[pygame] PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
Hi everyone! I'm a hobby programmer and new to pygame. This is my first post to the list. I've been reading different docs and the the list archives to understand how best to move forward with experiments in image blending. The Surfarray tutorial on the docs page is excellent, but a little outdated. This seems to be a transitional period where the documentation and support for NumPy have not arrived and the pre-built Windows binaries for NumPy and Numeric don't support the latest python. As an alternative, can I just use pygame.PixelArray for all of my realtime blending needs? Is it too slow? If not, could anyone point me to some documentation on setting up a Windows build environment that will work for compiling pygame, python, and numpy together? Thanks very much for your help! Jordan
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. How does that work, exactly? Thanks, - Joe
[pygame] Re: PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
Hello again. I may have posted prematurely. It seems that the easiest thing for me to do is to just set up a Python2.4 + Numeric dev environment and wait for the incompatibilities to sort themselves out. I still welcome any of your suggestions too my previous questions. Thanks again. On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Jordan Applewhite jordan.applewh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I'm a hobby programmer and new to pygame. This is my first post to the list. I've been reading different docs and the the list archives to understand how best to move forward with experiments in image blending. The Surfarray tutorial on the docs page is excellent, but a little outdated. This seems to be a transitional period where the documentation and support for NumPy have not arrived and the pre-built Windows binaries for NumPy and Numeric don't support the latest python. As an alternative, can I just use pygame.PixelArray for all of my realtime blending needs? Is it too slow? If not, could anyone point me to some documentation on setting up a Windows build environment that will work for compiling pygame, python, and numpy together? Thanks very much for your help! Jordan
Re: [pygame] Re: How to render japanese characters with font?
In Python3 'u' is not needed for unicode text but apparently pygame hasn't been released for it yet (?). On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 8:40 PM, .kiro. kirot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi There , i did \o/ just put u , unicode before text. msg = uきろたわ , really easy. On Jan 4, 3:02 pm, leo kirotawa kirot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I wanna make a game that in screen show japanese characters, but I dont wanna make this with image. I wanted just do it with render font. But, its dont work right here, I tried and just show squares and never the characters. Already downloaded some fonts to japanese, but show just squares. Anyone have a solution? -- [DesenvolvedorWeb/CEFET/RN] [Ciências da Computação/UFRN] [Estudante de japonês nível 6] [Desenvolvedor em python, pygame] blog: corecode.wordpress.com/ Mais sábio é aquele que sabe que não sabe (Sócrates)
Re: [pygame] Re: PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
On, Mon Jan 05, 2009, Jordan Applewhite wrote: Hello again. I may have posted prematurely. It seems that the easiest thing for me to do is to just set up a Python2.4 + Numeric dev environment and wait for the incompatibilities to sort themselves out. I still welcome any of your suggestions too my previous questions. [...] Numpy and Numeric have several differences, but are - in their overall structure - similar. As you might have read, they support 3D access (R,G,B). In contrast to them, PixelArray supports only 2D access using the integer RGBA representation. if 2D access is enough for you, PixelArray should work well in 90 percent of all cases. It is optimised for the direct surface access, so that no performance loss through a 3rd party library is given. (Complex) Mathematical operations and manipulation however might perform better using Numpy and Numeric, especially in conjunction with the lapack/atlas (a highly efficient math library) bindings of Numpy. A better advice could be given, if you tell us your individual needs for the pixel operations you have to do. Regards Marcus pgpzZjFO7XruI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [pygame] Re: PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Jordan Applewhite jordan.applewh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again. I may have posted prematurely. It seems that the easiest thing for me to do is to just set up a Python2.4 + Numeric dev environment and wait for the incompatibilities to sort themselves out. I still welcome any of your suggestions too my previous questions. Thanks again. By the way, you do mean python2.5 right? Python 2.6 and 3.0 are not widely supported yet, but 2.5 is.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Joe Strout wrote: Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. How does that work, exactly? At least as of a little while ago, it was a Java applet that downloads the game executable and files to your machine and runs them without any form of protection. --Noah
Re: [pygame] Re: PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
Patrick Mullen wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Jordan Applewhite jordan.applewh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again. I may have posted prematurely. It seems that the easiest thing for me to do is to just set up a Python2.4 + Numeric dev environment and wait for the incompatibilities to sort themselves out. I still welcome any of your suggestions too my previous questions. Thanks again. By the way, you do mean python2.5 right? Python 2.6 and 3.0 are not widely supported yet, but 2.5 is. Which platform. On Windows there is a Pygame 1.8.1 installer for Python 2.6. And at http://www3.telus.net/len_l/pygame/ there are Pygame 1.9.0a0 and NumPy 1.2.1 installers. NumPy 1.3 should be released soon and it will support Python 2.6. As for the choice between Numeric and NumPy, NumPy is now preferable. It was decided that Numeric will no longer be actively supported. Lenard -- Lenard Lindstrom le...@telus.net
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Quoting Noah Kantrowitz n...@coderanger.net: On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Joe Strout wrote: Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. How does that work, exactly? At least as of a little while ago, it was a Java applet that downloads the game executable and files to your machine and runs them without any form of protection. --Noah It is the same as downloading and running the game yourself. It just eliminates clicks and deletes the files when you stop playing.
