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Re: python coding contest
On 27 Dec 2005 09:24:44 GMT, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott David Daniels wrote: I definitively need a new algorythm. g And I am sadly stuck at 169. Not even spitting distance from 149 (which sounds like a non-cheat version). Throw it away and start again with a fresh (clean) solution. That's what I did when I'd reached the limit of nested maps and lambdas at 150 characters. I'm now on 134 characters and the solution is very nearly legible. (Frustratingly, I'm away for the next few days, so I may not get a chance to submit my solution). It would be a nice idea to come up with a scoring system which better reflects Python's ideals. For example, use the parser in Python to count up various syntactic elements, score 0 for comments, indents, dedents, newlines, docstrings, 1 for each name or operation used and higher scores for things like lambda or overly complex expressions. [23:28] C:\pywk\clp\seven\pycontest_01py24 test.py . -- Ran 1 test in 0.391s OK [23:28] C:\pywk\clp\seven\pycontest_01wc -lc seven_seg.py 2136 seven_seg.py 2 lines, 136 chars including unix-style lineseps (is that cheating on windows?) No imports. Guess I'll have to try another tack ;-/ Regards, Bengt Richter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Tim Hochberg wrote: py pan wrote: When you guys say 127~150 characters, did you guys mean usinging test_vectors.py in some way? Or there's no import at all? No import at all. The shortest solution reported so far is 131 characters. Getting down to 127 is just a guess as to where the lower bound is likely to be. Note that in principle it's possible to encode the data for how to display a digit in one byte. Thus it's at least theoretically possible to condense all of the information about the string into a string that's 10 bytes long. In practice it turns out to be hard to do that, since a 10 byte string will generally have a representation that is longer than 10 bytes because of the way the escape sequences get printed out. As a result various people seem to be encoding the data in long integers of one sort or another. The data is then extracted using some recipe involving shifts and s. -tim Condensing is good but only as far as code for decompressing is small... By the way, after I noticed that I program for 2.3, I tried with 2.4 and get out extra characters thanks for generator expression and .join() integration. So now I am at 147. Probably a lot of reserve as I have 3 fors... One for just for the purpose of getting a name: ...x for x in [scalar] Probably its time rething solution from scratch... Roman Susi -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: sorting with expensive compares?
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:47:17 +1100, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:10:22 +, Dan Stromberg wrote: I'm treating each file as a potentially very large string, and sorting the strings. Which is a very strange thing to do, but I'll assume you have a good reason for doing so. I believe what the original poster wants to do is eliminate duplicate content from a collection of ogg/whatever files with different names. E.g., he has a python script that goes out and collects all the free music it can find on the web. The same song may appear on many sites under different names, and he wants only one copy of a given song. In any case, as others have pointed out, sorting by MD5 is sufficient except in cases far less probable than hardware failure - and deliberate collisions. E.g., the RIAA creates collision pairs of MP3 files where one member carries a freely redistributable license, and the other a copy this and we'll sue your ass off license in an effort to trap the unwary. -- Stuart D. Gathman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis - background song for a Microsoft sponsored Where do you want to go from here? commercial. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Timing out arbitrary functions
AOP would be a quite elegant way set timeouts for functions, in my opinion. The nice thing in it is that, in principle, you can write a single timeout advice code and then wrap it over any function you want to timeout. I wrote timeout_advice.py to demonstrate this a couple of years ago (see http://www.cs.tut.fi/~ask/aspects/aspects.html). It may not directly solve the problem at hand because it is thought to be used with a wrap_around implementation that wraps methods in classes rather than ordinary functions in modules. urllib.URLopener.open is used as an example in the code. Unfortunately, I still have not implemented the wrapping for ordinary functions, although it should be straight-forward with the same idea that is explained in the web page. Of course, in the real life, timeouts are tricky and dangerous. The consequences of interrupting a function that is not designed to be interrupted, or leaving it running in the background after the timeout (which is what timeout_advice.py does) may be surprising. -- Antti Kervinen -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Christian Tismer wrote: And then help me to setup a different contest about content -- chris Count me in. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Patch : doct.merge
Here's method 3 :
# Python 2.3 (no generator expression)
a.update([(k,v) for k,v in b.iteritems() if k not in a])
# Python 2.4 (with generator expression)
a.update((k,v) for k,v in b.iteritems() if k not in a)
It's a bit cleaner but still less efficient than using what's already
in the PyDict_Merge C API. It's even less efficient than method 1 and 2
! Here is the benchmark I used :
import timeit
init = '''a = dict((i,i) for i in xrange(1000) if i%2==0); b =
dict((i,i+1) for i in xrange(1000))'''
t = timeit.Timer('''for k in b:\n\tif k not in a:\n\t\ta[k] =
b[k]''',init)
print 'Method 1 : %.3f'%t.timeit(1)
t = timeit.Timer('''temp = dict(b); temp.update(a); a = temp''',init)
print 'Method 2 : %.3f'%t.timeit(1)
t = timeit.Timer('''a.update((k,v) for k,v in b.iteritems() if k not in
a)''',init)
print 'Method 3 : %.3f'%t.timeit(1)
t = timeit.Timer('''a.merge(b)''',init)
print 'Using dict.merge() : %.3f'%t.timeit(1)
Here are the results :
Method 1 : 5.315
Method 2 : 3.855
Method 3 : 7.815
Using dict.merge() : 1.425
So using generator expressions is a bad idea, and using the new
dict.merge() method gives an appreciable performance boost (~ x 3.73
here).
Regards,
Nicolas
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Re: [EVALUATION] - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: cut So I guess you volunteer http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html ? I volunteer and contribute already (with a general validity and python specific analysis) A mediator should communicate the findings and suggestion (after verifying them) to the responsibles / community: http://lazaridis.com/efficiency/process.html#mediator This would include to pass the relevant ones to the list you've mentioned: http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html - TAG.efficiency.process.mediator Last time I checked a mediator otherwise known to me as a communication manager, is only effective when he/she is recognized as authoritative by the participating group _and_ him/herself. As from other posts I read that the last part is the issue, well since this is a voluntary bunch of people with a slightly social democratic architecture you fall back on spokesman and that can be anybody, including or perhaps even especially you. The only thing that holds you theoretically back is acknowledged authority by the participating group _and_ yourself and of course the resource for restricted information. For the first part you got my vote, for second, well that should grow in time. -- mph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
getting the status codes from the ftplib module
I'm writing a simple python code that will upload files onto a ftp server. Everything's fine and working great except that the script I wrote don't know is an upload is successful or not. Is there a way to obtain the ftp status codes with this module? Thanks in advance! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: getting the status codes from the ftplib module
Alvin A. Delagon wrote: I'm writing a simple python code that will upload files onto a ftp server. Everything's fine and working great except that the script I wrote don't know is an upload is successful or not. Is there a way to obtain the ftp status codes with this module? Thanks in advance! the module raises an exception if something fails. if you didn't get an exception, everything worked as expected. most methods, including the storlines and storbinary methods, also return the status code. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
I just found a 125 character solution. It's actually faster and more readable than the 133 character solution (though it's still obscure.) It depends on Python 2.4. If Python 2.3 compatibility is required for the contest, I have to add 4 characters. Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] pycontest_01]$ wc -c seven_seg.py 125 seven_seg.py [EMAIL PROTECTED] pycontest_01]$ python test.py . -- Ran 1 test in 0.084s OK -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: getting the status codes from the ftplib module
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: python bug in this list implementation? (Fredrik Lundh)
2. Re: python coding contest (Bengt Richter)
3. Re: python coding contest (Roman Susi)
4. Re: sorting with expensive compares? (Stuart D. Gathman)
5. Re: Timing out arbitrary functions (antti kervinen)
6. Re: python coding contest (Duncan Booth)
7. Re: Patch : doct.merge (Nicolas Lehuen)
8. Re: [EVALUATION] - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van
Rossum, PSF (Martin P. Hellwig)
9. getting the status codes from the ftplib module (Alvin A. Delagon)
10. Re: getting the status codes from the ftplib module
(Fredrik Lundh)
Subject:
Re: python bug in this list implementation?
From:
"Fredrik Lundh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:
Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:50:47 +0100
To:
python-list@python.org
To:
python-list@python.org
Chris Smith wrote:
I've been working on some multi-dimensional lists and I've encountered some
very strange behaviour in what appears to be simple code, I'm using python
2.4.2 and IDLE. If anyone can tell me why it's behaving so strange please
let me know, any improvements to my general coding style are also
appreciated.
code below:
import sys
import copy
grid = []
oGrid = []
sGrid = []
def createGrid():
f = open(r"...sudoku.txt", "rb") ## see attached for the file.
for line in f:
aLine = line.strip().split(',')
if aLine != [""]:
for i in xrange(len(aLine)):
aLine[i] = int(aLine[i])
grid.append(aLine)
at this point, grid contains a list of lists.
oGrid = copy.deepcopy(grid)
if you assign to a name inside a function, that name is considered to be
*local*, unless you specify otherwise. in other words, this doesn't touch
the *global* (module-level) oGrid variable.
sGrid.append(copy.deepcopy(grid))
here you add a list of lists to a list. the result is a list with a single item.
def printGrid():
print "original grid:"
for line in oGrid:
print line#why doesn't this print anything?
because the *global* oGrid is still empty.
print "S grid:"
for line in sGrid:
print line #this prints the grid but the formatting is all over the
place.
because sGrid contains a single item; a copy of your original grid.
print "Iteration grid: "
for line in grid:
print line #works fine!
as expected.
