Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Apr 21)

2008-04-21 Thread Gabriel Genellina
QOTW:  But people will always prefer complaining on the grounds of
insufficient information to keeping quiet on the basis of knowledge. - Steve
Holden
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/007b9fea0a5db786


Speed of Python vs C when reading, sorting and writing data:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/172902584511f19e/

The GIL was murdered - but it refuses to die:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/2d537ad8df9dab67/

The obvious way to declare per-instance properties doesn't work:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/c14aae97eb7c19d8/

Metaprogramming example (metaclasses and descriptors):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/e4144d9c8fafe29a/

Concerns about the migration to 3.0 (Python and C code):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/25c4c3175569fa37/

The future replacement of string % formatting in Python 3.x:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/f07feff4f01be76f/

How widely adopted is Python 2.5?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5f15ac04993dfb9/

What to learn after Python: Java, C++, ...?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5d8be7aca2cd6d49/

Many people filter out messages posted thru Google Groups:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/a90b84c4f8987b3f/



Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in
these pages:

Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional
center of Pythonia
http://www.python.org
Notice especially the master FAQ
http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html

PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the
marvelous daily python url
 http://www.pythonware.com/daily
Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new)
World-Wide Web articles related to Python.
 http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html
While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL
are utterly different in their technologies and generally in
their results.

Just beginning with Python?  This page is a great place to start:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

The Python Papers aims to publish the efforts of Python enthusiats:
http://pythonpapers.org/
The Python Magazine is a technical monthly devoted to Python:
http://pythonmagazine.com

Readers have recommended the Planet sites:
http://planetpython.org
http://planet.python.org

comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software.  Be
sure to scan this newsgroup weekly.

http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djqas_ugroup=comp.lang.python.announce

Python411 indexes podcasts ... to help people learn Python ...
Updates appear more-than-weekly:
http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html

Steve Bethard continues the marvelous tradition early borne by
Andrew Kuchling, Michael Hudson, Brett Cannon, Tony Meyer, and Tim
Lesher of intelligently summarizing action on the python-dev mailing
list once every other week.
http://www.python.org/dev/summary/

The Python Package Index catalogues packages.
http://www.python.org/pypi/

The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references
to all sorts of Python resources.
http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/

Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group
mailing lists
http://www.python.org/sigs/

Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line
match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're
subject with a vision of what the language makes practical.
http://www.pythonology.com/success

The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python
Consortium as an independent nexus of activity.  It has official
responsibility for Python's development and maintenance.
http://www.python.org/psf/
Among the ways you can support PSF is with a donation.
http://www.python.org/psf/donate.html

Kurt B. Kaiser publishes a weekly report on faults and patches.
http://www.google.com/groups?as_usubject=weekly%20python%20patch

Although unmaintained since 2002, the Cetus collection of Python
hyperlinks retains a few gems.
http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_python.html

Python FAQTS
http://python.faqts.com/

The Cookbook is a collaborative effort to capture useful and
interesting recipes.
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python

Many Python 

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Regards

Salvatore 


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Re: Prob. w/ Script Posting Last Value

2008-04-21 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:51:43 -0300, Victor Subervi [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Victor Subervi wrote:

  Gabriel provided a lovely script for showing images which I am modifying
  for my needs. I have the following line:
   print 'img src=getpic.py?id=%dx=%dbr /br //td\n' % (d, y)
  where the correct values are entered for the variables, and those values
  increment (already tested). Here is the slightly modified script it calls:
#!/usr/local/bin/python
  import cgitb; cgitb.enable()
  import MySQLdb
  import cgi
  form = cgi.FieldStorage()
  picid = int(form[id].value)
  x = int(form[x].value)
  pic = str(x)
  print 'Content-Type: text/html'
  db = MySQLdb.connect(host=host, user=user, passwd=passwd, db=db)
  cursor= db.cursor()
  sql = select  + pic +  from products where id=' + str(picid) + ';
  cursor.execute(sql)
  content = cursor.fetchall()[0][0].tostring()
  cursor.close()
  print 'Content-Type: image/jpeg\r\nContent-Length: %s\n' % len(content)
  print content
   I need to make it so that it will show all my images, not just the last
  one. Suggestions, please.

That 'Content-Type: text/html' is wrong, you're returning an image here.
Are you sure that *different* pictures are stored in the database? Perhaps 
there was an error and all columns have the same picture.
Also make sure you're not seeing a cached image in your browser.


  In your page generator page, replace

 print 'img src=getpic.py?id=%dx=%dbr /br //td\n' % (d, y)

 by

 for d, y in (results of some DB query to get d and y for each image):
  print 'img src=getpic.py?id=%dx=%dbr /br //td\n' % (d, y)

 Well, I just tried this:

 #! /usr/bin/python
 print Content-type: text/html
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN
 html
 head
 title/title
 /head
 body
 input type='hidden' name='db' value='benobeno_bre' /
 
 y = 1
 for d in 2, 12:
   while y  12:
 print 'img src=getpic.py?id=%dx=%dbr /br //td\n' % (d, y)
 y += 1
 print
 /body
 /html
 and it printed the same image over and over again :(

An empty line is missing after Content-Type and before the actual content.
Look at the source and be sure the src= attribute is generated correctly.

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Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Brian Vanderburg II
I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say 
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm wondering 
if my mail list registration is now being used to spam myself and 
others.  If so, sorry, but I'm not the one sending messages if other are 
getting them even though Sender seems to include my address (I'm not 
sure about mail headers so I don't know how From: is different than 
Sender:)  Anyway, it seems to be a bunch of spam emails about cracks and 
stuff.

Brian Vanderburg II
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Re: Any reliable obfurscator for Python 2.5

2008-04-21 Thread Banibrata Dutta
On 4/21/08, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 If it's important to you to be able to obfuscate your code then you have
 made an inapposite choice of language.


Cutting through all the smoke (thanks to the slight flame we had), this
seems to be the answer that 'shines thorough'... if this is coming from an
expert who knows the Language darn too well (and I don't doubt that Steve
does), I'd take it.

I'm a Noob with Python, and probably the question was a bit premature i.e.
w/o enough research. Creation of 'pyc' in encrypted zip with a
decrypting/embedded-interpreter launcher seems like an excellent work-around
for what I need.

I am not sure how many of you who are against obfuscation use Skype. I'd be
glad to know. If you don't, I trust that you are a OSS zealot, and respect
you for that. If you do, then you may be surprised to know that for the
excellent functionality, ease-of-use and stability/robusness of
communication it provides, it's one of the most closed-source software you
could imagine. The strategic reasons for doing so are not too hard to
imagine.

Thanks to all for this response. BTW, I'm glad that I chose Python over few
other available options. The community participation and response is quite
fantastic.

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Re: py3k concerns. An example

2008-04-21 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:58:56 -0300, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 Why is the migration to py3k a concern?
 For example I have libraries which use string%dictionary
 substitution where the dictionary is actually an object
 which emulates a dictionary.  The __getitem__ for
 the object can be very expensive and is only called when
 needed by the string substitution.

 In py3k string%dictionary is going away.  Why?
 I have no idea.

But not soon. It's not listed in PEP 3100 and according to this message
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-April/013094.html
%s formatting will not disappear until Python 3.3
You have plenty of time to evaluate alternatives. Your code may become obsolete 
even before 3.3 is shipped.

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Re: Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Scott

On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 02:01 -0400, Brian Vanderburg II wrote:
 I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say 
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm wondering 
 if my mail list registration is now being used to spam myself and 
 others.  If so, sorry, but I'm not the one sending messages if other are 
 getting them even though Sender seems to include my address (I'm not 
 sure about mail headers so I don't know how From: is different than 
 Sender:)  Anyway, it seems to be a bunch of spam emails about cracks and 
 stuff.

I think all of the spam is coming from Google Groups.

--Paul

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Conditional for...in failing with utf-8, Spanish book translation

2008-04-21 Thread Hunter
Hi all,

This is my first Usenet post!
I've run into a wall with my first Python program. I'm writing some 
simple code to take a text file that's utf-8 and in Spanish and to use 
online translation tools to convert it, word-by-word, into English. Then 
I'm generating a PDF with both of the languages.

Most of this is working great, but I get intermittent errors of the form:

---

Translating coche(coche)...
 Already cached!
 English: car
Translating ahora(ahora)...
 tw returned now
 English: now
Translating mismo?(mismo)...
 Already cached!
 English: same
Translating ¡A(�a)...
iconv: illegal input sequence at position 0
 tw returned error: the required parameter srctext is missing
 English: error: the required parameter srctext is missing

---

The output should look like:
Translating Raw_Text(lowercaserawtextwithoutpunctuation)...
 tw returned englishtranslation
 English: englishtranslation

I've narrowed the problem down to a simple test program. Check this out:

---

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñú # this line will work
acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñúá # this line won't
#wtf?

word = ¡A
word_key = ''.join([c for c in word.lower() if c in acceptable])
print word_key =  + word_key

---

Any ideas? I'm really stumped!

