vacume synth and other soft synths?

2010-11-29 Thread trahern culver
hey all i've that protools comes with vacume synth pluss other soft
synths and drum machines

but how accsesabel are these soft synths and drum machines?

your help with these questions would be most welcom!!

kind regards trahern.


finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread trahern culver
hey all how would i go about finding out the key commands for
protools9? are they speshail voice over ones? and could i control
protools with a laptop key bord or would i need a desktop keybord?

your help with these questions would be most welcom!!

kind regards trahern.


Pro Tools Hot spot update

2010-11-29 Thread Chuck Reichel

Hi Listers,
I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update..
To make things easier  with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot  
spots using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth..
When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and  
other important controls you want to find out what your controller is  
mapped to..
After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the  
corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the  
correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that  
value..

 For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to..
If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the  
change of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one  
you moved a control for..

Very cool!!
In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots  
the way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad  
number 1 for my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and  
says the level as it changes, When you want to look at another track  
level hit it again and VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot  
spot 1

in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once,
 Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad..
If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the  
track it might say,  Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back  
and forth VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed  
level..

..
Ya all give it a try!!
I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help  
did not seem to go in to enough depth for me..

Talk soon



Chuck Reichel
954-742-0019
www.SoundPictureRecording.com





Re: finding out all the key commands for pro tools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Herman Fermin
There's a document that lists all of the keyboard shortcuts. You can either
download it from the Avid website or just located it under the help menu.

I would use a desktop keyboard just for convenience. PT utilizes the numpad
keys which of course you can get to with a laptop keyboard, it's just easier
with a keyboard that already has the numpad and you don't have to switch
modes in order to get to them.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:36 AM, trahern culver 
sound.warrio...@googlemail.com wrote:

 hey all how would i go about finding out all the key commands  for pro
 tools9? are  they speshail voice over commands? also could i control
 protools with a laptop key bord? or would i need a desktop keybord?

 your help with these questions would be most welcom!!

 kind regards trahern.


Re: vacume synth and other soft synths?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Hi Trahern,

Currently, plug-ins are accessible by nature of the fact that their parameters 
are automatable. If there are pop-up menus for presets, that's usually not 
automatable so one might not have ready access to those presets. Some plug-ins 
have keyboard shortcuts to cycle through presets like Native Instruments B4 and 
Pro-52. It kind of depends on the way the plug-in is written. Again, however, 
any automatable parameters are automatically visible and virtually every 
parameter these days is available for automation.


BTW, the issue of unseen controls like proprietary buttons can be negotiated 
with a macro program like quicKeys which is incredibly programmable but 
requires some sighted assistance to initially click on certain controls to 
record the mouse clicks, etc. Once these have been created, it's possible to 
share the shortcuts between users. I haven't had the opportunity to create 
shortcuts yet. I think others are investigating the possibilities as well.

HTH,

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:23 AM, trahern culver wrote:

 hey all i've that protools comes with vacume synth pluss other soft
 synths and drum machines
 
 but how accsesabel are these soft synths and drum machines?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcom!!
 
 kind regards trahern.



Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Hi trahern,

Pro Tools comes with an enormous amount of documentation in pdf form. There's a 
Pro Tools Keyboard Shortcuts document that lists tons of commands. I know that 
Avid has these documents on their site although they might not be terribly easy 
to find. At any rate, you might be able to find it relatively easily by doing a 
Google search. Let us know if you can't find it.

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:29 AM, trahern culver wrote:

 hey all how would i go about finding out the key commands for
 protools9? are they speshail voice over ones? and could i control
 protools with a laptop key bord or would i need a desktop keybord?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcom!!
 
 kind regards trahern.



Re: finding out all the key commands for pro tools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Trahern,

Rather than searching and possibly finding the wrong version, here's the 
document in a dropBox link:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3016244/Pro%20Tools%20Shortcuts.pdf

As Herman mentioned, using an extended keyboard is very handy because you need 
to use certain numeric keyboard commands. It's worth spending the $40 or so to 
buy the Apple Pro keyboard.

