Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[TheOreoMonster]

I see someone beat me to the punch about pointing out the GC/MF connection. 
While i never had any bad experiences with MF,(though i only usually buy from 
the if its one of their stupid deals or one of their store brand stands etc) I 
have such crap, uneducated and uncaring support when walking into GC stores 
with the exception one person i know at the NYC store. Anyways keep us Posted 
on the X32 as i may give this look when i decide to upgrade to an all in one 
mixer solution again.


> On Jun 29, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Slau Halatyn  wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, although you bought it from Musician's Friend, Guitar 
> Center ultimately gets your money since they own Musician's Friend. Of 
> course, that won't be for long since GC will be going out of business soon :)
> 
> On Jun 29, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ricky Prevatte  > wrote:
> 
>> Now this is the kind of iPad information I did not think existed. Did you 
>> buy this piece from Sweetwater? I believe I will get one eventually but I 
>> will purchase mine from Sweetwater because they offer such good 
>> tech-support. I went in Guitar Center, Saturday and it was nonexistent for 
>> service and tech-support. So I left and place my small order with musicians 
>> friend.
>> 
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>> 
>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Jason > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I picked up the X32 producer last Friday and after minimal time with it 
>>> over the weekend I would say the following:
>>> I can definitely tell that after a learning curve someone with no vision 
>>> and an iPAD will be able to use this mixer almost completely.  Without an 
>>> iPad it would be possible but much more difficult.  The on screen menus of 
>>> the mixer are almost completely accessible while using the iPAD.  Without 
>>> the iPad you would have to have a list of the entire menu structure (which 
>>> in some cases is small but in others, very extended) and count based on the 
>>> clicks of the rotary knob.  
>>> I also have not been able to get Pro Tools to recognize it as a  control 
>>> surface yet.  Not sure what is going on with that but I will have to spend 
>>> more time.  Definitely a good purchase and I will post further updates if I 
>>> come across anything either particularly great for accessibility or bad for 
>>> it.  I am also happy to answer any questions I can to someone who may be 
>>> considering this board.  
>>> -Jason
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 1:04:53 PM UTC-4, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> sorry for changing the subject but I think this will be more relevant 
>>> to my question. 
>>> 
>>> I have now the bcf 2000, but am thinking to get something better like 
>>> artist mix. 
>>> 
>>> but I need to ask you, will I get more accessibility if I will percious 
>>> the artist mix? 
>>>  I need your opinion, 
>>> will it provide more blug in accessibility? 
>>> 
>>> please I need more explnations because no unites are here, I will 
>>> order the unit you suggest 
>>> Thanks 
>>> 
>>> On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa > wrote: 
>>> > Artest mix or artest controller? 
>>> > awhat is better that can bring accessibility to my pro tools with voice 
>>> > over? 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa > wrote: 
>>> >> Hello all my friends. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> I decided to buy something to help me using pro tools, I have my BCF 
>>> >> 2000 midi controller. but I'm thinking of changing it. 
>>> >> what are your opinion? 
>>> >> what equipment 
>>> >> should I use? and will it help me more than bcf 2000? I need more 
>>> >> accessibility specially in effects etc? 
>>> >> please I need detailed explanation. 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Thanks 
>>> >> 
>>> >> -- 
>>> >> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>>> >> Music instructor @: 
>>> >> Faculty ofmusical education 
>>> >> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>>> >> Harmony Recording Studio 
>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>> >>  
>>> >> 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>>> > Music instructor @: 
>>> > Faculty ofmusical education 
>>> > Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>>> > Harmony Recording Studio 
>>> > https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>> >  
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>>> Music instructor @: 
>>> Faculty ofmusical education 
>>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>>> Harmony Recording Studio 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>>>  
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Slau Halatyn]

For what it's worth, although you bought it from Musician's Friend, Guitar 
Center ultimately gets your money since they own Musician's Friend. Of course, 
that won't be for long since GC will be going out of business soon :)

On Jun 29, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ricky Prevatte  wrote:

> Now this is the kind of iPad information I did not think existed. Did you buy 
> this piece from Sweetwater? I believe I will get one eventually but I will 
> purchase mine from Sweetwater because they offer such good tech-support. I 
> went in Guitar Center, Saturday and it was nonexistent for service and 
> tech-support. So I left and place my small order with musicians friend.
> 
> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> 
> On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Jason  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I picked up the X32 producer last Friday and after minimal time with it 
>> over the weekend I would say the following:
>> I can definitely tell that after a learning curve someone with no vision and 
>> an iPAD will be able to use this mixer almost completely.  Without an iPad 
>> it would be possible but much more difficult.  The on screen menus of the 
>> mixer are almost completely accessible while using the iPAD.  Without the 
>> iPad you would have to have a list of the entire menu structure (which in 
>> some cases is small but in others, very extended) and count based on the 
>> clicks of the rotary knob.  
>> I also have not been able to get Pro Tools to recognize it as a  control 
>> surface yet.  Not sure what is going on with that but I will have to spend 
>> more time.  Definitely a good purchase and I will post further updates if I 
>> come across anything either particularly great for accessibility or bad for 
>> it.  I am also happy to answer any questions I can to someone who may be 
>> considering this board.  
>> -Jason
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 1:04:53 PM UTC-4, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> sorry for changing the subject but I think this will be more relevant 
>> to my question. 
>> 
>> I have now the bcf 2000, but am thinking to get something better like 
>> artist mix. 
>> 
>> but I need to ask you, will I get more accessibility if I will percious 
>> the artist mix? 
>>  I need your opinion, 
>> will it provide more blug in accessibility? 
>> 
>> please I need more explnations because no unites are here, I will 
>> order the unit you suggest 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote: 
>> > Artest mix or artest controller? 
>> > awhat is better that can bring accessibility to my pro tools with voice 
>> > over? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote: 
>> >> Hello all my friends. 
>> >> 
>> >> I decided to buy something to help me using pro tools, I have my BCF 
>> >> 2000 midi controller. but I'm thinking of changing it. 
>> >> what are your opinion? 
>> >> what equipment 
>> >> should I use? and will it help me more than bcf 2000? I need more 
>> >> accessibility specially in effects etc? 
>> >> please I need detailed explanation. 
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks 
>> >> 
>> >> -- 
>> >> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> >> Music instructor @: 
>> >> Faculty ofmusical education 
>> >> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> >> Harmony Recording Studio 
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> > Music instructor @: 
>> > Faculty ofmusical education 
>> > Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> > Harmony Recording Studio 
>> > https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> Music instructor @: 
>> Faculty ofmusical education 
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> Harmony Recording Studio 
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ricky Prevatte]

Now this is the kind of iPad information I did not think existed. Did you buy 
this piece from Sweetwater? I believe I will get one eventually but I will 
purchase mine from Sweetwater because they offer such good tech-support. I went 
in Guitar Center, Saturday and it was nonexistent for service and tech-support. 
So I left and place my small order with musicians friend.

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Jun 29, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Jason  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I picked up the X32 producer last Friday and after minimal time with it 
> over the weekend I would say the following:
> I can definitely tell that after a learning curve someone with no vision and 
> an iPAD will be able to use this mixer almost completely.  Without an iPad it 
> would be possible but much more difficult.  The on screen menus of the mixer 
> are almost completely accessible while using the iPAD.  Without the iPad you 
> would have to have a list of the entire menu structure (which in some cases 
> is small but in others, very extended) and count based on the clicks of the 
> rotary knob.  
> I also have not been able to get Pro Tools to recognize it as a  control 
> surface yet.  Not sure what is going on with that but I will have to spend 
> more time.  Definitely a good purchase and I will post further updates if I 
> come across anything either particularly great for accessibility or bad for 
> it.  I am also happy to answer any questions I can to someone who may be 
> considering this board.  
> -Jason
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 1:04:53 PM UTC-4, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>> sorry for changing the subject but I think this will be more relevant 
>> to my question. 
>> 
>> I have now the bcf 2000, but am thinking to get something better like 
>> artist mix. 
>> 
>> but I need to ask you, will I get more accessibility if I will percious 
>> the artist mix? 
>>  I need your opinion, 
>> will it provide more blug in accessibility? 
>> 
>> please I need more explnations because no unites are here, I will 
>> order the unit you suggest 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote: 
>> > Artest mix or artest controller? 
>> > awhat is better that can bring accessibility to my pro tools with voice 
>> > over? 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote: 
>> >> Hello all my friends. 
>> >> 
>> >> I decided to buy something to help me using pro tools, I have my BCF 
>> >> 2000 midi controller. but I'm thinking of changing it. 
>> >> what are your opinion? 
>> >> what equipment 
>> >> should I use? and will it help me more than bcf 2000? I need more 
>> >> accessibility specially in effects etc? 
>> >> please I need detailed explanation. 
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks 
>> >> 
>> >> -- 
>> >> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> >> Music instructor @: 
>> >> Faculty ofmusical education 
>> >> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> >> Harmony Recording Studio 
>> >> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> > Music instructor @: 
>> > Faculty ofmusical education 
>> > Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> > Harmony Recording Studio 
>> > https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
>> Music instructor @: 
>> Faculty ofmusical education 
>> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
>> Harmony Recording Studio 
>> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg
> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Jason]

Ok, I picked up the X32 producer last Friday and after minimal time with it 
over the weekend I would say the following:
I can definitely tell that after a learning curve someone with no vision 
and an iPAD will be able to use this mixer almost completely.  Without an 
iPad it would be possible but much more difficult.  The on screen menus of 
the mixer are almost completely accessible while using the iPAD.  Without 
the iPad you would have to have a list of the entire menu structure (which 
in some cases is small but in others, very extended) and count based on the 
clicks of the rotary knob.  
I also have not been able to get Pro Tools to recognize it as a  control 
surface yet.  Not sure what is going on with that but I will have to spend 
more time.  Definitely a good purchase and I will post further updates if I 
come across anything either particularly great for accessibility or bad for 
it.  I am also happy to answer any questions I can to someone who may be 
considering this board.  
-Jason