Thanks,
Hunter
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Re: Conditional for...in failing with utf-8, Spanish book translation

2008-04-21 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:33:47 +0200, Hunter wrote:

 I've narrowed the problem down to a simple test program. Check this out:
 
 ---
 
 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
 
 acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñú # this line will work
 acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñúá # this line won't
 #wtf?
 
 word = ¡A
 word_key = ''.join([c for c in word.lower() if c in acceptable])
 print word_key =  + word_key
 
 ---
 
 Any ideas? I'm really stumped!

You are not working with unicode but UTF-8 encoded characters.  That's
bytes and not letters/characters.  Your `word` for example contains three
bytes and not the two characters you think it contains:

In [43]: word = ¡A

In [44]: len(word)
Out[44]: 3

In [45]: for c in word: print repr(c)
   :
'\xc2'
'\xa1'
'A'

So you are *not* testing if ¡ is in `acceptable` but the two byte values
that are the UTF-8 representation of that character.

Ciao,
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
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Re: Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Sjoerd Mullender
On 2008-04-21 08:01, Brian Vanderburg II wrote:
 I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say 
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm wondering 
 if my mail list registration is now being used to spam myself and 
 others.  If so, sorry, but I'm not the one sending messages if other are 
 getting them even though Sender seems to include my address (I'm not 
 sure about mail headers so I don't know how From: is different than 
 Sender:)  Anyway, it seems to be a bunch of spam emails about cracks and 
 stuff.
 
 Brian Vanderburg II

That is just mailman (the mailing list software) keeping track of 
things.  If there were a bounce, mailman can determine from the address 
of the bounce message (the bounce gets sent back to the Sender, not the 
From) which address bounced.

So *all* python-list messages you get have that Sender.

In other words, these spams do not come from you.

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Re: Conditional for...in failing with utf-8, Spanish book translation

2008-04-21 Thread Stefan Behnel
Hunter wrote:
 I've narrowed the problem down to a simple test program. Check this out:
 
 ---
 
 # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
 
 acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñú # this line will work
 acceptable = abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñúá # this line won't

[bad words stripped]

this should read

acceptable = uabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñú
acceptable = uabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzóíñúá

Mind the little u before the string, which makes it a unicode string instead
of an encoded byte string.

http://docs.python.org/tut/node5.html#SECTION00513

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Elementtree find problem

2008-04-21 Thread Mike Slinn
The following short Python program parses a KML file and displays the 
names of all Marks and Routes:

from elementtree.ElementTree import ElementTree
tree = ElementTree(file='test.kml')
kml = tree.getroot()
ns = 'http://earth.google.com/kml/2.1'
for folder in kml.findall({%s}Folder/{%s}Folder/{%s}name % (ns, ns, ns)):
print folder.text

I want to modify the program to ignore Marks, and print out the 
coordinates of each Route.  Seems ElementTree v1.3 will make this task 
much easier, but unfortunately the CheeseShop and the Gentoo Portage 
repostitory only have v1.2.7 at this time.  The following code is as 
close as I can get to what I want, but it doesn't run because I've 
attempted to use v1.3 syntax, ended up writing complete crap instead, 
and I can't understand the docs well enough for the v1.2.7 syntax.  
Perhaps someone can understand what I mean and give me a clue as to how 
to write this?

from elementtree.ElementTree import ElementTree

tree = ElementTree(file='test.kml')
kml = tree.getroot()
ns = 'http://earth.google.com/kml/2.1'
for folders in kml.findall({%s}Folder/{%s}Folder % (ns, ns)):
if folders[name].text=='Routes':
print folder.findall({%s}LineString/{%s}coordinates % (ns, 
ns))

Thanks,

Mike
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Re: Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Mark Shroyer
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Brian Vanderburg II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say 
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I'm wondering 
 if my mail list registration is now being used to spam myself and 
 others.  If so, sorry, but I'm not the one sending messages if other are 
 getting them even though Sender seems to include my address (I'm not 
 sure about mail headers so I don't know how From: is different than 
 Sender:)  Anyway, it seems to be a bunch of spam emails about cracks and 
 stuff.
 
 Brian Vanderburg II


Nah, if anyone owes anybody an apology, then whatever mail server admins 
decided that it would be a good idea to accept SMTP messages before 
actually determining that the RCPT TO address is, in fact, deliverable, 
thereby creating a deluge of backscatter and filling up your inbox, 
should be groveling on their knees and begging *you* for forgiveness. ;)

(I haven't seen any such spam messages myself; but the way I'm set up, I 
wouldn't receive them even if that is the case.)

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 I have joined others in blocking Google Groups due to excessive
spam.  If you want more people to see your posts, you should use
 another means of posting to Usenet.  http://improve-usenet.org/
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Re: Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen!

Sjoerd Mullender writes:

 On 2008-04-21 08:01, Brian Vanderburg II wrote:

 I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [...]

 That is just mailman (the mailing list software) keeping track of
 things.

By the way, why does mailman change the Message-IDs when tunneling
postings to the newsgroup?  This destroys the thread structure.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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lost sourcecode: decompyle?

2008-04-21 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen!

Due to erroneous use of my VCS, I lost my revision of yesterday.
All I have are the pyc v2.5 files.  Unfortunately, decompyle can
only handle v2.3.  Can one convert this, e.g. by de-assembling,
manual tweaking, and re-assembling?  The result must not be perfect
since I still have most content of the files.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: Elementtree find problem

2008-04-21 Thread Stefan Behnel
Mike Slinn wrote:
 The following short Python program parses a KML file and displays the
 names of all Marks and Routes:
 
 from elementtree.ElementTree import ElementTree
 tree = ElementTree(file='test.kml')
 kml = tree.getroot()
 ns = 'http://earth.google.com/kml/2.1'
 for folder in kml.findall({%s}Folder/{%s}Folder/{%s}name % (ns, ns, ns)):
print folder.text
 
 I want to modify the program to ignore Marks, and print out the
 coordinates of each Route.  Seems ElementTree v1.3 will make this task
 much easier, but unfortunately the CheeseShop and the Gentoo Portage
 repostitory only have v1.2.7 at this time.

You can install the current developer version of ET 1.3 from here:

http://svn.effbot.org/public/elementtree-1.3

Or use lxml, which comes with full-fledged XPath support.

http://codespeak.net/lxml


 The following code is as
 close as I can get to what I want, but it doesn't run because I've
 attempted to use v1.3 syntax, ended up writing complete crap instead,
 and I can't understand the docs well enough for the v1.2.7 syntax. 
 Perhaps someone can understand what I mean and give me a clue as to how
 to write this?
 
 from elementtree.ElementTree import ElementTree
 
 tree = ElementTree(file='test.kml')
 kml = tree.getroot()
 ns = 'http://earth.google.com/kml/2.1'
 for folders in kml.findall({%s}Folder/{%s}Folder % (ns, ns)):
if folders[name].text=='Routes':
print folder.findall({%s}LineString/{%s}coordinates % (ns,
 ns))

What's name here? An attribute? Then this might work better:

if folders.get(name) == 'Routes':

or did you mean it to be a child node?

if folders.findtext(name) == 'Routes':

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Re: Is massive spam coming from me on python lists?

2008-04-21 Thread Sjoerd Mullender
Torsten Bronger wrote:
 Hallöchen!
 
 Sjoerd Mullender writes:
 
 On 2008-04-21 08:01, Brian Vanderburg II wrote:

 I've recently gotten more than too many spam messages and all say
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [...]
 That is just mailman (the mailing list software) keeping track of
 things.
 
 By the way, why does mailman change the Message-IDs when tunneling
 postings to the newsgroup?  This destroys the thread structure.

I have no idea.  There is no setting in the mailman administration
interface that I can see that influences this.

Perhaps submit this as a bugreport to mailman?

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Re: Pickle problem

2008-04-21 Thread Mario Ceresa
Dear Jerry and George:
it works like a charm! I always thought that the first way was a
quicker alternative to defining the init method... shame on me!

From now on I'll read the list every day repeating to myself:
Premature optimization is the root of all evil, Premature
optimization is the root of all evil,  :)

Thanks a lot,

Mario


On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:00 PM, George Sakkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 18, 11:55 am, Mario Ceresa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello everybody:
   I'd like to use the pickle module to save the state of an object so to
   be able to restore it later. The problem is that it holds a list of
   other objects, say numbers, and if I modify the list and restore the
   object, the list itself is not reverted to the saved one, but stays
   with one element deleted.


  An example session is the following:
  
   Data is  A [1, 2, 3, 4]
   saving a with pickle
   Deleting an object: del a[3]
   Now data is A [1, 2, 3]
   Oops! That was an error: can you please recover to the last saved data?
   A [1, 2, 3]  I'd like to have here A[1,2,3,4]!!
  
   Is it the intended behavior for pickle? if so, are there any way to
   save the state of my object?
  
   Code follows
   ---
   class A(object):
   objects = []
   ---
   then I run  the code:
   ---
   import pickle
   from core import A
  
   a = A()
  
   for i in [1,2,3,4]:
   a.objects.append(i)
  
   savedData = pickle.dumps(a)
   print Saved data is ,a
   print Deleting an object
   del a.objects[3]
   print a
   print Oops! This was an error: can you please recover the last saved 
 data?
  
   print pickle.loads(savedData)
   
  
   Thank you for any help!
  
