Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

[Phil Muir]

Sonar 8.5.3 is the last version of Sonar to work with JSonar and Cake Talking.

On 2 June 2016 21:34:51 BST, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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>OK, what would be the most recent version of Sonar which *would!* be 
>compatible with JSonar?  Just am curious.
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>Subject: RE: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News
>
>
>> No the current version of Sonar is not accessible on Windows with 
>> anything.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On
>
>> Behalf
>> Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
>> Sent: 02 June 2016 20:23
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News
>>
>> So, I guess right now, there is no way to register as one of the
>alpha
>> users?  I clicked the first link in your message, but it looks like
>that's
>> just a blog post about the alpha coming.
>>
>> Speaking of which, does the latest version of Sonar for Windows work
>with
>> JSonar, or would I be required to get Sonar Talking.
>>
>> I probably could afford Sonar by itself, but I'm not sure I could
>afford
>> both right now.
>>
>> Chris.
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>> - Original Message - 
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>> To: 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News
>>
>>
>>> Exclusive: Sonar comes to Mac! Free alpha test starts Fall.
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>>>
>>> so, get in on the alfa phase and provide accessibility feedback!
>>>
>>>
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Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, what would be the most recent version of Sonar which *would!* be 
compatible with JSonar?  Just am curious.

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From: "Phil Muir" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News


No the current version of Sonar is not accessible on Windows with 
anything.


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Subject: Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

So, I guess right now, there is no way to register as one of the alpha
users?  I clicked the first link in your message, but it looks like that's
just a blog post about the alpha coming.

Speaking of which, does the latest version of Sonar for Windows work with
JSonar, or would I be required to get Sonar Talking.

I probably could afford Sonar by itself, but I'm not sure I could afford
both right now.

Chris.

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Subject: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News



Exclusive: Sonar comes to Mac! Free alpha test starts Fall.
We interview @CakewalkInc's CTO.
http://sosm.ag/25AKn6w

so, get in on the alfa phase and provide accessibility feedback!


Chris


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RE: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

[Phil Muir]

No the current version of Sonar is not accessible on Windows with anything.

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Subject: Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

So, I guess right now, there is no way to register as one of the alpha 
users?  I clicked the first link in your message, but it looks like that's 
just a blog post about the alpha coming.

Speaking of which, does the latest version of Sonar for Windows work with 
JSonar, or would I be required to get Sonar Talking.

I probably could afford Sonar by itself, but I'm not sure I could afford 
both right now.

Chris.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News


> Exclusive: Sonar comes to Mac! Free alpha test starts Fall.
> We interview @CakewalkInc's CTO.
> http://sosm.ag/25AKn6w
>
> so, get in on the alfa phase and provide accessibility feedback!
>
>
> Chris
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Re: Deleting types of midi events.

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Jason,

Yep, that should do it. I'd click on one event first and then hit Command-a. 
Let me know if that works for you.

Cheers,

Slau

On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Jason Dasent  wrote:

> Hi Slau, thanks for your reply. Do I hit command  a while in the midi event 
> view to Sillect all?
> 
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> On 2 Jun 2016, at 9:59 AM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>> In the MIDI Event List window, filter the view to only see the Parameters 
>> you wish to see in the list, select all and either hit Delete or Cut.
>> HTH,
>> Slau
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:49 AM, studiojay  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, Can some one please tell me how to select a certain type of 
>>> midi event for example all modulation or sustain messages for the duration 
>>> of the session and delete them? Thanks in advance for any help. Jason
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Re: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, I guess right now, there is no way to register as one of the alpha 
users?  I clicked the first link in your message, but it looks like that's 
just a blog post about the alpha coming.


Speaking of which, does the latest version of Sonar for Windows work with 
JSonar, or would I be required to get Sonar Talking.


I probably could afford Sonar by itself, but I'm not sure I could afford 
both right now.


Chris.

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- Original Message - 
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To: 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Hmmm Interesting Sonar News



Exclusive: Sonar comes to Mac! Free alpha test starts Fall.
We interview @CakewalkInc's CTO.
http://sosm.ag/25AKn6w

so, get in on the alfa phase and provide accessibility feedback!


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Re: Option click

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Um, when did he say anything about Logic?  LOL!
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  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: Option click


  Are we sure logic supports option click? I know in pro tools and other apps 
it's done that way. You select all the tracks and then hold down option and 
click on the perimeter you want to apply to all the tracks with a 
mouse/trackpad etc. 

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:


Hi All,



I think it should be possible to set parameters for many tracks at once 
using option click, but how is it done?   For example, I want to set automation 
to ‘touch’ or ‘read’, not just for the current track, but for all tracks at 
once.  I’m sure somebody mentioned option-click for this, but I’ve tried any 
number of combinations, including an actual mouse-click with option held down, 
and it’s not worked yet.  So, what is the actual procedure for doing the 
option-click?