On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 1:04:53 PM UTC-4, Ramy Moustafa wrote:

> sorry for changing the subject but I think this will be more relevant 
> to my question. 
>
> I have now the bcf 2000, but am thinking to get something better like 
> artist mix. 
>
> but I need to ask you, will I get more accessibility if I will percious 
> the artist mix? 
>  I need your opinion, 
> will it provide more blug in accessibility? 
>
> please I need more explnations because no unites are here, I will 
> order the unit you suggest 
> Thanks 
>
> On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa > wrote: 
> > Artest mix or artest controller? 
> > awhat is better that can bring accessibility to my pro tools with voice 
> > over? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa > wrote: 
> >> Hello all my friends. 
> >> 
> >> I decided to buy something to help me using pro tools, I have my BCF 
> >> 2000 midi controller. but I'm thinking of changing it. 
> >> what are your opinion? 
> >> what equipment 
> >> should I use? and will it help me more than bcf 2000? I need more 
> >> accessibility specially in effects etc? 
> >> please I need detailed explanation. 
> >> 
> >> Thanks 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
> >> Music instructor @: 
> >> Faculty ofmusical education 
> >> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
> >> Harmony Recording Studio 
> >> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ramy MoustafaSaber 
> > Music instructor @: 
> > Faculty ofmusical education 
> > Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
> > Harmony Recording Studio 
> > https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
> > 
>
>
> -- 
> Ramy MoustafaSaber 
> Music instructor @: 
> Faculty ofmusical education 
> Music arranger and Sound engineer @: 
> Harmony Recording Studio 
> https://www.facebook.com/HarmonyRecordingStudio.eg 
>

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Kevin Reeves]

I haven't used it either, but Derek has given some live demonstrations 
via voice chat and illustrated how easy the interface is once you've 
bent your head around it.
I really do believe that the effort will be worth it in the long run as 
far as workflow is concerned both for recording live acts on stage, and 
in the studio.


Kevin

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Scott Chesworth]

Yep, that's who I was talking to on Twitter. And nope, you spelled his
name fine.

Scott

On 6/21/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> Derek Lane, I may have spelled his last name wrong, is using an X32 and
> loves it.
>
> At 07:59 AM 6/21/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jason,
>>
>> I'm not Kevin obviously, and haven't actually used an X32 yet, just
>> been researching the hell out of it too. From a discussion on Twitter,
>> I can tell you that the menus don't wrap, so it'll be possible to take
>> notes on them and count. If I pull the trigger on it, I'll get some
>> sighted assistance to put together a text version of the menus, and
>> will be happy to share that assuming nobody gets there in the
>> meantime. Apparently the iOS app is mostly accessible other than
>> editing individual FX patches, which is pretty easy from the board
>> itself according to the blind chap I was tweeting with.
>>
>> Hth a bit
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/20/15, Jason  wrote:
>> > Wanted to get in on this discussion and post some info and my 2 cents.
>> >  First, Kevin, thank you for posting this...this X32 producer seems like
>> > exactly what I have been looking for in a control surface/audio
>> > interface/digital mixer combo.  I wanted to take the opportunity to post
>> > some info here because I have been researching the x32 producer all week
>> > to
>> >
>> > determine if I am going to pull the trigger and buy this bad boy.  It is
>> > a
>> > full mixer/audio interface with 32 in and 32 out channels into pro
>> > tools.
>> >  This is done via USB.  It has 16 mic preamps and 17 motorized faders.
>> > 8
>> > are ins and 8 are outs plus the final is master, but since it is a
>> > digital
>> > mixer you can remap these faders to whatever you want.  The 32 in 32 out
>> > audio interface to pro tools means you could record in to the computer
>> > with
>> >
>> > the mixer inputs, then simply route the pro tools channels right back
>> > out
>> > via the USB and actually do your mixing on the board itself without even
>> > using it as a control surface.  With the mortised faders this alone
>> > would
>> > be great for me.  But on top of this, it can use either HUI or Mackie
>> > control to send signals to pro tools via the USB as a controller.  It
>> > also
>> > has a standard MIDI connection so you can hook up additional MIDI
>> > gear...however I believe it is only 16X16 so if you needed more than
>> > that
>> > you would have to buy an additional MIDI interface.  I have listened to
>> > demos of the built in effects in this board and they are very nice.
>> > This
>> > board also has an additional separate USB bus that you can use to output
>> > a
>> > stereo mix to...either to a USB stick or an actual USB external drive.
>> > It
>> > has the ability to be controlled by Behringer's software on Mac or PC
>> > but
>> > don't bother...not accessible at all...at least on the MAC.  I do not
>> > know
>> > about the IOS app because you have to be connected to one in order to
>> > use
>> > it.  Price is $1500 which is excellent considering my previous TASCAM
>> > FW1884 which is no longer supported by anyone cost almost this price bra
>> > new and provided a much smaller feature set.
>> > One question I did have for Kevin:
>> > I am assuming since you mentioned these boards that you have used them.
>> >  Can you comment as to the use of the menu system for the board
>> > internal.
>> >  Obviously since it is a digital mixer many of the more advanced
>> > features
>> > are in menus...I am sure they are not accessible but have you found that
>> > after maybe some memorization that you could navigate at least some of
>> > them?  Thanks for any info and hope this helps someone.
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
>> >> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support
>> >> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're
>> >> trying
>> >> to rewrite automation moves.
>> >>
>> >> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap
>> >> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years
>> >> ago,
>> >> the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the
>> >> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly
>> >> improved.
>> >> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
>> >> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1
>> >> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a
>> >> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks
>> >> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually
>> >> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and
>> >> Midas Mic Pres.
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> Kevin
>> >>
>> >
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Chris Smart]

