya lu pelajari dulu apa yg ada di 
> >agama 
> >
> > >tsb.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: Wong 
> > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:10:11 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari 
> >yang 
> >
> > >Ada di 
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kepala
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Saya rasa bukan salah orang diluar Islam, jika mereka menilai 
> > > > > > negatif 
> > >terhadap 
> > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Islam. Saya ingin mengingatkan akan sebuah pepatah lama bahwa pohon 
> > > > > > di 
> 
> > >kenal 
> > >
> > > > > > dari buahnya. Sampeyan tahu maksud pepatah ini?, saya jelaskan 
> > > > > > sedikit 
> 
> > >saja.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Buah mangga berasal dari pohon mangga, demikian juga buah durian 
> >pastilah 
> >
> > >
> > > > > > berasal dari pohon durian. Pohon welas asih akan menghasil buah 
> > > > > > buah 
> > >belas 
> > >
> > > > > > kasihan: sabar, toleran, penunh pengertian. lah sekarang kalo 
> > > > > > buahnya 
> > >berupa: 
> > >
> > > > > > terror, bom bunuh diri, pembekaran mesjid, pembakaran gereja, mudah 
> > >teringgung. 
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Berasal dari pohon apakah buah buah semacam itu?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Meskipun suatu pohon berasal dari bibit unggul, tapi kalo buah yang 
> > > > > > di 
> 
> > >hasilkan 
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > adalah yang jelek, yang asam, yang banyak bopengnya, yang banyak 
> >ulatnya, 
> >
> > >
> > > > > > pastiah pak tani akan tidak segan menebang pohon itu. Betapaun 
> > > > > > baiknya 
> 
> > > > > >kandungan 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > isi ajaran Islam, tapi kalo buah

[proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan

Saat Nabi Muhammad melihat banyak sekali orang Islam dizalimi; maka dbeliau 
mengirim surat ke Makkah ( Quraisy ); isinya al ialah minta mereka enghentikan 
segala penindasan terhadap orang Islam; kalau tidak maka akan dibalas kafilah2 
Makkah akan dicegat oleh umat Islam.
Inilah surat peringatan Nabi kepada Kaum Quraisy.
Yang menyusul kedua dan ketiga.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Hehehe kapan tuh nabi nyuratin sebelum ngerampok? Coba lu sebutin 
> kejadiannya yg mana, entar gua kasih lihat nabi lu itu ngerampok ga pake 
> surat.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 11:27:12 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> 
>
> Udah dijelaskan diriwayat Islam tentang Muhammad, bahwa Nabi sebelum 
> memerintah 
> mencegat Kafilah Quraisy, lebih dulu nulis surat sampai tiga kali. Tapi 
> semuanya 
> diabaikan oleh Kaum Kafir Quraisy.
> 
> Jadi Nabi tidak merampok, semua sudah jelas kok.
> 
> Mana ada perampok nyuratin segala ? Nabi tahu aturan kok.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> >
> > Gua ga ngefitnah, krn nabi lu ngerampok dan ngebunuh itu adalah fakta yg 
> > ada di 
> >
> > ajaran Islam sendiri.
> > 
> > Yg ngefitnah itu adalah lu, krn lu bilang nabi lu itu ga ngerampok dan 
> >ngebunuh.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abbas 
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 9:50:58 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > 
> > 
> > hehehe, bagus ! Jawaban elo bukannya nyambung dengan pertanyaan GUA; tapi 
> > elo 
> > balik lagi ke asal. Jadi tujuanmu hanya ingin FITNAH kan !? Dan tak boleh 
> > dihalangi karena memang ingin mitnah. Jadi apapun alasan yang diajukan 
> > orang 
> > lain kau tak terima. Jadi ini PENGAKUAN kamu ? Bahwa kamu TUKANG FITNAH !?
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Emang nabi lu itu kan kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh.
> > > 
> > > Coba lu baca tuh kisah ngerampok di Naklakh, apa itu bukan ngerampok dan 
> > > ngebunuh? Biarpun nabi lu ga ikut serta dlm ngerampok dan ngebunuh, nabi 
> > > lu 
> >itu 
> >
> > >
> > > yg nyuruh orang ngerampok dan nabi lu nerima hasil rampokannya.
> > > 
> > > Ini baru satu kasus, lu tau berapa kali nabi lu itu ngirim ekspedisi atau 
> >ikut 
> >
> > 
> > > serta dlm ekspedisi ngerampok?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Abbas 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:39:38 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jadi kamu tetap tak terima alasan apapun; karena INGIN memfitnah ISLAM ? 
> >Begitu 
> >
> > >
> > > kan mau elo?
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Alamak, nabi lu itu kerjanya ngerampok dan ngebunuh. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: Abbas 
> > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:41:26 AM
> > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kondisi ABK makin Memprihatinkan
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Nabi Muhammad ngelarang merampok, apalagi membunuh
> > > > 
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Led Zeppelin  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buat orang Islam itu tentunya kalo ngerebut harta orang lain pake 
> >senjata, 
> >
> > 
> > > > > termasuk dgn ngebunuh pemilik hartanya itu, bukan dianggap sbg 
> > > > > ngerampok, 
> >
> > >tp 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > >sbg 
> > > > >
> > > > > ibadah.?'
> > > > > Badut bodoh iidak ada itu lihat eropa/kresten selama ratusan tahun 
> > > > > kerja 
> 
> > >nya
> > > > > cuma merampok saja dinegara lain saat ini masih ada kejadian2 
> > > > > tersebut.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jadi ga heran kalo nabi Islam yg ngerampas harta orang lain dgn 
> > > > > kekerasan 
> >
> > > >itu, 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > termasuk jg ngerampas cewek2nya setelah ngebantai keluarga si cewek, 
> > > > > ga 
> > > > >dianggap 
> > > > >
> > > > > sbg perampok, tp dianggap sbg nabi suci.?"
> > > > > Ahh inikan cerita2 eropah jaman doeloe yang anda gunakan ditempat 
> > > > > yang 
> > > salah.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Makanya, pejihad2 Islam kayak perompak Somalia, Al Qaeda, Taliban, 
> > >gerombolan 
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Noordin M Top, gerombolan Abu Sayaf dll itu main rampok, bunuh dan 
> >perkosa 
> >
> > 
> > > >krn 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > > mereka itu sebetulnya lagi berjihad di jalan auloh. Dan mereka 
> > > > > dianggap 
> >sbg 
> >
> > >
> > > > > pahlawan oleh orang Islam lainnya, hehehe?
> > > > > Mereka islam juga.tapi tidak mewakili islam2 sedunia,anda makin tolol 
> > >tampak 
> > >
> > > 
> > > > >nya.
> > > > > 
> > > > > lama kelamaan cara anda mejendralisasikan sesuatu jadi mirip si babi 
> > > > > tua 
> 
> > > itu.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From:

[proletar] Re: Mana itu item abu !

Nah sekarang sebutkan prestasi manusia kafir untuk kepentingan manusia !?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Buset, emangnya gua online terus.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Abbas Amin 
> To: proletar 
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 11:29:43 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Mana itu item abu !
> 
>
> Itemabu, karena sesuatu hal, aku balik lagi ke WARNET. Mumpung aku onlone, 
> ayo 
> mana jawabanmu !?
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[proletar] Re: Surat Terakhir Dari Ibu Jusfiq

Gua mau ketawa sampe ngakak
tapi amboii, nanti ambo dikato ngjilek pantek si HB !!!
jadi hahahaha nya kutahan dulu ah. jadi hahahaha sama wakakakak itu
kato rang bijak bestari indak buliah dilapeh.
 

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Habe"  wrote:
>
> Sungai Kelok, Padang Panjang 1 November 1965
> 
> Nak Jusfiak nan lancang,
> Kenapa waang kabur ke belando tanpa bilang bilang orang rumah? Apa ada 
> hubungan nak Jusfiak dengan G30S yang hampir sajo membunuah Soekarno? 
> Janganlah tiru semuo ajaran stalin ko, indak baik itu buat kesehatan otak. 
> Dulu waang rajin pergi ke surau buat ngaji, sekarang bukan dahi waang  tapi 
> pantat waang yang warnanya item abu. Kasianlah sama bunda kanduang. 
> Melahirkan waang sesakit melahirkan iblis ke dunio, tau?
> 
> Nak Jusfiak nan gadang sarawa,
> Ngapin waang tinggal di belando negara kumpeni yang pernah menyiksa imam 
> bonjol,waang indak pernah sekolah, tamat smp pun tidak mana mau bule panjajah 
> memberi nak jusfiak nafkah? Dari mano uang maklan waang sehari hari ko? 
> Jangan mau menerima toeslag jika harus memusuhi tanah air beta..
> 
> Nak Jusfiak,
> Kebiasaan bobo dengan bonobo indak baik, kawin sajalah waang seperti layaknya 
> orang normal..Kalau tidak waang tidak akan bisa beranak pinak, malulah bunda 
> kalau sampai orang sakampuang tahu kelakuan waang..
> 
> Kasilah kabar jika ada gadis pinangan, nanti kita pestakan yang mariah 
> careylah, cari besan orang barado biar terangkat rejeki kita sekeluargo, 
> waang tidak jelek jelek amat dan agak mirip campurang penyanyi Charles 
> Hutagalung dan Deddy Damhudi, rambut waang yang bikin waang seperti simpanse 
> merah
> 
> segitulah dulu surat bunda 
> balaslah jika ada waktu
> 
> 
> Aminah Rustandi Marajalelo
>






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[proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

Kepada siapa hah ditujukannya permintaan maaf itu !?
Pada khayalan ? Wong etnis MAYA sudah lenyap kok ! Gimana lagi !?
Maaf buat apa dan buat siapa !> Supaya jusfiq bisa ngomong bahwa umat Islam 
belum minta maaf !???
Maaf pada siapa dan atas nama siapa ? Atas nama Ahmadiyah, atau Syiah ? Jangan 
ngehayal ah !

