Any good mastering plugin out there?
Hi there. I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to a computer, but on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were mastering tools you could use with various presets for different genres, are there such mastering plugins out there that don't cost an arm, a leg and half the body to get? /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Hi Krister, Waves Lin MB, Lin EQ, l2 & l3. :) When listening to almost any music, Waves plug-ins are being heard! Or may be not heard! YMMV Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Jan 31, 2014, at 6:55 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi there. > I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to a computer, but > on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were mastering tools you could > use with various presets for different genres, are there such mastering > plugins out there that don't cost an arm, a leg and half the body to get? > /Krister > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm) That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a heck of a lot. The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening space, and your experience. The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about kill a butterfly with a sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not your intent at all. I'm seeing a lot of that cookie cutter homogeneity these days, along with four steps to mastering at home type articles. Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day! I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an extremely transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also check out their Virtual Bus Compressors for really colored analog-sounding options. Their tape simulator VTM is wonderful, in case you want things to sound like they've gone through a 1/2" deck at 15 IPS. There are lots of m/s and phase adjustment plugs out there, many of them free. When I don't like the limiter section of FGX, I usually reach for Voxengo's Elephant. It has several algorithms to chose from, and you will want to try them all to find out what gets you the results you are after for the mix you are working with. I haven't used it, but the mastering guys rave about Algorithmix Red and Orange as a pair of excelent linear-phaze equalizers, but just about any linear-phaze EQ will do the job, as long as your ears can home in like a lazer on the part of the spectrum that needs tweaking. Waves make one, Ozone comes with one, Fab Filter make one, etc. Chris P.S. For those of you wanting extremely transparent EQ with seemingly no ringing, keep an eye out for Eiosis Air EQ. It is almost out of beta testing and it's magic! We're so used to the effects of typical EQ that for a minute, you think the plug-in must not be doing it's job, because it isn't as obvious. At 06:55 AM 1/31/2014, you wrote: Hi there. I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to a computer, but on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were mastering tools you could use with various presets for different genres, are there such mastering plugins out there that don't cost an arm, a leg and half the body to get? /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
31 jan 2014 kl. 14:55 skrev CHUCK REICHEL : > Hi Krister, > Waves Lin MB, Lin EQ, l2 & l3. :) Do you know if those can be had in a bundle? Is there any of the plugins that come with PT that can do the job? I looked at the price tag of the Waves plugins and they were way, way, way above my budget. Nothing i can afford in a life time. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
wow, what did you spend on PT, your audio interface, your Mac, etc.? Just curious. Watch the Waves site for specials. Also watch an online store called Waves Universe. If you're patient enough, you can usually pick up bundles for 50% off or more. At 02:46 PM 1/31/2014, you wrote: 31 jan 2014 kl. 14:55 skrev CHUCK REICHEL : > Hi Krister, > Waves Lin MB, Lin EQ, l2 & l3. :) Do you know if those can be had in a bundle? Is there any of the plugins that come with PT that can do the job? I looked at the price tag of the Waves plugins and they were way, way, way above my budget. Nothing i can afford in a life time. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
here's another thought. master one album for a client and you'll pay for your plug-ins or most of them. At 03:10 PM 1/31/2014, you wrote: wow, what did you spend on PT, your audio interface, your Mac, etc.? Just curious. Watch the Waves site for specials. Also watch an online store called Waves Universe. If you're patient enough, you can usually pick up bundles for 50% off or more. At 02:46 PM 1/31/2014, you wrote: 31 jan 2014 kl. 14:55 skrev CHUCK REICHEL : > Hi Krister, > Waves Lin MB, Lin EQ, l2 & l3. :) Do you know if those can be had in a bundle? Is there any of the plugins that come with PT that can do the job? I looked at the price tag of the Waves plugins and they were way, way, way above my budget. Nothing i can afford in a life time. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if it is exactly what they need or not. - Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm) That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a heck of a lot. The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening space, and your experience. The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about kill a butterfly with a sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not your intent at all. I'm seeing a lot of that cookie cutter homogeneity these days, along with four steps to mastering at home type articles. Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day! I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an extremely transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also check out their Virtual Bus Compressors for really colored analog-sounding options. Their tape simulator VTM is wonderful, in case you want things to sound like they've gone through a 1/2" deck at 15 IPS. There are lots of m/s and phase adjustment plugs out there, many of them free. When I don't like the limiter section of FGX, I usually reach for Voxengo's Elephant. It has several algorithms to chose from, and you will want to try them all to find out what gets you the results you are after for the mix you are working with. I haven't used it, but the mastering guys rave about Algorithmix Red and Orange as a pair of excelent linear-phaze equalizers, but just about any linear-phaze EQ will do the job, as long as your ears can home in like a lazer on the part of the spectrum that needs tweaking. Waves make one, Ozone comes with one, Fab Filter make one, etc. Chris P.S. For those of you wanting extremely transparent EQ with seemingly no ringing, keep an eye out for Eiosis Air EQ. It is almost out of beta testing and it's magic! We're so used to the effects of typical EQ that for a minute, you think the plug-in must not be doing it's job, because it isn't as obvious. At 06:55 AM 1/31/2014, you wrote: Hi there. I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to a computer, but on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were mastering tools you could use with various presets for different genres, are there such mastering plugins out there that don't cost an arm, a leg and half the body to get? /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along with getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: > Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering > plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, > mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that > point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they > have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and > mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring > their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they > can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, > in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they > have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really > learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of > mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of > engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of > mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband > compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect > instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on > will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering > plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if > it is exactly what they need or not. > > - Original Message - > From: "Chris Smart" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM > > Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? > > > >> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that >> manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of >> the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is >> called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it >> will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm) >> >> That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have >> presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a >> starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. >> >> Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to >> world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and >> requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent >> compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a >> heck of a lot. The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening >> space, and your experience. >> >> The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and >> picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be >> "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about kill a butterfly with a >> sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not your intent at all. I'm seeing a >> lot of that cookie cutter homogeneity these days, along with four steps to >> mastering at home type articles. >> >> Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day! >> >> I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an extremely >> transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also ch
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
So, Poppa, what's your advise? This may sound silly, and probably is, but i don't really know how good my mixing skills are. I've hitherto done music on a not so professional level, like i'm not having a studio that i can make money from, this is just my hobby, do you follow me? /Krister 31 jan 2014 kl. 22:34 skrev Poppa Bear : > Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering > plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, > mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that > point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they > have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and > mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring > their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they > can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, > in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they > have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really > learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of > mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of > engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of > mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband > compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect > instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on > will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering > plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if > it is exactly what they need or not. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Smart" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM > > Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? > > > >> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that >> manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of >> the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is >> called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it >> will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm) >> >> That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have >> presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a >> starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. >> >> Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to >> world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and >> requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent >> compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a >> heck of a lot. The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening >> space, and your experience. >> >> The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and >> picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be >> "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about kill a butterfly with a >> sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not your intent at all. I'm seeing a >> lot of that cookie cutter homogeneity these days, along with four steps to >> mastering at home type articles. >> >> Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day! >> >> I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an extremely >> transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also check out their >> Virtual Bus Compressors for really colored analog-sounding options. Their >> tape simulator VTM is wonderful, in case you want things to sound like >> they've gone through a 1/2" deck at 15 IPS. >> >> There are lots of m/s and phase adjustment plugs out there, many of them >> free. When I don't like the limiter section of FGX, I usually reach for >> Voxengo's Elephant. It has several algorithms to chose from, and you will >> want to try them all to find out what gets you the results you are after for >> the mix you are working with. >> >> I haven't used it, but the mastering guys rave about Algorithmix Red and >> Orange as a pair of excelent linear-phaze equalizers, but just about any >> linear-phaze EQ will do the job, as long as your ears can home in like a >> lazer on the part of the spectrum that needs tweaking. Waves make one, >> Ozone comes with one, Fab Filter make one,
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Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn what plugs do what and what i can use. /Krister 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : > At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at any > plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug ins has > presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master presets as > well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they work and how > they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The stock plug ins > are great and there are even popular songs that were done entirely with pro > tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a better idea > of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug ins with more > confidence. First step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing > the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the one microphone you > have around till you get the instrument or voice you are trying to record > sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone > in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used tool for both > mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ > ear training. Next important beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips > with EQ and compression along with getting the best sources of recordings you > can and you can get 80% to 90% of the way there before you add anything else > to your mix or master. > On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: > >> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering >> plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, >> mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that >> point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think >> they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes >> and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and >> bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few >> projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't >> paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their >> mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores >> instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my >> understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of >> engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of >> mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband >> compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect >> instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on >> will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering >> plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if >> it is exactly what they need or not. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chris Smart" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM >> >> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >> >> >> >>> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that >>> manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of >>> the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is >>> called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it >>> will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! >>> (sarcasm) >>> >>> That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have >>> presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a >>> starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. >>> >>> Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to >>> world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and >>> requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent >>> compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a >>> heck of a lot. The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening >>> space, and your experience. >>> >>> The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and >>> picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be >>> "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about
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Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding frequency responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to understand too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake with the right amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and Mastering is the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a person tries to get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying to throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" To: Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn what plugs do what and what i can use. /Krister 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along with getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if it is exactly what they need or not. - Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity now. It reminds me of the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is called classical, another is called jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm) That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique. Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have a nice transparent compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a heck of a lot. The tools aren&
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Hi, Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly. /Krister 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : > Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These are > must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding frequency > responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and instruments, > but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to understand > too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake with the right > amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and Mastering is the > frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they > eventually need to complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a > person tries to get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is > like trying to throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. > - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? > > > Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn > what plugs do what and what i can use. > /Krister > > 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : > >> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at >> any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug >> ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master >> presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they work >> and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The stock >> plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done entirely >> with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a >> better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug ins >> with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can before >> recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the >> one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or voice you are >> trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs >> t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your >> most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the >> quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to >> tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along with >> getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to 90% >> of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: >> >>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering >>> plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, >>> mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that >>> point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think >>> they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes >>> and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and >>> bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few >>> projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't >>> paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their >>> mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores >>> instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my >>> understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of >>> engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of >>> mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband >>> compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect >>> instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on >>> will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering >>> plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if >>> it is exactly what they need or not. >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Chris Smart" >>> >>> To: >>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re:
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Hi Krister, Call or contact, Groove 3 Inc. CALL US: 1-800-460-7509 Groove 3 Inc ord...@groove3.com They have training tutorials on all these topics. Theres one called "compression explained" that will put it all together for you. Tell them Chuck sent you! :) They always give 50% off for the visual thing. They may be $10.00 for that one. YMMV Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm afraid. > I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the attack and > release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing to me. I feel > like a hopeless case, very silly. > /Krister > > 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : > >> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These >> are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding >> frequency responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and >> instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to >> understand too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake >> with the right amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and >> Mastering is the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat >> process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a whole. So in >> this case, if a person tries to get the mastering down, without the mixing >> concepts it is like trying to throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that >> taist like crap. >> ----- Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >> >> >> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn >> what plugs do what and what i can use. >> /Krister >> >> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >> >>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at >>> any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug >>> ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master >>> presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they >>> work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The >>> stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done >>> entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those >>> and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money >>> on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can >>> before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or >>> moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or >>> voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. >>> Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be >>> probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also >>> grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important >>> beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along >>> with getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to >>> 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. >>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: >>> >>>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering >>>> plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, >>>> mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that >>>> point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think >>>> they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good >>>> mixes and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, >>>> and bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few >>>> projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't >>>> paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their >>>> mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores >>>> instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Take it one step at a time. Learn Eq, Then compression. Once you feel comfortable and mastered those, worry about multi band compression after that. Take baby steps,and put in the time t constantly work and learn and confidence in your mixes will come in time. On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm afraid. > I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the attack and > release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing to me. I feel > like a hopeless case, very silly. > /Krister > > 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : > >> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These >> are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding >> frequency responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and >> instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to >> understand too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake >> with the right amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and >> Mastering is the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat >> process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a whole. So in >> this case, if a person tries to get the mastering down, without the mixing >> concepts it is like trying to throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that >> taist like crap. >> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >> >> >> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn >> what plugs do what and what i can use. >> /Krister >> >> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >> >>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at >>> any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug >>> ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master >>> presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they >>> work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The >>> stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done >>> entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those >>> and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money >>> on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can >>> before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or >>> moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or >>> voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. >>> Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be >>> probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also >>> grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important >>> beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along >>> with getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to >>> 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. >>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: >>> >>>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering >>>> plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, >>>> mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that >>>> point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think >>>> they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good >>>> mixes and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, >>>> and bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few >>>> projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't >>>> paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their >>>> mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores >>>> instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my >>>> understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics >>>> of engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first >>>> bundle of mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, >>>> multiband comp
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
good to know about the groove3 discount. I just used up a one month free trial and while i didn't get in as many tutorials as i would of liked, I will say the videos were easy enough to follow for being videos. Joe gilder's understanding compression series is pretty good as well and comes with both video files and or mp3's so you can just listen along instead of watching the videos. On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: > Hi Krister, > > Call or contact, > Groove 3 Inc. CALL US: 1-800-460-7509 Groove 3 Inc > ord...@groove3.com > > They have training tutorials on all these topics. > Theres one called "compression explained" that will put it all together for > you. > Tell them Chuck sent you! :) > They always give 50% off for the visual thing. > They may be $10.00 for that one. > YMMV > Chuck > > > > CHUCK REICHEL > soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com > www.SoundPictureRecording.com > 954-742-0019 > Isaiah 26 : 3 > Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because > he trusteth in thee. > > In GOD I Trust > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Hi, >> Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm afraid. >> I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the attack and >> release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing to me. I feel >> like a hopeless case, very silly. >> /Krister >> >> 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : >> >>> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These >>> are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding >>> frequency responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and >>> instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to >>> understand too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake >>> with the right amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and >>> Mastering is the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a >>> seprat process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a >>> whole. So in this case, if a person tries to get the mastering down, >>> without the mixing concepts it is like trying to throw a beautiful >>> topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. >>> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn >>> what plugs do what and what i can use. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>> >>>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at >>>> any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug >>>> ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master >>>> presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they >>>> work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The >>>> stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done >>>> entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those >>>> and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money >>>> on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can >>>> before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or >>>> moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or >>>> voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting >>>> record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It >>>> will be probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you >>>> can also grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next >>>> important beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and >>>> compression along with getting the best sources of recordings you can and >>>> you can get 80% to 90% of the way there before you add anything else to >>>> your mix or master. >>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these >>>>> Mastering plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing
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So Joe Gilders videos are good as well, I have a good handle on compression but I would like to learn more. So they are worth getting? On 2/2/14, TheOreoMonster wrote: > good to know about the groove3 discount. I just used up a one month free > trial and while i didn't get in as many tutorials as i would of liked, I > will say the videos were easy enough to follow for being videos. Joe > gilder's understanding compression series is pretty good as well and comes > with both video files and or mp3's so you can just listen along instead of > watching the videos. > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL > wrote: > >> Hi Krister, >> >> Call or contact, >> Groove 3 Inc. CALL US: 1-800-460-7509 Groove 3 Inc >> ord...@groove3.com >> >> They have training tutorials on all these topics. >> Theres one called "compression explained" that will put it all together >> for you. >> Tell them Chuck sent you! :) >> They always give 50% off for the visual thing. >> They may be $10.00 for that one. >> YMMV >> Chuck >> >> >> >> CHUCK REICHEL >> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com >> www.SoundPictureRecording.com >> 954-742-0019 >> Isaiah 26 : 3 >> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: >> because he trusteth in thee. >> >> In GOD I Trust >> >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm >>> afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the >>> attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing >>> to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : >>> >>>> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? >>>> These are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. >>>> Understanding frequency responses and how they open up not only >>>> individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus >>>> are just as important to understand too. You see, when your mixing a >>>> project you are baking a cake with the right amounts of ingreadients, at >>>> the right temperture and Mastering is the frosting and the decarations >>>> on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they eventually need to >>>> complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a person tries to >>>> get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying to >>>> throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. >>>> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to >>>> learn what plugs do what and what i can use. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>>> >>>>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking >>>>> at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools >>>>> plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final >>>>> mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but >>>>> learn why they work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune >>>>> to your song. The stock plug ins are great and there are even popular >>>>> songs that were done entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you >>>>> have a handle on those and have a better idea of what you want, then >>>>> you can start spending money on plug ins with more confidence. First >>>>> step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing the right >>>>> virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the one microphone you have >>>>> around till you get the instrument or voice you are trying to record >>>>> sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in >>>>> to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used >>>>> tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones >>>>> iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to tackle is >>>>> compression. Come
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Well i have the understanding eq and compression among others. Let me put it this way, i didn't ask for my money back. On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Blake Hardin wrote: > So Joe Gilders videos are good as well, I have a good handle on > compression but I would like to learn more. So they are worth getting? > > On 2/2/14, TheOreoMonster wrote: >> good to know about the groove3 discount. I just used up a one month free >> trial and while i didn't get in as many tutorials as i would of liked, I >> will say the videos were easy enough to follow for being videos. Joe >> gilder's understanding compression series is pretty good as well and comes >> with both video files and or mp3's so you can just listen along instead of >> watching the videos. >> >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Krister, >>> >>> Call or contact, >>> Groove 3 Inc. CALL US: 1-800-460-7509 Groove 3 Inc >>> ord...@groove3.com >>> >>> They have training tutorials on all these topics. >>> Theres one called "compression explained" that will put it all together >>> for you. >>> Tell them Chuck sent you! :) >>> They always give 50% off for the visual thing. >>> They may be $10.00 for that one. >>> YMMV >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> CHUCK REICHEL >>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com >>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com >>> 954-742-0019 >>> Isaiah 26 : 3 >>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: >>> because he trusteth in thee. >>> >>> In GOD I Trust >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm >>>> afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the >>>> attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing >>>> to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly. >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>> 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : >>>> >>>>> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? >>>>> These are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. >>>>> Understanding frequency responses and how they open up not only >>>>> individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus >>>>> are just as important to understand too. You see, when your mixing a >>>>> project you are baking a cake with the right amounts of ingreadients, at >>>>> the right temperture and Mastering is the frosting and the decarations >>>>> on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they eventually need to >>>>> complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a person tries to >>>>> get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying to >>>>> throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. >>>>> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to >>>>> learn what plugs do what and what i can use. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>>>> >>>>>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking >>>>>> at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools >>>>>> plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final >>>>>> mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but >>>>>> learn why they work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune >>>>>> to your song. The stock plug ins are great and there are even popular >>>>>> songs that were done entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you >>>>>> have a handle on those and have a better idea of what you want, then >>>>>> you can start spending money on plug ins with more confidence. First >>>>>> step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing the right >>>>>> virtual synth/drum synth