Re: [pygame] Bundling Pygame documents
Hi, go for it if you like :) Also, can you please include the test directory to be copied as well whilst you're there? (the tests will need to be refactored a little so they work within the pygame.test. name space... but the first step is to make sure the files are copied in) cheers, On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Lenard Lindstrom le...@telus.net wrote: Hi, If the Pygame documents are to be included as part of the Pygame installation is there any reason to continue producing document bundles? And who is taking responsibility for modifying setup.py to add the documents and examples? If it is not on anyone's schedule the I will have a look at it. Lenard -- Lenard Lindstrom le...@telus.net
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. James Paige has uploaded his PyGame game StegaVorto to GMArcade. To see the Play Game Online technology in action, just visit his game page: http://gmarcade.com/game/StegaVorto.html And on the left side of the page there will be a Play Game Online button. It will load and run the game just as if you downloaded it and ran it, and then delete the game when you are done playing. Thanks James! ~Matt
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz n...@coderanger.net wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Joe Strout wrote: Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. How does that work, exactly? At least as of a little while ago, it was a Java applet that downloads the game executable and files to your machine and runs them without any form of protection. This isn't so much different than downloading the game yourself and running it, is it? You still make the conscious decision to click on a specific game, with the knowledge that it'll do this.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Quoting Luke Paireepinart rabidpoob...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Noah Kantrowitz n...@coderanger.net wrote: On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Joe Strout wrote: Matt Kremer wrote: http://GMArcade.com provides Indie game developers with a means to upload and share their games. Our Play Game Online technology is new and improved, allowing all of your games to be played online without saving and keeping them on your computer. How does that work, exactly? At least as of a little while ago, it was a Java applet that downloads the game executable and files to your machine and runs them without any form of protection. This isn't so much different than downloading the game yourself and running it, is it? You still make the conscious decision to click on a specific game, with the knowledge that it'll do this. Exactly =)
Re: [pygame] Re: PixelArray versus Surfarray + Numeric/NumPy
Marcus: Thanks for illuminating the difference between PixelArray and Surfarray. I'm trying to learn how use additive blending effectively, so I think I can use either module. Patrick Lenard: Ok, I understand now that I should just use numpy. After I looked in the arraydemo.py example I could see that the the changes needed to use numpy were not very significant. Also, I'm finding this tutorial: http://www.scipy.org/Tentative_NumPy_Tutorial#head-b43db272311d8133ab8ba29b6e8ff921da5e792d to be very helpful. It seems like numpy would make it fun and easy to dynamically operate on tile maps, in addition to pixel surfaces. Many thanks, Jordan On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Lenard Lindstrom le...@telus.net wrote: Patrick Mullen wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Jordan Applewhite jordan.applewh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello again. I may have posted prematurely. It seems that the easiest thing for me to do is to just set up a Python2.4 + Numeric dev environment and wait for the incompatibilities to sort themselves out. I still welcome any of your suggestions too my previous questions. Thanks again. By the way, you do mean python2.5 right? Python 2.6 and 3.0 are not widely supported yet, but 2.5 is. Which platform. On Windows there is a Pygame 1.8.1 installer for Python 2.6. And at http://www3.telus.net/len_l/pygame/ there are Pygame 1.9.0a0 and NumPy 1.2.1 installers. NumPy 1.3 should be released soon and it will support Python 2.6. As for the choice between Numeric and NumPy, NumPy is now preferable. It was decided that Numeric will no longer be actively supported. Lenard -- Lenard Lindstrom le...@telus.net
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
I wouldn't want to be the person responsible when a game destroys someone's C: directory or even just installs a screensaver utility. Advertising Play Game Online gives users a false sense of security. Many kids, for example, are not allowed to download games; their parents restrict them to browser based games. You definitely need some sort of obvious notice that executables are running outside of a sandbox and can do absolutely anything they like to a user's system.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Quoting Aaron Maupin mau...