There are no scripts for Pro Tools. you simply use standard VoiceOver 
navigation and interaction commands to navigate the interface. Here's the 
important thing: just like anyone else trying to learn Pro Tools, you have to 
learn it the way a sighted person would learn it—by reading, experimenting and 
asking questions on forums such as this. Also, you'll need to know how to use 
your computer just like a sighted user would but, of course, that means knowing 
how to use VoiceOver. Avid won't teach you that and they won't teach you how to 
use Pro Tools with VoiceOver just like Cakewalk wouldn't deal with instruction 
of the use of Sonar with JAWS scripts. Yes, it's a different approach and 
there's no hand-holding and that makes it more challenging but you'd be all the 
better for learning it thoroughly.

I do admit that a tutorial would be extremely handy and perhaps that'll happen 
at some point. I don't know exactly how but I think it will.

Best,

Slau


On Nov 29, 2010, at 9:36 AM, trahern culver wrote:

 hey all how would i go about finding out all the key commands  for pro
 tools9? are  they speshail voice over commands? also could i control
 protools with a laptop key bord? or would i need a desktop keybord?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcom!!
 
 kind regards trahern.



Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Thanks, Chuckles, for confirming my most recent post in response to Brian's 
question about Hot Spots. BTW, watching Hot Spots works between applications 
which can be helpful if running a parallel stand-alone synth or sequencer.

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Chuck Reichel wrote:

 Hi Listers,
 I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update..
 To make things easier  with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots 
 using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth..
 When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other 
 important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to..
 After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the corresponding 
 num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the correct fader or 
 switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value..
 For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to..
 If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change of 
 that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one you moved a 
 control for..
 Very cool!!
 In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots the way 
 you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad number 1 for my kick 
 and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and says the level as it 
 changes, When you want to look at another track level hit it again and 
 VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot spot 1
 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once,
 Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad..
 If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track 
 it might say,  Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back and forth 
 VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed level..
 ..
 Ya all give it a try!!
 I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help did not 
 seem to go in to enough depth for me..
 Talk soon
 
 
 
 Chuck Reichel
 954-742-0019
 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
 
 
 



RE: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?

2010-11-29 Thread Cameron
Hi.  actually, from what I've seen, pro tools le and m powered are still
being included with hardware bundles etc.  I'm assuming that will change at
some point soon.

Cameron.





-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?

Hey Trahern,

Keep in mind that, as of November 5, there are only two versions of Pro
Tools: Pro Tools and Pro Tools HD. each has the same user interface and is
equally accessible. Mind you, that doesn't mean that everything in the
application is accessible. There are areas that need work, as Cameron
pointed out, and those will develop over time.

Slau

On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:24 PM, trahern culver wrote:

 hey all i would like to use protools to produce electronic music but
 how accsesabel are the current verssions of protools? and which
 version is the most accsessabel? also is accsess to protools provided
 by speshal key comands and add ons like sonar or is it accsessable
 out of the box?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.



Re: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Cameron, those versions are only there because they're bundled and left over 
from older stock. Moving forward, these interfaces will only include Pro Tools 
or Pro Tools HD.

Cheers,

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Cameron wrote:

 Hi.  actually, from what I've seen, pro tools le and m powered are still
 being included with hardware bundles etc.  I'm assuming that will change at
 some point soon.
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Slau Halatyn
 Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:28 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?
 
 Hey Trahern,
 
 Keep in mind that, as of November 5, there are only two versions of Pro
 Tools: Pro Tools and Pro Tools HD. each has the same user interface and is
 equally accessible. Mind you, that doesn't mean that everything in the
 application is accessible. There are areas that need work, as Cameron
 pointed out, and those will develop over time.
 
 Slau
 
 On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:24 PM, trahern culver wrote:
 
 hey all i would like to use protools to produce electronic music but
 how accsesabel are the current verssions of protools? and which
 version is the most accsessabel? also is accsess to protools provided
 by speshal key comands and add ons like sonar or is it accsessable
 out of the box?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 



RE: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?

2010-11-29 Thread Cameron
Yeah, I figured that was the case.

Cameron.



-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Slau Halatyn
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:58 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?

Cameron, those versions are only there because they're bundled and left over
from older stock. Moving forward, these interfaces will only include Pro
Tools or Pro Tools HD.

Cheers,

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Cameron wrote:

 Hi.  actually, from what I've seen, pro tools le and m powered are still
 being included with hardware bundles etc.  I'm assuming that will change
at
 some point soon.
 
 Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptacc...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
 Of Slau Halatyn
 Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 1:28 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: how accsesabel iare the current versions of protools?
 
