date:20170617

Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Chris Smart

I find companies respond very quickly to tweets. Perhaps contact them on 
Twitter and move it to DM, and ask for a contact person to email directly? 



Sent from Chris's iPhone.


> On Jun 17, 2017, at 02:53, Phil Muir  wrote:
> 
> Maybe we should start talking to them on Twitter.  Worth a try.
>  
> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
> Sent: 17 June 2017 10:50
> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?
>  
> Phil, I'd like to get involved as well. I've sent them quite a number of 
> males regarding RX five and six. Is there anything more I can do?
> 
> Best,
> 
> JPR
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.jprykiel.com
> http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
> http://twitter.com/ryksounet
> http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>> Le 17/06/2017 à 11:47, Phil Muir a écrit :
>> In the case of iZotope I got together with Chris Smart and wrote them a 
>> letter explaining why they may wish to make products accessible.  They were 
>> very open to the idea and we managed to get a number of visually impaired 
>> testers on to the beta program.  Unfortunately they have had some internal 
>> restructuring done and the person who would have been able to restart the 
>> beta doesn’t have the power to do that.  I am still in talks with iZotope 
>> about resurrecting this beta program because I think it’s needed both on 
>> Windows and Mac and a number of you have been in touch with me expressing an 
>> interest in getting involved.
>>  
>> From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
>> Sent: 17 June 2017 00:02
>> To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?
>>  
>> Slau. that sounds very discouraging doesn't it?
>> 
>> Let me ask you, What motivated Avid to work on ProTools accessibility? I 
>> suppose they started by Giving you all this market share blah blah, but 
>> then, what made them change their minds?
>> 
>> Even smaller companies like Izotope made some of their products accessible 
>> like Rx, even though Rx accessibility is declining with newer versions, but 
>> it seems they were Concerned with accessibility, at least temporarily. I 
>> wonder why. Did the boss Have a blind friend or family member? It would be 
>> interesting to know what motivates people to do unprofitable things.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> JPR
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://www.jprykiel.com
>> http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
>> http://twitter.com/ryksounet
>> http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>> Le 16/06/2017 à 19:53, Slau Halatyn a écrit :
>>> The subject of accessibility as it relates to the JUCE platform has been 
>>> discussed on the JUCE forum. One of the guys from Sound Radix posted 
>>> earlier this year on a few key points:
>>> https://forum.juce.com/t/accessibility-for-blind-people-using-voiceover/21040
>>>  
>>> As far as Avid is concerned, there is no financial consideration, per se, 
>>> but there most certainly was a point when I had suggested crowd funding. 
>>> There's no question that, in the long run, having the company make it part 
>>> of their standard workflow is the way to go. Of course, you can't compare 
>>> Avid to an open-source company so it's quite different. Further, most 
>>> developers are one-man operations and will definitely shy away from that 
>>> kind of financial hit. In my opinion, it simply won't happen. If JUCE 
>>> developers follow the practices set forth by Sound Radix, we're in good 
>>> shape across dAW platforms. The remaining issue would be the presets 
>>> problem and that is currently being looked at by several companies 
>>> including Avid. The idea would be to create an industry-standard format 
>>> that could be read by any dAW on any platform. It was raised earlier this 
>>> year by a developer and, coincidentally, by one of the biggest software 
>>> developers in the industry and Avid, along with others, has signed on to 
>>> try and make it happen.
>>>  
>>> BTW, the whole iLok thing had nothing to do with JUCE but QT. Regardless, 
>>> the best solutions will have to address all platforms.
>>>  
>>> Slau
>>>  
 On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Phil Muir  
 wrote:
  
 JPR.  Juce can already be made to be somewhat accessible.  You just need to
 know how to do that.  For instance.  The Ilok Licence manager on Windows 
 and
 Mac is somewhat accessible on both platforms.  I think Slau may have had
 discussions with Pace on the Ilok application.  No reason why that same
 accessibility couldn't be ported to other apps.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
 Sent: 16 June 2017 16:23
 To: viplist; ptaccess@googlegroups.com; 
 logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Juce

FS:ProTools 12.6 and upgraded iMac...

