Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

[Tony Firshman]

On  Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 20:09:09,
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>And while Bruce is at it, I suggest he fixes the ql-users headers to an
>appropriate format so it identifies itself as a mailing list :-)
I didn' know that was a header feature.
Mind you get software (like Turnpike) which does all the necessary
routeing etc by sender address.  That is just as good isn't it?

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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Darren . Branagh]

Thanks to all for the comments on the Eurocheques - it was actually a
german customer buying some CF adapters!!

We have solved it - he is paying by money transfer direct into my bank
account using my international bank account number (didn't know there was
such a thing, but there you go!! Just shows what a call to the bank branch
can bring) this apparently is completely charge free as it is all
electronic.

cheers,

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Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland.
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Re: [ql-users] Launchpad

[Darren . Branagh]

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Yes, I got the same error as phoebus, the correct address is:-

http://homepages.tesco.net/dilwyn.jones/launchpad/launchpad.html

this displays fine.

cheers,

Darren Branagh,
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:40:12 +0100, Dilwyn Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> Blatant advertising, so I'll keep it brief.
>
> The Launchpad information page on my website is now up to date, and
> you can download the trial version free of charge from there. Trial
> version is limited to 4 program icons on the desktop and a small
> number of programs in the Quicklaunch menu.
>
> Full version will be available very soon, just the Calculator
> accessory program left to finish, all the other accessories can also
> be downloaded free from the Launchpad page.
>
> http://homepages.tesco.net/dilwyn.jones/launchpad/launchpad.html
>
> I mention this here as I am very interested in feedback from this
> first 'public' version so that I can try to include any changes
> arising from feedback into the first commercial release version.
>
> --
> Dilwyn Jones
>
>

Sorry to say that Dilwyn but the www prefix doesn't work. Without it the
page works fine

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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Colin Parsons]

May be in Ireland, but banks in UK charge £10 for a small transfer!! All
electronic or NOT!!!
I have been caught with this paying some one in Germany for an eBay
purchase. I must have found the only German without a credit card and hence
no chance of using Paypal.


Cheers

Colin
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>
>
> Thanks to all for the comments on the Eurocheques - it was actually a
> german customer buying some CF adapters!!
>
> We have solved it - he is paying by money transfer direct into my bank
> account using my international bank account number (didn't know there was
> such a thing, but there you go!! Just shows what a call to the bank branch
> can bring) this apparently is completely charge free as it is all
> electronic.
>
> cheers,
>
> Darren Branagh,
> Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business,
> Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland.
> Tel: 01-6798230  Fax: 01-6706813.
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[ql-users] J-M-S blocked by Hotmail?

[SMSQ - Jochen Merz]

Hi everybody,

just wanted to inform you that all mails to hotmail subscribers
of QL News bounced back yesterday and today.
Don't know if Hotmail has a technical problem or if they
block J-M-S as a "revenge" that I reject their mail
(mainly spam, like yahoo, sorry to say that).
If it is a tech problem, don't react, if they really block
J-M-S, then I suggest you provide me with a better email
address for QL News (if you subscribed there).
Regards   Jochen

Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[SMSQ - Jochen Merz]

Hi Darren,

Eurocheques DID work in the past - the receiver paid nothing,
the "sender" 1.75% of the cheque's value. This is how the rule
was and this is how it worked in Germany.
Then a few countries decided to drop out (like the UK) and this
is when Roy and I started to have problems with these cheques.
Step by step, all banks dropped out because they did not make
enough money from this and it was a method too cheap and easy
to pay private individuals in different currencies, especially
during holidays.
With the introduction of the EUR, the banks DOUBLED the charge
for getting cash out of the wall (of course, we all benefit, huhuuu)...
and got rid of the Eurocheques everywhere, so there is no choice.
Eurocheques do not exist anymore, so they are treated like
"ordinary" cheques ... and the fee for ordinary cheques are
extraordinary. I would call them "Go-away" charge.
Postbank has raised the prices for cashing foreign cheques
by a factor of 10
Just like Roy says, banks make sure they get their share.
Whoever believed that they would not find ways to compensate
the loss of the money they made with currency-exchange must
have been extremely naive.
BUT - money transfers between EURO countries is fairly
cheap now. Customers need to specifiy IBAN and BIC and
then it should not cost more than a national transfer.
HOWEVER: If they miss one of the numbers, both you and the
customers pay :-(((
Cheers  Jochen

Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

["Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκος)"]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:36:48 +0100, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

On  Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 20:09:09,
=?iso-8859-7?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKNbv3+Lv8iDRLiDN9Pzq7/IpIg==?=
wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

And while Bruce is at it, I suggest he fixes the ql-users headers to an
appropriate format so it identifies itself as a mailing list :-)
I didn' know that was a header feature.
It is not. Not really that is. Turnpike (and the Bat!) are smart enough to 
be able to distinguish them, however others (like Opera's M2, Eudora 5/6 
etc) rely on the standard and thus it becomes a "headers" issue. (ie if 
some are missing then the post is not considered an mailing list message). 
Moreover this approach at times is better as it can potentially protect 
you from fraudulent posts (ie the spammer or virus writer may simulate 
some of the headers but not all of them (especially in a closed list like 
this one). The "appropriate headers"  approach therefore will work great 
with both Turnpike and everything else that supports separation of regular 
from mailing list emails without loss of functionality (and a couple of 
additional benefits too)

Mind you get software (like Turnpike) which does all the necessary
routeing etc by sender address.  That is just as good isn't it?
No, not really since an email can be send from a mailing list but can also 
be forged (see above).

If Bruce wants a sample configuration file for majordomo I'd be glad to 
send him one. (It's also nice how you upload that... easy as 1,2,3)

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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Darren . Branagh]

Thanks Jochen,

This is what I have done - I got my IBAN number from my bank, and the
customer is lodging the funds to it.

I still cannot belive the Eurocheques though, a perfectly good system than
the banks have ruined.

Thanks,

Darren Branagh,
Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business,
Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland.
Tel: 01-6798230  Fax: 01-6706813.

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Hi Darren,

Eurocheques DID work in the past - the receiver paid nothing,
the "sender" 1.75% of the cheque's value. This is how the rule
was and this is how it worked in Germany.
Then a few countries decided to drop out (like the UK) and this
is when Roy and I started to have problems with these cheques.

Step by step, all banks dropped out because they did not make
enough money from this and it was a method too cheap and easy
to pay private individuals in different currencies, especially
during holidays.
With the introduction of the EUR, the banks DOUBLED the charge
for getting cash out of the wall (of course, we all benefit, huhuuu)...
and got rid of the Eurocheques everywhere, so there is no choice.

Eurocheques do not exist anymore, so they are treated like
"ordinary" cheques ... and the fee for ordinary cheques are
extraordinary. I would call them "Go-away" charge.

Postbank has raised the prices for cashing foreign cheques
by a factor of 10

Just like Roy says, banks make sure they get their share.
Whoever believed that they would not find ways to compensate
the loss of the money they made with currency-exchange must
have been extremely naive.

BUT - money transfers between EURO countries is fairly
cheap now. Customers need to specifiy IBAN and BIC and
then it should not cost more than a national transfer.
HOWEVER: If they miss one of the numbers, both you and the
customers pay :-(((

Cheers  Jochen









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Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

[Malcolm Cadman]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:36:48 +0100, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

On  Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 20:09:09,
=?iso-8859-7?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKNbv3+Lv8iDRLiDN9Pzq7/IpIg==?=
wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

And while Bruce is at it, I suggest he fixes the ql-users headers to an
appropriate format so it identifies itself as a mailing list :-)
I didn' know that was a header feature.
It is not. Not really that is. Turnpike (and the Bat!) are smart enough 
to be able to distinguish them, however others (like Opera's M2, Eudora 
5/6 etc) rely on the standard and thus it becomes a "headers" issue. 
(ie if some are missing then the post is not considered an mailing list 
message). Moreover this approach at times is better as it can 
potentially protect you from fraudulent posts (ie the spammer or virus 
writer may simulate some of the headers but not all of them (especially 
in a closed list like this one). The "appropriate headers"  approach 
therefore will work great with both Turnpike and everything else that 
supports separation of regular from mailing list emails without loss of 
functionality (and a couple of additional benefits too)

Mind you get software (like Turnpike) which does all the necessary
routeing etc by sender address.  That is just as good isn't it?
No, not really since an email can be send from a mailing list but can 
also be forged (see above).