Best,



Peter




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Re: Deleting types of midi events.

[Jason Dasent]

Hi Slau, thanks for your reply. Do I hit command  a while in the midi event 
view to Sillect all?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Jun 2016, at 9:59 AM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason,
> 
> In the MIDI Event List window, filter the view to only see the Parameters you 
> wish to see in the list, select all and either hit Delete or Cut.
> HTH,
> Slau
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:49 AM, studiojay  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, Can some one please tell me how to select a certain type of 
>> midi event for example all modulation or sustain messages for the duration 
>> of the session and delete them? Thanks in advance for any help. Jason
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Re: Deleting types of midi events.

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Jason,

In the MIDI Event List window, filter the view to only see the Parameters you 
wish to see in the list, select all and either hit Delete or Cut.
HTH,
Slau

On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:49 AM, studiojay  wrote:

> Hi everyone, Can some one please tell me how to select a certain type of midi 
> event for example all modulation or sustain messages for the duration of the 
> session and delete them? Thanks in advance for any help. Jason
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Re: Productivity tips?

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Peter,

Glad to hear of your progress. Until someone manages to write some kind of 
scripts like JAWS had for Sonar, the use of Pro Tools will never have the same 
type of accessibility as Sonar with scripts. There's a give and take, of 
course. Pro Tools is accessible out of the box with no need for anything else, 
no scripts that break when a new update or version comes out. Sonar was 
apparently painstakingly slow at creating a slew of tracks and naming them 
quickly which is a cinch in Pro Tools. Nothing compares with the speed of 
editing in Pro Tools. But when it comes to figuring out which tracks are record 
enabled, it's not possible in PT to simply query with a keystroke. Workflow is 
a personal and perhaps quirky thing. I don't judge how other people decide to 
work but there are many options. For example, if I want to record enable the 
third and ninth track within a session, having a control surface, I simply 
press the third and ninth record buttons. Once I've done that, there's no 
question which tracks are record-enabled. For the duration of the recording, 
there will be no reason for me to query anything because I chose to record 
enable the third and ninth tracks. To further simplify things, as always, it 
helps, but it's not necessary, to hide tracks which are not being used or do 
not need to be up front and visible. In this case, I can hide all but the third 
and ninth tracks. Since tracks that are hidden cannot be in record mode, it 
greatly decreases the range of possibilities and one has only two tracks to 
deal with in the Mix or Edit windows.

Let's say you were dealing with twelve drum tracks. It's easy to group the drum 
tracks, hide all other tracks and, while selected, pressing Shift-r will 
record-enable the selected tracks. The same Shift-modified shortcuts work for 
mute and solo. There's no need to query which tracks are record-enabled 
because, if the tracks are selected and one track is enabled, they're all 
enabled and, if you're getting signal through one track, you're getting signal 
through them all.

Bringing up the Item Chooser in the Mix window and typing r e c will display 
the record buttons currently visible in the Mix window. Arrowing down the list, 
one can determine the status of the record buttons quickly. One can even rename 
the buttons to reflect which tracks they belong to. While this tends to work, 
it's not persistent between sessions because, of course, every session is a new 
file but, if you use templates, I believe it's possible to name the buttons and 
this will propagate to subsequent session files that are created from the 
template. This is theoretical and I know it works to some degree but I don't 
use that workflow myself.

An Avid control surface is a large part of the efficiency for using Pro tools 
with VoiceOver. While it's possible to use Pro Tools without a surface, I'd 
never consider doing that long-term. I sympathize with the notion of going from 
something that was more familiar and worked quickly and easily to something 
that is quite different. with analog multitracks, it was easy to tactually  
feel which record buttons were flipped up in record mode. Those were the days, 
of course. What can one do? :)

I find that I'm regularly discovering little ways of being more efficient, even 
after years of using Pro Tools. Again, what works for some, might not work as 
well for others so it's difficult to predict what might be good advice or 
confusing information. Just like anything else, I suppose, the more you use it, 
the more you'll find your path.

Cheers,

Slau

On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:

> Hi All,
>  
> After using PT in earnest for a couple of months, I’m now reasonably 
> confident with basic editing and mixing, including things like inserts and 
> sends and using some plug-ins, but I still find it way, way slower than using 
> Sonar with Caketalking, and I’m wondering whether anyone has some tips to 
> speed things up.
>  
> For example, if I want to know whether track 7 is muted, or check which 
> tracks are currently armed, or the volume setting for track 12, or any number 
> of things like this, I can do it with a couple of keystrokes in Sonar, 
> whereas in PT, even using VO hotspots, It still seems to require quite a lot 
> of VO cursoring around.
>  
> I’ve seen references to Keyboard Maestro.  Would that help with this kind of 
> thing?  Could anyone give a few examples of tips and tricks you use to speed 
> things up?
>  
> Best,
>  
> Peter
>  
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Re: Option click

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Peter,

Modified clicks are not supported with VoiceOver so, the only way you can do a 
modified click is with a mouse or, preferably, a track pad. Make sure the mouse 
pointer is on the UI element, hold down the modifier and click. Option-clicking 
applies the change to all  controls of the same type in all tracks. 
Shift-Option-clicking applies the change to all selected tracks. As always, 
make sure the tracks are truly visible and not off to the side of the Mix or 
Edit window and also make sure there are no other windows like plug-ins or 
system dialogs open. Once you get used to doing this, you'll be diligent about 
keeping track of which windows are open or at least checking in case a modified 
click doesn't seem to work.