2017-06-17 Thread Cameron Strife

Hi everyone. If interested, please write me off list at:
came...@cameronstrife.com

I'm selling my permanent license for pro tools 12.6 as well as a
loaded iMac with ssd, I7 quad core processor, thunderbolt etc.

I'm looking to go with a more portable setup. I have other gear for
sale as well. Please inquire for a full list.

Thanks,

Cameron.

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Re: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

2017-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Nick,

I've never actually called them, so I'm not totally sure. I do apologize.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nick Gawronski 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com ; Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with 
the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location


  Hi, I will contact Avid support on this issue.  When contacting support they 
want some type of support code and I know mine is expired.  Is there an email 
address I can write to or a way I can contact a human rather then a recording 
that won't let me get to someone to talk to unless I enter a valid code when I 
call support?  Nick Gawronski




  On 6/17/2017 5:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Well, and too, like I said, it goes back to what I initially said about the 
license agreement terms.
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Muir 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:38 AM
  Subject: RE: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along 
with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location


  Rather than putting those installers in the folders you would be better to
  maybe put them somewhere on your own dropbox then post a link to those 
files
  as those take up quite a lot of space.  Or you could contact Avid 
technical
  support who no doubt would sort you out with direct links to the files.

  -Original Message-
  From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf
  Of Nick Gawronski
  Sent: 17 June 2017 00:27
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with 
the
  avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

  Hi, I was trying to redownload Pro Tools 12 as I had to reinstall my mac 
  and as usual as I had bought the student teacher version of Pro Tools 12 
  I was not able to locate the downloads as in the my products section I 
  only see Pro Tools 11 when I had Pro Tools 12 installed before.  If 
  possible could someone please place the Pro Tools 12 installer along 
  with the other Avid plugins for ease of use into the ptaccess dropbox 
  folder?  I have tried on both windows 10 pro 64 bits along with a mac to 
  get access to my downloads in my Avid account and am unable to do so 
  because of the web sites not very good accessibility.  I am not sure if 
  this has anything to do with the student teacher version but I do think 
  this needs to be brought to Avid's attention.  Nick Gawronski

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Re: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

2017-06-17 Thread Nick Gawronski

Hi, I will contact Avid support on this issue.  When contacting support 
they want some type of support code and I know mine is expired.  Is 
there an email address I can write to or a way I can contact a human 
rather then a recording that won't let me get to someone to talk to 
unless I enter a valid code when I call support?  Nick Gawronski



On 6/17/2017 5:10 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Well, and too, like I said, it goes back to what I initially said 
about the license agreement terms.

---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

- Original Message -
*From:* Phil Muir 
*To:* ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:38 AM
*Subject:* RE: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the
mac along with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder
for ease of location

Rather than putting those installers in the folders you would be
better to
maybe put them somewhere on your own dropbox then post a link to
those files
as those take up quite a lot of space.  Or you could contact Avid
technical
support who no doubt would sort you out with direct links to the
files.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nick Gawronski
Sent: 17 June 2017 00:27
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
Subject: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac
along with the
avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

Hi, I was trying to redownload Pro Tools 12 as I had to reinstall
my mac
and as usual as I had bought the student teacher version of Pro
Tools 12
I was not able to locate the downloads as in the my products
section I
only see Pro Tools 11 when I had Pro Tools 12 installed before. If
possible could someone please place the Pro Tools 12 installer along
with the other Avid plugins for ease of use into the ptaccess dropbox
folder?  I have tried on both windows 10 pro 64 bits along with a
mac to
get access to my downloads in my Avid account and am unable to do so
because of the web sites not very good accessibility.  I am not
sure if
this has anything to do with the student teacher version but I do
think
this needs to be brought to Avid's attention.  Nick Gawronski

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Re: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

2017-06-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Well, and too, like I said, it goes back to what I initially said about the 
license agreement terms.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Muir 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:38 AM
  Subject: RE: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with 
the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location


  Rather than putting those installers in the folders you would be better to
  maybe put them somewhere on your own dropbox then post a link to those files
  as those take up quite a lot of space.  Or you could contact Avid technical
  support who no doubt would sort you out with direct links to the files.

