Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Keith Reedy]

Thanks Nick.
Keith Reedy
Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from 
Bibles For The Blind.

http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml

God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him.  J Hudson Taylor.




On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:

> Hi, I am using lion 10.7.4 as I always keep my system updated as I have found 
> that if you ever need to call support for any program they want to know what 
> version you are using.  I don't think having software updates disabled is a 
> good idea as security updates are released and I set it to check for updates 
> daily.  I am also wondering if any other avid products have any accessibility 
> in them anyone know?  Nick Gawronski
> 
> On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:
>> Hi Nick,
>> 
>> It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and 
>> if Lion, which version.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Keith Reedy
>> Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from 
>> Bibles For The Blind.
>> 
>> http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml
>> 
>> God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him.  J Hudson Taylor.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have 
>>> been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the 
>>> settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to 
>>> use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what 
>>> plugins are having these accessibility issues.  I really think we should 
>>> write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they 
>>> might break them even more.  If they are doing any demos of products near 
>>> where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about 
>>> the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we 
>>> have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and 
>>> get it fixed.  As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as 
>>> to why accessibility should be ignored at this point.  Nick Gawronski
>>> 
>>> On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
 am on the 3 easy payments.
 
 I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
 play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
 Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
 upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
 powered.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves"
 To:
 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
 Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
 
 
 The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
 We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
 sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
 upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
 of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
 nine.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
   wrote:
 
> OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
> profusely stupid, or something...
> 
> I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
> the full PT 10.2 standard.
> 
> I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
> not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
> in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
> pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
> vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
> tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
> God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
> much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
> processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
> are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
> could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
> get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
> on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
> there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
> vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
> window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
> closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
> selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
> window is reported the i

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Apparently Mr. Geissler from SW talked with the c e o, about my issue, and was 
told that there was nothing that could be done, and basically got the cold 
shoulder of Mister Gilland needs to just live and learn, and eat it.

I don't get why Avid's becoming this way.  Just because I'm not Steven Curtis 
Chapman, or Amy Grant, or say, Paul McArtney makes me less of a big guy, thus I 
get less help?  That's real ingenious?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CHUCK REICHEL 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  Hi Nick,
  I agree!
  Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere 
opportunity presents it self.
  One of my Avid contacts calls it the "Dripping Tap Theory"
  Anybody know who is the Avid CEO?
  Talk soon






  CHUCK REICHEL
  soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
  www.SoundPictureRecording.com
  In GOD I Trust


  On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:


Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have 
been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings 
for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to use the 
presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are 
having these accessibility issues.  I really think we should write avid about 
these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even 
more.  If they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you 
should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we 
can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand 
better about the accessibility and get it fixed.  As voiceover is built into 
the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this 
point.  Nick Gawronski

On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I

  am on the 3 easy payments.



  I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really

  play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?

  Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just

  upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m

  powered.



  Chris.



  - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 

  To: 

  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM

  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!





  The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.

  We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite

  sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not

  upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half

  of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with

  nine.



  Sent from my iPhone



  On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"

   wrote:



OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!

profusely stupid, or something...



I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is

the full PT 10.2 standard.



I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do

not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus

in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse

pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with

vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine

tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound

God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so

much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no

processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals

are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I

could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't

get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space

on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits

there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing

vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the

window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of

closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any

selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box

window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying

something about plugin package A A something or another native. The

truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.



What the 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

See, that's the other thing.  You mention about Mountain Lion.  That's to be 
released this Summer hopefully.  I have heard nothing about PT compatibility 
with it.

I dono...

Actually, I finally heard back from Sweetwater, and they are now even telling 
me after doing much research, there is nothing that they can do either.  We're 
kind of at the mercy of Avid.  Well, Avid says they won't do anything, so... I 
guess I'm just F***ed.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ronald van Rhijn 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:33 PM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  Hi Chris and others,
  First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for 
your problem.
  then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read 
anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility 
it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was 
probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. 
  A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think 
we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their 
attention.
  On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be 
honest…. When came 8.04 out, two years ago?
  I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? 
How about Mountain Lion?
  Just my humble opinion.
  cheers,
  Ronald


  Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende 
geschreven:


I second your thoughts here.

