Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
Scheol Service wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Please hear me out. To: pygame-users@seul.org I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. Also maybe use PHPBB forum software or SMF software: See, the problem with a forum is: the people who are most likely to visit it often are the people looking for help. If there were a pygame forum on-line, I definitely wouldn't check it very often. But since I have an e-mail client, I have it set to check for new messages every minute. So I get a near-instant notification whenever someone needs help, and I don't have to spend any of my time looking round webpages or being irritated by how slowly everything loads. either the message is fully downloaded and I can read what the person has to say, or it's not in my inbox yet. and when I'm done with a reply, I just hit send and go about my business, confident that my e-mail client will send it on its own. On top of this, there are people like me who won't check the forums, and then there are people who will try to do both, and yet another group of people who only lurk on the forums. I.E. it will be even harder to find help that you need. Also, it sounds to me like you think that the pygame mailing list is for developers, but it's not. It's for anyone who has questions about pygame usage. I know I'm not involved in development at all, but I still try to answer questions when I can. Obviously, this is all my opinion. But I, for one, like things the way they are right now. Email me back ASAP No reason to put this here. If they're going to reply soon, they'll reply soon. This message tacked on to the end doesn't get you quicker replies, but it may be a thorn in some people's sides and get you fewer replies. Just a friendly observation :) -Luke
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
On 12/16/06, Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. what makes you think that a forum would help with getting questions answered right away compared to a mailing list? In my opinion, an email to a mailing list is read much sooner and more reliably than any forum posts. Plus I've never seen a forum that I didn't think was mostly off-topic. I'm curious too, do you have questions about using pygame that you want answered? If so, why don't you go ahead and ask them on the mailing list and see if you get a good answer? ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on?
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on? ^^ Please don't make false accusations about me. Its really disrespectful. Example of a great PHP help forum: http://phpfreaks.com On 12/17/06, Brian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/06, Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. what makes you think that a forum would help with getting questions answered right away compared to a mailing list? In my opinion, an email to a mailing list is read much sooner and more reliably than any forum posts. Plus I've never seen a forum that I didn't think was mostly off-topic. I'm curious too, do you have questions about using pygame that you want answered? If so, why don't you go ahead and ask them on the mailing list and see if you get a good answer? ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on?
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
Lamonte(Scheols/Demonic) wrote: ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on? ^^ Please don't make false accusations about me. Its really disrespectful. Please don't come on our mailing list and say your PHP forums are superior. It's really disrespectful. Example of a great PHP help forum: http://phpfreaks.com On 12/17/06, Brian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/06, Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. what makes you think that a forum would help with getting questions answered right away compared to a mailing list? In my opinion, an email to a mailing list is read much sooner and more reliably than any forum posts. Plus I've never seen a forum that I didn't think was mostly off-topic. I'm curious too, do you have questions about using pygame that you want answered? If so, why don't you go ahead and ask them on the mailing list and see if you get a good answer? ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on?
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
Luke Paireepinart wrote: Lamonte(Scheols/Demonic) wrote: ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on? ^^ Please don't make false accusations about me. Its really disrespectful. Please don't come on our mailing list and say your PHP forums are superior. It's really disrespectful. Just in case it wasn't obvious, I wasn't trying to be rude. I was being ironical _. I'm pretty sure that Brian was merely speculating on why you would be claiming that the forums would be better than the mailing list. On the internet you can expect much frankness and a distinct lack of 'tact', as some may call it. Others may call it bullshit. I quite like not having to get the run-around so often, and getting straight answers, which I have found on many occasions to be lacking in real life. Obviously, you can take offense at pretty much anything you want. If you are claiming that Brian was trying to offend you, that's not okay. If you want to be offended by him, that's fine, however. The point is the intent. Brian wasn't intending to offend you. Of course I am speaking for Brian when I shouldn't be, though I very much doubt that he was trying to be rude. This has also gone a bit off-topic. In any case, I have not seen any real defense of establishing a Pygame forum from you. You've given us a link to a great PHP help forum. Okay, that's nice. Here's a link to a great pygame help forum: a href=mailto:pygame-users@seul.org;pygame mailing list/a However, this would be using the term 'forum' how it's used in the English language, as a gathering of individuals for the purpose of discussing a specific topic, and not the internet-specific definition of a database with a website front-end that allows clients to communicate with each other by editing and adding entries in the database. (perhaps a strange way to think of an internet forum, but for the most part, accurate) So can I see some kind of rundown on the advantages/disadvantages that you think an internet forum has over a mailing list? Remember, the burden of proof is on you. You have to prove to us that a forum is a good idea. We don't have to prove to you that it isn't. Thanks for your time, hope you didn't think I was being rude. -Luke
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
who said its superiorI was giving an example. On 12/17/06, Luke Paireepinart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lamonte(Scheols/Demonic) wrote: ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on? ^^ Please don't make false accusations about me. Its really disrespectful. Please don't come on our mailing list and say your PHP forums are superior. It's really disrespectful. Example of a great PHP help forum: http://phpfreaks.com On 12/17/06, Brian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/06, Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. what makes you think that a forum would help with getting questions answered right away compared to a mailing list? In my opinion, an email to a mailing list is read much sooner and more reliably than any forum posts. Plus I've never seen a forum that I didn't think was mostly off-topic. I'm curious too, do you have questions about using pygame that you want answered? If so, why don't you go ahead and ask them on the mailing list and see if you get a good answer? ... or maybe you are some forum modder or developer who just wants to promote something you are working on?