Derek Lane, I may have spelled his last name wrong, is using an X32 and
loves it.
At 07:59 AM 6/21/2015, you wrote:
Hey Jason,
I'm not Kevin obviously, and haven't actually used an X32 yet, just
been researching the hell out of it too. From a discussion on
Twitter,
I can tell you that the menus don't wrap, so it'll be possible to
take
notes on them and count. If I pull the trigger on it, I'll get some
sighted assistance to put together a text version of the menus, and
will be happy to share that assuming nobody gets there in the
meantime. Apparently the iOS app is mostly accessible other than
editing individual FX patches, which is pretty easy from the board
itself according to the blind chap I was tweeting with.
Hth a bit
Scott
On 6/20/15, Jason  wrote:
> Wanted to get in on this discussion and post some info and my 2
cents.
>  First, Kevin, thank you for posting this...this X32 producer
seems like
> exactly what I have been looking for in a control surface/audio
> interface/digital mixer combo.  I wanted to take the
opportunity to post
> some info here because I have been researching the x32 producer all
week to
>
> determine if I am going to pull the trigger and buy this bad
boy.  It is a
> full mixer/audio interface with 32 in and 32 out channels into pro
tools.
>  This is done via USB.  It has 16 mic preamps and 17
motorized faders.  8
> are ins and 8 are outs plus the final is master, but since it is a
digital
> mixer you can remap these faders to whatever you want.  The 32
in 32 out
> audio interface to pro tools means you could record in to the
computer with
>
> the mixer inputs, then simply route the pro tools channels right
back out
> via the USB and actually do your mixing on the board itself without
even
> using it as a control surface.  With the mortised faders this
alone would
> be great for me.  But on top of this, it can use either HUI or
Mackie
> control to send signals to pro tools via the USB as a
controller.  It also
> has a standard MIDI connection so you can hook up additional
MIDI
> gear...however I believe it is only 16X16 so if you needed more than
that
> you would have to buy an additional MIDI interface.  I have
listened to
> demos of the built in effects in this board and they are very
nice.  This
> board also has an additional separate USB bus that you can use to
output a
> stereo mix to...either to a USB stick or an actual USB external
drive.  It
> has the ability to be controlled by Behringer's software on Mac or
PC but
> don't bother...not accessible at all...at least on the MAC.  I
do not know
> about the IOS app because you have to be connected to one in order
to use
> it.  Price is $1500 which is excellent considering my previous
TASCAM
> FW1884 which is no longer supported by anyone cost almost this price
bra
> new and provided a much smaller feature set.
> One question I did have for Kevin:
> I am assuming since you mentioned these boards that you have used
them.
>  Can you comment as to the use of the menu system for the board
internal.
>  Obviously since it is a digital mixer many of the more
advanced features
> are in menus...I am sure they are not accessible but have you found
that
> after maybe some memorization that you could navigate at least some
of
> them?  Thanks for any info and hope this helps someone.
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin Reeves
wrote:
>>
>> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader
surface.
>> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't
support
>> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if
you're trying
>> to rewrite automation moves.
>>
>> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making
cheap
>> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few
years ago,
>> the build quality of their products, especially anything related
to the
>> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has
greatly
>> improved.
>> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
>> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same
price as 1
>> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr
ins, a
>> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised
folks
>> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm
actually
>> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature
set and
>> Midas Mic Pres.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Scott Chesworth]

Hey Jason,

I'm not Kevin obviously, and haven't actually used an X32 yet, just
been researching the hell out of it too. From a discussion on Twitter,
I can tell you that the menus don't wrap, so it'll be possible to take
notes on them and count. If I pull the trigger on it, I'll get some
sighted assistance to put together a text version of the menus, and
will be happy to share that assuming nobody gets there in the
meantime. Apparently the iOS app is mostly accessible other than
editing individual FX patches, which is pretty easy from the board
itself according to the blind chap I was tweeting with.