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Jusfiq"  wrote:
>
> 
> Pertama: Paus sudah mengakui dan minta ampun (forgiveness) atas kejahatan 
> yang telah dilakukan orang katolik selama dua ribu tahun yang lalu..
> 
> Kedua: sekarang ini baik gereja katolik Roma maupun gereja anggota WCC 
> menolak kekerasan, men,olak hukuman mati danmenolak  peperangan...
> 
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Wong"  wrote:
> >
> > Sampeyan ndak perlu ngotot menilai kebaikan agama sendiri sambil menjelekan 
> > agama orang lain.
> > 
> > membicarakan kejelekan suatu agama itu ada dimana mana, bukan hanya Islam, 
> > Kristen juga mengandung kejelekan. Bisa saja bahwa ajaran Islam itu jelek, 
> > tapi sepanjang tidak dilakukan kejelekan tsb tidak akan jadi masalah. 
> > Contohnya saja GD , Syafii dll. mereka melakukan yang baik baik saja.
> > 
> > Dan di agama Kristen juga demikian, siapa yang tidak tahu sejarah gelap 
> > agama kristen. Inkuisisi, orang dengan mudah di tuduh dukun santet, lalu di 
> > bakar hidup2, pengekangan pendapat, kasus Galileo dll. terlalu banyak untuk 
> > di sebut. itu suatu fakta yang tidak mungkin dibantah. meskipun bisa saja 
> > sampeyan membawa ayat2 yang mengandung welas asih, tapi ayat2 tsb tidak 
> > akan merubah fakta apapun. tapi untungnya sekarang Kristen sudah banyak 
> > berubah, tapi itu tidak berarti bahwa Kristen hanya ada yang baik2 saja.
> > 
> > Tinggal sekarang orang Islam yang masih senang menggunakan kekerasan dan 
> > mau menang sendiri. meskipun bisa saja dibela dengan menyodorkan ayat2 
> > kebaikan dan welas asih. tapi ini semua tidak akan merubah fakta apapun,dan 
> > tetap saja bahwa yang ngebom kebanyakan orang Islam, bahwa yang mudah 
> > tersinggung juga orang Islam, bahwa yang mbakar mejid AHmadiyah juga orang 
> > Islam, bahwa yang memberlakukan hukum rajam adalah orang Islam, bahwa 
> > ribuan migran meninggalkan negeri Islam karena tidak betah tinggal disana.
> > 
> > Jadi adu ayat sama sekali tidak berguna. sebaik apapun ajaran suatu agama, 
> > kalo pemeluknya tidak bisa mengaplikasikan kebaikan tsb dalam kehidupan 
> > bersama, tetap saja masarakat luas akan menilai agama tsb tidak baik. 
> > itulah mengapa saya menggunkan pepatah lama bawa pohon di kenal dari 
> > buahnya, bahwa agama dikenal dari kelakuan umatnya.
> > 
> > Rahayu
> > 
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Tolol, ajaran Islam itu ajaran bejad, jadi yg tahu Islam itu ngritik 
> > > bukan hanya 
> > > krn kelakuan bejad orang Islam, tp terutama krn ajaran Islam itu yg bikin 
> > > orang2 
> > > itu jadi bejad.
> > > 
> > > Sebelum lu ngoceh ttg agama, baiknya lu pelajari dulu apa yg ada di agama 
> > > tsb.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Wong 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:10:11 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang 
> > > Ada di 
> > > Kepala
> > > 
> > >
> > > Saya rasa bukan salah orang diluar Islam, jika mereka menilai negatif 
> > > terhadap 
> > > Islam. Saya ingin mengingatkan akan sebuah pepatah lama bahwa pohon di 
> > > kenal 
> > > dari buahnya. Sampeyan tahu maksud pepatah ini?, saya jelaskan sedikit 
> > > saja.
> > > 
> > > Buah mangga berasal dari pohon mangga, demikian juga buah durian pastilah 
> > > berasal dari pohon durian. Pohon welas asih akan menghasil buah buah 
> > > belas 
> > > kasihan: sabar, toleran, penunh pengertian. lah sekarang kalo buahnya 
> > > berupa: 
> > > terror, bom bunuh diri, pembekaran mesjid, pembakaran gereja, mudah 
> > > teringgung. 
> > > Berasal dari pohon apakah buah buah semacam itu?
> > > 
> > > Meskipun suatu pohon berasal dari bibit unggul, tapi kalo buah yang di 
> > > hasilkan 
> > > adalah yang jelek, yang asam, yang banyak bopengnya, yang banyak ulatnya, 
> > > pastiah pak tani akan tidak segan menebang pohon itu. Betapaun baiknya 
> > > kandungan 
> > > isi ajaran Islam, tapi kalo buah yang dihasilkan faktanya seperti yang 
> > > kita 
> > > lihat sekarang, pastilah orang akan memberi penilaian negatif terhadap 
> > > Islam. 
> > > Apakah ini bermakna bahwa yang dihasilkan Islam melulu yang jelek?, 
> > > TIDAK.Gus 
> > > Dur, Syafii Maarif, Mbah kakung saya adalah contoh buah yang baik dari 
> > > pohon 
> > > yang bernama Islam.
> > > 
> > > Membaca hasil survey yang membuat hati miris, membaca statistik yang 
> > > menghasilkan nilai negatif terhadap Islam, tidak perlu ditanggapi dengan 
> > > sewot, 
> > > justru itu menjadi bahan introspeksi diri, justru menjadi tugas orang2 
> > > seperti 
> > > GD, Syafii dll,(kalo di proletar siapa yah orang yang seperti GD?)

