Re: "unable to locate alias user"

[asantos]

From: Matthew Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Any ideas where to look?
>


Check the /var/qmail/users/{assign,cdb} stuff. Maybe someone played with the
alias.

Armando

Re: "unable to locate alias user"

[Matthew Hunter]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 06:42:04AM +0100, Markus Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:12:12PM -0600, Matthew Hunter wrote:
> > I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was   
> > different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
> > uid.  Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
> > nothing immediately springs to mind.   
> 
> This is strange, as AFAICS the lookup ist done by name not uid.

Odd, I'm certain I remember discussion about the pros and cons of
compiling the uids into the binaries on this list earlier.  

> auto_usera.c:
> 
> char auto_usera[] = "\
> \141\154\151\141\163\
> ";
> 
> 
> and the log message is triggerd by
> qmail-getpw.c
> 
>   if (!userext()) {
> extension = local;
> dash = "-";
> pw = getpwnam(auto_usera);
>   }
>   
>   if (!pw) _exit(QLX_NOALIAS);
> 
> 
> Maybe your password file is messed up?

That was my first thought.  Unfortunately, fixing the obvious
oddities in passwd didn't help matters.  I'll go back and stare
at it further, maybe I missed something.

-- 
Matthew Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: "unable to locate alias user"

[Markus Stumpf]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:12:12PM -0600, Matthew Hunter wrote:
> I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was   
> different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
> uid.  Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
> nothing immediately springs to mind.   

This is strange, as AFAICS the lookup ist done by name not uid.

auto_usera.c:

char auto_usera[] = "\
\141\154\151\141\163\
";


and the log message is triggerd by
qmail-getpw.c

  if (!userext()) {
extension = local;
dash = "-";
pw = getpwnam(auto_usera);
  }
  
  if (!pw) _exit(QLX_NOALIAS);


Maybe your password file is messed up?

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qmail vpopmail - Help on logging remote IP

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Hi,

vpopmail[58140]: vchkpw login [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

how to logging the remote IP

" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: IP "

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"unable to locate alias user"

[Matthew Hunter]

2000-12-01 20:40:08.460829500 starting delivery 16: msg 38650 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2000-12-01 20:40:08.460845500 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
2000-12-01 20:40:08.467900500 delivery 16: deferral: Unable_to_find_alias_user!/
  
The above log snippit illustrates a problem I am running into on
a new qmail installation.  However, the alias user DOES in fact
exist.
  
I'm in the process of trying to determine if the alias uid was   
different when qmail was compiled vs the current alias
uid.  Other than that, which I don't think is the problem,
nothing immediately springs to mind.   
  
Any ideas where to look?

-- 
Matthew Hunter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[asantos]

From: Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Good luck to you, then.
>You will need it.


No luck involved.

>If your servers never crash and you never have unexpected hardware
>failures, mysql may be for you.


I've had hardware failures on the servers, and power failures. No problem
with MySQL. But see below.

>Mysql users are consistently being bitten by data loss when one of their
>servers crashes.  Mysql is notorious for being "SQL for kids", i.e. fine
>for playing around but not for production use.  Use an SQL database that
>offers transactional integrity instead.


Which just goes to show that you don't know what you're talking about. The
architecture that I described in the previous message does not require
transactions (nor the code bloat that cames with support for it). It's a
single, non relational, lookup:

select pw_name, pw_passwd, pw_uid from vpopmail where pw_name='abcdef'
and pw_domain='ghijk.com';

The (infrequent) updates to the database occur when a user is added or a
password is changed, and even then its a single row update. Transactional ou
relational integrity are not needed.

That being said, I encouraje you to thing about the nature and filosophy of
qmail: simple modules, interconnected, each doing its part of the work. Why
in hell would I need Oracle or Sybase or whatever when what I need is a
simple lookup and a modicum of scaling capability?

>Mysql recently added transactional integrity by integrating Berkeley DB,
>which is the single database that caused the most data loss on all of my
>machines combined.  I would never use anything relying on Berkeley DB
>ever again.  You just need to look at their source code to see what I
>mean.


I don't use MySQL for a work that is not cut for it. I don't even really
care about SQL in the present case. And I mistrust beta versions. That's why
I don't get burned, as the track record I mentioned proves.

>But in the end, the choice is yours.  But don't whine when you use Mysql
>and lose all your data eventually.  Keep good and current backups.  If
>your data are read-only, then Mysql may even be a prudent choice.


Who's whining? Again, "profile, don't speculate". And please try and be
consistent, you wrote a 3kb message concluding with a single sentence
contradiction to everything else in the message.

Armando

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Scott D. Yelich]

On 1 Dec 2000, Matt Brown wrote:
> The only problem with doing that is the clueful admins with clueless
> management who force everyone to use the Corporate Email Solution, ie
> Outlook.  Not me right now, but it was me in my last job.

Agreed.  At my last consulting job... it took over 3 weeks to get the
corporate email set up... once it was set up, I had mail waiting before
I even got in the first time.  The third message was a virus from
someone I didn't even know (in the company).  Everyone was forced to use
outlook/express - no ifs-and-or-buts 

one guy insisted emailing mailing lists with this whereabouts...
"I'm going to lunch now" ... "I'm going to be 30 minutes
late getting in this morning" ... etc.

Scott
ps: qmail qmail qmail qmail qmail

Re: AntiVirus!

[Al Lipscomb]

> 
> 2) The actual virus code may be hidden inside a wide number of
> packaging schemes; different mime encodings, compression formats,
> encryption formats, etc.  It is impossible for a virus scanner to be
> able to read them all.  Thus some known viruses can slip by because
> they're inside an unknown packaging scheme.
> 
> Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
> for preventing viruses.
> 

Depends on what you want to put in place. Simple rule: no attachments get to a 
MUA, they are removed and put into a secure file area. If they can be scanned
and found to have no potential to carry code then they are sanity checked and
may be picked up by their owner. If they can or do carry code then they must be 
inspected by hand and then a signature checking virus scanner. 

Sanity checks would include resonable headers and characters that are
printable. 

The down side of this is you get many false hits. The good side is that while
the signature based systems are waiting for updates you have a pile of
.vbs or .exe files waiting to be looked at. 

Solutions include both commercial and roll your own. 

 
No solution is 100% but prescribing a solution that is only signature based
is not enough. Having to shut down email to a 3,000 user organization 
due to the latest "love bug" attack will not win you friends.

Of course getting it right got me (and the rest of the team) a nice
polo shirt from Symantec.

EZMLM web archive HELP PLEASE, DESPERATE!!

[Barry Smoke]

I'm copying this back to both the qmail list, and the ezmlm list, because it
is not that simple, although I really appreciate the reply...it has been the
only one I've gotten.

After all the research, and digging through, FAQ's and documentation, I am
really surprised I am having this much trouble figuring this out.  This
should be one of the most common things to do with an ezmlm mailing list.

I'm starting to wonder if there is another rpm everyone else is
using...although I can't find one referenced anywhere

here is the original postmy problems are below:

> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:12:16PM -0600, Barry Smoke wrote:
> > somewhere between adding the web-archive functionality to ezmlm-idx-4.0,
and
> > documenting ezmlm-cgi, there is a loss of information on how to
implement
> > it.
> >
> > I have searched for hours to find documentation on how to get a
web-archive
> > up.
> > I am using qmail on a redhat 7.0 system, and I installed the
ezmlm-idx-mysql
> > rpm.  All lists are functioning normally, but the rpm is missing the
> > ezmlm-cgi.
>
> The src rpm creates *two* binary rpms---one is the ezmlm-cgi rpm.
> Install that.  In the doc directory, there will be some files
> explaining what to do.
>
> Mate
>
>
First of all, I can't find ezmlm-cgi anywhere in the source rpm I downloaded
from ezmlm.org.  I untar'd ezmlm, ezmlm-idx, and the spec file kit, which is
where I found the mysql spec file , which is the one I am usingalthough
I tried both the std, and the mysql.spec

I saw the ezmlm-cgi.c file listed on the following directory listing of
ezmlm.org, so I downloaded that, but have no idea where to put it. There is
no makefile to just compile it.  This should be distributed in the proper
place already, and there should be a place in the spec file defining it, if
it is indeed a seperate rpm.

here is all the source rpm builds:..it is the tail end of my rpm -ba
ezmlm-idx-mysql.spec output

