[python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
Hi, I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the talk at the Language Summit: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: * +1: you like the PEP * -1: you dislike the PEP * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon * don't reply to this poll :-) Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in February) :-) Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so the only one allowed to vote ;-) Victor ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1: dislike ( my rationale: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-April/152991.html ) Victor ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1: dislike Regards Antoine. Le 02/05/2018 à 11:49, Victor Stinner a écrit : > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > >https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > > The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. > > I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core > dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some > people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in > February) :-) > > Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the > one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so > the only one allowed to vote ;-) > > Victor > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On 2 May 2018 at 10:49, Victor Stinner wrote: > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: Do we really need this spilling over into yet another mailing list? Paul ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
2018-05-02 11:56 GMT+02:00 Paul Moore : > On 2 May 2018 at 10:49, Victor Stinner wrote: >> I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment >> Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the >> talk at the Language Summit: > > Do we really need this spilling over into yet another mailing list? I already saw polls on Twitter, but I don't know if I should trust Twitter polls because of the filter bubble. Moreover, this poll is restricted to core developers, so it's different. There will be a session about the PEP 572 next week at the Language Summit, but I'm afraid that the session may go in all directions since I didn't see any explicit agenda nor moderator yet: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-April/153250.html I would prefer to prepare the session to be more efficient. I also care of other topics discussed the Language Summit. The poll is also for the ones who will not be able to attend the Language Summit. By the way, the list of sessions is not available yet, Larry/Barry? https://us.pycon.org/2018/events/language-summit/ Victor ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
0: I will use it if it's accepted, but I'm not sure it's merit is enough for changing how Python code looks. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
0: this might be a handy feature, but I am not sure the dangers it introduces are adequate for the problem it solves. -- Ivan On 2 May 2018 at 11:06, INADA Naoki wrote: > 0: I will use it if it's accepted, but I'm not sure it's merit is enough > for changing how Python code looks. > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > >https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) -1 (I'd vote +1 if it was fully backwards-compatible.) --Berker ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
2018-05-02 11:49 GMT+02:00 Victor Stinner : > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) FYI if you want don't to spam python-committers list, you may reply to me in private. I will publish poll results at the end of the poll. Victor ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 in the current form, since an expression such as [y := f(x), x/y] ... is confusing (I'd read this as [y := (f(x), x/y)] Using explicit parens around it would resolve this issue: [(y := f(x)), x/y] ... but even with that, I'm not excited about the additional line noise this adds - there's a reason why we have for-loops in the language after all, explicit is better than having to look thrice, etc. etc. :-) Cheers, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, May 02 2018) >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ http://www.malemburg.com/ On 02.05.2018 11:49, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > >https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > > The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. > > I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core > dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some > people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in > February) :-) > > Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the > one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so > the only one allowed to vote ;-) > > Victor > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On 2 May 2018 at 19:49, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > >https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > -1 from me (on "too much pain for not enough gain" grounds). Regards, Nick. P.S. I quite liked the initial "expr as name" version with subscopes, but those aspects were changed based on reasonable concerns raised on python-ideas, and I think the discussion of the simplified proposal on python-dev has also raised sufficient further concerns to push the whole concept back into python-ideas territory. (I do think the discussions have clarified the nature of the cases where the current lack of any form of inline binding support can be genuinely irritating, though) -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
FWIW, -1 from me. At least with the PEP as it stands. Paul ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) -1 ...and thanks for specifically asking for no elaboration. I was tempted. :) -eric ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM Eric Snow wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > > > * +1: you like the PEP > > * -1: you dislike the PEP > > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > -1 > ...and thanks for specifically asking for no elaboration. I was tempted. :) > -eric > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ -- Yury ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
+0.5 Stefan Krah ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
> * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) +1 ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
