Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[P Witte]

Roy wood writes:

> Sorry to continue an OT discussion here but you are wrong. You can go to
> the Microsoft site and download the SP4. The pack you need to download
> is the one for network users. This is because people with multiple
> machine do not want to connect them individually to do the updates.

You are exactly right. Another reason I like to have the whole thing on a CD
is that I regularly have to re-install Windoze from scratch to keep it
ticking over nicely. This is a pain, but well worth it. Qdos/Smsq never
needs to be "installed", thats one of the beauties of that system.

BTW Has anyone tried HyperOs? Theyve run a 16 page ad in Computer Shopper
every month for the past 6(?) months.

I ask for two reasons, one is that it appears to promise that I wont have to
keep doing these re-installations as you can simply clone a pristine
installation, use it until it screws itself silly in the normal Windoze
fashion, and then just clone a new, pristine one in a couple of seconds.

The other reason is that the ad campaign reminds me suspiciously of ol'
Freddy Vaccha's approach to advertising. Does anyone know whether he has a
hand in it? Its either Freddy or a very close relative. Id be prepared to
bet a penny on it!

Per

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[P Witte]

To my
 
 >I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
<>

Thanks to all who responded. I am now sorted!

Per

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[Phoebus R. Dokos]

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:25:28 +0100, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

On  Sat, 16 Aug 2003 at 14:23:06, P Witte wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any 
of
you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending 
it
to me for a fiver or so?

SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other 
option.
The updates don't work that way.
They require the machine connected, and they work out what updates are
needed.  This then happens automagically without an explicit file being
downloaded.
You have no option, I think, but to connect your machine to broadband.
If you are passing Tring I would be happy to provide a link.
I did just that the other day for someone.
Even with broadband it is likely to take a few hours.  Not only is the
connection to M$ pretty slow (The latest worm scare?)  but the files
take forever to install once downloaded.
It will be a two or three stab - Certainly SP1 will be separate, and I
think, with W2000, there is a second exclusive install (8-(#
Per

PS Contact me privately first - I only need one. And please dont email 
this
file to me or dump it on the list! ;)



Actually no Tony.
You can select the "administrator" options and download all the updates 
separately without using Windows Update.
As for speeds, it takes about 15 minutes to download the latest service 
pack on a US broadband connection, so if Per wants it I will do it for him.

Phoebus

--
Visit the QL-FAQ at:  (Still uploading 
stuff!)
Visit the uQLX-win32 homepage at: 
Visit the uQLX-mac home page at:

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[Tony Firshman]

On  Sat, 16 Aug 2003 at 20:06:26, Roy wood wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

>
>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>>I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
>>>However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any of
>>>you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending it
>>>to me for a fiver or so?
>>>
>>>SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other option.
>>The updates don't work that way.
>>They require the machine connected, and they work out what updates are
>>needed.  This then happens automagically without an explicit file being
>>downloaded.
>Sorry to continue an OT discussion here but you are wrong. You can go
>to the Microsoft site and download the SP4. The pack you need to
>download is the one for network users. This is because people with
>multiple machine do not want to connect them individually to do the
>updates.
Ah that is good - did not know that.
I assume this is a complete pack though with all previous updates.

-- 
 QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255
 tony@.co.uk  http://www.firshman.co.uk
   Voice: +44(0)1442-828254   Fax: +44(0)1442-828255
TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG

RE: [ql-users] QL2004

[Duncan Neithercut]

Absolutely correct autorun.inf is windows only

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Dilwyn Jones
Sent: 16 August 2003 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004



The autorun.inf  only works on Windows systems though, surely?

I don't mind adding an autorun.info which would boot iit into a DOS or
Windows text viewer to show the readme.txt, that should be simple
enough, I could even use the free Word viewer to boot the readme.doc
file.

Ideally needs to be made bootable for Amiga, Mac, Windows, ST and
Linux systems though, as there are emulators for all of them.