  -Original Message-
  From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
  Of Nick Gawronski
  Sent: 17 June 2017 00:27
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
  Subject: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the
  avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

  Hi, I was trying to redownload Pro Tools 12 as I had to reinstall my mac 
  and as usual as I had bought the student teacher version of Pro Tools 12 
  I was not able to locate the downloads as in the my products section I 
  only see Pro Tools 11 when I had Pro Tools 12 installed before.  If 
  possible could someone please place the Pro Tools 12 installer along 
  with the other Avid plugins for ease of use into the ptaccess dropbox 
  folder?  I have tried on both windows 10 pro 64 bits along with a mac to 
  get access to my downloads in my Avid account and am unable to do so 
  because of the web sites not very good accessibility.  I am not sure if 
  this has anything to do with the student teacher version but I do think 
  this needs to be brought to Avid's attention.  Nick Gawronski

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RE: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Phil Muir

Maybe we should start talking to them on Twitter.  Worth a try.

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 17 June 2017 10:50
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Phil, I'd like to get involved as well. I've sent them quite a number of
males regarding RX five and six. Is there anything more I can do?

Best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 17/06/2017 à 11:47, Phil Muir a écrit :

In the case of iZotope I got together with Chris Smart and wrote them a
letter explaining why they may wish to make products accessible.  They were
very open to the idea and we managed to get a number of visually impaired
testers on to the beta program.  Unfortunately they have had some internal
restructuring done and the person who would have been able to restart the
beta doesn’t have the power to do that.  I am still in talks with iZotope
about resurrecting this beta program because I think it’s needed both on
Windows and Mac and a number of you have been in touch with me expressing an
interest in getting involved.

  _  

From:   ptaccess@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 17 June 2017 00:02
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Slau. that sounds very discouraging doesn't it?

Let me ask you, What motivated Avid to work on ProTools accessibility? I
suppose they started by Giving you all this market share blah blah, but
then, what made them change their minds?

Even smaller companies like Izotope made some of their products accessible
like Rx, even though Rx accessibility is declining with newer versions, but
it seems they were Concerned with accessibility, at least temporarily. I
wonder why. Did the boss Have a blind friend or family member? It would be
interesting to know what motivates people to do unprofitable things.

Best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 19:53, Slau Halatyn a écrit :

The subject of accessibility as it relates to the JUCE platform has been
discussed on the JUCE forum. One of the guys from Sound Radix posted earlier
this year on a few key points: 

https://forum.juce.com/t/accessibility-for-blind-people-using-voiceover/2104
0

As far as Avid is concerned, there is no financial consideration, per se,
but there most certainly was a point when I had suggested crowd funding.
There's no question that, in the long run, having the company make it part
of their standard workflow is the way to go. Of course, you can't compare
Avid to an open-source company so it's quite different. Further, most
developers are one-man operations and will definitely shy away from that
kind of financial hit. In my opinion, it simply won't happen. If JUCE
developers follow the practices set forth by Sound Radix, we're in good
shape across dAW platforms. The remaining issue would be the presets problem
and that is currently being looked at by several companies including Avid.
The idea would be to create an industry-standard format that could be read
by any dAW on any platform. It was raised earlier this year by a developer
and, coincidentally, by one of the biggest software developers in the
industry and Avid, along with others, has signed on to try and make it
happen.

BTW, the whole iLok thing had nothing to do with JUCE but QT. Regardless,
the best solutions will have to address all platforms.

Slau

On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Phil Muir 
wrote:

JPR.  Juce can already be made to be somewhat accessible.  You just need to
know how to do that.  For instance.  The Ilok Licence manager on Windows and
Mac is somewhat accessible on both platforms.  I think Slau may have had
discussions with Pace on the Ilok application.  No reason why that same
accessibility couldn't be ported to other apps.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 16 June 2017 16:23
To: viplist; ptaccess@googlegroups.com; logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Dear friends,

this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you don't mind
me posting it to several lists at a time.
Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music applications. It
is already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI,
Korg, Max, SampleModeling...
for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is their
website.

http://juce.com

Juce Provides tools for developers that allows them to build applications
that are compatible with every operating system,

RE: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Phil Muir

JPR.  Not sure.  Shall try asking the guy who set up the original beta again
to see what can be done.  Have been pushing this door for a number of years
and unfortunately not expecting it to open any time soon :-(

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 17 June 2017 10:50
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

 

Phil, I'd like to get involved as well. I've sent them quite a number of
males regarding RX five and six. Is there anything more I can do?