I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to 
appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows.  I'm not an Avid engineer.  
O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, 
but...

Yeah, I think you get the point.

I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and 
moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this.

I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very 
prompt at getting right on things.  He got a few e-mails shot off to some of 
the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who 
works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd 
sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what 
could be done.

In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at 
taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: Vincenzo Rubano
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  Hi all,


  ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all 
advices/opinions/ideas before start this important petition…


  I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider 
him as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read 
his opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed 
enough…But what about this new situation?


  If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I 
am the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this 
problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user…


  On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck 
talked about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new 
pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand 
everything?


  Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to 
create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)).


  This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most 
of all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can 
excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I 
really would like to!


Vincenzo.


  Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha 
scritto:


How do we even make an online patition?  I'd not know where to start.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: CHUCK REICHEL
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  I'll sign it! :)
  The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
  BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until 
the smoke clears! 


  CHUCK REICHEL
  soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
  www.SoundPictureRecording.com
  In GOD I Trust


  On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I totally agree!  Slau?  What is

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK NIck, but are you on 10.2, or are you on just 10.0?  I don't think things 
really completely broke until 10.2.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Gawronski" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have 
been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the 
settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to 
use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what 
plugins are having these accessibility issues.  I really think we should 
write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they 
might break them even more.  If they are doing any demos of products near 
where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about 
the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person what issues we 
have they will probably will understand better about the accessibility and 
get it fixed.  As voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as 
to why accessibility should be ignored at this point.  Nick Gawronski


On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
am on the 3 easy payments.

I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
powered.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
nine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
 wrote:


OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
profusely stupid, or something...

I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
the full PT 10.2 standard.

I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.

What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off
something fierce!

Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.
I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they
use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.
Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no
good.

I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.

I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.

What! on earth!

If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to
Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous!
Chris.

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I am using lion 10.7.4 as I always keep my system updated as I have 
found that if you ever need to call support for any program they want to 
know what version you are using.  I don't think having software updates 
disabled is a good idea as security updates are released and I set it to 
check for updates daily.  I am also wondering if any other avid products 
have any accessibility in them anyone know?  Nick Gawronski


On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, Keith Reedy wrote:

Hi Nick,

It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and if 
Lion, which version.

Thanks.
Keith Reedy
Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from 
Bibles For The Blind.

http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml

God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him.  J Hudson Taylor.




On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:


Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have been 
able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the settings for 
the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to use the presets 
in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins are having these 
accessibility issues.  I really think we should write avid about these issues 
as if we don't make them aware of them they might break them even more.  If 
they are doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go 
to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show 
them in person what issues we have they will probably will understand better 
about the accessibility and get it fixed.  As voiceover is built into the mac I 
see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this point.  
Nick Gawronski

On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
am on the 3 easy payments.

I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
powered.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
nine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
  wrote:


OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
profusely stupid, or something...

I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
the full PT 10.2 standard.

I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.

What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off
something fierce!

Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.
I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they
use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.
Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no
good.

I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.

I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.

What! on earth!

If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to
Sonar! LOL! This is ri

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Keith Reedy]

Hi Nick,

It would be interesting to know if You are using SnowLeopard, or, Lion and if 
Lion, which version.

Thanks.
Keith Reedy
Click the link below to download MP3's of Keith Reedy's music as a gift from 
Bibles For The Blind.

http://biblesfortheblind.org/download_music.shtml

God gives His best to those who leave the choice with Him.  J Hudson Taylor.