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
Hi Harris Are you here to do any advertisements? Or do you offer a dev forum and then it would easier for you to copy from your desired forum to your dev forum? I dont know if the following forum is linked to Pygame mailing list (think so) but there you have a forum: http://aspn.activestate.com/ ASPN/Mail/ And now some advantages of this mailing system: - No login needed like in every other forum - You get the latest answers and questions automatically - You can ask anything about Pygame and no one is telling you you posted it in the wrong forum - You dont need to start your browser, head to the forum, login, search, etc. just starting email cleint Andt now I have two questions to you: 1. Who are the people you are talking about? 2. What is your Pygame question? (if you really have one) 3. Do you ever tried out this mail system before? If so you might realize that the answer tiime is decent fast. 4. Do you have any Pygame projects going and you cant hold the deadline if you dont get answers all the time right away? :) Please anser me ASAP Farai Am 17.12.2006 um 07:13 schrieb Scheol Service: -- Forwarded message -- From: Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Please hear me out. To: pygame-users@seul.org I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. Also maybe use PHPBB forum software or SMF software: phpbb.com and simplemachines.org and if you like to spend money try invisionpower.com for IPB forums. Please this will benifit alot of people. AND!! It could be the new deal for the 1.8 release of pygame. Just hear me out one time. Thank you. And if it doesn't go successful then you can dont agree to what I have to say. Thank you for reading this. Email me back ASAP Regards, Lamonte Harris.(scheols)
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
While I am giving you arguments for mailing lists and they work in a nice way you just headed in forcing a forum in your manner w/o any arguments, just that you like forums. Im so sorry to tell you the world is not turning around you. If you like such forums feel free to start one and prove me wrong. Btw. a forum is no guarantee for ASAP answers. Feel free to treat my answer as rude but this mailing list is in general filled with very nice ppl, so Im the exception. ;) Farai Am 17.12.2006 um 17:43 schrieb Lamonte(Scheols/Demonic): Since people tend to not like forums just say no its that easy. As I had my very one opinionated question that I wanted to see if anyone else agreed on and if no let it be so. On 12/17/06, Farai Aschwanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Harris Are you here to do any advertisements? Or do you offer a dev forum and then it would easier for you to copy from your desired forum to your dev forum? I dont know if the following forum is linked to Pygame mailing list (think so) but there you have a forum: http://aspn.activestate.com/ ASPN/Mail/ And now some advantages of this mailing system: - No login needed like in every other forum - You get the latest answers and questions automatically - You can ask anything about Pygame and no one is telling you you posted it in the wrong forum - You dont need to start your browser, head to the forum, login, search, etc. just starting email cleint Andt now I have two questions to you: 1. Who are the people you are talking about? 2. What is your Pygame question? (if you really have one) 3. Do you ever tried out this mail system before? If so you might realize that the answer tiime is decent fast. 4. Do you have any Pygame projects going and you cant hold the deadline if you dont get answers all the time right away? :) Please anser me ASAP Farai Am 17.12.2006 um 07:13 schrieb Scheol Service: -- Forwarded message -- From: Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Please hear me out. To: pygame-users@seul.org I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. Also maybe use PHPBB forum software or SMF software: phpbb.com and simplemachines.org and if you like to spend money try invisionpower.com for IPB forums. Please this will benifit alot of people. AND!! It could be the new deal for the 1.8 release of pygame. Just hear me out one time. Thank you. And if it doesn't go successful then you can dont agree to what I have to say. Thank you for reading this. Email me back ASAP Regards, Lamonte Harris.(scheols)
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
I don't see how that last message I sent was a flame. Anyways yep. It can stop now. Since I've seen the outcome. On 12/17/06, Jakub Piotr Cłapa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please stop this?! Two sentences should suffice so what's the point of this whole flame? 1. People who are used to mailing lists feel that MLs are superior and require less time to read. (if you don't share this opinion then try using an e-mail client with threading support (not GMail; sadly it's not the required kind of threads what they support)) 2. You can try with the forum but I guess a good WWW interface to mailing lists would be a better choice. Something like GMane.org threaded view but with posting support. -- regards, Jakub Piotr Cłapa
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
If this list is archived online then that should be sufficient. Most forum software is very annoying to use, though there are some exceptions. Jon Quoting Jakub Piotr CÅapa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could you please stop this?! Two sentences should suffice so what's the point of this whole flame? 1. People who are used to mailing lists feel that MLs are superior and require less time to read. (if you don't share this opinion then try using an e-mail client with threading support (not GMail; sadly it's not the required kind of threads what they support)) 2. You can try with the forum but I guess a good WWW interface to mailing lists would be a better choice. Something like GMane.org threaded view but with posting support. -- regards, Jakub Piotr CÅapa Come and visit Web Prophets Website at http://www.webprophets.net.au
Re: [pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
On 12/18/06, JoN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this list is archived online then that should be sufficient. It is: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Browse/Threaded/pygame-users Most forum software is very annoying to use, though there are some exceptions. Agreed. Personally I never use www-forums. Mostly because the UI is 99% horrible in everyone I've seen. Also, the search function usually sucks. A ML provides a better overview, since you can pick the mail-reader of your choice to do the sorting/searching etc. -- - Rikard.
[pygame] Fwd: Please hear me out.
-- Forwarded message -- From: Scheol Service [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 7, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Please hear me out. To: pygame-users@seul.org I know that there is a mailing list and etc.. for Pygame support but there are other people knowing answers to questions to some noobies like me have and others know the answers and the support team doesn't always have time to answer right away so im thinking if you can start a forums based bulletin board on the pygame.org site /forums for people to help people with there pygame questions. Also maybe use PHPBB forum software or SMF software: phpbb.com and simplemachines.org and if you like to spend money try invisionpower.com for IPB forums. Please this will benifit alot of people. AND!! It could be the new deal for the 1.8 release of pygame. Just hear me out one time. Thank you. And if it doesn't go successful then you can dont agree to what I have to say. Thank you for reading this. Email me back ASAP Regards, Lamonte Harris.(scheols)