I suggest reading up on list methods and global variables in your favourite
python tutorial.
also read:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#id3001405
/F
Subject:
Re: python coding contest
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter)
Date:
Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:09:51 GMT
To:
python-list@python.org
To:
python-list@python.org
On 27 Dec 2005 09:24:44 GMT, Duncan Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scott David Daniels wrote:
I definitively need a new algorythm. g
And I am sadly stuck at 169. Not even spitting distance from 149 (which
sounds like a non-cheat version).
Throw it away and start again with a fresh (clean) solution. That's what I
did when I'd reached the limit of nested maps and lambdas at 150
characters. I'm now on 134 characters and the solution is very nearly
legible. (Frustratingly, I'm away for the next few days, so I may not get a
chance to submit my solution).
It would be a nice idea to come up with a scoring system which better
reflects Python's ideals. For example, use the parser in Python to count up
various syntactic elements, score 0 for comments, indents, dedents,
newlines, docstrings, 1 for each name or operation used and higher scores
for things like lambda or overly complex expressions.
[23:28] C:\pywk\clp\seven\pycontest_01py24 test.py
.
--
Ran 1 test in 0.391s
OK
[23:28] C:\pywk\clp\seven\pycontest_01wc -lc seven_seg.py
2136 seven_seg.py
2 lines, 136 chars
Re: help with lists and writing to file in correct order
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:11:59 -0800, homepricemaps wrote: hey steven-your examlpe was very helpful. is there a paragraph symbolg missing in fp.write(Food = %s, store = %s, price = %s\n % triplet No, but there is a closing bracket missing: fp.write(Food = %s, store = %s, price = %s\n % triplet) -- Steven. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python bug in this list implementation?
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:29:41 +, Chris Smith wrote: Hi, I've been working on some multi-dimensional lists and I've encountered some very strange behaviour in what appears to be simple code, I'm using python 2.4.2 and IDLE. If anyone can tell me why it's behaving so strange please let me know, any improvements to my general coding style are also appreciated. How about some advice about how to ask smart questions? *What* is so strange about the behaviour -- what are you expecting? You shouldn't expect people to read your mind and guess what behaviour you expect, you should say I expect X Y and Z, but I get A B and C instead. In the future, you may not have somebody like Fredrik willing to read your code trying to guess what you think it should do. code below: import sys import copy grid = [] oGrid = [] sGrid = [] Using global variables is not usually recommended. It is usually better to pass local variables from function to function. That will avoid the bugs which your code has, which Fredrik has already pointed out. def createGrid(): f = open(r...sudoku.txt, rb) ## see attached for the file. Why do you need a raw string? It isn't wrong to do one, but it is rather unusual and unnecessary. [snip] oGrid = copy.deepcopy(grid) sGrid.append(copy.deepcopy(grid)) Why are you doing deepcopies of the lists? That seems to be unnecessary. Oh, another bit of advice: any time you think you've found a bug in Python, it almost always is a bug in your code. -- Steven. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Python obfuscation
Chris Mellon schrieb: There is a company who is developing and marketing a single application. It is a simulation software for industrial processes which embodies an enormous amount of knowledge accumulated by the hard work of many individuals since about twenty years, algorithmic, process, implementation, market knowlegde. This application is of great value to the customers because it helps them save lots of money and improve the quality of their products. No wonder that they have (and are willing) to pay a considerable price for it. You just described UNIX, which has been all but replaced by open source projects, and the general state of the operating system market a few decades ago. No, I didn't describe UNIX. UNIX and OSs in general are software which is needed by everybody who is using a computer. You have many developers all over the world willing to contribute. But the software I mentioned is a highly specialized field with a (compared to OS users) a tiny number of customers and a degree of complexity at least the same as an OS. So I think that an OSS model wouldn't work here. Also using UNIX as an example is qustionable here because of its special history. UNIX was to a large extent developed in academic environments and later closed sourced by ATT at a time when much OS specific knowledge was available in universities. If the company would decide to go open source it would be dead very soon because it wouldn't no longer have a competitive advantage. Most customers wouldn't see the necessity to pay high prices, the competition would use the source code in their own products, the earnings would fall rapidly and there wouldn't be enough money availabe to pay highly skilled developpers, engineers and scientists for continued development. In certain sense suppliers and customers ARE enemies because they have different interests. The customer will pay a price only if it is neccessary to get the product. If he can get it legally for nothing he won't pay anything or at least not enough. So please: continue praising OSS (as I do) but don't make ideological claims that it fits everywhere. You're looking at the wrong things here. What you're describing is actually a potentially very successfull open source project Successful for whom? - many companies, single source, highly technical, high price. An open source project could easily succeed in this area. Of course, it would not be in the interest of the current monopoly supplier to open source thier product. The supplier doesn't have a monopoly. He has competition but the supplier started first, has always been the pacemaker and has therefore an advance. His revenues are based on this advance. If somebody would suggest him to go open source - what would be the advantage for him? Doing business is a game, games are about winning and it isn't realistic to tell a player to commit suicide. But a third party that started such a project could quite possibly succeed. There are several 3rd parties all with closed source :) If an OSS 3rd party would enter the game it would have to answer the question how to fund the development. To succeed the OSS player would have to catch up to its closed source competitors. This is anything but easy - there is a lot of knowlegde (a crucial part of it not available for the public) to be worked out. The developers have to earn money, who pays them? I think a lot of people believe OSS isn't about money. This is wrong. Either OSS developers are working in their spare time for their own pleasure. This puts some limits on their projects. Or they are working all the day on OSS projects. Then they have to be paid, e.g. by academic institutions (tax payer) or by companies like IBM and Novell who are funding OSS because they have appropriate business models. There's nothing wrong about this. But to pretend that OSS miraculously solves the money problem for consumers _and_ producers is wrong IMO. There are conditions for OSS for to succeed. It is worthwile to get to know these conditions. To claim that there are no conditions at all and OSS is successful by itself is certainly not true. Peter Maas, Aachen -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
csv module
hello, I'm using cvs standard module under Python 2.3 / 2.4 to write a file delimited with tabs. I use the excel-tab dialect to do that. To read my CSV file, I choose to 'sniff' with a sample data in order to get the dialect. The problem I meet is that I get a wrong dialect: the sniffer return an empty string delimiter. It is probably a bug in _guess_delimiter() method. The message I obtain is: TypeError: bad argument type for built-in operation Do you know a way to sniff tab-delimited data ? Is it a known bug ? Bye. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
csv.Sniffer: wrong detection of the end of line delimiter
hello,
I'm using cvs standard module under Python 2.3 / 2.4 to read a CSV
file. The file is opened in binary mode, so I keep the end of line
terminator.
It appears that the csv.Sniffer force the line terminator to be
'\r\n'. It's fine under Windows but wrong under Linux or
Macintosh.
More about this line terminator: Potential bug in the
_guess_delimiter() method.
The first line of code does a wrong splitting:
data = filter(None, data.split('\n'))
It doesn't take care of the real line terminator!
Here is a patch (not a perfect one):
# --- begin of patch ---
class PatchedSniffer(csv.Sniffer):
def __init__(self):
csv.Sniffer.__init__(self)
def sniff(self, p_data, p_delimiters = None):
t_dialect = csv.Sniffer.sniff(self, p_data, p_delimiters)
t_dialect.lineterminator = self._guessLineTerminator(p_data)
return t_dialect
def _guessLineTerminator(self, p_data):
for t_lineTerminator in ['\r\n', '\n', '\r']:
if t_lineTerminator in p_data:
return t_lineTerminator
else:
return '\r\n' # Windows default (Excel)
def _formatDataForGuess(self, p_data):
t_lineTerminator = self._guessLineTerminator(p_data)
return '\n'.join(p_data.split(t_lineTerminator))
def _guess_delimiter(self, p_data, p_delimiters):
t_data = self._formatDataForGuess(p_data)
(t_delimiter, t_skipInitialSpace) = \
csv.Sniffer._guess_delimiter(self, t_data, p_delimiters)
if t_delimiter == '' and '\t' in p_data:
t_delimiter = '\t'
return (t_delimiter, t_skipInitialSpace)
# --- end of patch ---
Bye.
--- Laurent.
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Re: csv module
Laurent Laporte wrote: I'm using cvs standard module under Python 2.3 / 2.4 to write a file delimited with tabs. I use the excel-tab dialect to do that. To read my CSV file, I choose to 'sniff' with a sample data in order to get the dialect. The problem I meet is that I get a wrong dialect: the sniffer return an empty string delimiter. It is probably a bug in _guess_delimiter() method. The message I obtain is: TypeError: bad argument type for built-in operation Do you know a way to sniff tab-delimited data ? Is it a known bug ? http://www.python.org/sf/1157169 /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
viewcvs 1.0 dev
Does anyone know the status of the svn handling version of viewCVS. It seems to have disappeared from sourceforge and no mention is made of it on the new tigris site. -- Robin Becker -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [EVALUATION] - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: Martin P. Hellwig wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: cut So I guess you volunteer http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html ? I volunteer and contribute already (with a general validity and python specific analysis) A mediator should communicate the findings and suggestion (after verifying them) to the responsibles / community: http://lazaridis.com/efficiency/process.html#mediator This would include to pass the relevant ones to the list you've mentioned: http://www.python.org/psf/volunteer.html - TAG.efficiency.process.mediator Last time I checked a mediator otherwise known to me as a communication manager, is only effective when he/she is recognized as authoritative by the participating group _and_ him/herself. ok As from other posts I read that the last part is the issue, well since this is a voluntary bunch of people with a slightly social democratic architecture you fall back on spokesman and that can be anybody, including or perhaps even especially you. ok The only thing that holds you theoretically back is acknowledged authority by the participating group _and_ yourself and of course the resource for restricted information. what do you mean by resource for restricted information? For the first part you got my vote, for second, well that should grow in time. second part = resource for restricted information ? - (you can use private email if you prefere. If so, I will post an summary back to the thread). - [sidenote: I am currently preparing diagramms, which will demonstrate the several processes more clearly.] . -- http://lazaridis.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: MySQLdb Python API: Unable to connect
Hi all, Frederik is right. The hyphen in the port number was inserted when i copied and pasted the error message. i used the port number 3306 (three three zero six). I am sorry about this, but i forgot to mention that my os is Windows XP. MySQL is installed on my machine itself. Its using port 3306. 'Root' is the only user. I have tried to connect by omitting the port argument.I have tried by removing the password also. And I do take care to start an instance of the server before trying to connect to it. But I keep getting the same error message. I hope someone can enlighten me Regards Mondal -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Microsoft's JavaScript doc's newfangled problem
In comp.lang.perl.misc Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If (1), then it would be a fucking incompetence of inordinate order. If Have you ever thought that your cross-postings are incompetence of inordinate order? Of course not since you are a troll. Axel -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: predicting function calls?