Conflicts: ezmlm ezmlm-idx-std ezmlm-idx-pgsql
Obsoletes: ezmlm-idx
Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
Wrote: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/ezmlm-idx-mysql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
##
Here is the directory listing of ftp.ezmlm.org/pub/patches
I downloaded the ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
which is what I'm working with, which looks like the latest one.

ncftp /pub > cd patches
ncftp /pub/patches > ls
+i774.703138,m959369200,r,s3418,00README
+i774.703139,m959369200,r,s1052,MIRRORS
+i774.98145,m959369726,r,s164717,   ezfaq.html.tar.gz
+i774.98146,m959369728,r,s210446,   ezfaq.ps.gz
+i774.98147,m959369729,r,s210453,   ezfaq.ps4.gz
+i774.98148,m959369730,r,s95704,ezfaq.txt.gz
+i774.703144,m959369205,r,s62693,   ezmlm-0.53.tar.gz
+i774.703145,m959369206,r,s3756,ezmlm-approve-0.10.tar.gz
+i774.703146,m959369208,r,s351968,  ezmlm-idx-0.31.tar.gz
+i774.703147,m959369211,r,s351968,  ezmlm-idx-0.316.tar.gz
+i774.703148,m959369214,r,s491392,  ezmlm-idx-0.32.tar.gz
+i774.703149,m959369217,r,s491392,  ezmlm-idx-0.324.tar.gz
+i774.703150,m959369221,r,s553974,  ezmlm-idx-0.40.tar.gz
+i774.703151,m959369224,r,s466186,  ezmlm-idx-0.53.316-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703152,m959369227,r,s418332,  ezmlm-idx-0.53.316-1.src.rpm
+i774.703153,m959369231,r,s589076,  ezmlm-idx-0.53.324-1.src.rpm
+i774.703154,m959369237,r,s891445,  ezmlm-idx-mysql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703155,m959369241,r,s619795,  ezmlm-idx-pgsql-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703156,m959369244,r,s582734,  ezmlm-idx-std-0.53.324-1.i386.rpm
+i774.703157,m959369245,r,s3553,ezmlm-issub-0.05.tar.gz
+i774.703158,m959369245,r,s1019,ezmlm-return.diff
+i774.703159,m959369245,r,s1229,md5.sum
+i774.703160,m959369245,r,s1826,qmail-mime.tar.gz
+i774.98114,m962209881,/,   ezfaq
+i774.703162,m959369246,r,s5264,qmail-verh-0.02.tar.gz
+i774.703163,m959369246,r,s1621,rbl-multi.diff
+i774.703164,m959369246,r,s1649,serialmail-mime.tar.gz
+i774.719489,m962209903,/,  old
+i774.735841,m962209897,/,  ezman
+i774.703727,m962210095,r,s1852,index.html
+i774.735850,m959369446,r,s29546,   ezman.txt.gz
+i774.703761,m962664208,r,s67956,   ezmlm-cgi.c
+i774.735848,m959369444,r,s108391,  ezman.ps.gz
+i774.735849,m959369445,r,s108288,  ezman.ps4.gz
+i774.735847,m959369443,r,s28132,   ezman.html.tar.gz
+i774.703899,m962234203,r,s5927,qmail-verh-0.06.tar.gz


The built ezmlm-idx-mysql doesn't provide either ezmlm-cgi, or the
documentation for it, as seen from my output of rpm -ql ezmlm-idx-mysql

[root@bryant SPECS]# rpm -ql ezmlm-idx-mysql
/etc/ezmlmrc
/etc/ezmlmrc.dist
/usr/bin/ezmlm-accept
/usr/bin/ezmlm-check
/usr/bin/ezmlm-clean
/usr/bin/ezmlm-cron
/usr/bin/ezmlm-gate
/usr/bin/ezmlm-get
/usr/bin/ezmlm-glconf
/usr/bin/ezmlm-grant
/usr/bin/ezmlm-idx
/usr/bin/ezmlm-issubn
/usr/bin/ezmlm-list
/usr/bin/ezmlm-make
/usr/b

[OT -- MUA related] Re: feel like flamed or stupified?

[Louis Theran]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robin S. Socha) writes:

> [1]  Quick maildrop recipe for that, anyone?

No.  But I've got some code to help you stop sending vacuous messages.
Add it to your .gnus and restart emacs.

(defadvice message-send (before suppress-noise 
activate compile)
  ;; We go out of our our way to avoid leaving live references
  ;; to useless garbage
  (set-buffer-modified-p nil)
  (message-kill-buffer)
  (error "Zero-information message.  Not sending."))

^L

Re: AntiVirus!

[Matt Brown]

Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
> does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
> not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.

Nothing is free.  All that is possible is that the cost is less than
the benefits.

> But virus scanners are a marketing vehicle for a whole industry that
> did nothing to prevent any virus I have ever seen anyone close to me me
> have.

I used to work for an antivirus company (no longer; figured there was
no future in it, and didn't want to paint myself into a corner).
Obviously given that experience I have found virus scanners to prevent
some viruses, quite a bit in fact.  This was in the days when the PC
boot sector virus was the major type, though (for once, not a type of
virus MS can be blamed for, really -- MSDOS never pretended to be more
than a glorified progam loader anyway).

Whether the cure is worse than the disease; ah, there's the issue.
And a LOT of characters in the AV world are less than savory.

There is no truth in the concept that the AV vendors themselves write
the viruses, though!  There are PLENTY of losers out there to do it
for free.

> I don't care about Microsoft and what they fix or don't fix.
> I don't use their software and document formats.
> It's that easy.  Really.

Personally, neither do I.  However, many of us work in organisations
that do use them, and we can't change that.

-Matt

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Re: AntiVirus!

[cfm]

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 01:47:53AM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote:

> If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
> does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
> not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.

Antivirus, not **antigravity**.  ;^>


-- 

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1.207.657.5078   http://www.maine.com/
Content management, electronic commerce, internet integration, Debian linux

RE: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Andrew Buenaventura]

Felix,

Thank you very much for your very polite reply.  I have been a Windows user
for the past 6 years and an Exchange admin for 3 years.  The reason why I am
planning to migrate to linux is because it is free, very stable, and most
importantly, lists/communities (i.e. gurus like you) like this exists to
help newbies like me. 

Since you are very knowledgeable with MTAs/Qmail, please feel free to block
all postings coming from me so as not to make your bad day even worse with
my very basic qustions.  

-Original Message-
From: Felix von Leitner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 2:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail


> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only.  What
is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be
able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box.  I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.

If you don't know that, you should not be running any MTA.
If you can't find that out yourself, you should not be running any server.
No, not even a Quake server.

Hire someone who knows what he is doing and get him to do it for you.

Felix

Re: AntiVirus!

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Matt Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
> for preventing viruses.

Plus, they are a security risk in themselves.
And, they normally even cost money.

> Felix, you seem to be of the opinion that anything less than 100%
> effectiveness is worthless?  Or is it just that in your opinion
> signature based scanners are TOO FAR beneath that 100%?

If running a virus scanner would be free (i.e. does not reduce security,
does not eat up CPU time on the email server, does not use memory, does
not cost time and money to maintain) then I would not be against it.

But virus scanners are a marketing vehicle for a whole industry that
did nothing to prevent any virus I have ever seen anyone close to me me
have.

> And yes, the right solution to viruses is getting rid of the holes
> they exploit.  There is no good reason why the functionality a Word
> macro virus exploits needs to exist.  However, good luck getting
> Microsoft to fix their broken logic!

I don't care about Microsoft and what they fix or don't fix.
I don't use their software and document formats.
It's that easy.  Really.

Felix

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[Markus Stumpf]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 10:59:27PM +0100, QBA wrote:
> And one more thing - Henning Brauer wrote that using inetd is not to good idea.
> Can anyone tell me why?

  http://www-archive.ornl.gov:8000/
has a searchable archive of this list.

  http://www.ornl.gov/its/archives/mailing-lists/qmail/2000/06/msg00117.html
is what you might want to read.

\Maex

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Re: AntiVirus!

[Matt Brown]

Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Signature based detection can never catch current virii.

Either

s/current/new/

or 

s/catch/reliably catch/

There can be no argument that a signature based virus scanner can
catch SOME viruses.  The question is how reliably.

The two issues are:

1) Virus signatures MUST lag behind viruses.  Therefore there is
always a window in which the virus exists but not the signature.
Signatures only help you if you're not an early victim.

2) The actual virus code may be hidden inside a wide number of
packaging schemes; different mime encodings, compression formats,
encryption formats, etc.  It is impossible for a virus scanner to be
able to read them all.  Thus some known viruses can slip by because
they're inside an unknown packaging scheme.

