Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Malcolm Cadman wrote: >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> >Nothing personnel Malcolm >> >> No problem ... no offensive taken at all. >> >> A good discussion, unfortuneatly too OT for the QL list to pursue for >> long :-) >> >> -- >> Malcolm Cadman > >What a gentle list this is, I apologise for the OT subject, no excuse >but we had a rough sort of week. >Last year on another list (Brit motorcycles, mostly american input) I >got a little too fired up when some of the good old boys started asking >for support for their "buy a bullet day", this soon after the mass >killings at one of their high schools. >The idea was that if lots of people bought bullets on a particular day >they could persuade congress that the trade was massive and influence >decisions to be made. >I think it was the question I put to them "should the parents of the >murdered school kids buy the first bullets " that got them really riled. >I got a friendly and understanding rebuke from the list leader and a >rather sinister flame from maddog@ someplace or another. >Been looking over my shoulder for black stretch limos since then. He .. he .. perhaps you were, may I suggest, just a mite too direct ? :-) Wasn't it one of the 'Carry on' teams remarks - 'they don't like it up 'em' ? -- Malcolm Cadman
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Tony Firshman wrote: >> >> BTW my uncle had a farm in Rhydlewis, nr Llandysul, and I spent many >> happy hours as a youngster on his tractor. He was a rocket engineer most >> of the time in Aberporth. An interesting man (8-)# >> >Wicked >Can't help wondering Tony, did he have any sheds (left) (;-) Umm ... not after 'rocket man' :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
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Tony Firshman wrote: > > BTW my uncle had a farm in Rhydlewis, nr Llandysul, and I spent many > happy hours as a youngster on his tractor. He was a rocket engineer most > of the time in Aberporth. An interesting man (8-)# > Wicked Can't help wondering Tony, did he have any sheds (left) (;-) All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
Malcolm Cadman wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Nothing personnel Malcolm > > No problem ... no offensive taken at all. > > A good discussion, unfortuneatly too OT for the QL list to pursue for > long :-) > > -- > Malcolm Cadman What a gentle list this is, I apologise for the OT subject, no excuse but we had a rough sort of week. Last year on another list (Brit motorcycles, mostly american input) I got a little too fired up when some of the good old boys started asking for support for their "buy a bullet day", this soon after the mass killings at one of their high schools. The idea was that if lots of people bought bullets on a particular day they could persuade congress that the trade was massive and influence decisions to be made. I think it was the question I put to them "should the parents of the murdered school kids buy the first bullets " that got them really riled. I got a friendly and understanding rebuke from the list leader and a rather sinister flame from maddog@ someplace or another. Been looking over my shoulder for black stretch limos since then. All the best - Bill (simmering down)
RE: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
I am the leader of a little laboratory testing food and water, and many of the things we do, can be made much more efficient with the aid of a computer. The official programs that we have to use, solve only the basic needs we have, and I have great joy (and use) of making programs solve the other things, and make my programs communicate with the official programs (PC- programs). The joy is the same doing it with a QL or a PC. As the programs that I try to communicate with, are PC-Programs, it is easier to use PC-programs. My tool is Visual Basic.. For instance, all instruments we have with some kind of I/O, are comunicating with our lab programs. Visiting colleagues ( in Norway), exposes that (almost) all of them are doing many things the old way... Arvid -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Pa vegne av Timothy Swenson Sendt: 8. mars 2001 21:07 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: SV: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL On Mar 8, 7:40pm, Malcolm Cadman wrote: > I agree that programming on the QL is in fatc quite a joy - once you > have made the effort to learn how to do it. Programming on the PC (either in Windows or Linux) is easier from the aspect that there is more documentation, more tools, and more people. I like programming on the QL cause if I want to tackle a particular programming subject, odds are, I'd be the first to do it, thereby making my program valuable to the QL community. In the PC world, odds are you are not the first to do it, thereby making your program just another sheep in the herd. Plus, I've been using QDOS for 15 years. 15 years of getting to know a single OS with minor revisions (from a SuperBasic programmer view point). In the PC world, 15 years covers a lot of OS revisions with major differences (MS-DOS to Windows being the biggest). From language of choice (Pascal in 1986 to C, to C++, to Java, to ) to programming tools (many different in the PC world). The QL has been something I've known and I've seen no need to change. Since I program for fun, the QL is much funner than a PC. Unix is more fun than a PC, but no even close to the QL. Tim Swenson
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>> At least your downloaded SMSQ/E stuff is extremely unlikely to suffer >> virus infection! (there...back on topic!) > >Mr. Jones, may I remind you that on 25th April 1998 in Selston Parish Hall >in the County of Nottinghamshire you did wilfully and with malice >aforethought infect my QXL with a virus! Oo-oops, forgot about that (it was actually a QL-specific virus, very badly written, didn't work properly on QXL, left poor Mr Wicks unable to use his QXL for a while). And I;m sure he won't let me forget it. >PS QUANTA will be hearing from my solicitors about your disreputable remarks >on page 22 of the QUANTA magazine. He he, just shows what a multi-talented gent you are. Perhaps the Irish cows would like to sue me as well. Just my efforts at losing as many friends in one page as possible ;-)) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At least your downloaded SMSQ/E stuff is extremely unlikely to suffer > virus infection! (there...back on topic!) Mr. Jones, may I remind you that on 25th April 1998 in Selston Parish Hall in the County of Nottinghamshire you did wilfully and with malice aforethought infect my QXL with a virus! Geoff Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS QUANTA will be hearing from my solicitors about your disreputable remarks on page 22 of the QUANTA magazine.