Hth a bit

Scott

On 6/20/15, Jason  wrote:
> Wanted to get in on this discussion and post some info and my 2 cents.
>  First, Kevin, thank you for posting this...this X32 producer seems like
> exactly what I have been looking for in a control surface/audio
> interface/digital mixer combo.  I wanted to take the opportunity to post
> some info here because I have been researching the x32 producer all week to
>
> determine if I am going to pull the trigger and buy this bad boy.  It is a
> full mixer/audio interface with 32 in and 32 out channels into pro tools.
>  This is done via USB.  It has 16 mic preamps and 17 motorized faders.  8
> are ins and 8 are outs plus the final is master, but since it is a digital
> mixer you can remap these faders to whatever you want.  The 32 in 32 out
> audio interface to pro tools means you could record in to the computer with
>
> the mixer inputs, then simply route the pro tools channels right back out
> via the USB and actually do your mixing on the board itself without even
> using it as a control surface.  With the mortised faders this alone would
> be great for me.  But on top of this, it can use either HUI or Mackie
> control to send signals to pro tools via the USB as a controller.  It also
> has a standard MIDI connection so you can hook up additional MIDI
> gear...however I believe it is only 16X16 so if you needed more than that
> you would have to buy an additional MIDI interface.  I have listened to
> demos of the built in effects in this board and they are very nice.  This
> board also has an additional separate USB bus that you can use to output a
> stereo mix to...either to a USB stick or an actual USB external drive.  It
> has the ability to be controlled by Behringer's software on Mac or PC but
> don't bother...not accessible at all...at least on the MAC.  I do not know
> about the IOS app because you have to be connected to one in order to use
> it.  Price is $1500 which is excellent considering my previous TASCAM
> FW1884 which is no longer supported by anyone cost almost this price bra
> new and provided a much smaller feature set.
> One question I did have for Kevin:
> I am assuming since you mentioned these boards that you have used them.
>  Can you comment as to the use of the menu system for the board internal.
>  Obviously since it is a digital mixer many of the more advanced features
> are in menus...I am sure they are not accessible but have you found that
> after maybe some memorization that you could navigate at least some of
> them?  Thanks for any info and hope this helps someone.
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>
>> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
>> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support
>> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying
>> to rewrite automation moves.
>>
>> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap
>> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago,
>> the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the
>> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly
>> improved.
>> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
>> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1
>> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a
>> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks
>> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually
>> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and
>> Midas Mic Pres.
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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[Jason]

Wanted to get in on this discussion and post some info and my 2 cents. 
 First, Kevin, thank you for posting this...this X32 producer seems like 
exactly what I have been looking for in a control surface/audio 
interface/digital mixer combo.  I wanted to take the opportunity to post 
some info here because I have been researching the x32 producer all week to 
determine if I am going to pull the trigger and buy this bad boy.  It is a 
full mixer/audio interface with 32 in and 32 out channels into pro tools. 
 This is done via USB.  It has 16 mic preamps and 17 motorized faders.  8 
are ins and 8 are outs plus the final is master, but since it is a digital 
mixer you can remap these faders to whatever you want.  The 32 in 32 out 
audio interface to pro tools means you could record in to the computer with 
the mixer inputs, then simply route the pro tools channels right back out 
via the USB and actually do your mixing on the board itself without even 
using it as a control surface.  With the mortised faders this alone would 
be great for me.  But on top of this, it can use either HUI or Mackie 
control to send signals to pro tools via the USB as a controller.  It also 
has a standard MIDI connection so you can hook up additional MIDI 
gear...however I believe it is only 16X16 so if you needed more than that 
you would have to buy an additional MIDI interface.  I have listened to 
demos of the built in effects in this board and they are very nice.  This 
board also has an additional separate USB bus that you can use to output a 
stereo mix to...either to a USB stick or an actual USB external drive.  It 
has the ability to be controlled by Behringer's software on Mac or PC but 
don't bother...not accessible at all...at least on the MAC.  I do not know 
about the IOS app because you have to be connected to one in order to use 
it.  Price is $1500 which is excellent considering my previous TASCAM 
FW1884 which is no longer supported by anyone cost almost this price bra 
new and provided a much smaller feature set.  
One question I did have for Kevin:  
I am assuming since you mentioned these boards that you have used them. 
 Can you comment as to the use of the menu system for the board internal. 
 Obviously since it is a digital mixer many of the more advanced features 
are in menus...I am sure they are not accessible but have you found that 
after maybe some memorization that you could navigate at least some of 
them?  Thanks for any info and hope this helps someone.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 7:00:49 AM UTC-4, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>
> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface. 
> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support 
> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying 
> to rewrite automation moves. 
>
> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap 
> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago, 
> the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the 
> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly 
> improved. 
> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control 
> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1 
> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a 
> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks 
> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually 
> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and 
> Midas Mic Pres. 
> Hope this helps. 
>
> Kevin 
>