--
Dilwyn Jones
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004


>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Duncan
> Neithercut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
> >Autorun CDs on a PC are possible.
> >When a CD is inserted into the CD drive when windows is running
> >Windows looks for a file on the CD called Autorun.inf
> >This is a text file. Info about this can be found on the web.
> >Basically all that the file needs to contain is the statement :
> >
> > open=Program.Exe : to execute a program like QPC2
> >or
> >   open=document.html   : but this assumes that there is an
appropriate
> >browser available in windows and that a Windows program start.exe
is
> >available. This is apparently not available in Windows NT & 2000.
> >
> >There is on the web an alternative freeware program called "avvia".
It can
> >be used as a substitute for start.exe.
> >It seems to work OK. I use it to make autorunning CDs with
powerpoint
> >presentations sometimes needed for my job, but after reading this
thread I
> >have just made - 2minute job an autorunning CD that boots up QPC2
with a
> >small QXL.win file on the CD as well. The CD contains :
> >
> >Autorun.inf
> >QPC2
> >avvia
> >Register.key
> >QXL.win
> >SMSQ/E
> >
> >So if thats the sort of thing  you are looking for its probably
feasable.
> >Dilwyn could make an auto running PC CD rom that boots one of the
freeware
> >QL emulators which launches a QL text viewer with his readme file &
a
> >browser to give instant access to the software in for example his
excellent
> >PD CDROM.
> >
> >I can supply the zip file containing avvia if anyone wants to try
it.
>
> Magic Duncan !
>
> There is always someone who can give the answer in this community
:-)
>
> I hope Dilwyn can take this forward when he has the time.
>
> It would be a real way to get some 'old' users back, and introduce
some
> new ones too.
>
> >Duncan
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of
> >Dilwyn Jones
> >Sent: 10 August 2003 23:57
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004
> >
> >>The QL Emulators CD that Dilwyn and Darren produced, for example,
was
> >a
> >>great idea. Once the GUI's area available it would be good to do
this
> >>again ... and more.
> >Thanks. I hadn't really thought of using Launchpad or QDT in this
> >context, but who knows?
> >
> >>Have CD that would 'auto magically' produce and set up a QL
> >environment
> >>on a MAC or PC, etc.  It will have to be easy and 'done on a
plate'
> >to
> >>get new users involved.  They won't have the time to catch up on
all
> >the
> >>things that those of still involved may know about.
> >This is one of the shortcomings of the present CD, I didn't know
> >enough about the 'other computers' to do auto-setups etc, which is
why
> >it's only a home brew-DIY tinkerers setup and readme.txt's etc.
Anyone
> >who'd like to do this is welcome to have a copy to provide such a
> >setup, but please make it flexible enough to allow for whatever
might
> >happen, for example, the latest CD (v1.24) now has QL2K and the
> >Windows version of uQLx, just added "as is" with additions to the
> >readme files.
>
> --
> Malcolm Cadman
>

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[Roy wood]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any of
you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending it
to me for a fiver or so?
SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other option.
The updates don't work that way.
They require the machine connected, and they work out what updates are
needed.  This then happens automagically without an explicit file being
downloaded.
Sorry to continue an OT discussion here but you are wrong. You can go to 
the Microsoft site and download the SP4. The pack you need to download 
is the one for network users. This is because people with multiple 
machine do not want to connect them individually to do the updates.
--
Roy Wood
Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.
Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501
web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[Dave Walker]

Tony,

That is not true - it is possible to get the complete SP as a single file.
The full SP4 for W2K is 129Mb (I know because I have it !).   This can then
be applied to any flavour of W2K  (workstation, server, advanced server).

I agree if you are online, you can download a setup program that then
downloads only the required parts - but this is not the only way to apply
the SP.