@pastrytech.com: I wouldn't want to be the person responsible when a game destroys someone's C: directory or even just installs a screensaver utility. Advertising Play Game Online gives users a false sense of security. Many kids, for example, are not allowed to download games; their parents restrict them to browser based games. You definitely need some sort of obvious notice that executables are running outside of a sandbox and can do absolutely anything they like to a user's system. In browser games can do the same thing. I could add an About Play Game Online link that tells how the system works.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Quoting Aaron Maupin mau...@pastrytech.com: I wouldn't want to be the person responsible when a game destroys someone's C: directory or even just installs a screensaver utility. Advertising Play Game Online gives users a false sense of security. Many kids, for example, are not allowed to download games; their parents restrict them to browser based games. You definitely need some sort of obvious notice that executables are running outside of a sandbox and can do absolutely anything they like to a user's system. Okay, I have added a link About P.G.O. Technology under the PGO button. It contains a warning, and information to developers.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:55:01PM -0600, Matt Kremer wrote: Quoting Aaron Maupin mau...@pastrytech.com: I wouldn't want to be the person responsible when a game destroys someone's C: directory or even just installs a screensaver utility. Advertising Play Game Online gives users a false sense of security. Many kids, for example, are not allowed to download games; their parents restrict them to browser based games. You definitely need some sort of obvious notice that executables are running outside of a sandbox and can do absolutely anything they like to a user's system. In browser games can do the same thing. Flash sure can't, I don't know about Java. I could add an About Play Game Online link that tells how the system works. That would be good. --- James Paige
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com ~ The Friendly Game Host Community
Quoting James Paige b...@hamsterrepublic.com: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 05:55:01PM -0600, Matt Kremer wrote: Quoting Aaron Maupin mau...@pastrytech.com: I wouldn't want to be the person responsible when a game destroys someone's C: directory or even just installs a screensaver utility. Advertising Play Game Online gives users a false sense of security. Many kids, for example, are not allowed to download games; their parents restrict them to browser based games. You definitely need some sort of obvious notice that executables are running outside of a sandbox and can do absolutely anything they like to a user's system. In browser games can do the same thing. Flash sure can't, I don't know about Java. I could add an About Play Game Online link that tells how the system works. That would be good. --- James Paige Java can, as long as the user clicks Allow application to run (Just like the PGO technology). Also, I have added that link James :) You can check it out under the PGO button on all game pages.
[pygame] GMArcade.com User Questions You
Hello PyGame, Well after James Paige made two of his games available on GMArcade, one of our more active user alex_pof posted a question in our forums. Since James is the only PyGame user that I know of on GMArcade, I thought to extend his question to get a little more input for him. Here is a link to his topic: http://gmarcade.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_fireboardfunc=viewItemid=29id=775catid=5#775 Please don't reply here with answers though...I don't want to have to copy paste all of your answers. Just register on GMA, and the rest is simple. Doesn't take to long to register, and no verification is required. Thanks! ~Matt
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com User Questions You
Matt Kremer wrote: Please don't reply here with answers though...I don't want to have to copy paste all of your answers. Just register on GMA, and the rest is simple. Doesn't take to long to register, and no verification is required. I appreciate that you'd like to recruit forum members, but the simple (polite) solution is just to direct him to this mailing list.
Re: [pygame] GMArcade.com User Questions You
Quoting Aaron Maupin mau...@pastrytech.com: Matt Kremer wrote: Please don't reply here with answers though...I don't want to have to copy paste all of your answers. Just register on GMA, and the rest is simple. Doesn't take to long to register, and no verification is required. I appreciate that you'd like to recruit forum members, but the simple (polite) solution is just to direct him to this mailing list. Sounds good, I'll go post with the link. =)
Re: [pygame] extending pygame masks
Nirav Patel wrote: Sorry about the very long delay on this, but I finally committed Mike's convolve function and tests as revision 1796. Nirav Thanks! --Mike
[pygame] Pygame in Linux without X Windows
Hello all, I've got a Debian Linux system that I'm working with and I wondered if its possible for Pygame to do graphics without X-Windows installed? The system is being designed to run on a serial or network console but I'd still like to output select things to the monitor. Can Pygame do this without X-Windows installed? I thought it might be as simple as selecting the right mode for the video card and enabling full screen but I haven't had a chance to sit down and try it. Scott
