[qmailadmin] copyright notice
We received a notice of unauthorized use of an image in the mail today. The image in question is the picture of the mailbox on the qmailadmin login screen named middleleft1.png. I didn't find anyone bringing this up on the mailing list archives. Has anyone else received this notice? The notice we received was from gettyimages (http://www.gettyimages.com). They are asking for a $600 settlement. Any comments or advice? Trey Nolen !DSPAM:4d30845732717060877232!
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Quoting Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 11:13 AM, Trey Nolen wrote: We received a notice of unauthorized use of an image in the mail today. The image in question is the picture of the mailbox on the qmailadmin login screen named middleleft1.png. I didn't find anyone bringing this up on the mailing list archives. Has anyone else received this notice? The notice we received was from gettyimages (http://www.gettyimages.com). They are asking for a $600 settlement. Any comments or advice? Ignore them. They're incorrect. Who created that? gettyimages are trying to sell the image: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2language=en-USfamily=creativeassetType=imagep=%23CA27907 Image: #CA27907 Rick !DSPAM:4d30860f32711814529779!
Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice
On 1/14/2011 12:21 PM, Rick Romero wrote: Quoting Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com mailto:m...@inter7.com: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 11:13 AM, Trey Nolen wrote: We received a notice of unauthorized use of an image in the mail today. The image in question is the picture of the mailbox on the qmailadmin login screen named middleleft1.png. I didn't find anyone bringing this up on the mailing list archives. Has anyone else received this notice? The notice we received was from gettyimages (http://www.gettyimages.com). They are asking for a $600 settlement. Any comments or advice? Ignore them. They're incorrect. Who created that? gettyimages are trying to sell the image: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2language=en-USfamily=creativeassetType=imagep=%23CA27907 Image: #CA27907 First, the requisite IANAL. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? I would guess that getty is going to continue bothering the OP unless there is some sort of response indicating that he is using the image legally. Regards, -- Dave Steinberg http://www.geekisp.com/ http://www.steinbergcomputing.com/ http://www.redterror.net/ !DSPAM:4d308e9932711812379194!
Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 11:57 AM, Dave Steinberg wrote: I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? The guy who remade the templates way back when had ownership of the image. Gettyimages has some web bot that goes around looking for images they sell. Semi-automated harassment. If you're concerned about the image, open it up, paste white all over it, and be done with it. - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0wkGIACgkQIwet2/rgZyySBACdGEEF+9+bZuK9FmSj5Vfk6+f9 iiQAn3RU5zZwsdhZUbz41aXW7y8HPuVN =7VYp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice
On 01/14/2011 12:05 PM, Matt Brookings wrote: On 01/14/2011 11:57 AM, Dave Steinberg wrote: I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? The guy who remade the templates way back when had ownership of the image. Gettyimages has some web bot that goes around looking for images they sell. Semi-automated harassment. If you're concerned about the image, open it up, paste white all over it, and be done with it. I'd definitely remove the image and/or substitute it with something else, but the notice that we receive indicates that just removing the image does not absolve our responsibility to pay the fees. Do you have any proof of ownership for the image by the creator of the templates? Do you know who the creator was so that we might could make direct contact? Trey Nolen !DSPAM:4d309dab32716942481002!