On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:

> Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have 
> been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the 
> settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to 
> use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins 
> are having these accessibility issues.  I really think we should write avid 
> about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break 
> them even more.  If they are doing any demos of products near where you live 
> I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility 
> issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will 
> probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed.  As 
> voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility 
> should be ignored at this point.  Nick Gawronski
> 
> On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
>> am on the 3 easy payments.
>> 
>> I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
>> play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
>> Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
>> upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
>> powered.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
>> 
>> 
>> The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
>> We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
>> sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
>> upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
>> of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
>> nine.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
>>> profusely stupid, or something...
>>> 
>>> I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
>>> the full PT 10.2 standard.
>>> 
>>> I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
>>> not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
>>> in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
>>> pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
>>> vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
>>> tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
>>> God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
>>> much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
>>> processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
>>> are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
>>> could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
>>> get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
>>> on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
>>> there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
>>> vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
>>> window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
>>> closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
>>> selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
>>> window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
>>> something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
>>> truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.
>>> 
>>> What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off
>>> something fierce!
>>> 
>>> Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.
>>> I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they
>>> use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.
>>> Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.
>>> 
>>> I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.
>>> 
>>> What! on earth!
>>> 
>>> If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to
>>> Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous!
>>> Chris.
>> 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, If you do a domain whois look up on avid.com at any domain registrar 
that might be able to give you some useful information and I would 
suggest you call them or the different people listted in all of the 
different contacts for the domain record as the more people that make 
calls and emails about this the more they are going to listen to us. 
Also I think people should be aware that unless you are aware of where 
people can go to fix or learn more about making software accessible not 
a lot will be done and on apple's web site they have accessibility 
information which should help developers and as well microsoft has this 
same information as I think that all versions of pro tools should be 
accessible as we should be able to use any version we choose like the 
sited do not just one version.  Nick Gawronski


On 6/5/2012 1:42 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Nick,
I agree!
Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere
opportunity presents it self.
One of my Avid contacts calls it the "Dripping Tap Theory"
Anybody know who is the Avid CEO?
Talk soon



CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
In GOD I Trust

On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:


Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and
have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as
change the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings. I
am also able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not
totally sure what plugins are having these accessibility issues. I
really think we should write avid about these issues as if we don't
make them aware of them they might break them even more. If they are
doing any demos of products near where you live I think you should go
to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility issues as if we
can show them in person what issues we have they will probably will
understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed. As
voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why
accessibility should be ignored at this point. Nick Gawronski

On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
am on the 3 easy payments.

I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
powered.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves"
mailto:reeves...@gmail.com>>
To: mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
nine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:


OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
profusely stupid, or something...

I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
the full PT 10.2 standard.

I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.

What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Nick,
I agree!
Bring up the VoiceOver accessibility in a professional manor everywhere 
opportunity presents it self.
One of my Avid contacts calls it the "Dripping Tap Theory"
Anybody know who is the Avid CEO?
Talk soon



CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
www.SoundPictureRecording.com
In GOD I Trust

On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Nick Gawronski wrote:

> Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and have 
> been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change the 
> settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also able to 
> use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure what plugins 
> are having these accessibility issues.  I really think we should write avid 
> about these issues as if we don't make them aware of them they might break 
> them even more.  If they are doing any demos of products near where you live 
> I think you should go to the demos and talk to them about the accessibility 
> issues as if we can show them in person what issues we have they will 
> probably will understand better about the accessibility and get it fixed.  As 
> voiceover is built into the mac I see no real excuse as to why accessibility 
> should be ignored at this point.  Nick Gawronski
> 
> On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
>> am on the 3 easy payments.
>> 
>> I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
>> play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
>> Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
>> upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
>> powered.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
>> 
>> 
>> The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
>> We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
>> sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
>> upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
>> of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
>> nine.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
>>> profusely stupid, or something...
>>> 
>>> I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
>>> the full PT 10.2 standard.
>>> 
>>> I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
>>> not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
>>> in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
>>> pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
>>> vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
>>> tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
>>> God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
>>> much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
>>> processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
>>> are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
>>> could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
>>> get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
>>> on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
>>> there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
>>> vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
>>> window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
>>> closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
>>> selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
>>> window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
>>> something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
>>> truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.
>>> 
>>> What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off
>>> something fierce!
>>> 
>>> Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.
>>> I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they
>>> use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.
>>> Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.
>>> 
>>> I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.
>>> 
>>> What! on earth!
>>> 
>>> If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to
>>> Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous!
>>> Chris.
>> 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hi Chris and others,
First of all let me say I am happy for you Sweetwater is doing it's best for 
your problem.
then the Pro Tools 10 plugin troubles, this is quite a bummer, haven't read 
anything about this before either. Very bad, instead of expanding accessibility 
it has become less. Wrong way for sure. Avid had to be aware of this, but was 
probably the only option for them. Of course this is still very bad for us. 
A petition doesn't seem to be the best thing to do at the moment, don't think 
we will get through to Avid this way. Better let Slau bring it to their 
attention.
On the other hand I don't think Avid is taking us very seriously to be honest…. 
When came 8.04 out, two years ago?
I ain't upgrading to 10 just yet either. 9 is fully Lion compatible right? How 
about Mountain Lion?
Just my humble opinion.
cheers,
Ronald