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour


>
> On  Sat, 16 Aug 2003 at 14:23:06, P Witte wrote:
> (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>
> >
> >I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
> >However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any of
> >you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending
it
> >to me for a fiver or so?
> >
> >SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other
option.
> The updates don't work that way.
> They require the machine connected, and they work out what updates are
> needed.  This then happens automagically without an explicit file being
> downloaded.
>
> You have no option, I think, but to connect your machine to broadband.
> If you are passing Tring I would be happy to provide a link.
> I did just that the other day for someone.
> Even with broadband it is likely to take a few hours.  Not only is the
> connection to M$ pretty slow (The latest worm scare?)  but the files
> take forever to install once downloaded.
> It will be a two or three stab - Certainly SP1 will be separate, and I
> think, with W2000, there is a second exclusive install (8-(#
> >
> >Per
> >
> >PS Contact me privately first - I only need one. And please dont email
this
> >file to me or dump it on the list! ;)
>
> -- 
>  QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255
>  tony@.co.uk  http://www.firshman.co.uk
>Voice: +44(0)1442-828254   Fax: +44(0)1442-828255
> TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG

Re: [ql-users] an [OT] favour

[Tony Firshman]

On  Sat, 16 Aug 2003 at 14:23:06, P Witte wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

>
>I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
>However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any of
>you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending it
>to me for a fiver or so?
>
>SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other option.
The updates don't work that way.
They require the machine connected, and they work out what updates are
needed.  This then happens automagically without an explicit file being
downloaded.

You have no option, I think, but to connect your machine to broadband.
If you are passing Tring I would be happy to provide a link.
I did just that the other day for someone.
Even with broadband it is likely to take a few hours.  Not only is the
connection to M$ pretty slow (The latest worm scare?)  but the files
take forever to install once downloaded.
It will be a two or three stab - Certainly SP1 will be separate, and I
think, with W2000, there is a second exclusive install (8-(#
>
>Per
>
>PS Contact me privately first - I only need one. And please dont email this
>file to me or dump it on the list! ;)

-- 
 QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255
 tony@.co.uk  http://www.firshman.co.uk
   Voice: +44(0)1442-828254   Fax: +44(0)1442-828255
TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG

Re: [ql-users] Q60 and keyboards

[Tarquin Mills]

Phoebus Dokos wrote:
> ex ram1_lxx;'-m 32 -k ram1_vmlinux -r ram1_ramimg.gz -- root=/dev/ram"
>
> replace the "32" with the amount of memory you have on your system.
  
  Using my acorn I formatted 2 new floppies DOS 1.44MB (they came Mac 
formatted, which made them cheaper) then added lxx and vmlinux to disk 1, 
and ramimg5_gz to disk 2. I put them in my just fitted (to the Q60) 
brand new slimline floppy drive, so that I can fix the CF's C/H/S now
that I have a short cable. The expensive drive then died on me! So my 
question is, if you connect a floppies data cable around the wrong way
will it destroy a slimline drive and what is the case for normal drives?
My QLs seem to eat floppy drives for breakfast, I have lost 9 drives
so far. Am I right in think as someone told me that the red end of the
data cable should be near the power cable. This is the case on the Acorn
I am writing this on, but not the slimline drive cable adapter.   

-- 
Tarquin Mills 

RUNG (RISC OS Users, Norfolk Group)

Re: [ql-users] QL Toady ?

[Dilwyn Jones]

> >> Norman Dunbar wrote:
> >>> Tony Firshman wrote:
> >>> > I got mine two days ago.
> >>> Ah well, I live in what is laughingly called 'The North' - the
Postie
> >>> must take longer to get here !
> >>
> >> When I was in Aberdeen the post was really slow, it took 2 weeks
from
> >> Surrey. I remember buying Sinclair QL World when I was up there
from the
> >> main John Menzies who used to stock it (was it for you). I had
the
Age old problem. My Quanta newsletter always seems to arrive a couple
of days AFTER the workshop it promotes

--
Dilwyn Jones

Re: [ql-users] Q60 and keyboards

[Dilwyn Jones]

> } I mean, it should just leak out the cut end shouldn't it ? :o)
>
> No, it never leak!
> The signal propagates along the line, and when it reach the end of
the line,
> it partially reflect (just like waves do on harbour) and then
propagate back,
> crossing the new incoming signal... The bad thing is that the device
> in the middle of the cable is only able to detect the level of the
wave,
> not its component part, neither which component cames from which
direction.
>
> If you thing of electricity like of water, you must remember that
waves DO NOT
> move the water horizontally, but mostly VERTICALLY. (unless
Thank goodness for that, or it would surely fall of the end of the
(flat) earth wouldn't it ;-)))

--
Dilwyn Jones

Re: [ql-users] Q60 and keyboards - the Smoke Theory

[Dilwyn Jones]

Hey guys, didn't your mums and dads ever tell you not to smoke in
public?