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

http://www.mackie.com/products/mcupro/

On 6/17/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> and by the way, what is the best concerning more accessibility
> soltuions  scrubbing etc, Mackie or x-touch?
>
>
> On 6/17/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all:
>>
>> Thanks so much for all your replys
>> and hope I know if the x-touch will make blug in  automation or not,
>> before perciousing, because, my bcf2000 is so dirty, and I need to get
>> something better.
>> and I called the Behrenger here and they told  met hat there is no x-
>> touch available in Egypt, so, they will bring 1 by order
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/17/15, 'onlineeagle' via Pro Tools Accessibility
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Kevin, according to what I've read, the HUI mode of the BCF does not
>>> allow for plugin automation in ProTools, but only track pan, volume,
>>> mute,
>>> solo and transport controls, this includes busses, and possibly sends.
>>> If
>>> the XTouch uses a different HUI mode to the BCF then perhaps this is why
>>> the
>>> XTouch will allow plugin automation. If you've managed to achieve this
>>> with
>>> the XTouch then I'd be really interested to hear more, as lack of
>>> control
>>> surface pkugin automation is a bit limiting. I haven't managed to find
>>> anything on the Internet confirming that plugin automation is achievable
>>> with the XTouch. I suppose a call to Behringer might be the answer to
>>> determining this once and for all, unless we know of someone who is
>>> automating plugins with the XTouch. Here's hoping you're right though
>>> Kevin.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 17 Jun 2015, at 15:05, Kevin Reeves  wrote:

 The X touch runs on Mackie Hui, so plugin automation is definitely
 possible. Not sure why the BCF won't let you automate plugs, except for
 the fact that it doesn't have touch sensitive faders, which would allow
 you to override automation moves.

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

and by the way, what is the best concerning more accessibility
soltuions  scrubbing etc, Mackie or x-touch?


On 6/17/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> Thanks so much for all your replys
> and hope I know if the x-touch will make blug in  automation or not,
> before perciousing, because, my bcf2000 is so dirty, and I need to get
> something better.
> and I called the Behrenger here and they told  met hat there is no x-
> touch available in Egypt, so, they will bring 1 by order
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On 6/17/15, 'onlineeagle' via Pro Tools Accessibility
>  wrote:
>> Hi Kevin, according to what I've read, the HUI mode of the BCF does not
>> allow for plugin automation in ProTools, but only track pan, volume,
>> mute,
>> solo and transport controls, this includes busses, and possibly sends. If
>> the XTouch uses a different HUI mode to the BCF then perhaps this is why
>> the
>> XTouch will allow plugin automation. If you've managed to achieve this
>> with
>> the XTouch then I'd be really interested to hear more, as lack of control
>> surface pkugin automation is a bit limiting. I haven't managed to find
>> anything on the Internet confirming that plugin automation is achievable
>> with the XTouch. I suppose a call to Behringer might be the answer to
>> determining this once and for all, unless we know of someone who is
>> automating plugins with the XTouch. Here's hoping you're right though
>> Kevin.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2015, at 15:05, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>>>
>>> The X touch runs on Mackie Hui, so plugin automation is definitely
>>> possible. Not sure why the BCF won't let you automate plugs, except for
>>> the fact that it doesn't have touch sensitive faders, which would allow
>>> you to override automation moves.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

Thanks so much for all your replys
and hope I know if the x-touch will make blug in  automation or not,
before perciousing, because, my bcf2000 is so dirty, and I need to get
something better.
and I called the Behrenger here and they told  met hat there is no x-
touch available in Egypt, so, they will bring 1 by order

Thanks



On 6/17/15, 'onlineeagle' via Pro Tools Accessibility
 wrote:
> Hi Kevin, according to what I've read, the HUI mode of the BCF does not
> allow for plugin automation in ProTools, but only track pan, volume, mute,
> solo and transport controls, this includes busses, and possibly sends. If
> the XTouch uses a different HUI mode to the BCF then perhaps this is why the
> XTouch will allow plugin automation. If you've managed to achieve this with
> the XTouch then I'd be really interested to hear more, as lack of control
> surface pkugin automation is a bit limiting. I haven't managed to find
> anything on the Internet confirming that plugin automation is achievable
> with the XTouch. I suppose a call to Behringer might be the answer to
> determining this once and for all, unless we know of someone who is
> automating plugins with the XTouch. Here's hoping you're right though Kevin.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 17 Jun 2015, at 15:05, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>>
>> The X touch runs on Mackie Hui, so plugin automation is definitely
>> possible. Not sure why the BCF won't let you automate plugs, except for
>> the fact that it doesn't have touch sensitive faders, which would allow
>> you to override automation moves.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
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['onlineeagle' via Pro Tools Accessibility]

Hi Kevin, according to what I've read, the HUI mode of the BCF does not allow 
for plugin automation in ProTools, but only track pan, volume, mute, solo and 
transport controls, this includes busses, and possibly sends. If the XTouch 
uses a different HUI mode to the BCF then perhaps this is why the XTouch will 
allow plugin automation. If you've managed to achieve this with the XTouch then 
I'd be really interested to hear more, as lack of control surface pkugin 
automation is a bit limiting. I haven't managed to find anything on the 
Internet confirming that plugin automation is achievable with the XTouch. I 
suppose a call to Behringer might be the answer to determining this once and 
for all, unless we know of someone who is automating plugins with the XTouch. 
Here's hoping you're right though Kevin. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Jun 2015, at 15:05, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> The X touch runs on Mackie Hui, so plugin automation is definitely possible. 
> Not sure why the BCF won't let you automate plugs, except for the fact that 
> it doesn't have touch sensitive faders, which would allow you to override 
> automation moves.
> 
> Kevin
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Kevin Reeves]

The X touch runs on Mackie Hui, so plugin automation is definitely 
possible. Not sure why the BCF won't let you automate plugs, except for 
the fact that it doesn't have touch sensitive faders, which would allow 
you to override automation moves.