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Yes it was me who wrote that blog entry. And I'm surprised that someone of Inter7 is respondig to this now. When I wrote to Inter7 and to this list some years ago. Noone of Inter7 was interested in that issue. They are _really_ ignorant to still distribute this image in an open source package maintained by them. As I had contact to the original author of this image (Eric Pearle) it is _clear_ that Inter7 has _no_ licence for this picture. Because this image is under exclusive licencing by getty. And getty does not licence this picture for redistribution. If you ask me: Inter7 is knowingly bringing users of qmailadmin in legal difficulties. And they are also ingorant about that. This is really hurting OS. Regards Dennis Körner --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [mailto:off...@weberhofer.at] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 20:49 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice I think, the image should be replaced in the next release; even when the fee could easily be reduced, it would be good to elimiate that problem. It seems, that Getty works systematically; I have found one German case description: http://www.denniskoerner.de/blog/2010/04/19/arger-mit-getty-images-und-den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin/ (english translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=deie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denniskoerner.de%2Fblog%2F2010%2F04%2F19%2Farger-mit-getty-images-und-den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin%2F ). Best regards Johannes Am 14.01.11 20:02, schrieb Trey Nolen: On 01/14/2011 12:05 PM, Matt Brookings wrote: On 01/14/2011 11:57 AM, Dave Steinberg wrote: I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? The guy who remade the templates way back when had ownership of the image. Gettyimages has some web bot that goes around looking for images they sell. Semi-automated harassment. If you're concerned about the image, open it up, paste white all over it, and be done with it. I'd definitely remove the image and/or substitute it with something else, but the notice that we receive indicates that just removing the image does not absolve our responsibility to pay the fees. Do you have any proof of ownership for the image by the creator of the templates? Do you know who the creator was so that we might could make direct contact? Trey Nolen -- |- | weberhofer GmbH | Johannes Weberhofer | information technologies| Geschäftsführer | Austria, 1080 Wien, Blindengasse 52/3 | | Firmenbuch: 225566s, Handelsgericht Wien | UID: ATU55277701 | | phone : +43 (0)1 5454421 0 | email: off...@weberhofer.at | fax : +43 (0)1 5454421 19 | web : http://www.weberhofer.at | mobile: +43 (0)699 11998315 | |- !DSPAM:4d30bd0632715598312382!
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We have removed the image from our servers, but I would be interested to know your resolution with regards to getty? Did you pay them? Trey Nolen On 01/14/2011 03:15 PM, Dennis Körner wrote: Yes it was me who wrote that blog entry. And I'm surprised that someone of Inter7 is respondig to this now. When I wrote to Inter7 and to this list some years ago. Noone of Inter7 was interested in that issue. They are _really_ ignorant to still distribute this image in an open source package maintained by them. As I had contact to the original author of this image (Eric Pearle) it is _clear_ that Inter7 has _no_ licence for this picture. Because this image is under exclusive licencing by getty. And getty does not licence this picture for redistribution. If you ask me: Inter7 is knowingly bringing users of qmailadmin in legal difficulties. And they are also ingorant about that. This is really hurting OS. Regards Dennis Körner --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [mailto:off...@weberhofer.at] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 20:49 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice I think, the image should be replaced in the next release; even when the fee could easily be reduced, it would be good to elimiate that problem. It seems, that Getty works systematically; I have found one German case description: http://www.denniskoerner.de/blog/2010/04/19/arger-mit-getty-images-und-den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin/ (english translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=deie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denniskoerner.de%2Fblog%2F2010%2F04%2F19%2Farger-mit-getty-images-und-den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin%2F ). Best regards Johannes Am 14.01.11 20:02, schrieb Trey Nolen: On 01/14/2011 12:05 PM, Matt Brookings wrote: On 01/14/2011 11:57 AM, Dave Steinberg wrote: I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? The guy who remade the templates way back when had ownership of the image. Gettyimages has some web bot that goes around looking for images they sell. Semi-automated harassment. If you're concerned about the image, open it up, paste white all over it, and be done with it. I'd definitely remove the image and/or substitute it with something else, but the notice that we receive indicates that just removing the image does not absolve our responsibility to pay the fees. Do you have any proof of ownership for the image by the creator of the templates? Do you know who the creator was so that we might could make direct contact? Trey Nolen !DSPAM:4d30bd9d32711135820217!