   Mario

  The problem is that the way you define 'objects', it is an attribute
  of the A *class*, not the instance you create. Change the A class to:


  class A(object):
 def __init__(self):
 self.objects = []

  and rerun it; it should now work as you intended.

  HTH,
  George
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Re: question about the mainloop

2008-04-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
globalrev a écrit :
 in C?? java etc there is usually:
 
 procedure 1
 procedure 2
 procedure 3
 
 main {
 procedure 1
 procedure 2
 procedure 3
 }
 
 i dont get the mainloop() in python. 

The 'main' function (resp. method) in C and Java has nothing to do with 
a mainloop - it's just the program entry point, IOW the function that 
will get called when the program is executed.

Python has no such thing, since all code at the top-level is executed 
when the script is passed to the python runtime.

The notion of mainloop (or event loop) is specific to event-driven 
programs, which, once everything is set up, enter in a loop, wait for 
events to come, and dispatch them to appropriate handlers. And FWIW, 
there's no loop in your above example - the main() function will call 
procedures 1, 2 and 3 sequentially then exit.

 i mean i have written some
 programs, for example a calculator using tkinterGUI.
 
 if i have some functions i wanna call to run the program

You don't call some functions to run the program - you pass your 
script to the python runtime, and all top-level code will be executed 
sequentially.

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sys.maxint in Python 3

2008-04-21 Thread bearophileHUGS
In some algorithms a sentinel value may be useful, so for Python 3.x
sys.maxint may be replaced by an improvement of the following infinite
and neginfinite singleton objects:

class Infinite(object):
def __repr__(self): return infinite
def __cmp__(self, other):
if other is infinite: return 0
if other is neginfinite: return 1
other + 1 # type control
return 1
infinite = Infinite()

class NegInfinite(object):
def __repr__(self): return neginfinite
def __cmp__(self, other):
if other is neginfinite: return 0
if other is infinite: return -1
other + 1 # type control
return -1
neginfinite = NegInfinite()

Bye,
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Re: sys.maxint in Python 3

2008-04-21 Thread Christian Heimes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
 In some algorithms a sentinel value may be useful, so for Python 3.x
 sys.maxint may be replaced by an improvement of the following infinite
 and neginfinite singleton objects:

Python 3.0 doesn't have sys.maxint any more since Python 3's ints are of
arbitrary length. Instead of sys.maxint it has sys.maxsize; the maximum
size of a positive sized size_t aka Py_ssize_t.

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Re: Python and Db

2008-04-21 Thread Magnus Lycka

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
 
 I would like to use sqlite, But I also wanted a tutorial with the 
 basis of the sql and etc, I never dealed with dbs before

For practicing SQL on-line, I'd suggest sqlzoo.net.
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Re: manipulating class attributes from a decorator while the class is being defined

2008-04-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Wilbert Berendsen a écrit :
 Hi, is it possible to manipulate class attributes from within a decorator 
 while the class is being defined?
 
 I want to register methods with some additional values in a class attribute. 
 But I can't get a decorator to change a class attribute while the class is 
 still being defined. Something like:
 
 class Parser(object):
   
   regexps = []
   def reg(regexp):
 def deco(func):
   regexps.append((regexp, func))
   return func
 return deco
   
   @reg(r'.*')
   def quoted_string(self):
 pass
 
 How can I reach the class attribute `regexps' from within a decorator?

Simple answer : you can't. Because, as you noticed, the class object 
doesn't exist yet.

The canonical solutions are either to store regexps outside the class 
(ie: as a module level variable) - which can be problematic in some 
cases -, or to use a two-pass scheme using a decorator and a metaclass, 
where the decorator annotate the function with required informations for 
latter processing, and the metaclass do the effective processing.

There are of course other solutions, some of them possibly simpler. The 
'best' solution of course depends on intented use of your class...

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Re: manipulating class attributes from a decorator while the class is being defined

2008-04-21 Thread Duncan Booth
Wilbert Berendsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, is it possible to manipulate class attributes from within a
 decorator while the class is being defined?
 
 I want to register methods with some additional values in a class
 attribute. But I can't get a decorator to change a class attribute
 while the class is still being defined. Something like:
 
 class Parser(object):
   
   regexps = []
   def reg(regexp):
 def deco(func):
   regexps.append((regexp, func))
   return func
 return deco
   
   @reg(r'.*')
   def quoted_string(self):
 pass
 
 How can I reach the class attribute `regexps' from within a decorator?
 

Have you tried passing regexps into the decorator as a default argument?

  def reg(regexp, regexps=regexps):
def deco(func):
  regexps.append((regexp, func))
  return func
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Opposite of repr() (kind of)

2008-04-21 Thread Guillermo

Hi there,

How can I turn a string into a callable object/function?

I have a = 'len', and I want to do: if callable(eval(a)): print
callable, but that doesn't quite work the way I want. :)

Regards,

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Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Apr 21)

2008-04-21 Thread Gabriel Genellina
QOTW:  But people will always prefer complaining on the grounds of
insufficient information to keeping quiet on the basis of knowledge. - Steve
Holden
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/007b9fea0a5db786


Speed of Python vs C when reading, sorting and writing data:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/172902584511f19e/

The GIL was murdered - but it refuses to die:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/2d537ad8df9dab67/

The obvious way to declare per-instance properties doesn't work:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/c14aae97eb7c19d8/

Metaprogramming example (metaclasses and descriptors):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/e4144d9c8fafe29a/

Concerns about the migration to 3.0 (Python and C code):

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/25c4c3175569fa37/

The future replacement of string % formatting in Python 3.x:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/f07feff4f01be76f/

How widely adopted is Python 2.5?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5f15ac04993dfb9/

What to learn after Python: Java, C++, ...?

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5d8be7aca2cd6d49/

Many people filter out messages posted thru Google Groups:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/a90b84c4f8987b3f/



Everything Python-related you want is probably one or two clicks away in
these pages:

Python.org's Python Language Website is the traditional
center of Pythonia
http://www.python.org
Notice especially the master FAQ
http://www.python.org/doc/FAQ.html

PythonWare complements the digest you're reading with the
marvelous daily python url
 http://www.pythonware.com/daily
Mygale is a news-gathering webcrawler that specializes in (new)
World-Wide Web articles related to Python.
 http://www.awaretek.com/nowak/mygale.html
While cosmetically similar, Mygale and the Daily Python-URL
are utterly different in their technologies and generally in
their results.

Just beginning with Python?  This page is a great place to start:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

The Python Papers aims to publish the efforts of Python enthusiats:
http://pythonpapers.org/
The Python Magazine is a technical monthly devoted to Python:
http://pythonmagazine.com

Readers have recommended the Planet sites:
http://planetpython.org
http://planet.python.org

comp.lang.python.announce announces new Python software.  Be
sure to scan this newsgroup weekly.

http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djqas_ugroup=comp.lang.python.announce

Python411 indexes podcasts ... to help people learn Python ...
Updates appear more-than-weekly:
http://www.awaretek.com/python/index.html

Steve Bethard continues the marvelous tradition early borne by
Andrew Kuchling, Michael Hudson, Brett Cannon, Tony Meyer, and Tim
Lesher of intelligently summarizing action on the python-dev mailing
list once every other week.
http://www.python.org/dev/summary/

The Python Package Index catalogues packages.
http://www.python.org/pypi/

The somewhat older Vaults of Parnassus ambitiously collects references
to all sorts of Python resources.
http://www.vex.net/~x/parnassus/

Much of Python's real work takes place on Special-Interest Group
mailing lists
http://www.python.org/sigs/

Python Success Stories--from air-traffic control to on-line
match-making--can inspire you or decision-makers to whom you're
subject with a vision of what the language makes practical.
http://www.pythonology.com/success

The Python Software Foundation (PSF) has replaced the Python
Consortium as an independent nexus of activity.  It has official
responsibility for Python's development and maintenance.
http://www.python.org/psf/
Among the ways you can support PSF is with a donation.
http://www.python.org/psf/donate.html

Kurt B. Kaiser publishes a weekly report on faults and patches.
http://www.google.com/groups?as_usubject=weekly%20python%20patch

Although unmaintained since 2002, the Cetus collection of Python
hyperlinks retains a few gems.
http://www.cetus-links.org/oo_python.html

Python FAQTS
http://python.faqts.com/

The Cookbook is a collaborative effort to capture useful and
interesting recipes.
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python

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Re: Help needed - I don't understand how Python manages memory

2008-04-21 Thread Andrew MacIntyre
Hank @ITGroup wrote:

 In order to deal with 400 thousands texts consisting of 80 million 
 words, and huge sets of corpora , I have to be care about the memory 
 things. I need to track every word's behavior, so there needs to be as 
 many word-objects as words.
 I am really suffering from the memory problem, even 4G  memory space can 
 not survive... Only 10,000 texts can kill it in 2 minutes.
 By the way, my program has been optimized to ``del`` the objects after 
 traversing, in order not to store the information in memory all the time.

In addition to all the other advice you've been given, I've found it can
pay dividends in memory consumption when each instance of a value (such
as a string) references only 1 object.  This is often referred to as
interning.  Automatic interning is only performed for a small subset
of possibilities.