 Hey Trahern,
 
 Keep in mind that, as of November 5, there are only two versions of Pro
 Tools: Pro Tools and Pro Tools HD. each has the same user interface and is
 equally accessible. Mind you, that doesn't mean that everything in the
 application is accessible. There are areas that need work, as Cameron
 pointed out, and those will develop over time.
 
 Slau
 
 On Nov 28, 2010, at 10:24 PM, trahern culver wrote:
 
 hey all i would like to use protools to produce electronic music but
 how accsesabel are the current verssions of protools? and which
 version is the most accsessabel? also is accsess to protools provided
 by speshal key comands and add ons like sonar or is it accsessable
 out of the box?
 
 your help with these questions would be most welcome kind regards
 trahern.
 



Re: Pro Tools Hot spot update

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Hi Brian,

From what I understand, Apple removed that functionality in the newer Mac books 
and Mac Book Pros. I'm still double-checking on that. Regarding the Blue Tooth 
keyboards, they're not extended keyboards. They're simply a means of accessing 
the keyboard away from the lap top or cPU. There apparently was an older 
version of the Apple Blue Tooth keyboard which was extended. You might still be 
able to find it somewhere—I'm not sure.

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Brian Casey wrote:

 Chuck, great stuff, thanks very much for sharing.
 
 One question I do have is for those working on a laptop keyboard, is there 
 anyway to bring up some sort of num pad that anyone knows of. I remember I 
 had a PC laptop in the past that could activate a num pad on the JKLUIO and 7 
 8 and 9  keys. Can this be achieved on the mac book pro's? If not, how do 
 external keyboards play with the laptop and does anyone have recommendations. 
 A wireless blue tuth keyboard would be fantastic of course for many reasons.
 
 Cheers,
 Brian.
 --
 From: Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 3:46 PM
 To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Pro Tools Hot spot update
 
 Hi Listers,
 I just wanted to give a brief Hot spot update..
 To make things easier  with hot spots set up the num pad to watch hot spots 
 using num pad # 1 to watch the # 1 hot spot and so-forth..
 When your in a plugin Waves Rcomp in this case find the threshold and other 
 important controls you want to find out what your controller is mapped to..
 After you set your hot spots with VO shift # 19 just hit the 
 corresponding num pad number for that hot spot and when you touch the 
 correct fader or switch VoiceOver announces any change made to that value..
 For instance Threshold minus 6 or what ever you change it to..
 If you watch several parameters at once VoiceOver will announce the change 
 of that value and that it was the threshold if that is the one  you moved a 
 control for..
 Very cool!!
 In a multi track session using full drum kit just set your hot spots  the 
 way you have your drum track layout and for me I hit num pad  number 1 for 
 my kick and voiceover announces watching hot spot 1 and  says the level as 
 it changes, When you want to look at another track  level hit it again and 
 VoiceOver announces no longer watching hot  spot 1
 in This way I was monitoring several tracks at once,
 Including watching the master fader output with just the num pad..
 If we could name the individual track meter when you would monitor the track 
 it might say,  Kick minus 2.5 or what ever when you jump back  and forth 
 VoiceOver would announce the track name and its changed  level..
 ..
 Ya all give it a try!!
 I think we need a thorough tutorial on hot spots! The VoiceOver help  did 
 not seem to go in to enough depth for me..
 Talk soon
 
 
 
 Chuck Reichel
 954-742-0019
 www.SoundPictureRecording.com
 
 
 



Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Frank Carmickle
Hi Slau and all 
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

 Hi Trahern,
 
 You'll see the other message where I posted the link below:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3016244/Pro%20Tools%20Shortcuts.pdf
 
 In principle, I have nothing against speaking with people over the phone, 
 however, you see, if I were to do that for everyone who asks, I'd spend quite 
 a bit of time saying the same things over and over again. Since there are 
 many subscribers to this list who would also likely benefit from your 
 questions, it would really be helpful for everyone if we discussed things on 
 list, not only for current users but people browsing the archives and 
 searching online. For that matter, perhaps others can chime in with 
 suggestions or facts that I might overlook.
 
I would like to start a weekly hour long conference call that would also be 
podcasted for questions and demos related to pro tools accessibility.  I will 
host the call if people will show up and ask their questions.  I am new to pro 
tools so I have a lot of questions right now also.  I think that being able to 
go back and forth verbally is often a lot easier then email for some people 
including myself.  Is this something that people would participate in?  If so 
are afternoons or evenings ,US eastern, better for people?  Right now Monday's 
and Thursday's are the most open days for me.  I can do a call starting at 
3:00.  What do people think?