Op 5 jun. 2012, om 16:33 heeft Christopher-Mark Gilland het volgende geschreven:

> I second your thoughts here.
>  
> I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to 
> appear that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows.  I'm not an Avid engineer. 
>  O? K, you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our 
> defense, but...
>  
> Yeah, I think you get the point.
>  
> I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and 
> moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this.
>  
> I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very 
> prompt at getting right on things.  He got a few e-mails shot off to some of 
> the real high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who 
> works at Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said 
> he'd sit down today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see 
> what could be done.
>  
> In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at 
> taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Vincenzo Rubano
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas 
> before start this important petition…
> 
> I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him 
> as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his 
> opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed 
> enough…But what about this new situation?
> 
> If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am 
> the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this 
> problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user…
> 
> On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked 
> about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new 
> pt-feature became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand 
> everything?
> 
> Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to 
> create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)).
> 
> This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of 
> all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can 
> excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I 
> really would like to!
> 
>   Vincenzo.
> 
> Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto:
> 
>> How do we even make an online patition?  I'd not know where to start.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: CHUCK REICHEL
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
>> 
>> I'll sign it! :)
>> The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
>> BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the 
>> smoke clears! 
>> 
>> CHUCK REICHEL
>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
>> In GOD I Trust
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working very 
>>> heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you 
>>> for that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really 
>>> genuinely mean it.
>>> 
>>> I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get 
>>> enough sigs?
>>> 
>>> BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted my 
>>> M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I 
>>> called them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 
>>> license which we can sell you.
>>> 
>>> I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus 
>>> spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I am on 10 and have installed all updates that have come out and 
have been able to do things like add reverb to tracks as well as change 
the settings for the plugins like the wet and dry settings.  I am also 
able to use the presets in the reverb plugins and so am not totally sure 
what plugins are having these accessibility issues.  I really think we 
should write avid about these issues as if we don't make them aware of 
them they might break them even more.  If they are doing any demos of 
products near where you live I think you should go to the demos and talk 
to them about the accessibility issues as if we can show them in person 
what issues we have they will probably will understand better about the 
accessibility and get it fixed.  As voiceover is built into the mac I 
see no real excuse as to why accessibility should be ignored at this 
point.  Nick Gawronski


On 6/4/2012 9:11 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I just hope that Sweetwater will be willing to refund me, seeing that I
am on the 3 easy payments.

I do have a 10.0 dvd that I downloaded from the tiral. Didn't really
play much with it but would my Ilok assett work with it as well as 10.2?
Do you think Sweetwater could instead of upgrading me to 10.0, just
upgrade me to full fledged 9.0.5? I really don't wanna be tied to m
powered.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Kevin Reeves" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X.
We've all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite
sure what to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not
upgrading to 10 yet. Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half
of the plug-ins didn't work that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with
nine.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
 wrote:


OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally!
profusely stupid, or something...

I! just upgraded to PT 10.2. This isn't M P like i had before. This is
the full PT 10.2 standard.