For example:

  z1 = 10
  z2 = 10
  z1 is z2
True
  z1 = 1000
  z2 = 1000
  z1 is z2
False
  z1 = 'test'
  z2 = 'test'
  z1 is z2
True
  z1 = 'this is a test string pattern'
  z2 = 'this is a test string pattern'
  z1 is z2
False

Careful use of interning can get a double boost: cutting memory 
consumption and allowing comparisons to short circuit on identity.  It
does cost in maintaining the dictionary that interns the objects though,
and tracking reference counts can be much harder.

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Re: Alternate indent proposal for python 3000

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Apr, 00:54, Dan Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We wouldn't even need that.  Just a new source encoding.  Then we
 could write:

 # -*- coding: end-block -*-

[...]

Someone at EuroPython 2007 did a lightning talk showing working code
which provided C-style block structuring using this mechanism. My
brother then jokingly suggested to Martijn Faassen that if someone
plugged the 2to3 converter in as a source file encoding handler, his
worries about migrating to Python 3 would disappear. I'm waiting to
see if anyone actually bothered to make that happen, albeit for
amusement purposes only.

Paul

P.S. EuroPython 2008 is now accepting talks, especially ones on the
language, Python 3000, and other implementations. See http://www.europython.org/
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Re: How to insert multiple rows in SQLite Dbase

2008-04-21 Thread afandi
On Apr 1, 12:22 am, afandi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mar 30, 4:46 am, Gerhard Häring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Gabriel Genellina wrote:
   [...]
   and execute:
   cur.executemany(insert into log (IP, EntryDate, Requestt, ErrorCode)
   values (:ip, :date, :request, :errorcode), values)

  It's probably worth mentioning that pysqlite's executemany() accepts
  anything iterable for its parameter. So you don't need to build a list
  beforehand to enjoy the performance boost of executemany().

  The deluxe version with generators could look like this:

  def parse_logfile():
  logf = open(...)
  for line in logf:
  if ...:
row = (value1, value2, value3)
yield row
  logf.close()

  ...

  cur.executemany(insert into ... values (c1, c2, c3), parse_logfile())

  -- Gerhard

  PS: pysqlite internally has a statement cache since verson 2.2, so
 multipleexecute() calls are almost as fast as executemany().

 Thanks regards to your suggestion, but I don't understand why we have
 to put the IF statement?

I have the solution.Thanks
split it using REgex to [] [] []
parse to Database
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PIL font encoding

2008-04-21 Thread Laszlo Nagy
def getfnt(size):
return ImageFont.truetype(cartoon.ttf,size,encoding='unic')

Using the above function, I cannot draw special german characters. E.g.

u'L\xfctgendorf'


It will print Lutgendorf instead of Lütgendorf. Much more 
interesting is that I can also do this:

def getfnt(size):
return 
ImageFont.truetype(cartoon.ttf,size,encoding='put_somethin_here_it_has_no_effect
 
WHAT?? ')

Same results. Shouldn't the truetype constructor raise an exception if 
the encoding is invalid and/or not available with the selected font?

BTW my cartoon.ttf font is able to print Lütgendorf. I have tested 
it from GIMP. So I'm 100% sure that the problem is with PIL.

Thank you,

   Laszlo


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Somebody *really* got fond of python

2008-04-21 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
http://xkcd.com/413/

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Re: Opposite of repr() (kind of)

2008-04-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Guillermo a écrit :
 Hi there,
 
 How can I turn a string into a callable object/function?

Depends on what's in your string.

 I have a = 'len', and I want to do: if callable(eval(a)): print
 callable, but that doesn't quite work the way I want. :)

Works here:
Python 2.5.1 (r251:54863, May  2 2007, 16:56:35)
[GCC 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)] on linux2
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
  a = len
  callable(eval(a))
True
 

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Help with Python+Bazaar+Launchpad

2008-04-21 Thread TimeHorse
Hello,

I am trying to to create a branch of the bzr mirror for the current
Python Trunk 2.6 development so I can finish my work on Issue 2636.  I
am not a core developer but am trying to create this branch so it can
be reviewed by a core developer I am working with.  Because I develop
on multiple machines, I want to set up a central repository for my
branch database and would like to use Launchpad to host it.  Python's
bzr archive is mirrored on launchpad via the bzr address lp:python, so
that should be the parent branch.  I can create a branch on 1 machine
locally, but I cannot upload (push) that branch onto launchpad, which
is preventing me from doing my development because I don't have access
to all machines at all times.  I need to have one shared branch
between all my development platforms.  So, I have tried and failed at
all the following:

1) Click the create branch button on the launchpad interface; this
creates an empty branch which cannot be populated.

2) Branch from lp:python to a local install then branch from that then
try and upload to launchpad.  But that means my branch is the child of
the child of the mainline-trunk, so merging is too complicated.

3) Branch directly onto launchpad via bzr branch lp:python bzr+ssh://
name@bazaar.launchpad.net/~name/python/branch-name.  This
creates a NON-empty branch on Launchpad but I cannot check it out or
pull it.  Also, it would not be created as a tree-less (--no-trees)
which is how it should be created.

4) I have tried to directly use my first branch from step 2 (from
lp:python to my local disc) to push an instance onto launchpad, but
this creates an empty branch too, and as an empty branch it cannot be
checked out or pulled.

I know the type of Bazaar setup I want is the type specified in
Chapter 5 of the User Guild: decentralized, multi-platform, single- or
multiple-user.  I just can't figure out how to do that with a branch
from python.  Chapter 5 talks about setting up a new database with
init-repo and pushing new content, but I want to take a branch of an
existing database and push it to the public launchpad server.  I just
can't for the life of me figure out how to do it.  I have bzr 1.3 and
1.3.1 and neither have succeeded.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I've totally lost an entire
weekend of development which I could have used to complete item 1 of
my issue and run gprof over the new engine.  I really need help with
all this difficult administrative stuff so I can get back to
development and get things done in time for the June beta.  PLEASE
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Re: Opposite of repr() (kind of)

2008-04-21 Thread TimeHorse
On Apr 21, 7:05 am, Guillermo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,

 How can I turn a string into a callable object/function?

 I have a = 'len', and I want to do: if callable(eval(a)): print
 callable, but that doesn't quite work the way I want. :)

 Regards,

 Guillermo

What version of Python are you using?  I just tried
callable(eval('len')) on Python 2.5.1 and got True, and eval('len')
returns built-in function len.
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Re: I just killed GIL!!!

2008-04-21 Thread Carl Banks
On Apr 20, 10:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Carl Banks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Apr 17, 3:37 am, Jonathan Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Using 100% of the CPU is a bug, not a feature.

 No it isn't.  That idea is borne of the narrowmindedness of people who
 write server-like network apps.  What's true for web servers isn't
 true for every application.

 Only when you have only one application running on a machine.

Needless pedantry.

Using 100% of the CPU time a OS allow a process to have is not
necessarily a bug.  Happy?


Carl Banks
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Re: SWIG (Python) - no constructor defined for concrete class

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Melis
Stodge wrote:
 Yet another SWIG question (YASQ!).
 
 I'm having a problem with using an abstract base class. When
 generating the Python bindings, SWIG thinks that all the concrete
 classes that derive from this abstract class are abstract too and
 won't create the correct constructor.
 
 Abstract class:
 
 [source lang=cpp]class CORE_API Shape
 {
 public:
   virtual ~Shape()
   {
 nshapes--;
   };
   double  x, y;
   virtual void move(double dx, double dy);
   virtual double area(void) = 0;
   virtual double perimeter(void) = 0;
   static  int nshapes;
 protected:
   Shape() {
 nshapes++;
   }
 
 };
 [/source]
 
 Derived classes:
 
 [source lang=cpp]class CORE_API Circle : public Shape
 {
 private:
   double radius;
 public:
   Circle(double r): Shape(), radius(r)
   {
   };
   virtual double area(void);
   virtual double perimeter(void);
 };
 
 class CORE_API Square : public Shape
 {
 private:
   double width;
 public:
   Square(double r): Shape(), width(r)
   {
   };
   virtual double area(void);
   virtual double perimeter(void);
 };
 [/source]
 
 SWIG file:
 
 [source lang=cpp]class Shape
 {
   virtual void move(double dx, double dy);
   virtual double area(void) = 0;
   virtual double perimeter(void) = 0;
 };
 
 class Circle: public Shape
 {
   Circle(double r);
   virtual double area(void);
   virtual double perimeter(void);
 };
 
 
 class Square: public Shape
 {
   Square(double r);
   virtual double area(void);
   virtual double perimeter(void);
 };
 [/source]
 
 C++ COde:
 
 [source lang=cpp]   Circle c(1.02);
   std::cout  (c++)\t\tCircle\t  c.area()  std::endl;
   Square s(9.20);
   std::cout  (c++)\t\tSquare\t  s.area()  std::endl;
 
 [/source]
 
 For some reason SWIG thinks that Circle and Square are abstract. Any
 ideas why? I'm rather confused by this.

See section 6.6.2 of the SWIG documentation (SWIG and C++ - Default 
constructors, copy constructors and implicit destructors).

Your abstract base class defines its default constructor in the 
protected section. From the docs:

Default constructors and implicit destructors are not created if any 
base class defines a non-public default constructor or destructor.