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['onlineeagle' via Pro Tools Accessibility]

Hi Ramy, the limitation with he BCF seems to be that you can't automate plugins 
with it. I've done a Google search on the X Touch, and there is nothing to 
suggest that it will allow you to automate plugin controls. So I'm not sure 
whether you'd find much of an improvement between the XTouch and the BCF.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Jun 2015, at 13:19, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> Woops. Sorry about that. My bad.
> 
> Kevin
>> On 6/17/2015 7:25 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:
>> Just a slight correction, seems like the X 32 Producer has 17
>> motorized faders, not 8. I'm hoping that their next move will be an
>> X-touch sized thing with decent pre's and a few MIDI ports. That'd
>> probably be the point where I'd ditch having a separate surface and
>> I/O for mobile recording at least.
>> 
>> Has anybody taken a poke at the Behringer app that pairs up with the
>> X32 gear using VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On 6/17/15, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>>> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
>>> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support
>>> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying
>>> to rewrite automation moves.
>>> 
>>> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap
>>> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago,
>>> the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the
>>> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly
>>> improved.
>>> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
>>> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1
>>> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a
>>> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks
>>> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually
>>> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and
>>> Midas Mic Pres.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Chris Smart]

well, more dedicated buttons equals less need to press combinations of
buttons.
It's a control surface. what are you hoping it does?
At 04:59 AM 6/17/2015, you wrote:
Thanks so much sir chris, but
please.
what other functions will it give us more than the bcf2000?
I
On 6/17/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> The new control surface from Behringer - please note the spelling -
is
> called the X-Touch. Go here to read more about it:
>

http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X-TOUCH.aspx
>
> With considerably more buttons than the BCF2000 I currently own,
I'm
> definitely going to consider getting one of these.
>
> Chris
>
> At 11:27 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Tell me about this Behinger  Kevin!
>>
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>
>> > On Jun 16, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Reeves
 wrote:
>> >
>> > I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control
surface.
>> > The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the
huge price tag.
>> > The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X
touch has the
>> > same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really
happy with.
>> > I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last
week. Still
>> > hate it.
>> >
>> > Kevin
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Kevin Reeves]

Woops. Sorry about that. My bad.

Kevin
On 6/17/2015 7:25 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote:

Just a slight correction, seems like the X 32 Producer has 17
motorized faders, not 8. I'm hoping that their next move will be an
X-touch sized thing with decent pre's and a few MIDI ports. That'd
probably be the point where I'd ditch having a separate surface and
I/O for mobile recording at least.

Has anybody taken a poke at the Behringer app that pairs up with the
X32 gear using VoiceOver?

Scott

On 6/17/15, Kevin Reeves  wrote:

The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support
touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying
to rewrite automation moves.

The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap
hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago,
the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the
X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly
improved.
Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1
of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a
ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks
to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually
considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and
Midas Mic Pres.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Scott Chesworth]

Just a slight correction, seems like the X 32 Producer has 17
motorized faders, not 8. I'm hoping that their next move will be an
X-touch sized thing with decent pre's and a few MIDI ports. That'd
probably be the point where I'd ditch having a separate surface and
I/O for mobile recording at least.

Has anybody taken a poke at the Behringer app that pairs up with the
X32 gear using VoiceOver?

Scott

On 6/17/15, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
> Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support
> touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying
> to rewrite automation moves.
>
> The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap
> hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago,
> the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the
> X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly
> improved.
> Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control
> surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1
> of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a
> ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks
> to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually
> considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and
> Midas Mic Pres.
> Hope this helps.
>
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Kevin Reeves]

The X touch is not a touch screen. It's a full 8 fader surface.
Also, it has better components than the BCF. The BCF doesn't support 
touch automation, so you end up fighting with the fader if you're trying 
to rewrite automation moves.


The BCF was made at a time when Behrenger was known for making cheap 
hardware. There's been a shakeup at the company, and as a few years ago, 
the build quality of their products, especially anything related to the 
X32 series, which includes the X Touch control surface, has greatly 
improved.
Speaking of the X32, that is another option for a control 
surface/interface combo. The X32 producer, which is the same price as 1 
of the artist mix surfaces, gives you 8 motorized faders, 16 xlr ins, a 
ton of routing options, ,effects, etc. As a guy who once advised folks 
to never let Behrenger become part of the signal chain, I'm actually 
considering this as my main studio board because of the feature set and 
Midas Mic Pres.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

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and what about this unit with pro tools? this is the most important question?