+1 On 2 May, 2018, at 10:49, Victor Stinner mailto:vstin...@redhat.com>> wrote: * +1: you like the PEP * -1: you dislike the PEP * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon * don't reply to this poll :-) ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > >https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > > The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. > > I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core > dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some > people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in > February) :-) > > Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the > one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so > the only one allowed to vote ;-) > > Victor > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 -- Best regards, Łukasz Langa > On May 2, 2018, at 2:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > talk at the Language Summit: > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > > The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. > > I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core > dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some > people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in > February) :-) > > Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the > one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so > the only one allowed to vote ;-) > > Victor > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 -Stefan > > On May 2, 2018, at 2:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment > > Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the > > talk at the Language Summit: > > > > https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ > > > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > > > * +1: you like the PEP > > * -1: you dislike the PEP > > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) > > > > The poll will end next Tuesday, May 8, the day before the Language Summit. > > > > I propose a poll because I'm unable to track the opinion of each core > > dev, too many emails have been sent to python-dev, and maybe some > > people changed their mind during the long discussion (which started in > > February) :-) > > > > Note: Obviously, it's just a poll, not a vote. Guido van Rossum is the > > one who will pronounce himself on the PEP, to accept to reject it, so > > the only one allowed to vote ;-) > > > > Victor > > ___ > > python-committers mailing list > > python-committers@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1 -- Julien Palard https://mdk.fr ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
02.05.18 12:49, Victor Stinner пише: The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: * +1: you like the PEP * -1: you dislike the PEP * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon * don't reply to this poll :-) Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) -1: dislike I will not use it if it's accepted, and likely will not make reviews of patches that use it. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
02.05.18 23:27, Serhiy Storchaka пише: I will not use it if it's accepted, and likely will not make reviews of patches that use it. I meant that this feature looks so bad to me, that it will be painful to me even to read a Python code that uses it. ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On 5/2/2018 5:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: You asked two different questions, hence two answers. 1. The title asks "Do I like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions"? Yes, at least +.5, and if forced, I might well round up to 1. The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: 2. However, the PEP itself also contains an only loosely related and inadequately discussed proposal to change comprehension scoping semantics (I presume before we are done with 2.7) and possibly break existing code without a deprecation period. I think all 3 aspects of this are wrong. Hence I am -1 on this part of the PEP and the PEP as a whole. I think some, but not all, of other answers are influenced by which version of the question a person is answering. TJR ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
On 02May2018 0249, Victor Stinner wrote: * +1: you like the PEP * -1: you dislike the PEP I love the PEP, it's one of the better ones for sure. :) I just don't like the proposed change. -1 Cheers, Steve ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
I'd very much like the feature, but not sure that the proposed change is a good fit today. -Rob On 2 May 2018 at 22:13, Victor Stinner wrote: > 2018-05-02 11:56 GMT+02:00 Paul Moore : >> On 2 May 2018 at 10:49, Victor Stinner wrote: >>> I would like to start a poll on Chris Angelico's PEP 572 "Assignment >>> Expressions", restricted to Python core developers, to prepare the >>> talk at the Language Summit: >> >> Do we really need this spilling over into yet another mailing list? > > I already saw polls on Twitter, but I don't know if I should trust > Twitter polls because of the filter bubble. Moreover, this poll is > restricted to core developers, so it's different. > > There will be a session about the PEP 572 next week at the Language > Summit, but I'm afraid that the session may go in all directions since > I didn't see any explicit agenda nor moderator yet: > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-April/153250.html > > I would prefer to prepare the session to be more efficient. I also > care of other topics discussed the Language Summit. > > The poll is also for the ones who will not be able to attend the > Language Summit. > > By the way, the list of sessions is not available yet, Larry/Barry? > > https://us.pycon.org/2018/events/language-summit/ > > Victor > ___ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
Re: [python-committers] Poll: Do you like the PEP 572 Assignment Expressions?
-1: dislike > On May 2, 2018, at 2:49 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: > > The poll is on the *current* PEP. I propose 4 choices: > > * +1: you like the PEP > * -1: you dislike the PEP > * 0: you are not sure if you like it or not, or you have no opinon > * don't reply to this poll :-) > > Just reply to this email with "+1", "0", "-1". Please don't elaborate > here, it's just a quick poll, use python-dev if you want to talk :-) ___ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