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Batteries Included...

2008-04-21 Thread Ant
Today's XKCD comic has a nice Python reference!

http://xkcd.com/413/
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Re: Opposite of repr() (kind of)

2008-04-21 Thread Guillermo

This must be the dumbest question ever...

Solved.

On Apr 21, 1:05 pm, Guillermo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi there,

 How can I turn a string into a callable object/function?

 I have a = 'len', and I want to do: if callable(eval(a)): print
 callable, but that doesn't quite work the way I want. :)

 Regards,

 Guillermo

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Re: Somebody *really* got fond of python

2008-04-21 Thread Ant
On Apr 21, 12:23 pm, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://xkcd.com/413/

 :)

Didn't realise you'd posted this when I posted my Batteries
Included... post. Amused me as well!
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Re: manipulating class attributes from a decorator while the class is being defined

2008-04-21 Thread Gerard Flanagan
On Apr 19, 11:19 pm, Wilbert Berendsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, is it possible to manipulate class attributes from within a decorator
 while the class is being defined?

 I want to register methods with some additional values in a class attribute.
 But I can't get a decorator to change a class attribute while the class is
 still being defined. Something like:

 class Parser(object):

   regexps = []
   def reg(regexp):
 def deco(func):
   regexps.append((regexp, func))
   return func
 return deco

   @reg(r'.*')
   def quoted_string(self):
 pass

 How can I reach the class attribute `regexps' from within a decorator?

 Thanks for any help,
 Wilbert Berendsen

 --http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/
 You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
 -- Mahatma Gandhi

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def reg(regexp):
def deco(func):
def inner(self, *args, **kw):
if not hasattr(self, 'regexps'):
self.regexps = []
self.regexps.append((regexp, func))
return func(self, *args, **kw)
return inner
return deco

class Parser(object):

regexps = []


@reg(r'.*')
def quoted_string(self):
print 'hi'



p = Parser()

p.quoted_string()

print p.regexps
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Re: PIL font encoding

2008-04-21 Thread Steve Holden
Laszlo Nagy wrote:
 def getfnt(size):
 return ImageFont.truetype(cartoon.ttf,size,encoding='unic')
 
 Using the above function, I cannot draw special german characters. E.g.
 
 u'L\xfctgendorf'
 
 
 It will print Lutgendorf instead of Lütgendorf. Much more 
 interesting is that I can also do this:
 
 def getfnt(size):
 return 
 ImageFont.truetype(cartoon.ttf,size,encoding='put_somethin_here_it_has_no_effect
  
 WHAT?? ')
 
 Same results. Shouldn't the truetype constructor raise an exception if 
 the encoding is invalid and/or not available with the selected font?
 
 BTW my cartoon.ttf font is able to print Lütgendorf. I have tested 
 it from GIMP. So I'm 100% sure that the problem is with PIL.
 
 Thank you,
 
Laszlo
 
 
You will be more likely to find assistance for this specific issue via 
the image-SIG mailing list, see

   http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/image-sig

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Re: Finally had to plonk google gorups.

2008-04-21 Thread NickC
Hmm, according to this thread I probably shouldn't bother even trying
to contribute to c.l.p discussions that are highlighted in the Python-
URL announcements, even in cases where I think a core developer's
perspective may be of interest. As someone that only posts here
rarely, and uses Google Groups with a Gmail address to do so, it
sounds like I'll be kill-filed by a lot of people regardless of the
contents of what I post.

*shrug* Ah well, such is life.

Cheers,
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Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-21 Thread NickC
On Apr 15, 1:46 pm, Brian Vanderburg II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 This will automatically call the constructors of any contained objects
 to initialize the string.  The implicit assignment operator
 automatically performs the assignment of any contained objects.
 Destruction is also automatic.  When 'p1' goes out of scope, during the
 destructor the destructor for all contained objects is called.

Yeah, C++ does try to be helpful, and all of those automatic copy
constructor, assignment operator and destructor implementations screw
up royally when confronted with pointers (and being able to use
pointers is basically the whole reason for bothering to write anything
in C or C++ in the first place). Code which relies on these default
method implementations is almost certain to be rife with memory leaks
and double-free bugs. So instead of being a convenience, they become a
painfully easy way of writing code that silently does some very, very
wrong things.

Other things like methods (including destructors!) being non-virtual
by default also make C++ code annoyingly easy to get wrong (without it
obviously looking wrong).

The whole design of C++ is riddled with premature optimisation of
speed and memory usage in the default settings, instead of choosing
safe defaults and providing concise ways of allowing the programmer to
say I know optimisation X is safe here, please use it.

And the result? Any serious project in the language has to adopt it's
own techniques for avoiding all those traps, and those techniques are
likely to eliminate any supposed optimisations provided by the choices
of the C++ committee, while filling a code base with boilerplate that
only exists for the purpose of working around defects in the language
design (Scott Meyers has written at length about the worst of these
issues, far more clearly and eloquently than I ever could [1]).

That said, C++ code has one *huge* benefit over ordinary C code, which
is scope-controlled deletion of objects, and the associated Resource-
Acquisition-Is-Initialisation model. Even without using exceptions
(although those are handy as well), RAII is an excellent way of
guaranteeing that memory is freed, files are closed, or other
resources are released when a block of code is finished. RAII was
actually one of the inspirations behind the final form of PEP 343's
with statement.

Cheers,
Nick.

[1]http://www.amazon.com/Effective-Specific-Addison-Wesley-
Professional-Computing/dp/0201924889
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Re: I just killed GIL!!!

2008-04-21 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carl Banks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 20, 10:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Carl Banks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 17, 3:37 am, Jonathan Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Using 100% of the CPU is a bug, not a feature.

No it isn't.  That idea is borne of the narrowmindedness of people who
write server-like network apps.  What's true for web servers isn't
true for every application.

 Only when you have only one application running on a machine.

Needless pedantry.

Using 100% of the CPU time a OS allow a process to have is not
necessarily a bug.  Happy?

Not really; my comment is about the same level of pedantry as yours.
Jonathan's comment was clearly in the context of inappropriate CPU usage
(e.g. spin-polling).  Obviously, there are cases where hammering on the
CPU for doing a complex calculation may be appropriate, but in those
cases, you will want to ensure that your application gets as much CPU as
possible by removing all unnecessary CPU usage by other apps.
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xkcd strikes again

2008-04-21 Thread Aahz
http://xkcd.com/413/

(As usual, make sure to read the alt text.)
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how to pass C++ object to another C++ function via Python function

2008-04-21 Thread grbgooglefan
I am trying to pass a C++ object to Python function. This Python
function then calls another C++ function which then uses this C++
object to call methods of that object's class.

I tried something like this, but it did not work, gave core dump.

class myclass {
  public:
   myclass(){};
   ~myclass(){};
   void printmyname() { printf(I am myclass, num=%d\n,num); };
};

main(){
myclass myobj

   char funcbody[]=\
def pyfunction(t167,classobj):\n\
 onemorefunc(t167,\NONAMe\)\n\
 return 10\n\
\n\n;

// compile this Python function using PyRun_String  get its pointer
by PyObject_GetAttrString.
// Later call it as below:
   myclass myobj(23);
   PyObject *pTuple = 0;
   pTuple = PyTuple_New(2);
   PyTuple_SetItem(pTuple,0,PyString_FromString(NAME)); // for t167
parameter
   PyObject *inputarg = Py_BuildValue(OO,pTuple,myobj); // for
classobj parameter

   result = PyObject_CallObject(pPyEvalFunction,inputarg);
}

How can I pass this class object to Python function?
Is it possible to set it in tuple using PyTuple_SetItem, because I may
have varying number of arguments for my Python functions  that's why
I can't use Py_BuildValue.
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Re: Finally had to plonk google gorups.

2008-04-21 Thread Torsten Bronger
Hallöchen!

NickC writes:

 Hmm, according to this thread I probably shouldn't bother even
 trying to contribute to c.l.p discussions that are highlighted in
 the Python- URL announcements, even in cases where I think a core
 developer's perspective may be of interest. As someone that only
 posts here rarely, and uses Google Groups with a Gmail address to
 do so, it sounds like I'll be kill-filed by a lot of people
 regardless of the contents of what I post.

I don't think that their fraction is significant.  Be that as it
may, I'm not one of those who accept high amounts of false positives
in their anti-spam strategy.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: how to pass C++ object to another C++ function via Python function

2008-04-21 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
grbgooglefan wrote:

 I am trying to pass a C++ object to Python function. This Python
 function then calls another C++ function which then uses this C++
 object to call methods of that object's class.

You might consider using a C++-wrapper like SIP, Swig or Boost::Python to do
this.

If you don't like that, all I can think of would be to return the address of
the object as integer, and pass that around. Then in the appropriate
C++-call, cast that integer to the object. butt-ugly and -10 style-points
though.

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Re: Nested lists, simple though

2008-04-21 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
 The first idea that comes to mind is reduce(lambda x, y: x + y,
 list_of_lists, [])

Which is not helping for arbitrary nested lists, as the OP wanted.

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Re: py3k concerns. An example

2008-04-21 Thread Paul McGuire
On Apr 19, 4:42 am, Carl Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you don't like Python 3, DON'T USE IT.