I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do
not read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus
in hardly any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse
pointer, then actually not jsut vo+space, but full on click with
vo+shift+space. Then, I can't reach any of the perametors to make fine
tuned ajustments, rather than helping my vocals, it made them sound
God aweful right out of the box, as it literally cut automatically so
much of the low end that not only did it just naturally with no
processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that now my vocals
are ear bleeding piercing! I thought with the e q 3/7 band plugin, I
could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope? I can't
get to a single one of the controls in the plugin. If I press vo+space
on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close. Instead it just shits
there and does nothing. Routing the mouse pointer then doing
vo+shift+space isn't working either. If I hit command W, it closes the
window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of
closing the plugin. Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any
selected tracks isn't working. Within a plugin the plugin combo box
window is reported the incorrect plugin that is loaded. It's saying
something about plugin package A A something or another native. The
truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 band e Q window up instead.

What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off
something fierce!

Lookat: I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.
I can't do anything! They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they
use isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.
Yeah? Of course! I restarted Voiceover. many? Many! times. It did no
good.

I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.

I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.

What! on earth!

If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to
Sonar! LOL! This is ridiculous!
Chris.

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I second your thoughts here.

I think before I completely say nothing's being done, it doesn't seem to appear 
that way, I'll gladly admit, but who knows.  I'm not an Avid engineer.  O? K, 
you'd think they would have tested this more thoroughly in our defense, but...

Yeah, I think you get the point.

I so would like to hear Slau's opinion on the new 10.2's accessibility, and 
moving forward what we're hoping to do to get to the bottom of this.

I did speak to Christopher Geissler over at Sweetwater, and he was very prompt 
at getting right on things.  He got a few e-mails shot off to some of the real 
high up guys in Avid, apparently, plus, he said there is a guy who works at 
Avid who's in the SW building about 3 days every week, so he said he'd sit down 
today over lunch with the guy and discuss my situation, and see what could be 
done.

In Mr. Geissler's defense, I think he's doing an absolutely fabulous job at 
taking ownership of this case to the best of his ability.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Vincenzo Rubano 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:53 AM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  Hi all,


  ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas 
before start this important petition…


  I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him 
as the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his 
opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed 
enough…But what about this new situation?


  If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am 
the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this 
problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user…


  On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked 
about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature 
became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything?


  Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to 
create the petition (I already have an idea! ;)).


  This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of 
all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can 
excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I 
really would like to!


Vincenzo.


  Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto:


How do we even make an online patition?  I'd not know where to start.

Chris.

  - Original Message -
  From: CHUCK REICHEL
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  I'll sign it! :)
  The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
  BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the 
smoke clears! 


  CHUCK REICHEL
  soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
  www.SoundPictureRecording.com
  In GOD I Trust


  On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working 
very heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you 
for that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely 
mean it.

I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we 
get enough sigs?

BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted 
my M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I 
called them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 
license which we can sell you.

I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point 
plus spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I 
put forth to get PT in the first place.  I don't think my church would be very 
happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my 
ProTools to start with, if they found out about this.  If anyone has mp 9.05 
and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've 
upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me 
know.  I may wind up having no choice.

I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there 
are some noticeable problems.  Not many, but just enough for me to be deal 
breakers.  Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram 
than mp9.  Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade?  I barely could 
afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let 
alone, that.

I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to 
compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now!

Chris.

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Vincenzo Rubano]

Hi all,

ok, this is just an idea, maybe we should consider all advices/opinions/ideas 
before start this important petition…

I would be really interested in Slau's opinion, because we can consider him as 
the most experienced person in having relationships with Avid; I read his 
opinion about accessibility development in pt some weeks ago and I agreed 
enough…But what about this new situation?

If things are really as they seems to be (I trust everyone, but I think I am 
the least-experienced pt user and I cannot give good advices about this 
problem) this is really a nightmare for every blind protools user…

On the other hand, however, I have to say that 2 or 3 days ago Chuck talked 
about some midi-features that he uses with protools…So is this a new pt-feature 
became accessible in PT 10? Or what else? Or did I misunderstand everything?

Let's consider much more ideas first, after that we could decide how to create 
the petition (I already have an idea! ;)).

This is just my advice, I hope it was clear and understandable and, most of 
all, I hope this message isn't offensive to anyone; if it is I hope you can 
excuse me…My English isn't so good and sometimes I am not able to say what I 
really would like to!