Best,

JPR

 

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 17/06/2017 à 11:47, Phil Muir a écrit :

In the case of iZotope I got together with Chris Smart and wrote them a
letter explaining why they may wish to make products accessible.  They were
very open to the idea and we managed to get a number of visually impaired
testers on to the beta program.  Unfortunately they have had some internal
restructuring done and the person who would have been able to restart the
beta doesn’t have the power to do that.  I am still in talks with iZotope
about resurrecting this beta program because I think it’s needed both on
Windows and Mac and a number of you have been in touch with me expressing an
interest in getting involved.

 


  _  


From:   ptaccess@googlegroups.com
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 17 June 2017 00:02
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

 

Slau. that sounds very discouraging doesn't it?

Let me ask you, What motivated Avid to work on ProTools accessibility? I
suppose they started by Giving you all this market share blah blah, but
then, what made them change their minds?

Even smaller companies like Izotope made some of their products accessible
like Rx, even though Rx accessibility is declining with newer versions, but
it seems they were Concerned with accessibility, at least temporarily. I
wonder why. Did the boss Have a blind friend or family member? It would be
interesting to know what motivates people to do unprofitable things.

Best,

JPR

 

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 19:53, Slau Halatyn a écrit :

The subject of accessibility as it relates to the JUCE platform has been
discussed on the JUCE forum. One of the guys from Sound Radix posted earlier
this year on a few key points: 

https://forum.juce.com/t/accessibility-for-blind-people-using-voiceover/2104
0

 

As far as Avid is concerned, there is no financial consideration, per se,
but there most certainly was a point when I had suggested crowd funding.
There's no question that, in the long run, having the company make it part
of their standard workflow is the way to go. Of course, you can't compare
Avid to an open-source company so it's quite different. Further, most
developers are one-man operations and will definitely shy away from that
kind of financial hit. In my opinion, it simply won't happen. If JUCE
developers follow the practices set forth by Sound Radix, we're in good
shape across dAW platforms. The remaining issue would be the presets problem
and that is currently being looked at by several companies including Avid.
The idea would be to create an industry-standard format that could be read
by any dAW on any platform. It was raised earlier this year by a developer
and, coincidentally, by one of the biggest software developers in the
industry and Avid, along with others, has signed on to try and make it
happen.

 

BTW, the whole iLok thing had nothing to do with JUCE but QT. Regardless,
the best solutions will have to address all platforms.

 

Slau

 

On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Phil Muir 
wrote:

 

JPR.  Juce can already be made to be somewhat accessible.  You just need to
know how to do that.  For instance.  The Ilok Licence manager on Windows and
Mac is somewhat accessible on both platforms.  I think Slau may have had
discussions with Pace on the Ilok application.  No reason why that same
accessibility couldn't be ported to other apps.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 16 June 2017 16:23
To: viplist; ptaccess@googlegroups.com; logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Dear friends,

this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you don't mind
me posting it to several lists at a time.
Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music applications. It
is already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI,
Korg, Max, SampleModeling...
for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is their

Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel

Phil, I'd like to get involved as well. I've sent them quite a number of 
males regarding RX five and six. Is there anything more I can do?


Best,

JPR


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 17/06/2017 à 11:47, Phil Muir a écrit :


In the case of iZotope I got together with Chris Smart and wrote them 
a letter explaining why they may wish to make products accessible. 
 They were very open to the idea and we managed to get a number of 
visually impaired testers on to the beta program.  Unfortunately they 
have had some internal restructuring done and the person who would 
have been able to restart the beta doesn’t have the power to do that. 
 I am still in talks with iZotope about resurrecting this beta program 
because I think it’s needed both on Windows and Mac and a number of 
you have been in touch with me expressing an interest in getting involved.




