Re: [ql-users] old QL
Dilwyn Jones a écrit : > How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after > periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! > > It's marvelous to see that these good old computer still work. I powered up an Apple Lisa in April. This one was powered up for the last time in 1985, and still working like a charm, 23 years later. Anyway, the most suprising is to see Sir Clive's production still working. They was not known as very reliable at their time... I also get a microdrive and a ZX Interface 1 for my Spectrum, and was very suprised to make them work nearly immediatly, and cartridge was still readable (an exploit...). But most of my QL microdrive are dead... Jerome ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] old QL
>>> How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after >>> periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were >>> made! >> >> Not many ... >> >> I have recently had a collection of various Acorn Archimedes >> computers >> passed on to me, and out of 7 computers none are working reliably. >> >> When new the had a value each of somewhere between around £700 to >> £2500. >> >> Time marches on !! >> >The Brother 2024 I bought in 1986 for the QL is still working >perfectly. > >Tony Interesting - printers were always a source of great unreliability for me, the three great exceptions being a Centronics GLP2 dot matrix printer from the 1980s which only got retired (given away in working order) a few years ago, a Canon BJ10sx from the 1990s whcihis still in working order, but it is hard to find ink cartridges for it, and the ever faithful current Epson Stylus Colour 880, which also had a scare with regard to cartridge availability, but "normal service" has been resumed now. One of my first printers was an Epson FX80. It gave good service for years back in the 1980s. The Centronics GLP2 was a good little printer (might be what the GLP stood for, you never know!) but rather slow, especially in NLQ. The FX80 was faster, but no NLQ. The print head on the FX80 died and I realised a new one was going to cost more than a new printer, so for a couple of years it served me as a sort of scanner (a Jurgen Falkenberg unit which clipped onto a print head and relied on the printer's mechanics) until it eventually died a total death. I've had various Star printers, from Gemini10x to my favourites of the Star range, the LC10 and LC24, and all sorts of printers really, some of which were very short lived. But I think the Stylus 880 has to be my favourite - USB and PAR, mono and colour ink cartridges, fast, can be used with QL or PC (most of the time my Aurora and PC remain connected to PAR and USB respectively and as long as the two don't try to print at the same time it's surprisingly happy with the two connected). Given the amount of printing I do (listings mostly) I'm very surprised at any printer that last me more than two years, so I think Centronics, Canon and Epson can be rather proud of their little printers! Sadly, given how few printers there are with control code sets these days, I'll be rather miffed when the Stylus Colour 880 bytes (sic.) the dust. -- Dilwyn Jones -- Dilwyn Jones - -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdsHvM3RzOs8+btoRAoVKAJwKtJS8zpYgfkx3hqyR7OlKamxCJwCggwLt G2BlUFl7vK+n08KH+dmNYzs= =9cTs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 16/06/2007 12:50 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] old QL
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Malcolm Cadman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dilwyn Jones > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after >> periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! > > Not many ... > > I have recently had a collection of various Acorn Archimedes computers > passed on to me, and out of 7 computers none are working reliably. > > When new the had a value each of somewhere between around £700 to £2500. > > Time marches on !! > The Brother 2024 I bought in 1986 for the QL is still working perfectly. Tony - -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdsHvM3RzOs8+btoRAoVKAJwKtJS8zpYgfkx3hqyR7OlKamxCJwCggwLt G2BlUFl7vK+n08KH+dmNYzs= =9cTs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] old QL
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >After a request to copy a microdrive cartridge, I dug my old 1984 QL >out of the attic this morning - it's the only one I have with working >microdrives. As it doesn't get used very often, in fact it's about 2 >years since it was last used and it's languished int he attic since, I >didn't really expect it to work first time, thinking the PSU may have >degraded or keyboard dead or something like that. > >Surprise surprise, it worked first time. Both microdrives work, the >keyboard works, the Power Supply Unit is working. Dilwyn is very >pleased! > >How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after >periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! Not many ... I have recently had a collection of various Acorn Archimedes computers passed on to me, and out of 7 computers none are working reliably. When new the had a value each of somewhere between around £700 to £2500. Time marches on !! -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] old QL
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after >> periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! > >Ok, I give up. How many? > >I found three black box QLs when I moved house. Two have no >microdrives, one has two. I have a box of assorted power supplies and >QL 'Feet' and a TV cable. I intend to see if they work, if so, these >have been lying around unused for at least 10 years, possibly closer to >15 ! > >It will be interesting to see what transpires. > >Of course, I now need a TV to test them ! What is a TV then, Norman ? All QL's are capable of driving a colour monitor ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Config Blocks