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:53:18 -0500, Roy Smith wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but I'll ask it just in case there's something I hadn't considered... I'm working on a python interface to a OODB. Communication with the DB is over a TCP connection, using a model vaguely based on CORBA. I'll be creating object handles in Python which are proxies for the real objects in the database by doing something like: handle = connection.getObjectHandle (className, instanceName) Objects can have attributes (data) and operations associated with them. It would be very convenient to use the . syntax to access both of these, i.e. be able to say: print handle.someAttribute print handle.someOperation (arg1, arg2) I'm using __getattr__() to process both of these constructs, and herein lies the rub; I need to do different things depending on whether the name is an attribute or an operation. [snip] It would be really nice if I had some way to find out, from inside __getattr__(), if the value I'm about to return will get called as a function (i.e., the name is followed by an open paren). How do you decide whether handle.foo should be treated as an attribute or an operation? If your object has an attribute foo, then what should you do when somebody calls handle.foo()? That is, they treat an attribute as if it were an operation? And vice versa. In other words, it is not sufficient to know whether handle.foo is being used as a operation or an attribute, but you need to know whether it *should* be called as an operation or an attribute. -- Steven. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Shane Hathaway wrote: I just found a 125 character solution. It's actually faster and more readable than the 133 character solution (though it's still obscure.) It depends on Python 2.4. If Python 2.3 compatibility is required for the contest, I have to add 4 characters. I asked, 2.4 is OK. Drat: I had a 128 char solution I was keeping in reserve. Now it's back to the drawing board -tim -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Problem installing libxml2dom on windows
I had installed libxml2 for python (libxml2-python-2.6.22.win32-py2.4) on WINDOWS. For having dom support I am installing libxml2dom (0.3). My python version on win is 2.4 but when I give run the install as: python setup.py install I get following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File setup.py, line 5, in ? import libxml2dom File C:\Python24\libxml2dom-0.3\libxml2dom\__init__.py, line 9, in ? from libxml2dom.macrolib import * File C:\Python24\libxml2dom-0.3\libxml2dom\macrolib\__init__.py, line 9, in ? from libxml2dom.macrolib.macrolib import * File C:\Python24\libxml2dom-0.3\libxml2dom\macrolib\macrolib.py, line 8, in ? import libxml2mod ImportError: No module named libxml2mod --- It cant find libxml2mod package. I suppose it installs with libxml2. Am I right? From where I will get this package for WINDOWS? Plz, tell me the site. I tried googling but it didnt give me any links for download. Can any one help. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Robin Becker schrieb: Does anyone know the status of the svn handling version of viewCVS. http://viewvc.tigris.org/index.html -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Problem installing libxml2dom on windows
ankit wrote: From where I will get this package for WINDOWS? Plz, tell me the site. I tried googling but it didnt give me any links for download. first hit for libxml2 python 2.4: http://users.skynet.be/sbi/libxml-python/ (can also be found two clicks away from the download link on the libxml2 home page) /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
ANN: xmldict 1.1
As it seems that few people are actually using this, I've made a small update to xmldict library, available here: http://ivoras.sharanet.org/xmldict.py.gz Some border-cases involving empty tags and atributes are resolved, and examples are updated. WHAT IS IT -- It's a very small (8KB, possibly 6KB without comments examples) pure python parser for XML data. It doesn't care about fancy things like validation, and will probably break in silly ways on malformed input. Its only goal is to convert simple XML into nested dictionary-like structures. You'd be crazy to use it instead of a real parser for arbitrary XML, but it's perfect for parsing configuration files and the occasional XML-based network protocol. It uses only sys and re libraries, but can easily be reworked to be self-sufficient. Again, test carefully before use, no gurantees that it will work, etc. Happy hollidays! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: fetching images from web?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i want to automate some tasks of gathering photos from web, i tried urllib/urllib2, both ended up without much success (saved gifs with only a border, nothing else).. the code i used was: data = urllib2.urlopen(http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/img/komodo_aspn_other.gif;) #was looking through cookbook, so i used that as a sample image data = data.read() file = open(f:/test.gif, w) file.write(data) file.close() can someone suggest a better way (or what's wrong with urllib/urllib2)? thanks alot! fetching images from web is my little hobby (but i dont know, if you want fetch this kind of images). i sending my little script. import urllib for i in range(25,286,1): if i100: n='0'+str(i) else: n=str(i) for j in range(16): if j10: o='0'+str(j) else: o=str(j) s='used for error detecting' url='http://www.paradisetoons.com/ima/toon'+str(i)+'/p'+str(j)+'.jpg' fil='e:/pics/xxz37/prtn_'+n+'_'+o+'.jpg' try: s=urllib.urlopen(url).readline(6) except: print '' if s.lower()=='html': print 'file '+url+' does not exist' else: print 'downloading file: '+url urllib.urlretrieve(url,fil) any sugestions for doing this better? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: I want to exclude an expression of a sequence of charecters with regex
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Re: csv module
Laurent To read my CSV file, I choose to 'sniff' with a sample data in Laurent order to get the dialect. The problem I meet is that I get a Laurent wrong dialect: the sniffer return an empty string delimiter. It Laurent is probably a bug in _guess_delimiter() method. Laurent The message I obtain is: Laurent TypeError: bad argument type for built-in operation Laurent Do you know a way to sniff tab-delimited data ? Laurent Is it a known bug ? Using a file with the following contents: open(tabber.csv, rb).read() '1\t2\tabc\n3\t4\tdef\n' I get: sniffer = csv.Sniffer() d = sniffer.sniff(open(tabber.csv, rb).read()) d.delimiter '\t' Can you provide a concrete example (preferably in a bug report on SF)? Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: csv module
me Using a file with the following contents: me open(tabber.csv, rb).read() me '1\t2\tabc\n3\t4\tdef\n' me I get: me sniffer = csv.Sniffer() me d = sniffer.sniff(open(tabber.csv, rb).read()) me d.delimiter me '\t' BTW, this also seems to work with a Mac-style EOL: open(tabber.csv, rb).read() '1\t2\tabc\r3\t4\tdef\r' d = sniffer.sniff(open(tabber.csv, rb).read()) d.delimiter '\t' Perhaps this has been fixed in CVS. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Uwe Hoffmann wrote: Robin Becker schrieb: Does anyone know the status of the svn handling version of viewCVS. http://viewvc.tigris.org/index.html unfortunately there's no mention of svn handling there and the files only show 0.9[.x] versions. -- Robin Becker -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
some suggestions about GUI toolkits?
I have to build a GUI applicaiton that could run on different OS such as windows and *nix, which GUI toolkit is better? Best Regards. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: csv module
Sorry, Here is my example: Python 2.3.1 (#1, Sep 29 2003, 15:42:58) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import csv t_sniffer = csv.Sniffer() t_data = aaa\tbbb\r\n\r\nAAA\tBBB\r\n t_dialect = t_sniffer.sniff(t_data) t_dialect.delimiter '' In fact, I found the pb (thanks to you): I add a newline '\r\n' to separate the header from the records... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: [EVALUATION] - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Ilias Lazaridis wrote: cut The only thing that holds you theoretically back is acknowledged authority by the participating group _and_ yourself and of course the resource for restricted information. what do you mean by resource for restricted information? Well, I mean that you should know before the others that Guido is working for google otherwise such a publication is a bit late :-), nevertheless better late then never. For the first part you got my vote, for second, well that should grow in time. second part = resource for restricted information ? yup cut -- mph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
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QOTW: My wild-ass guess is that, same as most other Open Source communities, we average about one asshole per member. - Tim Peters http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/02236cc5ab54fd90?hl=en [T]he only fundamentally new concept that has been added since Python 1.5.2 is generators. And a lot of the stuff you want generators for can be emulated with sequences and extra buffer layers. - Fredrik Lundh gene tani and Olivier Grisel collect information about memory- and time-profiling: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/6186ae64a564ad5a/ Python builds in a convenience for, this segment of code isn't finished. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/3179dcce33a33fbb/ You want to constrain the time allowed to a particular Python function to execute. A reasonably standard solution is available. To limit *two* potentially concurrent functions, though ... well, that's not a strength of Python: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/bd808b80fc8191/ Contest your Python coding: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/ac7fdb93af4e0b2f/ Sorting depends on comparisons. It is NOT possible, in general, to memoize these comparisons, in the sense that the Python run-time library should take on the responsibility for developers. DSU and other situation-specific strategies always remains available, of course: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/8007c9d7fabe6223 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/773d64e6d8b77802/ Yes, Guido's at Google. He'll work on and with Python. How much more official do you need it to be? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/32dc95bd671542f3/ Peter Hansen and David Wahler lucidly explain how hard it is to keep even a little security. A digital datum in any one useful place is likely to leak all over, even for a problem as seemingly simple as protection of a password used for cron-automated access: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/b8bdb21a084d6a99/ Is it humane that Ruby typically abbreviates get(end) as last? Dave Benjamin and Kent Johnson discuss the matter seriously and usefully (with examples!): http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/d2ada62cd187dd65/ Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in these pages: Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional center of Pythonia http://www.python.org Notice especially the master FAQ http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the marvelous daily python url http://www.pythonware.com/daily Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new) World-Wide Web articles related to Python. http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL are utterly different in their technologies and generally in their results. For far, FAR more Python reading than any one mind should absorb, much of it quite interesting, several pages index much of the universe of Pybloggers. http://lowlife.jp/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/PythonProgrammersWeblog http://www.planetpython.org/ http://mechanicalcat.net/pyblagg.html comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software. Be sure to scan this newsgroup weekly. http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djqas_ugroup=comp.lang.python.announce Steve Bethard, Tim Lesher, and Tony Meyer continue the marvelous tradition early borne by Andrew Kuchling, Michael Hudson and Brett Cannon of intelligently summarizing action on the python-dev mailing list once every other week. http://www.python.org/dev/summary/ The Python Package Index catalogues packages. http://www.python.org/pypi/ The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references to all sorts of Python resources. http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/ Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group mailing lists http://www.python.org/sigs/ Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're subject with a vision of what the language makes practical. http://www.pythonology.com/success The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python Consortium as an independent nexus of activity. It has official responsibility for Python's development and maintenance.