  Vincenzo.

Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 15:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland ha scritto:

> How do we even make an online patition?  I'd not know where to start.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: CHUCK REICHEL
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM
> Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!
> 
> I'll sign it! :)
> The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
> BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke 
> clears! 
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com
> In GOD I Trust
> 
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working very 
>> heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you 
>> for that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really 
>> genuinely mean it.
>> 
>> I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get 
>> enough sigs?
>> 
>> BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted my 
>> M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I 
>> called them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 
>> license which we can sell you.
>> 
>> I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus 
>> spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I 
>> put forth to get PT in the first place.  I don't think my church would be 
>> very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and 
>> my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this.  If anyone has mp 
>> 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've 
>> upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let 
>> me know.  I may wind up having no choice.
>> 
>> I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are 
>> some noticeable problems.  Not many, but just enough for me to be deal 
>> breakers.  Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram 
>> than mp9.  Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade?  I barely 
>> could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, 
>> let alone, that.
>> 
>> I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to 
>> compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
> 
> 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

How do we even make an online patition?  I'd not know where to start.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: CHUCK REICHEL 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!


  I'll sign it! :)
  The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
  BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke 
clears! 


  CHUCK REICHEL
  soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
  www.SoundPictureRecording.com
  In GOD I Trust


  On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working very 
heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you for 
that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely 
mean it.

I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get 
enough sigs?

BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted my 
M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I called 
them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license which 
we can sell you.

I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus 
spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I put 
forth to get PT in the first place.  I don't think my church would be very 
happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and my 
ProTools to start with, if they found out about this.  If anyone has mp 9.05 
and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've 
upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let me 
know.  I may wind up having no choice.

I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are 
some noticeable problems.  Not many, but just enough for me to be deal 
breakers.  Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram 
than mp9.  Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade?  I barely could 
afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let 
alone, that.

I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to 
compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now!

Chris.

Re: Controlling plugin parameters with a control surgace

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jon,
I use a control surface every day!
Just stay with the default map!
Contact me off list if you need some of the common maps? :)


CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
www.SoundPictureRecording.com
In GOD I Trust

On Jun 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Jon Solitro wrote:

> Does anyone use a control surface to control plugin parameters? If so, do you 
> just have to use the default map or have you found a way to program a custom 
> map?

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[CHUCK REICHEL]

I'll sign it! :)
The squeaky wheel gets the grease! ;)
BTW I'm on PT version 9.3 with Snow leopard and staying there until the smoke 
clears! 

CHUCK REICHEL
soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com
www.SoundPictureRecording.com
In GOD I Trust

On Jun 5, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working very 
> heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you for 
> that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really genuinely 
> mean it.
> 
> I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get 
> enough sigs?
> 
> BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted my 
> M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I called 
> them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 license 
> which we can sell you.
> 
> I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus 
> spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I 
> put forth to get PT in the first place.  I don't think my church would be 
> very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and 
> my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this.  If anyone has mp 
> 9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've 
> upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let 
> me know.  I may wind up having no choice.
> 
> I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are some 
> noticeable problems.  Not many, but just enough for me to be deal breakers.  
> Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram than mp9.  
> Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade?  I barely could afford 
> the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, let alone, 
> that.
> 
> I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to 
> compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now!
> 
> Chris.
> 

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I totally agree!  Slau?  What is your advice seeing you are working very 
heavily, apparently with them on accessibility issues.  Oh, and thank you 
for that by the way.  NO seriously, I'm not being sarcastic, I really 
genuinely mean it.


I'd be happy to start the petition, but where then do I take it when we get 
enough sigs?


BTW, would you also believe I can't even go back to mp9.  I forfitted my 
M-Powered 9 ilok license when I got pt 10.  Avid refuse to help when I 
called them.  All they gave me was get another ILok, and get another mp9 
license which we can sell you.