[proletar] Re: Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami

Lengkap dan sempurna OK ! Siapa yang mengatakan DETIL !?
Karanganmu ya ?

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
>
> Ga ada larangan ngembat mayat koq di Quran, jadi si sheik itu ga salah. Kan 
> Quran itu lengkap, detil dan sempurna.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: PAREWA 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 6:44:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari 
> Zamzami
> 
>
> Nah tentulah ini sebuah fitnah, dan kalau benar ada org yg mengaku syech atau 
> nama apapun maka jelas di juga tukang fitnah dan termasuk kedalam kategori 
> 'ulama fasik' yaitu ulama yg menamakan dirinya ulama atau disebut oleh orang 
> tetapi jahat. Tahukah anda hukuman yg akan diterima oleh 'ulama semacam itu'? 
> Jauh lebih berat dibandingkan org biasa. Nah bacalah al quran. Mengentoti 
> mayat 
> bertentangan dengan al quran dan akal. Dua hal yang diakui menjadi salah satu 
> sumber hukum islam. Org2 Muslim tahu mengentoti mayat bertentangan dengan 
> hukum 
> islam.  
> 
> 
> Jadi marilah juga kita baca apa yg ada dalam text bible, yg walau sudah byk 
> dihapus2, atau dihaluskan bunyi terjemahannya dalam bhsa indonesia, tetaplah 
> berguna untuk dipahami dan memahami kenapa org2 seperti item dan anda begini 
> busuk fikirannya thd islam.
> 
> --- Pada Kam, 12/5/11, sunny  menulis:
> 
> Dari: sunny 
> Judul: Re: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari 
> Zamzami
> Kepada: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Tanggal: Kamis, 12 Mei, 2011, 6:29 PM
> 
>  
> 
> Tembakan penghormatan terakhir sebagai pemberian selamat jalan kepada sang 
> isteri nan tercinta ke dunia seberang.
> 
> Di Australia ada sejenis kodok yang disebut "cane toad". Kodok ini rupanya 
> jago 
> sikat seperti Mr Necrophilia. Saya pernah lihat kodok betina yang digiling 
> mobil, kepalanya sudah tidak ada, tetapi masih disikat oleh sang jantan. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: item abu 
> 
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:42 PM
> 
> Subject: [proletar] Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami
> 
> Halal ngembat mayat, kata ahli Islam di bawah ini. 
> 
> Buat yg ga tau, sheik itu artinya ahli Islam, tentunya udah belajar Islam dgn 
> 
> baik dan ilmu Islamnya sangat tinggi. Jadi fatwanya itu tentunya didasari dgn 
> 
> ilmu Islam yg tinggi, bukan sembarangan dikeluarkan.
> 
> Tentunya cuma Islam aja yg bisa menghasilkan keputusan yg brilyan ini, 
> 
> membuktikan bhw Islam itu adalah agama yg benar, benar2 sinting dan konyol, 
> 
> hehehe
> 
> http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2011/05/fatwa-necrophilia-now-halal-says-sheikh.html
> 
> 
> Fatwa: Necrophilia Now Halal Says Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami 
> 
> Meet Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami who just made necrophilia halal. 
> 
> Don't you wish you lived under sharia law?
> 
> More here: Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good 
> 
> Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the 
> 
> marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husbandâs 
> desire 
> 
> to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife" 
> 
> >> Posted by Blazing Cat Fur at 6:40 AM | 10 comments | link to this post | 
> 
> >>send email | 
> 
> >>
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[proletar] pantesab koruptor makin merajalela.

2011-05-12 Thread Abbas Amin

Gereja sudah melarang hukuman berat kok. kata Jusfiq.

Jadi dengan hukuman berat saja maling tak takut ! Apalagi tanpa hukuman berat !

Hehehehe si Jusfiq, menjilat pantat PAUS agar pengikutnya mendukung kezaliman 
dia.
Dimana yang didukungpun sebenarnya tak masuk akal sehat sama sekali; sebab 
sepertinya membiarkan KORUPTOR dan penyelewengan merajalela.


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[proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari yang Ada di Kepala

