Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Hi Bojan, Why not just buy a used AT case? I sold one of mine for cca. £8... Why not. But even a new AT cases are often quite cheap. I recently saw one for about UKP 20 including power supply. Another question, AFAIK AT and ATX power supplies have different connectors for the mainboard. Where exactly does Q40 get power from? Some of the I/O connectors? A harddisk power connector. Smaller and cheaper than the usual mainboard connectors. For a Q40 or Q60 the current is much smaller than for a PC mainboard, so why bother with the PC mainboard connector. The other advantage is that harddisk power connectors are the same for AT and ATX. All the best Peter
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? Wolfgang
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: } } I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? } Me too ? What's the max memory size ? Could I use some 64 MB EDO ship on it ? Or is it still restricted to the smaller model ? What's the difference with Q40 ?
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:58:33AM +0200, Jerome Grimbert wrote: Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: } } I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? } Me too ? What's the max memory size ? Could I use some 64 MB EDO ship on it ? Or is it still restricted to the smaller model ? 128 MB RAM is the maximum, SMSQ does not yet support that much. What's the difference with Q40 ? Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. Bye Richard
RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
I think Bogomils disapeared in 14th century ? -Message d'origine- De : Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 14 mai 2001 14:10 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Richard Zidlicky wrote: 128 MB RAM is the maximum, SMSQ does not yet support that much. Hmm, with QPC you can use up to 256MB. Marcel
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Richard Zidlicky makes some magical things to make me read } On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:58:33AM +0200, Jerome Grimbert wrote: } Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read } } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: } } } } I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter } } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? } } } } Me too ? } } What's the max memory size ? Could I use some 64 MB EDO ship on it ? } Or is it still restricted to the smaller model ? } } 128 MB RAM is the maximum, SMSQ does not yet support that much. Good ! For info, on QPC2, SMSQ/E can handle a lot of memory, if the PC has it! And some free-memory buttons get confused with so much, but not sysmon, which just keep working fine ! } } What's the difference with Q40 ? } } Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. With or without cache ? (w/ : which mode ?) Have you tried dhrystone on it ? (which compilation ?) My main interest on the Q40/Q60 is the speed of the boot, vs the slowness of the PC (The Bios boot is far too long for me, so even adding the shortest linux boot, I find the PC computer to be too slow... at least at boot time; even with a x-GHz thing ) When I boot the Q40, it's just: press the button, take a seat and it's ready to read the latest floppy from QLToday.
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Wolfgang wrote: I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? Jerome wrote: } I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? Me too ? Sorry, it was not my intention to disappoint anybody. I wish I could supply all with a Q60. Thierry's was waiting *very* long, and he needed the Q60 as a motivation for software development. Unfortunately this has not been the begin of the Q60 series production. The components for Thierry's Q60 have been purchased for his single board only, so it was quite an expensive machine for him. I have purchased, soldered, assembled and tested everything on my own, and I will probably not be able to do the whole series production this way. I hope for more patience. It would really be expensive and slow to produce all Q60 one by one in the few hours of spare time I have. If someone desperately wants a Q60 before the series production starts, he can try to ask me personally like Thierry, but there are limits to what I can do. All the best Peter
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Jerome wrote: } Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. With or without cache ? (w/ : which mode ?) Copyback on. Richard's Q60 is a 66 MHz one. The 80 MHz version shows 160 BogoMIPS. Have you tried dhrystone on it ? (which compilation ?) Q60/80: 101000 Dhrystones/s, QDOS-GCC My main interest on the Q40/Q60 is the speed of the boot, vs the slowness of the PC (The Bios boot is far too long for me, so even adding the shortest linux boot, I find the PC computer to be too slow... at least at boot time; even with a x-GHz thing ) Probably Q40/Q60 could boot SMSQ/E even faster, a lot time is wasted in delay loops. (It was faster in some early versions.) When I boot the Q40, it's just: press the button, take a seat and it's ready to read the latest floppy from QLToday. Now that's QL style :-) Peter
RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Ah ! There is a show in Paris in october ?!! -Message d'origine- De : Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 13 mai 2001 01:08 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case I could bring to the Paris show on October 13th, but that is far too long in the future I am sure...
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Hi Peter, Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom I am very pleased with my one, it is very stable. I did use it on the BBS, but the SMSQ/E had problems with some of the Pbox mailing software, which I am looking into. This maybe just a re-compile on Q40, as this maybe just the old libraries on the non-68040 machines. Hopefully since Phil released the sources, I might try and delvelop the system more, things that inhibit this are going to be lack of programming ability, pubs being open 24 hours... Derek
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Hi Derek, Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom Tony Tebby is the only one who has the means to change SMSQ/E, and there is more important other work, so there are no plans for power saving functions yet. On the hardware side, the Q40/Q60 has the LED output which could be used to drive the PS_ON signal. The nonvolatile RAM could be used to save status information. Maybe you are thinking about a sleeping system that wakes up on a hardware interrupt from modem, so you might prefer the 68060 CPU which supports lower power stop commands. On the other hand, a Q40 or Q60 boots so fast that it might be enough to switch on the power supply and just let SMSQ/E boot. BTW the Q60 is a low-power machine anyway. The mainboard itself only consumes a few watts. (The Q40 is also consumes only a small fraction of a PC mainboard.) I am very pleased with my one, it is very stable. Good. All the best Peter
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
Thierry wrote: I'm back from a long trip at sea... Expect an (over due) update to my Web site next week. Thank you very much for your Website work! The Q40 is *not* simply an AT mainboard. It directly fits into both AT and ATX cases. This also applies to the mounting holes. At design time I had already used both the AT and ATX specifications. I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter and mounted it into an ATX case: no problem at all, no drilling, no fiddling, EASY! It is easy, but for a Q40 (or Q60 ;-)) an ATX case really is a waste of space, unless you use a Micro ATX case. (Those are expensive.) My ATX case came with interchangeable plates (4) at the rear, one of which was an AT compatible one: the hole for the AT kbd connector was there. Thanks for the tip. So if someone wants ATX, the best advice would be to look for a case that already comes with a variety of plates. AT cases are still available and usually cheaper and smaller than ATX cases, so I don't see much reason for using ATX cases for the Q40. Well, not in France I'm afraid: it's difficult like HELL to get an AT case (you may still find some in Paris, but very few models are available) ! Have you looked for mailorder suppliers? Here in Germany I know several who sell AT cases. All the best Peter
Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case
On Sat, 12 May 2001 at 22:55:59, you wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) AT cases are still available and usually cheaper and smaller than ATX cases, so I don't see much reason for using ATX cases for the Q40. Well, not in France I'm afraid: it's difficult like HELL to get an AT case (you may still find some in Paris, but very few models are available) ! Have you looked for mailorder suppliers? Here in Germany I know several who sell AT cases. CPC in the UK still do. I bought one recently for about £20. They are mail order, but too expensive to France I guess. I could bring to the Paris show on October 13th, but that is far too long in the future I am sure... -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
