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Norman, It's wonderful that you offer that. I'm in Texas, USA and I'm told by RWAP that shipping a QL from England is over 50 ukp. I couldn't ask you to do that. Let me check out local options first... Dave On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.ukwrote: Evening Dave, I've dug out a QL for you, with no microdrives, but it has a network lead, a TV lead and three original feet. You can have it free. If it's ok with you, I'd rather not send the power supply. :-( I've plugged it in to a LCD TV and it works fine, the picture is a bit out of focus (to my eye) and adjusting the fine tuning around channel 36 makes no difference. I suspect the UHF modulator needs a bit of time to warm up perhaps. Drop me a private email to let me know where you want it sending please: Norman (at) dunbar (hyphen) it (dot) co (dot) uk. I've got two more, one with a really bad picture and one that appears to be dead. :-( I'll worry about them some other time. Just discovered, two microdrives are present after all! Thought it was heavier than the others! I have tested all the keys on the keyboard - thay all work fine with and without shift, ctrl and alt. Looks like it's a runner. However, I have to say that it's s-l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w! Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message AANLkTim+73oU9gJnGPq4yy6wtj6xP=yzu7j4ugagz...@mail.gmail.com, Plastic plasticu...@gmail.com writes Hi Dave, Your phase QLing on a tumble dryer would make a great book title ... :-) I have a US QL, therefore I have a US QL PSU ;) Though I am capable of building a replacement PSU if needed, or converting a UK to US PSU. Also, US houses have 110v and 220v circuits, so 220v is available if I get really stuck (and don't mind QLing on the tumble dryer). The 50/60Hz issue is a non-issue. I would just replace the smoothing capacitor with a slightly larger one. As for the display modes...I would definitely prefer to use a UK/EU spec QL. I'm only aware of two US QL users and they're both ex-pats anyway, I think ;) Dave PS: and I am looking for the PSU, and not finding it. Fate, it mocks me. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: On 07/02/2011 17:21, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: -- From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the -- difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the -- graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. The QL Technical Manual says: This is different for countries where the television system is NTSC, which permits the use of fewer raster lines than PAL. In QLs for such countries, the following options are the defaults: For monitor operations, a 50Hz 624 non-interlaced system is used; this is the same system as is used on the English QL. The full 512x256 pixel display is available, and the default windows and character size are the same as for the monitor mode on an English QL. For TV operation, a 60Hz 524-line non-interlaced system is used in which the number of raster lines is limited to 192. In order to ease the task of software conversion, an alternate display font is provided which allows a 6x8 character square instead of the usual 6x10. This ensures approximately the same number of visible rows of text on both PAL and NTSC QLs, at the cost of true descenders and reduced vertical spacing. The default windows and graphics scaling for TV operation are different from those of the English QL. so it looks like only the TV modes would be different from European boxes. Cheers, Tobias Yes, the Mess emulator suggests that this is the case. The vertical timing and font is dependent on the F1/2 selection on bootup. Once in 624 50Hz mode you should be OK both in mode 4 and 8. Cheers Malcolm http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Dave, Are you sure it has a vertical resolution of 256? Maybe the video ULA has been replaced with a UK one. Malcolm On 07/02/2011 15:14, Plastic wrote: Hi all, I have a US (samsung?) QL with JSA ROMs. I have a replacement membrane coming in a week or so. 1. It has the standard 512x256 resolution, but the font type/size is different than EU QLs. I am looking for some JM or JS ROMs, but meanwhile, does anyone have an easy way for me to load the UK charset and scaling onto it? Or a dead QL with JM or JS ROMs they're willing to part with? 2. I'd like to plug it into a monitor. Being in the US, this is less simple. Any suggestions? I am considering the RGB-VGA converter board, which is ideal but pricey. 3. I have an assortment of expansions which I will photograph. I do not have manuals for any of this stuff, so when I post the photos, any info would be appreciated. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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No, I'm not sure. I assumed. How can I tell, just looking at the ICs? Dave On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: Hi Dave, Are you sure it has a vertical resolution of 256? Maybe the video ULA has been replaced with a UK one. Malcolm On 07/02/2011 15:14, Plastic wrote: Hi all, I have a US (samsung?) QL with JSA ROMs. I have a replacement membrane coming in a week or so. 1. It has the standard 512x256 resolution, but the font type/size is different than EU QLs. I am looking for some JM or JS ROMs, but meanwhile, does anyone have an easy way for me to load the UK charset and scaling onto it? Or a dead QL with JM or JS ROMs they're willing to part with? 2. I'd like to plug it into a monitor. Being in the US, this is less simple. Any suggestions? I am considering the RGB-VGA converter board, which is ideal but pricey. 3. I have an assortment of expansions which I will photograph. I do not have manuals for any of this stuff, so when I post the photos, any info would be appreciated. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. It would take me quite some time to get the details again out of the two programs! Rich On 07/02/2011 15:51, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi Dave, Are you sure it has a vertical resolution of 256? Maybe the video ULA has been replaced with a UK one. Malcolm On 07/02/2011 15:14, Plastic wrote: Hi all, I have a US (samsung?) QL with JSA ROMs. I have a replacement membrane coming in a week or so. 1. It has the standard 512x256 resolution, but the font type/size is different than EU QLs. I am looking for some JM or JS ROMs, but meanwhile, does anyone have an easy way for me to load the UK charset and scaling onto it? Or a dead QL with JM or JS ROMs they're willing to part with? 2. I'd like to plug it into a monitor. Being in the US, this is less simple. Any suggestions? I am considering the RGB-VGA converter board, which is ideal but pricey. 3. I have an assortment of expansions which I will photograph. I do not have manuals for any of this stuff, so when I post the photos, any info would be appreciated. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Luckily I have the JS+TK2 Q-Emulator 1.0 for Mac to test on - it behaves just like a real QL. All I need is a mdv_ to USB adaptor and I'm all set! Dave On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk wrote: From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. It would take me quite some time to get the details again out of the two programs! Rich On 07/02/2011 15:51, Malcolm Lear wrote: Hi Dave, Are you sure it has a vertical resolution of 256? Maybe the video ULA has been replaced with a UK one. Malcolm On 07/02/2011 15:14, Plastic wrote: Hi all, I have a US (samsung?) QL with JSA ROMs. I have a replacement membrane coming in a week or so. 1. It has the standard 512x256 resolution, but the font type/size is different than EU QLs. I am looking for some JM or JS ROMs, but meanwhile, does anyone have an easy way for me to load the UK charset and scaling onto it? Or a dead QL with JM or JS ROMs they're willing to part with? 2. I'd like to plug it into a monitor. Being in the US, this is less simple. Any suggestions? I am considering the RGB-VGA converter board, which is ideal but pricey. 3. I have an assortment of expansions which I will photograph. I do not have manuals for any of this stuff, so when I post the photos, any info would be appreciated. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk http://www.rwapservices.co.uk -- Try out our new site: http://sellmyretro.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 07/02/2011 15:57, Rich Mellor wrote: From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. Ah, that sounds about right. The sort of bodge that only Sinclair would do! I seem to remember they altered the ULA timing for the US 525 system which meant that only around 200 lines were visible, hence the vertically reduced characters. The proper solution would have required an interlaced scan, but that may not have fitted into the ULU space and taken up too much design time. Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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It seems I will have to start saving for a UK spec QL, pronto. Having a real QL to work on is important to me. Dave On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: On 07/02/2011 15:57, Rich Mellor wrote: From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. Ah, that sounds about right. The sort of bodge that only Sinclair would do! I seem to remember they altered the ULA timing for the US 525 system which meant that only around 200 lines were visible, hence the vertically reduced characters. The proper solution would have required an interlaced scan, but that may not have fitted into the ULU space and taken up too much design time. Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dave, On 07/02/11 16:56, Plastic wrote: It seems I will have to start saving for a UK spec QL, pronto. Having a real QL to work on is important to me. I might have a spare. No idea what it is like though - I might get a chance to test it tonight. It's been sitting around for a good few years now. I'm not sure if it has microdrives though - I tended to remove them for some unknown reason when I had my Gold card. Would you need the power supply as well? Of so, it will be a b*gg*r to post to wherever you are. Very heavy! I have a feeling the keyboard may be shot though - membrane most likely. However, I'll check and see what's what. Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-- From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the -- difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the -- graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. The QL Technical Manual says: This is different for countries where the television system is NTSC, which permits the use of fewer raster lines than PAL. In QLs for such countries, the following options are the defaults: For monitor operations, a 50Hz 624 non-interlaced system is used; this is the same system as is used on the English QL. The full 512x256 pixel display is available, and the default windows and character size are the same as for the monitor mode on an English QL. For TV operation, a 60Hz 524-line non-interlaced system is used in which the number of raster lines is limited to 192. In order to ease the task of software conversion, an alternate display font is provided which allows a 6x8 character square instead of the usual 6x10. This ensures approximately the same number of visible rows of text on both PAL and NTSC QLs, at the cost of true descenders and reduced vertical spacing. The default windows and graphics scaling for TV operation are different from those of the English QL. so it looks like only the TV modes would be different from European boxes. Cheers, Tobias ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dave said - It seems I will have to start saving for a UK spec QL, pronto. Having a real QL to work on is important to me. Before Norman pulls muscle in his attic AND/OR goin' down the Post Office... what about a possible PSU 50/60Hz mains supply problem - especially if Dave is in The States? John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 07/02/2011 17:21, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: -- From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the -- difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the -- graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. The QL Technical Manual says: This is different for countries where the television system is NTSC, which