Therefore, signature based scanners CANNOT be a 100% reliable method
for preventing viruses.

Felix, you seem to be of the opinion that anything less than 100%
effectiveness is worthless?  Or is it just that in your opinion
signature based scanners are TOO FAR beneath that 100%?

IMHO point (1) is more important than (2).  Most of the time, viruses
arrive in standard formats.  Virus spread, however, is very fast
nowadays -- it is increasingly common to get the virus before the
signature, while in the past (given slow methods of propagation such
as floppy disks) viruses spread much more slowly.

And yes, the right solution to viruses is getting rid of the holes
they exploit.  There is no good reason why the functionality a Word
macro virus exploits needs to exist.  However, good luck getting
Microsoft to fix their broken logic!

-Matt

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Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Matt Brown]

"Aaron L. Meehan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've said enough.  Pretty close to adding a rule for *Outlook* and
> *Inernet Mail Service* (heh, "Service!") into my .procmailrc, though,
> for mails to this list, with the SNR getting so bad among you all.

The only problem with doing that is the clueful admins with clueless
management who force everyone to use the Corporate Email Solution, ie
Outlook.  Not me right now, but it was me in my last job.

-Matt

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|   Cell: (714) 457-1854|  Personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |

Re: questions about qmail

[Robin S. Socha]

* emailsys  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>I need your help:

,[ vpopmail FAQ ]
| 14. Is there a mailing list available for vpopmail package?
| Yes. Send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
`

> I had success make freebsd+qmail+vpopmail, but once I want to use
> mysql to do user authentication, the user that created by ./vadduser
> can not login on swebmail, why?

Into a virtual domain: luser%domain.com. What do the logs say?

> It seems that sqwebmail has MySQL authentication modules, how to set
> up and install it?

The list is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you want to use the module that comes with SQWebmail, read
authlib/README.authmysql.
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

Re: qmail startup error --xrealloc: cannot reallocate..

[Joost van Baal]

On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 11:01:47AM -0600, Trey Nolen wrote:
> I'm running a Debian system with Qmail 1.03.  Everything has been working

> using the init scripts, and tried restarting. On restart, I get this error:
> Starting mail-transfer agent: qmail./qmail: xrealloc: cannot reallocate 512
> bytes (0 bytes allocated)

> Does anyone have any ideas as to what could be causing that
> error?

There's some ulimit setting in the init script. I vaguely remember having to
tweak them once. Check out the debian bugs archive.

Luck,

-- 
Joost

questions about qmail

[emailsys]

hi,
   I need your help:
I had success make freebsd+qmail+vpopmail, but once I want to 
use mysql to do user  authentication, the user that created by ./vadduser 
can not login on swebmail,why?
It seems that sqwebmail has MySQL 
authentication modules, how to set up and install it?
thank you very much!

RE: Forwarding

[Greg Owen]

> How do I forward all mail recieved by a user to a user on a 
> different host.
> I have looked at the forward command but this does not seem 
> to do the trick.
> Could someone point me in the direction of some documentation 
> on the forward command if this is the correct one. 

Read 'man dot-qmail', specifically the part that begins:

]   (3)  A forward line begins with an ampersand:
]
] &[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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***APOLOGY: Please disregard my previous posting ie FORWARDING.***

[Louis Mushandu]

I had

Forwarding

[Louis Mushandu]

Dear All,

How do I forward all mail recieved by a user to a user on a different host.
I have looked at the forward command but this does not seem to do the trick.
Could someone point me in the direction of some documentation on the forward
command if this is the correct one. 

Thanks

Re: feel like flamed or stupified?

[Mate Wierdl]

I am not sure there is a need to send further receipes for getting the
offending addresses from the From: field.

The point is that there are simple ways to avoid flames and friends,
and those who do not use them are obviously are there to---flame.

Mate

Re: feel like flamed or stupified?

[Robin S. Socha]

* Jamin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mate Wierdl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

>> This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
>> message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be
>> ignored.

> It doesn't however do anything about their messages getting quoted by
> other users.

Use $MAILFILTER[1] to score/kill based on References, Message-ID, and
Xref. Then take $LART with maximum $DAMAGE and finish everything in
sight that does not or only incorrectly include these headers.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Quick maildrop recipe for that, anyone?
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

Re: Bye

[Jon Rust]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:58:54PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
> tolerance improves dramatically.
> 
> Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
> 
> -Dave

Arg, that sucks. Sorry to see you go, Dave. REALLY sorry to see a few
pricks ruin it for the rest of us who appreciate your help.

Thanks for the help you've given to the list in the past. Polite,
accurate, non-flaming help I might add. Hope to see you back some day,
that is if I survive the crap.

jon

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[QBA]

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:00:32PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
> 
> `ps aux | grep qmail`, if you see qmail-smtpd it is running, otherwise not. 
> (note: if you run qmail.smtp from inetd use Jamin's method). 
> Using inetd at all, but especially for qmail, is no good idea IMHO, your 
> mileage may vary.
> 

I've just finished reading 'faq' and 'install' files that are included 
to qmail tarball. And there is one strange (or even two) thing about
qmail-smtpd that I can't understand. Namely I did everything just as it 
stands in 'install' file (espacially about setting up qmail-smtpd -
step 16th) and it looks that it doesn't work because I got a message:
'Sorry,_I wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection.' when was trying
to send a test message from my host to my host. (it was before I've added
qbaroot.dyndns.org to my /qmail/control/locals but it shouldn't be a problem)
The second thing is this message from Dave Sill about 'telnet 0 25'.
As you know I did it too (see my reply to his msg) and it looks to me 
that I have smtpd running (port 25 is being used by smtp).
So what is going on here? Is qmail-smtpd running on my linux or not?
And one more thing - Henning Brauer wrote that using inetd is not to good idea.
Can anyone tell me why?
Thanks for all tips,

QBA

Re: 1.04---not

[Mark Delany]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:23:44PM -0800, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:28:12 +
>From: "Mark Delany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
>that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
>each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
>time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
>contents would bug a lot of people.
> 
> I would indeed hate that, but it is not implied by the IM2000
> architecture.

Indeed.

> People like us would run programs which would receive
> the notification and would automatically retrieve the message onto our
> local system before notifying us that there was mail.

So unless the "debit unknown senders" problem is solved, it does
nothing for spam. Pity.


Regards.

Re: 1.04---not

[Mark Delany]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 02:29:04PM -0500, Lipscomb, Al wrote:

> I would think that it would work something like this:
> 
> 1) A dial in user (for example) would transfer a message to a well connected
> server at their ISP. The ISP would provide the disk space used to store the
> message. 
...
> 
> 5) The sending server would resend notifications until a time limit expired.

It wasn't so much the notification I was talking about, it was the
content. I was assuming that the recipient of a notification makes a
conscious decision whether or not to fetch the email. Thus the delay.

If that assumption is incorrect then I don't see a delay problem. As
Ian said in another mail, the user experience is not dissimilar to the
current POP experience.


Regards.

RE: feel like flamed or stupified?

[Jamin Collins]

Mate Wierdl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
> message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be ignored.

It doesn't however do anything about their messages getting quoted by other
users.

Jamin W. Collins

RE: AntiVirus!

[Lipscomb, Al]

>> 
> Don't know if this is a urban legend or if it really exists, but a
> friend told me about a ZIP file called  42.ZIP  (maybe because it is
> 42 KB in size) which - as I heard - is currently floating around. This
> is not a virus but a DoS attack against virus scanners.
> 
> If you unzip this ZIP you will get another 10 ZIPs. Each of this again
> contains 10 ZIPs ... until you end up with 10**6 ZIP files. Each of
> these ZIP files contains a file that is about 40 MegByte uncompressed.
> 

There was a known DOS attack against some of these filter programs by
sending an empty .zip file. The filter would look inside the file, find
nothing and hang. 

check www.vmyths.com for legends and myths.

feel like flamed or stupified?

[Mate Wierdl]

In case you do not like certain people's postings to this list because
they are offensive to you (too trivial questions, too abusive
language), you can do the following steps

1) Look at the From: field of the person.  In my case, it is usually
   (not now) is 

From: Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

2) Put, in your ~/.qmail file,

| if [ "`822field from`" = " Mate Wierdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" ]; then exit 99; 
|fi
./Mailbox

This has the added benefit that if the person not only sends his
message to the list but to you as well, both messages will be ignored.