2011-05-12 Thread ndeboost

Auloh @dapurmu cs mita bagian tawanan perang, lalu dapat 32 perempuan
(meski ga ikut perang), itupun milih yg belum disentuh lelaki alias 3+
tahun. Bil 31:18 & Bil 31:40
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas"  wrote:
>
> Fitnah yang benar2 GOBLOKKK !
> Kamu ini lagi mengatas namakan non islam ; anti Islam kan ? Kok
malu2in begini sih !?
> Ngomong kaya kamu ini tak perlu orang berpendidikan, asal anti Islam
anak TK pun bisa ngomng kaya kamu !
>
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote:
> >
> > Emang tuh, nurut Islam, ngembat anak ingusan 9 thn itu bukan
pedophilia, tapi
> > sedang menikmati nikmat auloh.
> >
> > Jadi, Islam itu emang agama yg benar unt orang2 yg doyan anak
ingusan,
> > hehehe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Abbas abas_amin08@
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:01:15 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula dari
yang Ada di
> > Kepala
> >
> >
> > Standard ukuran kamu dan Islam kan berbeda !?
> >
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nyatanya yg ngehalalin pedophilia itu kan negara2 Islam spt Saudi,
Iran,
> > Yemen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Abbas 
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 10:53:31 AM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu Bermula
dari yang Ada di
> > >
> > > Kepala
> > >
> > >
> > > Ada kali; yaitu Ajaran Taik Anjiang; buku sucinya Dawkins.
> > > Rasulnya Jusfiq!
> > >
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "rezameutia"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > memangnya ada ajaran agama yang mengajarkan pedopil, memperkosa,
merampok?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Wong"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ajaran yang nyuruh memperkosa, pedopil, ngerampok dll, saya
setuju dengan
> > > >sampeyan itu ajaran bejad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rahayu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kalo ajaran yg ngehalalin pedophilia, merkosa, ngerampok,
ngebunuh,
> > > >ngeperbudak
> > > >
> > > > > > itu bejad apa kagak?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Coba tuh lu pelajari isi Quran dan hadis, lalu lu bandingin
berapa banyak
> > >
> > > >yg
> > > >
> > > > > > nyuruh ngebantai kafir dibandingkan dgn yg nyuruh nyantunin
yatim dan
> > >orang
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > miskin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kalo emang betul Quran nyuruh nyantunin anak yatim dan orang
miskin,
> > >kenapa
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > nyatanya non Islam yg paling banyak ngasih duit ke anak
yatim dan orang
> > > >miskin?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: Abbas 
> > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 10:40:07 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu
Bermula dari yang
> >
> > > >Ada di
> > > >
> > > > > > Kepala
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jadi yang nyuruh santunin anak yatim; orang miskin; itu yang
bikin BEJAD
> >
> > > >!@?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tolol, ajaran Islam itu ajaran bejad, jadi yg tahu Islam
itu ngritik
> > > >bukan
> > > >
> > > > > > >hanya
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > krn kelakuan bejad orang Islam, tp terutama krn ajaran
Islam itu yg
> > >bikin
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >orang2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > itu jadi bejad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sebelum lu ngoceh ttg agama, baiknya lu pelajari dulu apa
yg ada di
> > >agama
> > >
> > > >tsb.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > From: Wong 
> > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 9:10:11 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [proletar] Re: Kebengisan atas Nama Islam itu
Bermula dari
> > >yang
> > >
> > > >Ada di
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kepala
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Saya rasa bukan salah orang diluar Islam, jika mereka
menilai negatif
> > > >terhadap
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Islam. Saya ingin mengingatkan akan sebuah pepatah lama
bahwa pohon di
> >
> > > >kenal
> > > >
> > > > > > > dari buahnya. Sampeyan tahu maksud pepatah ini?, saya
jelaskan sedikit
> >
> > > >saja.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Buah mangga berasal dari pohon mangga, demikian juga buah
durian
> > >pastilah
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > berasal dari pohon durian. Pohon welas asih akan menghasil
buah buah
> > > >belas
> > > >
> > > > > > > kasihan: sabar, toleran, penunh pengertian. lah sekarang
kalo buahnya
> > > >berupa:
> > > >
> > > > > > > terror, bom bunuh diri, pembekaran mesjid, pembakaran
gereja, mudah
> > > >teringgung.
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Berasal dari pohon apakah buah buah semacam itu?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meskipun suatu pohon berasal dari bibit unggul, tapi k

[proletar] Re: pantesab koruptor makin merajalela.

2011-05-12 Thread ndeboost

Bro, koruptor keknya haram mereka sentuh.  Artinya wajib dibela (paling
ga dg cara soft, ga diberitakan banget) karena kalau ga ada koruptor
maka pendidikan dan kondisi sos-ek rakyat Indonesia yg mayoritas Islam
akan sangat membaik dan ini membahayakan kelangsungan hidupnya gereja
maupun Yahudi dan antek-anteknya.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Abbas Amin  wrote:
>
> Gereja sudah melarang hukuman berat kok. kata Jusfiq.
>
> Jadi dengan hukuman berat saja maling tak takut ! Apalagi tanpa
hukuman berat !
>
> Hehehehe si Jusfiq, menjilat pantat PAUS agar pengikutnya mendukung
kezaliman dia.
> Dimana yang didukungpun sebenarnya tak masuk akal sehat sama sekali;
sebab sepertinya membiarkan KORUPTOR dan penyelewengan merajalela.
>
>
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>

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[proletar] Re: pantesab koruptor makin merajalela.