Re: Problem installing libxml2dom on windows
I already downloaded the latest package(libxml2-python-2.6.22.win32-py2.4.exe ) for libxml2 and installed it. I want a package for libxml2mod , because that only package is not getting find. The link you had specifed I already been there. Only libxml2 for python with win32 are available there. Can you please be more specific about libxml2mod? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Problem installing libxml2dom on windows
I also tried installing some different package for dom libxml_domlib(1.2a) on windows with python 2.4 and libxml2(2.6.22) but in this case it gives some differnet error while build only, The error is as -- running build running build_ext building 'libxml_domlib' extension error: Python was built with version 7.1 of Visual Studio, and extensions need to be built with the same version of the compiler, but it isn't installed. --- What is this. Plz help -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: csv module
In fact, there is another bug: In my CVS file, all the records ends with a trailing tab '\t' except the header because the last field is always empty. For example, I get : import csv t_sniffer = csv.Sniffer() t_data = aaa\tbbb\r\nAAA\t\r\nBBB\t\r\n t_dialect = t_sniffer.sniff(t_data) t_dialect.delimiter '' It is done in the _guess_delimiter() method during the building of frequency tables. A striping is done for each line (why??) If I change: freq = line.strip().count(char) by: freq = line.count(char) It works fine. Do you have a workaround for that? --- Laurent. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: some suggestions about GUI toolkits?
This question comes up in this mailing list every two or three days... I suggest taking some time to read previous threads (use Google Groups for en easier experience) and you'll find thousands of opinions and suggestions. My advice: check PythonCard http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ Good luck! Luis -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Problem installing libxml2dom on windows
I also tried installing some different package for dom libxml_domlib(1.2a) on windows with python 2.4 and libxml2(2.6.22) but in this case it gives some differnet error while build only, The error is as -- running build running build_ext building 'libxml_domlib' extension error: Python was built with version 7.1 of Visual Studio, and extensions need to be built with the same version of the compiler, but it isn't installed. --- libxml_domlib available at: http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/libxml_domlib.html What is this. Plz help -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: some suggestions about GUI toolkits?
I recently wrote a small application using wxPython (my first with this GUI). I've used it on Windows XP, Debian GNU/Linux (sarge) and OS X (Panther). The application only uses a few widgets but it wasnt difficult at all to get up and running. -- bytecolor -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Jean-Paul Calderone wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:02:57 -0700, Tim Hochberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Paul McGuire wrote:
Also, here's another cheat version. (No, 7seg.com does not exist.)
import urllib2
def seven_seg(x):return urllib2.urlopen('http://7seg.com/'+x).read()
And another one from me as well.
class a:
def __eq__(s,o):return 1
seven_seg=lambda i:a()
This is shorter as __eq__=lambda s,o:1.
Or even
class seven_seg(str):__eq__=lambda*a:1
39 characters; passes the test suite. I'm sure it would be
disqualified for cheating, though. :-)
But I can't find the first post in this thread... What are you
guys talking about?
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libxml_domlib installation in linux : problems
am installing libxml_domlib(1.2a) on linux but when I build it it
searches for includes of libxml2 in folder
/usr/local/include/libxml2 but libxml2 have includes under
/usr/include/libxml2. For this reason it gives me following error:
--
gcc -DNDEBUG -O2 -g -pipe -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 -D_GNU_SOURCE -fPIC
-fPIC -I. -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/python2.2 -c
libxml_domlib.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-2.2/libxml_domlib.o
libxml_domlib.c:32:30: libxml/xmlmemory.h: No such file or directory
libxml_domlib.c:33:27: libxml/parser.h: No such file or directory
--
In makefile I changed the places for libs and given the correct path
for includes of libxml2 under INCL_DIR instead of that its picking up
/usr/local/include/libxml2 and searches headers there . the
makefile(afer chages) I am using is following:
---
PYTHON_DIR=/usr/include/python2.2/
INCL_DIRS=-I/usr/include/libxml2/ \
-I${PYTHON_DIR}
CFLAGS=-c -g ${INCL_DIRS} -Wall -fPIC
#LINKFLAGS=-shared -L/usr/local/lib/python2.1/config/ -lpython2.1 \
# -L/usr/local/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm -lz
LINKFLAGS=-shared -L/usr/lib/python2.2/config/ -lpython2.2 \
-L/usr/lib -lxml2 -lm
OBJS=libxml_domlib.o domlib_node.o domlib_doc.o \
domlib_ns.o domlib_attrs.o
libxml_domlib.so: ${OBJS}
gcc ${LINKFLAGS} ${OBJS} -o libxml_domlib.so
libxml_domlib.o: libxml_domlib.c domlib_node.h
gcc ${CFLAGS} libxml_domlib.c -o libxml_domlib.o
domlib_node.o: domlib_node.c domlib_node.h
gcc ${CFLAGS} domlib_node.c -o domlib_node.o
domlib_doc.o: domlib_doc.c domlib_doc.h
gcc ${CFLAGS} domlib_doc.c -o domlib_doc.o
domlib_ns.o: domlib_ns.c domlib_ns.h
gcc ${CFLAGS} domlib_ns.c -o domlib_ns.o
domlib_attrs.o: domlib_attrs.c domlib_attrs.h
gcc ${CFLAGS} domlib_attrs.c -o domlib_attrs.o
clean:
rm -f ${OBJS} libxml_domlib.so
---
How can I override this behaviour of inclusions of header?
and Also is there any version of libxml_domlib availaible for windows.
?
Can anyone help
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Re: help with lists and writing to file in correct order
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sorry guys, here is the code
for incident in bs('a', {'class' : 'price'}):
price =
for oText in incident.fetchText( oRE):
price += oText.strip() + ','
for incident in bs('div', {'class' : 'store'}):
store =
for oText in incident.fetchText( oRE):
store += oText.strip() + ','
for incident in bs('h2', {'id' : 'food'}):
food =
for oText in incident.fetchText( oRE):
food += oText.strip() + ','
I would use a loop that finds the row for a single item with something like
for item in bs('tr', {'class' : 'base'}):
then inside the loop fetch the values for store, food and price for that
item and write them to your output file.
Kent
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Re: python bug in this list implementation?
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:29:41 +, Chris Smith wrote: def createGrid(): f = open(r...sudoku.txt, rb) ## see attached for the file. Why do you need a raw string? It isn't wrong to do one, but it is rather unusual and unnecessary. Chris is probably working on Windows where it is handy to enter paths as raw strings because of the backslashes. Unusual however, and problematic if you want to use the program on other platforms, is opening a text file in binary mode. -- Christoph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: predicting function calls?
Steven D'Aprano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you decide whether handle.foo should be treated as an attribute or an operation? That's exactly what I'm trying to figure out. In the legacy system I'm trying to emulate, the interpreter knows the from syntax (i.e. whether handle.foo is followed by an open paren or not). I'm looking for some way I can emulate that behavior in Python. If your object has an attribute foo, then what should you do when somebody calls handle.foo()? That is, they treat an attribute as if it were an operation? And vice versa. That's easy. In such a case, the database will generate an error, which I can then pass on to the user, probably by raising some subclass of TypeError. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: predicting function calls?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fnorb (a pure-Python CORBA orb) dealt with this by not allowing attributes per se. Instead, it provided _get_AttributeName and _set_AttributeName as appropriate for each attribute in the IDL. Doing this means that *everything* you hand back from __getattr__ is going to be a callable, and presumably called at some point. That's exactly what the low-level C/C++ API does in the system I'm working with. It is, unfortunately, not the interface that's exposed by the serial protocol. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Marius Gedminas wrote:
Jean-Paul Calderone wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:02:57 -0700, Tim Hochberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shane Hathaway wrote:
Paul McGuire wrote:
Also, here's another cheat version. (No, 7seg.com does not exist.)
import urllib2
def seven_seg(x):return urllib2.urlopen('http://7seg.com/'+x).read()
And another one from me as well.
class a:
def __eq__(s,o):return 1
seven_seg=lambda i:a()
This is shorter as __eq__=lambda s,o:1.