On 18 Jun 2007, at 11:35, Ralf Reköndt wrote: > Hmm, how can a program assume the use of MenuConfig? IMHO it just can > assume a program, which takes care of a given config standard. > > And"Config" was first, TT just never wrote an extended version. Strictly speaking my programs assume that a user will configure them using a configurator compatible with config blocks as officially defined. As far as I am concerned I have not seen any other configurator with as widespread use as Menuconfig. So effectively I assume that a user would employ Menuconfig or config. I would be interested tol know if Procon (from Prowess) woould work as well. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] old QL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after > periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! Ok, I give up. How many? I found three black box QLs when I moved house. Two have no microdrives, one has two. I have a box of assorted power supplies and QL 'Feet' and a TV cable. I intend to see if they work, if so, these have been lying around unused for at least 10 years, possibly closer to 15 ! It will be interesting to see what transpires. Of course, I now need a TV to test them ! Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] old QL
After a request to copy a microdrive cartridge, I dug my old 1984 QL out of the attic this morning - it's the only one I have with working microdrives. As it doesn't get used very often, in fact it's about 2 years since it was last used and it's languished int he attic since, I didn't really expect it to work first time, thinking the PSU may have degraded or keyboard dead or something like that. Surprise surprise, it worked first time. Both microdrives work, the keyboard works, the Power Supply Unit is working. Dilwyn is very pleased! How many other modern consumer goods can be expected to work after periods of non-use nearly a quarter of a century after they were made! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Config Blocks
Op Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:56:11 +0200 schreef George Gwilt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Since Menuconfig does this why use other programs > and what are they anyway? > > All my programs which can be configured assume that Menuconfig (or > its younger sister, Config) will do the job. > There is also Procon, part of the ProWesS package. But that too doesn't seem to be bothered with Selection Keystrokes. Bob -- Gemaakt met Opera's revolutionaire e-mailprogramma: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Config Blocks
From: George Gwilt > All my programs which can be configured assume that Menuconfig > (or its younger sister, Config) will do the job. Hmm, how can a program assume the use of MenuConfig? IMHO it just can assume a program, which takes care of a given config standard. And"Config" was first, TT just never wrote an extended version. Cheers...Ralf R. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Config Blocks
On 18 Jun 2007, at 09:47, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: > >> The Selection Keystroke mentioned in various places inside the >> definition of Config Blocks seems to have no effect on Menuconfig. >> >> Has anyone found a use for these Selection Keystrokes and if so what >> is it? > > According to the specifications: > > "The item selection keystroke is an uppercased keystroke which will > select > the item in the main menu. The action of selecting the item will > depend on > the item type. For a code or select item > a pull-down window may be opened to enable the user to select the > appropriate code. For character item, a single keystroke will be > expected. > for all other types of item, the item will be made available for > editing. > For interactive configuration programs, the selection keystroke has no > meaning. > " > In other wors, what the selkey does will depend on the config program. > Menu config doesn't seem to take this into account, really. > > Ah. You confirm my suspicions. There is no point in setting the Selection Keystrokes in a config block unless you know that a program other than Menuconfig will be used for configuring it. The whole point about the official definition of config blocks was that they would (very usefully) allow configuration of all programs containing the blocks by the same configuring program. Since Menuconfig does this why use other programs and what are they anyway? All my programs which can be configured assume that Menuconfig (or its younger sister, Config) will do the job. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Config Blocks
On 17 Jun 2007 at 18:56, George Gwilt wrote: > The Selection Keystroke mentioned in various places inside the > definition of Config Blocks seems to have no effect on Menuconfig. > > Has anyone found a use for these Selection Keystrokes and if so what > is it? According to the specifications: "The item selection keystroke is an uppercased keystroke which will select the item in the main menu. The action of selecting the item will depend on the item type. For a code or select item a pull-down window may be opened to enable the user to select the appropriate code. For character item, a single keystroke will be expected. for all other types of item, the item will be made available for editing. For interactive configuration programs, the selection keystroke has no meaning. " In other wors, what the selkey does will depend on the config program. Menu config doesn't seem to take this into account, really. -- W. H. Lenerz www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com -- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
