date:20080102

QMT-ISO 1.4.0 has been released and is now ready for download.  It's 
available at http://qmtiso.com

Here's the latest changelog:

version 1.4.0 - 01/01/2008
   Updated all packages to CentOS 4.6
   Added 'iftop' utility - it's what top is for CPUs, only
for network interfaces
   Removed watchall and cwatchall, since they're now provided
in QTPlus. You will need to install from qtp-menu.
   Added QTPlus repository to installation, and we now install
the package from there
   Removed checkin script (defunct). Removed other scripts that
are now included with QTPlus (redundant)
   Added a version marker in /etc (/etc/QMTISO-version) to be
used in the future



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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

Seeing you updating packages to CentOS brings up a question I've been wondering 
about...

I'm running QMT on Fedora 6 and everything is fine.  I know the install 
instructions/scripts are essentially the same for Fed6 and CentOS.  Since I'm 
pretty new to the linux world, what is the difference between Fed6 and CentOS?  
Under the covers they are the same I guess but is CentOS more streamlined as a 
server?  Is it worth considering a changeover? 

I don't mean to start any big chocolate vs. vanilla debate.

Phil


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Subject: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

 QMT-ISO 1.4.0 has been released and is now ready for download.  It's 
 available at http://qmtiso.com
 Here's the latest changelog:
 
 version 1.4.0 - 01/01/2008
 Updated all packages to CentOS 4.6
 Added 'iftop' utility - it's what top is for CPUs, only
   for network interfaces
 Removed watchall and cwatchall, since they're now provided
   in QTPlus. You will need to install from qtp-menu.
 Added QTPlus repository to installation, and we now install
   the package from there
 Removed checkin script (defunct). Removed other scripts that
   are now included with QTPlus (redundant)
 Added a version marker in /etc (/etc/QMTISO-version) to be
   used in the future
 
 
 
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Phil Leinhauser wrote:

Seeing you updating packages to CentOS brings up a question I've been wondering 
about...

I'm running QMT on Fedora 6 and everything is fine.  I know the install instructions/scripts are essentially the same for Fed6 and CentOS.  Since I'm pretty new to the linux world, what is the difference between Fed6 and CentOS?  Under the covers they are the same I guess but is CentOS more streamlined as a server?  Is it worth considering a changeover? 


I don't mean to start any big chocolate vs. vanilla debate.
  


Its actually rather easy.  CentOS is a clone of RHEL (RedHat Enterprise 
Linux), which is all the stable packages from Fedora.  Once a package is 
stable and has all the bugs fixed in Fedora (usually a year or so), then 
it gets moved to RHEL (and subsequently CentOS).  You also get updates 
longer with CentOS, since it's a mirror of RHEL.  Fedora has support for 
2-3 years (if I remember right), whereas RHEL/CentOS usually keep 
updating packages for 5-10 years. If a major problem arises with my FC4 
installation that I still run, I'm out of luck or have to fix it myself 
since support for FC4 has ended.  RHEL4/CentOS4 is supposed to have 
updates until Feb 29, 2012.

Does that answer it for you?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

Since I installed using 1.3.1, is there an upgrade path? It would be cool to
pop the CD in and have an upgrade option. I'm guessing that would be very
complicated so it's just a wish :).

Mike


On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:37:05 -0500, Jake Vickers wrote:
 QMT-ISO 1.4.0 has been released and is now ready for download.  It's

 available at http://qmtiso.com
 Here's the latest changelog:

 version 1.4.0 - 01/01/2008
 Updated all packages to CentOS 4.6
 Added 'iftop' utility - it's what top is for CPUs, only
 for network interfaces
 Removed watchall and cwatchall, since they're now provided
 in QTPlus. You will need to install from qtp-menu.
 Added QTPlus repository to installation, and we now install
 the package from there
 Removed checkin script (defunct). Removed other scripts that
 are now included with QTPlus (redundant)
 Added a version marker in /etc (/etc/QMTISO-version) to be
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Thanks Jake,

That covers it exactly.  The FC6 I have is no different than what CentOS will 
be in a version or 2 and there is no compelling reason to move over to it.