If Bruce wants a sample configuration file for majordomo I'd be glad to 
send him one. (It's also nice how you upload that... easy as 1,2,3)
It is a nice feature of Turnpike to receive email from a list like this 
into a defined Newsgroup.

However, it doesn't always work. This computer with Turnpike receives it 
in the default mailbox, so I have to cut and paste into the Newsgroup. 
On my other computers with Turnpike it works fine.

So any change with the header can only help.

--
Malcolm Cadman

Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

[Malcolm Cadman]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wolfgang Lenerz 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
On 22 Oct 2003, at 23:23, Tony Firshman wrote:

This could save future embarrassment - I can feel the heat from
Wolfgang's ears from here (8-)#
Yup.
I'm just baking bread in them.
He isn't the first to post to the wrong place, and I am sure won't be
the last.
Thanks.
I do hope it'll be MY last mispost, though.
Again, apologies all around.
No problem.

I've deleted it anyway ... assuming it was meant to be a private 
posting.

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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Peter Fox]

I must live in a different universe.  I did have the most tremendous 
problems setting up a Euro account, the bank went to sleep for nearly two 
months.

AS a result, the bank actually provided a bankers draft in Euros for me to 
send to Austria.  I have personally sent a cheque in Euros drawn on a Euro 
account to Germany to pay for a trip to Worms.  His bank took it in and 
mine eventually paid out the funds.

I do not know what he was charged in Germany but there were no charges to 
me at my bank.

Whether this is due to the many problems I have had and put up with, I do 
not know but I can and do send out cheques denominated in Euros.

Regards,

Peter Fox


In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dilwyn Jones) wrote:

> 1. No longer possible in the UK, banks stopped them end of either last
> year or year before. We couldn't take them here, didn't know they'd
> still be accepted in Ireland!
> 
> 2. Back in DJC days...If the cheque was in the correct currency of the
> country where it was used for payment, correctly completed and
> supported by the Eurocheque card guarantee number on the back of the
> cheque, and for upto £100, there was a standard flat fee (it was
> either 90pence or £1.90, forget which) which made it one of the
> cheaper payment options for small orders from continental Europe at
> the time, even if many of the local bank clerks didn't know what to do
> with them! A few cheques came in for over £100, or incorrectly
> completed, or without card number, then I got stung as though it was
> an ordinary foreign currency cheque. Then the Euro came along and
> things got more complex.
> 
> 3. From a bank charges standpoint, you are probably better off going
> for a card payment system like Paypal or similar.
> 
> 4. Might prove cheaper, though slightly less secure, to take payment
> in draft, cash or slightly better, Travellers Cheques. But travellers
> cheques can be as insecure as cash, so make sure you get the customer
> to make them payable to you and only you, can't remember the details
> of how and haven't got any here to look at, but basically fill in a
> payee name, ensure it is account payee (or travellers cheque
> equivalent) only - again this was advice given to me in DJC days and
> might be out of date by now.
> 
> 5. Since you are able IIRC to take ordinary GBP payments, why did you
> get a Eurocheque for a British order, or did the customer not know?
> 
> Can you let me know what forms of payment you can take, as it will be
> easier to direct European orders for Launchpad to you, as customers
> can pay you in Euros.
> 
> Dilwyn Jones
> > Just a query regarding Eurocheques. Mostly for the traders this one,
> but
> > any advice welcome...
> >
> > Typically, I have never had to deal in Eurocheques, as most of the
> orders I
> > process for Q-Celt come in via the Uk and I usually get UK personal
> cheques
> > or bank drafts, and sometimes cash.
> >
> > However, I recently got an order, and the customer paid by
> eurocheque.
> >
> > On going to my bank (which I WORK for!!) I was told there would be a
> 15
> > euro charge for processing the eurocheque, plus I would be open to a
> charge
> > from Deutsche Bank also (an unknown amount, but probably something
> similar
> > to the one my bank were charging) as it would have to be sent to
> them for
> > cashing!!
> >
> > The cheque was for 48 pounds sterling - and nearly half of this
> would have
> > gone on charges if I had cashed it.
> >
> > Is this correct?  How on earth are eurocheques therefore usable at
> all,
> > unless dealing in huge amounts? Am I doing something wrong?
> 

Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

[Tony Firshman]

On  Thu, 23 Oct 2003 at 18:28:09, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

It is a nice feature of Turnpike to receive email from a list like this 
into a defined Newsgroup.