Or even
class seven_seg(str):__eq__=lambda*a:1
39 characters; passes the test suite. I'm sure it would be
disqualified for cheating, though. :-)
Tricky. That leads to this 30 character gem:
class seven_seg(str):__eq__=id
-tim
But I can't find the first post in this thread... What are you
guys talking about?
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pyfltk2 tutorial
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Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Michael wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [ panic, fear, worry ] What's wrong with just saying Congratulations! ? First thing I thought was ooh, maybe Guido will be able to work on P3K there - after all that would benefit Google *and* everyone else :-) Google's not a nice company (yeah, I know I'm posting from a google account). If you look at their job requirements it's clear they will only hire people with long backstabbing histories. There seems to be no room left for world improving undamaged souls in that company. (Especially if he uses PyPy to experiment and play in ... :) Yes PyPy could save Python, or destroy the world. I have the impression not many enough people realize that a selfhosting programming language is something on the same level as a nano assembler or an artificial intelligence. There is not much time anymore for idealists to start trying to save the world, and I don't think we can count on google in that respect. Anton 'make my day, prove me wrong' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python bug in this list implementation?
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:07:52 +0100, Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:29:41 +, Chris Smith wrote: def createGrid(): f = open(r...sudoku.txt, rb) ## see attached for the file. Why do you need a raw string? It isn't wrong to do one, but it is rather unusual and unnecessary. Chris is probably working on Windows where it is handy to enter paths as raw strings because of the backslashes. Unusual however, and problematic if you want to use the program on other platforms, is opening a text file in binary mode. Sure, but then the file name doesn't have any backslashes. I've never understood why binary mode is supposed to be bad. By my understanding, binary mode simply means that no line endings are translated, regardless of whether the file uses \n, \r or a combination of the two. Surely the worst that can happen in binary mode is that your strings end up having some carriage returns you have to deal with yourself? -- Steven. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: html resize pics
rbt wrote: I use Python to generate html pages. I link to several large images at times. I'd like to display a thumbnail image that when clicked will go to the original, large jpg for a more detailed view. I use PIL with the thumbnail() function for that... depending on what sort of web server/framework you are using, you could generate the thumbnails dynamically, or you could pre-generate them and store both files (this is probably the most common way to do it). The HTML, of course, has to be generated to refer to the appropriate file: the IMG source is the thumbnail, the anchor's href points to the larger image. -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Anton Vredegoor wrote: Michael wrote: Ilias Lazaridis wrote: [ panic, fear, worry ] What's wrong with just saying Congratulations! ? First thing I thought was ooh, maybe Guido will be able to work on P3K there - after all that would benefit Google *and* everyone else :-) Google's not a nice company (yeah, I know I'm posting from a google account). If you look at their job requirements it's clear they will only hire people with long backstabbing histories. There seems to be no room left for world improving undamaged souls in that company. I have a friend who works at Google. He has no backstabbing history at all. Stop insulting my friends. For Software Engineer: Requirements: * BS or MS in Computer Science or equivalent (PhD a plus). * Several years of software development experience. * Enthusiasm for solving interesting problems. * Experience with Unix/Linux or Windows environments, C++ development, distributed systems, machine learning, information retrieval, network programming and/or developing large software systems a plus. I don't see any damaged soul requirement. (Especially if he uses PyPy to experiment and play in ... :) Yes PyPy could save Python, or destroy the world. I have the impression not many enough people realize that a selfhosting programming language is something on the same level as a nano assembler or an artificial intelligence. ??? What the hell are you smoking? We already have self-hosting programming languages. Anton 'make my day, prove me wrong' Prove yourself right. -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. -- Richard Harter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Humane programmer interfaces
list[-1] maps very well to my mental concept of list. To me 'List' brings to mind a bunch of things in a line. It's intuitive to count forward or backward. Ruby's 'last' doesn't map as well for me because I don't think of the list as having an attribute of 'last.' Java just annoys me because I can never remember if it is 'size', 'length' or something else. Similarly, Java's conversion operators - string to int or back - are something I am *always* referring to as they just don't fit my mental model. I agree with Kent, it's so subjective, but I've also found that Python hits the right level. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Robin Becker schrieb: Uwe Hoffmann wrote: Robin Becker schrieb: unfortunately there's no mention of svn handling there and the files only show 0.9[.x] versions. at least you can get the sources via subversion and have a look at the INSTALL file (e.g. http://viewvc.tigris.org/source/browse/viewvc/trunk/INSTALL?rev=1213view=autocontent-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup ) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: csv module
Laurent If I change: Laurent freq = line.strip().count(char) Laurent by: Laurent freq = line.count(char) Laurent It works fine. Laurent Do you have a workaround for that? Nope. I just checked in precisely your fix to the Python repository. Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyCon TX 2006: Early-bird registration ends Dec. 31!
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:43 -0500, David Goodger wrote: Don't forget to book your hotel room, too. PyCon TX 2006 is being held at a Dallas/Addison hotel, and we have negotiated a special low rate: FWIW, for some days, the special-rate 1-2 person rooms are out of stock. Feb 22nd, 26th and 27th, to be precise, when I booked this morning. That means you can't conveniently book online (it will just tell you you can't get that group rate for your entire stay) but I was able to get it sorted over the phone. The hotel booked me for the 1-2 person special rate for most of the nights, and the 3-4 person special rate (still cheaper than most alternatives) the three troublesome nights. Anyone still trying to get their hotel reserved might want to keep this in mind. A-hotel-with-rooms-out-of-stock--what's-next-ly y'rs, -- Thomas Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: predicting function calls?
Roy Smith wrote: print handle.someAttribute print handle.someOperation (arg1, arg2) I'm using __getattr__() to process both of these constructs, and herein lies the rub; I need to do different things depending on whether the name is an attribute or an operation. I can ask the DB for a list of the names of all the operations supported by a given object, but that's a fairly expensive thing to do, so I'd rather avoid it if possible. It would be really nice if I had some way to find out, from inside __getattr__(), if the value I'm about to return will get called as a function (i.e., the name is followed by an open paren). What do you do if the person does: x = handle.someOperation x(arg1, arg2) -- --OKB (not okblacke) Brendan Barnwell Do not follow where the path may lead. Go, instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail. --author unknown -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Robert Kern wrote: I have a friend who works at Google. He has no backstabbing history at all. Stop insulting my friends. Your friends work for people who would never hire me. My resume sucks, but I'm not a bad person or a mediocre programmer. They sold out. For Software Engineer: Requirements: * BS or MS in Computer Science or equivalent (PhD a plus). Right here. * Several years of software development experience. * Enthusiasm for solving interesting problems. * Experience with Unix/Linux or Windows environments, C++ development, distributed systems, machine learning, information retrieval, network programming and/or developing large software systems a plus. I don't see any damaged soul requirement. I do. Experience here is an eufemism for having worked for the man. (Especially if he uses PyPy to experiment and play in ... :) Yes PyPy could save Python, or destroy the world. I have the impression not many enough people realize that a selfhosting programming language is something on the same level as a nano assembler or an artificial intelligence. ??? What the hell are you smoking? We already have self-hosting programming languages. Yes. We have humans too. Anton 'make my day, prove me wrong' Prove yourself right. Ok. That's a bit harder. I suppose we agree that if we have an intelligent program that is more intelligent than a human and have this program design an even more intelligent program than things start to accelerate pretty fast? Now the combination of a programmer with a tool (program) that can be used to make a better tool. This gives a better human-machine combination, which then can be used to further improve the combination. I don't think I have completely proven my point now, but since the danger is very real and big, coming close is already reason enough to watch this carefully. Why hasn't it happened yet with lisp? I don't know, why didn't the world get destroyed by all out atomic warfare? Couldn't it have happened? If we create AI why would AI keep us around if we ourselves won't even hire people that do not comply to absurdly specific preconditions? Don't we let our poor people starve in the undeveloped countries or even in our own cities? If we want to prove we belong to the next world we should start now. Open work communities where everyone can start working and get paid. The same thing as open source code or usenet but now with money for everyone. Anton 'sorry, I don't want to start a flamewar, but I really believe what I wrote here' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
[Bengt Richter] ... [23:28] C:\pywk\clp\seven\pycontest_01wc -lc seven_seg.py 2136 seven_seg.py 2 lines, 136 chars including unix-style lineseps (is that cheating on windows?) Na. Most native Windows apps (including native Windows Python) don't care whether \n or \r\n in used as the line terminator in text files. This is because the platform C library changes \r\n to \n on input of a text-mode file, and leaves \n alone: the difference is literally invisible to most apps. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Anton Vredegoor wrote: Google's not a nice company (yeah, I know I'm posting from a google account). If you look at their job requirements it's clear they will only hire people with long backstabbing histories. There seems to be no room left for world improving undamaged souls in that company. (Especially if he uses PyPy to experiment and play in ... :) Yes PyPy could save Python, or destroy the world. I have the impression not many enough people realize that a selfhosting programming language is something on the same level as a nano assembler or an artificial intelligence. There is not much time anymore for idealists to start trying to save the world, and I don't think we can count on google in that respect. Huh? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyCon TX 2006: Hotel problems
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thomas Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:06:43 -0500, David Goodger wrote: Don't forget to book your hotel room, too. PyCon TX 2006 is being held at a Dallas/Addison hotel, and we have negotiated a special low rate: FWIW, for some days, the special-rate 1-2 person rooms are out of stock. Feb 22nd, 26th and 27th, to be precise, when I booked this morning. That means you can't conveniently book online (it will just tell you you can't get that group rate for your entire stay) but I was able to get it sorted over the phone. The hotel booked me for the 1-2 person special rate for most of the nights, and the 3-4 person special rate (still cheaper than most alternatives) the three troublesome nights. Anyone still trying to get their hotel reserved might want to keep this in mind. They're not out of stock, they just fscked their reservation system. Our contract says that we get the special rate as long as they actually have rooms available. We'll post another announcement when the reservation problems get fixed; at that point, we'll give ya'll the option of giving us your reservation number (and we'll fix it for you) or handling the problem yourselves. -- Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Given that C++ has pointers and typecasts, it's really hard to have a serious conversation about type safety with a C++ programmer and keep a straight face. It's kind of like having a guy who juggles chainsaws wearing body armor arguing with a guy who juggles rubber chickens wearing a T-shirt about who's in more danger. --Roy Smith -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Robin Becker wrote: Does anyone know the status of the svn handling version of viewCVS. It works: http://svn.python.org/view/ Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python bug in this list implementation?