I thought it might be something like that but you just filled in the gaps.

Thanks,
Phil


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From: Jake Vickers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:28:38 -0500
To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com
Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

 Phil Leinhauser wrote:
  Seeing you updating packages to CentOS brings up a question I've been 
  wondering about...
 
  I'm running QMT on Fedora 6 and everything is fine.  I know the install 
  instructions/scripts are essentially the same for Fed6 and CentOS.  Since 
  I'm pretty new to the linux world, what is the difference between Fed6 and 
  CentOS?  Under the covers they are the same I guess but is CentOS more 
  streamlined as a server?  Is it worth considering a changeover? 
 
  I don't mean to start any big chocolate vs. vanilla debate.

 
 Its actually rather easy.  CentOS is a clone of RHEL (RedHat Enterprise 
 Linux), which is all the stable packages from Fedora.  Once a package is 
 stable and has all the bugs fixed in Fedora (usually a year or so), then 
 it gets moved to RHEL (and subsequently CentOS).  You also get updates 
 longer with CentOS, since it's a mirror of RHEL.  Fedora has support for 
 2-3 years (if I remember right), whereas RHEL/CentOS usually keep 
 updating packages for 5-10 years. If a major problem arises with my FC4 
 installation that I still run, I'm out of luck or have to fix it myself 
 since support for FC4 has ended.  RHEL4/CentOS4 is supposed to have 
 updates until Feb 29, 2012.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I installed using 1.3.1, is there an upgrade path? It would be cool to 
pop the CD in and have an upgrade option. I'm guessing that would be very 
complicated so it's just a wish :).


  


It's something I'm thinking about doing, but due to the amount of work 
involved would probably not be in the freebie bin (ie: a subscription 
service). It's hard to take time away from my own business to work on 
projects such as this (I work on several other OSS projects as well).  
If it did come to light, it would be a yum update to update all the 
features, and packages.
Right now suggestions are best. I do not get many any more (even 
far-fetched ones), so I don't know what everyone is looking for. I add 
what I find useful, but that may not be what you find useful.


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Phil Leinhauser wrote:

Thanks Jake,

That covers it exactly.  The FC6 I have is no different than what CentOS will 
be in a version or 2 and there is no compelling reason to move over to it.

I thought it might be something like that but you just filled in the gaps.

  


No problem.  There are a few other minor differences - the kernel is 
optimized for a server environment, whereas Fedora is targeted at a 
desktop, but there's not enough of a difference to note that I can think 
of; the Fedora kernel may be larger due to more hardware drivers being 
included.
The only other real difference is the support paths. You're FC6 install 
is scheduled to stop receiving updates on December 7th, 2007 (it's 
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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

 It's something I'm thinking about doing, but due to the amount of work
 involved would probably not be in the freebie bin (ie: a subscription

I think folks understand that and would be willing to pay a reasonable fee.

 Right now suggestions are best. I do not get many any more (even
 far-fetched ones), so I don't know what everyone is looking for. I add
 what I find useful, but that may not be what you find useful.

Hmm, how about a version which has spf and domainkeys fully activated with
email making it to yahoo and hotmail right out of the box? :). I've had
countless people help me with this, have yet to figure it out, weird eh?

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Hmm, how about a version which has spf and domainkeys fully activated with 
email making it to yahoo and hotmail right out of the box? :). I've had 
countless people help me with this, have yet to figure it out, weird eh?


  


I may take a crack at that; I've set up several machines recently and 
have not had any issue sending to Yahoo or Hotmail (even though I'm not 
using DK), so it may be an outside factor.


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 I may take a crack at that; I've set up several machines recently and
 have not had any issue sending to Yahoo or Hotmail (even though I'm not
 using DK), so it may be an outside factor.