*From:*ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] 
*On Behalf Of *Jean-Philippe Rykiel

*Sent:* 17 June 2017 00:02
*To:* ptaccess@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Slau. that sounds very discouraging doesn't it?

Let me ask you, What motivated Avid to work on ProTools accessibility? 
I suppose they started by Giving you all this market share blah blah, 
but then, what made them change their minds?


Even smaller companies like Izotope made some of their products 
accessible like Rx, even though Rx accessibility is declining with 
newer versions, but it seems they were Concerned with accessibility, 
at least temporarily. I wonder why. Did the boss Have a blind friend 
or family member? It would be interesting to know what motivates 
people to do unprofitable things.


Best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 19:53, Slau Halatyn a écrit :

The subject of accessibility as it relates to the JUCE platform has 
been discussed on the JUCE forum. One of the guys from Sound Radix 
posted earlier this year on a few key points:


https://forum.juce.com/t/accessibility-for-blind-people-using-voiceover/21040

As far as Avid is concerned, there is no financial consideration, per 
se, but there most certainly was a point when I had suggested crowd 
funding. There's no question that, in the long run, having the 
company make it part of their standard workflow is the way to go. Of 
course, you can't compare Avid to an open-source company so it's 
quite different. Further, most developers are one-man operations and 
will definitely shy away from that kind of financial hit. In my 
opinion, it simply won't happen. If JUCE developers follow the 
practices set forth by Sound Radix, we're in good shape across dAW 
platforms. The remaining issue would be the presets problem and that 
is currently being looked at by several companies including Avid. The 
idea would be to create an industry-standard format that could be 
read by any dAW on any platform. It was raised earlier this year by a 
developer and, coincidentally, by one of the biggest software 
developers in the industry and Avid, along with others, has signed on 
to try and make it happen.


BTW, the whole iLok thing had nothing to do with JUCE but QT. 
Regardless, the best solutions will have to address all platforms.


Slau

On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Phil Muir 
> wrote:


JPR.  Juce can already be made to be somewhat accessible.  You just 
need to
know how to do that.  For instance.  The Ilok Licence manager on 
Windows and

Mac is somewhat accessible on both platforms.  I think Slau may have had
discussions with Pace on the Ilok application.  No reason why that same
accessibility couldn't be ported to other apps.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 16 June 2017 16:23
To: viplist; ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
; 
logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com 


Subject: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Dear friends,

this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you 
don't mind

me posting it to several lists at a time.
Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music 
applications. It

is already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI,
Korg, Max, SampleModeling...
for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is 
their

website.

http://juce.com

Juce Provides tools for developers that allows them to build 
applications

that are compatible with every operating system, Windows, OS X, Linux,
without
having to recode For each System.
This

RE: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Phil Muir

In the case of iZotope I got together with Chris Smart and wrote them a
letter explaining why they may wish to make products accessible.  They were
very open to the idea and we managed to get a number of visually impaired
testers on to the beta program.  Unfortunately they have had some internal
restructuring done and the person who would have been able to restart the
beta doesn’t have the power to do that.  I am still in talks with iZotope
about resurrecting this beta program because I think it’s needed both on
Windows and Mac and a number of you have been in touch with me expressing an
interest in getting involved.

 

  _  

From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 17 June 2017 00:02
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

 

Slau. that sounds very discouraging doesn't it?

Let me ask you, What motivated Avid to work on ProTools accessibility? I
suppose they started by Giving you all this market share blah blah, but
then, what made them change their minds?

Even smaller companies like Izotope made some of their products accessible
like Rx, even though Rx accessibility is declining with newer versions, but
it seems they were Concerned with accessibility, at least temporarily. I
wonder why. Did the boss Have a blind friend or family member? It would be
interesting to know what motivates people to do unprofitable things.