ndeboost. mana tuh si item abugosok ? kok ngilang lagi sih?
Baru kutinggal jum'atan sebentar.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
>
> Bro, koruptor keknya haram mereka sentuh.  Artinya wajib dibela (paling
> ga dg cara soft, ga diberitakan banget) karena kalau ga ada koruptor
> maka pendidikan dan kondisi sos-ek rakyat Indonesia yg mayoritas Islam
> akan sangat membaik dan ini membahayakan kelangsungan hidupnya gereja
> maupun Yahudi dan antek-anteknya.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Abbas Amin  wrote:
> >
> > Gereja sudah melarang hukuman berat kok. kata Jusfiq.
> >
> > Jadi dengan hukuman berat saja maling tak takut ! Apalagi tanpa
> hukuman berat !
> >
> > Hehehehe si Jusfiq, menjilat pantat PAUS agar pengikutnya mendukung
> kezaliman dia.
> > Dimana yang didukungpun sebenarnya tak masuk akal sehat sama sekali;
> sebab sepertinya membiarkan KORUPTOR dan penyelewengan merajalela.
> >
> >
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> >
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[proletar] BALAS DENDAM jilid 1: 69 tewas di Pakistan

Teriak Allahu Akbar lalu jlegurrr 69 orang TIDAK BERDOSA MATI.
Penganut agama tidak bermoral beraksi.

Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 69 Dead in Pakistan

Published May 13, 2011

May 13: In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, people transfer
an injured man to a hospital in Peshawar, Pakistan.

Twin explosions struck a paramilitary training center in northwestern Pakistan
on Friday, killing at least 69 people, in what the Pakistani Taliban described
as its "first revenge" for the killing of Usama bin Laden.

The group threatened bigger attacks to come, in a statement shortly after the
explosions. The blasts targeted newly trained recruits about to be bussed home
on leave in Pakistan's Charsadda district, near the Afghan border.

A suicide bomber detonated at least one of the blasts at the main gate of the
facility for the Frontier Constabulary, a poorly equipped but front-line force
in Pakistan's battle against Al Qaeda and allied Islamist groups close to the
Afghan border. Like other branches of Pakistan security forces, it has received
U.S. funding.

More than 100 people were wounded, and nearly all the victims were recruits.

"This was the first revenge for Usama's martyrdom. Wait for bigger attacks in
Pakistan and Afghanistan," Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told
AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.

The scene of the blast was littered with shards of glass mixed with blood and
human flesh. The explosions destroyed at least 10 vans the recruits were
boarding to go home for a short break at the end of a recent training session.

Dr. Abdul Hameed Afridi of Lady Rieding Hospital in Peshawar said 117 people
have been treated at the hospital, including 40 with critical wounds.

About 3 to 4 pounds of explosives were used in one explosion, said police
officer Jahanzeb Khan. Ball bearings and nails were used in another,
heightening the death toll, he said.

A vegetable vendor at the site said some recruits were seated in white minivans
and others were loading luggage atop the vehicles.

"There was a big blast," he said. "I saw smoke, blood and body pieces all
around."

The attack was a savage reminder of the toll militant groups are taking on
Pakistan even as it faces international suspicion that elements within its
security forces may have been harboring bin Laden, who was killed in a raid
about three hours' drive from Peshawar.

Police official Nisar Khan said a suicide bomber, a man in his late teens or
early 20s, set off one blast. The cause of the other explosion was not yet
known, he said.

"The first blast occurred in the middle of the road, and after that there was a
huge blast that was more powerful than the first," said Abdul Wahid, a
25-year-old recruit whose legs were wounded in the blasts.

He said he was knocked to the ground by the force of the explosions.

"After falling, I just started crawling and dragging myself to a safer place
... along the wall of a roadside shop," he said.

Ahmad Ali, a wounded paramilitary policeman, recalled the horror when the
explosions turned a festive Friday morning into a bloodbath.

"I was sitting in a van waiting for my colleagues. We were in plain clothes and
we were happy we were going to see our families," he told AFP by telephone from
Shabqadar hospital.

"I heard someone shouting 'Allah Akbar' and then I heard a huge blast. I was
hit by something in my back shoulder. In the meantime I heard another blast and
I jumped out of the van. I felt that I was injured and bleeding."

The Pakistani Taliban last week threatened to attack security forces to avenge
bin Laden's killing.

The Sept. 11 mastermind and at least four others were killed by U.S. Navy SEALs
who raided bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, a garrison city. Bin
Laden is believed to have lived in the large house for up to six years.

Pakistani officials have denied knowing he was there but have criticized the
American raid ordered by President Obama as a violation of their country's
sovereignty.

Pakistani leaders have also repeatedly pointed out that tens of thousands of
their own citizens have died in suicide and other attacks since Sept. 11, 2001,
when Islamabad became an ally of the U.S. in taking on Islamist extremists.

Many of the attacks in Pakistan have targeted security forces, including young
cadets or recruits.

The Associated Press and NewsCore contributed to this report.

Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/12/police-68-killed-bombings-nw-pakistan/#ixzz1MD7aN7I0

[proletar] Re: STUDI ALIEN DAN AGAMA

Baik. Kuliahmu menjadi studi kasus yang baik. Lanjutkan!! Aku juga berjanji 
akan mengkaji ini lebih dalam. Dalam agama non Islam juga banyak pengaruh 
alien2 ini. 

pemdun


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost"  wrote:
>
> Kok jauh amat? Ada yg nyembah cor-coran, semen atau logam, ada kayu
> dipaku kiri-kanan, atau patung lalu manusia jongkok hormat didepannya.
> Sekarang ini lho dan kamu bisa lihat saja sendiri. Ada juga yg nyembah
> api, juga yg sangat memuliakan daya fikirnya atau posisi maupun harta
> duniawi.  Atau mengigau memuja arwah nenek moyang atau setan
> gentayangan. Vatikan saja pernah kok punya tempat khusus muja satan,
> meski yg namanya pedofil atau homo dan diwariskan kepada para
> rohaniwannya.
> Kalik orang tuamu maupun kamu sendiri termasuk pemuja dari antara yg
> nDeboost paparkan diatas.
> 
> Coba kamu bayangkan, ada yg mampu melihat langit terbuka atau 1/3 jumlah
> bintang diseret ekor naga ke bumi.  Atau ada sosok ga bersilsilah, ga
> ada awal atau akhir. Lalu peperangan antara malaikat jahat vs malaikat
> baik di surga. Atau ada sosok (mayat) naik ke surga.  Mengapa kamu
> mengecualikan  yg itu?
> 
> Kalau Al Qur'an menyampaikan ada makhluk diantara langit dan bumi namun 
> ga disebut dimana ga ada hubungannya dg kepercayaan Arab kuno. Orang
> Arab jahiliah dulu entah apa-apa yg mereka sembah, wallahua'lam.
> 
> "Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan
> ditempatkan di atas atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal
> ini mungkin sebenarnya asal mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap
> menara di Kaba hari ini dan simbol pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di
> seluruh dunia"
> 
> 'Mangnya ada berapa Kaba? Kamu mengigau atau mitenah? Melek dong.
> 
> Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA.
> Jadi utk apa  ngajak studi yg demikian gak netralnya? Kamu tujukan saja
> kepada gereja biar ga dipermalukan. Ga lagi mengulangi kezaliman yg
> ditimpakan misalnya kpd Galileo.
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Mengingat bahwa agama itu asalnya adalah supranatural: malaikat,
> Allah, dewa, hantu, penampakan, langit yang artinya kemungkinan besar
> adalah ALIEN dari ANGKASA LUAR, maka aku mengajak kalian semua yg
> obyektif dan rasional untuk menguji semua agama berdasarkan hipotesis
> ini, sekaligus mengenali alien dengan berbagai varian dan tujuan mereka.
> >
> > Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA.
> >
> >
> > ALIEN GODS -ISLAM BAHAYA LATENT
> >
> > Bulan itu ada penduduknya. Banyak orang bersaksi pernah melihatnya.
> Mungkinkah
> > simbol Bulan Bintang itu berkaitan dengan fakta bahwa Alloh itu adalah
> ALIEN??
> >
> > ALIEN KATA ORANG PUNYA MARKAS DI BULAN.
> >
> > Banyak sekali kalau dicari di google "Alien Moon"
> > http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html
> > Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon,1of3
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs
> > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6507661008750185648#
> > masih sangat banyak lagi di youtube dan di web
> >
> >
> > DEWI BULANnya orang Arab , AL-ILAH
> >
> > Lalu orang Arab pra-Islam menyembah bulan dan tuhannya yang bernama
> al-Ilah
> > (Al-Lat yang disebut di Qur'an?).
> > Moon worship, agama Arab jahiliyah
> > dewanya bernama al-ilah
> >
> > http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm
> > Translated dari English
> > # ibadah Dewi Bulan telah dipraktikkan di Saudi sejak tahun 2000 SM.
> Bulan sabit
> > adalah simbol paling umum dari ibadah pagan bulan sejauh 2000 SM.
> > # Di Mekah, ada dewa bernama Hubal yang Tuhannya Kabah.
> > # Hubal adalah dewa bulan.
> > # Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan
> ditempatkan di atas
> > atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal ini mungkin
> sebenarnya asal
> > mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap menara di Kaba hari ini dan
> simbol
> > pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di seluruh dunia:
> >
> > Sekitar empat ratus tahun sebelum kelahiran Muhammad bin Amr satu
> Lahyo ...
> > keturunan dari Qahtan dan raja Hijaz, telah menempatkan berhala
> bernama Hubal di
> > atap Ka'bah. Ini adalah salah satu dewa utama dari Quraisy sebelum
> Islam.
> > (Muhammad Nabi saw, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
> >
> > # Dewa Bulan juga disebut sebagai "al-ilah". Ini bukan nama yang tepat
> dari
> > suatu dewa tunggal tertentu, tetapi referensi generik berarti "dewa".
> Setiap
> > kafir lokal suku Arab akan lihat sendiri kafir suku lokal mereka tuhan
> sebagai
> > "al-ilah".
> > # "Al-ilah" kemudian disingkat menjadi Allah sebelum Muhammad mulai
> > mempromosikan agama barunya di 610 AD.
> > # Ada bukti bahwa Hubal disebut sebagai "Allah".
> > # Ketika Muhammad datang, dia menjatuhkan semua referensi nama "Hubal"
> tapi
> > mempertahankan "Allah" generik.
> > # Muhammad ditahan hampir semua ritual pagan bangsa Arab di Kaba dan
> > didefinisikan ulang mereka dalam hal monoteistik.
> > # Terlepas dari spesifik dari fakta, jelas bah

[proletar] Re: BALAS DENDAM jilid 1: 69 tewas di Pakistan

Tereak Allahu Akbar kini sudah menjadi tradisi teriakan setiap pihak. 
Jadi tak menjadi jaminan bahwa itu beragama Islam. Setelah itu korbannya pun 
ternyata umat Islam juga !
Jadi ini adalah masalah politik; yang kemudian "diagamakan" oleh kelompok 
pembenci Islam. Sehingga kelihatannya buat pembenci Islam tak ada "prinadi atau 
kelompok" Yang ada adalah ISLAM Jahat dan agama tak bermoral !