You need to get Dan's mess822 package.  You can find an rpm at

ftp://moni.msci.memphis.edu/pub/qmail/qmail-addons/

Mate

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[James Browning]

on 12/1/00 13:29, QBA at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> I also typed 'telnet 0 25' and here is what I got:
> Trying 0.0.0.0...
> Connected to 0.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 qbaroot.dyndns.org ESMTP
> 'help'
> 214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
> 'quit'
> 221 qbaroot.dyndns.org
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> So it looks similiar to yours but I don't understand what I did.
> What all these messages can tell me about my qmail?
> Thanks for help,

They tell you you're connected to the smtp server on port 25 and that help
can be found at the qmail home page.

--jtb 

Re: 1.04---not

[Ian Lance Taylor]

   Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:28:12 +
   From: "Mark Delany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
   that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
   each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
   time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
   contents would bug a lot of people.

I would indeed hate that, but it is not implied by the IM2000
architecture.  People like us would run programs which would receive
the notification and would automatically retrieve the message onto our
local system before notifying us that there was mail.

Many people today already spend a second each time they read e-mail,
because they use POP or IMAP to download their mail from some possibly
remote system.  It's true that the connection to the POP or IMAP
server is more under their control than the connection to some random
other server.  But it's still a slowdown that I, for one, find
intolerable, so I arrange for my mail to be automatically sent to my
laptop.

   In short the technology is an interesting solution but I wonder
   whether the cost/benefit will be as apparent to the general consumer
   as the degraded user experience?

The user experience of e-mail for most non-technical users is fairly
bad.  People will put up with a great deal.

In practice, if IM2000 is ever implemented, I expect that most
organizations would arrange to automatically download messages to a
stable site under their own control.  This is still a benefit overall,
as it shifts responsibility for reliable delivery to the person who
really cares about it.

Ian

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Sean Truman]

No mean to start a Flame but!

A) Web based being a security threat! You have to be kidding right?
Ever hear of SSL.
B) mysql being unreliable and unstable for use. WRONG again. There are
several! Have a look for yourself.
http://www.mysql.com/information/users.html. I will mention YAHOO!

And please just because you are having a bad day. Don't express it to the
people on this list. It is list courtesy.

Sean
- Original Message -
From: "Felix von Leitner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail


> Thus spake Wesley Wannemacher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > To get everything running I used the following packages to
> > get everything running:
> > qmail-src
> > courier-imap
> > apache-php3
> > horde
> > imp
> > mysql-server
>
> horde is completely superfluous.
>
> If you run a web based email service, then security is obviously not
> important to you.  You can as well run sendmail.
>
> If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
> to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.
>
> Felix

Re: AntiVirus!

[Markus Stumpf]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 02:24:03PM -0500, Jerry Keene wrote:
> very useful for filtering out e-mail viruses

Don't know if this is a urban legend or if it really exists, but a
friend told me about a ZIP file called  42.ZIP  (maybe because it is
42 KB in size) which - as I heard - is currently floating around. This
is not a virus but a DoS attack against virus scanners.

If you unzip this ZIP you will get another 10 ZIPs. Each of this again
contains 10 ZIPs ... until you end up with 10**6 ZIP files. Each of
these ZIP files contains a file that is about 40 MegByte uncompressed.

I think it will take considerable time, disk space and CPU power to "check"
this 42.ZIP ...

Can anyone confirm that this indeed exists (or is an urban legend)?

\Maex

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Re: secrets and lies

[Ian Lance Taylor]

   Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 12:52:33 -0600
   From: "David L. Nicol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
   > 
   >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:34:59 -0800
   >From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   > 
   >I can't see any circumstances where any of Dan's sofware can be deemed
   >closed source.
   > 
   > It is not the case that all software is either open source or closed
   > source.  There is a broad continuum of licensing possibilities.
   > 
   > I already mentioned an important freedom which Dan does not permit.
   > The lack of that freedom means that Dan's software is not open source.
   > Saying that Dan's software is not open source does not mean that it is
   > closed source.  Dan's software is almost open source, it just isn't
   > quite all the way there.
   > 
   > Ian

   http://courier.sourceforge.net/ appears to be a GPL'd qmail clone, more or
   less.  Why not use it instead, you want a GPL MTA?

Huh?

I was correcting what I perceive as a vocabulary problem: Greg White
seems to want to use the term ``open source'' in a way which is
slightly but significantly different from the way it was originally
defined, and different from the way that other people use it.  Using
the same term with different meanings can only lead to confusion, so I
think it's worth some effort to ensure that everybody understands and
agrees on the meaning.

I said nothing about the GPL, and I said nothing about wanting a
different MTA.  If you happen to know my work (not that there is any
particular reason that you would), then my support for the GPL and the
FSF is fairly clear, but I feel that arguing the merits of various
licensing approaches would be inappropriate on the qmail mailing list.

I do think that arguing the merits of Dan's unique licensing approach
is on topic for the qmail list.  However, in the message to which you
are replying, I was not talking about the merits of any licensing
approach at all.

I apologize for the overly-lengthy reply, but since you already
misunderstood me once, I want to try to preemptively avoid further
misunderstanding.

Ian

RE: AntiVirus!

[Lipscomb, Al]

> Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general 
> anti-virii programs 
> running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.
> 

Check out http://www.vmyths.com

A lot of the most "deadly" attacks could have been stopped dead with simple
processes that looked for methods and not specific "signatures".

A simple example would be to look for extensions that indicate executable
status in the Windows world and hold them for examination. You would have
stopped "I Love You" and whatever the latest nonsense that started last
night is, without having to wait for an updated "signature" file.

Re: AntiVirus!

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Jerry Keene ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general anti-virii programs
> running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.

Please email yourself an email with http://www.fefe.de/antivirus/42.zip
as attachment.  Either your antivirus is thorough and DoSses your server
(which makes it worthless) or it is misses virii and is worthless
because of that.

> If you decide to use this or a similar approach, you need to make 
> sure that a cron job runs to periodically update the ant-virus .dat 
> files from your scan engine's website.  Otherwise your database of 
> antiviral signatures gets obsolete.

Signature based detection can never catch current virii.
You are victim of used car salespeople selling you snake oil.

Felix

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[James Browning]

on 12/1/00 13:18, QBA at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I did 'ps -aux | grep qmail-smtpd' and got no message so I don't have it
> running. And that's why I have two more questions:
> 1. What means this line (about qmail) in my /etc/inetd.conf ? (I wrote it
> in my earlier message)

Include the line anyway. Must I search for it?

> 2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?
> Thanks for your help,

Ahhh... So basically what you're saying is you don't have a clue about
inetd. You might want to look at the man page for it-- that way you won't
have any questions.

--jtb

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake asantos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I find MySQL to be reliable and stable.

Good luck to you, then.
You will need it.

> I only keep logs for 6 months, so in
> the last 6 months I've had MySQL 3.22.23 running for vpopmail-3.4.11-2 over
> qmail-1.03+ezmlm-0.53, managing more than 260 virtual domains (about 500
> Maildirs, many of which are "catch-all" accounts for a single domain), with
> a overall trafic of more than 85000 messages a month, of which roughly 90%
> are incoming. Not a single failure in the above software. That's on Linux
> 2.2.14 SMP.

> Is this the cue for "profile, don't speculate"?

If your servers never crash and you never have unexpected hardware
failures, mysql may be for you.

Mysql users are consistently being bitten by data loss when one of their
servers crashes.  Mysql is notorious for being "SQL for kids", i.e. fine
for playing around but not for production use.  Use an SQL database that
offers transactional integrity instead.

Mysql recently added transactional integrity by integrating Berkeley DB,
which is the single database that caused the most data loss on all of my
machines combined.  I would never use anything relying on Berkeley DB
ever again.  You just need to look at their source code to see what I
mean.

But in the end, the choice is yours.  But don't whine when you use Mysql
and lose all your data eventually.  Keep good and current backups.  If
your data are read-only, then Mysql may even be a prudent choice.

Felix

Re: 1.04---not

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Mark Delany ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> > Several people have.
> > But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> > uses it.
> Shades of the question I used to get when installing a web server:
> "Why would you bother until a noticable part of Internet uses it?"

> Lucky I ignored them huh?

Even if you use it, you don't get any noticeable advantage from it,
because to the user email works the same over SMTP and QMTP.

Use what you want, but if you ask me for my opinion, you get my opinion.
I don't use mxps because the possible advantage is too small.