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 03:15 PM, Dennis Körner wrote: Yes it was me who wrote that blog entry. And I'm surprised that someone of Inter7 is respondig to this now. When I wrote to Inter7 and to this list some years ago. Noone of Inter7 was interested in that issue. They are _really_ ignorant to still distribute this image in an open source package maintained by them. As I had contact to the original author of this image (Eric Pearle) it is _clear_ that Inter7 has _no_ licence for this picture. Because this image is under exclusive licencing by getty. And getty does not licence this picture for redistribution. If you ask me: Inter7 is knowingly bringing users of qmailadmin in legal difficulties. And they are also ingorant about that. This is really hurting OS. We have not knowingly distributed any copyrighted material without license. Currently, it is our understanding that the image was added to the qmailadmin login template by someone who held a license to use the image. We will be looking into this. My own personal advise would be to blank the image on your personal qmailadmin login page until we have verified whether or not the image will be removed from the package. Thanks! - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0wvsgACgkQIwet2/rgZyyjeQCgjWRub3tIUDeCp9HbwtcmP4Oj fgUAnjgvXGZ1/3HUW+rGAcOUgxhCQ3ek =eldq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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I looked on their normal pricing for using that picture in the web und doubled that fee as fine. In Germany they normally take 35 Euro. So I gave them 70 Euro. After that they were satisfied. But I also wrote them (through my lawyer). --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Dennis Körner Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Trey Nolen [mailto:supp...@internetpro.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 22:18 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: Re: AW: [qmailadmin] copyright notice We have removed the image from our servers, but I would be interested to know your resolution with regards to getty? Did you pay them? Trey Nolen On 01/14/2011 03:15 PM, Dennis Körner wrote: Yes it was me who wrote that blog entry. And I'm surprised that someone of Inter7 is respondig to this now. When I wrote to Inter7 and to this list some years ago. Noone of Inter7 was interested in that issue. They are _really_ ignorant to still distribute this image in an open source package maintained by them. As I had contact to the original author of this image (Eric Pearle) it is _clear_ that Inter7 has _no_ licence for this picture. Because this image is under exclusive licencing by getty. And getty does not licence this picture for redistribution. If you ask me: Inter7 is knowingly bringing users of qmailadmin in legal difficulties. And they are also ingorant about that. This is really hurting OS. Regards Dennis Körner --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Johannes Weberhofer, Weberhofer GmbH [mailto:off...@weberhofer.at] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 20:49 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: Re: [qmailadmin] copyright notice I think, the image should be replaced in the next release; even when the fee could easily be reduced, it would be good to elimiate that problem. It seems, that Getty works systematically; I have found one German case description: http://www.denniskoerner.de/blog/2010/04/19/arger-mit-getty-images-und -den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin/ (english translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=deie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denniskoerner.de%2Fblog%2F2010%2F04%2F19%2Farger-mit-getty-images-und-den-waldorf-anwalten-wegen-qmailadmin%2F ). Best regards Johannes Am 14.01.11 20:02, schrieb Trey Nolen: On 01/14/2011 12:05 PM, Matt Brookings wrote: On 01/14/2011 11:57 AM, Dave Steinberg wrote: I'm not sure I'd be comfortable ignoring the unauthorized use notice. I'd be the one getting fined and dealing with the hassle, not inter7. Do you guys have copyright over the image or is it licensed appropriately from the copyright holder? The guy who remade the templates way back when had ownership of the image. Gettyimages has some web bot that goes around looking for images they sell. Semi-automated harassment. If you're concerned about the image, open it up, paste white all over it, and be done with it. I'd definitely remove the image and/or substitute it with something else, but the notice that we receive indicates that just removing the image does not absolve our responsibility to pay the fees. Do you have any proof of ownership for the image by the creator of the templates? Do you know who the creator was so that we might could make direct contact? Trey Nolen !DSPAM:4d30bf0032711372221071!