Take care
--FC




Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Hi Frank,

While this sounds like a good idea at first, I can see how it might not work 
out too well. First of all, there will undoubtedly be plenty of people who are 
familiar with how dAWs work who will be utterly disinterested in many beginning 
subjects whereas new comers, not only to Pro Tools but to DAWs will want to 
listen and learn and much of what is being said will be over their heads. There 
needs to be a plan in place for an orderly progression of subjects covered 
thoroughly so that everyone can just tune into what interests them. This sounds 
like a very simple idea: start at the top and just go forward. I can't tell you 
how huge an undertaking this is. Of course, one can rush in and just do things 
haphazardly but, I think, will find that it's much more complicated than that 
and certainly much more work. Hey, don't let me discourage you from trying but 
I do think, for good results, one has to plan and do it right. Hey, maybe 
everyone on the list feels differently. Chime up, folks.

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote:

 Hi Slau and all 
 On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
 
 Hi Trahern,
 
 You'll see the other message where I posted the link below:
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3016244/Pro%20Tools%20Shortcuts.pdf
 
 In principle, I have nothing against speaking with people over the phone, 
 however, you see, if I were to do that for everyone who asks, I'd spend 
 quite a bit of time saying the same things over and over again. Since there 
 are many subscribers to this list who would also likely benefit from your 
 questions, it would really be helpful for everyone if we discussed things on 
 list, not only for current users but people browsing the archives and 
 searching online. For that matter, perhaps others can chime in with 
 suggestions or facts that I might overlook.
 
 I would like to start a weekly hour long conference call that would also be 
 podcasted for questions and demos related to pro tools accessibility.  I will 
 host the call if people will show up and ask their questions.  I am new to 
 pro tools so I have a lot of questions right now also.  I think that being 
 able to go back and forth verbally is often a lot easier then email for some 
 people including myself.  Is this something that people would participate in? 
  If so are afternoons or evenings ,US eastern, better for people?  Right now 
 Monday's and Thursday's are the most open days for me.  I can do a call 
 starting at 3:00.  What do people think?
 
 Take care
 --FC
 
 



Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Sean A. Cummins

Hi Slau,

You can count me in on the internet conference.
Sean
- Original Message - 
From: Slau Halatyn slauhala...@gmail.com

To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?


Hi Frank,

While this sounds like a good idea at first, I can see how it might not work 
out too well. First of all, there will undoubtedly be plenty of people who 
are familiar with how dAWs work who will be utterly disinterested in many 
beginning subjects whereas new comers, not only to Pro Tools but to DAWs 
will want to listen and learn and much of what is being said will be over 
their heads. There needs to be a plan in place for an orderly progression of 
subjects covered thoroughly so that everyone can just tune into what 
interests them. This sounds like a very simple idea: start at the top and 
just go forward. I can't tell you how huge an undertaking this is. Of 
course, one can rush in and just do things haphazardly but, I think, will 
find that it's much more complicated than that and certainly much more work. 
Hey, don't let me discourage you from trying but I do think, for good 
results, one has to plan and do it right. Hey, maybe everyone on the list 
feels differently. Chime up, folks.


Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote:


Hi Slau and all
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:


Hi Trahern,

You'll see the other message where I posted the link below:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3016244/Pro%20Tools%20Shortcuts.pdf

In principle, I have nothing against speaking with people over the phone, 
however, you see, if I were to do that for everyone who asks, I'd spend 
quite a bit of time saying the same things over and over again. Since 
there are many subscribers to this list who would also likely benefit 
from your questions, it would really be helpful for everyone if we 
discussed things on list, not only for current users but people browsing 
the archives and searching online. For that matter, perhaps others can 
chime in with suggestions or facts that I might overlook.


I would like to start a weekly hour long conference call that would also 
be podcasted for questions and demos related to pro tools accessibility. 
I will host the call if people will show up and ask their questions.  I am 
new to pro tools so I have a lot of questions right now also.  I think 
that being able to go back and forth verbally is often a lot easier then 
email for some people including myself.  Is this something that people 
would participate in?  If so are afternoons or evenings ,US eastern, 
better for people?  Right now Monday's and Thursday's are the most open 
days for me.  I can do a call starting at 3:00.  What do people think?