Felix

Re: Bye

[Peter Cavender]

>I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
>tolerance improves dramatically.
>
>Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
>
>-Dave

I am sorry to see you go, Dave, you have been a great help to myself 
and countless others.

Even though some of the newbie questions make me cringe, the level of 
rudeness and abuse others inject is totally unacceptable.

Why do some of you have to act so macho, trying to prove how smart 
you are?  Do you yourselves not come to this list for help, or are 
you just lurking sadists who wait for some under-informed soul to 
make a sincere request for information, so that you can pounce at the 
opportunity to belittle?  Every one of you (except djb) have at one 
time known less about qmail than these new people.

If members of this list really want to promote a program we believe 
in and help others get up to speed wit it, manners and consideration 
are in order.

I hope the fact that you have just caused the vacationing of one of 
the most informed aaand helpful members of this list will give you 
all pause.

--Pete Cavender

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[Mads E Eilertsen]

> 2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?

There are several ways to start qmail-smtpd. One is to use inetd.
The other way, which is recommended by the author, is to use tcpserver.
See http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/servers.html#tcpserver-smtpd

Mads

Re: Bye

[Anton Pirnat]

sorry to hear that, and i complete do understand and agree with you. It is a
childish behaviour and should stop asap. We are no kids, and should respect
others as they are. All of us started as a newbie this way or another.

I hope the wave is gone soon and we all can go back helping others.

hope to hear you soon again..

best regards

Anton Pirnat

btw.. now, if i don´ t watch my englisch non-native grammar and i don´ t
watch the quoting laws and i have a way-to-long footer as i am of course
off topic now ;) You ever heard about someone who tried to translate your LWQ
to german? If not, so maybe i´ ll get some time off to do so til (oops a
slangy typo) the end of the year. Just let me know..



Am Fre, 01 Dez 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
> I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
> tolerance improves dramatically.
> 
> Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.
> 
> -Dave
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RE: 1.04---not

[Lipscomb, Al]

> 
> I guess that depends on whether you think that im2000 is something
> likely to be achieve in that year or that century... There are a
> number of hurdles to surmount - in particular the issue of
> notification. It strikes me that notification has the same issues that
> email currently does - one party has to send something to an uncertain
> address and the other party has to accept something from an uncertain
> sender.
> 

I would think that it would work something like this:

1) A dial in user (for example) would transfer a message to a well connected
server at their ISP. The ISP would provide the disk space used to store the
message. 

2) The server would then send a packet to each MX host listed for the
destination(s) of the message.

3) Each MX server could do one of several things when notified:

If the MX server was the best server for the destination it would handle the
processing. If the destination was a dial in user it could cache the
notification until the account was active and asked about mail. The account
holder could defer action, transfer the message directly to their mailbox,
request the message be moved to the destinations server or reqest that the
remote message be rejected. Most of this could be done with just one packet
being sent to the destination. Users with expensive connectivity would see
less noise.

4) If the MX server was not the best choice it could determine the status of
the best MX and act as required. In most cases just caching the notification
until the primary became available.

5) The sending server would resend notifications until a time limit expired.

This kind of arrangement could store and forward data with strong
encryption. I would not have to have a key for you. I would have a key for
my ISP, my ISP would have a key for your ISP and your ISP would have a key
for you.   
 

IsoQlog 1.3.1 released some Bugs fixed

[Ismail YENIGUL]

hii

two days before i  sent mail about  IsoQlog 1.3 (qmail log
analyzer)version
i find two bugs about date
(http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~yenigul/ChangeLog)
if you download earliler version you must  downlaoad again. :((.

IsoQlog defination:

Isoqlog is an qmail log analysis program written in perl .
it designed to scan qmail logfile and produce usage statistics in HTML
format. for viewing through a browser. It produces Top domains
output according to Incoming , Outgoing , total mails and, it keeps
your main domain mail statistics for per day and per month .
Actually only output design is stolen from webalizer log program ,
nothing else taken from it.if you can use webalizer before, you can
wonder :))
It can be translated another languge easily by changing 15 line in
language config file

you can get it from
http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~yenigul

please send mail to me .if you hit a bug.!
thanx
Ismail YENIGUL

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[QBA]

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:46:23PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote:
> 
> >How can I check if I have qmail-smtpd enabled on my host?
> 
> $ telnet 0 25
> Trying 0.0.0.0...
> Connected to 0.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS ESMTP
> help
> 214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
> quit
> 221 sws5.ctd.ornl.gov ORNL/WS
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> $ 
> 
> -Dave

Hi,
I also typed 'telnet 0 25' and here is what I got:
Trying 0.0.0.0...
Connected to 0.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 qbaroot.dyndns.org ESMTP
'help'
214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
'quit'
221 qbaroot.dyndns.org
Connection closed by foreign host.
So it looks similiar to yours but I don't understand what I did.
What all these messages can tell me about my qmail?
Thanks for help,

QBA

Re: AntiVirus!

[Jerry Keene]

Like Felix I'm skeptical about the value of general anti-virii programs 
running as gatekeepers on Linux servers.

However, I have found AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner; 
http://amavis.org ) very useful for filtering out e-mail viruses, a very 
annoying and prominant subgroup of viruses.

AMaVis works with qmail but requires a separate anti-virus scan 
engine to work in conjunction with it.  It supports a number of such 
scan engines.  For example, I use McAfee's VShield 4.x scan 
engine under a corporate license.

My enterprise also uses PC-based and Novell-server based anti-
virus software but these have the disadvantage of needing to be 
properly configured, and the weakest link in this kind of distributed 
defense would be the handful of PCs or servers that had a 
misconfiguration.

With AMaViS at the pass, there's the ability to passively run e-mail 
virus filters as every single e-mail comes in.

If you decide to use this or a similar approach, you need to make 
sure that a cron job runs to periodically update the ant-virus .dat 
files from your scan engine's website.  Otherwise your database of 
antiviral signatures gets obsolete.

//jrkeene

> Thus spake Visar Emini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking
> > on installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any
> > suggestions about this issue?!
> 
> Forget it.
> Anti virii don't work.
> They also introduce new security problems.
> 
> Felix
> 
> 



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Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[asantos]

From: Felix von Leitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
>to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.
>
>Felix


I find MySQL to be reliable and stable. I only keep logs for 6 months, so in
the last 6 months I've had MySQL 3.22.23 running for vpopmail-3.4.11-2 over
qmail-1.03+ezmlm-0.53, managing more than 260 virtual domains (about 500
Maildirs, many of which are "catch-all" accounts for a single domain), with
a overall trafic of more than 85000 messages a month, of which roughly 90%
are incoming. Not a single failure in the above software. That's on Linux
2.2.14 SMP.

Is this the cue for "profile, don't speculate"?

Armando

Re: 1.04---not

[Mark Delany]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:50:13PM +0100, Felix von Leitner wrote:
> > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> 
> Several people have.
> But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> uses it.

Shades of the question I used to get when installing a web server:
"Why would you bother until a noticable part of Internet uses it?"

Lucky I ignored them huh?


Regards.

Re: 1.04---not

[David L. Nicol]

Felix von Leitner wrote:

> > At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:
> 
> > http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
> 
> Several people have.
> But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
> uses it.
> 
> Felix

What is the advantage of MXPS over SMTP options?  It seems like
the SMTP option framework is flexible enough to do anything with,
for instance encryption or compression, within the confines of your
connection.



-- 
   David Nicol 816.235.1187 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just when you think you're finally safe, the poets reappear

Re: why didn't it send my msg?

[QBA]

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:00:32PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
> `ps aux | grep qmail`, if you see qmail-smtpd it is running, otherwise not. 
> (note: if you run qmail.smtp from inetd use Jamin's method). 
> Using inetd at all, but especially for qmail, is no good idea IMHO, your 
> mileage may vary.
 
I did 'ps -aux | grep qmail-smtpd' and got no message so I don't have it
running. And that's why I have two more questions:
1. What means this line (about qmail) in my /etc/inetd.conf ? (I wrote it
in my earlier message)
2. How can I enable qmail-smtpd? What is the best way to do it?
Thanks for your help,

QBA

Bye

[Dave Sill]

I'm taking a vacation from this list until the level of newbie
tolerance improves dramatically.

Sorry, I just can't take it any longer.