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Hi Matt, I wrote two mails to your company in 2008 (qmailadmin@inter7.com and k...@inter7.com) and got _no_ response about that. So your company should have known about that. I also talked to Gabriel Ambühl from Switzerland. He thought that picture came from Inter7. Here are copies of these Mails: --- 2008-11-05 14:30 CET qmailadmin@inter7.com Hello! Yesterday I got a letter from getty images, UK. They told me I am using an image from their database without having paid for it and I have to pay 1250 Euros now for that and remove the image. I was really shure not having used any images not taken by myself or not being bundled with any software I installed. So I read on to see which image they point at. It was the image shown at the login-screen of qmailadmin, which still was the original image that came with that package! That little postbox with the flying 'E' (http://mail.inter7.com/cgi-bin/qmailadmin). I'm a little bit confused now. Does anyone still have that image online or know, if it was licenced to Inter7? Thank You Dennis --- And on 2008-11-27 23:30 CET k...@inter7.com Hello Ken, a few days ago I wrote on the qmailadmin-mailinglist that getty sent me an invoice over 1200 Euros (ca. 1500 US-$) because I used one of their images (the mailbox-image at the qmailadmin-Loginscreen) an my website. But I think noone takes this serious. Do you know if there exists a legal license for that image from getty for the qmailadmin-project? Or do you know who put this image in the project? In the changelog is nothing about that. If getty sues me in germany it would be very important for me to know who put this image in the project and if he had the proper license from getty to do this. If this were the case i could save a lot of money. Thank you for your help! Dennis Körner -- --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Matt Brookings [mailto:m...@inter7.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 22:23 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: Re: AW: [qmailadmin] copyright notice -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 03:15 PM, Dennis Körner wrote: Yes it was me who wrote that blog entry. And I'm surprised that someone of Inter7 is respondig to this now. When I wrote to Inter7 and to this list some years ago. Noone of Inter7 was interested in that issue. They are _really_ ignorant to still distribute this image in an open source package maintained by them. As I had contact to the original author of this image (Eric Pearle) it is _clear_ that Inter7 has _no_ licence for this picture. Because this image is under exclusive licencing by getty. And getty does not licence this picture for redistribution. If you ask me: Inter7 is knowingly bringing users of qmailadmin in legal difficulties. And they are also ingorant about that. This is really hurting OS. We have not knowingly distributed any copyrighted material without license. Currently, it is our understanding that the image was added to the qmailadmin login template by someone who held a license to use the image. We will be looking into this. My own personal advise would be to blank the image on your personal qmailadmin login page until we have verified whether or not the image will be removed from the package. Thanks! - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0wvsgACgkQIwet2/rgZyyjeQCgjWRub3tIUDeCp9HbwtcmP4Oj fgUAnjgvXGZ1/3HUW+rGAcOUgxhCQ3ek =eldq -END PGP SIGNATURE- !DSPAM:4d30c10532711395415866!
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/2011 03:32 PM, Dennis Körner wrote: Hi Matt, I wrote two mails to your company in 2008 (qmailadmin@inter7.com and k...@inter7.com) and got _no_ response about that. So your company should have known about that. I also talked to Gabriel Ambühl from Switzerland. He thought that picture came from Inter7. Sorry, this was not brought to my attention. Inter7 is not the source of this image. It was added by a contributor. - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0wwuEACgkQIwet2/rgZyyKygCggeRv49E7ZGwh9EPl81c1+PFQ TgUAoIvzvE9WWUXdQWerqpB+sB+248py =pfwk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[qmailadmin] qmailadmin 1.2.15 on SourceForge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 qmailadmin v1.2.15 is available on SourceForge. The change updates the login screen background to be solid white. Alternatively, you may 'wget http://mail.inter7.com/images/qmailadmin/middleleft1.png' to manually update your existing installation. Thanks! - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0ww1kACgkQIwet2/rgZyz/dACfa3oFUxgkIw2hmVKDse2f0rz6 OgsAnjEpNE45dLa62PcForavf716GBfR =lzvR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Thanks for the quick response. That's exactly what I did on my local installation. Good to know that this is fixed. --- Netzwerge Hamburg e.K. Wandsbeker Zollstraße 13 22041 Hamburg Tel.: 0 40 - 20 00 35 62 Fax: 0 40 - 20 00 35 61 i...@netzwerge.de www.netzwerge.de Amtsgericht Hamburg, HRA 104698 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Matt Brookings [mailto:m...@inter7.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Januar 2011 22:43 An: qmailadmin@inter7.com Betreff: [qmailadmin] qmailadmin 1.2.15 on SourceForge -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 qmailadmin v1.2.15 is available on SourceForge. The change updates the login screen background to be solid white. Alternatively, you may 'wget http://mail.inter7.com/images/qmailadmin/middleleft1.png' to manually update your existing installation. Thanks! - -- /* Matt Brookings m...@inter7.com GnuPG Key FAE0672C Software developer Systems technician Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc. (815)776-9465 */ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0ww1kACgkQIwet2/rgZyz/dACfa3oFUxgkIw2hmVKDse2f0rz6 OgsAnjEpNE45dLa62PcForavf716GBfR =lzvR -END PGP SIGNATURE- !DSPAM:4d30c42132712114213511!