On 6/17/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Thanks so much sir chris, but please.
> what other functions will it give us more than the bcf2000?
> I
>
> On 6/17/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
>> The new control surface from Behringer - please note the spelling - is
>> called the X-Touch. Go here to read more about it:
>> http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X-TOUCH.aspx
>>
>> With considerably more buttons than the BCF2000 I currently own, I'm
>> definitely going to consider getting one of these.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> At 11:27 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Tell me about this Behinger  Kevin!
>>>
>>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>>
>>> > On Jun 16, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
>>> > The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price
>>> > tag.
>>> > The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the
>>> > same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy
>>> > with.
>>> > I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still
>>> > hate it.
>>> >
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

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Thanks so much sir chris, but please.
what other functions will it give us more than the bcf2000?
I

On 6/17/15, Chris Smart  wrote:
> The new control surface from Behringer - please note the spelling - is
> called the X-Touch. Go here to read more about it:
> http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X-TOUCH.aspx
>
> With considerably more buttons than the BCF2000 I currently own, I'm
> definitely going to consider getting one of these.
>
> Chris
>
> At 11:27 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> Tell me about this Behinger  Kevin!
>>
>> Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
>>
>> > On Jun 16, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>> >
>> > I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
>> > The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
>> > The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the
>> > same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
>> > I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still
>> > hate it.
>> >
>> > Kevin
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Chris Smart]

The new control surface from Behringer - please note the spelling - is
called the X-Touch. Go here to read more about it:

http://www.behringer.com/EN/products/X-TOUCH.aspx
With considerably more buttons than the BCF2000 I currently own, I'm
definitely going to consider getting one of these.
Chris
 
At 11:27 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
Tell me about this
Behinger  Kevin!
Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154
> On Jun 16, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Reeves
 wrote:
> 
> I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control
surface.
> The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price
tag.
> The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has
the same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy
with.
> I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still
hate it.
> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ricky Prevatte]

Tell me about this Behinger  Kevin!

Ricky Prevatte LMBT1154

> On Jun 16, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
> The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
> The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the same 
> faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
> I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still hate it.
> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Ok thanks for the help
But will my 'bcf 2000 will do the job or i must change it?
and what model do you recommend for pt and Voice over?


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> On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:43 AM, Chris Smart  wrote:
> 
> LOL they don't have tanks in your country?
> 
> The phrase "built like a tank" basically means built very well, strong, etc.
> 
> At 07:23 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
>> ok, but sorry what do you mean  by Like a tank?
>> 
>> 
>> and concerning the behrenger, will it be accessible for us? or what?
>> because the word touch make me worry?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/16/15, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
>> > I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
>> > The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
>> > The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the
>> > same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
>> > I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still
>> > hate it.
>> >
>> > Kevin
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Chris Smart]

hahahahaha
At 08:59 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
and to preempt any question down
the line, "built like a brick shit house" means the same
thing.
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and to preempt any question down the line, "built like a brick shit house" 
means the same thing.
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

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LOL they don't have tanks in your country?
The phrase "built like a tank" basically means built very well,
strong, etc.
At 07:23 PM 6/16/2015, you wrote:
ok, but sorry what do you
mean  by Like a tank?

and concerning the behrenger, will it be accessible for us? or what?
because the word touch make me worry?
Thanks

On 6/16/15, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control
surface.
> The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price
tag.
> The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has
the
> same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy
with.
> I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week.
Still
> hate it.
>
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

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Hi Ramy, "built like a tank" is an English expression. It refers to the 
military vehicle called a tank that is built to be strong, sturdy, solid and 
durable. So when Kevin says the Macki controlers are built like a tank, he is 
saying that the Macki control surfaces are strong, sturdy, solid, durable and 
built to last. Hope this explanation helps.

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> On 16 Jun 2015, at 21:31, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
> The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
> The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the same 
> faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
> I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still hate it.
> 
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

ok, but sorry what do you mean  by Like a tank?


and concerning the behrenger, will it be accessible for us? or what?
because the word touch make me worry?

Thanks



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> I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
> The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
> The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the
> same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
> I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still
> hate it.
>
> Kevin
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Re: Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

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I vote either Mackie or the new Behrenger X Touch control surface.
The artist mix doesn't give you enough features for the huge price tag.
The Mackie control is built like a tank, the Behrenger X touch has the 
same faders found in the x32, which tons of pros are really happy with.
I had to set up yet another artist mix for a client last week. Still 
hate it.


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Artis mix control surface, or mackie or what?

[Ramy Moustafa]

sorry for changing the subject but I think this will be more relevant
to my question.

I have now the bcf 2000, but am thinking to get something better like
artist mix.

but I need to ask you, will I get more accessibility if I will percious
the artist mix?
 I need your opinion,
will it provide more blug in accessibility?

please I need more explnations because no unites are here, I will
order the unit you suggest
Thanks

On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> Artest mix or artest controller?
> awhat is better that can bring accessibility to my pro tools with voice
> over?
>
>
>
>
> On 6/16/15, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> Hello all my friends.
>>
>> I decided to buy something to help me using pro tools, I have my BCF
>> 2000 midi controller. but I'm thinking of changing it.
>> what are your opinion?
>> what equipment
>> should I use? and will it help me more than bcf 2000? I need more
>> accessibility specially in effects etc?
>> please I need detailed explanation.
>>
>> Thanks
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