-Dave

Re: secrets and lies

[David L. Nicol]

Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> 
>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:34:59 -0800
>From: Greg White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>I can't see any circumstances where any of Dan's sofware can be deemed
>closed source.
> 
> It is not the case that all software is either open source or closed
> source.  There is a broad continuum of licensing possibilities.
> 
> I already mentioned an important freedom which Dan does not permit.
> The lack of that freedom means that Dan's software is not open source.
> Saying that Dan's software is not open source does not mean that it is
> closed source.  Dan's software is almost open source, it just isn't
> quite all the way there.
> 
> Ian


http://courier.sourceforge.net/ appears to be a GPL'd qmail clone, more or
less.  Why not use it instead, you want a GPL MTA?



-- 
   David Nicol 816.235.1187 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just when you think you're finally safe, the poets reappear

Re: 1.04---not

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Mate Wierdl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I just read

> http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html

> The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
> write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.

Why do you say that?
This does not look demoralizing at all to me.

> In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
> qmail-2.00) has not come out.  Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
> the next 6 months.

Who said that im2000 has anything to do with qmail?

> At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:

> http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt

Several people have.
But it is not worth the bother until a noticable part of the Internet
uses it.

Felix

Re: AntiVirus!

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Visar Emini ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
> installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
> about this issue?!

Forget it.
Anti virii don't work.
They also introduce new security problems.

Felix

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Wesley Wannemacher ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> To get everything running I used the following packages to
> get everything running:
>   qmail-src
>   courier-imap
>   apache-php3
>   horde
>   imp
>   mysql-server

horde is completely superfluous.

If you run a web based email service, then security is obviously not
important to you.  You can as well run sendmail.

If you run mysqsl, stability and reliability are obviously not important
to you. You should be running sendmail, Postfix or Exim.

Felix

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Felix von Leitner]

> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only.  What is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box.  I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.

If you don't know that, you should not be running any MTA.
If you can't find that out yourself, you should not be running any server.
No, not even a Quake server.

Hire someone who knows what he is doing and get him to do it for you.

Felix

Re: Internal Spam

[Felix von Leitner]

> When I do that, Qmail can't send and log::
> Failure: I_(qmail-remote)_was_invoked_improperly._(#5.3.5)/ 

 1. learn how to quote
 2. if you change stuff without understanding it, and that results in
problems for you, tough luck.

Read the fucking man page for qmail-remote.  It clearly states
everything you need to know.

Felix

Re: Flaming newbie's makes no sense

[Felix von Leitner]

Thus spake Jamin Collins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >   I write good software.
> >   Others help me.
> >   The software gets better.
> This is a very selfish view.  Based on these statements, you only care about
> software in so much as you can gain from it.  This is a key difference
> between you and I.

Jamin, please stop posting drivel.  Thanks.

Nothing about this view is selfish.
The only thing that is important is whether in the end the software is
good or not.

> >   I write good software.
> >   Millions of brain-dead lusers ask dumb questions.
> >   I get discouraged and stop supporting my product.
> >   Some newbie takes over the project and the quality goes 
> > down the drain.
> Are you trying to say that only you can write quality software, or that no
> one can match your quality?

Jamin, please stop posting drivel.  Thanks.

Felix

Re: 1.04---not

[Mark Delany]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:52:37AM -0600, Mate Wierdl wrote:
> I just read
> 
> http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html
> 
> The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
> write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.

I guess that depends on whether you think that im2000 is something
likely to be achieve in that year or that century... There are a
number of hurdles to surmount - in particular the issue of
notification. It strikes me that notification has the same issues that
email currently does - one party has to send something to an uncertain
address and the other party has to accept something from an uncertain
sender.

Another issue for my money is that of the lost of instantaneousness
that would result in having to (effectively) retrieve a web page for
each email you read. It sounds silly, but adding a mere second to the
time it takes to pull up an email once you've decided to read the
contents would bug a lot of people.

There is also the issue that retrieving the email may depend on
multiple network and server vageries. Having a mail "so near, yet so
far" would likewise bug me.

Even in 100 years you'll still be 100+ms and multiple routers from the
other side of the planet and what about email generated on the moon?

In short the technology is an interesting solution but I wonder
whether the cost/benefit will be as apparent to the general consumer
as the degraded user experience?


> In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
> qmail-2.00) has not come out.  Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
> the next 6 months.

If you believe the im2000 page, why not similarly believe the "future
of qmail" page?


Regards.

1.04---not

[Mate Wierdl]

I just read

http://cr.yp.to/im2000.html

The ideas there seem extremely demoralizing for somebody trying to
write an MTA for the traditional mail infrastructure.

In particular, it seems understandable why qmail-1.04 (not to mention
qmail-2.00) has not come out.  Maybe it never will---and I bet not in
the next 6 months.

At least: has anybody thought about implementing MXPS:

http://cr.yp.to/proto/mxps.txt
 
Mate

RE: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????

[Hubbard, David]

I'd like to know how you used the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test address anyway?  The IP addresses you gave are non-routable
private addresses so there is no way the crynwr.com test machine
could have connected to your server in the first place.  The
rblsmtpd only blocks spam based on the connecting mail server's
IP address, not by the "from" address or anything else.  If your
qmail box running rblsmtpd is on a private network and some
device is proxying or tunnelling or smtp relaying the incoming
external mail to your box, rblsmtpd will be useless, it needs to
be running on your external mail gateway.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:13 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS


I'm asking the following several time the following
questionNO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?


I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail

server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with differents
MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first sub-network to
go internet.

I have no clue on causes of this problem.
Can you explain me what is wrong?, there is another thing to do in
addition to to installation of rblsmptd?

Re: AntiVirus!

[Robin S. Socha]

* Visar Emini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking
> on installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any
> suggestions about this issue?!

http://qmail.org/ - how many seconds did you search the archives? 
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

Re: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????

[Henning Brauer]

Am Freitag,  1. Dezember 2000 18:13 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> questionNO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.

You may wan't to check http://www.qmail.org/top.html#paidsup . There you can 
whine if nobody helps you, there you can be rude if nobody answers.
If nobody answers, it makes really no sense to whine and post again.
There will be a reason why nobody answered.
a) nobody knows the answer
b) we got the impression that you haven't read the docs / havent spent enough 
effort to solve the problem yourself / you are rude / you haven't thought 
about what infos we would need and provided them.


-- 

Henning Brauer |  BS Web Services
Hostmaster BSWS|  Roedingsmarkt 14
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |  20459 Hamburg
www.bsws.de|  Germany

Re: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????

[Aaron L. Meehan]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I'm asking the following several time the following
> questionNO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
> Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?

Allright, I'm _not_ going to touch that.. but tempting.

> I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  my RBL is working.
> Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
> having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail

OK, it seems that English is not your native language.  No problem,
but please try to rewrite your question above.  I'm afraid it is not
making any sense to me.  Tell us _exactly_ what is happening as best
as you can.

Aaron

Re: I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????

[David Dyer-Bennet]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 1 December 2000 at 
18:13:03 +0100
 > I'm asking the following several time the following
 > questionNO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
 > Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?

Sure, lots of us are.  I've always found it installs easily and
without any trouble.

 > Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.* having it's
 > MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail
 > server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with
 > differents MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first
 > sub-network to go internet.

Dunno about anybody else; but I read this the first time, read it
again, couldn't figure it out, and moved on.  It sounds like perhaps
you have routing problems in your network, rather than actual
qmail/rblsmtpd problems.
-- 
David Dyer-Bennet  /  Welcome to the future!  /  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SF: http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b/  Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon/
Photos: http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/

I'm SO AFRAID!!, NO BODY KNOW RBLSMTPD WORKS????

[ouldm]

I'm asking the following several time the following
questionNO RESPONSE NO RESPONSE.
Is there is really somebody already using rblsmtpd?


I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in my sub-network (10.1.7.*
having it's MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my mail

server. The sub-network of my mail server is 10.1.6.* with differents
MAC, DNS, but using the same local router with the first sub-network to
go internet.

I have no clue on causes of this problem.
Can you explain me what is wrong?, there is another thing to do in
addition to to installation of rblsmptd?

Re: AntiVirus!

[Eric Garff]

Visar Emini wrote:

> Hi everybody...
>
> I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
> installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
> about this issue?!
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> V.

Before you get flamed by everyone for asking a "obvious" question, here is a
link that will help you in your
search: http://www.qmail.org/top.html#microsoft

--
Eric Garff
MyComputer.com System Admin
Our Tools.  Your Site.

Just remember, if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
--

Re: freebsd+qmail+vpopmail+mysql»·¾³

[Milen Petrinski]

Is this Arabic language? How should we read 
this?