Take care
--FC






Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Frank Carmickle
Hey Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:

 Hi Frank,
 
 While this sounds like a good idea at first, I can see how it might not work 
 out too well. First of all, there will undoubtedly be plenty of people who 
 are familiar with how dAWs work who will be utterly disinterested in many 
 beginning subjects whereas new comers, not only to Pro Tools but to DAWs will 
 want to listen and learn and much of what is being said will be over their 
 heads. There needs to be a plan in place for an orderly progression of 
 subjects covered thoroughly so that everyone can just tune into what 
 interests them. This sounds like a very simple idea: start at the top and 
 just go forward. I can't tell you how huge an undertaking this is. Of course, 
 one can rush in and just do things haphazardly but, I think, will find that 
 it's much more complicated than that and certainly much more work. Hey, don't 
 let me discourage you from trying but I do think, for good results, one has 
 to plan and do it right. Hey, maybe everyone on the list feels differently. 
 Chime up, folks.
 
Well... There are certainly no warranties and no money back guaranties.  
Personally I am looking for this to be more like a society of blind pro tools 
users or something.  I'd like it to be a meeting where people can come listen 
and chime in when appropriate.  Maybe we could have a 10 minute section for 
those who have never tried PT; another 20-30 minutes of a presentation; a 15-20 
minute time for people who are users to discuss the challenges and or nifty 
ways to use PT.  Of course I'm looking for something that is flexible and yet 
honors peoples time.  I have been in lots of these kinds of communities over 
the years and I have met some great folks who ended being great friends.  We 
all need as much support as we can get.  Hopefully even those who have been 
using PT since 5.1 can still get something out of it.  Maybe they just enjoy 
teaching others; maybe they enjoy the socializing; maybe people end up doing 
business together.  If it doesn't work out for people no big deal.  I think we 
can all learn a whole lot from each other.

--FC



Re: finding out all the key comands for protools9 and lurning them?

2010-11-29 Thread Slau Halatyn
Hey Frank,

Gee, I thought this list was already kind of a society of blind Pro Tools 
users. ;)
Yes, speaking is decidedly more personal than a bunch of typing, however, and 
of course I recognize the appeal in conducting an online chat. If I'm 
available, I'll certainly participate. If you feel like taking this on, I'd 
suggest you ask people for topics and figure out the logistics. Keep us posted 
on where and when, etc.

Cheers,

Slau

On Nov 29, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Frank Carmickle wrote:

 Hey Slau
 
 On Nov 29, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Slau Halatyn wrote:
 
 Hi Frank,
 
 While this sounds like a good idea at first, I can see how it might not work 
 out too well. First of all, there will undoubtedly be plenty of people who 
 are familiar with how dAWs work who will be utterly disinterested in many 
 beginning subjects whereas new comers, not only to Pro Tools but to DAWs 
 will want to listen and learn and much of what is being said will be over 
 their heads. There needs to be a plan in place for an orderly progression of 
 subjects covered thoroughly so that everyone can just tune into what 
 interests them. This sounds like a very simple idea: start at the top and 
 just go forward. I can't tell you how huge an undertaking this is. Of 
 course, one can rush in and just do things haphazardly but, I think, will 
 find that it's much more complicated than that and certainly much more work. 
 Hey, don't let me discourage you from trying but I do think, for good 
 results, one has to plan and do it right. Hey, maybe everyone on the list 
 feels differently. Chime up, folks.
 
 Well... There are certainly no warranties and no money back guaranties.  
 Personally I am looking for this to be more like a society of blind pro tools 
 users or something.  I'd like it to be a meeting where people can come listen 
 and chime in when appropriate.  Maybe we could have a 10 minute section for 
 those who have never tried PT; another 20-30 minutes of a presentation; a 
 15-20 minute time for people who are users to discuss the challenges and or 
 nifty ways to use PT.  Of course I'm looking for something that is flexible 
 and yet honors peoples time.  I have been in lots of these kinds of 
 communities over the years and I have met some great folks who ended being 
 great friends.  We all need as much support as we can get.  Hopefully even 
 those who have been using PT since 5.1 can still get something out of it.  
 Maybe they just enjoy teaching others; maybe they enjoy the socializing; 
 maybe people end up doing business together.  If it doesn't work out for 
 people no big deal.  I think we can all learn a whole lot from each other.
 
 --FC