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Malcolm Cadman wrote: >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Darren Branagh >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >Hi All, >> > >> >By Now, you all will have noticed my absence at the Hove Show - >> >unfortunately this couldn't be helped for two reasons.. >> > >> >Firstly, I was seriously snowed in!! About 10-12 inches of snow in places, >> >and 2-3 foot drifts at my main gate. I'm been snowbound since last Tuesday, >> >and only got the car out yesterday morning. I was without electricty and >> >phone lines too. > >Hope this doesn't sound like "my drifts are bigger than yours" but we >still have drifts of three feet they originally were six feet and over. >Power was off four four days >> >> He .. he .. advantages of living in the country :-) >> >> I trust that you had a drop of good stuff to keep you warm ... >> >> >Secondly, the foot and mouth crisis - its been generally frowned upon for >> >anybody to make any non-essential travel to the UK from Ireland by the >> >government. >> >> Yes, it seems hard to track down where the source(s) lay. >No - MAFF are pretty sure it started at my namesakes pig far ( no >relation BTW), then it seems to have been spread by one dealer/hauleir. >> >> Hopefully, we will learn a lesson from this, and have better practices >> is place for the future. >> -- > >Sorry Malcolm, but whatever do you mean. F&M is a virus that is >prevalent in some parts of the world where animal welfare is NOT viewed >with the same degree of concern as it is here by public and farmers. >If this outbreak has been caused by the feeding of swill containing >infected meat then someone illegally brought/imported that infected meat >into this country, can you suggest what better practise could guarantee >to prevent this. >Have we had much success in preventing the import of illegal drugs? and >preventing the crime and misery that goes with that scene. >It does seem these days that whatever crisis arrives everyone wants to >blame the government ( of the day), everyone has an answer based on the >dubious facts spouted out by our media. Hi Bill, I obviously touched on an area of your expertise. Whatever we do we still have to deal with nature. The English media are very poor in dealing with an informed understanding about anything outside of London and the South East. I was brought up in a small Yorkshire village that had 5 farms. I cannot recall a reaction to F&M as wide reaching as this one. >Nothing personnel Malcolm No problem ... no offensive taken at all. A good discussion, unfortuneatly too OT for the QL list to pursue for long :-) -- Malcolm Cadman
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>I'm more concerned about vaccinated animals becoming carriers. >But enough of this non Ql subject, I've got a stack of interesting SMSQE >stuff that I've downloaded but haven't had time to use yet - soon >though > >All the best - Bill At least your downloaded SMSQ/E stuff is extremely unlikely to suffer virus infection! (there...back on topic!) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
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>By the way, the joy programming a PC is exactly the same as programming a >Ql. Hmmm, you're obviously not using QBasic on the PC then! >I have been thinking of uppgrading to QPC2... > >Arvid Borretzen Go for QPC2, I've been using it for a while. If you want to use SMSQ/E, you won't go far wrong with QPC2 if you're a PC user. -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: > > On 6 Mar 2001, at 21:31, Bill Waugh wrote: > > > > > Hope this doesn't sound like "my drifts are bigger than yours" > No, but let's keep it at that (you get my drift?) > > > 4. Why don't they vaccinate > > fact - it is a LIVE vaccine > > fact - some animals vaccinated would become carriers > > fact - susceptible wild animals that weren't vaccinated would become > > infected > > fact - the vaccine covers one strain only just like a flu vaccine. > > And, when testing, you no longer can distiguish between animals > that caught the disease, and those that have been vaccinated. > > Wolfgang I'm more concerned about vaccinated animals becoming carriers. But enough of this non Ql subject, I've got a stack of interesting SMSQE stuff that I've downloaded but haven't had time to use yet - soon though All the best - Bill
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On 7 Mar 2001, at 9:56, Tony Firshman wrote: > Ah yes - that is exactly what I was trying to say in my last msg. > You said it more clearly (8-)# > No, yours was just as clear, I just hadn't read it when I replied... Wolfgang Ps: How does this topic relate to the QL? easy, we Qllers don't put our foot in our mouth so often (groan)