I wanted to say every word in the english book to them at that point plus 
spit in their face!  How dare! they say that to me, after all the effort I 
put forth to get PT in the first place.  I don't think my church would be 
very happy at all seeing they're the ones who paid for both my macbook, and 
my ProTools to start with, if they found out about this.  If anyone has mp 
9.05 and isn't using it, and is willing to transfer their asset, as they've 
upgraded, may I add, with another iloc so as not to lose the 9.0 asset, let 
me know.  I may wind up having no choice.


I'm warning you all now: 10.0 still works to a point, although there are 
some noticeable problems.  Not many, but just enough for me to be deal 
breakers.  Speaking a which, no one ever told me that PT 10.2 took more ram 
than mp9.  Seeing I only got 2GB, and cannot afford to upgrade?  I barely 
could afford the 3 easy payments through Sweet Water to Crossgrade to PT 10, 
let alone, that.


I just hope my agent there can think of something to do in order to 
compensate for my loss, as I'm one angry! son of a gun right about now!


Chris.

Re: I am not! happy! PT 10.2 Accessibility is broken badly!

[Vincenzo Rubano]

Hi all,

I think this situation is really dangerous for accessibility in protools!

Maybe a petition to report at Avid the problem with this new plugin format and 
to remember them they still need to do more for full accessibility in protools 
could be a not-so-bad idea…

Just my thought, as a blind not using protools yet, but interested in doing it 
in the next future...

Vincenzo.

Il giorno 05/giu/2012, alle ore 03:56, Kevin Reeves ha scritto:

> The problem is, avid moves to a proprietary plug-in format called AA X. We've 
> all noticed that these AA X plug-ins are now broken. I'm not quite sure what 
> to do about this, but that is the reason that I'm not upgrading to 10 yet. 
> Because I had a demo of 10, and noticed that half of the plug-ins didn't work 
> that were a a x Hence why I'm sticking with nine.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 9:08 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, either I am doing something royally wrong, I'm just totally! profusely 
>> stupid, or something...
>> 
>> I! just upgraded to PT 10.2.  This isn't M P like i had before.  This is the 
>> full PT 10.2 standard.
>> 
>> I'm finding that over half the plugins that natively come with PT do not 
>> read any longer hardly at all, I can't click the librarian menus in hardly 
>> any of the plugins, unless I literally route my mouse pointer, then actually 
>> not jsut vo+space, but full on click with vo+shift+space.  Then, I can't 
>> reach any of the perametors to make fine tuned ajustments, rather than 
>> helping my vocals, it made them sound God aweful right out of the box, as it 
>> literally cut automatically so much of the low end that not only did it just 
>> naturally with no processing cut all the mud out, it cut so! much out that 
>> now my vocals are ear bleeding piercing!  I thought with the e q 3/7 band 
>> plugin, I could maybe notch up the lows around 200hz a bit, but nope?  I 
>> can't get to a single one of the controls in the plugin.  If I press 
>> vo+space on a plugin window, it doesn't seem to close.  Instead it just 
>> shits there and does nothing.  Routing the mouse pointer then doing 
>> vo+shift+space isn't working either.  If I hit command W, it closes the 
>> window behind it, which generally is the mix window, instead of closing the 
>> plugin.  Pressing shift+R, shift+S, or shift+M on any selected tracks isn't 
>> working.  Within a plugin the plugin combo box window is reported the 
>> incorrect plugin that is loaded.  It's saying something about plugin package 
>> A A something or another native.  The truth! is I actually! have the 3/7 
>> band e Q window up instead.
>> 
>> What the hell! is the deal! This R'r'r'r'really! pisses me off something 
>> fierce!
>> 
>> Lookat:  I got a band coming to do a real late night recording session.  I 
>> can't do anything!  They refuse to use p t 9 as some of the gear they use 
>> isn't compatible with my old m p 9 so I can't just reinstall that.  Yeah? Of 
>> course! I restarted Voiceover.  many? Many! times.  It did no good.
>> 
>> I even restarted my whole macbook, with no help.
>> 
>> I'm on 10.7.4 Lion.
>> 
>> What! on earth!
>> 
>> If this is how pt's gonna become and evolve to, then I"m gowen back to 
>> Sonar!  LOL!  This is ridiculous!
>> Chris.