Cheers,

Slau

On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:

> Hi All,
>  
> I think it should be possible to set parameters for many tracks at once using 
> option click, but how is it done?   For example, I want to set automation to 
> ‘touch’ or ‘read’, not just for the current track, but for all tracks at 
> once.  I’m sure somebody mentioned option-click for this, but I’ve tried any 
> number of combinations, including an actual mouse-click with option held 
> down, and it’s not worked yet.  So, what is the actual procedure for doing 
> the option-click?
>  
> Best,
>  
> Peter
>  
> 
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Re: Productivity tips?

[Phil Muir]

Hey Peter.  Like you I too work on Windows and Mac and have dug into Pro Tools 
a bit.  For sure using PT is significanly slower than the other solutions that 
you have described.  You can speed things up a bit by using a control surface 
but personally still think it's a slower way of working.  Having said that 
absolutly not knocking anyone who has gone the PT route and love the fact that 
we have so many options available now for us.  Speaking of which, if you work 
on Windows then another good option that is about to become available is Magix 
Samplitude Pro X2 and Samplitude Pro X2 Suite.  Also on the Mac side we have 
Cakewalk Sonar about to go into alpha testing so there's another potential 
option for us.

On 2 June 2016 13:46:40 BST, Peter Bosher  wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>After using PT in earnest for a couple of months, I'm now reasonably
>confident with basic editing and mixing, including things like inserts
>and sends and using some plug-ins, but I still find it way, way slower
>than using Sonar with Caketalking, and I'm wondering whether anyone has
>some tips to speed things up.
>
>For example, if I want to know whether track 7 is muted, or check which
>tracks are currently armed, or the volume setting for track 12, or any
>number of things like this, I can do it with a couple of keystrokes in
>Sonar, whereas in PT, even using VO hotspots, It still seems to require
>quite a lot of VO cursoring around.
>
>I've seen references to Keyboard Maestro.  Would that help with this
>kind of thing?  Could anyone give a few examples of tips and tricks you
>use to speed things up?
>
>Best,
>
>Peter
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Deleting types of midi events.

[studiojay]

Hi everyone, Can some one please tell me how to select a certain type of 
midi event for example all modulation or sustain messages for the duration 
of the session and delete them? Thanks in advance for any help. Jason

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Re: Option click

[Steve Martin]

Are we sure logic supports option click? I know in pro tools and other apps 
it's done that way. You select all the tracks and then hold down option and 
click on the perimeter you want to apply to all the tracks with a 
mouse/trackpad etc. 

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> On Jun 2, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Peter Bosher  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I think it should be possible to set parameters for many tracks at once using 
> option click, but how is it done?   For example, I want to set automation to 
> ‘touch’ or ‘read’, not just for the current track, but for all tracks at 
> once.  I’m sure somebody mentioned option-click for this, but I’ve tried any 
> number of combinations, including an actual mouse-click with option held 
> down, and it’s not worked yet.  So, what is the actual procedure for doing 
> the option-click?
>  
> Best,
>  
> Peter
>  
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Option click

[Peter Bosher]

Hi All,

I think it should be possible to set parameters for many tracks at once using 
option click, but how is it done?   For example, I want to set automation to 
'touch' or 'read', not just for the current track, but for all tracks at once.  
I'm sure somebody mentioned option-click for this, but I've tried any number of 
combinations, including an actual mouse-click with option held down, and it's 
not worked yet.  So, what is the actual procedure for doing the option-click?

Best,

Peter

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Productivity tips?

[Peter Bosher]

Hi All,

After using PT in earnest for a couple of months, I'm now reasonably confident 
with basic editing and mixing, including things like inserts and sends and 
using some plug-ins, but I still find it way, way slower than using Sonar with 
Caketalking, and I'm wondering whether anyone has some tips to speed things up.

For example, if I want to know whether track 7 is muted, or check which tracks 
are currently armed, or the volume setting for track 12, or any number of 
things like this, I can do it with a couple of keystrokes in Sonar, whereas in 
PT, even using VO hotspots, It still seems to require quite a lot of VO 
cursoring around.

I've seen references to Keyboard Maestro.  Would that help with this kind of 
thing?  Could anyone give a few examples of tips and tricks you use to speed 
things up?

Best,

Peter

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