I've wondered about that also and took a close look at my watchguard firewall
thinking it might be that. I changed the SMTP filter to a standard filter (non
proxy in any way) to make sure that nothing was being filtered that I was not
aware of. Didn't make any difference. You're welcome to use me as your test
bed if you'd like another system to take a kick at :).

I'm running a couple of your QMT 1.3.1's, both have the problem which means
you're probably right, something about the network and not QMT.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

2008-01-02 Thread Lucian Cristian


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I may take a crack at that; I've set up several machines recently and
have not had any issue sending to Yahoo or Hotmail (even though I'm not
using DK), so it may be an outside factor.



I've wondered about that also and took a close look at my watchguard firewall 
thinking it might be that. I changed the SMTP filter to a standard filter (non 
proxy in any way) to make sure that nothing was being filtered that I was not 
aware of. Didn't make any difference. You're welcome to use me as your test 
bed if you'd like another system to take a kick at :).


I'm running a couple of your QMT 1.3.1's, both have the problem which means 
you're probably right, something about the network and not QMT.


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I don't have spf and dk on all toasters and at start yahoo would set it 
as bulk mail and hotmail would not show the mails, after sending a mail 
from hotmail to the new domain and make a reply to that mail, the mails 
started to appear


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

Yea Mike, I'm not sure why Yahoo and Hotmail don't like you.  That is really 
strange.  I have 2 different post offices I run, one is the QMT and the other 
is Merak.  They both aren't having any problems sending to Yahoo or Hotmail.  
It's not to say I never had any problems though.  Those and AOL want your DNS 
clean, your IPs static and all kinds of other things.  The other week when you 
and I spent a few hours playing, it seemed like all of that was fine.  I think 
I even ran your IP through the RBLs and they came back clean. 

Is it possible you were listed by Yahoo at one time for spamming?  I'm pretty 
certain your problem has nothing to do with QMT itself.  Too many people are 
running QMT without this problem.

All of that being said, Jake, if you're bored and looking for something to poke 
at, DomainKeys working glitch free would be very cool!  DKIM would be a bonus!! 
 

hehe, spare time...  Yea, right...  lol!

Phil


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Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

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  Hmm, how about a version which has spf and domainkeys fully activated with 
  email making it to yahoo and hotmail right out of the box? :). I've had 
  countless people help me with this, have yet to figure it out, weird eh?
 

 
 I may take a crack at that; I've set up several machines recently and 
 have not had any issue sending to Yahoo or Hotmail (even though I'm not 
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 I don't have spf and dk on all toasters and at start yahoo would set it
 as bulk mail and hotmail would not show the mails, after sending a mail
 from hotmail to the new domain and make a reply to that mail, the mails
 started to appear

First, was that just for one account on both sites or did that work for any
from that point on?

Second, we tried that too and it still never worked. Email to hotmail still
never shows up or goes to bulk and yahoo, always deferred.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

2008-01-02 Thread Lucian Cristian


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't have spf and dk on all toasters and at start yahoo would set it
as bulk mail and hotmail would not show the mails, after sending a mail
from hotmail to the new domain and make a reply to that mail, the mails
started to appear



First, was that just for one account on both sites or did that work for any 
from that point on?


Second, we tried that too and it still never worked. Email to hotmail still 
never shows up or goes to bulk and yahoo, always deferred.


Mike



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not from the first mail, after several testing to different accounts 
(not spam tagging)


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Re: [qmailtoaster] problem migrating domain from old qmail to toaster

2008-01-02 Thread Eric Shubes

I think scripts to do this sort of thing have been posted to the list in the
past. Check the archives.

Peter Peltonen wrote:
 But I guess there is no way to import automatically an user list from
 the old server to the new server and use a script to create these user
 accounts?
 