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AntiVirus!

[Visar Emini]

Hi everybody...

I have qmail & vpopmail running on Linux machine and I was thinking on
installing an antivirus on my mailserver, does anyone have any suggestions
about this issue?!

Thanks for your time

V.

unsuscribe

[Angel Krustev]

freebsd+qmail+vpopmail+mysql环境

[emailsys]

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./configure --enable-roaming-users --enable-hardquota=5242880 
--enable-mysql=y --enable-sqlincdir=/usr/local/include/mysql 
--enable-sqllibdir=/usr/local/lib/mysql --enable-logging=y 
--enable-large-site=y
make
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RE: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Wesley Wannemacher]

I built a qmail/web-based email server here using debian. 
The system is as follows:
P5 133
128M RAM
9 Gig SCSI HD

To get everything running I used the following packages to
get everything running:
qmail-src
courier-imap
apache-php3
horde
imp
mysql-server

First install qmail and configure appropriately, then the other
packages will work with minimal configuration.

I like to avoid redhat (my preference). Debian is a cleaner
distro especially for building servers. 

Wesley A. Wannemacher
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instructor, Network Administrator
University of Northwestern Ohio
http://www.unoh.edu

> * Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:
> 
> >> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run 
> qmail only.
> >> What is the most minimum package that I need to install 
> from Red Hat
> >> 7.0 
> 
> Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
> Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27 
> X-Servers and
> 4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
> liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.

> 
> >> to be able to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary 
> services/daemons
> >> running on that box.  
> 

Re: [SOLUTION] Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing

[Peter Samuel]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> ok, i found the answer.
> 
> it is indeed Netscape that is being bad, not qmail.
> 
> the solution is to add the following line to the
> preferences.js file:
> 
> user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true);

Excellent. Thanks for that.

-- 
Regards
Peter
--
Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.e-smith.org (development)http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
Phone: +1 613 368 4398  Fax: +1 613 564 7739
e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada

"If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Charles Cazabon]

Scott D. Yelich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Was the issue about an MX pointing to a CNAME ever resolved?

Yes; it's verboten.  If you do it, don't expect to receive 100% of the mail
people try to send to you.

Also; please start a new thread when posting a new question; your message
showed up in the middle of the "Newbies -- fried, or flame-broiled?" thread.

Charles
-- 
---
Charles Cazabon<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GPL'ed software available at:  http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/
Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions.
---

Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing

[Peter Samuel]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, montgomery f. tidwell wrote:

> Howdy,
> 
> is it possible to have qmail just remove the offending "Sender:"
> field from all outgoing emails??

Yes. No. Maybe.

It all depends on how the message is getting to qmail. As you're using
netscape, you are sending mail from netscape to the MTA via SMTP. You
could arrange for a wrapper program around qmail-queue to strip the
header. Or you could wrap qmail-remote to do the same thing.

The better question to ask is

Is it causing you grief, and if so, how?

It isn't a qmail problem, so you might be better off using a different
MUA, or you could grab Mozilla, patch it to not use Sender: and be
happy. If it's a downstream issue, can you get the downstream side to
use a different MUA?

-- 
Regards
Peter
--
Peter Samuel[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.e-smith.org (development)http://www.e-smith.com (corporate)
Phone: +1 613 368 4398  Fax: +1 613 564 7739
e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada

"If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"

RE: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Jamin Collins]

Robin S. Socha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
> Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27 X-Servers and
> 4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
> liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.

RedHat doesn't install GNOME or even X if you choose a server install.

Here is the relavent section of RedHat/base/comps on RH7:

0 --hide Server {
  @ Mail/WWW/News Tools
  @ Web Server
  @ Anonymous FTP Server
  @ Printer Support
  @ Networked Workstation
  @ Dialup Workstation
  @ Network Server
  @ Network Management Workstation
  @ Emacs
  @ Development
  @ Utilities
}

0 --hide Workstation Common {
  @ Printer Support
  @ X Window System
  @ Mail/WWW/News Tools
  @ DOS/Windows Connectivity
  @ Utilities
  @ Graphics Manipulation
  @ Multimedia Support
  @ Networked Workstation
  @ Dialup Workstation
  @ Authoring/Publishing
  @ Emacs
  @ Development
}

As you can see X is only installed under the Workstation install.

Jamin W. Collins

Re: Internal Spam

[rmiranda]

When I do that, Qmail can't send and log::
Failure: I_(qmail-remote)_was_invoked_improperly._(#5.3.5)/ 



On 1 Dec 2000, at 0:15, Butch Evans wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > 2. create a file named "qmail-remote" with:
> > /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
> 
> shouldn't that file contain:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
> 
> 
> or at least (on one line):
> 
> /usr/bin/perl /var/bin/qmail/adbait.pl |
> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-remote.real "$*"
> 
> 
> -- 
> Butch Evans
> Shelton Internet
> Network Admin



att,

ronaldo miranda
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(37) 3222-8870 (37) 9963-8241

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Robin S. Socha]

* Peter Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:

>> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only.
>> What is the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat
>> 7.0 

Why DeadRat? For a server, I'd go for a leaner distribution like
Slackware or Debian (i.e. one that won't install GNOME, 27 X-Servers and
4 RDBMs if you click "Server install"). Also, apply the following
liberally: LIDS: http://www.lids.org/.

Personally, I'd not go for Linux at all but rather for OpenBSD. But
that's another story.

>> to be able to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons
>> running on that box.  

Then choose "expert" in the install screen and only install what you
need. Afterwards, weed /etc/xinetd.conf /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/.

>> I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
>> qmail.

Webservers? Yummie... Good luck...

> We don't worry so much about what is installed as what is being
> actively run. Do your install, ``chkconfig --del'' *all* network
> services (including inetd), 

Small aside: ever seen a virgin OpenBSD install? Nice contrast.

[...]

> Above all, go check out  and read about
> other security measures. Read about Trinity-OS (search Google for
> ``trinity''?).

Bastille Linux is another good search-phrase.
-- 
Robin S. Socha 

Re: lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list

[Michael Maier]

> What is so funny is that one of the people who was at the heart of this gave a
> reason of haveing to pay for each message download. Well at least now I have
> my $0.02 worth in :)

rofl, you pay for Traffic? You must have been from Yesterday! ;-))

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Re: lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list

[Al Lipscomb]

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:15:27AM +0100, Cyril Bitterich wrote:
> I second that.
> 
> We are now at 114 messages about that one subject on this little list

What is so funny is that one of the people who was at the heart of this gave a  
reason of haveing to pay for each message download. Well at least now I have
my $0.02 worth in :)

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Peter Green]

* Andrew Buenaventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001130 22:59]:
> I am going to setup a dedicated linux box that will run qmail only.  What is
> the most minimum package that I need to install from Red Hat 7.0 to be able
> to run Qmail? I do not want unnecessary services/daemons running on that
> box.  I will also be installing the web based email package that runs on
> qmail.  

We don't worry so much about what is installed as what is being actively
run. Do your install, ``chkconfig --del'' *all* network services (including
inetd), install SSH for maintenance, install qmail. At that point, your
machine is only listening on ports 22 and 25. Oh, and don't allow any shell
users; avoid /etc/passwd entries if possible (use virtual domains and users
for qmail).

Above all, go check out  and read about other
security measures. Read about Trinity-OS (search Google for ``trinity''?).

Good luck!

/pg
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Re: more than 65535 accounts on one mail server

[Jenny Holmberg]

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I admin quite a large mail server that is currently running
> sendmail/qpopper, it has about 6 accounts on it currently.  I know
> that UNIX has a limit on the UID's of 65534, any file that has a UID
> higher than that number defaults back to UID0..

That has been the case in the past, but a reasonably recent Solaris
(say after 2.6, I think, and I can't answer for HPUX or AIX or any of
the free version) has a very much higher limit:

gruk:/home/jch>grep MAXUID /usr/include/sys/param.h 
#define MAXUID  2147483647  /* max user id */

If you have the chance to upgrade to an OS that supports more UIDS, I
would definitely suggest that.

That said, you'll still run into problems if your /etc/passwd grows
very big - but in our case, we were quite OK until it approached a
million entries, after which the qmail servers started getting
horrendous loads every time we updated passwd.


-- 
"I live in the heart of the machine. We are one." 

Information!