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Hi, here is my rant on the subject. > Sorry Malcolm, but whatever do you mean. F&M is a virus that is > prevalent in some parts of the world where animal welfare is NOT viewed > with the same degree of concern as it is here by public and farmers. sincererly, I was really impressed by the swift and vigorous actions in this matter. I am now convinced that EU and most European governments will not hesitate a second to install martial law when the interests of their agriculture are at stake whereas they will utterly and fully ignore any real threat like that of BSE. So you know what I think about the British idea of animal welfare.. It isn't 'money rulez', but something worse - insanity rules would an euphemism. Bye Richard
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 at 10:22:39, Wolfgang Lenerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (Ref: <3AA60BEF.9244.5192BE@localhost>) >On 6 Mar 2001, at 21:31, Bill Waugh wrote: > >> >> Hope this doesn't sound like "my drifts are bigger than yours" > No, but let's keep it at that (you get my drift?) > > >> 4. Why don't they vaccinate >> fact - it is a LIVE vaccine >> fact - some animals vaccinated would become carriers >> fact - susceptible wild animals that weren't vaccinated would become >> infected >> fact - the vaccine covers one strain only just like a flu vaccine. > > >And, when testing, you no longer can distiguish between animals >that caught the disease, and those that have been vaccinated. Ah yes - that is exactly what I was trying to say in my last msg. You said it more clearly (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Nut cutlets - NO QL
On 6 Mar 2001, at 21:31, Bill Waugh wrote: > > Hope this doesn't sound like "my drifts are bigger than yours" No, but let's keep it at that (you get my drift?) > 4. Why don't they vaccinate > fact - it is a LIVE vaccine > fact - some animals vaccinated would become carriers > fact - susceptible wild animals that weren't vaccinated would become > infected > fact - the vaccine covers one strain only just like a flu vaccine. And, when testing, you no longer can distiguish between animals that caught the disease, and those that have been vaccinated. Wolfgang
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Tony Firshman makes some magical things to make me read } > } >4. Why don't they vaccinate } >fact - it is a LIVE vaccine } >fact - some animals vaccinated would become carriers } >fact - susceptible wild animals that weren't vaccinated would become } >infected } >fact - the vaccine covers one strain only just like a flu vaccine. } } and BBC (again) said that vaccinated animals are difficult to } differentiate from ill animals when meat is tested. Something to do } with antibodies? And to ear the french media (so everybody can enjoy different views...), here (I'm mailing from France), the decision to stop vaccinate was mainly pushed by economists which 'demonstrates' that the cost of vaccine was not worth and that there was no real risk to stop vaccinate and that it was in fact needed for the farmer so that they can export to some other countries (i.e. usa). Sound to me they are trying to use the french preconception against Eurocrats... (a new unregulated specie of Technocrats, the traditionnal faulty guys in France [well, they usually deserve it too...]).
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 at 21:31:05, Bill Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (Ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >2. There are too few abattoirs >fact - the 1967 outbreak resulted in over 2000 cases and we had lots >more abattoirs then but all the outbreaks in 1967 were in a confined area. >From the map the BBC showed, they were all in an area that looked like NW Wales? They (the BBC) said that the current outbreak is more widespread due to fewer abattoirs. It looks like there are no new cases now not linked to movements prior to the clamp-down. That is _very_ good news isn't it? Looks like there will be far fewer cases than 1967. Keeping my fingers crossed. My work with the local canal restoration society has stopped, as their main site is next to a farm. Bill Cable's visit to me next week will involve a canal trip only. We can't walk _anywhere_ around here, and Whipsnade is shut. >fact - it has been easier to track the movement of animals due to fewer >abattoirs and the animal passport system now used > >4. Why don't they vaccinate >fact - it is a LIVE vaccine >fact - some animals vaccinated would become carriers >fact - susceptible wild animals that weren't vaccinated would become >infected >fact - the vaccine covers one strain only just like a flu vaccine. ... and BBC (again) said that vaccinated animals are difficult to differentiate from ill animals when meat is tested. Something to do with antibodies? BTW my uncle had a farm in Rhydlewis, nr Llandysul, and I spent many happy hours as a youngster on his tractor. He was a rocket engineer most of the time in Aberporth. An interesting man (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