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:07:52 +0100, Christoph Zwerschke wrote: Chris is probably working on Windows where it is handy to enter paths as raw strings because of the backslashes. Unusual however, and problematic if you want to use the program on other platforms, is opening a text file in binary mode. I've never understood why binary mode is supposed to be bad. By my understanding, binary mode simply means that no line endings are translated, regardless of whether the file uses \n, \r or a combination of the two. Surely the worst that can happen in binary mode is that your strings end up having some carriage returns you have to deal with yourself? Yes. The larger problem is when you don't explicitly use binary mode while handling binary data on other platforms, and then port it to Windows. -- If I have been able to see further, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants. -- Isaac Newton Roel Schroeven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Robin Becker wrote: Does anyone know the status of the svn handling version of viewCVS. It works: http://svn.python.org/view/ Regards, Martin yes I ahd it working and updated my freebsd and then couldn't locate the latest version. If the svn head stuff from tigris works that'll do. On another point I thought the whole point of sourceforge was that the files wouldn't get removed/deleted. Does whining and begging work for remove my old project? -- Robin Becker -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Anton Vredegoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. That's a bit harder. I suppose we agree that if we have an intelligent program that is more intelligent than a human and have this program design an even more intelligent program than things start to accelerate pretty fast? There's your fundamental flaw. Programs aren't intelligent, any more than submarines swim. Now the combination of a programmer with a tool (program) that can be used to make a better tool. This gives a better human-machine combination, which then can be used to further improve the combination. Key word: tool. Nothing is said about the intelligence of said tool. It doesn't have to be intelligent at all. It just has to be able to do one single task better than the human. The intelligence in this combination is coming from the human. I don't think I have completely proven my point now, but since the danger is very real and big, coming close is already reason enough to watch this carefully. We aren't any closer to having a real AI than we were in the 60s. On my list of man-made, world-ending catastrophes, a world-dominating AI is easily outranked by grey goo, and just barely beats out the nine billion names of god. 'sorry, I don't want to start a flamewar, but I really believe what I wrote here' I think you're taking to many bad scifi movies seriously. mike -- Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Late binding and late execution (was: Beautiful Python)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:35:46 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: Wow ?! I've only started looking at python but that sounds like very dangerous programming ! Can you give an example. Even a simple def statement is an executed statement in Python. There is no difference, in Python, between an imported file and a file invoked directly on the command line -- other than the name given the module. Many files take advantage of that to supply a stand-alone mode by putting something like: if __name__ == __main__: # do something as a stand-alone module # likely by setting up some parameters from the command line # and invoking the real work function/class # for example: term1 = sys.argv[1] optionals = sys.argf[2:] myWorkRoutine(term1, optionals) --- If imported (call it module impy), one could then do things like import impy ...# other stuff impy.myWorkRoutine(stuff, nonsense) . . . Along with all the other true things that have been written in this thread, I wonder whether some participants realize how often real-world code needs some sort of conditional source--for example, if we're in a context where a particular database manager is locally-licensed, then we need to import and use a particular set of definitions, otherwise we fall back to network access of ... Contingent declarations, such as global or import, might seem to be mere optimizations, but they're important ones for the kinds of problems I encounter that need to do real work. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Robin Becker wrote: yes I ahd it working and updated my freebsd and then couldn't locate the latest version. If the svn head stuff from tigris works that'll do. On another point I thought the whole point of sourceforge was that the files wouldn't get removed/deleted. Does whining and begging work for remove my old project? No: it's still there. The viewcvs viewcvs is at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/viewcvs/ and the viewcvs CVS should be at (untested) :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/viewcvs Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Mike Meyer wrote: We aren't any closer to having a real AI than we were in the 60s. note that the name of the the poster who started this thread only needs minimal adjustments to become an anagram for alien lizard AI, which might indicate that the government has access to some kind of AI, but that it's completely useless. /F -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How do I redirect output to a file and to the console screen?
Hi there, I'm doing some TELNET and FTP sessions with my scripts. I need to redirect all the output (and not just what I print) to an output file, but still be able to see the session in process on the console. The Console screen is of less importance, so I could give it up, but what I'm looking for is a way to see all the interaction with the remote seesions on a file, that all the console data was redirected to it from within the script file. P.S. - the command python script_file output_file is not from within the file, so it won't work for me. Thank you (-: -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Anton Vredegoor wrote: Robert Kern wrote: I have a friend who works at Google. He has no backstabbing history at all. Stop insulting my friends. Your friends work for people who would never hire me. This is not a crime. My resume sucks, but I'm not a bad person or a mediocre programmer. Okay. Still has nothing to do with my friend or anyone else who works at Google. Still doesn't mean my friend has a backstabbing history, whatever that is. They sold out. rolls eyes No, he accepted a job. He has a family to feed. Google may or may not be unethical, but their requirement for experienced developers is not unethical. Just because they might not hire you doesn't mean they are unethical. They simply have needs that you can't fill. Your sense of entitlement is showing. For Software Engineer: Requirements: * BS or MS in Computer Science or equivalent (PhD a plus). Right here. * Several years of software development experience. * Enthusiasm for solving interesting problems. * Experience with Unix/Linux or Windows environments, C++ development, distributed systems, machine learning, information retrieval, network programming and/or developing large software systems a plus. I don't see any damaged soul requirement. I do. Experience here is an eufemism for having worked for the man. Who is the man? If Google were to hire you with no experience, would you then have worked for the man? (Especially if he uses PyPy to experiment and play in ... :) Yes PyPy could save Python, or destroy the world. I have the impression not many enough people realize that a selfhosting programming language is something on the same level as a nano assembler or an artificial intelligence. ??? What the hell are you smoking? We already have self-hosting programming languages. Yes. We have humans too. Some Lisps are self-hosting. C is self-hosting. The world is not yet destroyed. Do you understand what self-hosting means? Anton 'make my day, prove me wrong' Prove yourself right. Ok. That's a bit harder. I suppose we agree that if we have an intelligent program that is more intelligent than a human and have this program design an even more intelligent program than things start to accelerate pretty fast? PyPy will not bring about the Singularity. -- Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the fields of hell where the grass grows high Are the graves of dreams allowed to die. -- Richard Harter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Robert Kern wrote: PyPy will not bring about the Singularity. But if it did, imagine how cool that would look on the developers resumes... :-) -- Hans Nowak http://zephyrfalcon.org/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Draw over video
Hi, I'm an italian student in telecommunication engineering.For an examen i will realize an object tracking.I 'm going to do it in java with the JMF, but it's impossible to draw over a video.Now, I have been tought to make it in Python, with PyGtk or Pyqt and Pymedia.It's possible to draw over a video with this struments??It's better gtk or qt? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Draw over video
hi, i used pygame to display video and draw over it. check out: http://gumuz.looze.net/wordpress/index.php/archives/2005/06/06/python-webcam-fun-motion-detection/ cheers, http://gumuz.looze.net -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How to get started in GUI Programming?
D H wrote: Kay Schluehr wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to learn GUI programming in Python, but have to confess I am finding it difficult. Don't do it if you can prevent it. What kind of helpful advice is that? Conclusion: if you are already familiar with BASIC I would just continue writing BASIC apps using VisualBasic dotNet, Windows Forms as the underlying GUI toolktit and VisualStudio as IDE. Forget the coolness factor of the language. Cool people never care a lot what other people think. If you finally want to glue assemblys/controls together in Python this is still possible with IronPython or Python-dotNet ( which is a CPython binding to the CLR, available at Zope.org ). So you recommend VB.NET on comp.lang.python, and then later publicly flame me for mentioning boo a year ago, as well as spew FUD about other languages you don't like. Doesn't the python community already have enough assholes as it is? The tone makes the music Doug. The usual crank is obsessed with a few random ideas and if he does not get enough attention and respect for them and his own ideosyncratic work he is running around and breathes fire. The therapeutical advise is usually quite simple: being a little patient and social but I admit this is very hard for a bloated and aggrieved ego. I do not want to repeat my observations and alienations about some attitudes within the Ruby community in detail. It may suffice to say that I'm not a Hippie, that I do not consider any PL as love and agree mostly with Bruce Eckels concluding remarks. Nevertheless I find this new-age / postmodern crossover quite interesting and I do think that it has certainly it's place in the programming world - no less than the scientific attitude of e.g. Haskellians or the power triumphalism of SUN and MS. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Hans Robert Kern wrote: PyPy will not bring about the Singularity. Hans But if it did, imagine how cool that would look on the developers Hans resumes... :-) +1 QOTW Skip -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Robin Becker wrote: yes I ahd it working and updated my freebsd and then couldn't locate the latest version. If the svn head stuff from tigris works that'll do. On another point I thought the whole point of sourceforge was that the files wouldn't get removed/deleted. Does whining and begging work for remove my old project? No: it's still there. The viewcvs viewcvs is at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/viewcvs/ and the viewcvs CVS should be at (untested) :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/viewcvs Regards, Martin OK I'm obviously being driven mad by successful attempts to stop me using the project pages :( and the downloads can be removed. But anyhow if I'm cvs'ing I might as well use the latest from tigris. -- Robin Becker -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: pyfltk2 tutorial
Siraj Kutlusan wrote: I want to use pyfltk2 because of its simplicity but there seem to be no tutorials done for it. Could anyone give me a link to one please? Judging by the comments on the home page, it's probably premature for someone who needs a tutorial to be trying to use it. It clearly says it's a largely unfinished product: Todo: The major items left are: * Almost everything! Also, if Googling for pyfltk2 tutorial doesn't produce any useful hits, it's almost inconceivable that one actually exists yet. -Peter -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: How do I redirect output to a file and to the console screen?