[Cleiton L. Siqueira]

Hi all,

I have some doubts about qmail-popup. I read the man of qmail-popup
and
I saw that exist some descriptors used by qmail-popup. My doubts are
about it.
Let me see if I figured out what man page says.
Qmail-popup expects descriptor 0 from the network, sent by a client
like a
Outlook or Messenger. This descriptor 0 has the information about
username
and password. After this qmail-popup writes to the network with
descriptor 1
and calls a subprogram (checkpassword) with the same descriptor 0 and 1.
The
second part of explanation I can't understand. Who uses the the
descriptors 2 and 3?
If qmail-popup uses descriptor 0 and 1 to read and write to network
why
are there descriptors 2 and 3?
What are these descriptors in POP's USER-PASS style?
Where I can find more information about this descriptors?
I need to know this due to I'd like to make my perl program catching
this
descriptors.
I need to access this descriptor, but I don´t know how I can catch
them.

Thanks in advance.
Cleiton

qmail Digest 1 Dec 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1200

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qmail Digest 1 Dec 2000 11:00:01 - Issue 1200

Topics (messages 53148 through 53253):

Re: ezmlm warning
53148 by: Neil Grant

Re: Problems with dnscache in Linux
53149 by: Andrew Richards
53152 by: Andrew Richards
53168 by: clemensF
53187 by: Andrew Richards
53199 by: Henning Brauer

qmail and easy ~/.qmail-listname with majordormo?
53150 by: s. champ
53151 by: Jonathan McDowell

Help with setting up qmail
53153 by: Amar
53158 by: Charles Cazabon
53160 by: Amar
53161 by: Charles Cazabon
53162 by: Jamin Collins
53165 by: Amar
53248 by: Vincent Schonau

Re: List Courtesy (was  Newbie question)
53154 by: Dave Sill
53157 by: asantos
53169 by: Felix von Leitner
53172 by: Barley
53178 by: Henning Brauer
53181 by: Felix von Leitner
53185 by: Felix von Leitner
53186 by: Barley
53188 by: Dave Sill
53191 by: Aaron L. Meehan
53193 by: Felix von Leitner
53196 by: John W. Lemons III
53198 by: Henning Brauer
53200 by: kate.katewerk.com
53202 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
53204 by: David Dyer-Bennet
53205 by: David Dyer-Bennet
53209 by: Scott D. Yelich
53212 by: rmiddleton
53213 by: rmiddleton
53216 by: Robin S.Socha
53224 by: rmiddleton
53226 by: Felix von Leitner

Re: why didn't it send my msg?
53155 by: Charles Cazabon
53163 by: QBA
53164 by: QBA
53166 by: Jamin Collins
53167 by: QBA
53173 by: QBA
53175 by: Charles Cazabon
53177 by: Henning Brauer
53184 by: Dave Sill

Re: Newbie Question
53156 by: Charles Cazabon

Re: Using this list for QMail Support questions...
53159 by: Matt Brown

Limit outgoing messages
53170 by: Ari Arantes Filho
53176 by: Charles Cazabon
53249 by: Vincent Schonau

Re: Large amounts of mail
53171 by: Mark Delany

Re: QMail Support and being a newbie -- my  $ .02
53174 by: Felix von Leitner

Multilog
53179 by: Ari Arantes Filho
53182 by: Henning Brauer
53183 by: Peter Samuel
53192 by: Ari Arantes Filho

Thank you very much
53180 by: Louis Mushandu
53189 by: Alexander Jernejcic
53190 by: Dave Sill
53251 by: Anton Pirnat

quickie ?
53194 by: Barry Smoke
53214 by: Alex Pennace

how are quotes handled
53195 by: Mate Wierdl

HELL, STOP IT (was: Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question))
53197 by: Markus Stumpf
53201 by: asantos
53203 by: Barley
53206 by: Kris Kelley
53211 by: Henning Brauer
53217 by: asantos
53219 by: Horacio
53220 by: Markus Stumpf
53221 by: Henning Brauer
53223 by: Greg Owen
53227 by: Peter Green
53229 by: Felix von Leitner
53230 by: Felix von Leitner

Flaming newbie's makes no sense
53207 by: Malcolm Silberman
53208 by: Henning Brauer
53218 by: Ricardo Cerqueira
53225 by: Peter Green
53228 by: Felix von Leitner
53232 by: Jamin Collins

MXs pointing to CNAMES
53210 by: Alex Pennace

Electronic Warfare (Was: HELL, STOP IT)
53215 by: Robin S.Socha

Re: inconsistency using qmail/Spamcontrol badrcptto
53222 by: Markus Stumpf

Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53231 by: montgomery f. tidwell

lets get back to the purpose of the mailing list
53233 by: rmiddleton
53236 by: rmiddleton
53245 by: Cyril Bitterich

Please Ignore
53234 by: montgomery f. tidwell
53241 by: Andy Bradford

Relationship between the both qmail log files
53235 by: Wong, Wing-Kin
53240 by: Markus Stumpf

[SOLUTION] Re: [HELP] Domain in Sender: is missing
53237 by: montgomery f. tidwell

Internal Spam
53238 by: rmiranda.isep.com.br
53246 by: Butch Evans

Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail
53239 by: Andrew Buenaventura
53242 by: Andy Bradford
53243 by: rmiddleton
53253 by: Anton Pirnat

test
53244 by: suresh

still about quotes
53247 by: Mate Wierdl

URGENT:rblsmtpd is installed but spam continue???
53250 by: ouldm.linuxatbusiness.com

Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question) 
53252 by: Anton Pirnat

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went t

Re: Minimum OS Requirement to run Qmail

[Anton Pirnat]

you didn´ t tell what services you need besides qmail, but i guess a minimal
install (that includes the compilers) should be enough. I am not used with RH
distribution, but at FBSD, SuSE and others it did work this way for me ..

regards

Anton Pirnat

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Re: List Courtesy (was Newbie question)

[Anton Pirnat]

Just a recommendation..

Book Title: "Pragmatics of Human Communication"
Author: Paul Watzlawik a.o.
ISBN:   0393010090

and now back to work..


Anton Pirnat

Re: Thank you very much

[Anton Pirnat]

Am Don, 30 Nov 2000 schrieb Dave Sill:
> Louis Mushandu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >...cerebrally...sphincter...petulant...commensurate...intelligentsia...
> 
> Wow, Louis, you sure do use some purdy fancy words for a newbie.
> 
> -Dave


they really are fancy ones, i only knew one of them ;)

Anton Pirnat

URGENT:rblsmtpd is installed but spam continue???

[ouldm]

Hi,

I'm running rblsmtpd, according to the response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  my RBL is working.
Problem: if any machine in the local sub-network (subnetwork: 10.1.7.*
with differents MAC, DNS) bombarding me all messages are delivred to my
mail server (my sub-network is 10.1.6.* differente MAC, DNS, but using
the same loacal router with the sub-net 10.1.7.*  to go internet ) .

What is the problem?

Re: Limit outgoing messages

[Vincent Schonau]

Charles Cazabon writes:

> Ari Arantes Filho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Is it possible to limit only outgoing messages? I so databytes, but I only
> > want to limit the messages that my users send, not receive.

[...]

> Use tcpserver to set the DATABYTES variable on a per-IP basis.  Set it to
> some limit for your user's IP addresses (or localhost, if they're injecting
> via SMTP), and to 0 for the rest of the net at large.

Hm. That would work for outgoing messages via SMTP. I guess a (perl?)
wrapper around qmail-inject that looks at the size of stdin would work for
local users.


Vince.

Re: Help with setting up qmail

[Vincent Schonau]

Amar writes:

> Here is the output

[of qmail-showctl]

> qmails7389  0.0  0.3  1096  384 pts/3S02:17   0:00 qmail-send
> qmaill7390  0.0  0.3  1068  412 pts/3S02:17   0:00 splogger
> qmail
> root  7391  0.0  0.2  1056  328 pts/3S02:17   0:00 qmail-lspawn
> |pre
> qmailr7392  0.0  0.2  1056  328 pts/3S02:17   0:00 qmail-rspawn
> qmailq7393  0.0  0.2  1048  344 pts/3S02:17   0:00 qmail-clean
> root  7410  0.0  0.3  1164  420 pts/3S02:18   0:00 grep qmail

This looks like you're not running qmail-smtpd (but if you use inetd, it
wouldn't show). 

What do you have for smtp in inetd.conf? Did you HUP inetd? Does netstat
-ta show a line for smtp[1]? Can you telnet to port 25 on your machine?
What happens?

(see step 16 an 17 in the INSTALL file)

What did you do when executing the tests in TEST.receive?


Vince.