I've read this position a number of times in this and related threads,
and it overlooks one constituency of Python developers - those who
develop and support modules for use by other Python users.  As the
supporter of pyparsing, I really can't just not use Py3 - ignoring
Py3 means shutting out/holding back those of my users who do want to
use it, and pretty much consigning my module to eventual dustbin
status.  Ideally, I can implement some form of cross-compatible code
so that I need maintain only a single code base, and I have managed to
do so on a number of fronts (with the help of Robert A. Clark):
- add support for both __bool__ and __nonzero__ (__nonzero__ calls
__bool__, so that upgrading to Py3 actually saves a function call)
- convert isinstance(x,basestring) to isinstance(x,__BASESTRING__) and
dynamically set __BASESTRING__ to basestring or str
- similar treatment for sys.maxint/maxsize - __MAX_INT__

I dodged a bullet when 3.0a3 added back in support for the 2.x form of
except for exception handling.  3.0a2 only supported except varname
as ExceptionType: and there was no way I could do this in a multi-
version compatible way.

My remaining hassle is print as function vs. print as statement.  I
provide a number of default diagnostic methods, and I have not fully
gotten all to print nice - converting print x to print (x) is
simple enough, and print (x,y) replaces print x,y well enough when
running under Py3, but the same code in Py2.x now prints a tuple
instead of a nice string like before.  I will probably punt on the
whole issue in the next release and just use sys.write.stdout/stderr
throughout, and  .join() the args (another function call!) before
calling.

I wasn't aware of the coming deprecation of '%' string interpolation,
but at least it is deferred until 3.3, which does give me a few years
I should think before I absolutely must address it.  This is really
not so much an issue for me as it is for my customers.   Pyparsing
returns its parsed tokens using a class that is dict-like in behavior,
but without extending dict (duck-typing at its finest!).  I really
like that my users can parse an expression and access any named fields
directly and neatly in an interpolated string using %(field_name)s.
If this is removed, pyparsing will continue to work as-is, but I feel
like a nice ease-of-access mode will have been lost to those who use
it.

Overall, I think I'm getting off pretty easy, but then pyparsing is a
small module with very limited use of the standard lib.   I can
imagine that maintainers of larger libraries are having some serious
fits trying to support both versions with a single code base.  And as
much as we all love Python-the-language, language features alone do
not help a language and its community of users to grow and
proliferate.  I think most would agree that it is the cornucopia of
libraries that really make Python an environment for developing
production applications.

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Re: how to pass C++ object to another C++ function via Python function

2008-04-21 Thread Gabriel Genellina
En Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:24:15 -0300, grbgooglefan [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:

 I am trying to pass a C++ object to Python function. This Python
 function then calls another C++ function which then uses this C++
 object to call methods of that object's class.

 I tried something like this, but it did not work, gave core dump.

You can't pass any arbitrary C object to a Python function.
In this case you can use a PyCObject, a Python box around a void* pointer.
See http://docs.python.org/api/cObjects.html

 // compile this Python function using PyRun_String  get its pointer
 by PyObject_GetAttrString.
 // Later call it as below:
myclass myobj(23);
PyObject *pTuple = 0;
pTuple = PyTuple_New(2);
PyTuple_SetItem(pTuple,0,PyString_FromString(NAME)); // for t167
 parameter
PyObject *inputarg = Py_BuildValue(OO,pTuple,myobj); // for
 classobj parameter

result = PyObject_CallObject(pPyEvalFunction,inputarg);
 }

 How can I pass this class object to Python function?
 Is it possible to set it in tuple using PyTuple_SetItem, because I may
 have varying number of arguments for my Python functions  that's why
 I can't use Py_BuildValue.

You have to check every call for errors, and pay attention to the reference 
counts!
The argument passing is wrong. You never set the second tuple element. An 
easier way is using PyObject_CallFunctionObjArgs(function, arg1, arg2, NULL)

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Re: how to pass C++ object to another C++ function via Python function

2008-04-21 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Gabriel Genellina wrote:

 En Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:24:15 -0300, grbgooglefan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 escribió:
 
 I am trying to pass a C++ object to Python function. This Python
 function then calls another C++ function which then uses this C++
 object to call methods of that object's class.

 I tried something like this, but it did not work, gave core dump.
 
 You can't pass any arbitrary C object to a Python function.
 In this case you can use a PyCObject, a Python box around a void* pointer.
 See http://docs.python.org/api/cObjects.html
 

Neat! Didn't know about that one.

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Re: py3k concerns. An example

2008-04-21 Thread Stefan Behnel
Gabriel Genellina wrote:
 You have plenty of time to evaluate alternatives. Your code may become 
 obsolete even before 3.3 is shipped.

Sure, and don't forget to save two bytes when storing the year. ;)

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Re: Python 2.5 adoption

2008-04-21 Thread Aahz
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Joseph Turian  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Basically, we're planning on releasing it as open-source, and don't
want to alienate a large percentage of potential users.

Datapoint: my company still uses 2.3 and *might* upgrade to 2.4 and
later this year.  Basically, any company with lots of servers has a good
chance to still be stuck with 2.2/2.3 (we only dropped 2.2 last fall).
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Finding the selected file in Windows Explorer

2008-04-21 Thread domiriel
Hi!


I need to find the selected file(s) in a Windows Explorer window from
another program (I'd look at the window that last had focus). I found
something in the following page that should do the trick:

http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/07/20/188696.aspx

However, it is not Python and, while I'm a competent Python
programmer, Win32, COM and the like are somewhat outside my
competences.

Does any one know how to do something similar in Python?


Tks!
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Re: Java or C++?

2008-04-21 Thread rustom
On Apr 14, 11:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello, I was hoping to get some opinions on a subject. I've been
 programming Python for almost two years now. Recently I learned Perl,
 but frankly I'm not very comfortable with it. Now I want to move on
 two either Java or C++, but I'm not sure which. Which one do you think
 is a softer transition for a Python programmer? Which one do you think
 will educate me the best?

The movement from knowing no programming language to knowing one is
invariably a much larger one than the shift from one to two (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns).  That is you are
likely to get much less from this shift than what you got from python
two years ago.

So before you make this shift do ask yourself: have you got the best
of what python has to offer? I taught python in the univ for a number
of years and I would always tell my students that the library
reference gave a better conspectus of modern day computer science/IT
than anything else I knew of. [That not too many of them listened is
another matter :-) ]
Then python has a lot of advanced (new) stuff: generators and
generator expressions, comprehensions, lambdas and functional
programming, descriptors and protocols

That said you can of course choose your second language to optimize
your learning (where optimize could be minimize or maximize!)

One language that is promising (and under active development) is curl.
(http://www.curl.com)
It is targeted to be
like C++ in efficiency (native compiler not VM or interpreter)
like C#/Java in its OOP with gc style
like Javascript in supporting dynamic rich web apps
in addition to replacing HTML
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Python make like tools (was Re: [ANN] DoIt 0.1.0 Released (build tool))

2008-04-21 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Eduardo Schettino wrote:

 DoIt is a build tool that focus not only on making/building things but on
 executing any kind of tasks in an efficient way. Designed to be easy to use
 and get out of your way.

I took a look at dolt syntax, and saw this:

QQQ

def create_folder(path):
 Create folder given by path if it doesnt exist
 if not os.path.exists(path):
 os.mkdir(path)
 return True

def task_create_build_folder():
 buildFolder = jsPath + build
 return {'action':create_folder,
 'args': (buildFolder,)
 }

QQQ

Wouldn't it be more convenient to provide syntax like this:

@task(create_build_folder)
@depend(dep1 some_other_dep)
def buildf():
  buildFolder = jsPath + build
  create_folder(buildFolder)

I find the doit syntax a bit cumbersome, especially as you can avoid 
'args' by just returning a lamda in 'action'.

I've looked around a bit for python make replacement, but there does 
not seem to be a simple  straightforward solution around (read - 
straight-python syntax, one .py file installation, friendly license).
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Re: I just killed GIL!!!

2008-04-21 Thread Carl Banks
On Apr 21, 9:20 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Carl Banks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Apr 20, 10:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
  In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  Carl Banks  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 17, 3:37 am, Jonathan Gardner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Using 100% of the CPU is a bug, not a feature.

 No it isn't.  That idea is borne of the narrowmindedness of people who
 write server-like network apps.  What's true for web servers isn't
 true for every application.

  Only when you have only one application running on a machine.

 Needless pedantry.

 Using 100% of the CPU time a OS allow a process to have is not
 necessarily a bug.  Happy?

 Not really; my comment is about the same level of pedantry as yours.
 Jonathan's comment was clearly in the context of inappropriate CPU usage
 (e.g. spin-polling).

That's far from evident.  Jonathan's logic went from I'm using 100%
CPU to You must be spin-polling.  At best, Jonathan was making some
unsupported assumptions about the type of program sturlamolden had in
mind, and criticized him based on it.  But frankly, I've seen enough
people who seem to have no conception that anyone could write a useful
program without an I/O loop that it wouldn't surprise me it he meant
it generally.


 Obviously, there are cases where hammering on the
 CPU for doing a complex calculation may be appropriate, but in those
 cases, you will want to ensure that your application gets as much CPU as
 possible by removing all unnecessary CPU usage by other apps.