The basic way to redirect output is to reassign a value to sys.stdout
-- something along these lines:
# redirect stdout to a disk file
import sys
saveout = sys.stdout
outfile = open('output.txt', 'w')
sys.stdout = outfile
# output stuff
print 'hello world'
# restore stdout
outfile.flush()
outfile.close()
sys.stdout = saveout:
Essentially what you want is to have output redirected to *two*
different streams at the same time, the original stdout and a file.
Here's a link to a (very old) post on the subject that should help (see
'class Tee') if coupled with the above:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/5ab52448c1cbc10e
-Martin
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Cannot build Python 2.4.2 for Cygwin
I have not succeeded to build Python 2.4.2 from the source distn for Cygwin on XP (cygwin1.dll version 1005.7.0.0, Cygwin POSIX Emulation DLL). I have applied the bandaid solution in README, ./configure --with-threads=no and edited the resulting Modules/Setup file for SSL. The make process always terminates with the following error message: Creating library file: libpython2.4.dll.a Python/pystate.o(.text+0x344): In function `PyThreadState_New': /cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Temp/Python-2.4.2/Python/pystate.c:191: undefined reference to `__PyGILState_NoteThreadState' Modules/posixmodule.o(.text+0x131b): In function `posix_fdatasync': /cygdrive/c/WINDOWS/Temp/Python-2.4.2/Modules/posixmodule.c:541: undefined reference to `_fdatasync' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [libpython2.4.dll.a] Error 1 Does anyone have an idea what is wrong? Micheal -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
How to handle HTTP redirect using SOAPpy
Hi, I am using python SOAPpy module to call a web service. Call to web service gets executed successfully. I am facing a problem if the call to WS results into redirect. I get HTTPError: HTTPError 302 Moved Temporarily If I enable the debug info, I do get the new redirected url. How do I divert my WS request to new url? Here is my code import SOAPpy reqUrl = http://localhost:8099/VS/SR/wp?wsdl; srv = SOAPpy.WSDL.Proxy(reqUrl) srv.soapproxy.config.dumpHeadersIn = 1 srv.logIn(userID = myusr, password = mypwd) srv.logIn(userID = myusr, password = mypwd) *** Incoming HTTP headers ** HTTP/1.? 302 Moved Temporarily Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:06:25 GMT Server: Jetty/5.1.4 (Windows 2000/5.0 x86 java/1.4.2_08 Content-Type: text/xml;charset=ISO-8859-1 Location: http://localhost:8080/VS/SR/wp?method=null Connection: close Traceback (most recent call last): File interactive input, line 1, in ? File C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\SOAPpy\Client.py, line 470, in __call__ return self.__r_call(*args, **kw) File C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\SOAPpy\Client.py, line 492, in __r_call self.__hd, self.__ma) File C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\SOAPpy\Client.py, line 363, in __call config = self.config) File C:\PYTHON23\lib\site-packages\SOAPpy\Client.py, line 263, in call raise HTTPError(code, msg) HTTPError: HTTPError 302 Moved Temporarily How do I divert all my requests to new url. Thanks Sameer -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Simple question on Parameters...
I have defined a method as follows: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, r=1.0, g=1.0, b=1.0, a=1.0, fr=0.0, fg=0.0, fb=0.0, fa=.25): Now wouldn't it be simpler if it was: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor, fillColor): But how do you set default vaules for outlineColor and fillColors? Like should these be simple lists or should they be structures or classes... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Simple question on Parameters...
On 28 Dec 2005 12:37:32 -0800, KraftDiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have defined a method as follows: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, r=1.0, g=1.0, b=1.0, a=1.0, fr=0.0, fg=0.0, fb=0.0, fa=.25): Now wouldn't it be simpler if it was: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor, fillColor): But how do you set default vaules for outlineColor and fillColors? Like should these be simple lists or should they be structures or classes... def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor=(1, 1, 1), fillColor=(0, 0, 0.25)): ... Jean-Paul -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Simple question on Parameters...
Il 2005-12-28, KraftDiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I have defined a method as follows: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, r=1.0, g=1.0, b=1.0, a=1.0, fr=0.0, fg=0.0, fb=0.0, fa=.25): Now wouldn't it be simpler if it was: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor, fillColor): But how do you set default vaules for outlineColor and fillColors? You can make renderABezierPath like this: def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor=(1.0, 1.0, 1.0, 1.0), fillColor=(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.25)): and in the body you unpack the tuples -- Lawrence - http://www.oluyede.org/blog Anyone can freely use whatever he wants but the light at the end of the tunnel for most of his problems is Python -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
Simon Hengel wrote: Hello, we are hosting a python coding contest an we even managed to provide a price for the winner... http://pycontest.net/ The contest is coincidentally held during the 22c3 and we will be present there. https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/wiki/Python_coding_contest Please send me comments, suggestions and ideas. Have fun, A funny thing happened to me. The http://www.pycontest.net/ site was down for some minutes because : A problem occurred in a Python script. it seems, that 'some clever cheat' has crashed it. Claudio -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: PyHtmlGUI Project is looking for developers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the PyHtmlGUI Project (http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pyhtmlgui) is looking for developers that want to join. The aim of the project is to create a web application framework. The API of PyHtmlGUI wants to be close to Trolltechs famous Qt API but incooperates the idea of a text based renderengine instead of the pixel based one. The obviouse target is html/css but through xml rendering process nearly every textual output could be generated. So far we finished a proof-of-concept prototype that is available via CVS from sourceforge. Now we would like to extend this prototype to a [...] This is great news. I hope you manage to keep it pragmatic enough that people can always be confident of getting their work done, but without losing the benefits of abstraction. I wonder how you're dealing with client-side code (ie. JavaScript)? Have you looked at crackajax or PyPy? John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: deal or no deal
Chip Turner wrote: On 2005-12-26 15:05:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I believe not; the Monty Hall problem is biased by the fact that the presenter knows where the prize is, and eliminates one box accordingly. Where boxes are eliminated at random, it's impossible for any given box to have a higher probability of containing any given amount of money than another. And for the contestants box to be worth more or less than the mean, it must have a higher probability of containing a certain amount. Agreed -- unless the presenter takes away a case based on knowledge he has about the contents, then Monty Hall doesn't enter into it. Deal or No Deal seems to be a purely chance based game. However, that doesn't mean there aren't strategies beyond strictly expecting the average payout. Like another member of the group, I've seen them offer more than the average on the UK version, which puzzled me quite a lot. I imagine it is about risks. Many gameshows take out insurance policies against the larger payoffs to protect the show and network from big winners. I believe Who Wants to be a Millionaire actually had some difficulty with their insurance when they were paying out too often, or something. Perhaps the UK Deal or No Deal didn't want to risk increasing their premium :) But even the contestant has a reason to not just play the average, thereby bringing psychology into the game. It comes down to the odd phenomenon that the value of money isn't linear to the amount of money in question. If you're playing the game, and only two briefcases are left -- 1,000,000 and 0.01, and the house offers you 400,000... take it! On average you'll win around 500,000, but half the time, you'll get a penny. Averages break down when you try to apply them to a single instance. On the flip side, if you think about how much difference 500,000 will make in your life vs, say, 750,000, then taking a risk to get 750,000 is probably worth it; sure, you might lose 250,000 but on top of 500,000, the impact of the loss you would suffer is significantly lessened. In the end, it comes down to what the money on the table means to *you* and how willing you are to lose the guaranteed amount to take risks. It's similar to the old game of coin flipping to double your money. Put a dollar on the table. Flip a coin. Heads, you double your bet, tails you lose it all. You can stop any time you want. The expected outcome is infinite money (1 * 1/2 + 2 * 1/4 + 4 * 1/8 ...), but a human playing it would do well to stop before the inevitable tails comes along, even though mathematically the house pays out an expected infinite number of dollars over time. Exponential growth in winnings doesn't offset exponential risk in taking a loss because, once you hit a certain point, the money on the table is worth more than the 50% chance of having twice as much. Chip As you say, it depends on the player's utility function. But it's not a straightforward question of comparing the offer to the expected values of the remaining boxes, even for a risk-neutral player. At most stages of the game refusing an offer means that there will be a future offer, and, later in the game, these tend to be closer to (or even greater than) the expected value. Duncan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Simple question on Parameters...
KraftDiner wrote:
I have defined a method as follows:
def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, r=1.0, g=1.0, b=1.0,
a=1.0, fr=0.0, fg=0.0, fb=0.0, fa=.25):
Now wouldn't it be simpler if it was:
def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor,
fillColor):
But how do you set default vaules for outlineColor and fillColors?