Dilwyn Jones

> Holy Smoke Batman !
>
> -
> Norman Dunbar

Re: [ql-users] QL2004

[Dilwyn Jones]

The autorun.inf  only works on Windows systems though, surely?

I don't mind adding an autorun.info which would boot iit into a DOS or
Windows text viewer to show the readme.txt, that should be simple
enough, I could even use the free Word viewer to boot the readme.doc
file.

Ideally needs to be made bootable for Amiga, Mac, Windows, ST and
Linux systems though, as there are emulators for all of them.

--
Dilwyn Jones
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004


>
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Duncan
> Neithercut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
> >Autorun CDs on a PC are possible.
> >When a CD is inserted into the CD drive when windows is running
> >Windows looks for a file on the CD called Autorun.inf
> >This is a text file. Info about this can be found on the web.
> >Basically all that the file needs to contain is the statement :
> >
> > open=Program.Exe : to execute a program like QPC2
> >or
> >   open=document.html   : but this assumes that there is an
appropriate
> >browser available in windows and that a Windows program start.exe
is
> >available. This is apparently not available in Windows NT & 2000.
> >
> >There is on the web an alternative freeware program called "avvia".
It can
> >be used as a substitute for start.exe.
> >It seems to work OK. I use it to make autorunning CDs with
powerpoint
> >presentations sometimes needed for my job, but after reading this
thread I
> >have just made - 2minute job an autorunning CD that boots up QPC2
with a
> >small QXL.win file on the CD as well. The CD contains :
> >
> >Autorun.inf
> >QPC2
> >avvia
> >Register.key
> >QXL.win
> >SMSQ/E
> >
> >So if thats the sort of thing  you are looking for its probably
feasable.
> >Dilwyn could make an auto running PC CD rom that boots one of the
freeware
> >QL emulators which launches a QL text viewer with his readme file &
a
> >browser to give instant access to the software in for example his
excellent
> >PD CDROM.
> >
> >I can supply the zip file containing avvia if anyone wants to try
it.
>
> Magic Duncan !
>
> There is always someone who can give the answer in this community
:-)
>
> I hope Dilwyn can take this forward when he has the time.
>
> It would be a real way to get some 'old' users back, and introduce
some
> new ones too.
>
> >Duncan
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of
> >Dilwyn Jones
> >Sent: 10 August 2003 23:57
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL2004
> >
> >>The QL Emulators CD that Dilwyn and Darren produced, for example,
was
> >a
> >>great idea. Once the GUI's area available it would be good to do
this
> >>again ... and more.
> >Thanks. I hadn't really thought of using Launchpad or QDT in this
> >context, but who knows?
> >
> >>Have CD that would 'auto magically' produce and set up a QL
> >environment
> >>on a MAC or PC, etc.  It will have to be easy and 'done on a
plate'
> >to
> >>get new users involved.  They won't have the time to catch up on
all
> >the
> >>things that those of still involved may know about.
> >This is one of the shortcomings of the present CD, I didn't know
> >enough about the 'other computers' to do auto-setups etc, which is
why
> >it's only a home brew-DIY tinkerers setup and readme.txt's etc.
Anyone
> >who'd like to do this is welcome to have a copy to provide such a
> >setup, but please make it flexible enough to allow for whatever
might
> >happen, for example, the latest CD (v1.24) now has QL2K and the
> >Windows version of uQLx, just added "as is" with additions to the
> >readme files.
>
> --
> Malcolm Cadman
>

[ql-users] an [OT] favour

[P Witte]

I urgently need to install the latest service pack on my W2k machines!
However, it is a 120+Mb download! and I dont have broadband. Would any of
you like to contact me about downloading this file onto a CD and sending it
to me for a fiver or so?

SOO unpatriotic and off-topic, I know, but I dont know of any other option.

Per

PS Contact me privately first - I only need one. And please dont email this
file to me or dump it on the list! ;)

P