Best,

JPR

 

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 19:53, Slau Halatyn a écrit :

The subject of accessibility as it relates to the JUCE platform has been
discussed on the JUCE forum. One of the guys from Sound Radix posted earlier
this year on a few key points: 

https://forum.juce.com/t/accessibility-for-blind-people-using-voiceover/2104
0

 

As far as Avid is concerned, there is no financial consideration, per se,
but there most certainly was a point when I had suggested crowd funding.
There's no question that, in the long run, having the company make it part
of their standard workflow is the way to go. Of course, you can't compare
Avid to an open-source company so it's quite different. Further, most
developers are one-man operations and will definitely shy away from that
kind of financial hit. In my opinion, it simply won't happen. If JUCE
developers follow the practices set forth by Sound Radix, we're in good
shape across dAW platforms. The remaining issue would be the presets problem
and that is currently being looked at by several companies including Avid.
The idea would be to create an industry-standard format that could be read
by any dAW on any platform. It was raised earlier this year by a developer
and, coincidentally, by one of the biggest software developers in the
industry and Avid, along with others, has signed on to try and make it
happen.

 

BTW, the whole iLok thing had nothing to do with JUCE but QT. Regardless,
the best solutions will have to address all platforms.

 

Slau

 

On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Phil Muir 
wrote:

 

JPR.  Juce can already be made to be somewhat accessible.  You just need to
know how to do that.  For instance.  The Ilok Licence manager on Windows and
Mac is somewhat accessible on both platforms.  I think Slau may have had
discussions with Pace on the Ilok application.  No reason why that same
accessibility couldn't be ported to other apps.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 16 June 2017 16:23
To: viplist; ptaccess@googlegroups.com; logic-accessibil...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Dear friends,

this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you don't mind
me posting it to several lists at a time.
Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music applications. It
is already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI,
Korg, Max, SampleModeling...
for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is their
website.

http://juce.com

Juce Provides tools for developers that allows them to build applications
that are compatible with every operating system, Windows, OS X, Linux,
without
having to recode For each System.
This also means these Developers depend on Juce for things like their
graphic interface.
I just spoke to someone from the Juce support team about our accessibility
issues.
Useless to say that, if Juce  could give its clients an accessibility
module, that would be the end of our problems, And all Plug-ins developed
withJuce  could instantly become
accessible at once. But Such a tool would take about six months and
Approximately $111000 To develop. Who has this money?
Of course, Juce  is not Apple, not eaven Avid, and they cannot afford to pay
for this development by themselves, especially

RE: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Phil Muir

Seem to remember that NI use QT.  If that is the case then maybe the need to
talk to Pace as they used that and made the Ilok manager somewhat accessible
both on Mac and Windows.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel
Sent: 16 June 2017 23:45
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

Hi Andre.

unfortunately no. Native instruments does not use Juce.

best regards,

JPR


http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 21:33, Andre Woods a écrit :
> Hello,
>   
>   I appreciate your advocacy for us. Would native instruments happen
to be one of the 500  company's?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 16, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel 
wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you don't
mind me posting it to several lists at a time.
>> Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music applications.
It is already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI,
Korg, Max, SampleModeling...
>> for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is
their website.
>>  http://juce.com
>>
>> Juce Provides tools for developers that allows them to build applications
that are compatible with every operating system, Windows, OS X, Linux,
without
>> having to recode For each System.
>> This also means these Developers depend on Juce for things like their
graphic interface.
>> I just spoke to someone from the Juce support team about our
accessibility issues.
>> Useless to say that, if Juce  could give its clients an accessibility
module, that would be the end of our problems, And all Plug-ins developed
withJuce  could instantly become
>> accessible at once. But Such a tool would take about six months and
Approximately $111000 To develop. Who has this money?
>> Of course, Juce  is not Apple, not eaven Avid, and they cannot afford to
pay for this development by themselves, especially since, after these six
initial
>> months, comes an unpredictable time of maintenance, as things never work
as expected…
>> So, two things could be done. One would be crowdfunding. but how many
Blind musicians would be ready to pay, and how much, ?
>> Another solution would be to make companies that use Juce  for their
plug-ins concerned With accessibility. If each company Invested a small
amount of
>> money, something like 5000 each, if they feel accessibility would Also
improve their image and reputation, Then the goal would be reached.
>> For this to work, they need testimonials from As many blind musician as
Possible, who dream to use such plug-ins but can't.
>> I would be happy to be your Intermediate, and transmit all these
testimonials to the Juce team, who will Transmit these to their 500 partners
on our behalf.
>>
>> So, what do you say?
>> Best regards,
>> JPR
>>
>> http://www.jprykiel.com
>> http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
>> http://twitter.com/ryksounet
>> http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel
>>
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RE: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