Nonsense.  If I'm running a background task on my desktop, say
formating a complex document for printing, I would like it to take up
as much of CPU as possible, but still have secondary priority to user
interface processes so that latency is low.


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Re: Python 2.5 adoption

2008-04-21 Thread castironpi
On Apr 21, 9:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 Joseph Turian  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Basically, we're planning on releasing it as open-source, and don't
 want to alienate a large percentage of potential users.

 Datapoint: my company still uses 2.3 and *might* upgrade to 2.4 and
 later this year.  Basically, any company with lots of servers has a good
 chance to still be stuck with 2.2/2.3 (we only dropped 2.2 last fall).
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 Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups?  

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Re: Finding the selected file in Windows Explorer

2008-04-21 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Apr 21, 9:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi!

 I need to find the selected file(s) in a Windows Explorer window from
 another program (I'd look at the window that last had focus). I found
 something in the following page that should do the trick:

 http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/07/20/188696.aspx

 However, it is not Python and, while I'm a competent Python
 programmer, Win32, COM and the like are somewhat outside my
 competences.

 Does any one know how to do something similar in Python?

 Tks!
 Domiriel

I think the guys on the PyWin32 mailing list were just talking about
something similar earlier this month. Looks like it was how to select
a file in Explorer. You can check out that thread here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html

Or just join their mailing list and re-post your question there:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-win32

They're quite nice and very knowledgeable.

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Problem setting cookie in Internet Explorer

2008-04-21 Thread sophie_newbie
Hi,

I'm using the python to set a cookie when a user logs in. Thing is it
doesn't seem to be setting properly in Internet Explorer. It works
grand in Firefox. Its basically:

c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()

c['username'] = uname

c['password'] = pword

print c

print pageContent

And thats it. I've a suspicion that it could be something to do with
the expiry time of the cookie. But I'm really not sure and don't
really know where to go with it. I've tried it on Internet Explorer on
2 machines and get the same problem.

Thanks for any help...
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Re: Python make like tools (was Re: [ANN] DoIt 0.1.0 Released (build tool))

2008-04-21 Thread Paul Boddie
On 21 Apr, 16:51, Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wouldn't it be more convenient to provide syntax like this:

 @task(create_build_folder)
 @depend(dep1 some_other_dep)
 def buildf():
   buildFolder = jsPath + build
   create_folder(buildFolder)

I'd want to make the grunt work a bit easier before breaking out the
decorators.

 I find the doit syntax a bit cumbersome, especially as you can avoid
 'args' by just returning a lamda in 'action'.

 I've looked around a bit for python make replacement, but there does
 not seem to be a simple  straightforward solution around (read -
 straight-python syntax, one .py file installation, friendly license).

Have you surveyed the landscape...?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/ConfigurationAndBuildTools

I'm inclined to think that Waf would probably meet your requirements:

http://code.google.com/p/waf/

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Re: Problem setting cookie in Internet Explorer

2008-04-21 Thread Mike Driscoll
On Apr 21, 10:13 am, sophie_newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm using the python to set a cookie when a user logs in. Thing is it
 doesn't seem to be setting properly in Internet Explorer. It works
 grand in Firefox. Its basically:

 c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()

 c['username'] = uname

 c['password'] = pword

 print c

 print pageContent

 And thats it. I've a suspicion that it could be something to do with
 the expiry time of the cookie. But I'm really not sure and don't
 really know where to go with it. I've tried it on Internet Explorer on
 2 machines and get the same problem.

 Thanks for any help...

Did you make sure cookies are enabled in Internet Explorer?

You might also take a look at these pages:

http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/cookielib.shtml
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/recipebook.shtml#cookielib

They seem quite informative.

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Re: MySQL hardcoding?

2008-04-21 Thread John Nagle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got this error (see the path in last line)
 
 db=MySQLdb.connect(host='localhost',use_unicode = True, charset = 
 Windows-1251,user='root',passwd='12',db='articulos')
   File C:\Python24\Lib\site-packages\MySQLdb\__init__.py, line 74, in 
 Connect
 return Connection(*args, **kwargs)
   File C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\MySQLdb\connections.py, line 198, in 
 __init__
 self.set_character_set(charset)
   File C:\Python24\lib\site-packages\MySQLdb\connections.py, line 277, in 
 set_character_set
 super(Connection, self).set_character_set(charset)
 OperationalError: (2019, Can't initialize character set Windows-1251 (path: 
 C:\\mysqlshare\\charsets\\))
 
 The truth of the matter is, MySQL is not installed in that path, but into 
 Program Files.
 I don't know where the hardcoding is, but it is certainly somewhere. Except 
 MySQL is reporting a wrong installation path.
 I haven't found any other topic in the list about this problem.
 
 I'm using Python 2.4 and latest MySQLdb. Have anyone heard of this issue and 
 how to fix it?
 
 Thanks a lot.

Well, for one thing, MySQL doesn't have a character set called 
Windows-1251, which is an obsolete Cyrillic variant of Windows.
See the list of MySQL character sets at:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charset-charsets.html;

MySQL does have cp1251, which is apparently the same thing.

Be aware that in Python, there are really only two character
sets - ASCII and Unicode.  The upper code page thing is deprecated,
and you can't do some string operations on characters with values  128.
It's best to convert input to Unicode, run everything in Python in
Unicode, send to the database in utf8, and store your data in utf8.

You have use_unicode set to True.  If you're going to run
the MySQL connection in Unicode, you should use utf8 talking to the
database, and Unicode strings in Python.  Otherwise, you have to
understand very clearly exactly how both Python and MySQL handle
character sets, and how this changes in Python 2.4, 2.5, and 3.x.

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Re: Python make like tools (was Re: [ANN] DoIt 0.1.0 Released (build tool))

2008-04-21 Thread Eduardo Schettino

  I took a look at dolt syntax, and saw this:

  QQQ

  def create_folder(path):
  Create folder given by path if it doesnt exist
  if not os.path.exists(path):
  os.mkdir(path)
  return True

  def task_create_build_folder():
  buildFolder = jsPath + build
  return {'action':create_folder,
  'args': (buildFolder,)
  }

  QQQ

  Wouldn't it be more convenient to provide syntax like this:

  @task(create_build_folder)
  @depend(dep1 some_other_dep)
  def buildf():
   buildFolder = jsPath + build
   create_folder(buildFolder)

  I find the doit syntax a bit cumbersome, especially as you can avoid
  'args' by just returning a lamda in 'action'.


My idea was to: do *not* add any new syntax (to avoid being
cumbersome). It is just python, you dont have to import or subclass
anything. You just need to create a function that returns a dictionary
with some predefined keys.

I though about using decorators in the beginning... but returning a
dictionary looked easier to implement and more flexible. one important
feature is how easy to define a group of task with the same action.
Take a look at the example below on running pychecker in all python
files from a folder. I couldnt figure out an easy way of doing it with
decorators.

import glob;
pyFiles = glob.glob('*.py')

def task_checker():
for f in pyFiles:
yield {'action': pychecker %s% f,
   'name':f,
   'dependencies':(f,)}

Another advantage of using just a dictionary to define a task is that
it will be easy to read tasks from a text file (if it is very simple
and you dont need to write any python script). but not implemented
yet.

I though about using decorator for simple python-tasks but in a different way:

@task
def create_folder(path):
Create folder given by path if it doesnt exist
if not os.path.exists(path):
os.mkdir(path)
   return True

so if your python function is a task and you will use it only once you
dont need to define a function for the 'action' and another function
to create the task. but not implement yet also.


  I've looked around a bit for python make replacement, but there does
  not seem to be a simple  straightforward solution around (read -
  straight-python syntax, one .py file installation, friendly license).

apart from one .py file installation (easy_install is not enough?)
thats what i am trying to do.

thanks for the feedback.
cheers,
  Eduardo
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Tweaking PEP-234 to improve Duck Typing

2008-04-21 Thread Greg Kochanski
Id'a like to raise an issue that was partially discussed in
2006 ( 
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/1811df36f2a131fd/435ba1cae670aecf?lnk=stq=python+iterators+duck+typing#435ba1cae670aecf
 
) with the half-promise that it would be revisited before Python 3000.
Now's the last chance.


What is Duck Typing?Ultimately, the goal is that if you do something 
stupid, Python will give you a big fat error message
fairly soon after the stupid code was executed.  Without effective
duck typing, we'd be forced to put in lots of test code
everywhere, something like
assert isinstance(x, list)

Doing so would be bad because our python would become cluttered
and less able to be polymorphic/reused.   Nuff said.

Now, where does duck typing fail in modern Python?   In this case:

def foo(x):
for i in x:
doSomething(i)
for i in x:
somethingElse(i)

Function foo() is unsafe as part of any API because you never
know whether someone is going to pass it a list or an iterator.
For me, doing scientific programming, this is a *very* common
use case.   doSomething() may collect statistics or look for
bad data, then somethingElse() does the main computation.

Now, if foo() is somehow passed an iterator, the second loop
will fail silently, leading to much hair pulling and gnashing of
teeth.   Some might say serves you right for making a mistake!,
but I've always suspected that such people go around insulting
victims of traffic accidents.