However, it doesn't always work. This computer with Turnpike receives 
it in the default mailbox, so I have to cut and paste into the 
Newsgroup. On my other computers with Turnpike it works fine.

So any change with the header can only help.
Maybe it is down to version differences.
Mind oyu I have never had any problem with routeing of mailing lists, 
and I think I have used _all_ versions from V3.

Incidentally, I see you posted this using TP 6.01.  You should be using 
6.02!

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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Tony Firshman]

On  Thu, 23 Oct 2003 at 21:19:00, Peter Fox wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

>
>I must live in a different universe.  I did have the most tremendous
>problems setting up a Euro account, the bank went to sleep for nearly two
>months.
>
>AS a result, the bank actually provided a bankers draft in Euros for me to
>send to Austria.  I have personally sent a cheque in Euros drawn on a Euro
>account to Germany to pay for a trip to Worms.  His bank took it in and
>mine eventually paid out the funds.
>
>I do not know what he was charged in Germany but there were no charges to
>me at my bank.
>
>Whether this is due to the many problems I have had and put up with, I do
>not know but I can and do send out cheques denominated in Euros.
The discussion here was about 'eurocheques' not about 'cheques in euros'

A euro bank account is a very different thing.
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Re: [ql-users] Re:smsqe 3.03

[Tony Firshman]

On  Thu, 23 Oct 2003 at 07:00:36,
=?iso-8859-7?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKNbv3+Lv8iDRLiDN9Pzq7/IpIg==?=
wrote:
(ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

>
>On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:36:48 +0100, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> On  Wed, 22 Oct 2003 at 20:09:09,
>> =?iso-8859-7?B?IlBob2VidXMgUi4gRG9rb3MgKNbv3+Lv8iDRLiDN9Pzq7/IpIg==?=
>> wrote:
>> (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
>>
>>
>>> And while Bruce is at it, I suggest he fixes the ql-users headers to an
>>> appropriate format so it identifies itself as a mailing list :-)
>> I didn' know that was a header feature.
>
>It is not. Not really that is. Turnpike (and the Bat!) are smart enough
>to be able to distinguish them,
Not Turnpike.  It simply offers mail routing - with a potentially
complex algorithm.
However I simply select by email address - perfectly OK for mailing
lists.
> however others (like Opera's M2, Eudora 5/6 etc) rely on the standard
>and thus it becomes a "headers" issue. (ie if some are missing then the
>post is not considered an mailing list message). Moreover this approach
>at times is better as it can potentially protect you from fraudulent
>posts (ie the spammer or virus writer may simulate some of the headers
>but not all of them (especially in a closed list like this one). The
>"appropriate headers"  approach therefore will work great with both
>Turnpike and everything else that supports separation of regular from
>mailing list emails without loss of functionality (and a couple of
>additional benefits too)
>
>> Mind you get software (like Turnpike) which does all the necessary
>> routeing etc by sender address.  That is just as good isn't it?
>>
>
>No, not really since an email can be send from a mailing list but can
>also be forged (see above).
Ah I see - true.  I have not seen any in the mailing lists I take, other
than ql-chat.
>


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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

[Roy wood]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
A euro bank account is a very different thing.
Well it is just as useless. I closed mine. The only cheque in Euros I 
sent to Jochen cost him about 25 pounds to cash and took months. The 
money left my bank in days though.
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Re: [ql-users] Eurocheques

["Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκος)"]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:22:39 +0100, Roy wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
A euro bank account is a very different thing.
Well it is just as useless. I closed mine. The only cheque in Euros I 
sent to Jochen cost him about 25 pounds to cash and took months. The 
money left my bank in days though.


From what I hear all these problems have to do with mostly UK banks. I had 
never a problem cashing German, French or other cheques in Greece. I did 
however had a lot of trouble (and a huge cost) from a UK drawn cheque.

In any case these days I am using Citibank for my international 
transactions and I usually pay nothing receive or send. Most UK sellers 
that travel all the time could just open an account in France or elsewhere 
and with their ATM cards or online account do all the transactions they 
need. In the case of Citibank you can access your Euro or US$ account from 
anywhere in the world there's a Citibank and deposit or withdraw as well 
regardless of the "home country" of the account.

All the best,

Phoebus

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