2017-06-17 Thread Phil Muir

Rather than putting those installers in the folders you would be better to
maybe put them somewhere on your own dropbox then post a link to those files
as those take up quite a lot of space.  Or you could contact Avid technical
support who no doubt would sort you out with direct links to the files.

-Original Message-
From: ptaccess@googlegroups.com [mailto:ptaccess@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nick Gawronski
Sent: 17 June 2017 00:27
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: putting the full pro tools 12 installers for the mac along with the
avid plugins into the ptaccess dropbox folder for ease of location

Hi, I was trying to redownload Pro Tools 12 as I had to reinstall my mac 
and as usual as I had bought the student teacher version of Pro Tools 12 
I was not able to locate the downloads as in the my products section I 
only see Pro Tools 11 when I had Pro Tools 12 installed before.  If 
possible could someone please place the Pro Tools 12 installer along 
with the other Avid plugins for ease of use into the ptaccess dropbox 
folder?  I have tried on both windows 10 pro 64 bits along with a mac to 
get access to my downloads in my Avid account and am unable to do so 
because of the web sites not very good accessibility.  I am not sure if 
this has anything to do with the student teacher version but I do think 
this needs to be brought to Avid's attention.  Nick Gawronski

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Re: Juce accessibility, How to get the money?

2017-06-17 Thread Jean-Philippe Rykiel

Hi all.

So, what I would like you to do now, is right a little testimonial to
Juce. send it here, by replying to this mail.

All I need is a quick bio, and a description of your frustration
regarding accessibility.

As Cameron said, some folks From music software companies arn't even
Aware that blind musicians use DAWS. So anything that sounds obvious to
you might not be to them.

Thanks for making things move.

best,

JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

Le 16/06/2017 à 21:33, Andre Woods a écrit :

Hello,

I appreciate your advocacy for us. Would native instruments happen to be one of the 500 company's?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote:

Dear friends,

this one could change our musical lives For good, so I hope you don't mind me
posting it to several lists at a time.
Juce Is A set of libraries that are used to develop music applications. It is
already being used by about 500 companies, among which Pianoteq, UVI, Korg,
Max, SampleModeling...
for those with a better skill Than mine in computer science, here is their
website.
http://juce.com

Juce Provides tools for developers that allows them to build applications that
are compatible with every operating system, Windows, OS X, Linux, without
having to recode For each System.
This also means these Developers depend on Juce for things like their graphic
interface.
I just spoke to someone from the Juce support team about our accessibility
issues.
Useless to say that, if Juce could give its clients an accessibility module,
that would be the end of our problems, And all Plug-ins developed withJuce
could instantly become
accessible at once. But Such a tool would take about six months and
Approximately $111000 To develop. Who has this money?
Of course, Juce is not Apple, not eaven Avid, and they cannot afford to pay
for this development by themselves, especially since, after these six initial
months, comes an unpredictable time of maintenance, as things never work as
expected…
So, two things could be done. One would be crowdfunding. but how many Blind
musicians would be ready to pay, and how much, ?
Another solution would be to make companies that use Juce for their plug-ins
concerned With accessibility. If each company Invested a small amount of
money, something like 5000 each, if they feel accessibility would Also improve
their image and reputation, Then the goal would be reached.
For this to work, they need testimonials from As many blind musician as
Possible, who dream to use such plug-ins but can't.
I would be happy to be your Intermediate, and transmit all these testimonials
to the Juce team, who will Transmit these to their 500 partners on our behalf.

So, what do you say?
Best regards,
JPR

http://www.jprykiel.com
http://soundcloud.com/ryksounet
http://twitter.com/ryksounet
http://facebook.com/jeanphilipperykiel

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