 Peter
 
 On Dec 30, 2007 10:55 PM, Erik A. Espinoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looks like you have to import users first before doing the rsync to
 the new one. As the QmailToaster vpopmail uses mysql for a database.

 Erik


 On Dec 30, 2007 7:34 AM, Peter Peltonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got a domain in a different server running an old standard qmail
 installation without mysql support.

 I've done the migration in the following way:

 1. created the domain with vaddomain in the new server
 2. rsynced the vpopmail dir from old server to the new one
 3. chowned vpopmail dir to vpopmail.vchkpw recursively
 4. ran dotqmail2valias

 I see the old server's forwards and mailing lists now fine in
 qmailadmin, but I do not see actual mailboxes. Should I create them in
 qmailadmin and after that rsync the maildirs or is there an easier
 way?

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Testers needed to qtp-newmodel

WOW cool!  A faster sandbox would be great.  I like your note about go get a 
cup of coffee when I run yours now.  I have to laugh every time I see it.  It 
runs more like go eat dinner on mine.  

That's in no way a shot at you at all Jake.  I may not understand Linux all 
that well but I do understand the safeties you are building into the newmodel 
and I would gladly wait 2x that long so I don't have a corrupt build.  I just 
found your humor well placed.

I would like to help but I'm not sure I would be able to give you any good 
feedback.

Phil


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Subject: [qmailtoaster] Testers needed to qtp-newmodel

 Justice London (about a month ago) sent me a new qtp-newmodel script 
 that utilizes unioning filesystem to create the sandbox in ~15 seconds 
 versus the current linking (or copying) methods.  I need some testers 
 for this!
 If you are interested and can provide some feedback during the test, 
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Phil Leinhauser wrote:
WOW cool! A faster sandbox would be great. I like your note about go get a cup of coffee when I run yours now. I have to laugh every time I see it. It runs more like go eat dinner on mine.

That's in no way a shot at you at all Jake. I may not understand Linux all
that well but I do understand the safeties you are building into the newmodel
and I would gladly wait 2x that long so I don't have a corrupt build. I just
found your humor well placed.

I would like to help but I'm not sure I would be able to give you any good
feedback.

I don't take offense, don't worry. There's a wide range of cultures on
here (and in the other OSS projects I work on) that are, well, just
blunt compared to what I'm used to. If you don't like my stuff, stop
downloading it. Easy enough, right?
And I know what you mean about being slow - my devel machines have all
been reallocated to new tasks for one reason or another, so I'm stuck
building everything on a P3-500Mhz and a P3-700Mhz that I have to share
256M of RAM between. Even my desktop is out in the living room right
now acting as a MythTV box until I fix my other one so I can't even run
VMWare.
Most of the humor in tahat script was thanks to Eric 'Shubes'. He also
did the work putting together the newmodel script. He got really busy
with work so I took control back of the QTP project and try and keep up
with the bugs as they come in. You'll see my signature sarcasm scattered
throughout things though. Got to keep it interesting for everyone
involved. Someday I'll post my list of HELO and SMTP greetings I've
collected in log files (highlights: Gimme all your lovin It was good
for me, was it good for you Thanks for the fish and so on)

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RE: [qmailtoaster] Testers needed to qtp-newmodel

That's the fun part about all of this.  You have to throw some humor in to
breakup the dryness.  I try to name customer's machines with some
imagination rather than just FS1.  I've used Disney, Bugs Bunny, all kinds
of names.  Some people just take it too seriously.  Of course, I've been in
it long enough to know not to take any of it that serious or it's time to
get out.

Jake I know you hear it from time to time but I'll throw mine in too.
Thanks!!  It really is great to have folks like you dedicated to lending a
hand without putting a hand out all the time.  That's what it's all about.

Like I said, I'm a Linux noob but am fairly high in the Windows food chain.
I might not be much help for the Linux crowd but I can help those needing it
for Windows, general mail, DNS, VMware (all flavors) and am playing with
iSCSI SAN.  I think Mike ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) can attest to the DNS part.
I spent a few hours working with him a few weeks ago explaining DNS and
mail.