Like should these be simple lists or should they be structures or
classes...
You could define a class for the r, g, b, a values, or just use tuples
thusly..
def renderABezierPath(self, path, closePath=True, outlineColor=(1.0,
1.0, 1.0, 1.0), fillColor=(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.25)):
It all depends on what you find the most elegant solution. Im guessing
you will use color values a lot, so I would recommend writing a simple
class. Its also more natural to refer to the components of the color by
name, rather than an index to the tuple.
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ANN: OSCON 2006 Call for Proposals
OSCON 2006: Opening Innovation http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2006/ Save the date for the 8th annual O'Reilly Open Source Convention, happening July 24-28, 2006 at the Oregon Convention Center in beautiful Portland, Oregon. Call For Participation -- Submit a proposal-fill out the form at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/create/e_sess/ Important Dates: * Proposals Due: Midnight (PST) February 13, 2006 * Speaker Notification: March 27, 2006 * Tutorial Presentation Files Due: June 12, 2006 * Session Presentation Files Due: June 26, 2006 * Conference: July 24-28, 2006 Proposals - We are considering proposals for 45 minute sessions and 3 hour tutorials. We rarely accept 90 minute proposals, as most general sessions are 45 minutes in length. Your proposals are examined by a committee which draws from them and which also solicits proposals to build the program. Proposals are due by midnight (PST), Feb. 13, 2006. The OSCON Speaker Manager, Vee McMillen, emails notification of the status of your talk (accepted or otherwise) by March 27, 2006. Unless the content of your talk is particularly timely (e.g., features of a product that will be launched at OSCON), you are required to send us your slides several weeks before the conference begins. Submit proposals via the form below. Some tips for writing a good proposal for a good talk: * Keep it free of marketing: talk about open source software, but not about a commercial product--the audience should be able to use and improve the things you talk about without paying money * Keep the audience in mind: they're technical, professional, and already pretty smart. * Clearly identify the level of the talk: is it for beginners to the topic, or for gurus? What knowledge should people have when they come to the talk? * Give it a simple and straightforward title: fancy and clever titles make it harder for people (committee and attendees) to figure out what you're really talking about * Limit the scope of the talk: in 45 minutes, you won't be able to cover Everything about Widget Framework X. Instead, pick a useful aspect, or a particular technique, or walk through a simple program. * Pages of code are unreadable: mere mortals can deal with code a line at a time. Sometimes three lines at a time. A page of code can't be read when it's projected, and can't be comprehended by the audience. * Explain why people will want to attend: is the framework gaining traction? Is the app critical to modern systems? Will they learn how to deploy it, program it, or just what it is? * Let us know in your proposal notes whether you can give all the talks you submitted proposals for * Explain what you will cover in the talk NOTE: All presenters whose talks are accepted (excluding Lightning Talks) will receive free registration at the conference. For each half-day tutorial, the presenter receives one night's accommodation, a limited travel allowance, and an honorarium. We give tutors and speakers registration to the convention (including tutorials), and tutors are eligible for a travel allowance: up to US$300 from the west coast of the USA, up to US$500 from the east coast of the USA, up to US$800 from outside the USA. Registration opens April, 2006. If you would like to be notified by email when registration opens, please use the form on our main page. CONFERENCE INFO === The O'Reilly Open Source Convention is where coders, sysadmins, entrepreneurs, and business people working in free and open source software gather to share ideas, discover code, and find solutions. At OSCON 2005, more than 2,400 attendees took part in 241 sessions and tutorials across eleven technology tracks, learning about the newest features and versions from creators and experts. A record number of products launches and announcements were made, and sponsors and exhibitors from a wide range of companies filled the largest exhibit hall in OSCON's history. We anticipate that OSCON 2006 will be even more successful, and continue to be the place for the open source community to meet up, debate, make deals, and connect face to face. OSCON 2006 will take place at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland, Oregon July 24-28, 2006. OSCON 2006 will feature the projects, technologies, and skills that you need to write and deploy killer modern apps. We're looking for proposals on platforms and applications around: * Multimedia including voice (VoIP) and video * AI including spam-busting, classification, clustering, and data mining * Collaboration including email, calendars, RSS, OPML, mashups, IM, presence, and session initialization * Project best practices including governance, starting a project, and managing communities * Microsoft Windows-based open source projects including .NET, Mono, and regular C/C++/Visual Basic Windows apps * Enterprise Java techniques including integration, testing, and scalable deployment solutions * Linux kernel skills for
Re: Cannot build Python 2.4.2 for Cygwin
Micheal, On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 11:02:55AM -0800, Micheal LeVine wrote: I have not succeeded to build Python 2.4.2 from the source distn for Cygwin on XP (cygwin1.dll version 1005.7.0.0, Cygwin POSIX Emulation DLL). The above is a very old version of Cygwin: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2004-01/msg00020.html [snip] Does anyone have an idea what is wrong? Yes, upgrading to the latest Cygwin should fix your build problem. Jason -- PGP/GPG Key: http://www.tishler.net/jason/pubkey.asc or key servers Fingerprint: 7A73 1405 7F2B E669 C19D 8784 1AFD E4CC ECF4 8EF6 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: python coding contest
the dream of winning the contest seems to be over. Sorry for that, I'm considering doing a ranking on the nicest cheats too. Have fun, Simon Hengel -- python coding contest - http://www.pycontest.net/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Beautiful Python
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Sometimes putting import statements at the beginning is not feasible (i.e. only when some condition has been met), as importing has some impact on program execution (importing executes code in imported module). This does not resemble Java imports (I don't know Perl). -- Wow ?! I've only started looking at python but that sounds like very dangerous programming ! Can you give an example. Leaving aside that the first import of a Python module *always* executes code -- even if that code be something like a 'def' statement (I assume that's NOT what worried you), you're certainly correct that anything anywhere near this sort of thing is harmful: #---8- # this is file mymodule.py def good(): print m evil = good evil() # because importing shouldn't have side-effects #---8- Though you may perfectly well do this: #---8- # this is file mymodule2.py try: from goodstuff import good except ImportError: def good(): print m #---8- (and of course, if statements are just as acceptable in that example as try/except -- though try/except is often handier than if/else in this sort of case) Or this, using the standard idiom to have a module work also as a script: #---8- # this is file mymodule3.py def good(): print m if __name__ == __main__: # only executed if we're running as a script good() #---8- Just in passing, this is the standard idiom when you want to change some global setting: #---8- # this is file weird.py def enable_weird_shit(): ... #---8- One then does: import weird; weird.enable_weird_shit() This last style is used, eg. by things like module cgitb (replaces the standard global traceback handler with a different one) and PTL (introduces a global import hook of some kind for .ptl template files). BTW this topic relates to a recent point raised by the C man's [I think Richie, dated ca. 1973] crit of Pascal. He said that Pascal's restriction of not being able to declare globals, near where they were needed, was bad. And I thought so too, before I considered that the programmer must KNOW that they are global. Ie. the ability to declare them at a 'nice' place is just syntactic sugar, hiding the reality the globals are bad, and have to be avoided and respected. Maybe so (though not sure I understand exactly what you're saying), but not relevant to the question at hand, so far as I can see: Python import statements inside a function or class scope do NOT contaminate the global namespace. sys.modules (which is global state) may grow a new key/value pair, but that's a different thing, and non-harmful. One good thing about local imports is that you can keep a function or class self-contained, so it can easily be moved to another module without import changes. A bad thing is that it becomes less easy to see at a glance what a module's dependencies are (but a quick search for the string 'import' is all that's needed there). I always used to stick to the 'imports at the top' style. Having been introduced to the other way of doing it at work, I still don't have an opinion on whether it's just a matter of mix-n-match (applying good taste and experience to pick which style to use for each import statement) or whether it's best to stick rigidly to one style or the other. So I just try to stick to the When in Rome principle, and follow local conventions, unless it seems stupid to do so. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: - E04 - Leadership! Google, Guido van Rossum, PSF
Harald Armin Massa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Allow me to quote Greg Stein: Ha! Guido would quit in a heartbeat if you tried to make him manage people. That just isn't where he's at. He's absolutely brilliant and loves to write excellent code. Great. We're gonna let him do just that :-) [...] Guido may or may not realise it, but he seems to have been managing people (in some sense of 'managing', anyway) quite successfully over the past decade or so. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: any Adobe Reader like apps written in python, for examination?
Alex Gittens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, pygame is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a good example of cross platform non-trivial page-layout and font handling. The project I'm working on-- a typographically correct interface to a CAS-- requires pixel-perfect font handling. I'll definitely look into Grail: I'm sure as a browser it has to address these problems. But I'm open to further suggestions. [...] Grail was a research project -- not sure pixel-perfect is something you'd *expect* to find there, but maybe you'll be lucky. Sketch, OTOH, is certainly worth a look. It's a vector graphics app. IIRC it does handle bitmaps. John -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: viewcvs 1.0 dev
Robin Becker wrote: OK I'm obviously being driven mad by successful attempts to stop me using the project pages :( and the downloads can be removed. But anyhow if I'm cvs'ing I might as well use the latest from tigris. I can sympathize with the viewcvs people wanting to hide the CVS; if they didn't, people would use it forever, and just wonder why it is so outdated. I had the same feelings when moving the Python CVS off SF. I can also sympathize with SF not wanting to let people completely remove the code, because of open source principles. So this status is a good compromise, IMO. Regards, Martin -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Re: Simple question on Parameters...
I guess its all good... I just am not crazy about using fillColor[0] id rather use fillColor.r So is that a structure I need to define or a class... I'm kind of new to python what would that class or structure look like? and then do the default parameters still work? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