Padahal pelakunya sendiri belum tentu shalat; yang artinya bukan orang Islam 
yang baik ! Kalau orang Islam yang tak baik ini dijadikan ukuran, 
maka... kita tahu akibatnya
dan ini hanyalah manipulasi orang pembenci Islam ! Berbau FITNAH !

Cobalah beri kesempatan orang Islam demham kelom[oknya jangan dipukul rata !


Kalau yang menzalimi dan yang dizalimi sama2 orang yang NGAKU Islam; maka tak 
bisa disebut Islam ajaran tak bermoral; karena mereka bukan mewakili AGAMA ! 
Mereka bertindak atas kelompoknya masing2.


--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia"  wrote:
>
> Teriak Allahu Akbar lalu jlegurrr 69 orang TIDAK BERDOSA MATI.
> Penganut agama tidak bermoral beraksi. 
> 
> Taliban's 'First Revenge' for Bin Laden Killing Leaves 69 Dead in Pakistan
> 
> Published May 13, 2011
> 
> May 13: In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, people transfer 
> an injured man to a hospital in Peshawar, Pakistan.
> 
> AP
> 
> May 13: In this photo released by China's Xinhua News Agency, people transfer 
> an injured man to a hospital in Peshawar, Pakistan.
> 
> Twin explosions struck a paramilitary training center in northwestern 
> Pakistan on Friday, killing at least 69 people, in what the Pakistani Taliban 
> described as its "first revenge" for the killing of Usama bin Laden.
> 
> The group threatened bigger attacks to come, in a statement shortly after the 
> explosions. The blasts targeted newly trained recruits about to be bussed 
> home on leave in Pakistan's Charsadda district, near the Afghan border.
> 
> A suicide bomber detonated at least one of the blasts at the main gate of the 
> facility for the Frontier Constabulary, a poorly equipped but front-line 
> force in Pakistan's battle against Al Qaeda and allied Islamist groups close 
> to the Afghan border. Like other branches of Pakistan security forces, it has 
> received U.S. funding.
> 
> More than 100 people were wounded, and nearly all the victims were recruits.
> 
> "This was the first revenge for Usama's martyrdom. Wait for bigger attacks in 
> Pakistan and Afghanistan," Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told 
> AFP by telephone from an undisclosed location.
> 
> The scene of the blast was littered with shards of glass mixed with blood and 
> human flesh. The explosions destroyed at least 10 vans the recruits were 
> boarding to go home for a short break at the end of a recent training session.
> 
> Dr. Abdul Hameed Afridi of Lady Rieding Hospital in Peshawar said 117 people 
> have been treated at the hospital, including 40 with critical wounds.
> 
> About 3 to 4 pounds of explosives were used in one explosion, said police 
> officer Jahanzeb Khan. Ball bearings and nails were used in another, 
> heightening the death toll, he said.
> 
> A vegetable vendor at the site said some recruits were seated in white 
> minivans and others were loading luggage atop the vehicles.
> 
> "There was a big blast," he said. "I saw smoke, blood and body pieces all 
> around."
> 
> The attack was a savage reminder of the toll militant groups are taking on 
> Pakistan even as it faces international suspicion that elements within its 
> security forces may have been harboring bin Laden, who was killed in a raid 
> about three hours' drive from Peshawar.
> 
> Police official Nisar Khan said a suicide bomber, a man in his late teens or 
> early 20s, set off one blast. The cause of the other explosion was not yet 
> known, he said.
> 
> "The first blast occurred in the middle of the road, and after that there was 
> a huge blast that was more powerful than the first," said Abdul Wahid, a 
> 25-year-old recruit whose legs were wounded in the blasts.
> 
> He said he was knocked to the ground by the force of the explosions.
> 
> "After falling, I just started crawling and dragging myself to a safer place 
> ... along the wall of a roadside shop," he said.
> 
> Ahmad Ali, a wounded paramilitary policeman, recalled the horror when the 
> explosions turned a festive Friday morning into a bloodbath.
> 
> "I was sitting in a van waiting for my colleagues. We were in plain clothes 
> and we were happy we were going to see our families," he told AFP by 
> telephone from Shabqadar hospital.
> 
> "I heard someone shouting 'Allah Akbar' and then I heard a huge blast. I was 
> hit by something in my back shoulder. In the meantime I heard another blast 
> and I jumped out of the van. I felt that I was injured and bleeding."
> 
> The Pakistani Taliban last week threatened to attack security forces to 
> avenge bin Laden's killing.
> 
>

[proletar] Re: STUDI ALIEN DAN AGAMA