Phil






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Phil Leinhauser wrote:
 WOW cool!  A faster sandbox would be great.  I like your note about go
get a cup of coffee when I run yours now.  I have to laugh every time I see
it.  It runs more like go eat dinner on mine.  

 That's in no way a shot at you at all Jake.  I may not understand Linux
all that well but I do understand the safeties you are building into the
newmodel and I would gladly wait 2x that long so I don't have a corrupt
build.  I just found your humor well placed.

 I would like to help but I'm not sure I would be able to give you any good
feedback.

   

I don't take offense, don't worry.  There's a wide range of cultures on 
here (and in the other OSS projects I work on) that are, well, just 
blunt compared to what I'm used to. If you don't like my stuff, stop 
downloading it. Easy enough, right?
And I know what you mean about being slow - my devel machines have all 
been reallocated to new tasks for one reason or another, so I'm stuck 
building everything on a P3-500Mhz and a P3-700Mhz that I have to share 
256M of RAM between.  Even my desktop is out in the living room right 
now acting as a MythTV box until I fix my other one so I can't even run 
VMWare.
Most of the humor in tahat script was thanks to Eric 'Shubes'. He also 
did the work putting together the newmodel script. He got really busy 
with work so I took control back of the QTP project and try and keep up 
with the bugs as they come in. You'll see my signature sarcasm scattered 
throughout things though. Got to keep it interesting for everyone 
involved.  Someday I'll post my list of HELO and SMTP greetings I've 
collected in log files (highlights: Gimme all your lovin  It was good 
for me, was it good for you Thanks for the fish and so on)


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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

 Yea Mike, I'm not sure why Yahoo and Hotmail don't like you.  That is
 really strange.  I have 2 different post offices I run, one is the QMT and

Something with the firewall then as we've been mulling around. I don't see
much else and it's one of those things where you look at it too long, you'll
see nothing new or obvious.

 Is it possible you were listed by Yahoo at one time for spamming?  I'm
 pretty certain your problem has nothing to do with QMT itself.  Too many
 people are running QMT without this problem.

Kind of doubt it, especially since the tests don't show anything like that.
The email just keeps getting deferred, not blocked.

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Re: [qmailtoaster] Testers needed to qtp-newmodel

 building everything on a P3-500Mhz and a P3-700Mhz that I have to share
 256M of RAM between.  Even my desktop is out in the living room right
 now acting as a MythTV box until I fix my other one so I can't even run
 VMWare.

Jake,

Some of my work includes clustered computers so I have all of these blade
servers. Right now, I have several 850Mhz/512MB blades sitting idle. I could
dedicate one (or two) for you if you'd care to remotely access them for your
work.
All you would need is a fixed IP so that I can give you ssh/web/what ever you
need access to if you're interested. These blades run Linux wonderfully,
plenty fast for this type of development.

Mike



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Re: [qmailtoaster] QMT-ISO 1.4.0 is out

2008-01-02 Thread Kyle Quillen

I have this exact same problem and am yet to figure out what it is.
some times it goes to the bulk mail folder sometimes it just gets
deferred back to me and i am no idea what it would be.  

Q



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  Yea Mike, I'm not sure why Yahoo and Hotmail don't like you.  That is
  really strange.  I have 2 different post offices I run, one is the QMT and
 
 Something with the firewall then as we've been mulling around. I don't see 
 much else and it's one of those things where you look at it too long, you'll 
 see nothing new or obvious.
 
  Is it possible you were listed by Yahoo at one time for spamming?  I'm
  pretty certain your problem has nothing to do with QMT itself.  Too many
  people are running QMT without this problem.
 
 Kind of doubt it, especially since the tests don't show anything like that. 
 The email just keeps getting deferred, not blocked.
  
 Mike
 
 
 
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