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Ah cool! Well then I will check it out then! On 2/2/14, TheOreoMonster wrote: > Well i have the understanding eq and compression among others. Let me put it > this way, i didn't ask for my money back. > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Blake Hardin > wrote: > >> So Joe Gilders videos are good as well, I have a good handle on >> compression but I would like to learn more. So they are worth getting? >> >> On 2/2/14, TheOreoMonster wrote: >>> good to know about the groove3 discount. I just used up a one month free >>> trial and while i didn't get in as many tutorials as i would of liked, I >>> will say the videos were easy enough to follow for being videos. Joe >>> gilder's understanding compression series is pretty good as well and >>> comes >>> with both video files and or mp3's so you can just listen along instead >>> of >>> watching the videos. >>> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:59 AM, CHUCK REICHEL >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Krister, >>>> >>>> Call or contact, >>>> Groove 3 Inc. CALL US: 1-800-460-7509 Groove 3 Inc >>>> ord...@groove3.com >>>> >>>> They have training tutorials on all these topics. >>>> Theres one called "compression explained" that will put it all together >>>> for you. >>>> Tell them Chuck sent you! :) >>>> They always give 50% off for the visual thing. >>>> They may be $10.00 for that one. >>>> YMMV >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CHUCK REICHEL >>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com >>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com >>>> 954-742-0019 >>>> Isaiah 26 : 3 >>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: >>>> because he trusteth in thee. >>>> >>>> In GOD I Trust >>>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm >>>>> afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the >>>>> attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit >>>>> confusing >>>>> to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>> 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : >>>>> >>>>>> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? >>>>>> These are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. >>>>>> Understanding frequency responses and how they open up not only >>>>>> individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo >>>>>> bus >>>>>> are just as important to understand too. You see, when your mixing a >>>>>> project you are baking a cake with the right amounts of ingreadients, >>>>>> at >>>>>> the right temperture and Mastering is the frosting and the >>>>>> decarations >>>>>> on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they eventually need to >>>>>> complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a person tries >>>>>> to >>>>>> get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying >>>>>> to >>>>>> throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. >>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to >>>>>> learn what plugs do what and what i can use. >>>>>> /Krister >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : >>>>>> >>>>>>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro >>>>>>> tools >>>>>>> plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final >>>>>>> mix/master preset
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
Hi Krister, This bundle has most of what I need for mastering. :) http://www.waves.com/bundles/grand-masters-collection Check them out. Chuck YMMV CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > 31 jan 2014 kl. 14:55 skrev CHUCK REICHEL : > >> Hi Krister, >> Waves Lin MB, Lin EQ, l2 & l3. :) > Do you know if those can be had in a bundle? Is there any of the plugins that > come with PT that can do the job? > I looked at the price tag of the Waves plugins and they were way, way, way > above my budget. Nothing i can afford in a life time. > /Krister > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pro Tools Accessibility" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to ptaccess+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
There are lots of books, websites, tutorials, videos, courses etc. etc. on all of this stuff. Try google, a book or two on mixing, etc. Most of all, just load some audio and experiment! Adjust parameters and notice how the sound changes. At 05:39 AM 2/2/2014, you wrote: Hi, Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit confusing to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly. /Krister 2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear : > Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband compression? These are must know building blocks for mixing and mastering. Understanding frequency responses and how they open up not only individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when on a stareo bus are just as important to understand too. You see, when your mixing a project you are baking a cake with the right amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and Mastering is the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a whole. So in this case, if a person tries to get the mastering down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying to throw a beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap. > - Original Message - From: "Krister Ekstrom" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM > Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? > > > Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have to learn what plugs do what and what i can use. > /Krister > > 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster : > >> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be looking at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All the pro tools plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a few final mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting point, but learn why they work and how they do what they do. and how to fine tune to your song. The stock plug ins are great and there are even popular songs that were done entirely with pro tools stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a better idea of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth sounds, or moving the one microphone you have around till you get the instrument or voice you are trying to record sound the best it can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used tool for both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones iOS app to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to tackle is compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along with getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80% to 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master. >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear wrote: >> >>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if it is exactly what they need or not. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" >>> >>> To: >>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there? >>> >>> >>> >>>> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets i