Of *course* there are ways to work around the problem.
Using Java is one, adding assert statements is another,
writing detailed docstrings is a third.  However, none are nearly
as good as duck typing.Adding x=list(x) near the top of the
function should work, but at a horrible cost in efficiency
if it's a big list.

It seems that the 2006 discussion barely missed the right solution:

1) Create a new standard exception IteratorExhausted; it will
be a subclass of StopIteration.

2) StopIteration is raised when the iterator runs out of data.
If it.next() is called again, then IteratorExhausted should be raised.

3) For loops will be set to trap IteratorExhausted and raise
and error (perhaps raise a TypeError, Iterator used in two for loops).


POSITIVE IMPACT:
This will reduce the transition difficulties to python 3.0
due to changes of zip() and other functions from lists to iterators.

Any code of the form

foo(zip(a,b))  or foo(map(...)) or foo(filter(...))

or a few other things would become silently wrong in python 3.0.   With 
this modification, it will be noisy wrong.   (Much better!)

Since IteratorExhausted is a subclass of StopIteration, normal uses of
StopIteration will be unaffected. Code that sticks to the current
PEP-234 will continue to work absolutely unchanged.

NEGATIVE IMPACT:

Code in the form below will fail noisily if it was intended to be
used with current PEP-234 iterators and if the upper loop does not 
terminate early.   (But it will work correctly if handed a list.)

def bar(x):
for i in x:
if someThing(i):
break
for i in x:
anotherThing(i)

However, note that this code will give different results  depending
if it is passed an iterator or a list, so it's somewhat dangerous
anyway.I suspect this is a rare case compared to all the
python 3.0 upheaval. However, it can be fixed fairly easily and
efficiently by simply putting a try...except statement around the
second for loop.

I believe that it will add no silent failures to 2.5 code run on
Python3.0 and will convert many silent failures into noisy failures.
In my book, that's a Good Thing.  Overall, I believe it will reduce
the pain of Python 3.0 and increase the uptake rate.


Comments appreciated.  (Not that I could avoid them, anyway!)


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Does Python 2.5.2's embedded SQLite support full text searching?

2008-04-21 Thread python
Does Python 2.5.2's embedded SQLite support full text searching?

Any recommendations on a source where one can find out which SQLite
features are enabled/disabled in each release of Python? I'm trying to
figure out what's available in 2.5.2 as well as what to expect in 2.6
and 3.0.

Thank you,
Malcolm

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Financial Modeling with Python by Shayne Fletcher, Christopher Gardner

2008-04-21 Thread orpap
Just saw at amazon.com reference to the following book that might be
available later this year:

Financial Modeling with Python [IMPORT] (Hardcover)
by Shayne Fletcher (Author), Christopher Gardner (Author)

Availability: Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available.

Product Details

* Hardcover: 352 pages
* Publisher: John Wiley and Sons Ltd (November 10, 2008)
* ISBN-10: 0470987847
* ISBN-13: 978-0470987841
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Would be nice if the authors or publisher could post to this group an
outline or draft table of contents of the book.
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Re: Help needed - I don't understand how Python manages memory

2008-04-21 Thread sturlamolden
On Apr 21, 4:09 am, Gabriel Genellina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I'm not sure if this will help the OP at all - going into a world of dangling 
 pointers, keeping track of ownership, releasing memory by hand... One of the 
 good things of Python is automatic memory management. Ensuring that all 
 references to an object are released (the standard Python way) is FAR easier 
 than doing all that by hand.

The owner was complaining he could not manually release memory using
del, as if it was Python's equivalent of a C++ delete[] operator. I
showed him how it could be done. I did not say manual memory
management is a good idea.






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Re: Problem setting cookie in Internet Explorer

2008-04-21 Thread sophie_newbie
On Apr 21, 4:24 pm, Mike Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Apr 21, 10:13 am, sophie_newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  Hi,

  I'm using the python to set a cookie when a user logs in. Thing is it
  doesn't seem to be setting properly in Internet Explorer. It works
  grand in Firefox. Its basically:

  c = Cookie.SimpleCookie()

  c['username'] = uname

  c['password'] = pword

  print c

  print pageContent

  And thats it. I've a suspicion that it could be something to do with
  the expiry time of the cookie. But I'm really not sure and don't
  really know where to go with it. I've tried it on Internet Explorer on
  2 machines and get the same problem.

  Thanks for any help...

 Did you make sure cookies are enabled in Internet Explorer?

 You might also take a look at these pages:

 http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/articles/cookielib.shtmlhttp://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/recipebook.shtml#cookielib

 They seem quite informative.

 Mike

Ya cookies are def enabled, will check that out thanks!
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Re: Python make like tools (was Re: [ANN] DoIt 0.1.0 Released (build tool))

2008-04-21 Thread Eduardo Schettino
I guess I should post a link to the project in this thread...

http://python-doit.sourceforge.net/
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Re: Database vs Data Structure?

2008-04-21 Thread castironpi
On Apr 19, 10:56 pm, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:27:20 -0700, Scott David Daniels
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:

         Hijacking as with the gmail kill filter I had to apply...

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Are databases truly another language from Python, fundamentally?

         Databases predate Python by decades... Though getting hardware fast
 enough to implement the current darling -- relational -- did take a few
 years.

         In my college days, database textbooks introduced: Hierarchical (IBM
 IMS, I believe was the archetype used, though there were many others);
 DBTG (Data Base Task Group) Network (the DBMS on the Xerox Sigma-6 at my
 campus was a network model); and then gave Relational as an
 experimental/theoretical format. About two years after I graduated, the
 revised versions of the textbooks started with Relational, and then
 listed hierarchical and network as historical formats.

         In hierarchical and network, one had to explicitly code for the way
 the data was stored... In simple form: hierarchical required one to
 access from a top-level record, which then had fields comprising
 related data (and could have multiple occurrences).

 Invoice:        has customer number, name, address, etc. and a field for
 line items... The line items were a subtree: item number, description,
 quantity, price, extended price...

         Network extended the hierarchical model by allowing access to the
 subtrees from multiple different types of parent trees.

         Relational started life as a theory of how to view the data --
 independent of how it is stored -- comprising relations (which are NOT
 the links between tables. In relational theory the terms equate as:

 Common/Lay                      Theory
 table                                   relation
 column                                  domain
 row/record                              tuple

 relation meant that all the data in each tuple was related to the
 others. The SQL relationship operators that are used to link separate
 tables are not where relational database comes from.

         SQL started life as a query language -- also independent of how the
 data is stored. however, it fit into relational theory easily... Maybe
 because it sort of combines relational algebra and relational calculus.



  Classic qualities for a database that don't normally apply to Python
  (all properties of a transaction -- bundled set of changes):

         Examples might have been useful G

       * Atomicity:
          A transaction either is fully applied or not applied at all.

         Well... self-explanatory...

       * Consistency:
          Transactions applied to a database with invariants preserve
          those invariants (things like balance sheets totals).

         One of the key ones...

         update accounts set
                 balance = balance - 100
         where accountnum = from account;
         update accounts set
                 balance = balance + 100
         where accountnum = to account;

         A failure between the two update statements MUST ensure that no
 changes were made to the database... Otherwise, one would lose 100 into
 the vapor. (This example does link back to the A and is more on the
 user side -- the code needs to specify that both updates are part of the
 same transaction).

       * Isolation:
          Each transactions happens as if it were happening at its own
          moment in time -- tou don't worry about other transactions
          interleaved with your transaction.

         Though how various RDBMs implement this feature gets confusing. One
 has everything from locking the entire database (basically meaning that
 losing transactions don't get applied at all and the code has to
 reexecute the transaction logic) down to those that can lock on
 individual records -- so overlapping transactions that don't need those
 records complete with no failures.

       * Durability:
          Once a transaction actually makes it into the database, it stays
          there and doesn't magically fail a long time later.

         Assuming a disk failure is not magic and one doesn't have a recent
 backup G

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Re: Python 2.5 adoption

2008-04-21 Thread Lou Pecora
In article 
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  Why is this newsgroup different from all other newsgroups?  
 
 Different is a verbally atomic relation.


It's a Passover question.

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yield expression programmized-formal interpretation. (interpretation of yield expression.)

2008-04-21 Thread castironpi
What if I say

   oath= yield

or

   other= yield

?

Does yield evaluate without parenthes?  (Eth.)
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Re: Does Python 2.5.2's embedded SQLite support full text searching?

2008-04-21 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
 Does Python 2.5.2's embedded SQLite support full text searching?

 Any recommendations on a source where one can find out which SQLite
 features are enabled/disabled in each release of Python? I'm trying to
 figure out what's available in 2.5.2 as well as what to expect in 2.6
 and 3.0.

Sqlite itself is not distributed with python. Only a python db api
compliant wrapper is part of the python stdlib and as such it is
completely independent of the sqlite build. In other words, if your
sqlite build supports full text searching you can use it through the
python sqlite wrapper (that is part of the stdlib) and if it doesn't
then not. This is true for any sqlite feature though.

So if you need an sqlite feature just go ahead and build your own
sqlite with that feature enabled and use that feature with the stock
python sqlite wrapper that comes with the stdlib.

HTH,
Daniel
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