permits the use of fewer raster lines than PAL. In QLs for such countries, the following options are the defaults: For monitor operations, a 50Hz 624 non-interlaced system is used; this is the same system as is used on the English QL. The full 512x256 pixel display is available, and the default windows and character size are the same as for the monitor mode on an English QL. For TV operation, a 60Hz 524-line non-interlaced system is used in which the number of raster lines is limited to 192. In order to ease the task of software conversion, an alternate display font is provided which allows a 6x8 character square instead of the usual 6x10. This ensures approximately the same number of visible rows of text on both PAL and NTSC QLs, at the cost of true descenders and reduced vertical spacing. The default windows and graphics scaling for TV operation are different from those of the English QL. so it looks like only the TV modes would be different from European boxes. Cheers, Tobias Yes, the Mess emulator suggests that this is the case. The vertical timing and font is dependent on the F1/2 selection on bootup. Once in 624 50Hz mode you should be OK both in mode 4 and 8. Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I have a US QL, therefore I have a US QL PSU ;) Though I am capable of building a replacement PSU if needed, or converting a UK to US PSU. Also, US houses have 110v and 220v circuits, so 220v is available if I get really stuck (and don't mind QLing on the tumble dryer). The 50/60Hz issue is a non-issue. I would just replace the smoothing capacitor with a slightly larger one. As for the display modes...I would definitely prefer to use a UK/EU spec QL. I'm only aware of two US QL users and they're both ex-pats anyway, I think ;) Dave PS: and I am looking for the PSU, and not finding it. Fate, it mocks me. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote: On 07/02/2011 17:21, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: -- From memory (as both D-Day MKII and War in the East took account of the -- difference in these ROMs), the JSU still manages 512x256 pixels, but the -- graphics characters (founts) are smaller than on the European QL. The QL Technical Manual says: This is different for countries where the television system is NTSC, which permits the use of fewer raster lines than PAL. In QLs for such countries, the following options are the defaults: For monitor operations, a 50Hz 624 non-interlaced system is used; this is the same system as is used on the English QL. The full 512x256 pixel display is available, and the default windows and character size are the same as for the monitor mode on an English QL. For TV operation, a 60Hz 524-line non-interlaced system is used in which the number of raster lines is limited to 192. In order to ease the task of software conversion, an alternate display font is provided which allows a 6x8 character square instead of the usual 6x10. This ensures approximately the same number of visible rows of text on both PAL and NTSC QLs, at the cost of true descenders and reduced vertical spacing. The default windows and graphics scaling for TV operation are different from those of the English QL. so it looks like only the TV modes would be different from European boxes. Cheers, Tobias Yes, the Mess emulator suggests that this is the case. The vertical timing and font is dependent on the F1/2 selection on bootup. Once in 624 50Hz mode you should be OK both in mode 4 and 8. Cheers Malcolm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 2/7/2011 10:08 AM, Plastic wrote: I'm only aware of two US QL users and they're both ex-pats anyway, I think Actually, most of the US QLer's that I knew (been out of contact with mostf them for a while) were native born. I'm sure there are a few of the old QL'ers still around (like Herb Schaaf, Bill Cable, Paul Holmgren, etc). As for the US/UK scale issue, test the JSU and JS roms on the emulator and see if there is a difference. If there is, you now have access to the two different systems and can code for both. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I know they redesigned the port area for the serial ports and joystick ports, but I wonder if this is a hardware difference, or a software difference, since the hardware can obviously handle both formats... I wonder if there are any other differences between the boards... I'll take this one out and post some high resolution pics of it so people can compare. Dave On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Timothy Swenson swenso...@sbcglobal.netwrote: On 2/7/2011 10:08 AM, Plastic wrote: I'm only aware of two US QL users and they're both ex-pats anyway, I think Actually, most of the US QLer's that I knew (been out of contact with mostf them for a while) were native born. I'm sure there are a few of the old QL'ers still around (like Herb Schaaf, Bill Cable, Paul Holmgren, etc). As for the US/UK scale issue, test the JSU and JS roms on the emulator and see if there is a difference. If there is, you now have access to the two different systems and can code for both. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening Dave, I've dug out a QL for you, with no microdrives, but it has a network lead, a TV lead and three original feet. You can have it free. If it's ok with you, I'd rather not send the power supply. :-( I've plugged it in to a LCD TV and it works fine, the picture is a bit out of focus (to my eye) and adjusting the fine tuning around channel 36 makes no difference. I suspect the UHF modulator needs a bit of time to warm up perhaps. Drop me a private email to let me know where you want it sending please: Norman (at) dunbar (hyphen) it (dot) co (dot) uk. I've got two more, one with a really bad picture and one that appears to be dead. :-( I'll worry about them some other time. Just discovered, two microdrives are present after all! Thought it was heavier than the others! I have tested all the keys on the keyboard - thay all work fine with and without shift, ctrl and alt. Looks like it's a runner. However, I have to say that it's s-l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-w! Cheers, Norman. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
